"He was practically shouting." Exactly how George Pell tried to 'prove' his innocence in court.

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Yesterday, Australia’s highest-ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was found guilty of child sex abuse.

Pell, who is the most senior Catholic figure to be charged with child sex offences, was found guilty of raping a choirboy in the 1990s and molesting another.

A jury of eight men and four women took three and a half days to find Pell guilty of five charges – one of sexually penetrating a child and four of committing indecent acts with children.

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Pell’s accuser told the court that he struggled for years to understand what’d he experienced at the hands of the then-archbishop.

“I had no intention back then of telling anyone ever,” he told the trial.

“I was young and I didn’t really know what had happened to me. I was worried about anything that could jeopardise my schooling.”

Pell’s other victim was not present at the trial. He died of a heroin overdose back in 2014.

Investigative journalist Lucie Morris-Marr, a reporter for The New Daily, was the first journalist to break the story in 2016.

Morris-Marr was in court yesterday morning and she was there the day Pell’s verdict was handed down in December, while the Australian media was under a suppression order.


Watch: The moment George Pell faced the public after it was revealed for the first time he was convicted of child sex abuse. Post continues after video.

Now, Morris-Marr has spoken on Mamamia’s new daily news podcast The Quicky about what’s expected to come next in the historic case.

“Today is the day where he will be taken likely to the Melbourne assessment prison which is in the centre of Melbourne and housing very serious high-profile killers and he will be alongside them, probably in a protection wing,” she continued.

“The sentence has been speculated to be between 10 and 14 years – something around that mark.”

As for the Pope’s response to Pell’s charge, Morris-Marr explained that it’s unlikely we’ll hear anything from the head of the Catholic Church until the end of the appeal process.

Cardinal Pell is expected to apply for bail this afternoon.

“If Pell loses his appeal, the Pope will come down hard on him as he has demonstrated with other Cardinals recently,” the journalist explained.


“He will be defrocked and removed of all clerical state, which is actually potentially more devastating than jail for someone like Cardinal Pell,” she added. “To have that removed, of the clerical state, which he has devoted his whole life to.”

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Cardinal Pell exits court on Tuesday. Image: Getty.

On the podcast, Morris-Marr also shared how Pell chose to defend himself during the case.


"We were shown a video of his police interview in Rome in 2016 and he put on a very confident display that he was absolutely innocent," she said.

"He described the allegations as lies and fantasies. He said it was an outrage. He was practically shouting."

Interestingly, Pell didn't actually take the stand during the trial.

Instead, he relied on the recorded video.

"The key defence [made by Pell's lawyers] was that it was made up," Morris-Marr added.

"[The defence] didn't even say 'yes, he was there' or 'no, it was misconstrued' or they didn't say 'it could have been another priest'. Literally, the defence was that it was fantasy and lies."

Morris-Marr, who was the first journalist to write about the allegations, was initially met with a lot of backlash.

"It was very difficult at the time and I felt very isolated," she said.

"I was the only journalist to write about the allegations. I was the first journalist to find out that Pell had even potentially done anything himself," she added.

"It's been an interesting journey but you just have to keep going."

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You can read Lucie Morris-Marr’s reporting on the Pell trial on The New Daily

If you have experienced sexual assault and are in need of support, please call 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. Help is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You can also contact Braveheartsfor counselling and support for survivors of sexual abuse on 1800 272 831, Lifeline for 24-hour crisis support and suicide prevention, or, if you’re the partner of a person who has experienced sexual assault, you can contact PartnerSPEAK on (03) 9018 7872 for peer support for non-offending partners.