@cat So true! Fantastic examples of trails blazed so that now we'd be asking *why* someone has 13 kids or *how* and *where* they got smallpox.
@mamamia-user-826403796 I think there is also an understandable reluctance to write stories that place First nations people in a poor light, especially when it comes to family violence.
@cat in the sweep of human history, it is normal to have children. No presupposition about it. A change to a long established norm will simply take a while. Any trailblazer will tell you that blazing the trail is hard. That's why they get a special name, cowboy boots and kudos down the track (once people see how hard it was!)
@cat That was just an example, we don't need to debate the merits of upbringings. If you genuinely see no difference between a snack on the hand and a beating then I don't think there is anything I can type to convince you otherwise. We actually draw "artificial" lines all the time and then test them in court.
@cat I know. But if we assume that violence is gender-based, I think there are some missing dots. The more I think about it, the bigger the missing dots.
@laura__palmer out of interest, I'm wondering what things you do care to debate?
@mamamia-user-482898552 so how do the NZ citizens and residents get home?
@jyutkowi time to please the viewers?
How many "buts" did you count in this story?
@rush sounds like extreme co-dependency.
I had one C/s after two VBs and the C/s was much easier, although obviously neither is exactly great fun. Shortest hospital stay, fastest my milk came in, settled baby because he wasn't hungry (may have been the drugs) and, feeding wasn't made uncomfortable by not being able to sit!
@dilemma wait til they can strap themselves into their booster seats. It'll change your life
@swatters Covering natural waste product in some form is just kind of like the basic decency of flushing the toilet.
@cat I wrote a response but I've no idea what happened to it or whether it's still "pending" so trying to recall what I wrote.
@cat I'm quite up to date on third wave feminism and completely comfortable with my views and more than willing to entertain yours too. Vive la difference! If you find my opinions "ridiculous and kind of irrelevant" perhaps it's best not to ask me for them. I gave you my opinion in good faith, taking your request seriously as coming from a place of interest and desire to understand another viewpoint more thoroughly.
@swatters and it is pretty smelly if left very long.
Never say never.
@cat With the disclaimer that I haven't seen the dance and have zero interest in seeing it, from the reaction/ probable over-reaction I gather it was a sexy kind of dance routine and was performed in skimpy, tight clothing with a camera angle that has been compared to upskirting (although surely that term presumes the presence of a skirt?).
@cat In your comment on my comment you've jumped from assuming my undermined personal credibility to embarrassment. This seems a reasonable summation of how the dancers themselves were feeling given their public actions and statements. I'll leave you to ruminate on the more than one possible reason for that.