Mother of four Randa Abdel-Fattah sometimes cries at night.

She wrote her 10th novel while completing her PhD, is the mother of four children, and wants to stop Islamophobia in Australia. Lawyer, columnist and human rights advocate Randa Abdel-Fattah is the busy mum who manages it all. But as she tells Holly Wainwright, she won't apologise for that. So how does she manage it all? She surrounds herself with family, she doesn't sleep much, and she accepts that sometimes things will fall apart.  Because changing the world isn't easy.

Show Notes

Your host is Holly Wainwright

With thanks to Randa Abdel-Fattah. Find her latest book here.

This podcast was produced by Elissa Ratliff.

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