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My older sister is in an abusive relationship and she refuses to leave. As a writer, I have tried several times to sit down and get this out of my system, but it’s an extremely painful and frustrating topic to talk about. I didn’t expect it would be a tweet from Brian McFadden that would finally push me to say something.

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Brian McFadden’s tweet

If, as he says, his tweet was about a friend, then I understand Brian’s frustration. There’s nothing worse than seeing someone you care about being abused. Except seeing someone you care about being abused and having them refuse your help.

The way Brian vented his frustration was ignorant and wrong. It demonstrated a complete lack of understanding about what to do when someone you love refuses to leave.

But I think that ignorance is the important message we need to take away from his careless tweet. That is the conversation we need to be having in a public forum: What do you do when they just won’t go?

Recently, during the White Ribbon Day weekend, I read a lot of articles by and about abused women. I read a lot of quotes like: “If someone had offered help, I would have left” or “I came to work with black eyes, and nobody did anything” and “I finally got away when somebody spoke up and helped me”. The message seemed clear: If you see something, do something. And it’s an extremely important message to get out there.

But what if you see something, do something, and that doesn’t work? What then? What comes next? I didn’t come across any articles about what to do in that situation. About what to do if they go back no matter how much help and support you offer them. I’m an intelligent, well-educated and compassionate woman and I’m at a loss. And although I think Brian McFadden was less than eloquent in the way he chose to voice his opinion, it would seem that he is at a loss too. And in that respect, I understand where he was coming from.

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What do you tell someone in an abusive relationship?

My sister’s partner was always verbally and emotionally abusive. He would call her an idiot, stupid, ugly – and that’s just what he was willing to say in front of me. He began to isolate her from her family and friends almost immediately.

Anybody who spoke out against him was a ‘racist’ (he’s Lebanese), or had an agenda to split them up because they were ‘jealous’. Ridiculous reasons, but my sister believed them, and slowly her friends started to drop away. She saw her family less and less. Pleasing him became her number one priority. I constantly spoke out against him and that caused tension between us, so I tried to get along with him as best I could for the sake of her and our relationship.

Then I found out he was beating her. My younger sister called me after my older sister had been in the hospital with broken ribs. He had pushed her to the ground and kicked her repeatedly because she ‘had been rude to him’. My younger sister, who up until this point had been my older sister’s only confidant, told me everything in desperation. I was heartbroken when I found out this wasn’t the first time; this wasn’t even the worst time. He was a monster.

I called him in a fit of rage and tears. I told him he would never go near my sister again. Then I called her and told her that I knew everything, and I was so sorry for what she had been through, but it was okay now because I could help her out of it.

And I’ll never forget what she did next. She yelled at me. How dare I call him and say the things I did? How dare I try to come between them? I was making something out of nothing, he lost his temper, I was a racist, she was rude to him…

What? I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone. I didn’t know what to do so I called my mum and told her. My sister didn’t speak to either of us for six months.

That was five years ago. This year, she married him in secret and is now pregnant with his baby. The same pattern has continued the entire time: She’ll be in contact for a while, but as soon as anything is said or done that brings attention to the fact she’s in an abusive relationship, she cuts that person off. Currently, I’m cut off.

I’ve tried everything. I’ve offered support, love and a shoulder to cry on. But she always ends up back in his arms. I told our relatives in the hope that the whole family offering support would give her the courage and strength (and financial help) to leave. Instead, all I did was isolate her further: she cut them all off and hasn’t spoken to any of them since.

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This is what emotional abuse is like.

My younger sister and mum have managed to keep a relationship with her by doing what she wants: pretending like nothing is going on. But that is something I cannot do. I cannot share a table with the person who beats my sister. I cannot stick my head in the sand. Even though it comes at the expense of our relationship, I just can’t do it.

She knows I’m there for her. She knows I always will be. She also knows that I definitely don’t think that what is happening to her is okay. I understand that my mum and sister just want to see her, but my worst fear is that some time in the future, if she ever escapes, she’ll look back and think “How could they all just sit with him and eat with him and laugh with him, when they knew he was beating me?”

I want to make sure she never has a reason to think that. That when she looks back she can see that there was always one person who refused to pretend like nothing was happening. One person who always stood up for her.

Because sometimes she comes out of her fog and admits she doesn’t love him, but doesn’t know how to leave. Granted, a few days later she’ll be telling me that I don’t understand what it’s like to be with a real man; that real men get angry and show it with their fists; that she can be a bitch and provokes him… But for that brief moment, she’s out of the fog and she’s there. My sister, who I shared baths with, who I waited up on Christmas Eve with, who taught me to shave my legs and helped me when I got my first period – she’s in there, somewhere.

And I’ll be waiting for her if she’s ever ready to leave. Because waiting is all I have left.

I just don’t know what else to do. I’m defeated.

So I think it’s important we think about what motivated Brian McFadden to write that tweet. Insensitive? Absolutely. But I’ve been in that place. That place of complete and utter frustration at the lack of understanding I have for what’s going through my sister’s head. It’s made me furious with her. It’s made me cry for her. It’s confused and bewildered me. It’s left me desperate. Would I have written that tweet? Not today. But the first time she called me a bitch for trying to make her leave, I might have. Because the first time that happens, it’s a massive shock. Nobody prepares you for how to deal with that, and I can understand any kind of reaction that arises in that situation, even the angry kind.

Because when it comes to the complex issue of dealing with a woman who refuses our help, how are we supposed to know what to do? I’ve read so many heartbreaking and brave stories about the women who’ve gotten out and those who have helped them, but I rarely read about the others. The women who just won’t leave. What do we do about them?

Until we start having that conversation, there are going to be people like Brian McFadden; people who are confused and furious at those women. And I know how that feels. You would think that after five years I would have some insight into what can be done. Unfortunately, I don’t. After five years, I’m just as confused. I’ve just replaced being furious with being sad.

The author of this post is a Mamamia reader who has chosen to remain anonymous.

Have you or someone you know been in an abusive relationship? Did you leave? What gave you the courage to do so? What did you do?

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97 Comments so far

  1. freedom131112

    Afer 15 years of marriage, 2 high risk pregnancies resulting in 2 precious girls, I left. My parents and my brother supported and still support me. I feel better then ever. Peace that girls and I found is amazing! 15 years of being with someone who has no love, respect, compassion was plenty for me to try and understand that there is no chance to live a normal life.
    Go girl! They will never get better as they will never change. It is not possible.

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  2. pastelprincess

    I am shaking and sobbing reading this. I have always been so fun, strong and bubbly, now i feel dull and even think im crazy. My bf also says everyone is jealous of us and to look at anyone is flirting. Im scared to go shopping with him in case a man talks to me or i do something wrong. I left my husband of 15 years because he was so distant, never gave me sex or attention for the “love of my life” who is filled with passion!!! Now, 13 months on i realise im in a terrible emotionally abusive relationship. I have tried leaving so many times but he cries and begs and i am always in hope he will change. He makes me bend over to make sure you cant see my bra before i leave home, he tells me i look at every man for attention. He called me a whore for licking my lips at a fundraising movie night i organised for my deceased friends babies. He has even told me my relationships with my teen sons are inappropiate! I know i am weak! He has no job ( he has cfs), no car, no family. He will pick me flowers and write me love notes and i think maybe its better now….Im losing my friends respect. I finally left today and told him he is abusive and now he is threatening me that i will be stopped if i think that and its me cos im a greedy attentionseeking girl. Im scared i will go back, he tells me im the abusive one (i have lashed out back), that he is a sweet bf, that i need help, that i crave mens attention cos i was sexually abused…. What do i do??? Do i just ignore his texts??

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    • Guest

      Pastelprincess, firstly – I cannot praise you highly enough for taking this step – it’s so difficult and people don’t understand how tough it is for you to do what you’ve done and make that break … but you did it. And you know what? You’ll be able to keep going without him! You’ll be amazed at how things fall into place, what resources are there to help you and how many people will be willing to reach out and help now that you’ve chosen to go. You’ll be fine – great in fact! You won’t know yourself and you’ll be amazed at how empowered you feel being away from this monster. And make no mistake – that’s just what he is – a monster. But you MUST cut off contact. Change your number if you have to, block him from Facebook, tell mutual friends not to pass messages, change jobs if that’s what it comes down to. You need to make a clean break from this person because. like most abusers, he is predatory … he’ll try every trick in the book to get you back under his thumb – insults, threats, scaring you, then onto cajoling and being prince-charming, back to nasty and it’ll go round and around until you either cut it off for good or you go back … and if you do, he’ll be prince charming himself for months and months – but the cycle will start again – guaranteed! The only exception is if he proactively seeks help – and I don’t mean one counselling session and a miraculous epiphany that he needs to change … I mean months and months of intensive counselling and work on himself. But that’s not for you to worry about. All you need to do is concentrate on yourself for now, enjoy your freedom and get as much help as you can (talk to Centrelink, your local domestic violence officer at your local police station, a domestic violence helpline – all good starting points). Best of luck and congrats on making the first step back into a healthy, happy life!

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  3. Annon.

    Every time your sister is hit, make an anonymous call to welfare – perhaps the though of losing her kid might be enough to get her out?

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  4. sauce

    I can completely see what you’re saying. It must be heart wrenching for you. You seem like a great sister. All I can say though, is I want to leave my abusive relationship. Every. single. day. I want to. He ignores me for weeks on end (months this time) glares at me, keeps me awake at night tapping the bed like he is ‘thinking about what to do with me’, calls me all the names under the sun, throws me out of the house weekly only to demand I come back, ignores me and manipulates me for not having sex (I don’t trust him anymore. I actually can’t stand him anymore), tells me I am ugly and fat, and useless in bed, not as great as his pornstars. Sets me up for failure by taking me out and being nice (after weeks of non stop abuse) then when I don’t have sex he treats me like rubbish again.

    Why don’t I leave? One simple reason. If I leave where he will not find me I am scared that he will turn on my family and hurt them to spite me. That’s my only reason now. I actually think I hate him (not in a way that I want him to be hurt, but just I want him out of my life). I wouldn’t even winge about him or think he is a bad person (though I think he must be) I just want him gone. So I can live happily and fear free.

    I can totally see it from your point though….I know I am hurting my mum by staying. I just prefer my mum alive. I love her so much and hate hurting her. I wishe I could carry her away with me (she has also been abused a lot).

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    • Hayley

      Go see the police, take your mum to!! Sort out avo’s, tell the your fears and find somewhere safe to hide out for a while. Put your family on alart and let them know to call the police straight away and don’t try to reason with him.

      Because you are so scared of him, I wonder if you are projecting fear on to your family and how dangerous he is/isn’t is warped … Don’t forget he’s a piece of crap, most likely when he sees you have your family and he’s out numbered he will back down.

      He’s sneaky and a low life, you and your family can beat that!!!

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  5. Guest

    To join on to my earlier post, that’s why i think prevention is an avenue that’s worth exploring. once someone is already in an abusive relationship, escape is difficult and dangerous. Perhaps more knowledge of the warning signs as abusive people tend to exhibit the same sorts of ‘quirks’ in the beginning like love bombing (so they get you in their thrall quicker and faster), making unsolicited criticisms about people close to you (the beginnings of social isolation), always wanting to know where you are because he/she ‘misses’ you and many others. It may not work on everyone and may result in discarding someone who didn’t deserve it but it may also save some precious lives

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  6. Guest

    Simplistic comments like Brian McFadden’s are understandable but infuriating. It’s much easier to understand it if you’ve lived it, as i have. It’s not as easy as making a decision to leave and then actually leaving. It’s not as if when you tell your abusive partner you are going to leave, they halt mid-punch and go “Oh well it was nice knowing you, off you go then and have a great life!” No. They will stalk you. They will threaten to kill themselves/you/your children (even mutual ones)/your parents/your friends and to a more ‘trivial’ extent ruin your employment, release sex videos they apparently made in secret, etc. And having seen what this person is capable of, you believe them. Especially when your children’s lives are at stake.

    People like this know how to adapt. I managed to retain my self esteem, full control of my finances and my relationships with other people. So he escalated by threatening precious lives. And the police have limited power without solid proof (and even then… ) Leave him? Not that simple

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  7. Lisa-Jane

    I spent 20 years in an abusive marriage, it took mountains of courage to get out. Friends and family would offer help but I was always scared, very scared of what may happen to my three kids. Now that I am out we are broke but happy and safe.
    It is easy to look from the outside and question why people don’t get out, as a survivor it was ultimately up to me, I planned it for a while because it is not somethingyou can do in a moment of terror. Through counselling, supportive GP, friends and family I got me and the kids out and was so terrified of the repercussions for the first 12 months but now I am okay.
    Violence whether physical of emotional is real and very prevalent and very very damaging. I hope to one day help other sufferers but do not find myself strong enough to do it at this point.
    The tweet by Brian McFadden is disgusting, yes it is frustrating seeing our loved ones hurt but the first thing we learn once out is that it is not our fault we suffered.
    Being abused does very powerful damaging things to the sufferer psychologically and I will be forever scarred but I have learned how to deal with the demons in the night.
    Seeing the tweet almost took me back to the feelings of guilt and absolute shame I felt for putting up with it.

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  8. Lisa

    I spent 20 years in an abusive marriage, it took mountains of courage to get out. Friends and family would offer help but I was always scared, very scared of what may happen to my three kids. Now that I am out we are broke but happy and safe.
    It is easy to look from the outside and question why people don’t get out, as a survivor it was ultimately up to me, I planned it for a while because it is not somethingyou can do in a moment of terror. Through counselling, supportive GP, friends and family I got me and the kids out and was so terrified of the repercussions for the first 12 months but now I am okay.
    Violence whether physical of emotional is real and very prevalent and very very damaging. I hope to one day help other sufferers but do not find myself strong enough to do it at this point.
    The tweet by Brian McFadden is disgusting, yes it is frustrating seeing our loved ones hurt but the first thing we learn once out is that it is not our fault we suffered.
    Being abused does very powerful damaging things to the sufferer psychologically and I will be forever scarred but I have learned how to deal with the demons in the night.
    Seeing the tweet almost took me back to the feelings of guilt and absolute shame I felt for putting up with it.

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  9. rilo

    I have finally left my emotionally and physically abusive partner. One night after drinking he throttled me and threatened to kill me. The next morning he cried and cried and swore he’d never ever do it again. I am a well educated woman from a very supportive family – and I went back to him. It makes me feel ashamed that if someone in my position goes back – what hope is there for someone without a supportive family or financial independence? At the time, I thought our love would overcome it. It was incredibly naive – I ended up moving in with him, and it started again. He hit my head and perforated my ear drum, and he has left me with bruises and swellings on my face and body.

    My sister always made her dislike for him clear, and I resented her for it…partly because I knew he deserved her mistrust, and in an odd way I thought she might be jealous – as he was incredibly attractive and charming on the outside. She never knew the truth about his physical abuse. It took me over a year of brief break ups and reconciliations to finally have the strength to pack up my things, call my father and move out.

    Even now, my family do no know what he did to me. They just had a strong sense something was wrong. I am now seeing a counsellor, and surrounding myself with close friends and family. I wish I had listened to my family’s advice sooner – because every time I covered up for him, it became harder to escape the big lie I was living. I believe your sister can still come to her senses and leave, don’t give up on her – it’s so hard to escape a situation like that no matter how much support you have. You really feel like it’s your fault. I worry for her unborn child, because men like that need help, and rarely seek it. If they don’t, the pattern will inevitably continue. Be persistent – now I’m recovering I can see my sister only had my best interests at heart.

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  10. Abby

    This is touching, moving and educating.

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  11. JSL

    I think that unfortunately, as an adult, your sister has the right to decide to stay in an abusive relationship. I strongly believe she does not have the right to bring another person in to it. Does she really think this abuse will stop just because she has a baby? Does he only hit her above the belly while she is pregnant? Can she guarantee he will never lay a hand on their child? And what about the psychological damage to the child who lives within domestic violence? I work in the health care system and have often seen babies removed from their mothers at birth when the mother is in a violent relationship and in spite of all the support and resources offered to her, does not leave. This is a very real possibility for your sister. Hopefully the desire to protect her child will give her the courage to leave this terrible situation.

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  12. Oceans

    I’d like to make a suggestion – invite her on a week’s holiday away somewhere – her, your sisters, mum and yourself….

    I was in a mentally abusive relationship, and though was aware of it, never realised how much it was affecting me until I did just the above. Being away from it gave me a chance to look back on the relationship more objectively, and i noticed how different I felt too being away (relaxed, etc)… It jolted me awake so to speak, and I left my ex when I returned.

    And if she refuses the holiday, then Thelma and Lousie it and kidnap her!

    She can’t see it because she’s in too deep.

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  13. Anon today

    Spent a good hour typing out my story earlier today but it obviously offended someone at mamamia. Thanks a bunch.

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  14. Jem

    Your sister will love her baby more than him, and the moment his temper erupts and directs it at the baby i hope to god this will be the straw that breaks the camels back…. I do believe if this doesnt make her snap then nothing will!!

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  15. Jann

    Abusive relationships…list the variety.
    I watched and despised a friend’s partner who was violent towards her until I saw how she provoked and provoked him until he lashed out. She actually brought the violence upon herself through the provocation – a fact that I never thought possible. He never lashed out until the extreme buttons were pushed, including pouring acid over his arms to burn him.
    My ex husband abused me mentally to the point where I thought I was the lowest. Fortunately he never hit me.
    From that marriage my daughter and I experienced violence from my son who was at that stage drug affected. Fortunately he is now clean, although he cannot / will not discuss the last night night we had to call the police.
    I have seen women abuse men, men abuse women. I have seen both abuse children. None of which is the right thing to do.
    My sympathies are with the author of this article. It is a horrible situation to be in. May your family be restored to happiness one day.

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  16. Marina

    I feel the same way about a close friend in an abusive relationship & after 4 yrs, I’m still angry that she won’t leave & i wasn’t at all offended by Brian McFadden’s tweet, it made sense to me.

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  17. minnimoo

    Wow! This is such a well written, yet heartbreaking story. I have never been in a situation like this and I cannot offer any advice, but I commend you on articulating your feelings so beautifully. Good luck to you, your sister and family. xo

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  18. Sar

    There is a book called “why does he do that”. Maybe if you could find a way to get her a copy it might help.

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  19. Liz

    I want to know what will you do when the child she is now pregnant with, keeps ending up in hospital? I don’t understand women who stay anyway, but when they stay and the children are being hurt, or even just seeing their mothers beaten that’s when I start to agree with Brian McFadden.

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  20. Avi Vince

    I believe the hardest thing in life is to watch someone you love hurt, knowing they won’t accept your help. But I also believe that people need to first want help before anyone can help.

    I agree with previous comments, a child changes everything. While your sister may not want help right now, her baby will need it (but won’t be able to ask for it) and that is where you can help. Call your local Child Protection agency. They won’t remove the baby immediately, but provide her with support to keep both of them safe. Removal is always a last resort.

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    • K8e.

      Please, Please do this as soon as you hear of anything that MAY be happening to that child, or even in front of the child. Even then it might be too late… but if CP goes in before anything happens your sister is sadly likely o tell them to f off, just as she does you… even if he never goes near the child that is still NO environment for a little one to grow up in :(

      Your sister is a lot more able to protect herself even if she thinks she can’t/doesn’t seem to want too, than that poor innocent child will be. :(

      This makes me so sad! So, SO sad. I hope your younger sister and mother will at least be on board when it comes to their niece/nephew/grandchild!

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  21. Miche

    I think there is a time when you just snap because one day, things have gone to far, hurt to much, and you just can’t take it anymore. I also so think this is the time when it can get dangerous because to someone who has their partner held inside an abusive relationship, then the idea that this person will leave them, it’s real threat to them.

    And that is what protective orders are for. But until that time we just need to keep trying to get an abused woman some help. Blaming her is not the answer.

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  22. anon

    I am sorry your sister is going through this but what she needs right now is your fight – your fight to keep her safe and to suport her – please don’t give up on her.
    For her to lash out at you is very normal behaviour in such a horrible situation.
    I don’t know why that is – maybe its the fear of the abuser, being so strong that it gets rid of any common sense of knowing the situation is bleak, this might come across as ‘pathetic’ to someone outside of the situation…Its very disturbing.
    I was emotionally and physically abused by my boyfriend at age 19…my first ever boyfriend. It took me over a year to get away from this monster – it was hard hard work, he’d stalk me, tell me he’d kill me if I left him, abuse me in front of crowds, he’d force me into his car and I thought this was it – I would never see my family again…it was so awful!!!
    My sister and parents (and friends – what I had left of friends as he wouldn’t let me talk to my friends – they were all sluts to him) tried to let me know over and over again that he was not right for me, that I was better than that, that I shouldn’t put up with him
    but I used to defend him, and go back again and again hoping he would change…deep down I knew he wouldn’t but still I’d argue with my family and vow to prove to them that he did love me.
    This is what an abuser does…he erodes the self esteem, makes you feel you are not worthy of anything….tries to lure you back then pushes you down…down further down into what seems like a black hole where all you want to do is climb out.

    I do hope something lights up within your sister and she finds the strength and faith to realise she is above this and she will get through it…please be there for her – persist, support and love her, even if she tries to fight you…don’t back down – she need you right now.

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  23. gmeers

    Hopefully she’ll wake up and leave him if/when he hurts her in front of their child, or worse, hurts their child. Sad but sometimes people need a bigger wake up call than a threat to their own well-being

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  24. Anne

    I am fortunate to not have been in a situation like this in my personal life. In my professional life however as a social worker, I am constantly confronted with these situations.
    I would strongly encourage the author to access some counselling to help her manage her emotions and feelings about the situation and for advice how to help her sister. I can only speak on behalf of legislation in Tasmania, but if child protection were alerted to the situation here, a new born baby alert would be placed and if the mother couldn’t demonstrate once the baby was born she was being protective to her child, the baby would be removed and placed in care. The research about the affects of family violence on children, the impacts trauma has on brain development, children’s inability to develop effective emotional regulation to handle future stressors and the constant state of hyped anxiety children who have been exposed to trauma experience is overwhelming. I am of the belief once a child becomes involved in family violence situations, the goal posts shift and the focus needs to be on the health and wellbeing for the child. Somebody needs to speak up for this unborn child.
    These next few months will be a testing time for this relationship, abuse can increase during pregnancy as the focus and attention is often on the unborn baby and mother. This time could also be an awakening experience for the Mum to realise she needs to get out for the sake of her child. I hope for the later.

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    • Bunneh

      Great comment.

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    • k8e

      I research within the area and this is 100% true.
      Please make sure that baby is safe.

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    • Anonymous

      Really have to second the suggestion of getting counselling for yourself. My sister had a similar situation that started when I was 11, and it tore our family apart so much and so deeply that when I was 20 I went to counselling to try and better help her, and myself, and my family. I still maintain that it’s the best thing I could ever have done and eventually convinced Mum to do the same. We’re all a lot better equipped to help her as, 12 years later, my sister still tries to get her life back. It’s still painful, but we’ve become a lot more calm about things.

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    • Social Worker Ally

      Certainly in NSW if the risk of harm was considered to be “significant” the prenatal workers would be involved. Birthside assumptions are quite common unfortunately.

      And I mean unfortunately that the situation ever exists, not for the child. The child comes first.

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  25. Miss White

    My brother in law is currently in an emotionally abusive marriage. Whenever he tries to leave his wife she threatens to kill herself. His own mental health is suffering because of it, and the rest of the family have to stand by and watch. I understand the authors frustration, you wish you could just snap them out of it but it’s not that easy.

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    • Elsie

      Your BIL needs to get out of the relationship. I would advise legal advice first and if he has children with this woman, he needs to ensure their safety.

      He cannot be responsible for somebody else’s suicide if he leaves, but before he does so, can seek counselling & legal services to ensure his partner is supported before he leaves. She may reject it but at least he will have ticked all the boxes and done the right thing. If there are kids he needs to ensure that they are not in harm’s way immediately.

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  26. hellopetal

    I know two women who’ve been in domestic violence situations. Both covered them up as completely as they could until it got to a breaking point & something tipped them over. I was unaware of what was going on & lived in different cities at the time the abuses happened.

    One woman was my sister. She was only 20 when her relationship began with a much older man. They lived together fairly quickly & had a joint 21st & 40th birthday party. They smoked a lot of pot & drank a lot too. I was still living at home in another city & at uni. We’d often get calls that my sister wouldn’t be down to visit as planned, she was too upset because her & her partner had fought. We didn’t know at the time that she wasn’t coming because she couldn’t cover the damage he’d done. And it was hard to know what was going on from a distance.

    In person, her de-facto was charming. My mother seemed to have no problem with the age difference & my sister had been living out of home for a while by this time. I can’t remember why she left him but she did. I do remember her staying with mum & I & she provoked an argument with me. I eventually snapped & remember being so angry that I wanted to throw something at her. I wanted to aim at her head but knew that wasn’t acceptable so I threw the remote control at her leg. Her reaction was extreme. ‘How dare you hit another person? etc etc’ She became hysterical quickly & I left the house. Now I know that her reaction was because of the abuse she’d received. She’d come to a safe place to find someone lash out at her again.

    The hardest part of all of this was that was also part of the beginning of her mental ill-health. After she left her partner, he stalked her. He made it impossible for her to work in her industry which he had also worked in. He rang her colleagues & bosses trying to track her down. When she began seeing someone else he watched them have sex through a window. Then phoned her to tell about it. It was awful B grade movie stuff but it was real life. She could no longer work in an industry she loved. My sister attempted suicide within a few months & landed in hospital with her stomach being pumped. She still rang her ex to speak to him before she died & was ropable to find herself alive in a hospital ward. My mum refused to let me see her like that. She also had a mortgage, a job to keep & another daughter to support, me. The hospital staff wanted my mum to sign my sister into a psych ward to get help. My mum didn’t know what to do. She needed to be signed into someone’s care & my mum wasn’t willing to take time off work to do that, I still don’t know why.

    Guess who appeared like a white knight? To be let out of hospital, my sister allowed herself to be signed out into her ex’s care. He told her all kind of things to manipulate her into signing over her half of their property to him. He told her that her family didn’t care about her & that no-one cared if she lived or died but him. They were together again for a while. I don’t recall how long but she did leave again when she was stronger & able to.

    I hate that my mum made the choices she did. I hate that I was young & inexperienced in the world & I didn’t know what was happening. I knew my sister had always been emotional & volatile. I know now that we grew up in an emotionally & psychologically abusive family that absolutely primed my sister for this guy. My mum probably saw shades of my dad in my sister’s partner & had no defence or backbone against that pattern of behaviour, then again my mum was very naive so it’s hard to know.

    I can remember saying to my sister that I would never allow a man to hit me. If he did I would leave. And she said you really don’t know what you would do about anything until it happens to you. The sad thing is all the ‘things’ seem to happen to her & I manage to dodge the worst of it.

    I understand where you are at with your sister. I understand now the patterns of abuse & domestic violence. I hope that your sister will leave one day. And you really don’t know what will be her breaking point. You just have to know that part of her understands that you will be one hell of a support person when her mind is stronger & clearer & she comes out from under this man’s spell. Good luck!

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  27. Kate

    what does the research out there say on methods for ‘changing’ the track in an abused partner’s head? That sounds odd written down, I guess what I’m really asking is there any way of psychotherapy etc that can help a woman here to see the truth of the situation and the extent of the manipulation? For example the sorts of methods that are used in situations of addiction? While I’m very conscious that the last thing we want to do is point the finger at the abused partner, or classify them as a being ‘ill’, I’m wondering what sort of approach could help them to see the manipulation and come up with the best (although I’m sure always very difficult) way to repond and get out. I guess the key though is getting them to want to get help… vicious cycle hey.

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    • Zepgirl

      Yeah, I’d be really interested to hear about this too. Without in any way victim blaming the person, I wonder what sort of methods there are out there to show the victim that they ARE a victim.

      I do remember having a discussion with a psychologist who was telling me how incredibly difficult it can be for people to realise that they are victims of an abusive relationship and that so many of the women (and sometimes men) will ‘explain away’ the reasons behind their partner’s continuous abuse, saying that their relationship is nothing like all the other abusive ones out there that are indeed almost identical.

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    • Social Worker Ally

      Kate, you have made a valid point, although I see what you mean about it sounding odd written down!

      The research indicates that the way perpetrators of DV work is incredibly similar to people who torture others, particularly as POW’s. As in, first they are isolated, often financially, socially and physically. Then there is the constant and continual breakdown of their sense of self, (you are stupid, its all your fault because you served the dinner cold etc). And then the physical violence.

      After the physical violence, or explosion if its verbal or emotional abuse, the cycle usually goes back to what they call the honeymoon phase, which can include threats of suicide, calls of dependency, blame, and finally closeness again (Don’t leave me, I need you).

      You can see how all of this would play an immense role in the changing of a person’s psychological well-being. Current stats say that most women will leave at least 5 times before they finally leave for good, and that usually there is some sort of additional trigger (fear for children is common). Its also incredibly difficult to leave if you have no access to finances, important documents like birth certs, transport or support networks because you have been isolated for so long.

      So while you are right in saying we don’t want to point the finger of blame at the abused partner, certainly the final decision to leave has to come from them. Its just that it is a very difficult process to work through.

      You can google “cycle of violence” for more info if youre interested.

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    • Dstar

      My friend is a psychologist and she remains in a abusive relationship (5 or so years now). She pretends to everyone that he is great and that she is happy and the children they have together have made them a “perfect” family. I tried to help her, I tried to get her out of the relationship, but she’s in denial and wants to pretend to everyone else that she’s living ‘happily-ever-after….. So even mental health professionals have the same issues.

      I don’t doubt the benefits of counselling for the abused partner though.

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  28. Anon for today

    Imagine, if you will, how it feels to be a child and watch the family ‘act normally’ around the abuser.

    That was my life – and my sisters. My father was a monster but all of our family pretended nothing was happening and they did NOTHING to help us.

    Sorry but your sister is a wimp and a coward. As was my mother. All this talk of ‘disempowement’ is bullshit. My mother knew full well what she was doing. She made the choice to stay with him.

    My sister and I are now adults but have post-traumatic stress disorder and have needed years of counselling – all of which could have been prevented if my mother had the guts to leave in the first place.

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    • Bunneh

      I’m so saddened by your comment.

      As Anne, above, said – this is why the author of the article really needs to now focus her attention on the unborn child of this relationship. The impact that witnessing (or worse, experiencing) family violence has on children is immense and has horrible life-long effects.

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  29. Sonya

    Thanks for sharing and showing us the other side of a very upsetting situation. I was in an abusive relationship for over 5 years and during that time went from a confident outgoing career woman to someone I didn’t know or recognise. I was brainwashed into believing I was a nobody, manipulated to the extreme and constantly belittled. My family and friends tried to get me to leave on many occasions but I couldn’t – he would always threaten to kill them and me if I ever did. Finally he went too far one night and bashed and kicked me until I miscarried (pregnant as a result of rape, not allowed to take the pill) and it wasn’t until then that I found the strength to walk away.

    As hard as it is, please do not judge your sister. She may feel she is doing the right thing for now, but there will come a time when her strength kicks in and she realises she can leave. Everyone has a breaking/snapping point – it will come. Once she has had her child, she may gain a different perspective and want to protect him or her as much as she can.

    Your sister is still there – she’s just hidden. Wait for her – she will come back.

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  30. lucinda

    I saw on a US fictional TV show once where they set up a network to “kidnap” women in domestic violence situations. From memory, I think the women were involved though, so it wasn’t actually illegal. But they had a network where the woman would be passed from one safe house to the next, and each safehouse only knew the details of the next in line, so that if the abuser tried to track her down in was very time consuming and gave the others time to get the police involved. Not that I’m advocating this, but I thought it was an amazing system at the time and I can see where this might come in use.

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  31. Kormilda

    It took me 2 children and 3 years of planning to leave my emotionally and physically abusive husband. Fear of him and hope that he might change kept me there muuh longer than it should have.

    It took me 4+ years to work my plan to leave, really without involving my family and friends, I discussed it all in online forums for advice and support. I was ashamed and terrified.

    Leaving him was the best thing I have ever done. I left for my children moreso than me because it was my choice to be in that reationship/situation. They didn’t choose to be abused or see me abused.

    They may never understand fully what happened given they were so young, but I wanted to be strong for them, and I wanted to set the example to my daughter that it’s not ok to be abused and to my son, that he can’t treat anyone like that. They’ll look at me now as someone who is strong and caring, not weak and numb.

    Just be there for your sister. She’ll come out when she safely can. It really isn’t a decision she’ll make overnight and I had many false starts myself while I built up the courage to leave for good.

    Abusers are amazing actors and manipulators – that’s how they suck you in and groom you. You’ll do anything to feel that high of love again, and you don’t focus on the bad stuff, just the amazing man you have. But the monster is always just underneath… When your sister realises he’s not a good man with a bad temper, but a bad man with a silver tounge, she’ll be able to leave.

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  32. kate

    No sorry once there are children involved you must become involved and stay involved. It was only when I told my close friend that I would make a child abuse notification to DOCS and would apply for residence of her child if she did not leave and seek assistance that she finally left and sought help…. was it cruel yes…… was it necessary …… yes ……. would I have followed through …… absolutely

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    • Jacqui

      And DOCS will remove a child because of domestic violence, so it’s good leverage. As others have said, the trauma from seeing your mother beaten is taken very seriously, because it is so serious.

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  33. FHB

    Left an abusive relationship after I was hospitalized. I took a poker iron to the temple and it actually was lodged in my thumb on the second swing. She had no way of turning this one around and saying it was my fault. Once before I was dragged away by police after she flat out attacked me in a jealous rage, punching and kicking, all the whilst I just took the blows.

    I held her at arms length around the throat, which meant she got to call the cops and have me removed saying I was strangling her, which was interesting because I had to ask the officer if I could go back inside to find my TOOTH,

    The most painful event in my life was being attacked by a psychotic person, and then torn away from my children and blamed for something I didn’t do.

    There is no frustration, no feeling on this earth as painful as been ripped away and blamed, because you are of a demographic.

    I gathered proof, left and am now happy (with full custody). Luckily all I had to do was spend $30,000, beg witnesses, neigbours to help and put hidden cameras and recorders everywhere.

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    • Anon

      So sorry you had to go through that. My mum lied about my dad abusing me enough to claim sole custody of me. I was young enough that when I said “No, he never touched me!” they didn’t believe me because she got friends to lie for her saying they had witnessed things.

      I will never forgive her for that and I have no relationship with her today because of that. She destroyed my dad and his reputation – he lost his job. I needed protecting from her because she was physically and emotionally abusive but he tries to stop her from assaulting him and suddenly she’s filing false claims.

      Ridiculous system.

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  34. Carz

    Studies have shown that abuse commonly escalates during the final phases of an abusive relationship, when the perpetrator can see that he is losing control. Ending the relationship is no guarantee that the abuse will stop. There are many many stories about women who continue to be abused years and decades after leaving an abusive relationship. If you don’t want to wade through research to find a little understanding then I suggest you check out two novels by Australian author Ilsa Evans – Broken and Sticks and Stone. Both books deal with the issue of domestic violence from the point of view of the victim.

    It is very easy to judge a person in an abusive relationship based on what you believe you would do if it was you but the simple fact is that it isn’t you and you don’t know.

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    • h

      Exactly. It’s too easy to say “just leave”. It doesn’t mean the abuser will stop. Sometimes it can be more frightening because then you don’t know what mood he is in, where he is, what he is doing. I left and it was worth it, but for 3 years I lived in constant anxiety, never knowing whether he might turn up and smash in the door because something had angered him. Restraining order? Is it a fence, a wall, an armed guard to protect you? No. For someone who is only restrained by the fear that their public persona might be destroyed, it could be the thing that tips them over the edge…. He’s overseas now, and the kids are grown up, so I’m less anxious, but the fear never goes completely…

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  35. Lucy

    I have totally been in this situation with friends who are in emotionally and/or physically abusive relationships…and it’s so difficult and frustrating. I’m also really glad that someone has come out in the media and said that yes, sure Brian’s comment wasn’t overly sensitive but his intentions and feelings were well meant. I can totally understand where he was coming from.

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  36. anon for this

    Sounds just like my sister in law. Ran away to get married to a man who had been in the country for a very short amount of time (he is also lebanese) she comes from a catholic family and he forced her to convert to Islam. They have been in and out of court and hospital, we have seen him be violent and intimidating toward her. She had a baby who was very sick and he decided it was all too hard to spend time supporting her and being a good father because NICU was too much for HIM. He visited him once and was drunk (I didn’t think muslims drank?) which was reported to DOCS thank goodness. She’ll call us say she’s leaving, we’ll give her money, help her out and then the next week she is back with him telling everyone how wonderful he is and how they’re a family again and she wants to make it work for the baby. The last time I spoke to her I said “just remember you are teaching your son how to treat women and if you say its ok your husband hits you then how do you think your son will treat women?”. She has a very fractured personal history, I think she is a very co-dependent person who is afraid of being a single mother. My partner is at his wits ends he feels so bad for his sister but how do you help someone who won’t help themselves?

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  37. Anonymous

    It’s a pity that her unborn child doesn’t even get a choice – they are destined to grow up in an abusive house and likely to be the subject of abuse themselves. That’s the point at which an abused woman becomes responsible for the abuse – she knows what he is like and yet she refuses to act to save another person (a little innocent person) from ever having to encounter that abuse. I’m biased – I grew up in a house like that and it messes you up in big and small ways for the rest of your life. I just hope someone reports them to a Government Department so that the welfare of the child will be supervised properly.

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    • Anon

      Yes. Totally correct. And it is important that children that grew up with abuse, like you and like me, speak our truth.

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      • Anonymous

        Thank you for validating what I had written above. You’re right of course – we have to speak our truth. And yet I use the pseudonym “Anonymous” in my post, and I very rarely speak to friends of the abuse in my childhood home. It makes people uncomfortable and it makes me feel stigmatised (and more vulnerable to criticism). I don’t want to be defined by the abuse, and yet it silently pervades most of my adult life. I really hope that the unborn child in this story doesn’t have to share the burden of abuse like you and me.

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        • Katie

          I make sure I never keep quiet about my father’s spousal abuse, and my siblings I believe are much the same. Our mother has chosen to stay with him despite more than two decades of emotional abuse, violence and death threats, much of which happened in our presence. By choosing to stay with him, she in many ways protects him. All of us have asked her to leave, even when we were younger (because children know, by the time they’re in double digits, that a mother will stay to keep a family together) and still in the home. She defends him and claims to love him. None of us are willing to protect him, to stop the world from knowing what he’s like. Even if we only get to tell the people in our own lives, it’s liberating not to keep his (and her) secret.
          And, y’know, for us, rather than feeling stigmatised, it kind of helps people understand our own problems in relationships, issues with trust, because none of us have quite sought the therapy that we all very much need. You don’t get to spend your childhood cowering in your room, listening to one-sided fights escalate to violence, without getting a bit screwed up. Particularly when you’re forced to keep the abuser in your life if you ever want to see your mother.

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  38. Jess

    I don’t know if this is an option, but in this situation it might be worth talking with their neighbours and telling them that you love your sister, that you know how violent her partner is, and to ask them to call the police each and every time they suspect he is angry. Depending on where your sister lives, the police may be required to remove your sisters partner (perhaps this will give him time to calm down or at best give him a record that might eventually take him out of your sisters life).

    I absolutely understand why you can’t bury your head in the sand and pretend things are ok. I wouldn’t be able to either, though I understand why others would for the sake of maintaining contact.

    I am sorry for you, your sister, her baby and your family. I hope one day this horrendous situation changes.

    Jess

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  39. MJ

    The only thing you can do is constantly offer help. There are 24/7 phone lines that will organise crisis care for her, there are a million different places that can help her get back on her feet. If she decides she wants help it’s there.
    I struggle to understand how someone can stay in this situation. It’s been explained to me many times, but as a nurse I have seen the injuries women come in with from their partners, and it is beyond comprehension to me that they go back.
    It would be a horrible thing to watch a loved one in that situation, and I agree with your approach of refusing to pretend that it’s not happening.

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    • Anonymous

      There are NOT “millions of different places” that help victims of domestic violence. Every day desperate individuals and family groups are turned away from organizations that provide crisis care because there are not enough beds for everyone. It is a myth that there is plenty of support available. If you don’t have supportive friends or family or a steady income it can be very difficult to leave.

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      • MJ

        Not millions but there are a lot of places out there. If you want to get out of a DV situation you can.

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  40. camelican

    Oh god… This sounds so awfully familiar. Thank you so much for voicing this part of the journey – the absolute frustration you feel when no matter how supportive you are, no matter how many of the ‘right’ things you say, no matter how many guidelines you follow on ‘approaching the subject respectfully’, everything you say doesn’t just get ignored, it gets thrown back in your face.
    I don’t want to become cynical and bitter, but god it’s hard to keep trying to stay supportive without voicing your frustration with the whole thing.

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  41. I have never zipped it

    Great story. I am the much-younger sister of a wife-beating monster and for the past 15+ years, I have talked about his violence to me and to my pets during my childhood and to his now-ex-wife of 20 years. Put simply – No one wants to hear it. My parents are in denial and blame everyone else for their son’s lack of control and thier lack of anything to stop him, saying its up to everyone else to keep him calm.

    My voice about his violence has led to my isolation from my whole extended family including those who saw the bruises, the holes in the walls, who overheard the yelling, who used to gossip about what they thought was going on, who saw the cops there, who knew about the AVO’s. And my brother? He is still apart of the family who gets invited to everything, even though I know they still dont like him, and but are probably scared of him too. My departure from the family leaves a deafening silence of what has gone on for over 40 years and probably is still going on with his new wife (another victim) but the family dont see how by them standing there doing nothing and blaming me, his ex-wife, his children, the cops, the lawyers, the town grapevine, just provides a greater platform for his anti-social violent outbursts and attention seeking behaviours. my whole family are gutless, however they have each other as supports as they all play by the same rules. When I speak out, I break those rules hence i pay the consequence. And they all share the belief that Im the one with the problem who should shut up and who has gone ‘strange’.

    I, like many others who speak out, do so with great risk. Risks include being isolated and shunned and blamed and abused and accused of causing trouble and told to ‘leave him alone’ and ‘mind your own business’. In this case my brother’s wife left eventually when the time was ‘right’ for her and her children but this only increased her level of risk of violence and abuse from not only him but my whole family for ‘exposing’ him. Like this story, my family have chosen to pretend nothing has ever happened to maintain a relationship with their son/nephew/cousin in fear of them either being the next target or they know that if they dare speak out, they will join me in being excluded from the whole family.

    He used to belt me as a child and my family did nothing. he hated and threatened our mother constantly and she believed her son was just her father reincarnated so she accepted it whilst Dad did nothing. Dad never hit anyone but was terrified of his own son who reminded him of his own violent father so he did nothing. My brother used to brutally beat his wife and my family did nothing. He started to hit his kids and his wife did something and left whilst the family still did nothing. They are as much a pathetic coward as he is.

    Like this author, I cannot stand there is silence about violence. I too am waiting for something but Im not sure what as I never ever want a relationship with my brother, or any of his supporters. I completely understand how women cant leave like everyone expects them to but i have no answers as they need to make up their own minds but sadly many no longer have control over their own minds as that right was taken from them with the first call of being ugly or the first hit.

    Staying with a violent man means they too lose out and push away the very few who will listen, believe, talk about it, help and support them out of it. All we can do is wait patiently with our hands outstretched with love. Waiting hurts but its all we’ve got sometimes until they take our hand.

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    • missamoo

      Your story broke my heart when I was a child and my father started belting me there was talk of sending me into foster care so I wouldn’t be around to upset him. I was lucky and my parents have sorted themselves out and dad has modified his behaviour. But reading your story reminded me how much that hurt me that I might have grown up not knowing my sisters and brother. I’m sorry for your pain and I hope that like me, one day,you will be with your family and the perpetrator or the violence will either get himself some help or will be ostracised like he deserves. I don’t know you but I am proud of your stand against this issue even though it causes you more pain. Be well and stay strong.

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  42. no name today

    I am the younger sister too. My oldest sister was in an abusive relationship for 15 years, and it was only when her child was at risk that she left. Sadly, she met another man who is just as bad. My sister has not spoken to me for over 5 years because I called her out on her choice – asked her why she would do this to herself and her child again. I tried to support her, I tried to help, she hid at my home, I cleaned up her blood and plastered the hole in the wall where her head had gone thru – but in the end, for my own sanity, I had to leave her to her choice. It sucks, but I cant change the way she feels – when she says “but I love him” I want to vomit.

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  43. missamoo

    My little sister was in an abusive relationship with a man you among other things began killing her kitten and then the three after that she replaced it with. My family and I are a pack of wolves and we spent many years trying to get her to see the light, alternatively leaving her to fate and jumping in all hands on deck get her away from the bastard. None of this is perfect, but we did what we know which is rally around and push until the desired outcome is achieved. I am exhausted by a world still would rather turn a blind eye than get involved and maybe help someone change their lives.

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  44. picardie.girl

    I think you did a very brave, important and good thing. Wishing you and your family happiness.

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  45. Anonymous

    In my own experience with an abusive man the stupidest thing that kept me there was I thought I loved him. I was so manipulated I thought no one else had ever shown him love and that I would have failed if I gave up. I wanted to leave for so long but c

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  46. Anonymous

    One of my Freinds is in a abusive relationship. She got out of one and then found herself in this one. When she rings I listen, I agree he is an ass when she calls him one. There is nothing more I can do until she wants to. I figure at least this way when she wants to leave she will have someone to call and help her :(

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  47. Anon #1

    I was in an abusive relationship about 15 years ago.

    Nothing anyone said made any difference. The bastard who would hit me had completely manipulated any normal sense of reality I had. He broke me down until I was at a point where I actually felt grateful for the fact I could iron his shirts, cook his meals or be the recipient of a stern talking to after he would explain to me why I had made him hit me.

    He worked for a telecommunications company, and was able to check what local calls I had made the day prior from our home phone. If he saw the number for my parents, or one of my friends show up, it would send him into a frenzy, and he would demand to know why I was clearly calling them to complain about him. It wasn’t true, but I stopped calling them because it wasn’t worth the bruises anymore.

    He set up bank accounts that were only in his name, and my pay would go in there. I could only withdraw money from the account if I filled out a deposit slip with his signature on it. He spent all the money at the casino, and when we started getting eviction notices, that was my fault too. If I was more supportive, he said, he wouldn’t feel compelled to gamble. I remember sitting on the couch one night and he went to the ATM to get money out to go to the pub. There was none there. He came home, looked at me and told me that he was going to go and lock the door. He said when he came back, if the money I had “stolen” wasn’t on the kitchen table, he was going to kill me. He ended up throwing the television at me and ripping the phone out of the wall so I couldn’t call for help.

    I am partly deaf in one ear from being kicked in the head by him. Every time I have to say “pardon” to someone because I can’t hear them, I hate myself for leaving myself in a position where I could have these types of injuries inflicted on me. I recall being pushed down a flight of stairs on another occasion, and waking up on the floor actually being able to see the whiteness of my kneecap. It took months to heal, and once it had healed, he shoved me down the stairs again.

    To the writer of this article – your sister will one day realise what is happening. Her boyfriend has created a framework around the two of them where she is so frightened to speak out because this is all she knows.

    I eventually got thrown out of our apartment. It was a blessing. I continued to pay half the rent until someone said I was crazy. I suddenly realised that I was.

    Just be there for her. I promise you, that in her darker moments, that she relies on the knowledge that you’re there. She’ll never tell you until she’s out, but that day will come. And when she leaves him – or gets thrown out like I did – put your arms around her and tell her that you love her. It’s all you can do.

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    • Ash

      This story has bought tears to my eyes. What a brave woman you are. I truly hope you got the help you needed and things are looking brighter for you now. Love and light xxx

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      • Anon #1

        Thank you, Ash. You comment made me cry too. That’s very kind of you.

        I am married now, and have a wonderful husband who loves me. He completely and utterly loves me. He drives me crazy sometimes – the usual male crap like not taking out the rubbish, not putting his dirty clothes in the basket, and having selective hearing on occasions. I’m not always easy to live with though, and I’m sure if he could wave a wand and perhaps motivate me to know how to cook something other than eggs on toast and…well…eggs on toast, then he would. Lucky he can cook, or we’d both starve. Importantly, he would never, ever raise his hand to me.

        Like most couples, we have our ups and downs. But there is such a thing as a happy ending.

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        • sauce

          Thank you Ash for writing your comment. I am in an abusive relationship now, and as I’ve written in an earlier comment, the only reason I stay is because I am scared he will hurt my family.

          I keep trying to read success stories like yours of other ‘psychos’ that women have gotten away with unharmed, and with their families in tact too. I always always always think of just upping and leaving, going where he won’t find me. However I am afraid that will anger him he will attack my family if he can’t find me. I’m sure you know yuorself that restraining orders aren’t always bullet proof.

          I’m glad you got out, and I’m glad you found a wonderful marriage! It also seems like you don’t lose sleep and stress over only serving eggs on toast, and that’s how it should be. I can’t wait until the day when I don’t have to come home worrying about what mood he is in, or that someone is talking too loudly, or that my phone will ring, or we will bump into someone (mostly a male) in public that I will get in trouble for.

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  48. Anon

    I was feeling really sorry for your sister until you said she was pregnant.

    This selfish woman has now decided to create another person for this monster to abuse.

    The best thing you can do is to alert the relevant child welfare authority. Hopefully they can start a file.

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    • Amanda

      She was probably raped. And not allowed to go to the doctor/chemist to get any contraception because they might see the injuries.

      Nice compassion for christmas huh?

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      • Liz

        Wow and people thought Brain McFadden was insensitive! The fact that she can’t leave the relationship probably means that she possibly (and I say possibly becaues we are not there) may think a child will ‘fix’ things. Or, her confidence and self wealth are so low that she doesn’t believe he would touch the child.
        I pray and hope that she has the courage to leave him but to call her selfish is an awful thing to say about someone you know only of what is written here from a sister’s point of view.

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        • Anon

          Yes Liz I agree. It is awful to call someone selfish but only if its not true. If the truth hurts it doesn’t mean it isn’t still the truth.
          No more excuses. Bringing a child into an abusive relationship is bad for the child. The likelihood of that child being abused is extremely high. At best the child will be traumatised by witnessing the abuse of its mother.
          This is the very definition of selfish. Putting yourself before another.

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      • Anon

        Raped? Maybe. More likely she thinks a baby will change him. And no, I don’t have any compassion for women who bring children into abusive situations, no matter what time of year it is.

        My mother thought a baby would change my father. Both my sister and I were abused throughout our entire childhoods and watched her get the shit punched out of her.

        These women need to understand what they are doing to their children. Covering it up and making excuses doesn’t help.

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        • no name today

          Anon, I agree – my father abused myself and my 5 siblings, and my mother would stand by and watch. When (years later, after my father had died) I asked mum about this, and why she never stopped him from hurting us. She said she thought it was better for us to be hit than for him to hit her – she grew up with an abusive father who used to beat her mother, and hated it. I still cannot understand why she didnt leave him – and I dont know if I will ever be able to forgive her for keeping us children in such a toxic environment, and if a woman who is being abused knowingly and joyfully has a child by the bastard that is doing it, she is sentencing that poor baby to a childhood of horror.

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          • Anon

            Thanks no name today. It’s so hard not to feel for the children when you know first hand what it’s like isn’t it?
            And as for forgiveness. I think it’s impossible to forgive someone who thinks they did the right thing.

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        • Carz

          Do you really think there is any such thing as a consensual sexual relationship in the midst of one that is physically and emotionally abusive. If she does everything she can to keep him happy and calm and to not get hit for breaking the rules then she would be submitting, not consenting. The two are very different.

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          • Anon

            Think about what you are saying.
            You are saying she has no choice but to do everything possible to submit and keep him happy. What if it makes him happy to abuse the child? Submit to that too? Selfish.

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            • Carz

              Live it and tell me its selfish. The reality is its survival.

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            • anon

              I did live it as a child. SELFISH

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    • Anonymous

      i think you are missing the point….he has taken away her ability to make any decisions

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      • Jam

        Or in my sisters case, her violent husband pricked holes into all their condoms and tracked her cycle. And he wouldnt let her go to the doctor let alone have an abortion.

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        • rima

          this was my comment, forget to put in my name. i think that is called reproductive abuse. i hope your sister is ok Jam

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  49. Liz

    What an amazing article. Thank you so much for writing it, I’m sure it was very hard. It is so interesting and important to read the ”other” side of the story. I also think it is the most real response to the inappropriate Brian tweet.
    I wish you and your family well and I hope that your sister one day has the strength to leave with her unborn child. I know if and when she does, she will have a very supportive sister waiting for her.

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  50. Sarah

    I have no answers sorry. Just want to share that I went through the same thing but with my best friend. I stood up for her. I refused to stand up at their wedding as a bridesmaid knowing only a month before he chocked her till she passed out or slammed her face into the vanity basin blackening her face. I offered all the help she needed. She was determined to get married though. They were having counseling but had just started it. I advised if that was the was case at least wait 6 months to marry to see how it goes. But I was the bitch! Well she left him 6 months after marriage. The deal breaker wasn’t the beatings but he was flirting with other girls down at the pub. Go figure? And she was a very successful business woman with what I thought previously was someone with a good head on her shoulders. Our relationship tried to get back on track but then other influences ( namely our other best girlfriend that was the other bridesmaid and did stand next to her at the wedding) pushed her nose in.
    So maybe your mum and sister are doing the right thing. Hard to know.
    I though could not in good conscience stand aside and say it was ok to be treated like that. Morally and ethically it is very wrong to be subjected to that type of behavior and I knew when taking a stand that I could lose her friendship but that was a risk I was willing to take. I thought it might make her realise that she deserves better than that. Didn’t work but I would still do the same thing today.

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    • Drained Support Person

      Sarah – I totally understand where you are coming from, not wanting to stand by her side as bridesmaid. I was hopeful it wouldn’t come to that for me ( they would get married ), because I would of taken the same stance as you. I actually said to her id prefer to be honest & upfront with you than sit back and pretend it’s all roses cause that to me is condoning Domestic Violence and I cannot support that.

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