It’s a hideous, painful and often bewildering rite of passage for many women (and some men but most often women). An emotionally abusive relationship never starts out that way. It starts out exciting and usually with great sex. Lots of passion. Highs. But also lows. This drama cycle can easily be mistaken for True Love. A deep connection. Intense intimacy.
But what it is is just toxic and destructive for the victim of abuse. I know this because I’ve been there. I wrote about my relationship with “Charlie” at length in my memoir Mamamia and even though it was years ago in my early twenties, writing about it felt raw and real and recent.
I’m a confident person. Even was back then. I had a great job. I earned my own money. Rented my own apartment. Owned a car. “Charlie” had none of those things. And yet he still managed to cast a twisted spell over me that slowly saw me isolated from my friends, family and anyone who could say “what the fuck are you doing? Get OUT of there.”
It wasn’t their fault. They didn’t know the true extent of it. One of the quirky signatures of emotionally abusive relationships is that the victim actively protects her partner. I didn’t want to tell anyone the truth because I knew they would all judge Charlie and just tell me to dump him. Because that was exactly what I should have done. But for some perplexing reason, I didn’t want to. I was in his grasp. And that isolation made me extremely vulnerable to his manipulation. Even more vulnerable.
So in a weird twisted way, we enter into an unspoken contract with our abusive partner to enable fucked behaviour and protect him from judgement by other people. I wasn’t a doormat with him. Well, not entirely. I could yell at him and often did (less and less as time went on) but I wouldn’t want others to criticise him. One of those “it’s ok for me to be critical, because i love him- you don’t so you’re not allowed” things.
I’ve seen girlfriends repeat this toxic cycle to their extreme detriment. Smart girlfriends. Financially independent girlfriends. Women who have ever reason and ability – ON PAPER – to kick his arse to the curb and walk away. But it often takes months and years. I know older women (often the mothers of emotionally abusive men) who NEVER find it in themselves to leave. This is the saddest thing of all.
Today, I want to share with you a story by a woman I admire very much. Nina Funnell is a regular Mamamia contributer and her writing always makes me think. This is her story…….
I’ve always been terrible with men. The sweet, devoted types I tend to let go, while the cocky alpha male types I tend to cling onto well after they have left the relationship, the building and possibly the state.
The most recent case is a shocker. First some background. This is the guy who told me I could afford to lose 5 kilos when we first started dating a year ago. He forgot important dates, never gave me a birthday or Christmas present (or card), and never bothered to turn up to important events (including my birthday lunch, a ceremony where I won an important national human rights award as well as a range of other important work and family functions). But it doesn’t end there.This is also the guy who cheated on me. Who took another girl on a romantic holiday while I was overseas on business. Who later went for late night swims at the beach with her, claiming it was normal because “she is European”. (As an aside this girl knew all about me and also had a boyfriend she was cheating on).
When I finally found out the extent of the betrayal and lies, he was not apologetic, instead he told me that “jealousy is an unhealthy emotion” and that I might want to “get some help for it”. He added that it was wrong and “unethical” of me “to try to emotionally or sexually monopolize him”. He then gave me an ultimatum of an open-relationship or no relationship and when I did not jump with joy (shock, horror!), he again labelled me as “unhealthy” and “possessive”. Oh and the icing on the cake? He actually wanted to fraudulently marry his Swedish toy-girl so she could stay in the country after her student visa expired- all while still dating me.
Sounds like a keeper hey?
So why oh why, when he decided to finally end it with me (because I wasn’t cool with him sleeping with other women) did I burst into tears and plead with him not to leave me? Why did I cry into his shirt asking what was wrong with me? Why on earth would anyone want to stay with a guy who cheated, lied and constantly undermined my self worth?
It’s bizarre. In my professional life I’ve always been strong and confident. Ballsy even. And logically I know that I should have left the guy months ago. Scrap that. I should never have been with him in the first place.
Yet for some reason I sat their grovelling, begging and trying to bargain with him. “Just give me a second chance! Give me two weeks to show you we can make this work!” I pleaded. “No? OK, what about just one?”
Urgh. It’s all so humiliating to recall.
So what’s the deal with this? Why do so many savvy, strong women stick around hoping cheating or toxic men will change? Why do we come up with excuses for the behaviour, often blaming ourselves? And why do we let ourselves be ground down emotionally and psychologically to the point of accepting such treatment as normal?
More to the point why do we grovel and try to save toxic and utterly damaging relationships? After all, it’s one thing to stay put (or paralysed) in a toxic relationship because you don’t have the agency, self esteem or capacity to end it. It’s another to try to perform CPR on a relationship that your ex has just disembowelled right in front of you.
But apparently I’m not the first to have ever done this. According to the authors of He’s Just Not That Into You, many women fall into the trap of begging poisonous guys not to leave them out of fear of loneliness or abandonment. This fear of remaining alone forever is far more insidious when your partner has spent months or years not just telling you, but convincing you that you are stupid, or mad, or fat, or ugly, or promiscuous, or not good enough, or that what you want and what you feel doesn’t matter.
I’ve realised that one way emotional abusers stop women from walking out the door is by ensuring they can’t even stand on their own two feet to begin with. The process by which this happens is subtle. It happens over a long time through a series of “negative grooming” techniques that leave women doubting their own judgement and perception of reality.
When a guy (including a toxic guy) breaks up with you it can also be difficult to accept that someone else is seizing the reigns and making a major decision that affects your life, without bothering to consult you in the process. It feels like your opinions and feelings are totally irrelevant to them and that they just don’t care. It feels uncompassionate. Most of all it makes you feel powerless and vulnerable.
Having been on both sides of a break up, I’ve always thought that initiating a break up is comparable to quitting a job. However sad you might be to leave, you know you are in control of what’s going on including the timing. Being broken up with can be like being fired without warning. You feel shocked, hurt, rejected, humiliated, disoriented and scared about what the future holds. You also cop a pretty hefty blow to the ego. This is only made worse when your self esteem is already at an all time low to begin with.
But I suspect there is one more reason why women beg toxic guys to reconsider a break up: stubbornness. When women feel they have invested a lot of time and emotional energy in a relationship (as I had done), they often become determined to make it work regardless of the emotional cost or enduring quality of the relationship.
Having the guts to be realistic enough to “call” a relationship and get out when it no longer enhances your life can be tough, especially for individuals who consider any relationship that ends as a “failed” relationship. The truth is that most romances (particularly in our early years) will end. To view them all as failures is to lose sight of the things we gain and the important lessons we take from the relationships that don’t end in “till death do us part”.
Whatever may have been taken from me in this last relationship I’ve certainly learnt a number of valuable lessons for the future.
About the Author: Nina Funnell is a 26 year old researcher in the Journalism and Media Research Centre at the University of NSW and a freelance opinion writer. She is currently completing a PhD on “sexting” and sexual ethics and she sits on the board of the NSW Rape Crisis Centre. She also acts as a victims rights advocate.
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i left my emotionally abusive husband almost 6 years ago, we have 1 child together, we have both remarried (him immediately after our ugly divorce was final) me 3 years later. i’m writing today because he has never been involved in our sons life until it is convenient for him and constantly punishes him because of his hatred towards me, everything ends up being mentally to him always has always will, he hasn’t stopped taking me back to court over child support constantly getting granted a reduction until his current support is so low its basically nothing. he constantly tells me i care nothing but about the money which couldn’t be further from the truth, anytime i do not do what he wants he threatens to take me back to court for whatever reason. I have so much debt from lawyer bills constantly pile up that in the 6 years we’ve been divorced theres only been 1 year where i have been entirely without a lawyer fee to pay. I’m tired of me and our son being punished for seeking a better life where we weren’t constantly told we were loading the dishwasher wrong or having a hand raised to us in threats of being smacked around or having to explain why our growing son needed new clothes. I’ve always been the bigger person in the situation constantly giving in and letting him get away with being a narcissistic jerk just so my son could do things he enjoyed like playing baseball, he’s only a child he shouldn’t have to suffer because his mother didn’t realize she married and had a child with such an evil and grudge holding person. Why still hate me and hold everything against me 6 years later? He’s remarried and has twin girls why can’t he just act like an adult? why do i still let him bully me and why at the age of 32 am I having deal with bullys? I’m not a strong person and i’m very much the type of person who would rather give in than to fight because as I’ve seen over the last 6 years, it doesn’t matter if you have documented proof that he’s a low life abuser that the good person who fights for their childs rights just doesn’t win. My son is almost 9 years old and i honestly don’t know if I can handle 9 more years of this. Thank you for allowing me to vent on your site, my friends and family are tired of hearing about it and can’t understand that its not as easy to fight for justice as it should be and that even when you try and you do the hard things to fight for your child when the judges are constantly siding with him you lose faith and their becomes a point where you just can’t afford to fight anymore especially when you always lose.
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Hey Hi!
I have also been in such a situation 8 months back. My ex dumped me for the same reason and i was literally broken. but it was all thanks to friends and God that I am still alive. MY ex took me for a ride and took advantage of my innocence. When he was with me, he used to enquire about his past girlfriend whom he had physical relationship with her and abandoned her. Lately when he came to hear about her marriage with someone, he speaks ill about her to his friends, by giving detailed information of his sex life. I felt so disgusted because I am also a girl and speaking ill about another girl is really disgusting. I never gave up on him thinking the fact that i didnt want to be a loser or a fialure. but there is a limit to tolerate this kinda crap. he used to break up with me very often and the next moment i was right under his feet begging not to leave me. I partly take responsibility for my misjudgement and should have let him go long time back. But I do hope he learns his lesson and should be taught gender equality. Now when I hear that he is getting married to someother female, i thank God for saving me and I pity that girl! hope God saves her too!
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I left my husband of 15 years for the “love of my life” only to now, 13 months on realise im in a terrible emotionally abusive relationship. I have tried leaving so many times but he cries and begs and i am always in hope he will change. He makes me bend over to make sure you cant see my bra before i leave home, he tells me i look at every man for attention. He called me a whore for licking my lips at a fundraising movie night i organised for my deceased friends babies. He has even told me my relationships with my teen sons are inappropiate! I know i am weak! He has no job ( he has cfs), no car, no family. He will pick me flowers and write me love notes and i think maybe its better now….Im losing my friends respect. I finally left today and told him he is abusive and now he is threatening me that i will be stopped if i think that and its me cos im a greedy attention seeking girl. What do i do??? Do i just ignore his texts??
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I can totally relate to this. It is painful to even think now 4 years later what I have gone through and the damage this type of relationship caused me. Still the good thing is I got out.
I have seen the damage that a narsassictic relationship will have on a family if children grow up in that environment it’s awful so I hope people going through this find the strength to get out
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It breaks my heart to read all of these stories. I have a very dear friend whom I am helping pick up the pieces after her emotionally abusive marriage ended after 20 years and three children…and the abuse is still happening, via email and phone calls. She has come a long way, and has a great ring of supportive family and friends around her, but she and her children have been deeply scarred emotionally. After a two year affair and conducting a completely double life with the most elaborate lies to all concerned, he is accusing his WIFE of being an emotionaly bully!!! – and blames her for everything.
He was a friend of mine for many years (I knew him before I knew her) and I do not recognise the person he has become.
As we pick our way out of the financial and emotional mess he has created, we are just thankful that she and her children are out the other side and are moving forward with their lives. I hope the other side is there for everyone who has told their stories here too.
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i can relate to that!! ie being accused of the emotional abuser! omg, i thought i was the only one. the worst thing, i can’t seek help from women refuge because he works for them. he is what i called, a street angel but home devil. no one will believe me. even his father said that he is a good boy ‘cos he doesn’t smoke, gamble, drink, or have affairs, the only flaw is occasional depression when stress gets to him. wtf? stress? i am so stressed right now i could jump off the building, but who can i turn to? even cousellors online need payments, advice from solicitors online needs payment, and i have not a shilling to my name cos he controls the money and i am a stay at home mother. been harassed by debt collectors appointed by centrelink because he didn’t lodge his tax returns for 3 years and now centrelink wants me to repay all the benefits they thought i shouldn’t get thanks to his procrastination….. i so want to just end it all now….
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My ex was emotionally abusive and even after I found him texting another woman I didn’t leave him.
He broke up with me 6 months ago and I found out on the weekend that he was online dating for the last 6 months of our relationship.
I allowed myself a few hours to be sad, but that’s it.
He already ruined the life I thought we were going to have so why give him the satisfaction of making me upset 6 months on. I can actually say that I hate him. He made me feel like I was going crazy thinking and feeling what I was…
Argh!
But I’m done now and life is better – and I’ve learnt alot about what I want, what I don’t want and most importantly – about me! He didn’t deserve me and I WILL find someone who does
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My ex before the last ex was emotionally abusive and eventually physical. I went from being a happy, successful woman with friends, close to my mother, owned a great house, car and ran a successful business.
He tried to kill me in the end. He destroyed my life. I was left with nothing, I lost my house, my business, my mother, my friends.
It’s taken years to recover. These abusers chip away at you until, eventually, you’re a total wreck. That’s why it’s so hard to leave or your stricken when they leave you.
They do show signs very early on and you have to recognise them and act upon them, not give them second chances as that is when you are drawn in to their web.
I hate the question people always ask when they hear a woman has been emotionally or physically abused which is “why didn’t she leave?”.
We have to stop asking this question and replace it with “how could he behave so abhorrently?” “how could he hurt a woman?”
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I was in an emotionally abusive relationship for 2.5 years. A lot of terrible things happened from name calling to physical violence to threaten me to stop questioning him about his behaviour. I had to go overseas to Europe for 3 months to literally find the real me, in order to get the confidence to break up with him. It was still very difficult but I did it and even now, 3 years later, I still have a hard time accepting the humiltating begging and pleading for him to stay with me, the acceptance of him calling me names etc and I still find it so hard to forgive myself for putting up with that. LIke Nina, I am ballsy and confident in work, I’m financially independent and have always been the type of person who most people would think would not put up with that type of relationship. Abusive relationships don’t discrimnate; no matter how “strong” you think you are, it can happen to anyone. Anyone in the same situation needs support, don’t cut them off (that’s what my family and friends did).
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When I was 19 I went travelling to Cancun, Mexico with a girlfriend and met a much older man who was funny, charming, mysterious and sexy. After a drunken 4 days of partying and sleeping together, I was absolutely hooked. I had never met anyone with such a colourful past, who was so carefree. A 21 year age gap meant nothing (he was a year younger than my mum). My parents found out about him and were not very happy, after two months of a Skype relationship, I saved up enough money to fly down to see him again. I spent the next 18 months of my life with him. I worked as a nude model, to earn enough money for the two of us to travel together wherever we wanted. It was a job that ruined my relationship with my family and friends, and put me in dangerous situations. He was my ‘manager’ and took most of my money. I was isolated from my friends, family and by myself in foreign cities for “modelling jobs” a lot of the time. He was verbally, emotionally and physically abusive, but he was the first man I ever truly loved, and every fault or abusive moment had a totally reasonable explanation from him. I left several times and ran back to my parents, but he would call and email me, begging, threatening, making me feel so guilty that I would always go back. He couldnt live without me, his life had changed because of me, he would die without me, I was the one shining light in his life. We moved to Los Angeles, and were happy, until he was arrested one day, I was told by two federal agents who visited out apartment that he was a convicted sex offender and drug dealer who was wanted in two states. I had known about a previous jail term for drugs, but knowledge of a rape conviction rocked me to the core. I sent him money in prison for about a month, until my parents forced me onto a plane back to Australia, where I was cut off from contacting him. He was in jail for 9 months and during this time I managed to see him for what he truly was, and how he had damaged my life and myself. I have no doubt in my mind that if it wasnt for the circumstances of him being in jail, and unable to talk to me and get inside my head, I would still be with him. It has taken me 3 years, many counselling sessions, a lot of forgiveness from family and friends and a wonderful, sensitive, understanding and caring “nice guy” for me to get my life back on track. However I will always bear an emotional, and in my case physical scar of what someone did to me. It’s not about being strong. The strongest, most successful and intelligent women can be sucked in by these men. And they exist everywhere, and operate the same way.
For anyone in a bad situation, I beg you to force yourself to cut off all contact and move far away if necessary to shut them out of your life, its the only way to move forward.
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HOw terrible for you to go through so much at such a young age. Credit to you for getting yourself out of it.
Men like this choose young women because they are a soft target due to their lack of experience.
I really hope you don’t blame yourself because you absolutely shouldn’t. YOu sound like a very strong, smart woman.
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I can certainly relate to this.
I’m 19, and currently I’m in a relationship and live with another man, a few years older than myself. Whilst he can be amazing at times, over the past year he essentially isolated me from my friends and family, constantly abused me by putting me down – name calling, swearing, commenting on the way I dress, my choice of friends and insecurities. He shows no effort in being polite to my friends and family – of which not a single one of them likes him and they constantly encourage me to break up with him. At one occasion he actually physically assaulted a female friend of mine and managed to convince me he was in the right. My closest friends and parents have told me that they can see the degree to which he constantly manipulates and disrespects me, uses both me and my family, abuses his work colleagues.. The list goes on.
I have tried to break up with him many times and this has led to him leading me to feel so guilty (mainly because he helped me in a very difficult part of my life) that it never results in him leaving. He has isolated himself from his friends because of his behaviour, and his family in other cities. On top of this he has serious mental issues, and threatens suicide when I ask him to leave. I feel trapped and have honestly no idea of what to do. For the moment I am just hanging on for the moments in which I am actually happy with him, but it is a constant struggle.
I hope others have more strength than I do to get themselves out of these situations.
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Oh god, just call your folks to come get you and your stuff, walk out and don’t look back. Change your number if you have to. This is no good, and this man needs help – help that you’re not in a position or trained to give. You don’t owe him anything, regardless of what he makes you think! Don’t you think you’ve re-paid whatever price you think there is numerous times already?
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I’d also strongly suggest getting an AVO as he is obviously mentally unstable and you can just not predict what he can do. It will only get worse, he could hurt you, even kill you so you have to get out now.
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Hi there,
I’m so sorry to hear about your situation. I am currently in a similar circumstance where my boyfriend of 2.5yrs is threatening to commit suicide if I leave him.
He is emotionally and sometimes physically abusive towards me. I was wondering how you dealt with your situation?
We own a business together and live in the US, so far from my friends and family in Australia. So I have no support network to turn to. And I cannot leave the business.
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I had an emotionally abusive ‘relationship’ for just over a year.
The narcissist got me so confused with nice/nasty/nice/nasty behaviour I was so confused and spent way too much time trying to think which is the real him?
As his demands and pushing the boundaries got more derogatory got worse I was ready to finish it after a holiday we had planned- was meeting him on his way back from overseas. The location was great, but being dumped second night in country and spending the week being admonished on my first grown up overseas holiday about what a hopeless traveler I was, just suffocating and depressing. I didn’t speak the language, and didn’t want to work out the confusing public transport system, so I was trapped.
Even when I did move on I still faced the games, like him calling 9 times one week expecting me to come running. I later worked out he just wanted a babysitter for his visiting parents who I’d looked after last time and so was pretending he was ‘into me’ again. I felt sorry for his parents being stranded at the house on weekdays so I stupidly helped them, whilst working out he was sneaking away at night to my replacement. How humiliating!
I used to chase him a little at the start of things, then he would pursue me each time I told him to go to hell. We didn’t have other social networks really so would fall back together in a toxic fashion. I had trouble with things being bad between us so I would only feel like I had a clear mind when things seemed right , till the whole mess began again.
I cringe when I remember one Sunday when this hopeful girlfriend whom he wouldn’t have seen for months due to location turned up when he was in the bath, and proceeded to drag in a mountain of bribery groceries and a boxed present!?! wtf? I stayed around just to be annoying. He had been suffering kidney stones and we had fallen back together this time when he needed help getting to medical scans whilst dosed up on morphine. I went home to feed my kids lunch only to find her spoon feeding him in bed! My competitive streak meant I was staying till she pissed off. Oh she had also changed the bedlinen to a complete set she had bought him! The only silver lining to this episode was she did leave, and then a following morning, when he was lolling in the bath trying to emotionally blackmail me into something, I responded by retrieving the boxed gift with ugly shirt and signature name cologne and all that bedding and made it to the wheely-bin just in time for the rubbish truck. I informed him with a smile whilst he was still in the bath.
Thankfully I did get away from him eventually. I made a truce just to try and remember the better times and to stop myself feeling like I wanted to hunt him down with a baseball bat. I’ve blocked every phone number on my mobile I’ve ever associated with him, but I still get odd prank calls at early hours which I assume are somehow related to him as they have gone on for months and I don’t know anyone that obsessive though he denies it’s him. I can’t be bothered changing my mobile number of 4+ yrs so I put phone on silent nightly.
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How on earth do you reach the conclusion that mostly women are victims of emotionally abusive relationships. From my experience, women are far better at the emotional forms of abuse than are men.
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Of course it is undeniable that men, too, suffer ALL forms of abuse from their partners, but I don’t think it’s constructive to respond, with geralizations, based on perceived gender-based abuse “hierarchy”. Emotional/verbal/physical/sexual/psychological abuse is cruel and crippling no matter the perpetrator or the sufferer. But you beleive that women have a monopoly on emotional abuse…How so? I wonder why you feel that women are so much “better” at this. Do you believe that men suffer more than women in this respect? Do men become so beaten down that they feel MORE helpless to leave the relationship? I don’t know exactly how to articulate myself more precisely because the dynamics and variables ARE so different depending on who is abusing and who is the victim (in all hopes, survivor). Men and women are narcissists, sociopaths, borderlines…and let’s take children out of the equation to simplify….who do you think, in general, comes out the least scathed? This statement of yours is so curious, and a bit confusing. Okay, one 2-part question, really: What is your experience with this and how do you, personally, define or understand emotional abuse?
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This story could have been me. A few times, embarrassingly. All in my twenties (before I got some self esteem or a brain, evidently).
There was one who would ‘investigate’ my previous relationships, then call me a slut and get violent with me. Nutcase. There was the one with the drug and porno habit who stole from me and told me I wasnt feminine enough for him to want sex. What a dickhead. And the one who would throw tantrums in public and sulk through any social interaction I had with other people – he claimed to be ‘passionate’ because he was Serbian but really he was just a big spoiled brat.
In each case I stuck round long after it was healthy, and debased myself in the process. I recall that my mind set at the time was ‘this really sux, but Iv invested so much into the relationship, and received so little in return, that I need to keep trying to receive something out of it. For some reason I had to get to the point of actually loathing them before I could consider walking away, at which point I generally left (and spent a long time subsequent to each relationship, bitter and twisted).
Thankfully I eventually settled down with an emotionally mature, honest, solid person and we have two beautiful kids. Part of what helped me realised he was right for me was that I noticed that I was liking myself more and more the longer I knew him.
I think that saying about kissing a lot of toads was quite accurate for me.
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Like so many other women, I’ve been there. Thank God it happened when I was 16 and living at home so I was unable to become completely entrenched and engulfed in his bullshit. I suppose this won’t seem like a ‘real’ relationship since we were in high school, not living together etc, and I am so infinitely glad that it wasn’t. But it was still abuse. It was horrendous abuse, and for such a young guy to be so deranged is really quite a tragedy.
He was yet another angst-ridden teen. He did have problems; his lifelong dream of becoming a pilot had been shattered by being diagnosed with epilepsy and his father was dying of cancer. Being in these kind of situations either brings out the best or the worst in people, and in his case, it was hideous. My problem was that we were friends and that I am a huge softy. He took constant emotional dumps on me, and I listened and sympathised. For some reason I developed romantic (?) feelings for him and wound up in a relationship. How? No idea.
Then it turned really, really bad. He started to complain to me EVERY DAY of suicidal feelings. And somehow this was my fault. I was doing TEE (which is the term for the Western Australian certificate of education) and under a lot of pressure- so naturally, when a history essay was urgently due, I was the most selfish, terrible girlfriend ever for valuing an essay over the life of my boyfriend. And this went on and on.
My parents found out and tried to forbid me from seeing him. I screamed and pleaded and sobbed in absolute terror that someone I ‘loved’ would die as a result. Not to mention all the times that I wasn’t there or was with my friends (after a while the number of friends dried up) I was yet again selfish and a bad person.
I ended it after literally an epiphany after a talk from a truly good-hearted friend. However, with what life? I was now 17 and all the things that 17 year olds should have were gone. I was judged by everyone for going out with such a loser, I was very lucky to still be able to pull my grades up but my relationship with my friends was shot to pieces.
I’m at uni now and very happy and in a loving relationship. I see him from time to time and I can hold my head up high.
It happens because we love them and we excuse bad behaviour. It’s disgusting, but what can really be done?
That’s what kills me. Knowing that women much older than me are suffering the same way as me, and they don’t have the shelter of their parents or the years of youth ahead to live and move on. It’s a tragedy.
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I went out with the same guy! It took me some time to get over him too.
But you have to believe that there is someone wonderful and absolutely right for you out there. I did. i found him and married him.
Yours is there too.
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While I really hate to admit it, I’ve been through it too. I was 21, a musician, confident, strong (I thought) & fell for his lines. We were only together for a few months, but he worked fast & I was desperate to keep him because he was so wonderful, at first. He was a jealous manipulator, liar & thief & had me doubting myself, my friends & my abilities. Belittling me, my band, cheating on me while accusing me of the same, demanding details of everything I did while out at a gig or out in general, calling me frigid if I was too tired for sex, “that’s why I left my wife. She was so frigid & I thought you wouldn’t be, maybe I was wrong.” When he left, taking many of my things with him (which I got back later after calling his roommate to let me in), I cried & cried, I called him & begged to see him, I barely ate or slept wondering what I did wrong. Thankfully, my friends were forgiving & I didn’t have to repair any friendships, in fact they had to repair me & were happy to do it after he left. I didn’t spend much time grieving the breakup when I discovered the extent of the lies he’d been telling everyone around town, about himself, us & me. I made sure that folks knew him for what he was, some already did, others were surprised. Most of the people who knew him were glad to see the back of him after that. None of us had had any idea that he would turn into the creep that he did. I recently learned some other poor woman married him & had kids with him & that he is now in prison in another state for aggravated assault against a man. He was never violent with me but beating up men for the fun of it was in his past. I’m grateful that he’s out of my life & grateful for the lessons learned. I had many people keeping an eye on me & didn’t even realize it. And I did get a very nice 12 string guitar for all my trouble. He bought it for me out of guilt or as a bribe to keep me around, I’m not sure. Then I wrote pretty good song on it inspired by him that has been a favorite of the people who would come hear me play.
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Why do some women get involved with mean, non-caring men? Do we need lessons? Is it in our genes?
I have been so lucky – always hated the smart, ballsy men who were showoffs and horrid. I was very cheeky to them and they didn’t like me for that. I seem to have a sense re horrid people and especially sleazy ones.
Have the most beautiful men in my life. Fun, hilarious, caring. How can I transfer my decisions to others?
I think that we hop into bed too quickly with the rotten ones and then the sex is so important we forget about how they are so non-caring.
Match your head before you match your body.
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So true, where I have gone astray is when the sex has been great but the male attached substandard. Somehow I thought if the sex is good it was “meant to be”, and the chemistry made me ignore all the signs that he (and there was more than one like this) was either not very considerate, not very available, or not very stable. Good sex with someone can make it very confusing. Agreed, match the head and heart first.
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I can definitely relate to Nina’s article and I applaud her for her honesty. I even went into therapy I was so miserable in my emotionally abusive relationship to work out what was wrong with me, when it was obvious it was our relationship and partic. him that was toxic. I was in this relationship for 2 years before it ended with him dumping me as he couldnt deal with the guilt of cheating on me anymore(I was the git who forgave his initial confession to cheating on me!). I did try and get out of the relationship numerous times by ending it but he always had a way of pulling me back in. Some of his classic lines were: “your the one who is a commitmentphobic (said after I didnt want to take him back after his cheating confession), “relationships arent meant to be easy” (well newsflash they shouldnt be that hard either!).
My advice to ladies out there is that if any of the following are happening in your present relationship, dont make anymore excuses, leave!:
1. He cheats on you (shoud be a no brainer but sadly a lot of women forgive this behaviour, don’t if it happens once it will likely happen again).
2. He swears at you, foul language is a major sign of disrespect towards you and qualifies as abuse.
3. He has a problem with alcohol or drugs or both ie. too much of either or both.
4. He doesnt have a close relationship with his family for no particular reason.
5. He often does things like telling you he got a promotion at work and then tells you he’s going out to celebrate with work colleagues and you arent invited.
6. He doesnt like hanging out with you on the weekends (particl. I mean during the day) and constantly wants his own space to do his own things.
7. He makes negative put down comments about yr weight or appearance.
8. He doesn’t like to talk about the future and makes you feel like a shrew for mentioning any form of commitment.
9. He shows little or no empathy towards you when you tell him you’ve spent the entire weekend crying and not eating due to his appalling behaviour towards you.
10. He thinks guys that spend lots of time with their girlfriends are pussies or have no male friends.
11. He is very sexually aggressive and wants you to do demeaning things constantly in the bedroom (further sexual selfishness is another sign).
After my boyfriend dumped me I was angry and felt powerless for some time. But cut to 6 months later and I now own my own appartment, am planning the trip to europe with girlfriends this year that he guilted me out of going on when I was with him and I am now in a relationship with a gorgeous guy who is utterly respectful and loving towards me. My ex is apparently still with the woman he cheated on me and left me for and I can’t help but feel very sorry for her (despite the fact that I knew this woman and lets face it there is a word for her in this sorry saga) but as we all know very few leopards change their spots!
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hi, your 1-11 is very much like mines but it happens that i m into this relationship for 29yrs now and l m so desperate to know how where you able to handle this. i have sent him out of the house for about a month now yet i m still very much hurt…. how can i cope up with it, before i loose my sanity. thank you.
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Brilliant observation – been in the same situation myself…
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Thank you, you just got me over my ex boyfriend I broke up with 5 months ago. I have been feeling horrible for quite some time from it and reading this has made me understand my feelings and helped me move on.
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I recently divorced my husband of 9 years after realising I was about to lose my sanity (or my life)… I got to a point where I doubted myself and my ability to raise happy and healthy children. I was becoming convinced that I had a mental health problem by him – I fit the profiles he’d heard about on the radio. I had a frontal lobe disorder, I was insane, unable to cope with motherhood, convinced to have a termination (he then had a vasectomy without fair consultation two days later)…. I don’t need to go on. I cant even articulate how much I had lost my self in that marriage.
I fell madly in love at 19 – he was the older, wiser, artistic type who flouted many conventions…. I look back and see that these were because of his lack of desire to work. I had my own house then and was strong, independent, heading someplace…
I believe the term is Gaslighting – this was the insidious method my ex husband used to confuse me into being unable to trust my own judgement. To start doubting myself, to belittle me. God it breaks my heart. Over those years I must have seen 7 or so mental health professionals – counsellors, parenting sessions courses, anxiety and anti depressant medication, psychologists…. because I was the one who had the problem in our relationship. I also yelled a lot whereas he always managed to come across as peaceful, hard done by his younger, impetuous and “crazy” wife. It wasn’t until he completely lost it in front of family (threatened me, refused to leave my house – abused my mother for raising such a F*&%$d up person) that they finally realised just how much damage had been done. I have been in weekly therapy since three months prior to walking out… I take responsibility for many aspects of my marriage breakdown, it would be foolish to deny that – but I can never forget the lack of empathy, the lack of support and that insidious ability to denigrate and humiliate and destroy my precious self worth. I am even embarrassed to say this as I feel somehow – I should never have allowed it to happen.
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It happens bit by bit over time, so gradual you don’t even realise. You put growing feelings of low self-worth and inadequacy down to to something you did, that’s how it happened – don’t be embarrassed. It’s never too late to reclaim your soul and spirit, as you have proven. It takes an enormous amount of courage and bravery – so celebrate that!
With time and self-love your self-worth will slowly return, until one day you’ll be living your life and it will hit you out of the blue, you’re YOU again – in full force. You WILL shine again, I can already see you glimmer… Well done for reclaiming your life!
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I was in an emotionally abusive relationship, on and off for about two years. And thinking back.. I don’t know how he did it. He wasn’t that charming and there was not too much spark, I just didn’t have had too much to compare it with. And a pretty poor opinion of myself to start with.
On the scale of abuse, it was rather mild I suppose, but the point is it was enough. Enough to make you cry more than you smile, and view your worth as they do (very low) is definitely very very wrong.
He was still infatuated with his ex-fling (of about four weeks) and I was the jealous and unreasonable one for having a problem with this. I was the quiet type so one night I was feeling a bit isolated out at a pub with his friends as the designated driver, he compared me unfavourably to another ex and said he was ‘undecided’ as to whether he loved me. He wanted more ‘interesting’, porn-style degrading sex, or he wasn’t interested in me at all and that was my fault. Etc etc, he treated me worse and with less regard than he did his dog. And of course I also didn’t tell a soul about any of the bad stuff because I thought that even if it was bad.. if people thought it was good then that was something to hold on to.
Eventually, after a year I broke up with him, and ohhhh could he suddenly change! He would be so much better, I had to give him another chance (but apparently still owed him sex..?).
Unfortunately ended up getting back together after six months of growing closer, I guess I believed him when he said he could change and he was improved for a good five months, it was okay. But then his true colours came out again; my mum had gone into hospital, in an induced coma with pneumonia. That night he came over and I was distressed about it, and about the contribution to her poor health of her smoking addiction (a long-term worry of mine) and his reaction was to rant at me that ‘why didn’t you say something about it (the smoking) to her then? This is your fault!’ This was my mum. He actually told me it was my fault. What?? But that broke the hold for me. Topped off with the next night him calling to ask if I wanted to accompany him to his ex’s birthday party. No thanks.
Sorry, that’s a long story about not much really. But what I get out of it is never let your relationship with someone else hurt, most importantly, your relationship with yourself. You deserve loving and looking after and you can provide that for yourself, first of all. If anyone makes you feel unworthy or tries to take all of you for themselves, it is them with the problem and you owe them nothing. You deserve better, not necessarily in a better man sense, but you deserve a loving and happy relationship with yourself.
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I agree Jess, being true to yourself is what saves one in the end. I know from my exes behaviour, partic I can relate to what you were saying about him wanting “porn style sex” or none at all and how it impacts on your sense of self so you start questioning if its you. It took speaking to a whole bunch of “normal males” and being in my present relationship for me to realise there was nothing wrong with me or something I was or wasnt doing to justify my exes behaviour. My ex even went so far as to be so damaging to tell me that he hasnt had to engage in “unusual sex” to get off with his current partner, still wanting to emotionally abuse me after he’d cheated on me and dumped me.
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JJ I noticed that your post and my response has been deleted- hope you are ok, please look after yourself and know that you deserve to be treated well and cared for. I hope you have some friends or family you can get support from, please reach out to them if you need to. You’re not alone.
xxx Bookworm
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Sorry Bookworm, was just a bit hard for me to see my comment there.Your reply means a lot to me thank you xx
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It is not just you JJ, he is emotionally abusing you.
Please get some help and support, you deserve more than this.
I’ve been through it too.
Check out this website:
http://www.verbalabuse.com/page3/page4/page4.html
xxxxx
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It’s also known as ‘Emotional Rape’.
This happened to me. I fell for this guy at work after his behaviour suggested that he was interested in me…ie. staring at me in meetings, asking about my surname, my religion, asking me to catch the train home with me (we lived in the same suburb), sitting very close to me on the train (weird behaviour I know) whilst emotionally pulling me close but pushing me away at the same time. Wanted to get to know me but didn’t if you get my drift. He basically behaved like a besotted 10 year old who pretended he didn’t like you by saying things to you to get your attention.
Whilst on the train we were talking and talked about how is ex-wife had ‘no substance’..etc…like he was trying not to slag her off or was just trying to test the waters to see if he could elicit any sympathy off me. Well of course it worked big time. Or would go on about his world trips (which I later found out his ex-wife funded whilst he was till playing professional university student for a good 10 years – degree after degree)…I could tell he was looking his nose down at me because I hadn’t backpacked around the world (you know..you haven’t really travelled until you have done that)…because I went on a tour throughout Europe. I didn’t have the luxury of pissfarting around the world becasue my father was in and out of hospital for best part of my 2o’s. So…he would find out things about me to compare his own experiences and use it to pathetically prop himself up. Stupid shit like that.
So I made a play for him after our work xmas party…got him home safely after he got shitfaced..he walked me home and then promptly invited himself upstairs to my place. Okay…he might be interested. Nothing happened that night but he made himself very comfortable.
Anyhow the next week he was being pretty full-on. I thought…yep definitely something there. So I sent him an email and asked him out for dinner or whatever and he then replied that he was ‘too fucked up’ or something to that effect. I told him I didn’t appreciate him leading me on like that. No reply.
So a couple of months later this is where the games really started happening. He invited me for a drink and I asked him was he attracted to me in light as to what happened (not because I’m full of myself)…he paused and said ‘naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah’….and then started giggling and starting going on about another woman whom he was attracted to. This was an absolute punch to the stomach. He said he was waiting for someone who ‘really blew his mind’. Thanks. This is not before he asked me ‘what happended’ when I told him where I went to school (an exclusive one) because I was employed as a Receptionist there at the time (well we all have to start somewhere)
So anyway the best part of 2007 (I was totally hooked by the way – I’m a masochist..I think that’s how it is spelt) he would come over and would go over to his place…but it was the little things he would say to me…’like what I wanted to do with my life’ in a sneering tone of voice…or have me over to make dinner, we would then watch tv and then he decided that was enough, got up and left me to my own devices whilst he was sitting in his lounge room doing nothing. Really weird, game playing, fucked up stuff.
He would hook me in everytime…such as bursting in tears and then grabbing my hand for sympathy and then the next time act nonchalont…sorry can’t spell. Or try to get my attention in other ways, or put his arm around me.
He knew full well I was attracted to him because I told him. He had no hesitation going on about other women or asking me if he should ask so and so out. He didn’t do anything about these women. He just enjoyed sticking the knife in.
He finally did ask another woman out but the clincher here is that he decided to tell me in front of my friends. To top it off he asked me the next morning at work in a sickly sweet pretending to care ‘was I okay about him and so and so’…and then practically skipped up the hallway remarking how he was going out with so and so (she has a fairly high profile in the Newcastle area).
All in all…he just used me to pick himself up because his ex wife left him for another man (wonder why), and two other women rejected him. So I was an easy target.
I know this all sounds tame…but he said other fucked up things that were worth a thousand pin pricks that left me bleeding like I had cut an artery or something. He would make me do humiliating things without so much of a thanks. He would boss me around in my own home. Stuff like that. All little things that amounted to alot. He enjoyed the control he had over me because he had totally lost control in how his own life turned out.
This totally fucked me up becasue everyone would say what a top bloke he was (he was very successful in getting people’s sympathy about how he was a single dad and how his ex-wife left him). I really questioned what I saw and heard. He privately treated me like shit. I had to get therapy for a year whilst he skipped happily along with his life.
Men like this are not happy people. Even when they appear to have everything. He was very toxic…there is some great literature on this kind of stuff and I would implore all women to bone up on these kind of men to save the (near suicide) heartbreak these men can cause.
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I’d like to draw your attention to this study:
Relationship Aggression, Violence and Self-regulation in Australian Newlywed Couples.
which shows female violence is at least as common as male violence, with the most usual patterns being female-only violence, followed by both partners being violent.
Were someone to do a truly unbiased study on emotional abuse I have no doubt a similar conclusion would be found.
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Everytime, and I mean every single time abuse is brought up someone says “oh women are just as abusive as men”. I have read this study and I think there is room for it to be discredited. 1 in 3 women in Australia has been subjected to domestic violence at some stage in her life. This is a fact. May I direct you to the hundreds of studies done that show that women are predominately the victims of domestic violence. Over 95%. If you get a chance, google Lesley Laing and read any of her research. It makes for compelling and heartbreaking reading.
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I understand that statistically speaking that is the case, but I also am aware that there are a great deal of men who don’t report emotional/physical/sexual abuse due to the stigma attached to being in the ‘victim’ role. Often, they are loathe to or inacapable of even recognising the abuse. Statistics are wonderful illustrators, but are dangerous if not questioned.
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I would also suggest that women go in more for the manipulative stuff over overt physical abuse. It’s still abuse. There’s an article in the Women’s Weekly about bullying talking about how it is more prevalent among girls and far more insidious. I think we all know this to be true, and it follows that it can happen in relationships as well. If you were a bloke, would you admit to it? I saw my brother’s ex do it to him, and it took Mum stepping in and telling her “Enough” for her to stop. It was horrible to watch but he never spoke up about it.
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And a huge amount of women also do not report violence against them. Your claim is ignorant and wrong.
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I dislike dishonesty in any form.
The dialogue here is so loaded with preconceptions and accepted wisdom.
Examples of abuse from same-sex relationsships conveniently ignored in the Zeitgeist of this forum.
If research does not fit your pre-conceived notions, just dismiss it. “It’s true because I know it !”
So easy to have a separate scapegoat to blame. Everybody knows that everything is always men’s fault. All men are potential rapists after all, everybody knows. Given that most child abuse is committed by women, how offensive would it be to say “All women are potential child abusers”. Anyone claiming this would be abused and villified in an instant.
“1 in 3 women in Australia has been subjected to domestic violence at some stage in her life. ” These are the false stats from the 1980 Canadian book “Behind Closed Doors “.
FALSE QUOTE “Anywhere from one-quarter to one-third, and even up to one-half, of Australian women will experience physical or sexual violence by a man at some point in their lives. TRUTH About one in three Australian women and one in two Australian men experience physical violence over their lifetime. This violence is NOT NECESSARILY COMMITTED BY A MAN. (Recent findings – 2006 – from the * Australian Bureau of Statistics Personal Safety Survey show that overall, more males than females are victims of physical assault (10.8% vs 5.8%)).
But that’s o.k. taht men are more often the victims of assault and that men are blamed for all of society’s ills because after all “Men are the expendable Gender”. (Google it).
So sad for your male children.
We even have people in this forum threatening physical violence against people they have read about in the media. Well, the media always tell the complete and full truth don’t they ? Disgusting.
And the situation will never resolve itself unless the actual causes are correctly identified.
Blaming others may make one feel better, but does nothing to stop the problems of violence from recurring.
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Those stats about 1 in 3 women and 1 in 2 men suffering from physical violence are probably true, but you have not stated in what format?
Are they from domestic violence or public assaults (fights or “simple”) assaults. It is a fact that men are more at risk of being assaulted and some of that will come from fights. Young men under 20 are particularly at risk. I think only giving part of the statistic skews how it is viewed. I’m also sure that not all of Womens injuries are caused by a male partner either, some will also be from fights, just as some women assault their male partners.
Most of us don’t think of men as the “expendable gender” and I’m sure that you really know that. There’s a lot of us that are mothers to sons and don’t want anything to happen to them. I don’t always like the way my own sons girlfriend acts to him so this post really rings true.
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I’ve done a lot of work and research in domestic violence and I know for certain that your claim is absolute rubbish.
Of course female violence towards men does occur but in very very small instances ie; 1%. Also the majority of violence against men is in self defence and/or due to long term battering of the woman until she finally cracks.
You need to be very careful before making uneducated claims such as this. I can easily produce the research data if you question my response.
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Some advice I found recently that may be of help to others, lots of reading and some valuable information to deal with stalking and domestic abuse: http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/stalking.html
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Two years out of a very toxic 15 year relationship and starting to s recover self esteem and happiness. You are so right about the early times of passion and great sex and then it all goes pear shaped and you are wondering what on earth happend to the self supporting and confifdent person you were. My toxic relationship involved his (originally hidden from me) addiction to pornography. Stupid me when we were packing up his house to move to mine and I found the bag of 40 dirty little books in a sports bag and never said anything. Justifying it by saying “Oh well he has been on his own for a while and ,aybe they were old”. Two reasonably good years and me pregnant with our daughter and he started to withrdraw from me. Then I found the next stack of book hidden in the back of the wardrobe. Again I justified it by saying “Oh well pregnant, fat not attractive to him etc”. I told him I found them and he referred to it his “little problem’ that he had been dealing with for years. And so the years moved on and he moved further and further away emotionally and I was raising kids and just sort of coping and it wasnt until 3 years ago when I came home from a dinner party at a neighbours that he had refused to attend and I walked in on some pretty graphic hard core porn on the computer. I was so thankful I hadnt sent my 12 year old daughte home. That was, as they say the last straw syndrome. It took two years to unravel it all and for him to move out. I still shudder whenever my daughter has to vist… what if…?? The last two books I found were called “Sexy teens and showed shaven girls who looked about as old as my daughter is now.
Horrible times but thankfully over now. In the bad years I wrote the words “Make it happen” into my phone so as soon as I turned it on I saw it. It took 2 pretty awful years but now I see “I made it happen” when I turn on the phone and I smile and feel heaps better. Why do we do it?? Why do successful, financially independent women do it? The reasons are many I guess but for me I think I felt for a long time I could help him.You know the old “It only take a good woman crap” Well I am 56 and may be on my own for the rest of my life but I am content and after many years I now actually feel as though I am an adult who can make her own decisions and guide her own life journey. Pity it took so long
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My abusive relationship with my ex, who has narcissistic personality disorder, ended in divorce seven years ago. But he hasn’t let go. He has consistently used the children to get at me and I am once again being dragged through court, along with my children, because he is sick of paying child support. He is allowed to abuse me and my children because the courts can’t see him for what he is. He has emotionally manipulated my children which is of course, the best way to get at me. It is a nightmare. And the advice I’ve had so far is that since he has convinced the kids that he is a god (even though I can tell deep down they know he isn’t) then I am going to struggle to keep them with me. So I would say if you have a bloke like the ones mentioned here, then run away as fast as you can. It’s now been 15 years that I’ve been dealing with this idiot.. right now, I don’t think it’s ever going to end.
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Hang in there. You are a bigger and better person, and things will change.
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A (used to be close) girlfriend of mine is with a narcissist – in fact, she just had a child with him. I feel sorry for her and the child. I don’t understand why she doesn’t leave, I particularly don’t understand why she didn’t leave after the physical abuse started, but instead she stayed on and planned a child with him! He is lazy, self centred, manipulative, unable to love to anyone but himself. I can see his totally concocted personality & over the top friendliness is all for show. He dominates social situations because he obviously only likes the sound of his own voice.
She is the bread winner, university educated – the cash cow for him. He does not work and has plenty of excuses not to.
Its frustrating to see a friend pretend she is ‘happy’ with this ‘relationship’.
Other friends also can’t stand him either, almost everyone finds him fake and a bit of a opportunist ie. he really enjoys the life she provides for him.
We are not close anymore because I can’t bear to be around HIM.
She deserves better, but she obviously doesn’t think so. She is a wonderful girl that should know better and should believe in herself more. Her choice of relationship has left her isolated from old friends and lonely. Its really sad. My understanding of being in a relationship with a narcissist is that it is difficult to leave, but anything has to be better than living a life of self denial?
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I was in an emotionally abusive relationship about 7 years ago. It only lasted 6 months, but it’s left some very big scars that are taking their time to heal!
It started exactly the same as everyone else’s situation. He was lovely. Charming. Sweet. And gorgeous. I could’t believe this boy was interested in ME. And, of course, the sex was fantastic.
Then the comments started. He liked skinny girls (I was around 47kg, at 160cm – not good enough, apparently). He preferred kinkier sex – and didn’t hesitate to show me porn of exactly what he wanted. I wasn’t smart enough. I didn’t show enough affection. I was stupid for being jealous when he flirted with other girls. He wouldn’t call or message back for days at a time. I was cheap because I couldn’t afford to go out 3/4 nights a week (even though I was working full-time, and studying as well). My boobs weren’t big enough – he started talking up breast enlargements (and, at one point, offered to pay for one). We’d be out on the town, and he would insist on going to strip clubs – and because we were staying at his place, he had the keys, and I couldn’t leave.
The worst was my birthday. We didn’t celebrate it. Instead, I got to drive him here, there and everywhere, culminating in him getting blind drunk with his friends, while I had to sit there and wait for him to be ready to go home.
I got home (I was still living with my parents at the time) and cried and cried. My Dad was livid. My Mum was distraught with me. And that’s when it hit me. I was NEVER going to be good enough for this boy, but it WASN’T MY FAULT. It was him.
I broke up with him the next day. He started to beg me to rethink it, but when it was obvious I wouldn’t, he started to tell me it was the worst decision I’d made, I wouldn’t find anyone as good as him, etc. etc. I hung up on him.
I bump into him from time to time (it’s a small city!) and he’s as charming as he was back then – but now he just seems sleazy.
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My relationship was almost the same as yours, Nina. But I too, was in a same sex relationship, to a partner that lied and cheated and has since tried to sabotage every facet of my life with lies to make herself feel better about the way she has left this and treated me in the process. It’s awful to remember the grovelling moments and even worse to think they don’t see that anything they have done is wrong! Instead, you are the one “in the wrong” that they proceed to manipulate and speak ill of so that they can humiliate you further and you become the emotional wreck! This leaves them looking great, with control and a “crazy ex”. Not fair!
Learning from the experience and trying to see the situation from the outside or the end of the grieving process can help you feel better. Also remembering to feel excited that you finally have your life back and that you have learned from the experience about what qualities are to be admired about a person and what great things are in store for the next relationship.
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I guess I can offer something similar but from a same sex perspective; I’m a professional women who has just rolled into her forties; I have a great business and friends – life is actually pretty good but only a few years ago I met a woman who intrigued me – the connection was instant but at times I worried that because she was just a few years younger than me and had come out later in life that we should take it slowly. It’s strange to look back because once we made a committment to be together, she changed almost overnight; I was commuting back and forth from my home in WA to work in Melb which was tough on any relationship and just gradually over time, she’d start to remark on what I wore, my weight or how I was flirtatious with people we knew or met – I know that I’m friendly and have a cracker of a sense of humour so was clear that I wasn’t behaving badly, but it niggled at me and I couldn’t shake it so I said nothing – I reigned it in and modified my core sense of self – big mistake. From there it escalated, she would rant about why, when I’d flown in late from the east coast, her washing wasn’t done, or where was dinner when I’d just gotten in the door and when I got up early one morning when my father had had a heart attack, she rolled over and went back to sleep because it didn’t relate directly to her so she couldn’t be bothered. To add insult to injury, she’d started to socialise without me when I was at home and even booked a weekend away with friends when it was my birthday and I wasn’t invited – I look back and almost laugh at what I just didn’t see – in plain sight, it was all there. I didn’t read the signs on my friends and family’s faces – I can be a bit bull headed so it didn’t occur to me that I was in something that was unhealthy – I will heed the advice of others next time – but there won’t be a next time and even if there was, my friends have permission to kick me up the arse – carte blanche in fact.
In all seriousness, I do think that I got out early but I look back and see what a bully she was and how her reason for being was to make me feel bad about myself so she could garner something from that. We broke up and it was revolting, she couldn’t have been more vile if she tried and since she had gotten into the swing of telling me what was wrong with me, this only became more graphic – I had never gone through something like that before, I felt so battered and worthless – it was such a contrast to the mild, sweet woman I had met who had been so lovely to me and then set out to deconstruct me.
I moved to Melbourne and she left me with a bit of debt that I sucked up as my farewell to something nasty.
Why did I enter into this? I know exactly why; I was lonely and my life was in transition; I was vulnerable and ripe for the picking. I’m a good person to be in a relationship with because I’m always authentic / loyal and loving but when my world was more fragile than it would have normally been, she’s crept in.
I don’t judge myself for it; I chalk it up to one of life’s moments but it did teach me about learning to be at peace in my own company and putting what I need first rather than anyone else’s.
I also went out and bought a dog whom I walk every day and who gave me the motivation to put one foot in front of another to walk my way through this. Pet logic got me back on track – start the day with a brisk walk and a wag of the tail.
I wouldn’t normally post this but I’m reading all these stories and I just wanted to shed a bit of light on the fact that the issues are just the same in a same sex relationship.
I believe she remains single and unhappy – karma is a bit like that.
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reading all these accounts brings back so many memories of my first boyfriend whom i was with from 18-21. I was young and very naive with no experience with boys, I look back on it now and cringe and some of the things he used to say for example he told me he didn’t like me wearing high heels, when i was wearing these amazing shoes i had just saved up and bought. He said they make my legs looks stupid. I had them on to go to one of he’s friends parties and he yelled at me saying that “it’s my friends party and I don’t want you wearing them”. I remember just looking in awe thinking WHAT THE?! they are just SHOES!? That is just one of the many many things he would say to me. I could go on and on about it but he did the classic things emotionally abusive people do.
I am now in a wonderful relationship (i’m 23 now) with the most amazing man who treats me with the upmost respect and love and care and I absolutely adore him.
Although, when I think back at what my ex did i get so angry at him. I have thought about it a lot and i hate him for what he did and how he treated me. I sometimes think if i saw him again I would want to scream at him and tell how much of an asshole he was and how he treated my like a dog. I feel that this would get rid of that hatred. I know that I would never do that because I don’t think it would help in the long run. But i just want to know if any of you other ladies (or men) feel this way about your emotionally abusive ex’s?? Or am I the only one?
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I am glad that you are with someone so much better Jessica.I feel the same about my ex and so often wished I could see him and yell at him ( and worse ) but he is not worth any second of my life anymore. Our ex’s will get their karma.
I wish you all the best x
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Wow, this story and so many that followed really resonated with me too. My dangerous relationship also ended up being physically and sexually abusive. I unfortunately got out of it by commiting a crime, being arrested going to court pleading guilty losing my job. Then and only then did I have a complete breakdown, and my Mum came and got me.
I am now 40, married to a wonderful man have three gorgeous kids, but still have nightmares from time to time (though with less frequency as the years go on). I have a criminal record too.
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This post resonated with me so much that it was painful. I have to admit I skimmed through some of it because it hurt so much to see myself in those words. I have just come out of an abusive relationship, one where he physically abused me when I was pregnant resulting in the loss of my baby girl. And yet I still wanted to be with him and think of him.
I don’t have support network in this state and can’t leave to be with my family due to my work, so I feel a bit lost right now. And I’m still hurting so very bad.
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Sending you a MASSIVE virtual hug x
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What a douche!! Give us his address and i’ll go and pay him a visit (with a steel pipe)
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Hang in there anonymous, you’ve done the right thing. Try & reach out to someone, a co-worker, a gp, a neigbour. You need support now and if nothing else, you have it here. x
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Oh sweet you hang in there. NO relationship is worth the loss of a child by force, just keep reminding yourself of that and know there is a special man out there waiting to show you what real love is. You’ve been very brave and need to focus on the things that make you happy – reading, movies, music, beach, walks, fitness – whatever it is to help keep you strong.
To all those out there struggling with bad breakups and toxic realationships: I was always attracted to bad boys and thought a passionate relationship equalled a huge love. It doesn’t, it equals control. I’m now in a healthy relationship of 14 years and after seven years of infertility we are four months pregnant with our second child, we lost our first longed-for baby at 9 weeks pregnant. 15 years ago I considered my now-husband a fun friend and “nice boy”. But after my last “bad boy” heartache, I realised I deserved to love myself a little bit more. So I took a break from relationships and focused on building ME back up again. It wasn’t long before I realised the someone I’d been looking for was right there the whole time. Someone who was kind, attractive, generous, thoughtful and – back then – maybe felt more for me than I did for him. So I gave a “nice guy” a shot. Now our deep love is equal in measure – sometimes it’s a see-saw, but we always find our balance, one offering more support, love or kindness to the other when it’s needed.
Loving yourself is the first step – and you’re already doing that. One day you will be blessed with a love like no other and a family you always dreamed of but maybe thought you didn’t deserve. Guess what, you deserve all this and more. And it WILL happen. People who expect the very best in life very often get it. Stay strong xxx
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That’s horrible.
I can’t think of many jobs where you can’t leave as you’ve described, so I’m going to hazard a guess that you’re in the ADF. If so, talk to your div staff to start with. If you don’t want to do that, put in a green grenade to talk to psychs or even just make an appointment to see a doc at the med centre or go and see the chaplain.
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Sorry for commenting so many times but I forgot to add what I feel are the most important points:
TRUST your INSTINCTS – If your body is sending you niggles or butterflies there is something wrong with this picture (no matter how good he makes you feel at other times).
RECOGNISE RED FLAGS – A good man will not question your clothing or your choice of friends. He will not go through your phone and interrogate you about past lovers. He will not belittle you. He will not raise a hand to you. He will not isolate you from your family.
And finally, if you do ever find yourself in this situation, after you have gotten out and ridden what will be a total rollercoaster of emotions, FORGIVE YOURSELF. You did not bring this on yourself. Do not let this experience DEFINE YOU.
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Can anyone see where this Matthew Newton thing is heading? He is really playing the victim here. I bet his actions are familiar to many of you and it makes me angry that he is now saying he has depression to explain why is was abusive. And now he is sick because of all of the stress. Argh!
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I do believe that everyone has the right to get help, and hopefully he will get help and change his life. Hopefully other abusers will do the same so that one day they will stop.
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I agree everyone deserves to get help, but to me he is just hiding behing this help to get sympathy and to blame something for him being abusive. Hopefully I’m wrong but I’ve seen it all before. Abusive person gets found out and uses every excuse for why they behaved that way. Oh it wasn’t me it was my partner, or I was depressed, or it was the governments fault for taking so long to grant me a visa or I’m stressed so I get angry and take it out on you. I’ve heard all of the excuses and to why I was emotionally and physically abused. I just see the same thing happening now with Matthew Newton.
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What a brave post, thank you:)
My first husband was extremely emotionally abusive, but in a passive aggressive way. I pretty much married him cos he was the first guy who really treated me well and told me he loved me (at the beginning), I had lost my mum to cancer 3 years before and was desperately lonely, and to top it off, had just found m birth family 6 months before we married. All in all, not a healthy beginning t anything!
From the start, wanted out. He constantly put me down about my weight, my then depression, pretty much anything. If I expressed an opinion of anything, he would argue the opposite, even if he agreed with me,just “to make sure I had considered all the options”. Well duh, I was a Uni graduate, I like t think very intelligent compared to him.
Things just deteriorated, his health worsened and he never did anything to help himself. The final straw was when. I kissed him goodnight one night. About 11, he was playing some silly online game. At 4am he came and woke me unto berate me for not saying goodnight. Yes. Well.
Reader, I divorced him and moved out the next day. He was toxic and his constant demeaning comments wore down my already battered self esteem. I met and married a wonderful man who respects me and himself and have never looked back.
Ps my dad calls the ex “dick head” lol and refuses t ever say his name. Quite apt!
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I posted a lengthy comment on my experience earlier but I wanted to add some more in the hope that it might help someone who is currently caught in this situation (abuse / domestic violence).
I am not a counsellor or a police officer or a lawyer and I am not going to pretend I have all the answers but this is what I recently told a close girlfriend who is currently going through what I did (I live in WA so some situations may be different in other states):
I am not going to sugar coat the reality. I hope this doesnt discourage anyone from taking the next step (and Mia, feel free to disallow this comment if you feel that might be the case) but I truly believe it is better to know what you are in for.
When you muster the courage to go to the police you will come across many stumbling blocks and you will feel like giving up because it is going to be hard. Stay strong.
(If you are not getting the answers or the support you need, find another police officer or advisor. Don’t settle for the first officer you get – think of it like this, if you knew that something was wrong with your child and the doctor on duty did not ease that worry, you would seek out another. And another. Until you got the right answers. Think of the police on duty like this.)
If there is a domestic violence unit, make sure you get to talk to them. I was extremely lucky that when I finally made a complaint there was training going on at that station on this very issue. It meant I had a DV specialist with me. When I wavered, when I demurred with “oh, I dont think he really means it, maybe he will leave me alone”, she took my hand and said “Chrissy, I have sat across from too many women in your situation who have ended up dead. Don’t become one of them”.
Those words resonated with me like no others.
She even organised an alarm that was installed in my bedroom. If I pushed it (and unfortunately I did need to when he broke into my house), police attended as a priority 1 – lights and sirens, within minutes. If your state (I am in WA) offers this, ask for it. It may help you sleep a little.
Be aware that the restraining order (AVO) is not effective until it is served on the offender. In my case this took 3 weeks. They could not locate him (and were unfortunately too busy – this is a reality of police work and I do understand it, not police-bashing). Make sure you have somewhere safe to go to during this time.
The offender has the legal right to defend the AVO. Mine did so to force me to go to court and because he did not want another blight on his record. This means you will go to court and, in my case, you may be standing next to him at the table. You may get a magistrate who is not sympathetic to DV (I wish they didnt exist but sad fact is they do).
Stay strong. Keep going. You have already done the hardest part, believe me.
He may never be charged with all the crimes he committed. In my case the police decided to proceed with the charges they were confident they would win. This meant he was never charged with assault (his word against mine) or break and enter. Sometimes they bundle the charges together so it may feel like he is getting away with it. Stop those thoughts. They are not important. The important thing is that you have gotten out.
The family and friends he alienated from you – they will probably still be there. They have been waiting and worrying about you. Let them support you. You will need it. Let them provide safe houses if you need it. Lean on people. It buys you time to get stronger.
Document everything. Diarise everything. Even the slightest breach. Remember restraining orders work both ways – you cannot contact him either. (I point this out because he will probably turn on the charm and attempt to win you back so that you let go of the AVO).
There are excellent resources available to you. My local court house had a DV safe room. An advocate advised me and attended court with me. Police escorted me to my car. Accept all offers like these to feel safe.
You will come out the end of this. I started each day telling myself “this too shall pass”. It will.
One day this will be in your past and you will be able to type comments like this without (hopefully) having nightmares.
Don’t let this experience stop you from trusting men. It may come more slowly next time but don’t let it stop you from opening your heart to a good man. Believe me, they are out there and one day you will have one.
Oh god, I hope this helps rather than scares. But I wish I had had someone tell me exactly what would happen instead of feeling like I was thrown in the deep end of a shark infested pool.
My heart goes out to you. Believe in yourself. I love the saying that goes something like “you never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have” xxx
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I never knew any of this when I was with and left my ex-defacto (who stalked me, and got his friends to stalk me), I was so scared of going to the police because of what him and some of his organised-crime-powerful friends would do to me. Also, he told me if I ever went to the police he would bury me in the backyard. It was hard enough for me to gather up the courage to leave, let alone having everything dragged up before the courts and having to relive everything he did and said to me to the police. I decided to start again, leave it all behind. I wish now that I had gone to the police, gotten an AVO, had him charged. Because I will forever live with the guilty feeling that he might do it to another girl
It’s all too late now, it’s been 2 years since I left him. I hope that one or more girls read this and realise that it IS worth getting law enforcement envolved. It may be tough, but you are tougher. If you don’t want to do it for yourself, do it for the 2 or 3 girls after you who might not be so lucky as to escape with their lives and their sanity. Don’t let them win.
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My experience with the police and courts was completely different. I was also in WA and it was a terrible experience. I was advised by the police to get an VRO (as they are called in WA), so I went to the court not knowing what I had to do. I was sent to a few wrong areas to start with, then I had to go straight to court after lodging the VRO (I had no idea I was going to have to do this). I went up to the court rooms, totally lost, not knowing what to do as I had never been to court before. I finally found a receptionist who was helpful and sympathetic. She asked me if I wanted legal advice (again I didn’t know this was available to me). I spoke to a specialist DV lawyer who really helped me through the initial court case.
It took the police over 4 weeks to serve the VRO. In this time my ex would just turn up whenever he wanted. Knock on my door (I would never answer) or be visiting the neighbour who he suddenly become good friends with. I called the police to find out what was happening with the VRO. They told me they couldn’t find him (they had both his new home and work address. I don’t think they even tried). It wasn’t until I spoke to a friend who use to be in the police force that something was done.
Of course he defended the VRO. His visa could have been cancelled if he got a record. My lawyer was great but told me it was my word against his and if we went to court the magistrates are not sympathetic at all and more than likely it wouldn’t get granted. So prior to going to court my lawyer was negotiating with my ex trying to come up with some agreement so we wouldn’t have to go to court. There is currently an agreement in place. It’s the same as a VRO but not legally binding. My lawyer said that if he goes against the agreement then the magistrates would look favourably upon granting a proper VRO.
The whole court and VRO experience was just horrible and it’s not something I am sure I would go through again.
I’ve moved interstate as the agreement expires in a few weeks.
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You are quite correct in it being called a VRO over here. The cops handling my case alternated between the two terms and I usually see it referenced in the media (eg Matthew Newton) as an AVO which is why I used that terminology here.
I actually edited this post to remove what he managed to do to me during the 3 weeks that it took to serve the VRO because it was quite horrific and I didnt want to scare people off from pursuing one.
I am so sorry your experience was like that. The very first time I applied for a restraining order, the magistrate threw it out because, and I quote him here, “he only hit you once”. Go figure.
My ex was criminally charged but only received an intensive supervision order. During the time this was in place, I changed all numbers, address and even my personalised number plates. I will never again have a phone number under my name and even the home utilities are under my partner’s name.
Do what you need to in order to feel safe. Wishing you much love and luck xx
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I agree – it’s not always easy getting the authorities to assist you, but push ahead.
For me – I had a hard time having the Police believe me. I honestly believe I dressed too well and had a very hard time convincing them that a person employed as a Sheriff would do such things.
Push on ladies. You know in you heart that it’s got to stop. Abusive men feed on getting away with this behaviour. You are not the first and I think the degree of the abuse grows with each conquest.
The initial statement the Police take is important. If you’re dictating the history to an officer who does not seem interested or sympathetic – go to another Police station and find another officer !!!!!
I totally understand that when you get to this point you have been living without choices – or rather feeling that you have had no power over your own choices for such a long time, it’s easy to again surrender to another persons demands and opinions. Be strong – get the help from someone you feel comfortable talking with.
hugs to all the women in this situation. Love yourself enough to reach for better days.
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What a great post! I wish you could be around to help some of the many women I have seen dealt with in a cursory manner by the courts and police. While this has improved in the 20 years I have been involved in the legal system, many women still do not have the support to go through with it. I know a professional woman ( a doctor) who was so intimidated by her ex’s connections in the legal world that she put up with an incredible amount of abuse and was not helped by the legal process at all. I used to see her bruises but her ex managed to convince everyone she was mentally ill. Fortunately he left her but continues to abuse and harass her.
To all of those , esp Apple, who would seek to blame the victim, be careful it could be you someday!
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Thank you Maggie, your words are both very kind and very humbling.
When I was going through the worst of my experience and felt like giving up, I used to tell myself that the universe must have decided I was strong enough to endure this on behalf of the women who have not been able to.
This used to keep me going, the thought that maybe I would be helping another woman in my situation one day. To be able to say – I survived so you can too. Because we all need all the support we can get.
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I am terrified…
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I have read two books that I found invaluable in processing and understanding what I went through.
“Controlling People” and “The Verbally Abusive Relationship” both by Patricia Evans.
Here’s a bit from Controlling People:
When people attempt to control you, they begin by pretending. When they define you, they are acting in a senseless way. They are pretending. We know they are pretending because in actual fact, no one can tell you what you want, believe, should do, or why you have done what you have done. No one can know your inner reality, your intentions, your motives, what you think, believe, who you are.
If someone does pretend to know your inner reality eg “You’re trying to start a fight” they have it backwards. People can only know themselves. It doesn’t work the other way around.
Since you can only define yourself, your self-definition is yours. It isn’t necessary that you prove or explain it.
The author also talks about the existence of a “pretend person”. The abuser, who has learnt to disconnect from his inner self in childhood, creates a pretend person who is both part of him and the perfect mate, who will fulfill all his needs and stop him from feeling disconnected, who stops him from ever feeling alone. He anchors his pretend person in his mate, once he feels secure enough to do so- which is often triggered by events like getting married, or having a child- he feels the woman is dependent now and won’t leave him alone. This is often an unconscious thing.
So he starts off being charming, listening to her, having give and take like a healthy relationship, but then once he feels secure he anchors his pretend person to her and he stops seeing her as herself. Which is why he gets angry and feels threatened when the girl deviates from the “pretend person” he defines her to be. His ideal mate would never argue or express a differing opinion. He always knows best, and knows what she thinks and feels, cos she’s a part of him.
It’s very interesting reading. I highly recommend you guys check them out.
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Nina – I love your writing and hearing your thoughts, you are always so insightful.
I too have been in an emotionally abusive relationship in the past, it saddens me to think/see that most of us have…
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I was in an emotionally abusive marriage for 5 years. I never realised that it could be abuse, I thought only physical abuse counted. When we were going out he was charming, intense, fun, and flatteringly interested in me and my life. He lived an hr away, and would travel every weekend to see me, one night when I was sick he drove up, cooked me dinner, and drove home again. We’d stay up for hours talking about everything. He became a Christian (well seemed to) and came to church with me. He had a steady job, a car, though he still lived with his parents it was a separate part of the house, and he paid rent to them.
I say this to explain that he did not seem like an abusive person to begin with.
But there were warning signs, now that I look back. One was his intensity, his need to push the relationship to faster, higher levels rather than let it just flow and take its course. He also pressured me for sex, even though I had made my beliefs in no sex before marriage clear from the beginning.
After we were married, it began gradually. I worked full-time, he worked part-time, and finished at 4pm, while I finished at 6pm. He was supposed to cook most nights, but this degenerated into me arriving home, him on the computer. I’d inquire about dinner, he’d say he wasn’t hungry and I should fix myself something. When I had to take some holiday time from work, he would come home from work and be annoyed because the housework wasn’t done, apparently he vaccumned every day. And I could not leave a glass on the coffee table longer than 5 seconds before he got annoyed that I hadn’t taken it to the kitchen and washed it. He would spend a lot of time playing the computer, and find it annoying when I wanted to spend time with him.
When we had our first child, his behaviour went up a notch.
He was impatient with my pregnancy nausea and still wanted to have sex even though I felt sick. I asked if we could try certain positions that wouldn’t trigger nausea and he accused me of killing the mood. Our child could never be left to cry, that would emotionally damage him. Which of course created terrible sleep habits. I was waking up to the baby up to 5 times a night, continuing until I weaned him at 18 mths. My ex would sleep through all of this, and when I expressed a desire to contact Tressillian and get some help he forbade it, saying I was exaggerating and being a drama queen. I wasn’t allowed to wean my child until he was on holidays so his sleep wouldn’t be interrupted.
He set impossible, contradictory standards that I could never meet. There was always something I wasn’t doing right. Every time I tried to bring up an issue that bothered me, he would somehow turn the conversation around so I ended up apologising for something. Or yell at me until I dropped it. It got to the point where I wished that he’d just hit me, instead of using his words as weapons. Then I could call it abuse and get out of the situation. Things got worse with the second pregnancy, I was much sicker and he was angry that I was sick, and that I didn’t have dinner ready for him when he got home. I was told how much of a burden I was, how fat and repulsive I was and if I really loved him, then I would lose weight, cos he’s worried about my health, etc.
Finally he left 4 mths into my second pregnancy, saying he wasn’t happy, and listing a bunch of things that he disliked about me. He of course changed his mind in a few wks, but those few wks of breathing space helped me realise how much happier and less stressed I was without him around. I didn’t feel nauseous, I didn’t have the walking on eggshells feeling, my life didn’t have to revolve around the mood he was in, his wants, his needs. I also didn’t want my 3 year old son growing up thinking that this was how he should treat women.
I left a lot out, but yeah, ladies you’re not alone in experiencing these sorts of relationships. I never thought I would be in one- I was a university educated woman with a loving supportive family, you’d think I’d know. But I also had no experience with boys, and only one boy before him had ever shown interest in me. I wish someone had told me that just because a boy is nice to you, doesn’t obligate you to go out with him. And when you go out with him, you can break it off at any time, without being a bad person. I should have recognised the warning signs and backed off.
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And I’ll just add, whenever I get into the “I should haves”, one of my friends says to me “Repeat after me- I forgive myself for being naive.”
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Oh bookworm, I posted my story before I read yours and the similarities, excepting the children, are so similar:( and I really like your friends comment about being naive, because that’s what my brother says to me too to bolster me when I start to regret my wasted 20′s. I am sad you had to go through it, but also a little relieved that I was not the only one, if you know what I mean! Xoxoxoxo
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I wEnt to a psychologist after finally ending ab emotionally abusive relationship, because I couldn’t figure out how a person like me was so blind and naive, and I was scared to start a new relationship. The psychologist told me simply “love is blind”. I now take my family and friends opinions about my relationships seriously!
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‘Walking on egg-shells’ – that’s exactly how my friend described it. So glad you managed to break free.
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I have had a close friend in this situation (she’s out now, thank goodness, although still dealing with the aftermath).
For years she was in an abusive relationship, and because we had children the same age, we had something in common that kept us in contact.
There are a few things I have learned from this experience: the first is that this type of abuse is a form of Domestic Violence (something I didn’t know until after she had walked out of the relationship and was dealing with a lawyer); another is that the person in this situation needs someone to talk to who is willing to listen without judgement, because she has to decide to leave for herself, and doesn’t need someone to keep on nagging her.
Of course I occasionally pointed out to her when things weren’t right, such as her husband not letting her have any money, or suddenly leaving the house with both young children without telling her where they were going, and how long they would be, or swearing at her and calling her a bad mother in front of the children… I could go on.
The third major thing I’ve learned, unfortunately, is that if there are children from the relationship, the problem is very, very hard to deal with – at least it is in NSW where fathers’ rights are very strong. This is good in many situations, but not so good where the abuse is emotional and not so visible.
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My first and only boyfriend when I was 14 was emotionally abusive. He was 18 and had had sex before and would out me down all the time. I can look back now and see that he was trying to make me feel worthless so I’d have sex with him. The final straw came when he, with so much manipulation, tried so hard to get me to have sex at the movies. I asked him for my bag, walked out and never looked back.
No regrets but six years on I’ve never had a boyfriend since. I’ve fooled around during this time (no sex – just making out) but nothing serious. I put it down to this relationship and I kind of wonder if things will ever change. Sigh.
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You did the BEST thing ever, all power to you as he sounds like a real treat NOT!
YES things will change, and you will have LOADS of great, bad, funny and crazy sex in your lifetime so just enjoy the ride for what it is now and roll with life.
You got the bad toad over and done with, on with the next one
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I spent three years from age 19 to 22 on and off with a man exactly like Charlie, in regards to how he was emotionally abusive. Reading those chapters in Mamamia felt like I was reading my own biography it was so disturbingly similar. Like Mia, it took distance to finally break the cycle, although in my case it was me that went to London where I not only managed to break up with him and finally move on, but also found an incredible man who every day makes me realise just how bad the other one was and how much he screwed me up emotionally and mentally. It’s amazing that when I was with the abusive guy I felt so successful and happy with work, uni, my friends and family yet for three years I let a horrible man make me feel worthless and incapable of doing anything right. All my friends and family disliked him but I couldn’t see it. Biggest lesson is to trust the people who know you and love you most.
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I’m reading a lot of the comments and noticing a common theme – many of the instances happened when the responder was in their late teens or thereabouts. Is this because at that age we often are not particularly confident about ourselves and therefore an easy target? Or have we just not developed a bullshit detector yet?
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In my case (as I say above I was 19 when it started) he was five years older and incredibly confident. I think for me he was so persuasive and sure of himself that I felt he had to be right about everything, which probably was a lack of confidence on my part. I think as I got older and more confident (and my bullshit detector developed) that was when I was able to take some control back and get out.
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I was 36. All of my previous relationships when I was younger were great, but I had been single for 5 years. It started off wonderfully. The first 3 months were bliss. I couldn’t beleive my luck, but it all went downhill from there. It took me a year to leave him. I think I was so scared of being lonely again and he kept threatening me that if I left I would never ever find anyone else as good as him and he would never come back. So doesn’t only happen to people in their teens.
I was a very confident and happy person. I had a great career, wonderful friends, so I don’t think it’s even anything to do with confidence or bullshit detector.
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For three months in year eleven I dated a boy who was constantly belittling me and threatening to break up with me.
An example of this is when I got A in our literature assesment, he got C. He claimed that he could have done better than me but chose not to. Then, when I received an A on my report, he said “How did YOU get an A?”
He would constantly tell me that he could better my achievements if he wanted to.
He said to me that no other boy would have me and I was lucky to have him. He told me I needed to lose weight (I’m 167cm and 58kg) and told me he wouldn’t meet my father unless I dressed nicely. He was rude to my best friends and accused me of cheating on him.
He also wouldn’t date me until I got my braces off.
At the time I thought nothing of it, but I wonder now, is he on the way to being an abuser? I know his father is, so I do wonder.
Sorry for the rant.
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Never apologise Ruby21. Not a rant. An important story to share. The worst part about abusive relationships is that they can be so hard to recognise……
The more we read each other’s stories, the more alert we will be to the signs of it in our own lives….
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Only a few weeks into a new relationship he started creeping me out. Thank God I left and didn’t tell myself to ‘work on it’. When I broke up with him he flipped out – I have never been so verbally abused in my life, and he’s still annoying me now. In the beginning he made it so very easy, it was such a romantic and seductive trap – but quickly the emotional “weight” of his needs scared me. For me it was just a few weeks, but I really feel for his ex wives.
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder…google it so you can recognise the symptoms and hopefully steer clear of people who exhibit these traits…males and females.
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Yep, wrote a comment below about my experience with it. My (now ex) boyfriend has NPD.
This is a good book about NPD: Why is it Always About You? by Sandy Hotchkiss
Here’s a video about NPD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oxJf9MXidY
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It sounds like you have put up with a lot. I can sympathise as I was once in a relationship with a very controlling/emotionally abusive man. (There are so many similar stories on here!)
Emotionally abusive behaviour is never OK. It’s surprising that he’s changed so much! In my experience, they don’t change really. I guess you need to look hard at your relationship and ask – are some of those behaviours still happening? Do you still feel the urge to check his phone etc.?
Can you picture yourself growing old with him? Never being with anyone else and being happy with that?
Ultimately, your relationship isn’t about your family, friends or anyone else. It’s about you and your partner. You are not going to look silly if you say, “I want out.” Time is never wasted. You will have learnt lots about what you want and (mostly) what you don’t want. Your family and friends would be more upset if you stayed with someone that wasn’t making you happy.
Leaving after 6 years of shit is better than staying for more of the shit, in my humble opinion.
Good luck xxx
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Sorry – I just posted this in reply to someone else’s post – and now it’s gone! Oh well!
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thanks nic, i originally posted a very long story and i just freaked out when i read what i wrote and deleted it…. i appreciate ur comment… i find myself often with no one to talk to about this… so i have apprecaited not only ur feedback but reading everyones stories…its scary how commonly this seems to go on…not all to the same degree of course….
to answer some of what u said… the behaviours arent stil happening.. things are different… we do have the off argument here and there but i feel like its a totally different relationship than that at the beginning… i just sometimes have this itching thing going on in my stomach that i cant seem to get rid of… i think im finding it hard to get over what i allowed someone to do to me… how i allowed someone to treat me…. so now i look sometimes at my partner with a bit of anger…. i dont know what to do… sometimes im just hoping it will sort its self out…. im a forgiving peron when it comes to others flaws…but i dont know if i can forgive myself for allowing someone to treat me so badly…. its hard…. ill either get over it..or move on i feel…i just dont know what to do for the moment….
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anon… I felt that I didn’t have anyone to talk to as well, one reason why I paid a psychologist $210 this morning!!
I am certainly in no position to give any advice (being that I have only just gotten out!) but please please listen to whatever it is that your intuition is telling you. I think as women we have this amazing gift and we just ignore it when really it has our answer every time.
Hugs to you x
P.S. Forgive yourself, be gentle with you ‘cos I am guessing that you need that right now x
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i can relate to quite a few of the stories posted.. my dilemma has always been that when i thought i was gonna leave.. he would spin around and be perfect…or id watch my friends or acquaintances and see that their relationship where no better than mine… so it made me think that its normal.. people have their ups and downs… i get that if the abuse is constant, like week in week out or even daily.. that it does get to a point where enough is enough or something bad happens and u are forced to leave… but what about those of us who have some moments of abuse? its not constant enough that we are always thinking about it.. but it rears its ugly head now and then… does that mean the guy im with is a better skilled one? that he gives me a enough time to calm down and hes all nice and then i think..oh that was just a small fight…. or am in not with someone who is abusive…and we just have some couple fights now and then??? a few insults hurled my way?? but then back to normal… im so confused how to distinguish between the two… as i do sometimes think he might be abusive.. problem is i feel like i am in control… but maybe thats an illusion as well…. help….
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After being in a toxic relationship followed by a healthy one I have to say if you’re not sure then it’s not right. I wasn’t sure either until I had a healthy relationship to compare it to and only then did it become blatantly obvious just how bad the earlier one was.
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Dear DVB x
My situation was similar to yours, it wasnt constant abuse, just some name calling and comments hurled my way sometimes, certainly not daily or weekly. And I just kinda let it go – as much as I didn’t like it at the time, but there were also some really great times, and he could be lovely and caring. We got pregnant so that was also my decision made to stay. Only problem was, it picked up a little. Again, not daily or weekly, but just gradually increasing. Now we have 2 children, and all I want is out. He won’t accept it is over, he won’t move out (of the house I bought, but that is now legally his too), and he hurls the name calling in front of our sons. It is nothing short of emotional abuse, I realise that now, even though it is still ‘not constant’. The thing that someone said to me that made me really think was.. “Don’t compare your relationship to anyone else’s. It doesn’t matter if this relationship is ok for someone else, all that matters is ‘does this relationship make you happy, does this relationship satisfy you and your needs?’. I still feel in control half the time, and feel controlled the other half. I have gotten to the point sometimes where I think ‘maybe its me’, maybe I am the ‘crazy bitch’, as he twists situations round to be my fault. I never wanted to be in this place, a woman in my 30s with 2 young boys, but even though I don’t want this to end, I have no choice any longer as the damage is far to great to repair, and he has no want or need to change. DVB, if you’re not sure about it, maybe its not right, or just not quite good enough. Don’t let it get worse like I did, and have 2 boys watching from the sidelines. Because now I have the tough job of working out how to get out of this (as easily/nicely (?) as possible) – cos sometimes it can get a bit scary, and of course, forever remaining in contact with him as a co-parent. But in my eyes, that’s a much better position than having to live with him (even though its not “constant”) xox Good luck and take care (I need it too) xox
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Your post really resonated with me. I wish us both luck and love in future, healthy love. And our children to be safe and happy.
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