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by NATALIA JASTRZAB

Everyone’s been talking about Fifty Shades of Grey. More specifically, they’ve been talking about:

1) How badly written it is

2) How many times Anastasia Steele says “oh my”

3) The ridiculous references to her “inner goddess” and her “sex” (READ: VAGINA)

Surprisingly, I haven’t seen all that much mentioning the actual relationship between Christian and Anastasia – and how damaging it is. Then I stumbled across this book review on Goodreads.com, where reviewer Katrina Lumsden makes the problem VERY clear to all of us who were otherwise blinded by all the whips and that tampon scene:

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50 Shades of Grey

The biggest issue I have with Fifty Shades of Shit is neither the sex nor the horrible writing. It’s the plot. Thin as it is, it’s still there, its core message being that, given enough time, you can change someone.

While I don’t have any problem with this if all you’re trying to do is help them to lose weight or quit smoking, when you’re talking about an emotionally and (dangerously close to) physically abusive relationship, sending that kind of message is ridiculous and irresponsible.

Christian is controlling, possessive, condescending, and cruel. He doesn’t allow Ana to behave as she normally would, and Ana just puts up with it, insistent that if she can give him what he wants, when he wants, as often as he wants, she can eventually begin to pull his strings.

Will it work? In the books, probably. In real life? No. Almost never. How many idiotic, weak women are going to waste their lives on some emotionally retarded prick because they’ve read shit like this and think this kind of fucked-up fairytale will come true for them? I’ve known women with this mentality. “Oh, he’s so dark and dangerous and threatening, but he’s got a sad, lonely side, and if I could just figure out what’s wrong, I could change him!”

I know women with this mentality too. Heck, at times I’VE even had that mentality. I spent one entire relationship constantly saying to all my friends, “So he was really mean to me but in the end it was really my fault anyway!”  They all did a great job of restraining themselves from smacking me over the head.

Katrina points out that Christian stalks Ana, whispers things to her “threateningly” and makes her constantly afraid he’s going to beat the crap out of her. Yet at no point in the book itself or in the endless public discussion about it, do we see people calling this emotional abuse for what it is.

The end of the book was absolutely hilarious, with Ana fleeing in emotional tumult because Christian can’t give her what she needs (love! *sniff*).

And we’re treated to her alternately being angry about the pain and humiliation she faced at Christian’s hands, and chastising herself for being a failure and for being mean to Christian. It really is classic abuse mentality. She’s pathetic. And I hate her. A lot.

It’s this kind of ignorant trash that sets feminism back decades. Women who defend this book are, however unwittingly, participating in some of the most blatant misogyny I’ve ever witnessed, giving the impression that some women enjoy being debased, abused, and controlled (outside of a consensual dom/sub relationship). This is not a book about BDSM, this is a book about one sick, abusive man and his obsession with a young, naive invertebrate.

It’s a book about a girl who has absolutely no sense of self, who sacrifices any pretense of individuality in order to hold onto a man who doesn’t even show her the faintest glimmer of respect. It’s about two attention-starved individuals with the emotional maturity of toilet paper convincing themselves that their relationship is ‘like, the best thing ever, OMG’.

It’s trite, insulting, and dangerous. I fear for any impressionable young women who read this and think that this is how an ideal relationship should operate. If nothing else, it should be issued as a guidebook to mothers around the world to show their daughters the kind of man to avoid at all costs. This book does good men (and indeed, all of humanity) a disservice.

It’s plain and simple: this is emotional abuse. White Ribbon explain exactly what emotional abuse is on their website:

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Emotional abuse — blaming the victim for all problems in the relationship, constantly comparing the victim with others to undermine self-esteem and self-worth, sporadic sulking, withdrawing all interest and engagement (eg weeks of silence).

Social abuse — systematic isolation from family and friends through techniques such as ongoing rudeness to family and friends, moving to locations where the victim knows nobody, and forbidding or physically preventing the victim from going out and meeting people — in effect, imprisonment.

The reality is that while physical abuse leaves visually obvious wounds, emotional abuse can potentially be just as harmful. Yet amongst so many women there seems to be this perception that we can ‘change’ a man. And with the books currently topping the best seller list essentially glamourising life with an abusive partner, you have to ask whether we’re reinforcing that perception even further.

 If this post brings up any issues for you, contact 1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732) or go to their website. They are the national sexual assault and domestic family violence counselling service.

White Ribbon is Australia’s campaign to stop violence against women. You can donate to them here or, better still, get all the men in your life to take their oath to never commit, excuse or remain silent about violence against women.

Do you think that an emotionally abusive man can change?

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269 Comments so far

  1. Anon

    This resonates so strongly it brought me to tears. It will take years to undo the pain caused by a 4 year long emotionally and socially abusive relationship. When I think of the things he said to me and the way he treated me I feel so sad I allowed it to go on fir so lI only hope his new girlfriend isn’t suffering in the same way. Are all their relationships the same? I don’t believe he will ever change.

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  2. Lisa

    neither we used to sing sloppy wet kiss and a few of the wpoihsprers were getting distracted, so we changed it to passionate kiss and it goes over much better. I don’t have a problem with sloppy wet kiss and find it beautiful and inspired, but its not Gospel, so we can change it as long it is still true I don’t think an unforseen kiss is theologically acurate. Heaven meets earth with an unforseen kiss almost seems like God was being sneaky about his love.

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  3. trace63

    I did read all three books and I have to be very honest here, I really struggled especially with the 1st one. I was in a very abusive relationship at the end of my high school years and starting work. While reading this book it brought back some bad memories which I didn’t want to re visit. The guy I went out with was physically abusive and everything in between. I think the worst part for me was I thought I really loved him. It was my first real relationship and I was totally in love. He promised me time and time again that the abuse would never happen again, of course it did and eventually after what seemed like a lifetime I finally asked for help and just by working it out in my own head that this was not normal behavior and I could not keep doing this to myself, I made a phone call to a friend of my parents and I will never forget what they did for me. In the end I got out of our rented unit with the help of my parents, brother and the police. He tried hard to get me back but I knew deep down it wasn’t going to work. I was only 18 or so and truly had a whole life ahead of me. I am now in my late (very late) fortys and have been happily married for 25 years, I have two adult sons and these 3 males are my rock. Now I know what love really is. After finishing the 3 books all I got out of it was in their own way they appeared to love each other, however a leopard doesn’t change his spots and I certainly found that out for myself.

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  4. Anonymous

    I read the book and it brought a lot up.

    I was with my boyfriend for two years and living with him . After I said I will terminate the pregnancy he turned . I told him before hand and told him about my fears and he called me unstable and took my engagement ring away .

    He was embaressed about how I ate , witheld sex and affection , kept his dating profile the whole time ,spoke badly about me to his friends , called me a fucking retard for misunderstanding something , wanted to break up with me because I didn’t do the dishes right etc. Even told a real estate agent to fuck off because she got something mixed up . And a lot more..

    After he broke up with me for the second time he contacted me via email saying he wanted me back and that he wants to spend the rest of his life making me happy. A few days later he changed his mind and said I was just filtering out what I wanted to hear.

    Four months after that he wanted me back again and even paid for me to fly across the country because he moved there . We talked on the phone and I was stupid enough to go . He was sweet at first but the next day I got really sick , throwing up three times that day and feeling like death . He was upset with me saying if I listened to him and drank water I would be better , now I ruined the day . He did take me to the dr but was very cold and left me in the hotel so he could go home and eat dinner .

    At his place the next day I couldnt eat my entire dinner and he got angry at me for it .

    When I returned home he hardly spoke to me and ignored me . After saying he loves me so much and misses me so much .And that breaking up with me was the biggest mistake .

    Now I haven’t heard from him and feel like the biggest idiot.I feel if I never had that abortion he would have been nicer .He was the perfect boyfriend in the first few months .

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  5. Norma

    The problem with these books is that they are sending the wrong message to our young girls. Believe me a woman can’t never change a controlling man. We don’t have that power and is not our job! I seen many high school girls reading these books and believing this is a healthy relationship. I hear them saying that they want to marry “Mr. Grey”. I think fiction reflects social problems, and also sometimes contribute to them especially with teenagers. I think these books are very dangerous!

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  6. Ottle

    I thoroughly enjoyed all three books although i see the ending as a complete fantasy. The sex episodes were always consensual, although many women are sucked into a narcissist’s controlling and charismatic web. I found them repetitively boring yet enjoyed the unravelling of Fifty’s personality disorder. That held far more interest for me, and to be honest Anastasia had her own demons doing their thing. Suggesting these books condone abuse is suggesting every fairy story ever written should be banned, every crime story should be destroyed and that real people cant be represented in fiction. Real narcissists exist and real passive women exist. They are out there right this minute. Real ‘Tops’ and ‘Bottoms’ (doms and subs) exist, and who cares if they don’t hurt you. The message that rustles through these books for me which I think is true and real, is the unconditional love that people should have for each other….not a sexual love or romantic love, but a pure love based on trust, support, awareness, insight, acceptance, protection and most of all constant. There are many themes and messages in these books, least of all I believe, is the message that abuse is OK. I dont believe the author validated abuse at all. A good read and escapism.

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  7. pauline22

    Thank you for pointing out what should be obvious to anyone who reads the book. The people who deal with family violence have great difficulty getting the public to believe in the disastrous outcomes of emotional abuse without literature like this making it sound glamorous.

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  8. Tash

    Agree wholeheartedly with this article and the review. ( there is also another awesome review on good reads that is spot on) This book left me feeling VERY uncomfortable. ( yes i did read all three ) What really scares me ? Is the amount of young Teenagers reading this drivel. When i found out my teenage nieces have read this and really enjoyed it. I sat down and had a long conversation with my nieces about why i didn’t like this book and why i felt this book would send a VERY wrong message to these impressionable less experienced young ladies. When you have been in an abusive relationship or are in the field of helping these women/ men leave these relationships, maybe you might understand why. Thank you Natalia for bringing up this issue. All of the media going on about how these books are selling, husbands are happy, sex toys are selling and even companies getting in on the bandwagon promoting their products/ services with a twist or a hint of this crap mixed in has me really worried.

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  9. Mel B

    I read the book and while some of the ‘vanilla’ sex scenes were ok, I felt uncomfortable with the tone of the book and what it represented. I saw a friend posted on facebook “men, if you want to know what women want, read 50 shades of grey” and thought NOOOO. This is not the type of relationship that should be celebrated. I am a high school teacher and have seen many girls from year 10 upwards reading this – I hope they will not use this as a blueprint for future relationships.

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  10. carla83

    I have not read the book.

    I was emotionally, socially, almost physcially abused in a past relationship that ended in 2008. I am still suffering from it. Still feel that I don’t deserve to be angry. Still suffer from trying to make sure everyone likes me, so many different feelings. Any book that uses this as a plot and does nothing to say ‘this is not the right way to be in a relationship’ is not a book I will read or recommend.

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  11. jd

    I hated the first book for this reason but went on to read all 3 to see what all the fuss is about and the books and the plot thickens as to why he is this way and why he changes. Like all things in life nothing is black and white and I think the title “50 shades of grey” explains that quite well.
    Also it is FICTION

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  12. Myesha Lily

    Ha, I think it may possible but at first you wanna learn how to abuse a man. Or if you already know that sounds how to keep a man interested on relationship. I thin k it’s may better to solve the single women problem quickly. Thanks! :)
    http://womanmenpursue.com/

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    • roberta

      How do you abuse a man? and keep him interested when you are abused and want some sort of answers on what to do I will never get out but some pay back would be nice

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    • robertal

      myesha lily
      I wanna learn how to abuse a man to keep a man interested on our relationship

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  13. Laura Alfonsin

    The fact is you can’t change them…unfortunately bad behaviours are often more difficult to change…specially emotionally abusives…they’ll make you think they’ll change but they won’t, or else they’ll make you think it’s your fault…

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  14. Anonymous

    I am recently out of an emotionally abusive relationship and I found the book ‘Why does he do that? Inside the minds of angry and controlling men’ by Lundy Bancroft invaluable and would highly recommend it.

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    • Yeah!

      I also recommend ‘Why is it Always About You?’ by Sandy Hotchkiss.

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  15. Cordeline

    I caved recently and started to read that book. I found it awful and there is no way I could finish it. He is a very scary character and I can’t understand how anyone would ever find the sex scenes erotic if they were thinking about his troublesome personality.

    Not for me. At all.

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  16. Armband

    “How many idiotic, weak women are going to waste their lives on some emotionally retarded prick because they’ve read shit like this and think this kind of fucked-up fairytale will come true for them?”

    This kind of talk makes my skin crawl. How can people rail against sexist portrayals of relationships and still come up with this garbage?
    The answer to this rhetorical question is “probably none”. Does the author (who is, I note, not the author of this piece) really think that the world is full of weak, idiotic and impressionable women?
    It’s porn. Most people understand that and are capable of experiencing it with a modicum of detachment. This moral panic, sky-is-falling talk is far more sexist and idiotic than what they’re complaining about.

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  17. Flutterby

    No one else can change another person.

    I do believe people can change if they want to, however emotionally abusive people are usually damaged and don’t have the self-awareness to change.

    This doesn’t mean you can get involved with someone and it will all be good.
    I find both series, 50 and Twilight repulsive for lots of reasons.

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  18. 10pm

    Just a book = porn is just a movie. If you are ok with that, cool.

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  19. Kara Johnson

    I must say I really agree with this article! After the first book I thought the relationship was si destructive it could only end with one of them killing the other! Boy was I pissed when I continued to read ONLY to see how it would end and it was all sunshine & rainbows. If you want to live that life fine, but the abuse in these books is so bad & she’s right when she says people could think that it’s “ok” or normal!

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  20. Julie

    My husband told me he got all barred up reading that. I don’t understand?

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    • seaghan

      You don’t understand your husband?

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    • Anonymous

      that he barred up over reading a meme that Ok’s it to abuse women?

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  21. clarinette

    Kind, caring and empathetic women are generally the ones who can’t even imagine that a person can be entirely bad.But on the other hand you know who calls empathy a weakness? Yeah that’s right.

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  22. amyfizzer

    I read the books. Enjoyed them for what they are; poorly written, trashy escapism that I found that I wanted to finish but not sure why.

    What scares me, and what this article makes a point of, is this……

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    • sharoncello

      I saw this a few days ago – frightening :(

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    • Yeah!

      Very frightening!

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  23. Cait

    Hallelujah! I felt uncomfortable throughout the whole book for this reason. The 4th book should be about how they break up, he starts stalking her, she has to take out an AVO against him and eventually she has to move cities to avoid him or worse…

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    • anon fo rthis

      yep , thats how it goes….
      and she finds her inner REAL goddess and , meets guy that has been treated just as badly and then the have a beautiful romance based on kindness and giving and laughing and mutual joy.

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  24. THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE

    MY FATHER PHYSICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY ABUSIED OUR FAMILY UNTIL HE WAS TOO OLD, AND FRANKLY TOO OLD FOR US TO ACCEPT IT ANYMORE. WE HAVE HAD A LONG IE MORE THAN TEN YEAR BREAK AND NOW THAT WE KNOW HE IS DYING HAVE A TENUOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. I HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH POST TRAUMATIC SYNDROME BECAUSE OF THIS AND OFTEN WAKE UP WITH NIGHT TERRORS AND I AM NEARLY 50. SO, NO, YOU CAN’T CHANGE THESE PEOPLE – IN MY OPINION.

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  25. NO

    NO

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  26. Anna

    Real life is often far more sordid, scary and confusing than fiction.

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  27. Shelby

    What a fecking stupid comment.

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  28. pJ

    The scary thing is that our fantasies reveal so much about who we see ourselves as.
    So you find being pushed around and controlled by an abusive male a turn on?- and forget the young handsome billionaire thing- if its the dominance that turns you on- the lack of control, ownership of sexuality, and own desires,you might want to explore that further, before you find yourself further down this path of secret submission.
    -your friendly psychologist.

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  29. Shelby

    I’m in an abusive relationship with a man that our children adore. We have 4 kids together and he has 2 more from a previous marriage. Our four kids were born in 6 years, and I’m still breastfeeding the youngest. I’m perpetually tired.

    He has OCD and on multiple occasions has dragged me around the house by my head, pointing out how messy the house is and how I could be keeping it tidier/cleaner. He pushes me over sometimes too.

    He spend the majority of his time working and at the pub. Usually coming home semi intoxicated on most nights.

    I have no access to our finances. All property is in his name.

    He has threatened me if I ever leave.

    We no longer have sex because I can’t bring myself to do it when he treats me like this.

    He hasnt always been abusive and I find myself clinging onto the past and how he treated me then.

    I don’t know what to do. My head tells me to leave. My heart makes me stay.

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    • Sian Morton

      Shelby, talk to a trusted GP (book a long consult) or call the 24 hour domestic violence line for advice:

      For information, support and referrals, call the 24 hour Domestic Violence Line on 1800 65 64 63.

      I am sure you will find it helpful to talk to someone.

      This number will not appear on your telephone bill.

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      • Shelby

        Thanks Sian,

        I probably should have added that I am currently seeing a psychologist. He has advised me to try and work through our issues for the sake of the children.

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        • Sian Morton

          I am glad you have support. I hope all goes well for you.

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        • beansbeansthemagicalfruit

          Shelby, is it possible to go see a different psychologist to see what they advise? I’m not a medical professional but the advice you’ve been given just sounds horribly wrong to me. Kids pick up on what’s going on with their parents no matter how well we may try to hide it. Staying in a physically and emotionally abusive relationship on their behalf doesn’t benefit them. Too many people have made comments on here in various articles from the perspective of growing up in an abusive household and the common theme always seems to be they wished their parents had separated or at least sooner than they did. I know it’s easier said than done but please try to at least seek a second opinion, if even just calling the number Sian gave you. xo

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          • Kara

            Totally agree, always get a second or third opinion. It’s not just about the children, it’s about your sanity and self-worth. No one deserves this kind of treatment ever!!!!!!! I know because I am in an emotionally abusive relationship too, but I have the support through the council and working to build up the courage and strength to walk out the door and not look back. I know that sounds lame but at least I know that that is where I will be heading for myself and for my children’s sake.

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        • sharoncello

          Shelby, I agree with beansbeansthemagicalfruit – your current situation makes me very uneasy. You and your kids are worth a second opinion – take care :)

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        • Mmm

          Shelby, I accidentally ‘liked’ your comment about the psychologist telling you to try to make it work. But I actually don’t agree – I think you need a second opinion. Good Luck – you deserve more than this man.

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          • Sian Morton

            I also agree with these comments, Shelby.

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        • Anonymous

          There is a lot of pretty average psych’s out there. It doesn’t sound like this guy is really giving you the best advice from what you have said.

          As above, see your GP tell her what is going on, including the advice from your current psych

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        • Carz

          Shelby, please find a different psychologist or look for counselling through a domestic violence service. While you say your partner is emotionally abusive you have made it clear that he is also physically abusive. You children will be happier when they know that their mother is safe and not being treated like crap by their father. I know this because I have been through an abusive relationship. My kids are happier, doing better in school and are more connected socially. They also know where they stand in their father’s life. As someone once said to me, it is better for children to be from a broken home than in one.

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    • sparkie

      Please Shelby , get some other advice. Your children see , hear and are affected by your situation. Of course you are aware of this.

      Also if you decide to leave some planning will be needed , at least investigate what help is available.

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    • erinsy

      Hi shelby,

      Firstly im so sorry that you and your children are in the situation you are in.
      Secondly, the psychologist that you are seeing is an idiot and telling you to remain in an abusive relationship, endangering your own life and those of your children is a breach of ethics.
      You need to see a psychologist that will help you.
      You HAVE to leave. he will not change and every second you are still there, damage is being done to you and your children.
      My father was hugely abusive in every aspect. im in my mid twenties now and still suffer greatly because of that. Despite having gone to therapy for 6 years, i will never not have had that horror to deal with.
      also, im currently studying psychology and social work and everything says that you need to get out.
      there are places and people that can help you shelby. you need to get out. now.

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      • Carz

        I know where you are coming from but it is actually really unhelpful for women who are living with intimate partner violence to be told they HAVE to leave the relationship. I know that I was well aware of the damage my kids were suffering because of how abusive their father was to me, as most women in similar situations are. But that knowledge has to fight against so many other messages that have been internalised over their life time. Messages like “children need their father’, or the ones that say responsibility for maintaining the relationship falls on the woman. Not to mention the practicalities like somewhere to go, money to live on, access to all the necessary documentation for starting over again. If it was really as simple as Just leave” then most people in abusive relationships would have done so.

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    • Guest

      Have a look at this website and sign up for their emails and chat to them on their forums, etc:
      http://www.narcissismcured.com/abusive-relationship-help.html
      There IS a light at the end of the tunnel. Good luck!

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    • Rosie

      Hi Shelby,
      I agree with the other comments. Please contact the Domestic Violence line. It is very helpful. Also speak to a female GP about what is going on, and get a second opinion. All states have free legal advice for women which is helpful given your concerns about your children and finances.
      I am a GP- we often help women in abusive relationships and also help connect women with the specialised DV services. Your GP cannot and would not tell your husband about your consultation.
      Take care.

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    • Guest

      Hi Shelby
      I appreciate what everyone else is saying and I would otherwise agree, however you said he wasn’t alway like “that”! Do you think something is going on with him at the moment, could he be suffering depression, severe anxiety which encapsulates paranoia, some ocd tendencies, short temper, guilt, have you noticed changes in his general behavior, well being! I’m only asking this because my husband went through all of this, he started courieing and the urgent time frames the traffic the long hours time away from his family and trying to quit smoking in there somewhere changed him completely into so done that none of his family new, this brought up unresolved issues from his childhood, now that we’re all aware of it we’re all working through it, now having said all that if I decided at that time to see a physiologist who suggested I “get out” I would have left my husband and broken up the family not knowing that he was in fact suffering and needed support, help, guidance, love and reassurance! “getting out” is not always the answer, while I appreciate that some relationship are extremely violent and dangerous for all (growing up with disfunctional alcoholic parents myself) we must be careful to read the person words before we jump straight to “getting out” we need to learn where they’re coming from, possible reasons why this has started happening, Shelbys may have told her Dr more then what she has written for us to read, I can see that she’s crying out for help but we must be sure to give her positive help on ways to confront and talk to her husband and things to try and others to steer clear of, if I took all the advise that I listening to I would have walked out out and I think that would have sent my husband into a down would spiral. Shelby honey you need positive reassurance and help, it’s not you, there’s a monster I side him at the moment and with your help he may come out of it, be calm be assured of yourself, try to explain to the kids that mum and dad are under a lot of pressure at the moment and not to feel like its their fault, reassure them that it’s not forever, try to talk to your husband in a non judgemental, sarcastic harsh tone, tell him how you feel when he does that stuff and how it might effect the the kids, just be positive, ask if he’s ok! But if you feel like none of this is for you then by all means seek help on trying to “get out”, good luck and take care and remember its not you, people act in all kinds of ways to cover up personal issues and insecureties and we must try hard to detach ourselves from that.

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      • Kara

        Dear Guest,
        I appreciate your honesty regarding your relationship. (Again I am in a similar situation but not physically just emotionally and seeking help and advise through councelling). To get to the root of all problems, you have to first admit you have a problem. That goes for both partners. But to be dragged around the house because it’s messy, that’s a no-no ever. Hello???? That is not even normal behaviour unless you live with the apes in caves 30,000 years ago. The minute any type of abuse becomes obvious you cannot go to your children and tell them it’s not their fault. They will not comprehend even if they are nodding to you saying they understand. My children are 6.8.10 and they don’t want the fighting and the screaming anymore. They love their dad only because he is their dad! Thats all. But they are also saying stop, so if Shelby’s or anyone else’s husband/partner/father is abusive, yes get out!!!!!! But when you do, make sure you don’t look back nor feel guilty. It’s not worth it, life is way too short. Put the effort into watching your children grow up. Don’t spend time coddling him, asking him whats wrong, if he hasn’t the balls to be a real kind and loving man then she should hand him a dictionary on her way out the door! He can look up the meanings himself!!!!!!! No offense intended here just my opinion.

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        • Guest

          I reiterate that Sheldy said he hasn’t always been like that and whilst it’s not ok to physically mentally and emotionally abuse anyone, do you turn your back on someone that may be in need of help but hasn’t the ability to stand up and say it or ask for it, in general as a husband, the one that’s supposed to protect his family, head his family (in some cases sole provider) think about how hard it could be for them to “need help!” Again I’m not condoning this nor is it coddling him, it’s taking into consideration that people go through changes and act in different ways and to abandon them without investigating i believe is irresponsible, if he was like that from the beginning yes “get out”, let’s say for arguments sake that with Shelby having just had baby number four is suffering severe post natal depression and doesn’t want her newborn baby her other children or her husband (it can happen) and she refuses to talk about her feelings and what she’s going through, would you advise her husband to leave and take her family away from her without investigating first! I say again I’m not condoning this however we should be giving people positive advise and techniques on how to cope for a period of time that will allow them to try and find out what is going on! I don’t understand why kids only love their father because he is only their father…….”he is their father”…….kids are resilient and if you communicate with them and reassure them then the whole family can get through. One reader said that it can be detrimental to give the “get out” advise if there really is no means of support for them to turn to, this is true, try to give positive support first and if it’s not improving or getting worse then you’ll find the means! We can perpetuate things in our head especially when fatigue is involved, imagine the implications of Shelby trying to remove herself from this situation with a newborn and five other children two not being her biological children, imagine the strain that would put on the children along! Again I’m not condoning the behavior but merely being realistic without placing judgment to any other writer! I’m sure Shelby is a strong confident controlled women who at the moment is in a less then admirable situation with fatigue blurring her vision, but with positive reassurance and true support from fellow readers I’m sure we can all help her through this time, and Shelby if all else false hit him back!

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          • pauline22

            Dear Guest,
            Please don’t encourage women to stay with a violent man. If they need to sort out the relationship they can do it on neutral territory when they meet up for counseling. Her staying with him is only telling him it is OK to behave like that.
            She can stay somewhere with the children where she can be safe until HE sorts out HIS problems.

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  30. Anthea W

    I haven’t read the book, although I found the emotional abuse/dominance and co-dependence in the Twilight books – and its acceptance by our culture – disturbing. I also didn’t like the “let me demonstrate my love for you by hurting and humiliating you, Darling” relationship in The Story of O, the 1954 classic BDSM novel by Pauline Réage but at least it was well-written, never pretended to be anything other than a BDSM novel and the heroine was perfectly happy with the way everything was going. Plus the guy loved her, despite a having a beyond-wierd way of showing it.

    For a film that features BDSM within an loving, equal relationship, check out “Secretary” (2002), starring James Spader and Maggie Gyllenhaal. I like this film a lot. Embracing her inner masochist is how Maggie’s character actually empowers herself and steps out into the light. The film reminds us that many happy, healthy couples have BDSM as a facor in their relationship and it does not need to be abusive.

    I thought I’d finish with prescient quote from another classic BDSM novel, “Venus in Furs” (1870),
    “That woman…as man at present is educating her, is man’s enemy. She can only be his slave or his despot, but never his companion. This she can become only when she has the same rights as he and is his equal in education and work.” – Leopold von Sacher-Masoch

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    • Simone

      I really enjoyed ‘Secretary’. I thought it was an interesting, brave film. Of course, the crush I have on James Spader helps, too! :-)

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    • Faybian

      I read the story of O years ago and one book was enough. I don’t think I’d have the fortitude to go through 3. I’ve also read some anais nin as well and to be quite honest I think erotica by its very nature can be disturbing as it quite often pushes our boundaries, showing how far the imagination can run.
      If the “shades of grey” series features a similar relationship to that in the twilight series I don’t know if I actually want to make the effort.

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  31. Chrissy

    I’m not going to discuss my past abusive relationship (both emotional and physical and no, you cannot change them even if you really truly love them) because I have done so previously on this blog. I am simply going to say this:

    This book started out as fan fiction for Twilight.

    Twilight is a book that also has an abusive relationship at its core, as well as some pretty fucked up subversive messages like have pre-marital sex and you will die.

    So it should not come as any surprise that these books (which admittedly I refuse to read) also celebrate abusive relationships.

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    • lala

      I read the first & third of the 50SOG books as a friend really wanted to discuss them (tellingly, I felt I missed nothing of the storyline – if you can call it that – by not reading the middle book – that to me says volumes about how shit a trilogy is!!), thank god I didn’t pay any money, just borrowed them. You have hit the nail on the head with your “Celebration of Abusive Relationships” statement.
      It amazes me that more people don’t see past the “good looking/rich” exterior painted on the male lead character in both the Twi and 50SOG books. And I am quite stunned about how women just fall over swooning about these characters and ignore the hyper-controlling psycho-stalker-rapist qualities the male characters exude, all because the author justifies the abusive crap dished out on the premise the male character is doing it because he lurrvveeess the female victim.
      UGH!!! It is sooooo archaic and wrong!!

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  32. Yeah!

    For those in the ‘it’s only a book camp’, this is not about YOU.

    If you enjoyed it and are able to not take it literally, that’s great. But there are young, impressionable girls and women out there whose minds this book is going to tamper with. I just know it. And that’s frightening (and upsetting) to me.

    Of course, there are lots of nasty, mind-bending books, films etc. out there. (Someone mentioned American Psycho, which often comes sealed in plastic because it’s so graphic.) But the trouble with 50 Shades is the overwhelming popularity of it. I reckon if I were a teenager, because of the hype, I’d read it. And I’d probably think that if millions of women found it sexy, I need to find it sexy, too. Otherwise, there must be something wrong with/prudish about me. And I come from a good family with a great sex education! What about the kids who don’t? It worries me.

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    • Guest

      “But the trouble with 50 Shades is the overwhelming popularity of it. I reckon if I were a teenager, because of the hype, I’d read it. And I’d probably think that if millions of women found it sexy, I need to find it sexy, too. Otherwise, there must be something wrong with/prudish about me. And I come from a good family with a great sex education! What about the kids who don’t? It worries me.”

      I agree with you wholeheartedly!

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  33. anon mum

    Wow, interesting discussions going on here! I’m a Mum of 2, I’ve been with my emotionally/mentally/physically stable husband for 20 years. I am loving this trilogy for what it is – a bit of escapism. It is not well written, and the plot is thin, but I am getting some great ideas to use in the bedroom!!! not all books (especially the fiction ones!) need to be taken seriously or put under a microscope and picked to pieces.There are millions of books out there with terrible story lines and dysfunctional relationships. Good on you, E.L James for creating such a stir!!

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    • silentlyscreaming

      It’s inevitable that it will be picked to pieces is because of its immense popularity right now. And while it’s good that some can see it as a work of (poorly written) fiction, the problem is that some won’t. There may be vulnerable women/young adults/teenagers who are reading this book, but who are unable to see the main relationship for what it is, and that’s a scary thought, because it certainly isn’t a healthy adult relationship.

      A bit of escapism is great, for those of us who can tell the difference, I think the problem is for those who can’t…

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      • Anonymous

        People on this board are commenting quite a lot that teenagers will be reading this and influenced?

        As a mother with a teenage daughter I have a responsibility to ensure my daughter does not read this as it is not age appropriate. It’s called “parenting”.

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        • Kris2040

          Just because you don’t know about it doesn’t mean she’s not seeing it.

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          • Julz

            When I was at school we passed around The Godfather at lunchtime to read the sexy parts. I don’t think it marked us. But my main point is, Mum, be realistic, this book is going around every school. Unless you stalk your daughter every day, she is probably going to have a look.

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        • anon

          Um … how are you going to avoid her getting her hands on it via a schoolmate? That was how all the most talked about books made their way through the parental gatekeeping system when I was at school.

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        • polly

          Just out of curiousity, how are you going to stop your teenage daughter from reading it?

          She does have access to the internet, right?

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          • Anonymous

            We actually moderate our internet for our kids. So at home – she won’t have access but you’re all right she may see it at school or through friends.

            That being said bringing up our girls and boys for that matter with mutual respect and self-confidence in addition to open communication with us as parents will lead them down a path that is healthy and happy.

            Any parent can only hope for that!

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        • silentlyscreaming

          Having once been a sneaky teenager, I wouldn’t assume that my daughter couldn’t get a copy simply because we didn’t allow it.

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          • Hoy

            Of course. My teenager got her hands on this book from her friends at school, they all read it!
            I just used it as an example by telling her it was the perfect example of chic lit…all fantasy. A very similar talk I had with my teenage son about porn, they get to see everything these days and you can do nothing about it actually.

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            • Carz

              Please don’t brand this travesty of a book as chick lit (or lit of any kind). It is erotic fantasy, or just plain erotica. If you want chick lit check out Ilsa Evans or Marian Keyes.

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        • sharoncello

          Hi Anonymous,

          I agree with you that as parents we do have this responsibility…

          …but open your eyes and have a good look around. Not all teenagers are parented that way and I’m concerned that those that have unfettered access to the book won’t have a ‘responsible’ parent to talk to about it.

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        • Nat

          Teenagers being teenagers will always find a way to hide some things from their parents. I remember sneakily reading the Jackie Collins books and juicy bits in anything we could find…. The Godfather, Jaws, Lace! My parents had no idea…and they were very attentive parents.

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    • macmamma

      i am with you anon mum….after having 2 kids, and no sex for almost 9 months… these books gave me inspiration….c’mon people, its not going to win a pulitzer prize anytime soon….. enjoy it for what it is…. pure escapism.

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  34. Andrea

    It’s a novel. Many people read a novel to while away the time. They choose to spend their money on it. I cannot believe people are taking these stories soooo seriously. It’s a made up story. Like most books. I really feel for the author when people criticize the book because it is not literature!!!! This book has never been promoted as literature. It started as a blog, became an online novel and women all over the world went nuts for it. Thus the paper publication. Let the fact that books are number 1, 2 and 3 on most best sellers lists. If you don’t like, don’t agree with it…..then don’t bloody read it. Read something that you think you would like and stop trying to make people feel less or unintelligent for like this ‘story’!!!!!

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    • Anonymous

      I do question the intelligence and emotional state of women who find this kind of “fantasy” an exciting turn on though. Is it just because he is a ridiculously good looking billionare who buys his “submissive” designer clothes and lavishes her? If you stripped that away and he was fat and bald, would women then just see it for the unsexy controlling relationship it actually is? I am genuinely interested.

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      • Anonymous

        Ummmm – thats the beauty with books – you can use your imagination and the characters can look like whomever you want them to!

        Maybe thats why so many women love it! I personally love the idea that he is a 26yr old good looking billionaire who is emotionally wounded yet strong and controlling at times. Would I love to experience this in real life – NO – Thats why I read it – for escapism!

        Has it spiced up my love life? Absolutely, I get turned on by the story and the “naughty bits”. Am I willing to try any of them? Absolutely! I went down to a “porn” shop the other day and was supposed that they don’t have a “50 Shades” package for women with a whip, silver balls and restraints!

        They have said that their stock is selling out due to the books.

        What on earth is wrong with trying new things – if you don’t like it then lets hope your in a relationship where you can say no and it’s respected. But as far as I am concerned by husband and I are two consenting adults with open communication about trying new things.

        From the comments on this board seems like there’s a lot that aren’t!

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        • Lucinda

          So you find it a turn on then that he is controlling? That he pushes her around and takes advantage of her and she is so spineless and pathetic she likes it?

          Or is it really just the good looking billionare thing? Good looking billionare I get… but if you take that away, he is a pervert that would make everyones stomach turn.

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          • Mandy

            Agree with the sentiments Lucinda but I would say Ana is so spineless and pathetic because she actually hates the BDSM! Yet she stays because he’s a hot millionaire and she’s got such low esteem she feels she can’t get anyone else. It’s said over and over again page after boring page…

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  35. alyssakt

    I don’t agree with the argument that “it’s just a book” – books (both fiction and non-fiction) have played huge roles in shaping popular culture, value systems and beliefs for as long as humans have been publishing them. Books are powerful. Books encourage thought and broaden knowledge.

    Envying a character who allows herself to be mistreated by a man just because he is hot and rich and she has low self-worth is hardly encouraging healthy relationships. Yes, it’s fiction- but when you’re engrossed in a book the story can feel very real…

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    • Erin

      I just finished a book about marrying rich men for their houses in the hamptons. It was sending the message that women are happier with lots of money. Doesn’t mean I’m going to search for a man with over 5 mill in the bank. Everyone is saying its just a book because it’s JUST a BOOK!

      I do agree with the comment that it was badly written, and the words inner goddess and ‘my sex’ were over used!

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      • Dkmum

        I fully agree with you.
        I can’t speak for all women and I certainly know of women who blaim themselves for their partners’ abusive tendencies, but I don’t think these women would act/think differently whether they had read the book or not.
        I can’t think of an individual in my group of friends and acquaintances who can’t separate fiction from real life, whether they are in healthy or abusive relationships. So often we are blinded by our own reality, even when it’s thrown in our face.

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      • alyssakt

        Erin, your intelligence should mean you’re also aware that there are a lot of people not as smart as you, who are more susceptible to outside influence?
        I watched horror movies when I was a little kid and thought they were hilarious and ridiculous and never had a nightmare- that doesn’t mean I would recommend all 6 year olds watch Freddy Kruger.

        Yes, it’s “just a book” – but the messages may negatively affect some vulnerable or gullible souls. No one is saying it should be banned (that I know of) but the ideologies should be discussed…

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      • alyssakt

        Yep, Kris, I’ve been talking about that with friends too.
        After the disappointments of other huge over-hyped bestsellers like Da Vinci Code, Twilight and Eat, Pray, Love I promised myself to never read another book that is largely popular with people who don’t read books!

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  36. Lucinda

    This a great article. I notice a lot of people are crying “oh but it’s just fiction, it’s just fantasy, it’s not a blueprint for a real relationship”…

    Well I will offend by saying it, but I cannot see what could possibly be a turn on or good fodder for a fantasy in this abusive relationship between Ana and Grey. I am sorry, but I just can’t believe that so many women find it sexy. There is something very wrong with being turned on by a man who is controlling, possessive, a stalker and borderline physically abusive. I just don’t get it.

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  37. Maureen

    Lighten up for heavens sake. Many emotive words by the above author over a fictional book. I still remember being upset by the banning and then altering of Enid Blyton’s, Noddy series.
    Maybe not a great metaphor by seriously if fiction affects some this badly then maybe they are 50 shades******.

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  38. Anon

    I have to say I loved all 3 books! Educated, working, happily married mother of 3, I found them a great read. Best books I’ve read in a long time (I read a lot and until now had never read ‘erotica’ if this is what you want to call it), and there is so much more to them than sex. I find it very interesting to see what parts of the book people are complaining about, but you really need to read all 3 to get the picture. That’s why it’s a trilogy!

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    • lala

      There is some excellent, well structured, erotica fiction out there, I would be interested to see what you think of the 50 trilogy if you get to read some books by other authors! I had read the Sookie Stackhouse “True Blood” books (amongst others) well before reading 50SOG, and whilst I really enjoyed reading them (book four has some great sex scenes!), they weren’t particularly well written. However after reading the 50 Trilogy, they make the Sookie books look like absolute literary masterpieces in comparison.
      For what its worth, I didnt even read the 2nd book of the 50SOG trilogy, and felt like I didn’t miss a single thing that I couldn’t pick up in book 3. LOL!

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  39. Loretta

    Have not read it. Have no intention of reading it. On Facebook I follow ’50 Shades Of Brown – Werribee Edition’. Very silly. Funny as!

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  40. Jo Behlau

    I also stumbled across and shared this review of 50 Shades… day’s ago!!!
    So the conversations on the characters’ relationship and emotional abuse have been going on.
    I’m suprised that you’re still talking about this Mamamia. I’m over it. Isn’t everyone over it by now.
    Let’s move on to something else please.

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  41. Jo Hilder

    What baffles me is how someone can fall over themselves to get a book like this, spend their money on it, invest hours of their otherwise productive time reading it, then dismiss it in the face of its critics by saying “oh, it’s just a piece of fluff!”

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    • Rosieisamummy(of2)

      You don’t make much of a point. Lots of things which require pursuit and a time investment can still feel like a waste.

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  42. anon for this-

    I couldnt get past the first 10 chapters. And the only discussion we are having around this book is how abusive it is to women, and setting up a climate for women to define their sexuality around being mistreated.
    Its a literary version of penthouse- and perpetuates the male fantasy women want to be treated roughly, like possessions and are not whole people in their own right.
    I am a teacher and unfortunately 14 and 15 yr old girls are reading this. Another generation being groomed for abuse.

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  43. Mumabulous

    In my 20s and early 30s I learnt the hard way that if a man is not treating you respect and consideration he never will.
    On a lighter note my issues with 50 Shades are that 1) Grey is a billionaire by age 26 and its not explained how & 2) Ana is a college graduate and a virgin – WTF. That is really beyond the pale.
    http://mum-abulous.com/2012/07/12/50-shades-of-earl-grey/

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    • Mandy

      ..also Ana a 21 year old uni student in the 21st century must be the first to have got by without, you know, a laptop, mobile and email address…

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    • L

      Exactly. … Women who sleep with men straight away will never have the respect they so badly crave from men. Simply don’t sell yourself short and don’t give into a man to quickly. Men always want a woman who he has to work hard to get and one that does not put out easily. Respect … You have to earn it ladies .

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      • P

        Oh please! I waited 3 days to have sex with the man who is now my husband. Years later we now have 2 children and are very happy. Plenty of respect around here. Can’t bear sweeping moral statements such as yours. Not everyone operates in the same way!

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      • Melsie

        ‘Give in’ to a man? I don’t get that logic. What are we giving in to? Consensual enjoyable sex between two people isn’t about anyone ‘giving in’ on anything. Weird.

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        • L

          Melsie most blokes do not respect their one night stands. Sumple advise if you want to be respected do t put out straight away. He will most likely just think of you as another conquest. Lord no wonder there are so many single women and men that won’t commit to them.

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          • Melsie

            Who’s talking about one night stands? Guess what, me & my now husband had sex on the first night we met. Shock. Horror. We’ve been together four years now and it is the most loving & respectful relationship I have had the good fortune to experience. Oh, and I wasn’t ‘putting out’, I was having a damn fine time :)
            Your attitude sounds like it belongs in the 1950′s to me.

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            • L

              Would you teach your daughter to be like you and and sex with strangers I wonder.

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            • Melsie

              OMG the judgement! What I’ll teach my daughter is not to be ashamed of sex, or to use it as a bargaining tool, or to think that men only want sex. Jeez.

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            • Anonymous

              Melsie you must be so proud!.

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            • Melsie

              Of my cheap, cheap ways? :)

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            • Anonymous

              Cheap as chips melsie

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            • Melsie

              Charmed, I’m sure

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      • Anonymous

        I have to laugh out loud at this comment! I slept with my “now” husband on the first night. What a ridiculous comment. I have been married for 12 years with 4 children and consider myself one very happy individual.

        Am I to assume the same can’t be said for you?

        Sweeping statements like this help in the demise of women power.

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      • Simone

        Earn it? That’s a pretty rank attitude, right there. Respect goes both ways, buddy.

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        • Anonymous

          simonne, girls that sleep around with strangers very rarely get respected by men. Typically these men dont date these women. Yes I believe you earn respect from males and females. By selling yourself short you loose that respect. Very hard to get back..

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          • Hoy

            Anonymous, you are getting very silly here. I have taught my daughters to be very secure about their sexuality. There is nothing wrong with one night stands or having sex on the first date IF IT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. The ONLY time it becomes a problem is if you have sex for the wrong reasons. That could be many things such as being too drunk, giving in to pressure, feeling like you can’t say no, wanting a guy to pay you attention etc. Women have the same urges as men and want and enjoy sex very much. That might not mean it needs to be found only in a relationship at any given time.
            These silly old hat moral expectations are very unfair to throw pressure over women in general. Have you not heard of ‘pussy power’? The operative word being power. We have to teach our daughters to own their sexuality with all the liberation, fun, pleasure, power and independence it can bring. Not old fashioned, fear mongering and sometimes religious views. I cannot imagine any real man respecting that.

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            • Melsie

              Yeah!

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            • L

              Hoy, i had a friend who had plenty of one night stands , hell she had needs right? Only she woke up at 40 single all her life, plenty of experience , heaps of various men , and no love. She is very sad and wondering how this happened. All these men and not even one date… Ever..

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            • Sydgel

              L that probably would and could have happened if she never had a one night stand. She could have been in serious relationships and none of them worked out. Just because she hasn’t yet met the right man does not mean it was a consequence of one night stands. Get real!

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      • Sydgel

        That is so ancient thinking and really sexist. We are no longer in the 20th Century. Men who do think like that aren’t particularly attractive anyway.

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        • L

          The sad thing is she has never been asked out ever. Bigdifference to being in a relationship & it not lasting. Imagine having sex with at least 100 men and not one taking an interest in you. Sad.

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          • Kris2040

            Maybe she was happy with one nighters as well.
            Maybe the blokes were turned off by her gossipy friend who makes a big deal out of her having one night stands. Who knows?

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            • Anonymous

              Maybe even falling pregnant to one of these blokes…

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            • Kris2040

              Huh?

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        • Anonymous

          Still single sydgel?

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      • seaghan

        L, I’m a bloke and I have to say that you are wrong.

        While it’s true that SOME men don’t respect women who sleep with them on the first night, the vast majority don’t take this point of view.

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  44. Anonymous

    If your partner shows signs of being abusive , get out simple. Only a desperate woman with insecurity issues will hold on for dear life.

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    • anon

      good grief!

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    • Faybian

      Actually that should read:
      Only a desperate man with insecurity issues will be abusive and hang on for dear life. He should seek help and resolve his issues before he enters into a relationship. Simple.

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  45. Anonymous

    Not sure why you would waste your time writting this when you haven’t even read the following two books.
    These books are a bit of fun which clearly women all over the world are enjoying, lighten up a little not everything in life has to come back to such doom and gloom.
    If you are that stupid to let a fictional book serve as a guideline for relationships with men you need a wake up call!

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    • Me

      Perfectly said!

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    • anon for this

      many things are fictional- tv, movies, books, plays.
      Dont underestimate the power of suggestion in grooming and directing behaviour.
      Just ask any advertising agency…
      Popular doesnt equate to intelligent opinion. It equates to an opinion.

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    • Mandy

      Fun? Each to there own and all that.. What I thought was fun was reading this

      http://jenniferarmintrout.blogspot.com.au/p/jen-reads-50-shades-of-grey.html

      Anyone who thinks we should ‘lighten up’ about this book, please read it.

      Anonymous, I don’t think Nat, Katrina or anyone who has major problems with this book are in danger or using at as a guideline for relationships, rather I would say it’s women who enjoy the book. Those who are turned on by this…absolute TOOL of a man and who can sympathise with the amoeba who is Ana, who are most at risk.

      I don’t have a problem with the book, it’s the phenomenal success of it that makes me despair. It’s just another thing that reminds me we are truly living in a bizarre world. That en masse we humans are really quite stupid, never learn and will die out as enlightened as ever…

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      • lala

        The Jen Armintrout chapter reviews are completely brilliant!!

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        • Mandy

          I know, isn’t she brilliant! I still have to send her a message that I’ve linked to her blog. They are such a good read, so hilarious.

          Honestly, if people who are defending this book read Jennifer’s recaps surely the wool will be pulled from their eyes, surely?

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          • lala

            One would hope so Mandy – because even though Jens reviews are hilarious in tearing 50 to shreds, she really does hit on some of the insidious crap that ELJ tries to promote as desirable in a relationship in there. Hopefully more people read her recaps!!!

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      • sharoncello

        Thanks for posting this link Mandy – hilarious :D

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      • Mandy

        Unenlightened! I meant unenlightened as ever!

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  46. kersten

    No, they can’t change. Ever.

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    • kersten

      And more importantly, they don’t want to.

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      • clarinette

        The like button has disappeared but I want to tell you this anyway: yep. Why would they? they have all the power….it’s great fun apparently.

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  47. Julie

    I was a very dramatic romantic teen. Not stupid, but definitely naieve. At 15-16ish I started reading Mills and Boons Romances. I am embarrassed to admit although I knew it was FICTION, but i assumed names had been changed, quantity of money was fiction, i never knew that their portrayal of an adult relationship wasnt like it was un the books. I had no way of comparing it to real life because I WASN’T an adult! So if a boy seemed aloof and like he was using me, then that was a sure sign he was into me. If he seemed friendly, then he obviously wasn’t into me! Screwed up? Yes, but look at Grease, look at all the teen movies of the day, story everywhere was the girl had to change to fit the guy. My first serious relationship, lasted 4years (17-21) and he isolated me from friends, family, he was so emotionally abusive and more… I left him eventually, but I came out of it much more worse for wear. Do I blame the books? Not really, but I do wish someone had taken the time to tell me that the relationships portrayed in them were not healthy nor normal, today there is much more information available on what a healthy relationship should be so I hope that this book is balanced by that info, so I’m glad this review is here to balance the view. I’m only up to the 3rd chapter but already it’s just like a mills and boons romance

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  48. My husbands not complaining

    It’s a fictional book – not real life. That being said people will take out of it what they will and really – who cares. I fine it a classic that people are commenting when they haven’t even read the book(s).

    I love the books, and so does my husband (and he hasn’t read them!). I’m an intelligent, mother of 4, who works full time and is all for women power. I read it at bed time, then tap my husband on the shoulder for a little bit of action. We are both smiling.

    Why do we as a society always have to over analyse things? If you don’t like it or are offended by it don’t read it.

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    • Anonymous

      “I’m an intelligent, mother of 4, who works full time and is all for women power.”

      I see.

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      • Anonymous

        Sorry – I’m lost – what do you see?

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  49. Guest

    Been there done that with a man who was mentally abusive. Can’t change them unless they can see what they are doing and that involves more than talking to them. Never want to be in that kind of relationship again

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  50. Mel

    Omg it’s a book! Who cares?! Not every book has to have a ‘moral to this story is..’ Sometimes people just like to read to enjoy a story!

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