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Screen shot 2011 11 29 at 6.48.50 PM Im 80kg, size 16 and I love my body: Deveny

Catherine Deveny doesn't have a problem with her body

Yesterday we received an email from Catherine Deveny. It was a photo of her in bathers. She was miffed. WHEN, she asked, are women going to stop worrying? She’d read this post on Mamamia and she wanted to stage a coup on dissatisfaction. We asked her a few questions.

Q: You’re sick of the constant portrayal as skinny as the ‘only’ desirable body type. You wanted to say something about female bodies?

A: There will always be men who love big, voluptuous, buxom, ba-boom ba-boom women. They always have and always will and they will NEVER go out of fashion despite what media would have the gullible believe.

Any suggestion otherwise is people manipulating the world to make women feel NOT GOOD ENOUGH. I was watching the ARIAs the other night and every single one of the women looked exactly the same. Skinny, manicured, fake tan, fake teeth, fake tits. Same, same, same, same, same with the exception of Clare Bowditch. She was stunning, glowing and gorgeous.

I was in a supermarket once and I saw this skinny, withered old woman, maybe 75, flicking through at a magazine called Slimmers or something and I wanted to tap her on the shoulder and say “When are you going to stop worrying? You are good enough.”

If women look at any of the stats or any of the scientific research about sexual attraction, men will always find the slightly overweight woman more attractive than the slightly underweight woman.

Q: So bigger can also be sexy then.

A: It’s not all about sexual attraction.  It’s about health and confidence and enjoyment of life! I was perved at by two women the other day.  I went into Babka’s the other day and a woman I sort of knew came up and said hello.  Then another woman I sort of knew joined us. The both admitted they were checking out my ‘awesome curves’ and then realised it was me.

Even today I have ridden 20km, ran 6km and had a shag before I got up and I’m looking forward to having a Mars Bar mud cake for dessert tonight.

It’s only about health to me. Women today never heard anything positive said by other women about their bodies when they were growing up. And even now that’s the case, it’s just constant negativity. This mantra of NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Q: Do you think women feel they constantly need to apologise for the way they look?

A: Well I am not apologetic.  I LOVE and constantly flaunt my 80 kilo size 16 bod. Tight dresses, short skirts and tits out on a daily basis.   I love my 80kilo size 16 bod! I run, cycle, swim, strip off and shag whenever I have the opportunity.

Q: You’re not a fan of bullshit. Where does all this body image ‘bullshit’ come from?

A: I don’t have any daughters to encourage a healthy body image with and the only thing you can do really is set a good example. But I see little girls all the time, constantly told they are ‘pretty’ or ‘isn’t she beautiful’ or alternatively a ‘big girl’ or ‘not much to look at.’ But never the boys. I have sons and their looks are rarely mentioned.  Yet it’s all I hear about girls.  Let me make one thing really clear. Never ever, ever, ever, ever comment on a little girl’s looks. Tell her anything else. Tell her that she is resilient, that she has a good brain, that she has a strong sense of social justice, she’s strong, brave, a good tryer, has great business skills, fantastic critical thinking but NEVER comment on her looks.

You are not good enough. That’s the only message girls get from the media.

Here’s the message little girls need.  It doesn’t matter what people think about how you look. It only matters how you feel about yourself.

Q: But have you felt just as happy when you were thinner?

A: Twice in my life I have lost a lot of weight. When I suffered depression and when I had cancer. I looked sick, like a cadaver.  Yet strangers would tell me how amazing I looked when I was at my most unwell.

You are never going to know the happiest we are to your eye. You are never going to know the best we are to your eye. It is not about that. It is about being healthy.

I see people look back on photos of themselves and say “Look how skinny I was and to think I thought I was fat.”

Guess what people, that might be today.  How you look today you may look back on and wish you hadn’t spent all that time worrying because another you, an older, fatter, skinnier, more secure you may think the way you look today is perfect.

Q: Right, let’s talk advertising and media then. What’s up with the fetishism around women’s bodies?

A: Advertising and media industries sell dissatisfaction. They need to say ‘you are not good enough’ in order to make you buy stuff. They have a vested interest in making sure this happens. It is disease-mongering. That’s what it is.

Choose love.  Choose satisfaction.  Choose you. You are gorgeous.  Someone out there would KILL to look like you.

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Ricki-Lee on the cover of Maxim - heavily air-brushed

Q: Having said all of this, does this make the case of Ricki-Lee’s weight loss a tragedy of pressure? Or is she just doing what she wants?

A; Look I’m not a fan. But I’m not not a fan. I think she’s a gutsy girl and I liked the look of her. From what I’ve read in magazines in doctor’s surgery waiting rooms she hasn’t had it easy and pulled through.   Then I saw the photos of her after she lost all that weight and she looks unrecognisable … but she looked just like everyone else. I’m glad she’s happy, if she is, but I just wish it was a different kind of happy for her. We liked her so much because she was NOT like them but had the confidence to be herself not to subscribe to some unattainable, cookie cutter image dreamed up by people who want women to hate themselves and each other. Never thin, blonde or tanned enough.  Hungry, grumpy and worried.  No thanks.
Just.  Say.  No.

Me? I like my body to be like a statue. Like architecture. Majestic, recognisable, sturdy and healthy. I have never wanted a cookie-cutter body.

Women who are trying to live up to the warped media construction of ‘perfect’ cooked up solely to breed and fertilize dissatisfaction in order to sell stuff are hungry, cranky and worried all the time. There are millions of different shapes and sizes and they are all beautiful. There is no one perfect size. Let’s celebrate that.

Q; And the people who called Lara Bingle fat?

A: The whole Lara Bingle thing, I saw this happy, healthy bird on this poster and something like ‘Lara upset by fat taunts’ and I thought ‘who are these people and why are they calling her fat’? What’s in it for them? They should be stripped down and photographed.

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Lara Bingle on the cover of Who magazine

Q: So, what’s the message then? What does it all come down to for you?

A: I find it sad bordering on offensive women who are size 10 or 12 saying they are fat. Why do you by this dissatisfaction?

I don’t want women to feel like they are trapped in a body they don’t want. And that goes both ways. If you want to be less hungry and grumpier get curvier, eat a little more and exercise less, if you want to be thinner than what you are now, do the opposite. If you are not happy, change. And don’t blame anyone else for it. Own your body. That goes for addiction too. Own what you put into it and what you want it to be. Do you want it to wobble?  Do you want it to be hungry? Your choice.

Sometimes I think “There are people out there and if they had my body they’d think they were too fat and others who would be rapt and think they were skinny. It’s all a matter of perspective.”  I LOVE that new campaign ‘healthy is the new skinny.”  I was so sad to hear the number one thing women and girls want is to lose weight.

Have a pie, go for a walk and look around at the world.  You are good enough. And there are plenty of more interesting, fun, valuable and life affirming things you can be doing than being a slave to dissatisfaction.

There have been people who have been very vocal about my body confidence. Basically saying I didn’t have the right to feel as confident with my body as I am. Not playing the game is very threatening for people. I don’t lie down in the chalk outline drawn for me.

Women with body shapes like mine are rarely seen in the media, but when they are people make a big fizz (Adele, Kate Cebrano, Mad Men’s, Christina Hendricks, Marilyn Monroe). I’ll let you in on a secret, we’re never hungry and we never short of lovers.

Ever.

Just to illustrate how times have changed, attitudes about what society says is ‘sexy’ have done a complete reversal as these old weight-gain advertisements show:

What do you LOVE about your body? Are you willing to show it off? Catherine’s asking readers to send in a photo – in your bathers if you want – to show the world. Ready to take the dare?

Catherine Deveny is a writer, comedian and social commentator. Her novel The Happiness Show will be published in 2012 by Black Inc Books. The photo of Catherine was taken by photographer Carla Gottgens and she is wearing Esther Williams bathers, which you can find here.

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    Alex

    “If women look at any of the stats or any of the scientific research about sexual attraction, men will always find the slightly overweight woman more attractive than the slightly underweight woman.”

    But that’s just the thing – to say that the curvier among us ought to be more highly valued than women with other body types simply perpetuates the root problem behind this discussion: the establishment of a woman’s worth through appearance. It is neither here nor there that men may approve or disapprove of a certain body type! Rather it is the concept of finding acceptance of your body within yourself, and on your own terms, rather than continuing the age-old tradition of women seeking the approval or others in terms of their bodies. And if in fact, this article is meant to promote respect for other women and their bodies, then why is it so unnecessarily unpleasant to the “hungry and grumpy” among us? The complete denigration of women who are “slightly underweight” in this article does nothing for the cause of body acceptance, if anything it undermines it completely.

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      Madge

      Well said Alex with regard to all body shapes being accepted not just those who are curvy.

      What bothers me about this article though is that Australians are now the fattest people in the world. We are now even fatter than Americans. We have major health issues in this country caused by obesity and excess weight such as Diabetes, Heart Disease, Stroke and various Cancers.

      I’d rather have a bit of control now in order to minimise the risk of ending up with one of these preventable diseases.

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      Michelle

      Totally agree with you Alex. While it is a good article in general, it upsets me that once again girls like me are told we’re not as attractive as curvier women. I am naturally slightly underweight. I’m 30 years old, 5’6″ and have been between 48-53kg since i was 16. I eat like a horse, more than most girls and many guys I know. I exercise, but not excessively. I have never had an eating disorder. But despite being a little bit skinny, this is ‘normal’ for me. I too am very healthy and confident. I enjoy life to the fullest and am not dissatisfied. I am never hungry either, and I do eat pies! I love my body too and have plenty of people who find me attractive. I am not grumpy or worried, thanks very much for asking. Oh, and since being single this year for the first time in a decade, I haven’t had any shortage of lovers either. So for goodness sake, accept and love your body whether it’s a curvy size 16+ or a thin size 8. Neither is better or worse, both can be attractive. Both can be ‘normal’ and healthy and live a fulfilling life. Work with what you’ve got, take care of yourself, respect yourself and others. That’s what it boils down to.

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    roxana brunswick

    i love lara bingle – sexy ++
    ricky lee – she is a victim of media ? am i happy ? am i fat ? how much will media pay for non talent???

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    roxana

    i love your body too and mine too – release us from skinny rules and let us be free and live

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    ANON

    Catherine,you cannot be healthy at that weight, it is a cop out. You can’t shovel food into your gob whenever you feel like it and say, “Oh, but I ran this morning so it’s ok, I’m healthy”. Overall health is exercising and eating a healthy balanced diet. If you were really watching what you ate and making sure that it was healthy food, you would not be that heavy. Drives me nuts when people claim to be fat and healthy. Oh and I find you to be a s#@t stirring vulgar woman.

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      roxana

      you are hung up
      catherine is free

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      Anonymous

      who says – i think she looks fab (nno no not leso just think womens bodies fab any size)

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    Shannon

    Catherine and Clementine Ford did a great podcast about this interview/article:

    http://www.catherinedeveny.com/

    I was a bit apprehensive at first, but it has a very positive message by the end.

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    nooglejoogle

    My POV: I don’t really freakin’ care if you’re curvy, skinny, have one weird boob, pointy ears and a 3rd nipple. Why don’t we all just give ourselves all a f*&!king break.. Seriously, do we really care that much and if we do, then no wonder i prefer the company of guys..no cr*pping on about absolute self indulgence.

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    Saer

    Amid the plague of obesity sending people across the country to an early grave, we get Deveny’s nonsense trotted out as some kind of rebel stand.

    Catherine Deveny is dangerously overweight, not healthy. See how happy you are once the diabetes kicks in.

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      Mandy

      One very hungry, grumpy and worried woman above!

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        Anonymous

        I take it you have no point to make about my argument?

        Didn’t think so.

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    Anonymous

    On the “men prefer curvy women” comment – I have a friend who’s partner loves a thin toned physique – my man loves some curves. She is thin an toned, I have curves. Either way, they love us as PEOPLE most of all, and we love them back – the bodies thing just seems to be part of the attraction equation, which is why we all have partners that we are attracted to and love.

    I guess I’m just saying, men don’t fit one mould, just as we don’t, big OR small, doesn’t matter.

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      roxana

      but lets not try and control whats sexy or whats ok

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    Cian

    So, here’s what I find to be the most perturbing aspect in discussions of women’s bodies: the fact that we feel that we’re entitled to talk about women’s bodies AT ALL, and the way the debate is nearly always framed around how sexually attractive a women’s body is to men. Not only is it heterocentric, it’s just incredibly offensive to presume that the determinant of a woman’s satisfaction with her body is tied up with the value attributed to it by men. A woman’s body is her own, and she can inhabit it however she pleases; she shouldn’t have to worry about it being policed by others.

    How about we all stop treating all bodies, but especially women’s bodies like public property.

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    Addonis

    Your story is shallow Catherine and reeks of a desire to be accepted, if your happy with your body then why feel the need to tell the world? ANSWER: because your helping fat girls feel comfortable in accepting they will never fit the stereotype that you are reinforcing indirectly. Fail.

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      Maggie Boulter

      Golly! As the great Dev would say ‘Someone’s got relevance deprivation.’ Cheer up sunshine. I’m sure you are good at something.

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      roxana

      are you happy?
      can you form relationships? that what’s important- fuck how you look

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    Lucy Baker

    Well I only feel good when I am below 56 kilos (I am 5 foot 4). I feel light and energetic, and clothes only look good on me when I am that weight. I think most women feel the same way. I would not be happy as a size 16, and wherever that characteristic comes from, I’m not going to fight it. And I find that if I am tempted to eat a big slab of mudcake, I’m not well emotionally.

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    Tallulah

    I’m kinda starting to be able to look at myself in the mirror. I know it’s pretty stupid that I can’t. My body looks quite a lot like that French Elle plus size model which is linked in the article mentioned here – but I have backfat. Arrrrrgh I hate it so much; I see women literally TWICE the size of me and they don’t have it and it really pisses me off.

    But my mum once said I looked like a Borticelli painting. I wear maxi dresses a lot, and my friend who’s very athletic and skinny (I thinks he’s beautiful) always says I look like a goddess – it’s just bizarre how people’s perceptions of what beauty is is so different – it’s almost like hair, people with straight want curly and vice versa. People who are curvy want to be skinny and people who’re skinny desperately crave curves etc etc it’s enough to do your head in.

    This is Ruben’s “Three Graces” – from the 17th Century – pretty amazing, huh?

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      Anonymous

      Those curvy women without back fat are in shape wear! Seriously, can’t live without it!

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    Elizabeth

    Yes Catherine tell little girls they are smart and capable and then tweet something vulgar about them…. that will increase their self esteem no end.
    Oops that was the OTHER Catherine Deveny who wasnt sacked and didnt have a book flog.
    Sorry you cant it both ways.

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      maggie Boulter

      Clearly she can. And she is.

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    Anonymous

    its amazing that a woman saying she’s happy in her body has attracted 587 comments so far… take a look at yourselves people…

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    Chelsea!

    While this article is fantastic, I do take issue with the line “if you want to be less hungry and grumpier eat more” – it’s not always that simple. I’m 5’2” and tiny (size 4 – 6, and 4 doesn’t even exist here), and that won’t change no matter how much I eat. Genetics, for me at least, plays the biggest part in my body shape. Society seems to think that if you’re small you’ve obviously got an eating disorder, or are a gym junkie or something, and it’s really quite disheartening to have people tell you to eat more or put on a few kgs. I’m happy with the way I look, yes I’m genetically blessed, but I do do lots of dance and pilates to stay toned. I love my body, and I know many women would kill to have my shape. And good on you Catherine for speaking out, you look amazing!

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    jess88

    reading this post and some of the comments here has woken me up to how many women really despise breast implants (fake tits) and I’m a little surprised. I have breast implants but I dont fit the typical stereotype (read: thin, blonde, tanned with huge melons) Im 5’4 75k, fit into a size 12 and have an E cup size. My reason for getting implants was due to the fact my breasts were very obviously uneven (different sizes and shapes) and to correct this my implants are also different sizes. I hated my breasts before surgery. But Im going off topic, my point is that breast implants totally changed my self image. My partner made a comment post surgery that he never saw my pre surgery breasts unless I’d had a few drinks, any time we were intimate I wore a top or bra and only did positions where my breasts were hidden. but since surgery i love letting my partner see my breasts and our sexlife has changed for the better too!! My point is that we dont all get fake tits to aspire to be in Playboy, sometimes our reasons for changing our appearance are more personal. (NB my partner always said he loved my breasts both before and after surgery and never encouraged me to change anything about myself)

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      Me too!

      I loved reading this……..none of my friends know that I also have breast implants….and they often make the ‘fake tits’ comments about women who obviously do have them……I am similar to you in that I was disproportionate beforehand and NOTHING fit me properly! It sounds soooo shallow, but it was impossible to find clothing other than in kids sections that fit me, but now I am just a regular size 8, D cup and I have a healthy body image which I never had a hope of before! I wish I could sometimes be bothered arguing my point (and yours) about why not everyone who has breast implants fits the ‘stereotype’…..or is some airhead bimbo, which is usually the tone in which ‘oh check out her fake tits’ is said! Good on you, Jess88 and thank you for posting this!!

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      LL

      best comment. I agree. I wish women would lay off with the dismissive ‘fake tits’ comments. There’s one thing that upsets me more than men policing women’s bodies, and that’s women policing other women’s bodies! We all should be there for each other! I couldn’t care less what someone does with their body, so long as they are healthy & happy! If breast implants make a woman feel more confident than who am I to judge? I wear make-up, certain clothes, etc because it makes me feel comfortable and confident. How is that different to having breast implants? It’s altering how you look. Straighten your hair? Get a tan? What is the difference?

      Personally, I find the modern preoccupation with ‘natural’ beauty ( a total farce) to be more stifling than any pressure to have breast implants. Ironically, I find it more false. Had to laugh at Miranda’s Kerr’s books about natural beauty – easy stuff for a supermodel to say! Obsession with the natural/unadultered is arguably attached to notions of purity. The digs about breast implants are only a stone throws away from slut shaming and everything that goes with it.

      And you know what? sure natural breasts can be beautiful. But implants can be too. It isn’t about the breasts, it’s about the woman attached to them and how SHE feels.

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    Addy

    I think Catherine has oversimplified the “own your body… Your choice” thing. From a psychological perspective, disordered eating behaviours can be quite complex and challenging to change. For some people, it’s not just a simple matter of deciding that they’ll eat more/less because eating habits are part of a network other cognitive, emotional and behavioural factors. Although they might be a minority, I think it’s important that we acknowledge the experiences of such people when we have these kinds of conversations . I guess I see it like topics like depression: it’s great to talk about positive thinking and exchange hilarious pictures of cats to cheer people up, but obviously it’s important to acknowledge that for some people it’s not that easy to “chin up” and “get over the blues”.

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      rainbow

      to be fair to catherine i don’t think she was trying to encompass everyone. not every article can include every possible spectrum.

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    Alley Cat

    Possibly the thing that frustrates me the most about this article is the idea that we should all be able to eat chocolate cake when we feel like it. Junk food is exactly that – junk, and should not be seen as a ‘feel-good food’. I made a butter cake yesterday because I was stressed out and baking makes me feel better. But I’m not going to have a slice everyday because that wouldn’t be helping my ass, my cholesterol or my self-esteem. These foods are occasional and showing restraint with them should be applauded, not seen as denial of the ‘good’ things in life.

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      not a junk hater

      I get what you’re saying – but some people (like me, ahem), realllly reeeaaally enjoy cake and chocolate and other ‘junk’.

      I know health is important, etc. But I really do believe you can eat junk food as part of your normal diet, as long as it is balanced.

      I have at least one piece of junk a day, and thinking that I couldn’t – well that would be just plain depressing. I get joy out of it – really a lot of pleasure! As do lots of people who love making rich meals, desserts, etc.

      I think it is fine to think of ‘treat’s as a regular part of life.

      If you have your 7 a day, and your protein and whatever other science-y requirements it seems to be believed we need – what is wrong with having a piece of cake (or a biscuit, or some chips, or a bit of chocolate) every single day? What is wrong with that?

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        ParisChic

        I can tell you! A lot of people find it hard to stop at just a few! Me included. I think it’s important to have a reasonable and realistic diet – I definitely agree there is room for treats. But many overweight people have issues that need to be resolved – eg comfort eating, or an addiction to sugar, which make things much more complicated.
        I am trying (and succeeding so far!) to combat my sugar addiction. I have switched to dark chocolate: 85% – the blocks are smaller, the calories are fewer and I can’t eat more than 4 pieces (40g) in one go – it’s just too rich. I’m more than half way to losing 20kg to be the right size for me, and I am totally against deprivation, or even labelling food “bad” because I think it leads to binging. I think *most* people are the size they are because of their choices, and in order to lose or gain weight healthily and for the long term, you really need to change your LIFESTYLE permanently.
        If anyone is interested my blog is here: http://lighterhealthierhappier.blogspot.com
        I haven’t been updating it much over the last few months, but uni is almost over now so I should be able to get back on track!!

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          Tallulah

          I think it comes down to knowing your body and how it works – you need junk food in your diet, even if it’s something once a month. Maybe you know you have a very slow metabolism, you you can only really splurge once a month. Maybe you exercise like hell and therefore allow yourself something once a week. There are no rules. If you’re doing something wrong, it’ll show on your body and how you feel about it.

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            Anonymous

            noone NEEDS junk food ever actually. We just want it cos it’s yummy and it’s easy to get.There’s little nutritional value in anything we consider junk, that’s why it’s called junk. Most people could both survive and be at optimal health if they ate significantly less than they do. Most of our cravings and hunger pangs are totally psychological and nothing to do with out bodies physical needs.

            Most of us just choose to over indulge because we can. And that’s ok, it’s exactly that. A choice. But let’s not pretend it is anything but.

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        Amandarose

        I am trying a new theory about food. So ar it is working and I have lost 3 kg. It is to stop worrying about it. To eat when 8 feel hungry and eat what I crave. I do ‘t always crave junk, but whe. I deprive myself I end up eating to much of something else or thinking about food all the time hence eating anything about the house.

        So I have stopped. I don’t eat as much as I am not thinking about it all the time and I actually like and prefer healthy food so it is win win.

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    joyful&sexybody

    Splendid….you read my mind. I was actually just reflecting on the same topic this week. The man in my life is turned on by my curves and I feel sexier having accepted my body shape as beautiful (and dismissed the relentless negative messages about women’s looks through the media). My focus is on being healthy (eating right etc.) and enjoying life. I’m attractive because I’m exuberant and vibrant (according to my man), not because I have the perfect barbie doll body. Don’t we want happiness? How many of those in the media spotlight who have ‘perfect’ bodies are actually happy? If your partner doesn’t love your body, than does he /she really love you?

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    Bettsy Rose Lee

    Having Polycystic Ovaries I have always been a curvy girl. I started ballet at age 5 and continued for 11 years despite comments from other girls mothers that I was too big for ballet. I loved it and that was all that mattered.
    I did suffer from low self esteem for quite a while from my teens to early 20s but then I discovered burlesque. A performance style where I get to whatever act I want, to the music that I want and wear what I want.
    Originally I never dreamt that I would ever remove my tightly laced corset or bra on stage and reveal myself to an audience of people (90% women btw), surely I would be laughed off the stage and be humiliated.
    Then I saw a performer who was bigger than me onstage twirling her tassles and she was amazing. And if she could do, why couldn’t I?!
    Now when I perform it’s not uncommon for women to come up to me after a show and hug and thank me for having the confidence they lack. And then ask me where they can learn to do what I do!
    When I started burlesque, it was the lure of the feathers and sequins, now it turns out I am an inspiration! And that’s pretty darned cool!
    Oh, and in April I happened to beat 7 gorgeous and talented girls (all of a smaller dress size than myself) to become Miss Burlesque NZ 2011!

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      savannahofaus

      Congratulations on your title, you look fabulous!

      I’ve done a little burlesque myself – I performed at one particular launch party at Bondi Beach (notorious for it’s skinny tanned babes) with a friend of similar size and shape to me and it was amazing how many women came up afterwards and say how wonderful it was to see curvier girls up there!

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      Nicki

      Yay! How awesome to win, doing something you love! You look great, and I love your pink feather skirt – I want one! :)

      Side note – not all women with PCOS are curvy. Both my Godmother and a friend of mine have it, and both have very slight builds, and find it impossible to gain weight. BUT they both have uncomfortably large boobs, and the associated back problems. And they both sleep in their bras, purely because it’s more comfortable for them. Not to mention the unwanted male attention they’ve received over the years.

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      rainbow

      love it!

      thanks so much for sharing!

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    Samantha L

    I’m agreeing with a lot of the comments that call for a celebration of diversity rather than making any kind of woman – size, shape, colour – feel any less than another.
    This is the thing about body confidence: it often can’t occur by itself. The reason this entire argument has happened in the first place is because women have started judging each other; comparing each other; and TELLING EACH OTHER that they are not what they SHOULD be (if there even is such a thing).

    I struggled with Anorexia for years and the only thing that saw me out of it was surrounding myself with friends and family who appreciated me, no matter how I looked. They loved me and supported me and reminded me of all the amazing qualities that are more important to me than my body, such as my intelligence, my humour, my compassion, etc. I’m 5’11″ and I haven’t weighed myself in a very long time (because I no longer find it necessary), but I’d say I’m roughly 85-90kg. I’m incredibly proud of the way I look. I remember when I was at the worst of my illness (50kg) and walking in public, I’d get glances from worried parents that made me feel monstrous. But now, I feel fabulous. Confidence, in my opinion, makes a woman sexier than almost anything else she can have.

    If we really want to tackle this problem, we need to create an environment where women STOP judging, STOP comparing, STOP suggesting what a woman SHOULD be. We should encourage women to be what they WANT, and what they CAN be. Fat, thin, tall, short, wobbly, streamlined; it’s all absolutely beautiful, and so much time is wasted worrying about how you look doing something, rather than focusing on what it is you’re actually doing.

    The moral of this article is not praising fat women or demonising thin ones, it’s about a woman who is happy with herself, who isn’t daunted by advertising or the opinions of others, and who is encouraging that same kind of positive attitude through a medium that has a large reach. Sure, you might not enjoy yourself if you were Catherine’s weight, but YOU AREN’T CATHERINE. You are you. Be happy with you, and be happy for other people who are happy with themselves. We need to do this together.

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    Cate

    So much hate for other women’s bodies here! I developed an eating disorder at 14 (bulimia) which I suffered from for over 20 years. I tried many treatments over the years, most of which have limited success: in patient hospital, support groups, CBT, therapy, medication, out patients clinics, diet programs, hypnotherapy etc for most of these years. But hey I was thin and therefore healthy in many people’s eyes. My eyes used to bled, I had long term dental complications and had all my back teeth removed, my vocal cords were damaged. In short, the public purse paid for a lot of medical treatment.

    Today, I’m 36. I’m 30-40 kilos overweight and a size 18. I have been this size for three years since developing an underactive thyroid. My eating is far from perfect but I no longer spend a period of each day with my head over the toilet. I have normal cholesterol and blood pressure. I still hate exercise to be honest, but I have enough brain capacity these days to run my own not for profit organisation, be happily married and maintain a household and lifestyle which does not place my worth solely around what I eat and my appearance.

    But if you saw me, no doubt your first thought would be how fat I am and how I should lose weight. Losing weight is not easy when you’ve struggled with abnormal eating for many years. I can’t just go to Jenny Craig or WW (both of which I engaged which at my most bulimic-how many points are lost in a purge?). I’ve been to support groups with women my age and older, we’re considered ‘cured’ by the medical fraternity but to the general public we’re just fat.

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    tanya fry

    I’m sick and tired of hearing about who is this weight or who has lost that weight. I’m tired of seeing overweight women in womens magazines say “i love my new curves,” then 6 months later they have lost 20kg and it’s “i love my new body.” Boring and painful. It’s great this woman is happy with herself but isn’t there something more interesting to talk about. This does nothing except add to all the hooha.

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    Emma

    I’m 50kg, size 8. I run, cycle and have sex pretty much everyday. I have mud cake for dessert.
    And I think you’re sexy.

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    kerricross

    I have struggled with my weight for many years. Some times I would lose a bit and then I would put it back on. I never had an issue with body image, I am who I am and my partner loves my curves. However, at age 40, I have been diagnosed with type 2 Diabetes, it runs in my family and I was 97 kilos at the time of diagnoses. Now i HAVE to lose weight to help manage the diabetes and reduce my blood pressure and to avoid having to go on insulin injections and blood pressure tablets. Sometimes when a woman who is curvy loses weight, its not because they want too, but because they HAVE too. There is too much emphasis on weight, whether it be too much or too little. People are people, we are all the same on the inside. If being overweight makes you unhappy or ill… change it. If you’re happy and healthy just the way you are then stay the same. Its really that simple.

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    lucindainthesky

    As a woman of my word, here is a bikini picture of me. Sorry about the crap self-photography quality. Just wanted to follow through just to make sure people weren’t thinking I was all hot air. haha

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      You look amazing!

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      Nicki

      Don’t worry about the crap photography! We see you! And you are lovely!

      Your body is your vehicle (spelling?), *how* do you use your body? What are your hobbies?

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      lucindainthesky

      Thanks guys!

      How do I use my body? Well, being a single woman I don’t have NEARLY enough sex, but i do eat plenty of chocolate to compensate haha I exercise regularly but not particular strenuously. Just walking/jogging never more than 5km at a time, yoga and swimming… I’ve only just discovered how fabulous swimming is for arm and shoulder tone. Slow on the uptake I know!

      Cheers guys!

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    maxi(nopunintended!)

    Catherine, i am pleased that you feel so comfortable with your body, and clearly from all the activities you list, it is serving you well: I think we should all celebrate our own version of natural beauty and loveliness – that is, our non-chemically enhanced skin tone, teeth that might be crooked or not quite white, and our breasts/feet/nose/whatever in the size and shape they are. However, please don’t be deluded into thinking that because you are OK with being overweight that you are healthy – the hard fact is, that for women, having a waist = or > 80cm puts you at real risk of having a heart attack, not to mention increased risk of cancers, diabetes, infertility, arthritis…the list goes on. Feeling OK about how you look is a seperate issue to being healthy – and I think celebrating obesity is as bad as celebrating being anorexic.

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      Catherine Deveny

      You will be thrilled to know I’m incredibly healthy, my waist is tiny, my blood pressure is ridiculously low so too my cholesterol and I have a resting heartbeat of 48. Oh and I don’t drink or smoke. I am obscenly healthy. Best you get educated that weight is no indicator of health and the BMI has been discredited and linked to eating disorders. Wouldn’t want you looking like a wally making cracks like that again! Thanks for lovely and heartfelt concern. I am sure you will rest soundly tonight. Come over before breakfast and join me for my run. Tomorrow is 10 km.

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        Nicki

        Resting hearbeat of 48? Catherine, I love how you take the piss…..lol!

        While everyone else is having a rant, allow me to have my own: I hate how people tell me not to smoke….as if other people aren’t polluting the air with their car exhaust….. carbon monoxide will kill you faster than passive smoking, folks! It’s my life! If I die, I’m not going to leave any kiddies motherless, either…..I chose not to have them….and I’m considerate enough not to smoke around others….but just don’t tell me not to smoke in an outdoor area…al-fresco wouldn’t exist in this country if smokers weren’t banished outside! OK????

        If you don’t think the exclusion of smokers isn’t related to the wide variation of women’s body shapes, think again….

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          kait

          Fine, if you want to smoke then do so. But please get private health insurance so my tax payer’s money doesn’t have to go on your cath lab procedures or coronary bypass grafts.

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            Nicki

            kait, approx 70% of each packet of cigarettes sold in Australia is tax/excise. I am MORE than paying my way, thanks.

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              You have a point about those taxes. I agree that we have gone too far with our intolerance for smoking. I don’t do it myself anymore but I don’t begrudge people the right to indulge if they desire, especially when they are thoughtful about their habit as Nicki is. I think we’ve become a little nasty in our intolerance. people shouldn’t be made to feel like social outcasts because they smoke.

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              Melissza

              Actually, the tax on tobacco (around 56%, not 70%) is not the only way smoking helps the economy: a study in 2000 found that the cost of healthcare for smokers is far outweighed by the reduction in healthcare and pension costs resulting from smokers’ early deaths. If you are lucky enough to live to a ripe old age though, the taxes you’ve been paying are not going to cover your expenses.

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            Anonymous

            kait, will you also ask the person who drinks alcohol on a moderate basis to get private health insurance or the people who indulge in junk food too often and exercise not often enough to get private health insurance as well?

            Unless you are living a super clean lifestyle, everyone is contributing to any health care they will need in the future, so don’t go picking on smokers because I bet my bottom dollar that you are impacting your own health in some way right now that the tax payer may have to pay to correct in the future.

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          Katey

          Nicki – I totally agree with you. I’m not a smoker, and I HATE smelling smoke – but if you’re not smoking in my face then what business is it of mine?

          This ridiculousness of ‘get private health insurance, you’re wasting my taxes’ has got to stop – Cigarettes are taxed to the max, and there are a million other ‘lifestyle’ choices you could attack, so how about we just stop it.

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            Thanks Rachael and Katey. The way I see it, both of these issues (body-shaming, habit-shaming) are related. It’s the “Us Vs Them” mentality.

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        it’s becasue I am very well educated in such matters that I made the comments I did. I didn’t mention BMI because for some time it has been superceded by waist circumference (and/or waist-height ratio) – ideally <80cm for women; <90cm for men – as a more reliable predictor of health. Quite obviously, someone who has a waist circ above this is going to be overweight (from a health perspective) Looking and feeling spectacular (even when we are overweight) is a separate issue, and as you say, women especially should nobe judged on their appearance but the current trend – not just you – to endorse "big is OK" seems to be a backlash against all the years of idealising the underweight (celebs, models etc) and I just question how helpful it is for people who unlike yourself are not fit &out runing 10k and are carrying a lot of abdominal fat ..although in that very guarded pose, it's hard to tell how teeny tiny your waist really is.

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          rainbow

          sorry but do you personally know catherine and have you measured her waist circumference?

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            ClaireC

            Maxi may not have measured Catherine’s waist, but I’d bet money it’s not under 80cm.

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        Anonymous

        you are so obnoxious it hurts my eyes

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        lucindainthesky

        Ha! I wonder what Catherine’s resting heart rate was when she looked like this before she got fired from The Age then? 30? Something has definitely changed…

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          Catherine

          Same size, same weight, same exercise. Different angle. Taken in 2010. Wore that frock last night.

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            Lucinda

            Well I stand corrected then. I apologise. It’s a sexy lil frock anyway :)

            If your resting heart rate really is 48, I must say that’s pretty enviable! You’re an elite athlete Catherine!

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              Rhiannon

              Resting Heart rate is largly down to genetics, It doesnt always indicate fitness or health
              I have me relatively sedentary people with resing HR’s of 50 and people who work out intensly with a Resting HR of 70. but looking a other fitness tests the more acive people we the fitter ones

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          Anonymous

          Gee lucinda could you be any more snarky?

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            Lucinda

            I’m sure I could if I put my mind to it! I was merely asking if something had changed because Catherine looks thinner in last years promotional shots than the bather photo. Don’t get me wrong, she looks fabulous in both. I just wondered if her perspective had changed that’s all. I’d be keen for her to write another article with more emphasis on her own relationship with her body image d without positioning thin women as cookie cutter. I feel, and Catherine may correct me again if I am wrong, that the fact that she was looking at all the “bodies” at the ARIAs and comparing them to her own, and then felt compelled to write this piece screams out that she is still struggling a little bit with body image. I have suffered with body image issues and depression myself and seen and known many people have had similar issues. In my experience, and it may be a gross generalisation, people who are actually really happy with how they look don’t feel the need to talk about it at all, in either a negative or positive light. The ones who neither put themselves down, nor talk themselves up are the ones who truly don’t care what anyone else thinks. I think Catherine cares. Deeply. I’d love for her to write another piece and prove me wrong :-)

            By the way I think its quite refreshing to have the courage to put your name to your posts. Something to think about ;)

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              put your name to your post

              I really DON’T get the argument so many make on this site about putting a name to a post? After all I could tell you that my name is Maria – when for all you know it could be Frank!

              Seriously what bloody difference does it make?

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        Lucy Baker

        There you go – so Catherine, you have a tiny waist! Any woman can be huge with a tiny waist and look fabulous. Catherine, how do you feel about women with thick waists? Still gorgeous? Be honest now.

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        JessieMeg

        Thank you Catherine for mentioning the problems with the BMI.
        I am a little taller than 160cm, size 12-16 (depending on what brand) and weigh about 90kg. BMI = Obese

        I had a GP tell me I was very unhealthy and needed to lose weight, based on my BMI. I do personal training twice and week, and while I wouldn’t mind losing a few kg – I don’t think my body would look healthy if I was in the “healthy” BMI range. I think I’d be too skinny.

        Also, I like having boobs!

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      Melinda Ayre

      I absolutely agree. I train four times a week and eat well to stay healthy – not skinny. I am sick and tired of articles celebrating so-called
      curves when obesity and unhealthy eating is a huge problem in our society today. Let’s celebrate fit and healthy bodies Catherine – not obesity! You are confusing feeling good about your curves with physical health. Running and then eating a huge mud cake dessert just cancels out any fitness effort.

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        Nicki

        Yeah…..but. Why should anyone be made to feel bad about having a run, and then eating a “huge” mud cake, Melinda?

        Maybe there’s not enough joy in day-to-day life for many, otherwise we wouldn’t be indulging in “vices”.

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          Anonymous

          You don’t seem to have anything better to do than post comments on mammamia! You’re all over the place! I notice you’re a smoker so obviously health isn’t a priority for you. I still stand by my comment – junk food is a fast track to ill health. As is smoking and obesity. People who are overweight (or smokers or generally unhealthy, try to make themselves feel better with comments like “I can’t help it, it’s my vice” Don’t be so weak – be strong, fit and own yourself. You don’t need cigarettes or mud cake to feel good. Without health you have nothing. Good luck!!

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        Anonymous

        Maybe Melinda she runs SO she can eat the mud cake? Which if that is the case that’s her choice.

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    Alison

    Hungry? Cookie cutter? I’m 5″10, 52kg. I can’t put weight on to save myself. I’ve been labelled waif, surf board, look like a boy…. I would never get breast implants, but I please ask everyone to consider those who choose to may have also suffered bullying, self esteem issues.

    The problem here is not skinny or fat, it’s the ‘us vs them’ attitude. I envy curvy women and always have. But I’m not starving myself, not obsessed. Please stop judging thin women. Genetics is not something we can choose.

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      Tallulah

      I was gonna say, reversing the issue and vilifying super skinny ladies ain’t gonna help no one either… =/

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    kylieryan

    Absolutely true Ella. Love Catherine living the message of healthy and happy whatever the size, there needs to be more role models like her out there. I see it every day with the women in my practice, when they shift their inner perception from “not good enough”, to “worthy, loveable, good enough” then their whole lives change and their bodies find a natural balance and healthy shape & size for them.

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    Ella

    So I’ve been at a lot of different weights. From emaciated to obses to somewhere in the middle. A decade of anorexia & bulimia has taught me a lot.

    I don’t care that Catherine weighs 80kg (& I don’t agree with weights being published anywhere – it doesn’t prove anything). I don’t care that a celebrity weighs 30kg.

    Because the only thing that can make you happy about how you look is your brain. We need to fix our brains, not our bodies.

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    Dazzle Strandz

    This article has very sage advise. The whole tone is quite positive. My favourite concepts are “don´t comment on little girls physical aspects” “realise that there are MANY things to focus on and enjoy in life” “be confident and enjoy yourself”

    These are concepts that women don´t learn or tell themselves often enough.

    I´ve been to lunches and meetings with women who JUST talk about how to lose weight and what plastic surgery they would like to get. I´d like to go to lunches and meetings with women and have in-depth conversations about the things we love – travel, wind-surfing, rowing, great books and movies etc.

    I´ve had some great meetings with women lately where we discussed business strategies, and at the point I didn´t see bulges, curves or dresses, but just amazing minds, which was inspiring and very ´feel-good´

    As I get older I look less and less at the physical and more and more at character. It´s more interesting and after you have met someone innovative and inspiring you leave the place feeling elevated.

    It´s time we stop with the obsession with our bodies. The truth is, no one really cares if we have cellulite or slightly crooked teeth or a few extra pounds. As long as you look clean, healthy and you make a little effort, that´s all that really counts.

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    Nicki

    Challenge accepted.

    Here I am, last Christmas holidays with a 15 kg mackerel I caught. It was delicious by the way :)

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      Catherine Deveny

      I LOVE that pick. And the mackerel. Thank-you SO much you made my day.

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        Nicki

        I’m glad you like it Catherine. We are more than how we look, our bodies aren’t *just* for decoration.

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    Anonymous

    I can’t believe those thighs can cycle 20km & run 6 km & still be that big! That would dishearten me after all that effort exercising!

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      Kris2040

      Why? Exercising your muscles makes them grow and be stronger.

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      Catherine Deveny

      I adore my thighs! That’s how I want them to look. HOT!

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      Catherine Deveny

      I would be disheartened if I didn’t have the guts to put my name to my comments.

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        Anonymous

        Well I’m not disheartened in the slightest :P

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        ClaireC

        I’m happy to put my name to it and say I agree with anonymous. And Kris2040, I have been involved with competitive body shaping, and I can assure you that women just don’t have the testosterone to make them bulk up by doing weights; stronger and more defined yes, but bigger, no.

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          You dispute that working your muscles makes them grow?

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            Rhiannon

            I do! theres alot more to gaining muscle size that simply ‘working’ the muscle, different exercises cause diferent changes to muscle structure.

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      Shazza

      Catherine specifically said she wasn’t exercising in order to look physically smaller, so why would she be disheartened? I think you’re disheartened because you can’t stand the idea of people enjoying themselves and doing things you’ve denied yourself. Grow up and don’t be so nasty. And of course muscle adds to size.

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    Anonymous

    catherine you forgot katie noonan – broke the physical mould at the ARIAs. and upon reflection, i agree that your article and argument are let down by the negative comments abotu women that are skinny. born that way or FITH to get there, they dont deserve a bucketing re body shape any more than you do.

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      Lovena

      I saw Elixir with Katie Noonan at the Ellington Jazz Club in October and she was, dare I say it, a goddess. Perhaps it had to do with the setting and the tunes but the way she carried herself on stage, teased her way with the music and audience by inviting us into this world of Noonan awesomeness just created a night of magic! The chemistry between her and her hubby and how she utterly owned her stage presence astounded me. All I knew of her was that she’d been in George but I won’t forget that night or the dress she wore! Damn it I want her dress!

      Sadly, it was the first time these sheltered eyes had seen a woman with her shape utterly own her body. I was impressed, I was inspired and my last two clothing purchases were inspired by what I saw and heard that night. She’s amazing as are other women who (regardless of size) look after and love themselves…When those two are done, one can’t help but project that je ne sais quoi onto the wider audience! It’s infectious!

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    Madam Bipolar (@SawHole)

    I am 80kgs too and wear a size 14, but I used to be 88kg and I am proud I lost that weight. If I kept going I would have been pre-diabetic. Being too big is not a good thing for your health.

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    Peg

    I’m a 36 yo mother of three. I am 5’4 and hover anywhere between 55-59kgs. I (mostly) eat an excellent mainly plant based diet, I exercise a lot and I take very good care of myself (dentist, pap smears, etc). I wear size 6-8-10. However I suffer from crushing body image issues. I am tortured by constant thoughts about my weight/size and what I eat. I think about this hundreds of times throughout the day, it is never far from my mind. I am able to hide it really well, so no one would know what a huge exhausting thing it is for me. My biggest fear is that I will pass this on to my three kids, especially my 2 little daughters. I feel my problems come from my mum (bless her heart, I don’t blame her for this), who in turn got it from her mother…. I will break the cycle though, I’m determined. If I could cure my tortured mind I would.

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      Kris2040

      Get a referral from your GP to a psych and ask your GP to do a mental health plan for you. It gets you medicare subsidised psych appointments. You need to stop torturing yourself!

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    Yasmin

    Catherine, I have to start by saying that i really don’t think your photo shows you truly being happy with what you look like, you are siting in a position that hides a lot of your body. I am 37 and since having 5 children starting 15 years ago, I have strived to maintain my ideal body image, i don’t ever want to be skinny as in showing bones and gaunt but i watch what I eat and exercise all the time to stay between a 10 and a 12 for me this is perfect in my eyes, I have had fake tits as you put it, and I see know problem with this as after having 5 kids my breast were lets say very ordinary, but I don’t feel in anyway this makes me the same same same as all the women who have this done. I think there is a huge difference between curvy and fat there is nothing wrong with curved hips, curved bum nice chest but fat is different and I think a lot of people confuse the two. I think if you are a bigger person and your happy with that then that is great, but you should also be dressing accordingly too there are many women who are carrying extra weight and who look absolutely fantastic when they are out and about but I have to say big women do not look great in bikinis, tight mini skirts, skinny jeans, crop tops and short shorts, this is not showing off curves and being confident, this is not a nice look on anyone, so i guess what i am saying is it shouldn’t be about a particular weight, more what each woman herself is happy with but don’t try to display that men love bigger women, and we can pull off wearing all that stuff too as it just isn’t so. I will add that you are wrong with not being able to tell your children they are beautiful, because they are.

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      jazzhands

      bravo
      *stands and applauds*
      you put it perfectly
      and if she can even walk 10km without her heart giving out, I’ll be darned

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    vanessayoung

    The thing that annoyed me about the Lara Bingle story in Who was that this is not what the story turned out to be. It turned out to be the usual twaddle about new house, new diet, new exercise regime. Ho hum.
    I never did find out who called Lara fat. And I don’t care, why don’t they put up the real headline of the story. “Look at Me” The headline is just another way of telling a non story. It’s “what sells now, I know a body image story.”
    It reminds me of what my English teacher used to say when prepping for exams. Learn an essay and use your opening paragraph to turn the question around to fit your essay.

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      fitzy

      aha! therein lies the rub…who DID call her fat???

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      Anonymous

      your english teachers has taught you well vanessa. Good work.

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    Non Domestik Goddess

    This is a great post in many ways-but it saddens me it’s even necessary. I also don’t agree with saying things like ‘men prefer curves’; partly because it shouldn’t be about male approval, and partly because while noble in intent to promote fat acceptance, we shouldn’t go the opposite way either. Fact is all bodies can be beautiful, and it’s time we (as a society) got over trying to prescribe what is or isn’t socially acceptable. Fat *can* be unhealthy, but then skinny people can often be more so. I suggest anyone with an interest in this issue does some reading on health at every size,.

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    lucindainthesky

    I’m really over the body love articles that still somehow convey the same old tired message that one body type is more attractive than another. This article is no different, it’s little more than a fat acceptance article telling any woman who is slender that men don’t find them as attractive as women with “curves”…whatever curves are anyway.

    How is a woman at size 10 or 12 considering herself to feel like she’s carrying extra weight “offensive” anyway? What if she is a tiny frame or actually just prefers the way she feels when she is not carrying extra padding? I thought it was about how you feel and how healthy you are? Comments like that are just as offensive as anti fat comments. I can tell you now, at 5″1 I have been at my heaviest 59kg and still size 10 and that for me was carrying more weight than I was comfortable with. Yep, oh my god, shock horror! I didn’t feel great.

    Add some regular exercise to the equation and eating less rubbish and I quite easily maintain a weight of 47kg. I’m not underweight, fit size 6 clothes, and I feel good. And, get this, I still have “curves”, whatever they are, I still have boobs and men still want to have sex with me. Actually more men want to have sex with me that before. Who woulda thought hey? Maybe I’ll submit a photo in my bathers just to prove a point!

    As for little girls, telling them they are beautiful is perfectly fine. No matter their weight or if other people think they are plain. Especially if you are their mother. If a mother can’t tell her daughter that she’s beautiful inside and out, who will? Everyone wants to feel beautiful, even you Catherine… thats why you published a photo of yourself in bathers.

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      LL

      I’m around 5″6 and 46kg. Yes, I’m thin, but I have curves, and I don’t do anything intentionally this way. It’s just the way I am. And most of the time I feel happy and comfortable with myself.

      There are times I feel uncomfortable though – when? When people tell me there’s something wrong with me. When other women tell me I’m too thin. When I hear jibes about ‘eating a burger’ or insinuations about an ED (something I find pretty offensive – not only for what you say about my appearance, but for the sanist, sexist, ignorant pop-psychology diagnoses that is offensive to those who actually suffer with an ED.). The talk about ‘what men prefer’ (as though I give a fuck!). The DOVE commercial that so sadly implied that there was such thing as a ‘real’ (and hence, unreal) woman. And lastly, when I read articles like this, ones that should leave me feeling impassioned about supporting my sisters in the fight against sizeism, but that leave that same foul taste in my mouth.

      Stop policing women’s bodies. Stop designating what is and isn’t ok. Stop assuming how sad/happy/healthy/unhealthy/sick/hungry/fake/real or sexy a woman is from what they weigh! Stop acting like it’s ok to objectify women! There have been days where I’ve come home, feeling like pulling my hair out from the many comments people make. I am a strong person – but this is the result of frustration. Frustration with how we treat each other. You don’t have dibs on my body – it isn’t an object that you are entitled to critique.Catherine’s assumptions about a ‘cookie-cutter’ appearance don’t speak on the reality of our society – a place where NO woman is told she is good enough.There is no ‘ideal’ – just a vague yet persistent insinuation that none of us are or ever will be it. So let’s not turn on each other. Let’s not talk down to skinny girls, or girls with fake boobs, or fake teeth, or fake hair, or fake tans. Let’s not talk about who is real, who is sexy, who is sturdy, who is strong or statuesque. Your eyes will deceive you. Let women talk for themselves – hear who or what they are and make no assumptions.

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    Kate O

    I am 5ft 9″ and weigh 55 kg’s. I am getting a breast augmentation (or fake tits as you put it so eloquently). I am a little obsessed with fake tan and love to get my nails done on the occassion, I also have veneers on my teeth because they were odd shaped. I rarely leave the house without fussing over what I wear and having done my hair and makeup. I guess to you I would be one of those cookie cutter women, the women who are same, same, same. I exercise, diet and have my brains shagged out daily, I am also a HD journalism student- yes oh my God, I also have brains!

    I don’t understand how you can send out a positive body image message while putting down anyone who dares to have blonde hair, fake tan, veneers, be ‘skinny’, or even lose a few kgs?

    Catherine, in that bikini shot alone you are wearing a bikini that is designed to ‘suck you in’, you are wearing makeup and have your hair done and are posing in a way that covers most of your body. You too are guilty of faking it. So I don’t think you are in a position to critisise anyone who desires to look a certain way that doesn’t fit your personal prescription of normal, again- not helping your cause.

    While I understand you are coming from ‘the other end of the scale’ on this one, saying “If women look at any of the stats or any of the scientific research about sexual attraction, men will always find the slightly overweight woman more attractive than the slightly underweight woman” is really not helping your cause. I could say “If you look at scientific research, if you have a waist measurement of more than xxx then you will die 10 years younger than your skinner counterparts”, really Catherine. not. helping.

    I am most disappointed all in all. I strongly believe that we may all have our own opinions but your twitter diatribes make me feel very uncomfortable about this whole thing- you have taken it too far Catherine. This is no longer a dinner party.

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      Kris2040

      Fake tits is what they are, Kate, dress it up however you want.
      Isn’t Catherine saying that you shouldn’t feel compelled to get fake tits, fake tan, fake hair colour, worry about going out without makeup? Why is it so horrible to talk about that and say that it’s a good way to be?
      Notice a repetitive word there, at all?

      She doesn’t have a go at people losing weight, or wanting to put on weight. She’s saying that it’s sad that if you look at the ARIAs, or Who, or NW, the girls in the public eye all look very similar – and it’s true, with a few infrequent exceptions.

      You’re disappointed in what Catherine’s written, she’s disappointed that people feel the need for so much fakery. So am I.

      But hey, it’s up to you of course. If you feel the need for the fakery, go ahead. I think it’s sad you do though. I’d rather people just work with what they’ve got and be OK with it and not worry so much about what everyone thinks (which in reality probably isn’t that much anyway, as everyone seems to be worrying what others think too much to worry about others).

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        Kate O

        Kris, your response is just as hurtful as Catherines article. Sitting here in my casual clothes no makeup, hair not done I feel great, I know I am healthy and happy. Going out I wear makeup and do my hair because I want to always look presentable. It is part of my job to look the part all the time and I am HAPPY with that and I ENJOY that. It is fun, but it doesn’t define me.

        The reason I want FAKE tits is because I literally just have nipples, like a little boy. I am HAPPY, HEALTHY and LOVED by my friends and family just the way I am, I’m not doing it to please you or my boyfriend, I am doing it because I want to, I’m not getting giant melons that scream i’m fake I’m not getting them because I’m a slut. I’m not getting them because they will fulfill me or make me happier, I’m getting them because I want them.

        I don’t need to justify my choices to anyone and I certainly don’t compare myself to anyone.

        Thankyou very much for your incredibly insensitive and offensive post. I thought this post was supposed to be about positive body image but you have made me feel even more pathetic and ridiculous than Catherine.

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          Kris2040

          Kate – please go through what I wrote, and match it up with what you’ve said. I didn’t say ANY of what you’re putting up there.

          I stand by what I said. I do think it’s sad that you feel the need for fakery and that you feel to be presentable you need to put make up on just to go out. I really do.

          Go and have a deep breath and come back and have a look at your post, my post and your response, and see where the negativity is coming from. All the suggestions as to why you’d want fake boobs has come from you.

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            Kate O

            I appreciate the sentiment but I really don’t care that you think the choices I make about myself are sad or fake. I am happy, confident, smart and above all else healthy.

            I’d also like to add that all I am doing is changing something I don’t like, being bold and doing something for me as you supported in another comment, and I quote:”You know what, PG? From reactions when I’ve said similar on different posts on here, the idea of being bold, and changing something if you don’t like (no matter what it is) is what people seem to have trouble with, and get the most defensive about! Is it that scary?”

            Obviously we lead very different lives which call on us to present ourselves very differently. I can appreciate that we come from different perspectives.

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              Kris2040

              Um, I did say if you feel the need to fake it, go ahead. Please don’t try and paint me as a hypocrite. I’m not.
              I am saying that I think it’s sad that to feel better you feel the need to make yourself “presentable” by getting your hair coloured, putting makeup on and getting surgery.

              Thanks for not acknowledging my point about the negativity too.

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            lucindainthesky

            Why is putting make up on to go out considered fakery? I don’t bother with make up every time I leave the house – I live in a tropical climate and it only sweats off and smudges anyway – but I know I feel better when i know I have put on some make up and done my hair and made sure i was wearing decent knickers in case I’m in a car accident haha. I really don’t think there is any need for this extremist stuff. If you like wearing make up and feeling girly there’s nothing wrong with it, just as there is nothing wrong with not caring an iota about makeup and clothes. We are all different, that’s what makes the world go around. People need to stop judging other people just because they have different ideas about what makes them feel good.

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              Kate O

              amen to that!

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              Kris2040

              I’ve used “to go out” as I understood it from Kate’s original post – as in to leave the house. I do think that’s sad that anyone (and there are plenty of people on this site) feels the need to change how they look with makeup every single time they head out the door. What’s good about it?
              I’m not saying not to wear makeup, I’m saying it’s sad that people feel they can’t be considered presentable without it.

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              Kris, who are you to judge that it ISN’T good? What makes you the messiah of what should be considered sad or fake? Or “presentable” for that matter? You are only having a go at Kate because you’ve pigeon holed her as insecure about her looks, but the fact is that you don’t actually know that about her at all.

              No-one is disagreeing that there are women and girls who feel a compulsive need to be done up like Barbie dolls all the time and freak out if they put on 100g of weight, and that IS sad, because it is an insecurity thing. I have an 18 year old cousin who is tiny tiny tiny and got a boob job the moment she was 18 even though she already had boobs and loves to plaster ridiculous cleavage pictures of herself all over facebook just so that her friends will tell her how great her titties are. But not every woman that has had a boob job or dyes their hair or wears make up falls into that category. There is certainly no real evidence that Kate does :)

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              Kris2040

              Lucinda – read Kate’s first and subsequent posts, then get back to me. This: I am getting a breast augmentation (or fake tits as you put it so eloquently). I am a little obsessed with fake tan and love to get my nails done on the occassion, I also have veneers on my teeth because they were odd shaped. I rarely leave the house without fussing over what I wear and having done my hair and makeup.

              This: Going out I wear makeup and do my hair because I want to always look presentable.

              What is so wrong with thinking it’s sad that people aren’t happy in their own skin?

              The pigeon holing has been done by you guys – I have only responded to that.

              I think you know there is truth in what I’ve said and what Catherine’s said, and you’ve got all defensive.

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              I’m not defensive Kris, all I’m saying is that while you or I might not give a rats about fake tan or porcelain veneers (for the record I think unless your teeth are really bad, veneers are horrid), that it doesnt mean that someone who enjoys that stuff isn’t happy in their own skin. We’re all vain to varying degrees, there’s no use in sugar coating it. Vanity is what makes people wash themselves, clean their fingernails and iron their clothes before they leave the house. And for some people that extends to straighening their hair or getting a regular manicure.

              There’s nothing wrong with feeling sad for those people if you want, but in my experience it’s a waste of energy because many of the people who are picky about what they look like arent actually unhappy with themselves, they just enjoy the ritual of glamming up, or are incredibly vain. Or both. Sympathy is not required! hehe

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          Shannon

          Hi Kate :) I think Kris is just saying what a lot of women think about breast implants – that’s it’s horrible that someone would feel that they would be better with them, and aren’t comfortable in their bodies before breast implants.

          In my experience (not speaking for/in reference to Kris) a lot of people who say that are those who have boobs. They haven’t lived in your body to know what it’s like to be so-called “flat chested”.

          I flirted with the idea of breast implants myself and I did come to the conclusion that I probably would be getting them for other people, to feel accepted, and I was sad that I should feel pressure to change my body in that way. But that was the decision for me, and it’s not going to be the decision for everyone else.

          So I guess what I’m saying is that I understand where you’re coming from and as long as you’re getting them for you – if it will make you feel more comfortable, or make buying clothes easier or whatever – then by all means, get them. For me it’s not really any different than having a birthmark removed, or your teeth straightened with braces…people had something they didn’t like about themselves, and they changed it. It’s your body!

          Just so long as you know that you’re beautiful just the way you are, as well :)

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            Kate O

            Thanks Shannon, It really is only small breasted women who understand when another woman contemplates breast surgery!

            btw in stalking other posts you seem to be the loveliest person!

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              P.S: Naw, thank you! I just prefer making friends than enemies :D

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              Emma in Melbourne-land

              There’s nothing wrong with wanting to look your best. Some women don’t like makeup, others do. Some are happy with crooked teeth, others want to fix them. Some are happy with the way their body is, other’s aren’t. Any judgement about what Kate is saying is unneccessary and it’s not for us, who don’t know her, to think she is an unhappy fake. Kate has made it clear that she’s neither of those things…Good for you Kate!

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            Kris2040

            Yes, I come from a booby perspective. I make no secret of that. But Kate’s reaction to what I said suggests a lot of what you talk about, Shannon. Totally defensive, saying I’m being mean, whatever. I wasn’t at all. It all came from you, Kate.

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              Shannon

              Nothing wrong with coming from a booby perspective! I think it’s just one of those “you don’t know what it’s like” situations…not that I like to take that stance :P

              But I think, as a small-breasted woman, you do tend to get more defensive. You get told frequently that you’re abnormal, so you kind of get programmed to read negativity in the comments of other people, if that makes sense? You assume they’re judging you, because that’s what so many other people have done, and text is especially easy to read in a tone that is different to that intended by the author.

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              Kate O

              Hahah, this site is like highschool sometimes!

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            Lulu

            “For me it’s not really any different than having a birthmark removed, or your teeth straightened with braces…people had something they didn’t like about themselves, and they changed it. It’s your body!”

            People change a number of things they don’t like about their body, and I’ll be open about admitting that some of them make me sad. Women of East Asian origin sometimes get ‘eyelid surgery’ (I think it’s called?) so that their eys will look more ‘western’. Some women of African origin use skin-lightening creams.

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              Kris2040

              I’d suggest fake boobs are bit different too, seeing as how they’re bags of whatever they use these days getting put into you in a surgery.

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              Shannon

              I don’t necessarily support that. Tbh, eyelid surgery sounds kind of scary. But let’s say (in a different context) someone had droopy eyelids, which they felt made them look old and tired even when they weren’t – would you begrudge them having surgery to improve that?

              I do agree that it makes me sad when people get breast implants because their boyfriends told them they’d look better, or lighten their skin because they think there’s something wrong with being dark-skinned, or have eyelid surgery because they think it’s more desirable to look ‘western’.

              That truly does make me sad. Especially when someone wants to change something about themselves because other people have told them they would be better if they changed.

              But I think when someone (an adult) is making an informed choice about their own bodies, then they should be free to do that without judgment. I may not do it myself, but I won’t make others feel bad for making a different decision. :)

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          no titties

          KateO – I come from a small booby perspective.

          Very small.

          And I Find it offensive when you seem to insinuate that small boobs are unattractive

          and i find it disturbing that you think that this is a fine thing to do – to airbrush your REAL self out of reality

          Can you imagine if everyone did this? It would end up that eveyrone looked the same, and no small titty-d women anywhere.

          And I can see you saying “I’m not asking everyone to do it, I’m just doing it for MYSELF” – but in doing that, you are making small chested women even more of a minority AND you are ‘acknowledging’ that they have a problem and that they are less than ideal

          That is why I find fake tits offensive.

          And I really don’t believe that you are happy, or else you wouldn’t be going ape on this thread…

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            ClaireC

            KateO said she had no boobs just nipples on her chest, not small boobs. I think it is perfectly OK for her not to be happy with that – for herself with no judgement on others. If others think she is judgeing their breast or lack thereof then that is their problem. If breast augmentation makes her happy why should you have a problem with it? Personally I go around with no make up and can rarely be bothered to fake tan, but good on those who are into it, it makes no difference to my life at all.

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          jazzhands

          I wouldn’t waste any more time worrying about these twits Kate.

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      I like organic

      Even as a heterosexual woman, I much prefer the sight of small natural boobs over those inflated silicone balls that some women have inserted – ewww ! I’ve seen so many that the real thing is such a relief – OK so maybe I watch too much porn.

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    Ellie

    I’m sorry, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say super skinny and tall models are making us unhappy and hate ourselves and say it’s all fine for the other extreme of unhealthiness to declare their greatness. If it’s all about health for Deveny, then I don’t quite think you’re hitting the mark – I’m not trying to make this a personal attack but this is just the example we’ve got here. It’s also not okay to slam people that are thin and healthy, “cookie cutter bodies” as she says. This whole article is basically putting down anyone that isn’t just as perfect as Deveny thinks she is.

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    Anon

    Take care of your body. It’s the only place you have to live.

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    MIchelle

    I am 5’4 and weigh 75kgs. I take a size 16. I have an amazing body. Yes it has love handles and stretch marks, but it has grown and birthed 4 amazing children. I have a loving partner who has loved me for 16 years. I use to hate my body and felt that if I was smaller life would be perfect, but guess what it wasn’t. Before children I got down to 50 kgs, I was sick and unhappy. I am losing weight at the moment, I have cut sugar from my diet, not for weightless but because it is extremely damaging to the body. I have no specific goal other than to be healthy and happy, which I am now and will be no matter what I weigh.

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    fit girl and super happy

    Honestly I’m so sick of reading about weight and which celebrity lost what or gained what. In my younger years I used to buy NW, WHO, CLEO,etc..I’d had enough of reading their BS and refuse to spend my money on rubbish.

    I had to comment on this story as Im 60 kgs and 5 foot 9 – and the fittest ive ever been. And guess what…I never go hungry! I eat food full of nutrients to fuel my body. Working out makes me really happy, but if I feel like chocolate, I’ll eat it as that makes me happy too.

    Seriously, others weight is not affecting you personally so stop dishing out negative comments on other peoples bodies and have some respect.

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    Yvonne

    I am 80k and told myself all the stuff that she is saying. Blah de blah. It’s a “healthy” weight until all of a sudden your previously perfect blood pressure goes through the roof, and then you start to REALLY care.

    So now I’m working to lose weight and get healthy.

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    Michelle

    I really, REALLY, wish Catherine had been invited to join the ‘Sunrise’ team’s little parade of swimsuits this morning. (note: I was only watching cos I’m home sick-as-a-dog-&-lying-flat-on-the-sofa. Morning television is scary). There they were, six grossly abnormal ‘model’ human beings, each one impossibly slender & toned, bouncing along in next to nothing……And all the while all I could think was, why doesn’t ONE of these presenters just come out & say, “But only 2% of the population actually looks like this – everyone at home, don’t think for a second that you’re actually expected to look like this!”. But no one did.

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      I really wish they’d get more variety in there. I don’t buy the argument, which I heard recently, “A tiny percentage of people can become CEOs, does that mean even Joe Blow should be able to become a CEO so other idiots don’t feel bad? It’s the same thing with models. They’re not meant to be regular people”

      The difference is, models are selling to people who need to be able to relate to them. We need CEOs to be intelligent, business savvy, able to take risks but be responsible, etc. etc. Only a small percentage of people have those capabilities *and* want to use them in that way.

      Models don’t need to be tall and thin. There should certainly be some tall and thin models, because there are tall and thin people, but there are plenty of people who aren’t tall and thin and you’re more likely to get interest and sales with variety.

      Although, I’d just like to point out that “abnormal” usually means out of the norm in an undesirable or worrying way. I don’t think anyone wants to have their body described as grossly abnormal :)

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    MelbourneSparks

    Catherine, thanks for your comments. Just spent 3 days in Noosa surrounded by skinny, tanned bodies. Looks great when your 18, but dieting and sun catches up with you eventually as was evident in many of the older women clearly still worshipping the sun godess and nibbling on lettuce leaves. Great place to visit but I love my colder Melbourne weather which keeps me well-rounded figure wise and helps to keep the wrinklies at bay, not to mention skin cancer. My mother once told me a had a large bottom which left me with a hangup for years. I now love my bum and it’s a damn good one to sit on. Keep up the good work, we need more role models like you. ps. dig the cozzie! Signed…… 52 yrs, size 14 and proud.

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      Mickie

      You look fantastic MelbourneSparks :)

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      Catherine Deveny

      You look happy, healthy and fun! I love Melbourne chicks! Enjoy being back and dunk yourself in cafe latte.

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        MelbourneSparks

        Thanks so much. I don’t want to sound like an ad for Esther Williams swimsuits but I just love mine….hmmm must get another one…thinking cherries or spots. Goodluck the book.

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      rainbow

      great comment and i think one of the few that took this post in the way it was meant to be taken. you look fantastic!

      i’m going get me some of these esther williams swimsuits too1