There’s an unspoken code in the fashion industry among models and people who love to wear couture: don’t mention how hungry you are. Better to just say that you eat like a horse and have a fast metabolism, ‘kay?
But occasionally, someone breaks ranks. News.com.au reports:
TWO international fashion heavyweights have finally admitted they have to starve themselves to fit into haute couture clothes.
Male model Andrej Pejic and fashionista Daphne Guinness said they needed to go hungry to look good.
Pejic, who has modelled womens clothing for Jean-Paul Gaultier, has told Grazia magazine that he lives in a state of semi-starvation to fit into the designer outfits, sparking anger from nutritionists who labelled his comments as irresponsible.
The 20-year-old said he followed a strict low-calorie diet and had lost inches from his waist.
“Let’s be honest. You can’t eat much if you want to do this. To do womenswear I have to be disciplined.”
OK, so not only does he not have a woman’s body because he’s a man (and yet still considered by many designers and photographers to be the ultimate female model which is why he models WOMENSWEAR), he’s STILL not thin enough!
Sorry, let’s get back to news.com.au:
“Meanwhile, fashionista Daphne Guinness has also revealed she goes hungry so she can wear designer clothes.
During an interview with New York magazine, the journalist and haute couture collector turned down her personal assistant’s offer of a bowl of pasta, saying: “If I eat, I can’t work. I’ll eat when I’m dead.”
Pejic’s manager Matthew Anderson of Chadwick Models said most models have a healthy lifestyle and are disciplined when it comes to food and exercise. “The ones [models] who do well are the ones who work out and do what’s required and that does not mean starving yourself,” Anderson told news.com.au. “I think the majority of people in this industry don’t struggle to be something they are naturally not.”
But nutritionists failed to see the lighter side of the model’s comments, even if they were intended to be tongue in cheek. Nutrition Australia said they sent the wrong message to young vulnerable people who may already be suffering self esteem issues.
“He is a role model who young people look up to so these sorts of comments can plant ideas in their heads,” a spokeswoman for the organisation said.
“He needs to realise the impact his words have, he is a celebrity. I think he needs to think about comments like this and be more responsible.
This makes my head hurt. The fact that models have to starve themselves to meet the expectations of the fashion industry is screwed up enough. Isn’t that the problem? Surely they shouldn’t then keep silent about it? Or pretend that they eat normally when they don’t?
Perhaps my logic is messed up but I would have thought it was better that people admitted what it really took to fit the ridiculous sample sizes provided by designers to send down runways and appear in magazine fashion shoots.
In 2008, the hugely influential Council of Fashion Designers of America hosted a “Beauty of Health” discussion, where designer Michael Kors, internationl model Coco Rocha, and casting agent James Scully all spoke out about the plight of models and their weight.
Fashionologie reported:
Coco Rocha
Kors threw in a designer’s perspective, suggesting that his peers should “stay away from child-size clothes unless [they're] designing for children,” and pointing out that when designers offer such small sample sizes and celebrities starve themselves to fit into them, their super-skinny aesthetic has a far-reaching impact on the general female population.
Next up to the podium was Coco Rocha, who just like Natalia Vodianova and Ali Michael before her, admitted that the job comes with some very unhealthy habits. Two years ago, she weighed 108 pounds (at 5’10″), and yet people were stilling telling her “you need to lose more weight. The look this year is anorexic. We don’t want you to be anorexic, we just want you to look it.” Even crazier, an agent once advised her to throw up after meals.
Eventually, she submitted to the pressure. “Last season I took diuretic pills. Once I took so many on an empty stomach that I was doubled over for hours. That’s the last time I ever did something so terrible to my body.” She asked designers to provide healthier food at their shows — “No one wants to be caught with that photo ‘Model Eats Cake’” — and to make their fit models, and therefore their sample sizes, bigger — models are humiliated when zippers won’t zip up at castings.
Finally, casting agent James Scully advised insiders to consider the weight of their words. “Let’s stop treating models like greyhounds we plan to shoot after a race. We have to remember we are dealing with real people who have real feelings.”
There’s so much buck-passing that goes on with this debate. The designers say they make the samples that small because it’s expensive to use more fabric to make larger sizes (!) and that the magazines WANT small clothes because they want to use small models.
Model agencies say they simply supply models to meet the demands of magazines and fashion designers.
And magazines say they have to use tiny models because the clothes supplied to them by the designers are tiny.
STOP THE BULLSHIT.
Someone needs to step up and do something proactive instead of just buck passing and shoulder shrugging. Who will it be?
Until that time, the more models who speak up about what it really takes to look they way they HAVE to look if they’re going to get work in the fashion industry, the better.
Here’s some more shots of Andrej:

Andrej Pejic is a 19-year-old high fashion model from Melbourne who has gained international fame for modelling both men's and women's clothes.









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Actually I couldn’t agree with you More .. It sounds like a much Better and Healthier idea to give an honest account of just what it takes to look so skinny.. Attempting to portray it falsely as natural or genetic seems to be sending a more harmful message and putting forth an unattainable ideal.. So it is absolutely best we know the worst.. So like all intelligent people .. We give up the starved size as a bad idea… Also.. Knowing more details about what people are being forced to go through.. Models..people in fashion.. It tugs at your heart strings.. We need a campaign..and thank you for the article!!
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Slightly off-topic, but among all of this I find the comment from casting agent James Scully most offensive: “Let’s stop treating models like greyhounds we plan to shoot after a race. We have to remember we are dealing with real people who have real feelings.”
Ummm, last I heard greyhounds are real animals with real feelings too
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I always assume that most designers don’t actually have the skills to create clothes for women.. it’s so easy to drape fabric on something that doesn’t have curves and is barely there. Then women have to squeeze their way into clothing that has no room for breasts or bums. I don’t even bother anymore as I have a small waist and large breasts, and it’s almost impossible to find nice clothing that fits well (that isn’t stretchy t-shirts or cardigans). Spain and Italy seem to be ok at it and I love pants from America (hello booty room!) but apart from that most women’s clothing seems to be made for tall, lanky pre-pubescent boys! So I make my own clothes. Much more fun! Vote with your wallet ladies
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Don’t worry ladies. They’ve given up entirely and are now using men to model women’s clothes anyway. I see Andrej is now even modelling bras (although from the ad there’s been a significant amount of photoshopping on that one!!!), whilst one mob in scandinavia have given up on real people altogether and have gone straight for the computer-generated anorexic sorry “look”.
Does anyone really think that any photos in fashion mags these days approach reality? Come on…. they might as well start using three headed Martians…
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The pretence amongst the industry that it is possible for so many people to be so rake thin without engaging in behaviours that at least mimic an eating disorder if not actually constituting an eating disorder, is ridiculous.
I loath this bulls&#t. I think this lie not only creates eating disorders, but also allows people who are obese to believe the fantasy that people who are within a healthy weight range were just born this way.
Most people who look healthy and fit usually do something to look this way, most people who look unhealthy; either too skinny or too fat have also done something to look this way. To believe anything else is to be living in a fantasy land.
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why do you assume that people within a normal weight range “do something to look this way”? are you from a country where 2/3 of the population is obese and therefore have a skewed vision of reality? there are many people around the world within a healthy weight range who do not have to starve/diet/exercise to be that way. it was just not part of their culture to eat all the unhealthy foods that plague most “developed” countries. i’m not denying that there is a lot of unreal expectation and irresponsible image alteration within the fashion industry, but i’m also sick to death of ppl assuming that everyone was meant to naturally be fat and that anyone naturally thin (like myself, and many others) is doing something stupid to be that way.
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Thank you for commenting on this.
I just hope you don’t get as viciously attacked as I did when I brought up this subject on my own blog. I was accused of being nasty and insulting for calling for more diversity and an end to using under aged under sized models.
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Many people forget that Audrey Hepburn eventually admitted she had struggled with an eating disorder having lived through the war as a child. People forget this and sadly, she died young with heart problems. She did not look well in older years and did not age well.
How many other actresses live the same deception? I remember an article with Charlize Theron where she said she “just went hiking” to lose weight. I can’t believe it when I look at her early films and the later ones.
Then there’s the whacky personal lives of actors. Is maybe some of this fueled by brains that don’t work very well due to the lack of energy to function?
Forcing yourself to be uber-thin when you are not meant to be does you no favours.
I do wish designers would add some more colours the lady rainbow of women’s shapes. Women’s bodies are so beautiful.
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I also remember an interview with Mimi McPherson when asked about her sister Elle (as Elle was ready to deliver her first child at the time) Mimi let it slip that Elle struggles to keep her weight down and was worried about post partum weight, she tried to cover it up as soon as she spilled the beans.
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I am a recovered anorexic. I am also a former model. For me the anorexia started before the modeling but the modeling certainly did fuel it.
The thing that upsets me is that it’s not just about being thin and that’s what so many young men and women starving themselves for the ‘ideal’ body shape don’t understand….starving yourself also has long term dire consequences in your kidneys, liver,bones heart and fertility.
I once had a doctor tell me that I was making decisions about my future without even realising it. I was under the illusion that I could be as thin as I liked and then somehow suddenly stop starving myself when I wanted to lead a ‘normal’ life. I didn’t realise that the decisions I was making now may have lead to life of osteoperosis, the inability to have children, irrepairable heart damage.
I have known anorexics who recover only to live a life with a colostomy bag due to the damage they do to their intestinal tracts with purging. Others who suffer kidney failure because they have quite literally been addicted to drinking water to substitute food and drunk up to 10L a day.
This is what we don’t see when we see the gorgeous images.
As my dad once said to me when I was in hospital being fed through a tube against my will…’you’ll be the thinnest corpse in the morgue.’
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The idea that people believe that a fashion model is a role model is preposterous. Not that a fashion model can’t be a role model for an intimate few, but that idea the whole world lauds them as such…is egocentric. I see models on a runway simply as people with a job that generally is a result of their particular genetics. I have never once in my entire life looked to a fashion model for sound advice for anything that truly matters in this world. They are beautiful people. And…that’s about it.
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You or I thinking they shouldn’t be role models doesn’t make it so, though, Rachael.
It was the nutritionists mob calling Andrej a role model, not Andrej himself, wasn’t it?
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It’s very disturbing that the fashion industry’s current favourite ‘female’ model is a male. He has no body fat, no hips, no thighs, no boobs, and he clearly wants to be even thinner. Seriously – bring back the supermodels of the 90s. Bring back Cindy, Linda, Claudia etc!
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Mia, I’m feeling a disconnect here. When it was the underage lasses in sexualised poses you said that parents were naive and “What did they expect?”
Now we’re talking about adults and eating disorders and you’re calling for industry accountability. I don’t “get” your rationale.
Who is vulnerable? Who is responsible? What is acceptable? What are the answers?
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The problem, as we were discussing, is twofold. When kids are involved problem a.) is parents who let them get involved (what you’re referring to here) and problem b.) is the industry itself. But just because the industry is terrible (which it is) doesn’t mean parents get off the hook for sending their kids into it!
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I agree Rick, that the parents have to take some responsibility. But they don’t always know the risks, or have much power… and some don’t always have the best interest of their child at heart.
Sadly.
But Mia didn’t seem to hold the industry very accountable in her piece in the young girl who was suing the magazine/photographer.
Although, on adult issues, she consistently does. I was hoping she’d have some reflections to share on the disconnect.
I enjoy her writing..and, almost without fail agree with her…and yet felt decidedly unsatisfied with what she said then…and now.
I should confess… apropos of just about nothing…I usually only read the articles on Mamamia that have Mia’s byline. Well, that was till I saw you on some Fox video thingo linked to here.
I had thought you were young…and to my shame, wrote you off as Gen X. I’ve listened and found that while you are indeed a Gen X, you’re wise, informed, compassionate and intelligent. A delightful surprise. Thanks Rick.
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Well that is very nice! Thank you
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Umm, ricks gen y, as are my older kids. I’m gen x and in my early forties. Not that young, sadly.
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What’s so wrong with Gen X???
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After a bout of the flu and then a shocking dose of gastro i managed to shed 5 kilos id been trrying to move for years to get to size 8/10 I returned t work looking all gaunt and spacey from virtually no food for days and then my appetite returned and i was trying to ignore it so badly and that was just torture i dont know how those girls do it they must be miserable..
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Same thing happened to me a few years back. On my first day back at work my clothes were hanging off me (and I loved it). However, my appetite returned the day after with a vengeance and before I knew it the 6kg I lost piled back on.
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It takes a lot of self-hatred.
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I find this whole ‘size zero’ thing so ridiculous. Designers are lauded for creating ‘amazing fashion’, but how hard is it to design something that looks good on what is essentially a walking coathanger? How much talent can that really involve? To me, fashion talent would be designing something that looks good on actual people. But no, we now have women who have to live up to the ‘ideal’ of looking like twelve year old boys.
And just to piss me off further, now women’s bodies are so unacceptable to designers, that men have to model the clothes. What a frickin’ joke this industry is.
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It always surprises me that there are so many people on mamamia ready to defend overweight people on claims they eat junk and don’t exercise, but no one seems disturbed when people make similar broad generalisations about skinny people’s lifestyle.
If your willing to accept a large percentage of the population is obese and healthy as can be, why is it so hard to beleive there are people who are naturally very thin?
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I agree that people can be naturally thin, i know plenty – bless their cotton socks.
However please do not tell me that you think this of all models b/c this revelation that models starve themselves is no revelation at all. It is a reality that if they want to work they must look a certain way, and that sadly is not what most of us look like however until this can be drummed into designers heads starvation of models will still continue. There are many who want the fame and glory and will do almost anything to achieve this, even if it means abusing their body for so called beauty.
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There are people who are naturally very thin.
There are 2 models in this article who have pointed out that they are NOT naturally thin, that they starve themselves to be very thin. Nothing “natural” about that.
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I have to disagree….while I completely understand there are certainly people who are naturally very thin, I don’t agree that there are people who’s body naturally regulates it to be a weight that is significantly under what their BMI should be. Naturally thin-yes, skeletal-no.
But I also don’t believe that you are naturally obese….you may have natural tendency to be slightly bigger, but the obesity is lifestyle related.
People who are significantly underweight or obese and truly aren’t doing anything to cause it probably have some sort of underlying health problem.
And back to the naturally thin models…..well, let’s just say I don’t believe they all fit that category. Far more of them live on narcotics, cigarettes and coffee.
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Yawn.
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This kind of secrecy is up there with celebrities in their late 40s pretending they naturally / miraculously fell pregnant rather than admit they used donor eggs.
As for the starving issue – I love Lily Allen’s comments not too long ago about how the size zeros basically survive on cigarettes, coffee and cocaine.
And finally…
“He is a role model who young people look up to so these sorts of comments can plant ideas in their heads,” a spokeswoman for the organisation said.”
A role model to who? He is a man pretending to be a woman in order to model women’s fashion. Surely he represents a fairly small percentage of the general population?
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I find some of those images of Andrej a little confronting.
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I love it when someone tells the truth for once in the midst of denial and insanity.
For me this is not the worst thing the fashion industry is guilty of … what about the subtle support of pedophilia, with all those images of 20 year old models with huge wide eyed faces and gaps in their teeth, so that they look like 10 year old kids?
I hate to remember the bad news, but we do live in a world with more people in slavery that at the time that slavery was abolished… most of them female sex slaves from developing countries, many of them young girls.
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The sooner the industry stops using models who regardless of their actual age look like 6ft tall 12 year olds the better!
I do wonder fi some designers dont want to use models who look like real adults cos they have mommy issues.
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This is a tough one. I do appreciate when people in the public eye are honest about what it takes to look like them. Liz Hurley metioned last year that she has given up wine and taken up vodka and soda because she’s older and needs to cut the calories even more now. She said she eats a good breakfast, a small lunch and that’s it. She said that after she had her son and she dropped 2 stone (28lbs roughly 14kgs, don’t hold me to that) on a really tough diet and exercise regime and stood on the scales and realised she had another stone to go (14lbs 7kgs roughly) that she burst into tears. She said she has to do all this to work.
Likewise Jessica Alba admiited just before she had her baby that she will be exercising and dieting pretty much said straight after she gives birth. She said it leaves her hungry and it sucks. She does it by subscribing to those companies that deliver calorie controlled meals.
So I love it when people are up front about this kind of thing but i’m a 35 year old woman who is finally confident in how she looks. But when I was 17 I know I would have read those articles and copied them, not for long but I would have tried.
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This will keep happening as long as the financial rewards are so large. You don’t see many poor models, fashion designers, magazine editors in the media, really?
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Daphne my dear the only that will be eating when your dead are the maggots.
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but they won’t be eating much
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Good to see them telling it like it truly is.
I’d be really interested to know if the sample sizes 20 years ago were larger than they are today. It seems to me that they are.
Interesting article by someone trying to buck the trend…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/18/size-10-models-london-fashion
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All these fashion designers and fashionistas can eat my poo. Seriously. I don’t want your ugly clothes that only look good on a lady-man with zero body fat. My wide load looks great in cargo pants and they are heaps more comfortable and cheap. I have come as far down the “the media are responsible for our happiness” road as I can. Time to take some responsibility. Just. turn. the shit. off.
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Oh jane- you rock!
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People who take the fashion industry soooo seriously are dumb and vapid in my opion. Yes it’s great to look nice, and wear some great outfist from time to time but to focus all your energy on trends, and looking cool is so completely ridiculous and out of touch with reality. Go to Africa and India and get some perspective “fashionistas”.
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This just seems to be wrong on so many levels. The designers have a lot to answer for. I know that ppl keep buying the clothes but a lot of that is to do with the designer name.
For someone to aspire to wear a dress that looks good on a super skinny male model is just WEIRD!!
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I always find it a bit weird on these posts that are against the ridiculously small body sizes of models and fashionistas and the unhealthy images that these models, magazines and designers promote, that at the end of the post there is a collection of those very same images that we apparently shouldn’t be seeing or don’t want to see.
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Just read an article saying it also has to do with alot of the models being Eastern European now and having narrower frames…
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Also most catwalk models only do that work when they are 16/17 and not fully developed and then stop getting work once their bodies take on their adult form.
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I can assure you that Eastern Europeans are… just like the rest of us.
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I thought nutritionists would have appreciated Andrej’s comments – he’ being honest and reminding people that his body is not healthy – that it’s NOT something to aspire to.
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Yeah, that’s what I don’t get! Wouldn’t advocates for healthy eating be going “THANK YOU! Finally one of their own has come clean while still doing it!”. Strange.
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This idea that extreme thinness as being desirable is so horrible. In my twenties I starved myself to achieve a size 6-8 figure. I thought I looked great in clothes, but naked I just looked emaciated. I was constantly hungry, started skipping social dinners out, as I couldn’t control the calorie intake and if I did binge I would then throw up. Also, I was always cold and if lying on my side my knee and hip joints would hurt. Food became my enemy and my prison. I was miserable! Women would admire my body but my now husband missed my curves. It took me about a year to start being healthy again. I now have a young daughter and I am horrified that she may do to her body what I did in the misguided pursuit of perfection. I am now a healthy size 10-12, but I won’t lie and say that I don’t sometimes feel fat even now. It is a lifetime battle I think, but I won’t ever succumb again as I want to be a good role model to my little girl. It just makes me so sad and angry that nothing seems to have changed in the representation of beauty in the ten years since I got better. If anything the standard for thinness is much worse. What will it take for adults in these industries to start being accountable. Their excuses are just bullshit and I think anyone involved in the machine that perpetuates these ridiculous ideals should be ashamed of themselves.
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Is it possible to have the stance that I am OK with cross dressing as a choice but getting a man to dress as a woman to sell clothes to women as if he is a woman kinda makes me feel creepy?
Probably not, but there you go.
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Makes me think that most designers secretly or not so secretly hate women.
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It’s not that they hate women – it’s that they prefer men!
Just think about how many of them are gay. And the preferred body type of these models is young male, not female.
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As long as you don’t believe that ‘designers use models who have the body shape of little boys because that’s what gay designers like’ crap that goes around, which is unbelievably offensive!
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word up
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I have no issue with cross-dressing at all–in fact some of my favorite people are trans* and do drag. However, what worries me are the pressures that are placed on Petjec if he is not interested in drag, cross-dressing, or gender-f*ck as a personal style. Gender is a very personal and internal issue and no one should be pressured to present in a way that is inauthentic to them.
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There’s two sides to whether to speak out or not, or maybe it’s rather a case of where.
On one hand. there’s good evidence that “educating” young women (and possibly men) about what models etc do to achieve that body and look actually works in the opposite way to that intended – rather than preventing eating disorders and unhealthy eating patterns, it actually teaches people how to do it, and increases disordered eating. This is so well established that cutting edge programs for the prevention of eating disorders now avoid talking about eating and instead focus on media literacy (what ads are saying, why, how photos have been changed etc).
On the other hand, greater acknowledgement of the numbers of models who are being unhealthy to stay in the job is needed.
It should also be noted, though, that while many models are obviously slim and may have restricted diets, many of them do actually eat healthily and are not actually “officially” underweight. But they still may feel hungry and relatively deprived compared to those of us who enjoy the abundance of food on offer in our lives and don’t mind being a bit larger than is strictly necessary. They probably also do more exercise than is strictly necessary, to keep their weight low, but again, there is a difference between a lot of exercise and over-exercising.
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Absolute Bullshit! Sick of hearing about models, actors etc. Hope they all starve to death, then we won’t have to look at their gaunt features! Harsh? Maybe, but as a normal person with a relatively normal life and a happy appetite, I can’t stand the mememe me fakers who whole life revolves around themselves/what they are doing/eat etc. To all those coat hangers: Live your life and get over it I say!
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Wow angry much? Maybe you could consider working on yourself and improving your life rather than being so angry at “coat hangers” that you’ve never met.
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A model admits that they starve themselves to stay sample size, and nutritionists go mad?
I MUCH prefer a model to say it like it is.
If a model lies and says Oh I eat like a horse and have a great metabolism, and I sit there going, but I NEVER eat what she says she does, and I do exercise and I’m still chubby- oh god why? I’ll eat less/exercise more and see if that works because she is telling me her size is ACHIEVABLE without starving myself.
A model tells the truth and I think- dear god not worth it for me.
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Exactly, like celebrities who go on and on about how much they eat and they don’t exercise etc etc. Ugh. I remember a while ago Gwen Stefani was interviewed and she basically said it was really hard work to stay the way she was, and she busted her ass, finally someone admits it!
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It is interesting that nutritionists would labelled Andrej’s comments as irresponsible – yes, his actions may be irresponsible, the industry may be massively irresponsible but his comments are height of responsibility.
Silence is the killer and maintains the illusion more if not as much as the lies.
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I’m so sick of these model management companies (Chadwicks et al) trying to tell us that models eat healthily and exercise healthily…what a rort and what a joke.
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I know, who buys this shit? Seriously is there anyone out there who believes this to be true?
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Although shocking, I adore Daphne Guinness not for her dietary habits but her contribution to the fashion world and being a style icon and muse. That is all – no more, no less. I think it is foolish to look at these people who, clearly, do not lead a ‘normal’ life like the rest of us as some sort of role model.
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This is just sheer insanity. Depriving your body of nutrition for your job.
I mean, I can understand if some models are vegans or whatever, because it is pretty impossible to be anything but slim as a vegan.
I can understand if they eat fairly restricted diets, like you know, only fruit, vegetables, water and brown rice or something like that, because at least they are getting nutrition from those foods.
I can understand Miranda Kerr and how she bangs on about that nori juice stuff she drinks (though disagree because no matter what she says, juice is full of sugar and bad) and whatever organic, fresh-from-the-ground-still covered-in-the-dirt-it was-planted-in diet she follows.
But I cannot for the life of me, understand somoene who starves themselves for their job. Do not get it. Do not at all.
I know when we were debating the “plus sided models encourage obesity” a few weeks back, some were on their high horse about the models being used, and how they were unhealthily big. Well, I very much doubt those models eat McDonalds 3 times a day and never eat anything nutitious and never exercise, just so they can model plus sized clothes, which is just as bad. I bet their lifestyles are 100X healthier than these models who profess to eating nothing at all.
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I can understand if some models are vegans or whatever, because it is pretty impossible to be anything but slim as a vegan.
I’m sorry but I don’t agree with that at all. I’m vegetarian leaning towards vegan, ( I eat eggs but generally not dairy) while I’m not over weight I am not slim.
To get the required amount of protein and iron that your body needs (to stay healthy) from a vegetarian/vegan diet you have to eat lots of nuts, seeds, legumes and grains. All those foods are high in carbs which can put weight on quite easily.
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I see your point. I suppose, my point is that I have never met an overweight vegan, and I know only one overweight vegetarian.
I suppose I assume all vegans are slim because usually when you cut out animal products, you cut out out alot of food, like chocolate, lollies most bread and pasta, etc and your vegetable and fruit intake increases.
I am so admirable of vegetarians/vegans! Your diet must be so healthy, you would feel good all the time!
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Agreed- you can live off oreos, chips and soft drink and be vegan!
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You can’t eat Oreos, they have cream and milk in them!! Plus the only potato chips you could eat would be the plain flavour because some other flavours have animal products in them!
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I guarantee you- oreos are vegan
check the ingredients list if you don’t believe me!
And plain chips are the BEST, yum yum! Also as long as there is no cheese powder most other ones are okay too. Theres millions of flavours out there
okay not millions… you know what I mean!
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OMG! That is amazing, can’t believe Oreos are vegan! I just assumed with the chocolate and cream filling (which is clearly not cream!) they wouldn’t be. Plus biscuits usually need eggs to bind and butter! YIKES what on earth do they put in them then??! Haha, I’m going to scoot on over to the what have you learned today post and comment that I learned oreos are vegan!
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Oh man, I just want to take your comment and marry it. Can I get a high 5 for vegans in da haus of mamma mia?
I’ve been vegan for 3 years, and I was vegetarian for 5 years before that. I hate it when people assume I’m thin because I survive on air and vegetables. I work out a shit load, sistah! I feel that when people become vegan, because they have to educate themselves about nutrients (iron, protein etc), they become more aware of nutrition in general. Which is why a lot of us are health nuts.
I hate the term “vegan food”, because it assumes that vegan food is for vegans exclusively. And by no means is it all healthy. Peanut butter, anyone? Bread? Rice? Sugar? I know plenty of overweight vegans.
Good on you for giving veganism a go! Get yourself a good vegan cookbook. I recommend veganomicon, eat drink and be vegan, and my sweet vegan.
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Realistically you can be a vegan and eat chips and pasta all day, which won’t make you slim. But I do realise that a lot of people who say they are gluten free or vegan or dairy free or whatever use their restrictions as an excuse not to eat publicly.
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Pasta is off for vegans though isn’t it? When I make it, it’s made with eggs. I know you can get egg-free pasta, but most stuff you just buy off the supermarket shelves has eggs I thought becuase it is the binding ingredient.
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I think that designers who make clothes for such super-skinny models are a bit lazy. It is much easier to fit clothes on a body without shape. If you want to be a real designer you have to be able to make clothes for REAL people – very, very few of which are naturally extremely thin. Isn’t the average sized woman these days a 14? A designer who can successfully make clothes for women from a size 8 to a size 18 is my idea of a true designer.
Maybe the fashion industry will only respond to some kind of law about the models they can use. BMI of at least 18 or something like that. But mandatory, not discretionary.
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I think that there are varying degrees on what is “normal”.
There are some who are just naturally slim, some indeed, who are as naturally slim as models are, and that should too, be considered as normal as a size 12-14 hourglass.
I mean, if you are going to show case a collection that sells sizes 8-14, then models of all those sizes should be modelling the clothes. If your collection is size 16-30, then models of those sizes should be modelling the clothes. It really cannot be that hard!
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Some are naturally slim, yes. But not many. I can only think of one person I know who is naturally very slim (smaller than a size eight) and she has a thyroid issue. Just like not that many people are very big. Some are of course, but across the population, not that many people are at the extremes of smallness or largeness. Most are somewhere in the middle.
Having said that, I sort of agree with you that clothes should be worn by the size people they are made for. However high-end designers are dictating that only people who are size 0, 2 or 4 should be wearing their clothes so that’s who they get to model them.
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Designers make SAMPLES for super skinny women only. It’s cheaper, which is important as couture is a dying art. And yes, it’s easier, which matters when you have to put together a fashion show in record time. By the time Chanel, Dior etc release their latest collections into stores, the clothes will fit the average woman (if you take size 14 to mean an actual size 14 and not a Target size 14). They may not always flatter, but there are only a few universally flattering styles. Fashion would be deathly dull if designers only made clothes that would suit everyone. I don’t buy Chanel because it’s not made for my body shape. I do buy Dior, D&G etc. because these clothes do work with my curves. Just like high street brands, different brands will work for different people. You just have to find the right one for you.
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“It’s cheaper, which is important as couture is a dying art”
I don’t seriously believe that using slightly more fabric would increase the costs by so much that budgets would blow out.
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And besides, if it’s purely because ‘smaller means cheaper’, then I’d expect models to be short not tall.
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Couture dresses can costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce and take hundreds of hours work. An extra few centimentres of beading can mean 10 hours more work and thousands of dollars more.
Smaller designers aren’t working with such luxe materials, but they have less staff and less money. So they still need to keep the cost of their samples down as much as possible.
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“Designers make SAMPLES for super skinny women only. It’s cheaper, which is important as couture is a dying art.”
Let’s not cheapen any debate by pretending that spending a few extra dollars for an extra half-metre of fabric has anything to do with why tiny sizes are the norm in fashion.
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While I don’t necessarily agree with the argument that couture is why samples are made so small, I also believe the aesthetic is a consideration as the models body should be a clothes hanger, not the star of the show.
We are talking about more than ‘a few extra dollars.’ An average couture gown in 2004 cost 50,000 pounds to make and upwards of 1000 hours to construct.
Examples a little old, but you can imagine how much more it would cost now!
http://www.fashion-era.com/haute_couture.htm#High%20Fashion%20-%20High%20Cost%20Of%20Haute%20Couture
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well said
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Angie, I doubt that will ever happen. Most high end designers wouldn’t be caught dead making clothes that are over size 10 because they don’t want to ruin their image and reputation by allowing “fat” and “unatractive” people to be seen in their clothes. Didn’t Karl Lagerfeld recently make headlines by saying Heidi Klum, a freaking supermodel, is too fat for his liking.
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I don’t know of any designer that doesn’t make clothes above size 10. I’m a size 12, and I have clothes from most of the major designers. Rarely take the largest size either. I know some designers make clothes that aren’t going to necessarily look good on anyone over a size 10, but there are plenty of brands that don’t flatter skinny, staright up and down figure either.
Couture is made to order. With the couture business being under great financial pressure right now, I assure you even Karl Lagerfeld would be happy to dress a size 30 if they had the cash.
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