As the US struggles with the transition of power between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, there's a First Lady and one in waiting attempting to navigate it all too.
Today The Quicky looks at the role of the wives of Presidents, how it's changed over time, what legacy Melania Trump will leave and whether Dr Jill Biden as the first First Lady to have a full time job outside of the White House, will change the role again.
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Host/Producer: Claire Murphy
Guest Booker: Mel Sauer
Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri
Guests: Kate Andersen Brower, author of First Women: The Grace and Power of America's Modern First Ladies
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