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by MIA FREEDMAN

Once upon a time, I was in an emotionally abusive relationship. And I didn’t even realise it. It was before the term even existed; back when our understanding of domestic abuse meant bruises or broken bones.

All I knew was that I felt desperately unhappy, horribly insecure, and painfully isolated. My self esteem was somewhere south of the gutter. I cried a lot. And yet I thought I was in love. But what a twisted, toxic, destructive love it was.

Eventually I found the strength to walk away and with every step my confidence increased and the mysterious hold he’d had over me became harder to fathom. How had I let myself sink to that point? Why did I let someone treat me so badly? On paper, I had the power in the relationship. I was financially independent, had a strong support network, a great job. I considered myself intelligent, street smart, confident. Yet still I stayed with a total jerk, tethered to him by chains that existed only in my mind.

There was no law that could have protected me from that relationship. The line between shitty behaviour and criminal behaviour was never crossed or even defined. I had to get to the point where I realised that I had the power to walk away [update: for those asking, I wrote extensively about my emotionally abusive relationship with 'Charlie' in my book: Mamamia, a memoir of magazines, mistakes and motherhood - which you can buy online here. or download as an ebook here]

And so it is with trolls.

Everyone has their own definition of ‘troll’ and in truth there’s a broad spectrum of troll behaviour from the relatively harmless stirrers to the most vicious bile-spewing abusers.

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Charlotte Dawson

The internet is simply a microcosm of life: most people are polite, many are awesome and a tiny minority are ratbags. The difference is that in real life, you can gravitate towards the awesome people and choose to avoid the ratbags. On social media however,  the ratbags gravitate to you, particularly when you have a public profile. And unwittingly, you carry them around in your pocket and bring them into your home inside your computer.  Trolls are heady with this power, intoxicated by the idea they can capture the attention – however briefly and negatively -  of someone they could never hope to meet.

The higher your profile, the more of them jostle for your attention. Because that’s what they want. That’s ALL they want.

I’m not suggesting Channel 7 hold a telethon for people in the public eye who have to read offensive comments on Twitter. No need to send flowers or donate at your nearest bank. But the environment, tone and boundaries we establish on social media as a society have implications for everyone. How do we deal with this and what are we prepared to accept?

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Robbie Farah, who complained about trolls this week

I nearly didn’t write this column after reading the thoughts of author and blogger Sam de Brito this week because I didn’t want to come across like a precious whinger. In a column called “Media darlings need a new sense of perspective”, he argued that people in the public eye like football player Robbie Farah and Charlotte Dawson who complain about trolls need to harden up. “We counsel crying children with ‘names can never hurt you’, yet grown-ups….confuse the same silly names for weapons, online insults for violence and Twitter mockery for attempted murder.” In short: suck it up Princesses. He’s right in some ways. As much as I loathe trolls and sympathise with anyone who has to deal with them, I was surprised when Farrah called a press conference to complain about some offensive tweets and more surprised when NSW premier Barry O’Farrell immediately pledged to get his police commissioner onto it. “Honestly, these clowns who hide behind their keyboards in their mothers’ basements thinking that they can send offensive messages … we’ve got to empower police with the ability to replace their keyboards with handcuffs” the commissioner said later that day.

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However as Sam de Brito rightly pointed out, making threats of violence via any medium is already a crime and you can’t feasibly legislate against cruelty or being a dickhead. And can the police do everything? “There are thousands of women – and children – out there being physically bashed and abused in real life” declared Sky News host Janine Perret on PM Live. “I want our police to use their limited resources to catch those bad guys instead of wasting precious time hunting down anonymous idiots who say nasty things from behind a computer screen.”

I agree with all those arguments, which is why I’ve come to believe that legislation can’t stop trolls. Only we can. Because without the oxygen supplied by their targets, a troll melts, just like the witch in the Wizard Of Oz.  Overwhelmingly on social media, people are good and for me the positivity of Twitter far outweighs any trollish negatives. Perhaps if collectively we pledge not to feed the trolls with our attention and simply block and delete them, they’ll eventually shuffle back to the basement. Or grow up and find a more constructive hobby. As Tracy Grimshaw said last week: “If a troll shrieks in the forest and no one hears them, do they make a noise? No.”

That’s why I’m all about ‘block, report, delete’ these days. I don’t even read the bad stuff anymore. I just walk away, like I did from another type of abuse all those years ago.

POSTSCRIPT: Two weeks ago Mamamia implemented a new comments policy (you can read about it here) in order to change the vibe around here and nuke some of the negativity and mean-spirited comments that were the consequence of recent traffic growth. A few days later, we decided to pre-moderate comments, something we should have done long ago. The transformation was almost instant. We are now moderating in close to real time but nasty, aggressive or irrelevant comments are now not seeing the light – or getting any oxygen from us. It’s made Mamamia a far nicer place to visit and work and traffic has only increased. Lesson learnt.

Have you ever been in an emotionally abusive relationship? How did you get out? Have you ever been trolled online?

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94 Comments so far

  1. Inc.

    Trog, I’m so sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you and yours find the peace, strength, kindness and support you need while you come to terms with it.

    I’m glad you continue to contribute round here, your insights, wit and turn of phrase are something I always enjoy. It would be too sad to lose you to the Troll List.

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    • Trog

      Inc. Thanks for kind words.

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  2. Trog

    I was very much in two minds as to whether I should write this post, as someone who’s had quite a few comments get deleted of late, I’m probably on the troll list. I’m a little dismayed to find myself there, but I think I know why – an anger had crept in to my commentary.

    Here is an explanation and an apology directed to Mia and team. A short while ago, someone very close to me committed suicide. A man. A good, kind man whose presence filled a room and who befriended anyone who came near him.

    I took it very badly. He left behind children, so I got angry at him, I got angry at his situation and I got angry at myself for not intervening.
    I got angry that there were no kind words for him when he so desperately needed them. The man who had a kind word for everybody.

    He chose a very messy method to go and my imagination kindly furnished me grisly imagery around this during quiet moments.

    I didn’t speak to anyone about all this and my grief and anger leaned in and gripped me by the throat. My anger began to leak out, at home and on this site. I needed people to be kind to each other. I particularly needed people to recognise that men were as frail as the next person and needed kindness.

    It became very plain to me that I have male friends who are in very dangerous situations.

    I forgot for a time that anger is rarely persuasive and is never welcome. I didn’t even quite recognise that anger had become my motif.

    So I ranted and railed on this site – and was ironically, occasionally unkind and unempathetic.

    So, to Mia, staff & audience, I’m very sorry if my commentary over this time effected you in a bad way.

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    • elle

      What a tragedy and a horrific loss. It is understandable you would be angry. Hope you have support to help you through a really difficult time.

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  3. C

    Hi mia…I just wanted to say-thank you for writing about this again. Reading an earlier post here on Mama Mia in fact helped me realise I was in an emotionally abusive relationship (thankfully very short lived) and leave.
    Your honesty and that of other readers of this site helped me (yep, a together, competent, professional, connected young woman) realise the reality of what was happening (no, it wasn’t in my head) and that I needed to call my friends and family (who were all interstate, I was very isolated at the time) who reassured me that I wasn’t going crazy and that I needed to leave.
    thank you x

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  4. Jil

    My father was emotionally abusive to me for all of my life. It’s taken until he died last year for me to realise it. No matter what I did to change myself (I always thought there was something wrong with me) it wasn’t good enough. Now I’m 40 years old and seeing a psychologist to help me work through it all. I’m at this stage where most of the time I feel so angry and hurt because of him but sometimes I just feel disappointed in him. It’s all progress!

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    • Anonymous

      Abuse from a father or mother is most devastating. When isolated by their abuse you can lose years of your life but i’m slowly learning that I cannot allow them to take any more from me. I’m 29 and feel i’ve lost nine years, or more, through trying to sort through it all- including seven years with a psychologist etc. I am a lot stronger than I used to be and you start to realise and genuinely believe that validation and self-esteem comes from within. You are good enough just the way you are. I think the other powerful thing is realising that what they did to you was wrong- you didn’t do anything wrong. Growing up with that sort of abuse can be suffocating because you don’t have outsider perspective or objectivity until later. Emotional abuse is also disorienting and it confuses you. I am angry that I couldn’t fight harder to rise above it all and feel embarrassed to say that at 29 I have two uni degrees but am unemployed. While at uni I lost my casual job while in hospital for depression and anxiety related to the abuse. I could not find another job- that was eight years ago. I am still a bit isolated and have been single for at least six years but i’m alive. I really hope this year I continue to get pieces of myself and my life back- and most of all I desperately want to work. I started work when I was 14 and I loved being employed it’s the best feeling.

      I truly wish you all the best Jil and hope that you can continue that progress to take back your life and not give him any more of your energy. You deserve a life of happiness, respect and joy.

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  5. Amedar Consulting

    I havenˇ¦t checked in here for some time because I thought it was getting boring, but the last several posts are great quality so I guess I will add you back to my everyday bloglist. You deserve it my friend :)

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  6. vivacious

    I was in an emotionally abusive relationship and I didn’t realise it. In fact he broke up with me, I think because I was starting to figure out what was going on and was questioning things, but even then it took me a long time to work it out.

    We are taught about physical and verbal abuse. Had he hit me or yelled at me or called me names I would have been out of there. But we aren’t taught about the insidious way that your self esteem can be shattered, your networks weakened, that you come to believe your love for him is all that matters. I now have a rule that I tell anyone in a relationship, you have to laugh more than you cry. That rule of thumb has helped a couple of other friends work out what type of relationship they were in.

    I’m now in the most wonderful relationship ever. Last Friday I was really down about a bunch of stuff. I came home and just burst into tears. Within minutes my amazing darling man had me laughing and proceeded to give me a wonderful weekend to make me feel so much better. My old relationship would have started with me laughing and ended up with me in tears feeling bad.

    Thank god I’m out.

    To anyone in the stage where your self esteem is gone, you feel that life is not worthwhile without him, that you are nothing without him – GET OUT. It is hard, so bloody hard. But it is so worth it. Remember more laughter than tears, it really is a good rule.

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  7. mammafan

    Dear Mia,
    I think it’s time for me to read your book. I had been in an emotionally abusive relationship for 6 years. My self esteem is shot to pieces. Even though we have been apart for 6 months now. I am desperate to get him back because I believe that it was my self esteem that made him the way he was. I feel like If I can get my self esteem back we will work out better. If I wasn’t so desperate to hold on to him, or if I didn’t feel so worthless then I wouldn’t be so up tight & we wouldn’t fight as much. I feel like I have lost the best thing because of my insecurities. Sounds crazy right? I must be. I am not a stupid woman by any means. I have a great job, I’m financially independant. Was it him that made me this crazy insecure person or was I that way to start & that’s why we had issues? I still have a long way to go to try to work that out.

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    • Lisa

      It sounds like counselling would be beneficial for you. A way to separate the real from the unreal and deal with the trauma of the relationship and break up. If you are not already, seeing a qualified psychologist could provide the support and tools you need to move forward.

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    • sparkie

      I agree with Lisa on this Mammafan.

      You are not crazy but there are obviously questions that you need help with.

      You are strong ..you have survived six months without him ..I know it’s really hard but you can move forward with support. Your GP may know of a good counsellor

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  8. Anon

    After reading your book Mia, where you wrote about an emotionally abusive relationship your were in, it really helped me understand one that I was in. I was just cutting off the final threads to leaving, but I couldn’t describe to others how it was abusive without being physical. When I tried to explain how emotional abuse was present, it came out like a he said/she said blame game, and I realised people don’t always understand it, but it isn’t as easy as just explaining.

    Years later, I am married to an incredible guy, who treats me amazingly. We are both believers in “you settle for what you believe you are worth”, so we hold not only eachother, but ourselves accountable for how we are treated. Not just in marriage, but with friends, family, work, uni.. The list goes on.

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  9. August

    Great column Mia – connected the dots on abuse in a way I hadn’t considered before.

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  10. elle

    Thanks for writing this Mia. I know your focus was on the trolling but I thought it was brave to talk about your experience of an emotionally abusive relationship. I have had a few! Currently single on purpose and trying to rebuild my confidence and self esteem so that I attract an amazing partner in the future. I feel a lot of disgust and disappointment in myself when I think about things I used to put up with. I would consider myself a strong, intelligent, assertive woman. However I think back to times I stayed with men who didn’t deserve me or treat me well at all and feel horrified. So currently struggling to forgive myself!

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  11. Just saying

    So pleased MM is screening the tone was getting really horrid.
    I’ll read the comments again! Yay

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  12. Stephen

    Thank goodness you got out of that relationship and went on to continue to forge a great career and also a happier life.

    Bullying of all kinds is horrible. Well done for having the guts to talk about it.

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  13. Gabby

    “Block, Report, Delete”
    Good on you Mia, that is all that needs to be done. Not fighting back and encouraging the nasty little people, it only brings you down to their level.
    I am so pleased you had the good fortune to walk away from your toxic relationship. I feel so sorry for those that do not have the strength to be able to do this. I pray that they find it like you did.

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  14. Ex Guest

    I have little hope that this comment will make it past the new commenting policy as one thing I’ve learned is that any criticism of the site itself is absolutely verboten but in the vain hope that it does, here goes. As a reader of this site pretty much since it started, I’m done now. This is my last comment (or attempt at such) and the new comments policy is pretty much why.

    There’s always been an element of the cult here, with readers piling in the agree with Mia about stuff but there used to be enough disagreement, civilly expressed, to make it worth reading and often delivered some quite thought provoking discussion which was the reason I kept coming back even as I often disagreed with the views of the authors. But that’s gone now, it has all the freedom of debate found in the North Korean Parliament, with a rigid adherence to the party line.

    Of course Mia has a perfect right to do this. This is her site, her property and we are guests here with no more right to tell her what to allow than we have to tell her who is allowed in her house. But it’s also a commercial enterprise and I wonder if it’s best served by such a hard line? Obviously no sponsors want their products associated with racism and homophobia so commercial consideration dictate a degree of moderation. But sponsors also will be concerned about being associated with a place that does not allow dissent of any sort and I wonder if some are put off by the new policy.

    Finally, some minor constructive suggestions. Deleting comments in their entirety gives a false impression of how readers feel about a particular post. There might be lots of disagreement but if it’s all deleted how do we know? At a minimum, why not leave the name and delete the subject? Even better, give a brief explanation of why it was deleted. It might be argued neither is feasible but if you look at The Atlantic magazines’ blogs they do exactly this and deal with far more complex issues and many more comments.

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    • Stephen

      As the comment criticising the new editorial policy wasn’t deleted, I hope the author and others will be sticking around.

      I run a blog called Well This Is What I Think. (wellthisiswhatithink.wordpress.com) I always moderate comments. So far, I have rejected one out of thousands. As the owner of my blog (and legally responsible for it) I must have the right to reject comments I consider illegal, including hate mail. I have never used that right to reject comments I disagree with, in fact they are the very essence of a successful blog.

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    • Amandarose

      I was sceptical about the policy at first but I have disagreed with some articles and my comment has been published. I don’t think they are shutting people down for disagreeing but filtering out the nasties.

      I still think it is a shame- the conversations were much more enjoyable before especially at night – they have no one to approve late night comments so I find that annoying.

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    • Regular

      I just don’t understand why a vocal few keep making a fuss about pre-moderation? If you’re not leaving yucky comments then what’s the problem? Your comments will be approved and published anyway so really nothing has changed. Except that this place is a MUCH nicer place to hang out.
      Thankfully!

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    • YellowGirl

      All you people complaining about the new commenting system, did you know a publisher is responsible legally for any comments on their site?
      The only thing that astonishes me is that Mamamia has taken so long to do this. They were playing an incredibly risky game by letting everything automatically be published.
      That might be OK on small blogs but on a site this size it’s madness.
      All sites like Mamamia pre-moderate and that’s a big reason why.

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    • Guest

      My issue with Mamamia is that it seems you can still be abusive about some people like Gina Rinehart. Jamila, how say you about this? You seem to be a thoroughly reasonable and polite individual and I find it hard to believe that you would have thought the article about Gina Rinehart was okay. And what about some of those comments that followed the article? I can’t believe you would have thought they were acceptable? I hope my comment finally gets through?

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    • Anonymous

      Ex Guest, you make an interesting point about sponsors. Have been wondering about that myself especially in relation to the article and comments about Gina Rinehart.

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  15. Mrs Sabbatical

    Great story and one that should be told, I dont think there is any excuse or any age where horrible abusive name calling should be tolerated.
    I was in a very very shitty relationship when I was younger but stayed for 4 years out of guilt of the other party self harming if I left (plenty of threats). I cried a lot, I was scared a lot & shut myself off from others. Eventually I walked away from the relationship and the city. Annoyingly contact still comes my way like a troll every few years for the past 13. This is why when I hear of anyone of any age being bullied, guilted or harassed I get so upset as it is so disrespectful ….. x

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  16. sarah

    On youtube, I think it’s from Jimmy Kimmell’s show there are clips of a segment where celebrities read out hate-tweets… it really points out how ridicules and pointless the tweets are…

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  17. Mott

    I like the new policy. I come to this website as a substitute to curling up with a nice mag for a few minutes. The haters were getting me down and by haters I don’t mean the people who disagree with something that is said in an article.

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    • Flickster

      Me too , so so glad that this new policy is in place. Makes me much more willing to reply or make a comment. I was getting too nervous to even make any comment in case it would get taken the wrong way.
      Also “The haters were getting me down and by haters I don’t mean the people who disagree with something that is said in an article.” well put!

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    • phoodietweets

      TOTALLY agree guys!

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  18. Barb Fisher

    Pre-moderated comments – awesome idea! I don’t want to read negative, abusive comments, even if they’re not directed at me. It gets you down even when you’re a simple bystander. Some people are toxic, thank you for shielding us from them MM.

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  19. Anonymous

    I understand why MM wanted to bring the pre moderation in and we only have your word to say it is working.
    My guess would be that any comments saying how much people hate it will not see the light of day, but the thing that does not sit right with me, and Mia mentions it in her article, is this
    most people are good, most people do the right thing, most people comment respectfully, most people are NOT trolls.

    So why have a policy that assumes from the outset that ALL your commentators and ALL the people who want to make a comment on an article are bad? By pre moderating you are saying, we don’t trust ANY of you to do the right thing so we are going to assume that EVERYONE who makes a comment is going to be nasty so we have to pre approve your comment and make sure you are nice.
    It is a bit of a slap in the face for all your loyal, polite,respectful commentators who have supported this site for years.

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    • jojo

      Its a huge leap from a moderator overseeing comments to ” all commentators are therefore assumed bad”.
      Moderation doesnt presume that, moderation just oversees the standards of commentary.
      Perhaps you have it confused with censorship?

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    • Kris2040

      How come a similar comment I made earlier hasn’t appeared but this one has?

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    • essessesse

      I don’t think it’s a slap in the face for the polite posters at all.

      The tone was dropping here by the day. Trolls came on and chased established posters from article to article making pointless and inflammatory comments. Petty bickering and point scoring was rife. Posters were being harassed and bullied. It wasn’t about people having a difference of opinion, it was about people sitting behind their keyboards deliberately winding people up.

      A difference of opinion is one thing. Being rude and offensive is something else. Comment moderation is quite common and happens on lots of sites. This is one of the few places where it didn’t happen.

      I’ve still seen some differences of opinion on here. The tone is a lot more civil, though. Long may it continue!

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    • MissT

      I come to this site often, and any articles that pique my interest I read the comments on. I assure you – it’s made a difference.

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  20. not necessary

    It is easy to walk a way when you have job and money in bank account and without kids……it is very hard to live the rest of your life with no way out…:-(

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    • Alex

      Not necessary, I can understand that it’s overwhelming to start again with next to nothing. In the long run your children will benefit tenfold from seeing you leave the violent relationship and value yourself and them. Please believe that there are good people out there who will help and support you and your children.
      I wish you luck

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    • Punkernickle

      Yes, it is hard. It is really, really hard. And it takes a long time before things get better.

      But you will survive. And your quality of life will be MUCH better.

      Only you can make thhe decision, but try this: instead of thinking how hard it will be to make the change, think how wonderful it could be if you do.

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    • Mia

      You’re right of course. That’s part of what I was trying to explain. I was trapped for all that time even though I held all the cards. Just not in my mind. So I can’t begin to imagine how tough it would be for women (or men) who weren’t financially independent or who didn’t have family and friends.

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    • Ange

      Yes it is very hard when you have kids, and it has taken me years to finally get out. I used to love him and wanted it all to be good and my kids to have a family, and tried things to fix it because I was made to feel it was my fault when he got mad and abusive. I finally realised that it is not my fault and this is not a healthy family for my kids. I have only ended our marriage 2 weeks ago and there are still stressful things to deal with, but I feel so much better having done it and have more respect for myself for finally saying enough. He told me he it was my fault because I kept remembering everything, and I should just let it go and I have mental health issues! He can’t believe I am actually leaving him, even though I did warn him before and made one failed attempt at leaving a few months ago I guess after all this time he thought I would just keep putting up with him.
      Even though we will still be in contact because of the kids, I am starting to look forward to my furture, I am a lot more confident and relaxed about what is to come.
      Start looking for support that is available in your area or family and friends, it’s very scary to take the step but it was scarier to look into a future with him.

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  21. KylieA

    I was in an emotionally abusive relationship just as I was really becoming a woman. What ended under his terms, choosing the mature “not-answering-the-phone” technique, has given me the ability to realise what I deserve and will accept. Something I have found in my new partner. I didn’t realise I was in a toxic and abusive relationship until I pursued therapy to deal with my lack of stability in my emotions and inability to believe I was worth anything, but my parents did. That’s probably the most upsetting part; Having my parents allow me to continue in a relationship they knew was detrimental and doomed to give the ability to learn from my mistakes. Lesson learnt that’s for sure!

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  22. Violet

    Slightly off topic, but Tasmania has some of the most progressive family violence legislation in Australia. Emotional abuse, and even financial abuse is considered family violence and can lead to charges – so hopefully the times are a changing. The legislation isn’t perfect, and some people certainly take advantage of the laws, but i think it’s a step in the right direction.

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  23. jojo

    we can NEVER have enough conversation about mentally abusive relationships in all their forms.

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  24. maghag90

    Mia why did you digress from emotionally abusive relationships to online trolls?

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    • Saffy

      I wondered about that too!

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      • Rara

        Me too, I was really interested in learning about how Mia gathered her strength and was settling into the article, when it suddenly went off on a tangent. This is an interesting topic and I would love to read more about it on this site.

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    • jojo

      I think because the same mentality is behind both.
      Making themselves feel powerful by stomping all over someone else.
      And sometime what we fight against in one place , we accept in another.
      But thats just how I am interpreting it.

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    • annae01

      i think the message was in realising what is not good for you, and turning your back on it.

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  25. Anonymous

    Thanks, Mia, great insights.
    I’d be interested to know some more details about your moderating. My comments have been moderated out twice under the new policy – one was some background about baptism in response to post on godparents. I didn’t think it qualified as aggressive, irrelevant or nasty, just trying to be informative in response to a flippant comment in the post about something I consider sacred.

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    • Natalia

      Hey Anon,

      Sometimes comments still go into our spam filter, and although we do check it regularly, it may be the reason for an innocent comment not getting posted.

      Hope that helps :)

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      • princesstan

        But that’s the problem, we don’t know if it’s because of the spam filter or because of the pre moderating. I have had two comments not be published in the last week. We’re they deemed inappropriate or are they stuck in spam? If they were seen as being inappropriate I would be very disappointed because the post I was replying too, I felt, was very condescending but yet that was allowed to be published.
        Who knows….

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  26. LaraB

    I’m really pleased to hear about your new comments policy. Recently I commented on an article about sex workers and despite the fact that I was respectful and polite in all my comments, several vicious and nasty comments were aimed at me because I am a sex worker. It’s great to know that this wouldn’t happened again.

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    • Lara

      So am I. Sometimes people just don’t ‘get it’, and become very judgemental.

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  27. Urban Fringe

    I enjoyed reading this post and it made sense of MM’s decision to pre-moderate. What may be experienced as a minor inconvenience for me as a reader (in terms having comments posted at a delay or not at all), is the necessary price top pay for short-circuiting the power of trolling.

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    • essessesse

      Agreed. The moderation has definitely changed the tone and for the better! Hopefully it makes people think more before they press the save button.

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  28. ellyklein

    Cracker of a column today, Mia! I couldn’t agree more.

    I, too, have been in an emotionally abusive relationship. It’s astonishing how badly someone can treat you without actually breaking any laws.

    It’s the same thing with internet trolls. The only way to take your power back is to ‘block, report, delete’. Get out of that emotionally abusive relationship immediately!

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  29. Grace

    Re the Sam Di Brito comment “We counsel crying children with ‘names can never hurt you’, yet grown-ups….confuse the same silly names for weapons, online insults for violence and Twitter mockery for attempted murder.”

    I have NEVER told my children this. Names do hurt you. We spend a lot of time talking with adults about their negative self talk and the damage that it does to self esteem. Where does this self talk start but with someone else calling us names – stupid, slow, rolly polly, freckle face – when we are young.

    Name calling is never ok and I for one refuse to say that they do not hurt as they have a long term effect, even if you don’t recognise it for what it is at the time.

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    • Alex

      My mum taught me that names can only hurt you as much as you let them. “Sticks and stones” are out of your control, but you can control how much you let a name hurt you.

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    • Kate Hunter

      I tell my kids to suck up the (benign) name-calling. If Sally (6) comes home and says Paddy called her a ‘stupid-head’ I say, ‘Do you think you’re a stupid-head? No. Do I or Dad or your teacher or anyone who loves you think you’re a stupid-head? No? Then ignore Paddy, he’s being silly.’ That works pretty well – as I said, for normal playground/sibling stuff. The nastier name calling? Hasn’t happened yet – touch wood. I think there’s a fine line between taking it seriously and making it bigger than it is. But that’s real life. Online it’s much easier to block, report, delete.

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  30. Me too

    The hardest thing I’ve ever done was get out of an emotionally abusive relationship but at the time I didn’t know what it was. I just knew it didn’t feel right, I cried a lot and would lay awake for hours beside him, wanting to leave but I didn’t know how. I am also educated, financially independent, and have great family and friends. Yet I didn’t know how to escape. But now less than 2 years later hindsight is a wonderful thing. I can’t believe I let the emotional abuse continue for so long but I am now stronger and wiser. I am reminded each day through my work just how precious life is and I really hope/wish others would treat people how they would like to be treated.

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    • SuperLadyjuliet

      I was in an emotionally abusive marriage for 19 years. I am educated and intelligent too. I wanted my marriage to work but the lies, infidelity,abuse and criticism made me depressed, scared and lonely. I am with another partner now- happier but still sad I couldn’t make the marriage work and my kids had to suffer.

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  31. beee

    Unfortunately I dont think they will ever die and dissolve like the witch from oz. If only. But I agree that the best way to deal with them is block-report-delete.

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    • Tracey Groombridge

      I agree with block, report, delete, however I’ve been thinking about this and unless the report button actually has some action associated with it by the moderator of the social networking site then reporting has no power. I’ ve never followed up to see if anything actually happens has anyone else?

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  32. Tracey Groombridge

    A great read on this Sunday morning.
    Harden up isn’t the answer nor is policing.
    A community response always wins out, make it acceptable to Block, report delete and make it unacceptable to abuse and harass people.
    We set the social norms starting with ourselves.
    How we behave on-line and offline will determine how our children behaviour.

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  33. Eternal Caterpillar

    I agree there’s a lot to be said for just ignoring the offensive comments, but then I also like Jimmy Kimmel’s “Celebrities Read Mean Tweets”:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcmz74AaXHs&feature=related

    (It’s 2 mins, NSFW)

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  34. A Non

    I live with an alcoholic philanderer. We have children together. He is intolerant, irritable and ignores my older child. My family turn a blind eye. I’m educated and in a well paid job. If i had a friend in this situation, I’d insist on helping her get out. Yet even as i watch myself wasting years in this environment, I can’t see a way out. (And I’m not a troll!)

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    • Joss

      I’m so sorry to hear A Non, nobody deserves to live that way. There is ALWAYS a way out. Your family might turn a blind eye but that doesn’t mean you have to. By continuing to live with him you are allowing it to continue, but it is never too late to stop it. You have the power to stop “wasting years” and to start feeling happy again.

      I was in an emotionally abusive relationship and for a long time didn’t know how to get out. I finally stopped dwelling on the thought that I had already “wasted” so many years, I turned that around and started thinking of all the years I had ahead. Did I want to spend those years miserable too? It took a while but I found the courage to leave. Yes it was difficult, but it was also the best decision I have ever made in my life.

      Life goes on, but you have the power to change it’s direction.

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    • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

      Ive never been in that situation but I’m so sorry you and your children are. My father is an alcoholic though and it is heartbreaking. As his child, it has affected me in ways I am only now beginning to understand.

      I read a really interesting comment here a few days ago about abusive relationships. The sufferer was told by a counsellor that by staying with her abuser she was actually reinforcing all the terrible things he felt about himself, and facilitating the cycle of abuse. He abused her verbally to make himself feel better and her non response validated his abuse. It’s an interesting perspective. I don’t know if it helps, but I thought I’d pass it on. You and your kids deserve happiness. Xx

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    • A Non

      Thank you Joss and Mo2CM. The perspective of reinforcing his behaviour is interesting. It’s hard to define this as abuse when I know there are a lot of women a lot worse off but I guess that the term does apply to someone who has his misogynistic traits. Anyway, I didn’t want to make this all about me but I’m grateful that you took the time to reply. Thank you Mia for the column, it certainly resonated.

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      • sami

        By staying you’re showing your kids that this is normal and acceptable behaviour. For their sake you need to get out. Show them your strength.

        Call on every resource you have. Ask family members for a place to stay temporarily, borrow money, ask friends to be there and back you up when you leave. You’ll feel indebted to people but it’s worth it. You can pay back their kindness down the track. They will help. Someone will help. Do not be afraid to ask.

        You might end up in a tiny house with no tv but at least you’ll have your freedom and your self esteem and your kids will have a role model. Don’t waste your life with this dirtbag. You get ONE life. You deserve to be happy. So do your kids.

        GO! :)

        PS I spent a few years with someone who used me, financially and emotionally. I finally left, was almost destitute and had nothing to my name but I was free and it was the best feeling in the world. I should have left sooner. Life is great! Recently I read the definition of a psychopath and realise that is what he is. So glad I got out :) I deserved better and so do you. Please believe it! xo

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    • Anonymous

      Although I can’t put myself in your shoes I do know that the only person in control of us is ourselves. The situation you are choosing to stay in is painful and destructive for you and your children. Take control of your choices and choose to leave. You might have to do it on your own but you and your children will be able to build a positive life together where you are in control.

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    • elle

      What is stopping you from leaving? Is it fear? Why do you stay? Clearly it is not a great situation and you’re not happy. Is it the familiarity? Are you afraid of taking that risk and leaping into the unknown? I am just guessing. What is stopping you?
      What are the stories you are telling yourself that trap you? Maybe you think you’re not good enough or strong enough to leave? Maybe you think you don’t deserve any better? That it’s too late and you’re stuck now? That he is not so bad and other women have worse? Whatever it is..is the story serving you or destroying you?

      I have been in shit relationships and there was always a reason I stayed. Something that I got from the relationship that made me think it was worth putting up with all the crap.Once I realised that actually I have everything I need inside me and do not need this relationship I was set free.

      Do you want to be where you are in 5 years? Do you want to be coming onto Mamamia to read a similar article and realising nothing has changed? Do you want your kids to resent you for staying in an unhappy marriage?

      Get out Get out Get out! We will all be here to support you x

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    • Trine

      It breaks my heart to think of you in this situation, your kids, too. Is there family you could stay with until you sort things out? What this situation must be doing to your health and your children’s health is immeasurable. I hope you can find a way out of a toxic situation, for you and your children.

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  35. carlie

    I’ve never been in an emotionally abusive relationship, but I did experience severe emotional bullying my first year of high school.
    Ten years later, and it’s still the worst year of my life. I was depressed and isolated and miserable, and I’m still picking up the shreds of my self-esteem in many ways.
    I’m just thankful that it was before Facebook and twitter and such, so it was contained to school. Not that it really helped.

    I’ve come across a few trolls, on the site where I publish fanfiction. Most are anonymous, who just write a few horrible things. For the most part, I’ve never had anyone do this for one of my stories, but I’ve seen it done on other people’s.

    Thankfully, the site allows you to delete anonymous reviews.

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  36. Stephanie

    i agree with every thing you wrote here Mia.
    unfortunately the piece published earlier in the week about Gina Rinehart invited a hate fest with nasty comments about her appearance being posted and not deleted. A comment i made disagreeing with the author which had no personal insults of the author was blocked. i know people don’t always get it right but i think that piece was the perfect example of how this site finds it acceptable to allow abuse of some people but not others.

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    • Saffy

      I applaud your comment Stephanie! Well done! Thank you, you speak for me!

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    • anon

      Pretty soon, the “vote” button will disappear. Just mark my words.

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  37. ac

    well said Mia! we cant control people and their views but we can control the way we react to it…
    i always think
    ‘what people think of me is none of my business’

    good for you in walking away from the abusive boyfriend – I too was in a similar situation at the young age of 19 – i was helpless but with the help of family and friends I too found strength and esteem within me to walk away – it wasnt east though…i had to get court orders and I even moved overseas for a while but that was 22 years ago now ….life moves on!

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  38. Lara

    Don’t feed the trolls. And if you want to get a sneaky revenge on an abusive partner/ex-partner? Have sex with his flatmate.

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  39. Twisted Sister

    Sorry but I lost any sympathy I had for Robbie Farrah when it was brought to light that he tweeted a VERY offensive and disgusting message about the Prime Minister. Pot meet kettle.

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  40. Leonie

    Good old sociopathic relationships eh.
    Hindsight really is 20/20 vision. Well done Mia- this kind of volatility and destruction needs to be more exposed…. Women more now than ever, need to learn to recognize the signs of an emotionally abusive/ sociopathic relationship… As our daily stresses increase, so does our vulnerability… Making us easy targets for people like these.

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  41. Jade

    Finally clarity and sense!! I read sams article last week and enjoyed his frank and practical approach – he managed to bring the issue into perspective. Thanks Mia for taking a step back and without being condescending calming down on the issues of trolls.

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  42. Anonymous

    My mum’s partner was extremely emotionally abusive towards me when I was growing up, and yet without the ‘bruises’ nobody understood what was going on or believed me – including my own mother. He belittled me, made me incredibly afraid to do anything that would set him off and I was always walking on eggshells so to speak. As a result of this i’ve never been able to trust men or have a real relationship. As well as my mum I also tried to tell the deputy principal of my school, the councillor and my friend’s parents but nothing was done to help me. Emotional abuse is just as bad as physical in my experience.

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    • Anonymous

      Emotional abuse is a serious as physical, it also as damaging and I don’t wish to down play physical abuse when I say this but often emotional abuse is worse in that it remains hidden easier, is harder to detect and harder to prove and prosecute. All abuse is something as a society we should tackle instantly and firmly as not acceptable.

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  43. Faith

    Yes I left six years ago and the chains still hold. First time I tried to leave he was going to charge me with child abduction so I had to go back. Eventually when i threatened to tell his boss he let me leave Today I force my children to have contact against their will. Just because he is their father.. And he does the same things to them

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    • essessesse

      Why do you say you’re forcing them to have contact with their father against their will? Are you doing this because of a court order? And what is he doing to them?

      This is quite a disturbing post,

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    • Emmy

      Obviously I don’t know your situation but just because he’s their father doesn’t mean you should ‘force’ your kids to experience emotional abuse… Real father’s don’t do that ….

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      • SmileyK

        Unfortunately I am in a similar situation and when children are under court orders to have contact with their father then sometimes you do have to force them (or have them ripped screaming out of your arms by your ex). Unfortunately the Family Court do not really care about emotional abuse and the right of the father to have contact with his children prevails. The kids just have to “suck it up” and go no matter what. It is horrible to go through and I hope that everyone telling me that one stable parent will get them through does come true. But when I have two out of three children in counselling I am just not so sure anymore….

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  44. Amanda

    I agree with you Mia in some instances. When someone has depression on and off for many years and is targeted by trolls in a social media setting it isn’t just the trolls playing havoc, it is also your own mind. You see one negative comment and that can beat you down like a tonne of bricks. Sometimes it can only take one comment. What do we say to the children who are being ‘trolled’ and ‘bullied’ online that are in a vulnerable state and often take their own lives because they can only ignore for so long…? Keep ignoring them? Just block and delete them…? They will stop at some stage…? (until they find another way of opening an account to attack). People should be allowed freedom of speech, they should be allowed to voice opinions. However they should be held accountable to the words they have written if they hurt or threaten another human being. People need to learn about consequences. It seems we are protecting the trolls and bullies these days……..

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  45. Anonymous

    Someone should inform Sam the whole stick and stone but names can never hurt was thrown out the window in regards to child rearing years ago! Names certainly do hurt you and have life long impact on our children and it has a name..bullying! It not acceptable within our school and not acceptable for adults with in the workforce. For those in the public eye social media is an extension of their workplace so no bullying via social media is not ok! It’s one thing to state an opinion or debate an issue but to wish harm open another or relentlessly attack them with negative postings is not harmless debate! Social media is here and now and the reality is we are playing catch up in regards to the negative and some level of control.

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