I’ve thought for a week about how to write this post in the right way. Here goes.
I’m sad about Ricki-Lee. I’m sad that she’s felt the need to strip off for a men’s mag to promote her new album.
I always walk a fine line when I speak out about the actions of an individual. Because of course every adult has the right to make decisions that they believe to be in their best interests.
Some would say if you aren’t harming anyone, who cares? Well, I do because I’m looking at the bigger picture and I believe the actions of influential individuals can harm others. Indirectly, sure. But when your fans are comprised of young girls, I think there’s an inherent responsibility in that.
And back to the bigger picture, this isn’t just about one individual choosing to get her gear off for a magazine or signing a deal to spruik a weight loss product 5 weeks after giving birth (you can read the post about Mel B and Jenny Craig here). It’s about a society which says this is desirable. Aspirational. EMPOWERING.
OK, so Ricki-Lee. I’m sure she’s a lovely person. Most people are. I’ve never met her. Reading Who magazine means I’ve been aware of her ups and downs – both physical and emotional – since being discovered on Idol (was it Idol? I think it was Idol).
My heart sank though, when I saw this video – a juicy behind-the-scenes clip of her lingerie shoot for men’s mag Maxim.
“Empowered”? She felt empowered to strip down to a sheer g-string and push-up bra in a big cold photographic studio surrounded by men? Is that an empowering way to sell a record?
Ricki-Lee should catch up with Gabriella Cilmi for a coffee. Urgently.
Remember this?
At the time Gabriella Cilmi’s second record was released, along with a Whole New Sexy Look, I wrote this:
If you’re perplexed as to why an artist who is going to sell her music to an overwhelmingly female audience would have to even be portrayed as sexy to men, music critic Bernard Zuel once explained it to me. He said that the marketing theory goes like this: if the female audience see men with their tongues hanging out at the sight of a particular female artist, they’ll be more likely to buy that artist’s music because they too, would like guys to feel that way about them. Nice.
To me, this new lingerie-wearing Gabriella Cilmi 2.0 has lost everything that made her appealing before. Everything that gave her cut-through when she broke onto the music scene with Sweet About Me.
Her incredible voice has been eclipsed by an overly produced sound. Her unique quirky appeal has been dumbed down and sexed up so that now she resembles every other wannabe popstar out there from Heidi Montag to the Pussycat Dolls on down.
Down being the operative word. I don’t know who is managing Gabriella Cilmi but I would respectfully suggest they change their approach immediately. With this current strategy – which seems to be encapsulated in GET-HER-GEAR-OFF-PHWOOOAAARRRR, she’s become just another girl in undies. Just another girl taking her top off and lying around in a wet t-shirt.
If you’re a reality TV star, grasping at the end of your 15 seconds of fame, that’s one thing.
But what a damn waste for an artist who has, inarguably, TREMENDOUS talent. My hope is that this is merely a misstep and that the record company will allow her to put her clothes back on for her next album.
Or that she finds management who understand that there are women who can be respected and rewarded for their talent without taking off their clothes. Artists like Missy Higgins, Lisa Mitchell, Natalie Imbruglia, Delta Goodrem, Kasey Chambers and Julia Stone have proven that you can be a successful female performer without having to get your gear off.
And to those commenters who are going to chastise “Don’t judge, she’s just a girl etc”? I’m not apologising for my judgement on this one. It’s called critical thought actually. I’m not judging Gabriella Cilmi’s voice or her talent.
And I’m certainly not judging the kind of person she is. What would I know about that? I’m judging a lousy, sexist decision taken by whoever it was who chose to market this talented chick in a demeaning, tacky way.
Sound familiar?
Interestingly, the Gabriella Cilmi marketing move backfired badly. Album sales were disastrous. Her fans turned away. She’s been very quiet since then. Hopefully looking for new management who are able to sell her voice rather than her body.
Now Ricki-Lee is 25 and my understanding is that she manages herself. Which, in a way, makes it even more frustrating. That she wasn’t able to resist the call to get her gear off instead of boldly striking out in a more modern, positive, genuinely empowering way. Showing women – and men – of all ages that you can be a strong, talented SEXY woman without taking your clothes off.
When will a female performer show that it can be done? When will their talent be enough?
That’s all.
NB: as per MM’s comment policy, any comments sledging Ricki-Lee as a person will be deleted. Please respect the fact that this is certainly not an invitation to abuse someone.




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It is EXTREMELY empowering and one of the biggest confidence boosts to go from being a size 14 to a size 8 and being able to strut your stuff in a bikini down the beach (or have a photo shoot and be printed in a world-wide magazine!) and know you look hot.
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OH blah blah blah.. every woman on the face of the earth secretly wishes she had the body to pose in a mens magazine and have men’s tounges hanging out.. NOBODY is “truly happy” as a size 14. You all need to stop bitching about propriety and being jealous. She’s managed to do what most of the fatties in the world CAN’T do.. she GOT OFF HER ARSE, JOINED A GYM, STOPPED EATING SO MUCH and she shifted 30kg! I say, YOU GO GIRL! She was a size 14, now she looks fantastic and not at all unhealthy at a size 8.. Whats the problem? Let her flaunt her new found look, she’s beautiful.
P.S. Gabriella Cilmi looks silly in her photos with her mouth hanging open in each one, she looks like she’s trying to catch flies. It’s as bad as the duck mouth pose.
And as for you saying you can only achieve such a weightloss with 3-4 hours a day of gym time and that it is unachieveable.. that is not true! I put on 35kg when I was pregnant, and lost it all within 12 months (and still had maccas twice a week)!! Ricki Lee did an exercise and diet regime for 1 year and looks fantastic. Who cares if she only has an apple and an orange for breakfast?? Human bodies were not designed for bacon and eggs every morning!! I speak from experience.. All it takes is 1 hour of exercise, 5 days per week and healthy eating and you can look that good as well. The hour or more that you spend on the computer bitching about other people everyday, you could be at the gym
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I’m not sure you can compare Miranda Kerr’s photo shoot with Ricki Lee’s… after all Miranda shot to fame for parading in skimpy lingerie down catwalks whereas to date Ricki Lee has sold herself as the ‘every woman’ who ‘understood’ all of us size 14′s out there. I do find it disappointing that being ‘confident’ and ‘empowered’ seems to coincide with being photographed in her underwear. There seems to be no point of difference between her and any other wannabe popstar out there and I’m less inclined to buy her music because I do feel she’s just another sell out to the pressures of the very image biased music industry. I appreciate it the industry is primarily geared to skinny, attractive women who will get their gear off but at the same time it was a breath of fresh air to see a talented, young woman who hadn’t caved to the pressure.
To be honest I’m tired of the ‘amazing weight loss’ stories that are only possible with 3-4 hours per day of exercise. Who, other than an actress or popstar, can afford 3-4 hours per day to exercise. And yet they sell it as the easily attainable option to all people.
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I always find whenever “Who” does their annual “love our bodies at any size” issue, you know the “curvier” ones will be on the cover in a year about their amazing new body.
As soon as some starlet goes “i love my curves’ you know they’ll be out hitting the gym, cocaine or whatever they do to be on the cover about their “amazing new body” bleating about how they “still have their curves” but were “unhealthy” and is just “eating better and exercising sensibly”.
When i saw ricki lee as the sixe 14 “i love my curves” i predicted this would happen and sure enough she has.
the cycle will be repeated with someone else soon enough.
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I have been sad about Ricki Lee too – since I read an article about her a few weeks ago. It was about her ‘fabulous’ new body, she said she has an apple and an orange for breakfast! That makes me sad.
Mind you, she has been hounded, they all are, the ones who are ‘normal’ weight in the public eye. Sophie Dahl, Kelly Osbourne.
Embrace your curves?! Doubt it.
Utterly agree with you Mia!
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Sad:( Talented beauties like Sarah Blasko, Holly Throsby & Sally Seltman DON’T need to strip to be empowered or sell music!!! Their PR plans don’t involve relying on sexy poses in/on me’s mags!!
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It annoys me that Ricki-Lee flogged “suck you in undies” and went on about her curves, then I read she was eating half an apple and half an orange for breakfast then running for an hour. It’s her life and she can do what she wants, I just think she needs to keep her weight and body image stuff to herself.
Also it really bugs me that men’s mags will shoot her now she’s thin. What’s that saying about men’s standards?
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“Also it really bugs me that men’s mags will shoot her now she’s thin. What’s that saying about men’s standards?”
That’s not true at all. Ricki Lee has been shot for men’s magazines in the past and when she was at her previous weight; she did a shoot with Ralph in 2009 around the time her first album was released and they embraced her “curves”.
You will also find that Maxim hasn’t shot her because she’s “thin”. They have featured her in the magazine as she has a new album out and it coincides with her album’s PR.
What bugs me is that if she was at the same weight as she was in her Ralph shoot then this article probably wouldn’t even be here and half the people commenting on this thread wouldn’t even have bothered to comment.
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I’m with you Mia!
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look, it’s a fine line, isn’t it? she is conveying to the public (including impressional girls AND boys) that she is confident with herself and her body. What I wonder is, would she have done this two years ago? Would she have posed for the magazine when she was not as thin as she is now?
Women are beautiful no matter what size they are, of course, but I just wonder whether her posing is driven by the fact that she’s now got this ‘rocking body’ and she’s more confident to ‘drop trou’.
But at the same time, more power to her. If she feels more confident to show off her body – to feel empowered – then good on her! My only concern is that she’s promoting the notion that once you are slimmed down, then you can get your gear off.
Like I said, it’s a fine line.
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Hmmm…. not sure on this one. She looks hot, her body is in great shape and she seems proud, strong and happy. Feminism is about rights and freedom to choose. On the other hand it is a little cheap, and will be ogled at by sleazy men.
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Oh my God, let the woman do her damn thing! Posing without clothes does not mean she feels the ‘need’ to – maybe it’s just something she wants to do, ever thought of that? We as women are free to make whatever decisions we wish. The moment we start criticising the use of that freedom we take a step back. She looks bloody amazing, leave her alone!
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I’m not sure how I feel about this. The article I mean… I understand that women in the media who are in pop music etc have a level of responsibility to their younger fans, but at the same time, Maxim is an adult mens magazine. How many young girls will read it? Yes, they might see it in a newsstand, but my experience is that Maxim is always on a top shelf with the majority of the mag hidden.
My other gripe is that I don’t like this idea that a woman in the public eye can’t change her image. Just because younger girls mnight listen to her music, does that mean she has to cater to them for the rest of her life? I felt the same thing about Miley Cyrus et al. They didn’t want to be seen as tweens for the rest of their lives (not that I’m advocating their choices or not, just pointing out this).
What gets me most is that is always other women who question a woman’s choice to ‘get her gear off’. Ricki has obviously made this decision herself, she was not tricked or coherced into to doing it. Yes, it might be sexualising her body – but isn’t that her choice? Why is being naked a bad thing? Miranda Kerr did a naked shoot for something (Vanity Fair?) and I personally saw no comments about her ‘sexualising’ herself or feeling the need to ‘get naked to get ahead’. She was praised for her amazing post baby body, her elegance etc. I wonder if it was because it was for a ‘fancy’ magazine? Is Ricki Lee being questioned because it’s for a men’s magazine of apparently lower standing? I’ve never read it, so I don’t know what the magazine is like.
But I also think it’s an unfair generalisation that Ricki Lee’s decision to do a naked or near-naked photo shoot is just to please men – yes, they might enjoy it, but not every man that read’s maxim is using it as soft porn. I feel we haven’t stopped to think that some men might like to read the interview or piece about her also.
Whether she looks good or not is irrelevent (although I think she looks great, she’s curvy and gorgeous, whatever her dress size is). What I think it more relevent is the fact that she is being judged and people are saying that she ‘feels the need to get naked to be a success’. She’s already a success. If she has said that she’s done this shoot to feel good about herself, isn’t that a good enough reason? Does it matter that it was for magazine that is aimed at men? Perhaps it was something she’s always wanted to do and Maxim was the only mag that offered, so she jumped at the chance. Perhaps she actually respects the magazine. Who knows. But it was her choice, and I think that comments that she ‘can perform without taking her clothes off’ is condescending. How about, she can be a performer with or without clothing, so long as she’s made the choices herself and is happy with them.
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I agree. It was her choice ,she wasn’t being tricked or persuaded to do it. she used her brain (yes women do have them to anyone who wishes to argue) and she made her choice. Good on her.
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I know the message Mia is trying to get across is in regard to the over saturation of the “Sex Sells” mantra, TBH I think we are all becoming immune to it. Which makes people such as Adele/Lisa Mitchell shine through, so it’s only a matter of time we hope before the music/acting industry elude to this fact.
FYI I am a 26 y.o female), I think she has shared her journey through her songs from being married in a relationship she wasn’t happy with and her previous record label being in control of everything creatively. Therefore I think this is really her way of saying “Hey I am in control” and why wouldn’t she if she’s worked so hard.. also I’d like to add she has been losing weight constantly over the period of 18 months which would be a healthy weight loss none of this drop 10kg in a month… and from my impressions she started her journey on the pursuit of fitness which is really aspiring as I think if she can do it I can damn well do it too..
On another note I must say I have always been a avid supporter of Ricki (cue MM Readers eyeroll but hey I’ll admit it!
I do remember many years ago one of my previous boyfriends used to purchase Picture? (Nudy girl mag) and I curiously checked it out to discover that must girls sent their naked photos in and their comments were “I’ve lost —kg’s” etc so thought I’d send my photo in to celebrate” which is quite alarming that they need this validation but hey at the end of the day people will do what they want and see fit.
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I saw her on Sunrise this morning (I did comment on here yesterday) and after seeing her and hearing her has only backed up my feelings that she is driving her own Bus. If she feels that the photo shoot was something that was worth her time and exposure I think she made that decision herself and very confidently. As I said before after seeing her over the years battle with depression, marriage breakdown, weight, cat fights with fellow Diva members etc etc… I think Ricki is in a very strong and happy time of her life… After hearing her speak after singing this morning and state how much this feels right after previously feeling so wrong, I think Ricki is definitely doing what makes her feel Happy.
I’m not a fan of those women who do “strip off”, I do have to say I think that Ricki made this choice for herself and no one else, and to see her show such confidence and strength – I can’t fault her.
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I love men’s magazines and I don’t think they demean females at all. If anyone does respect a female any less for appearing in one then they have a serious problem. I’m so grateful to live in a society where its OK for women (and men) to pose in sexy photoshoots so I think its actually important that men’s magazines exist.
As for performers feeling they have to be sexy to sell their product well if you are sexy then why not show it off, I don’t think it hurts – I don’t think there is really any backlash like Mia suggests happened for Gabriella Cilmi, but there are plenty of non-model types in the industry who do well regardless. Just be you!
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Yes I agree 100% – very well said!
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I couldn’t agree more Mia. I’ve always liked Ricki-Lee and this just left me shaking my head. I wish successful young women would understand that, whether they like it or not, if they are in the public eye they really are role models for younger women and girls and stop promoting their music in ways that have nothing to do with their talent. Having the courage to say “No” is empowering.
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Saying no is good as well, but so what if girls aspire to pose near nude? There is not a damn thing wrong with it in my opinion. A naked female body is nothing to be ashamed of or feel the need to hide. it is not sex, it is not ”sexualising” anyone or anything. It’s just a body, and she loves hers and wants to show it.
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I don’t think it’s as simple as that. And are you serious.. of course she’s sexualising her body in those photos!
But I don’t think there is anything wrong with the act of posing naked for photos, it depends WHY you’re doing it –
Because you are proud of your body vs insecurity/self esteem/to ‘impress’ men/to make yourself feel sexy because other people you are,
And in what context – sexting random nude photos that you don’t want the world to see versus proudly posing for the public.
We shouldn’t be quick to judge, but I personally believe about 90% of the girls who do these shots don’t seem to do them for healthy reasons, they do it because they equate other people finding them sexy with approval and self love. Which is a situation where only the woman loses.
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I normally hate these kinds of things but she looks good! She was always a pretty girl at any size, except she’s happier now with the way she looks.
I was bigger throughout my teens and once I got my body into shape (in 20s) I was a lot happier to be “sexy” (And by that I mean wearing shorts/skirts rather than jeans and tees throughout summer).
It’s not the cover of Dolly so who cars? She’s a grown woman.
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I want to know what Mamamia commenters think of the way, these days, things once widely regarded as “degrading” to women – stripping, pole dancing, being in a nude photoshoot etc – are being recast as “empowerment”.
Seems like weasel words to me. I doubt I would feel empowered by being valued as soley the object of the male gaze, which is what Ricki-Lee is in this scenario. She’s not a singer, she’s a body. How is that empowering?
But many women see it differently.
I just notice that saying “it empowers me” is a good way to silence critics who question how things like this represent women.
Looking forward to seeing my favourite male singers “empower” themselves by stripping off meanwhile….
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If I am posing nude and pole dancing, I don’t think of myself as an ”object” at all. Plenty of male celebrities strip off all the time, just google them. If you look at a naked woman and only see body or sex, you have the problem, not her.
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Are you kidding me?
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It’s sad to see that ricki lee feels she has to take her clothes off to succeed. Before she lost all the weight, before she took her clothes off- so many people were inspired by her and felt connected to her. Now she is a clone of the industry which is such a shame.
What bugs me is when she was bigger, she would say how proud and happy she was of her curves- if that was so true, then why lose them?
Disappointing and sad. Tarnishes the new song she has out. So not interested anymore.
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It saddens me to think she has to get her gear off as she is a fab singer. However, I can sort of understand her desire to show off her new svelte self.
I just wish she chose to do this by running in a marathon or competing in a triathlon or charity fun run or something. Whether she likes it or not she is a role model to young women. Why Maxim?
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Adele is no. 1 and she’s not stripping her gear off. Good lesson they should just make plain good music instead.
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Adele also freely admits she is a packet a day smoker and has no intention of quitting. She is a heavy drinker too…..
I know which role model I would choose.
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errr… perhaps because SHE’S ENORMOUS!! No mens magazine would shoot her if SHE payed THEM!!
and @ Carly.. Right on!! Ricki-Lee: A self-sufficient, strong-willed, take-no-crap woman who gets herself healthy and shares her uplifting stories with the world.. or Adele: an obiese two-hit-wonder who is smoking, drinking and eating herself to death and singing depressing music?? I know which role model I would choose too!
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I think she looks amazing in the photos.. I don’t blame her maybe she is just so proud of her new body and shape and she wants to show it off.. I don’t know any little girls who know or care about Ricki Lee to me she is an older audience.. give her a break
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This is one of the greatest articles I have read. You’ve hit the nail on the head. I am a solo artist, and although looks are important when you are in the public eye, there really is no need to pose for such magazines.
I believe so strongly in my music and creativity, and I would never go to these lenghts in order to promote myself. I want to inspire young women through music, and encourage them to be who they are. It is such a shame that other artists feel the need to take their clothes off in order to sell records, especially when they have such a large following of young females.
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I think there was an article in the Daily Telegraph recently that suggested she had damaged her “brand” by doing too many of these sort of photo shoots.
It does appall me how much the music industry focuses on looks these days. When I look back at the music I loved in the 80′s, a lot of those songs were sung by people who would be deemed too ugly and too old in today’s music industry to get a record deal. Back then, you actually had to have talent to succeed and it felt like more peformers wrote their own songs. Now you just need good looks, autotune and to pay someone else to write your songs.
I find it sad that having musical talent is not enough. I wish we did just judge with our ears instead. Yes, the singer Adele is a refreshing change from the usual stereotypes we see these days, but she still has a beautiful face. I would like to see a female who is “ugly” acheive mainstream success in today’s music market.
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Susan Boyle. Really though beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are many ordinaries out there glossed up by the record company. Lady Gaga does not have a beautiful face, nor Britney or Christina or Madonna for that matter. Rhianna has a hard face and cheapens herself soooooooooooooooo much. It is easy to say talent is enough and the singers I have mentioned have talent. We do judge with our ears hence Adele before we saw her lovely face. Yes, loads of stereotypes around and talent does seem to generally winout. My opinion but that’s the point right? Rikki Lee seems desperate and perhaps she is to continue extending her 15 minutes.
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Mia how about an interview with Rikki Lee about it? Is she still on radio?
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I’ve asked her for an interview before and her management said she was too busy. She is always welcome to write for mamamia and of course the invitation for an interview remains open.
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I thought you said she manages herself?
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By that I mean she doesn’t have a professional industry – based manager. She obviously has people she works with and who answer media enquiries.
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To be honest, it’s a little worrying that so many people are offended by Ricki-Lee’s weight loss. Here we have a woman who has changed her diet and adopted an active lifestyle, yet we’re condemning her for doing so. I’m all for women of different shapes and sizes, so long as they’re healthy. Rick-Lee is now stronger and healthier than she was before and we should be supportive of that.
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No one is slating her weight loss, losing the weight has nothing to do with her decision to strip off. I think it’s fantastic she’s lost so much weight, she looks amazing, but I agree with Mia on this one.
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If you read the comments, many people are slating her weight loss.
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Not an attack on you Penny just a general observation.
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I was living overseas when Riky Lee was discovered and really have no idea who she is but after a quick google images search I think she looked so much prettier when she had a more normal body shape. Her round face was so lovely.
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I hate comments like this, there is nothing abnormal about her body now. Her body is amazing, I bet you there isn’t anyone here who wouldn’t want her body if they could have it without any hard work.
Does she need to strip off to sell her music? That’s another story altogether.
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I agree. Curvy is healthy but slimmer is healthy, too!
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I feel torn by this article.
I know Mia, both you and I have discussed this topic on the radio before popstars ‘changing their image to sell their new album’ or ‘that posing in their g string is some idea of body confidence’ but when it comes to Ricki-Lee, I don’t believe this is solely the case.
Could it be that Ricki-Lee appeals to a large australian audience and targets each demographic differently?
Young girls = X Factor Performance
Older women = Who Magazine
Older men = Maxim
Is it so wrong that for men who desire her, for her to say yes to pose for in a magazine provocatively?
Madonna, Lady Gaga, Britney, Christina have all done it.. AND yes why should they pose ‘nude’ to prove their sexy/strong/confident women.. but could it be just as simple as expressing that sexy strong confidence in another light?
And men aren’t the ones that appreciate that type of showcase.
It seems to work for as women as well.
Why do we like our male celebrities topless in their magazine shoots or movie scenes?
Why did women around the world go crazy for Taylor Lautner in New Moon and Ryan Gosling in Crazy Stupid Love?
Could it be that for no particular ‘degrading’ reason we just love a little skin and Ricki-Lee is more then happy to show it?!
Besides it’s not the only way she’s promoting her new song ‘Raining Diamonds’, since it’s release she’s done endless radio/tv interviews, back to back live performances around Australia, used social media tools like Twitter and Facebook etc.
I just feel that in the whole female artist ‘get ya tits out, pout ya lips’ debacle.. that maybe it’s not always a ‘one size fits all’ scenario when claiming they’re only doing it to climb the iTunes chart or that it’s poising young girl’s self esteem.
Either way.. it’s 10.49pm on a Tuesday night and you’ve provoked enough in me to stay up way past my bed time.
Hope you’re fabulous. xo
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What has happened to this country? Why do we always have to judge people? We all have enough pressure on us day in day out, why does it matter if we are fat, thin, athletic looking, run about wearing lingerie or a garbage bag?
I don’t watch TV and only read the occasional passed on magazine so I don’t know what Rikki has been up to career wise, but I think she looked great curvy and now she looks great athletic looking. The girl has to make a living and put food on the table so if she felt she needed to do this that’s up to her. Her choice, her life.
I like this site but I don’t think that stories like this are healthy, and they are starting to push me away. I am sorry Mia, but this story feels like it is bullying Rikki lee about her life choices. Everyone has the right to make their own choices and live their own lives without it being ripped apart in the media.
I think we could all go back to the old saying of “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all”.
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I agree. This is not feminism – this is plain bitching.
There is no sexualising, objectifying, or demeaning going on. She posed sexy – nothing more nothing less, and people need to stop reading into things and thinking of the things it could ”imply”.
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I think a lot of people have a warped idea about what is ‘empowering’ formed by a combination of societal pressures and a lack of self-esteem. When I read this article I was reminded of ‘Girls with Low Self-Esteem’ from Arrested Development, the spoof on that whole ‘Girls Gone Wild’ video series… A lot of young, foolish girls who obviously feel empowered by strutting around with nothing on for the camera.
It is sad that Ricki Lee felt she had to do this to promote her album because it sends a message to us all that she is not confident in her music and has to sell it through her body.
But to be honest, it seems to be a generational thing too. I’ve noticed it a lot on Facebook with friends. People seem to be so narcissistic lately, posing half naked and posting photos for everyone to see. Especially girls that have lost lots of weight. And I think it all comes back to self-esteem
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Exactly what I was thinking.
I often wonder what the relationship is between someone’s capacity to feel “empowered” by parading naked or spamming the world with self-portraits, and their self esteem.
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The female body is nothing to be ashamed of. Sexuality is part of every human and knowing people are looking at your body with praise feels empowering to most women. Maybe not for you, but for a lot of us it does. It makes you feel good! Sexy, empowered, strong.
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I don’t think anyone’s suggesting the female body is anything to be ashamed of. And of course a compliment – on your looks, brains, conduct, achievements – is empowering.
The point many here are making is that it seems being a success in her professional field isn’t enough until a woman validates herself as attractive. The issue is whether a woman’s appearance is still worth more than her skills. And whether there’s an imbalance compared with how we laud men’s achievements.
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I don’t have a problem with Ricki Lee doing this. I’ve only been back in Australia for 3 years so I’m not totally sure about her music (I don’t think I’ve heard any of it and I do listen to commercial radio) but I do know she’s on TV, radio and in magazines often.
Her career is more one of a ‘showbiz personality’ than anything else, so this is her career in my eyes, keeping up a profile in any way she can.
I’d rather see some poor taste pictures accompanied by a story about her current project than hear her talk about her divorce or her weight exclusively to Woman’s Day.
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So, Mia …. um, what makes Ricki-Lee any more different to the almost naked men that the likes of Cleo and Cosmo run in their mags to excite women? I am sure that during your time at both magazines you were able to attend a photoshoot of the same nature as Ricki-Lee’s but for a smoking hot man. What IS the difference? How does Cleo and Cosmo running semi naked pics of men in their mags that are available to young girls differ from Ricki-Lee appearing in her lingerie in a Men’s magazine (which is probably not readily available to, or read all that often by young women).
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So true. But the World is full of double standards. Mia only goes to show that with most articles she writes. I sometimes wish I could just ignore her but I find it hard. She probably enjoys the division she creates. It probably empowers her. Kind of like Ricki.
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Mia, I couldn’t agree with you more…although I have written so many long rants about this on my own personal blog I’ll keep this short as a lot of it has already been said. However I will say, it really does make me sad at the state our world is in when we celebrate photo shoots like this and female singers feel the need to flaunt themselves sexually to come out ‘on top’ again…I get scared about the world my daughters are going to grow up in when becoming sexual toys for men is one of the main ways advertised as becoming successful…soon I’ll be a crazy mother locking my daughters inside not allowing them to watch any tv, listen to the radio, go on the internet or read magazines (maybe not, but lets just say the thought has crossed my mind.)
I love the list of the successful female artists you listed above who have not taken their clothes off, and the fact that most of these artists are still around and respected in the music industry (unlike many other female artists who have resorted to taking their clothes off.) Let’s hope that female artists begin to take a stand against this disgusting exploitation and start to use their talents rather than their curves (or lack there of) to remain in the media.
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I actually think she looks fantastic and I would be damn proud to be in such good shape. From the bits and pieces I have read, she didnt suddenly lose weight, it took some time and considerable effort and she has acknowledged both self esteem issues and the realisation (after seeing pictures of herself) that she was previously not doing the best thing by her health.
As for the criticisms re “I love my curves” “I love my new body” – I understand your frustrations but I take those stories with 2 grains of salt – 1, she is deserving of the right to change her mind and 2, do not for a second believe that the quotes came from Ricki and not from what the magazine deemed to be the better grab.
If you don’t like the magazine, dont buy it. It is not shoved in your face and I would not have been aware of it if it were not for this post. Sometimes I think people are looking for a reason to get worked up. To me, this isnt personally worth the effort. It is a mere blip on my radar and far less offensive than the saturation coverage of that silly Kim Kardashian woman!
As they say, don’t hate the players, hate the game.
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I have to ask … Mia, why? Why even write this? I don’t get it … so much for the ‘sisterhood’! Why put her up on your blog to be shot down in flames?
I really don’t see the problem with Ricki Lee doing a photoshoot for Maxim. You have mentioned it’s not good for young girls to see this kind of thing, but honestly, if they’re that young then WHY would a young girl even be AWARE of a magazine like Maxim. To be honest, magazines such as Dolly, Girlfriend then Cosmo and Cleo have a far greater impact on young girls than any bloke’s magazine. As a teenager I never even picked up a men’s magazine – they’re for MEN! Cleo and Cosmo, however, far out I have never read such SMUT in all my life.
Personally, I think she looks fantastic in her Maxim shots! She has put in a LOT of hard work to get fit and healthy and the end result is that she looks terrific and radiant – and if she felt empowered, then good for her. Her empowerment isn’t about women in general, it’s about her feeling empowered and happy within her own skin. I think it’s a bit off that she’s being judged for her new body shape when, in my opinion, her new figure is hardly the same as the majority of the scarily thin A-Listers the media holds in such high regard. Young girls could learn a lot about healthy image by looking towards women who have a dedication to a healthy exercise and diet on top of working hard to get where they are.
I really DON’T get what the point of this article is … cos at the end of the article it says comments sledging Ricki-Lee will be deleted … yet that’s what the article does? Sledges her for wearing lingerie in a photoshoot? I REALLY DON’T GET IT.
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I agree totally! Cosmo and those other magazines are more degrading than FHM and Maxim – they are stuffed full of articles about what we must do to please our men. The models of mens maazines do it to please themselves, get paid for it, and if men like it well good, so what. Cosmo is directed to women and therefore should hold responsibility in not publishing articles revolving around men’s pleasure!
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What exactly has she achieved? Losing weight? So what? That’s personal and not worthy of such shallow, superficial attention.
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No I think you are all right!! We should all stop exercising and eating healthy and being proud of our healthy bodies immediately – we are all setting a bad exmple!!
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For the record I am a journalist. I am a journalist with teenage girls. The same teenage girls who I sometimes see crying because they do not match up to the airbrushed pictures of female models in magazines or fit the mould of the so-called perfect size 6. This myth is perpetuated by people like Ricki-Lee who pose in sexy shots to sell their music or their TV show and models who are airbrushed to within an inch of their life.
This is where the sexualisation of girl tweens and teens comes from. It has become an epidemic and shows no signs of stopping anytime soon.
Ricki-Lee might have felt good about herself doing this shoot in this era of self-promotion but all she is really doing is selling herself and all the tweens and teens that listen to her music, out.
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I am a real person and when I look at slim girls in ads I think, good for them! Go for it! But unfortunately they are always followed by some moany women bitching because they are ‘too skinny’ = aka not good enough in THEIR eyes. I see fat women on tv all the time slating skinny girls because, guess what, ‘curvy is better’. If you’re skinny, you aren’t a ”real woman” or you’re ”unrealistic”. It’s bullshit.
It’s like looking at someone rich in a magazine and crying because you don’t have that exact finance. It’s not feminist, it’s just bitching.
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Ever since Ricki-Lee was a Who cover girl sprouting about how she embraced her curves & then 6 months later was on the same cover all “slimmed down” & feeling the best ever Ive despised her!!!!! Not because she was all of sudden skinny but because she comes across as a hypocrit!!! Be what ever size you want but at least be HONEST about how you feel.If you feel shit being overweight then say so, dont jump on the “I embrace my curves” bandwagon & then tailspin into the “I just wanted to be healthy” wagon. Be yourself & if that means getting your gear off then do it but be truthful & say that you wanted the money & wanted to show everyone how “healthy” you are…..
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Mia, another fantastic and interesting piece. In my opinion I am also saddened by Ricki-Lee choosing to participate in such a shoot for a men’s magazine. The premise here lies in the fact that by doing so she is becoming commoditised and perpetuates an ideal of women as objects of male desire. There is obviously a “slippery slope” here, because women should be able to feel sexy and empowered, (all power to Ricki-Lee that she feels this way), but I don’t think MAXIM was the place to do it.
Why not do a shoot for a women’s magazine and focus attention more on her psyche and passions and obviously her music. We need to see more women standing against pictures and messages that make women internalize a strong desire to be thin, naked and physically judged by men. I have no doubts that the picture on the cover was digitally enhanced too, just adding to the saddening fact that we live in a society where media presents us with fake images, so we are constantly striving for an image that is physically impossible to reach (without the aid of photoshop).
Ricki-Lee, instead of posing half naked and selling the image of your body, use your talent and personality as a strong sexy woman help you with record sales! Your appeal is that you are a gorgeous young woman with an amazing voice.
I also think this article warranted the video and images to be shown. After all, it is what Mia was talking about and adding context to a piece is what solidifies a journalistic piece.
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I am not quite sure why a ‘curvy’ person would NEED to hide their body? This only perpetuates the idea that the norm is slim and that anything that deviates from this needs to be covered up. I am overweight, have been all my life. I dress appropriately for my size and my age but I don’t feel that I need to ‘cover up’ my body because of its size.
I am so disappointed by Ricki Lee. This is the kind of thing that you do to resurrect a flagging career. Being slim or posing naked has got nothing to do with how you sing. Look at Adele.
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After hearing Ricki-Lee’s performance on XFactor tonight, I’m not surprised the clothes have come off! An average, average song (just like Cilmi’s 2nd attempt) so it’s no wonder, really.
She does look amazing, though. Good on her for working hard and achieving her goals. Although here’s hoping she can produce a better song soon…
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empowering in that she is able to feel good enough about herself to do it. Why try and slam her down?
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I’m also sad and concerned that Ricki lost a fair amount of weight not long after exclaiming in Woman’s Day or something that she was so happy being a size 14 and liked being a curvier woman on television. Fair enough she can do what she likes with her life and her body, but it really disappointed me.
EDIT: Oops, seems as though someone’s pointed this out already.
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But here’s the thing: it DOES feel better to be fit and healthy with a lower BMI. That’s not to say curvy girls don’t or shouldn’t feel fabulous, but I can completely understand why Ricki-Lee looks happier than she has in the past.
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Just because someone has a lower BMI does not mean they are FIT or HEALTHY. In fact, the only things you can tell about a person’s weight/size/shape is 1. their weight/size shape and 2. your perceptions about people of that weight/size/shape.
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I understand what you’re saying and you’re right, a BMI isn’t a valid indicator of a person’s fitness level. What I implied, however, is that Ricki-Lee’s BMI would be down because she IS fit and healthy.
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Ricki is a very dear friend of mine. We were on the same season of Idol. I see no issue with her doing this, I am proud of her and I know the hard work she has put in both emotionally and physically. Both my daughters look up to her as a role model and I couldn’t think of a better person for them. She is brave, kind, humble, smart and caring. I know I am extremely bias as I am her friend but I think it’s her choice to take part in a shoot and she looks bloody fantastic. I see Mia’s point of view and know she would not have written this out of any sort of malice only concern. It has certainly raised some debate here. I know Ricki was proud of this shoot and felt great about herself after it and that’s good enough for me.I also believe good parenting insures your kids take the “right” messages from their role models, let’s not place too much pressure on a 25 yr old huh?! Em x
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I’d be horrified if my daughter looked up to her as a role model, because how would I explain this to her? I can understand the arguments that “celebrities shouldn’t have to be role models”, although I don’t agree with them. But your point of view just puzzles me. If she was my friend, I’d feel disappointed in her because my kids looked up to her. I wouldn’t dump her as a friend, but I’d be keeping my kids away from her. Otherwise they’d think it was normal to strip down to your undies and take photos to be plastered all over the place, and I wouldn’t want my kids thinking that.
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How would you explain this to them if she was their role model? Well why would you have to? The only way they would see it is if you gave your teen daughters magazines designed for adult men.
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I really, really wish this was true, Glow. But, unfortunately they’d just have to enter a news agency or a convenience store. In my local newsagency this magazine is across the aisle from the pink wrapping paper. In my local 7/11 there is usually a stand with these magazines on the counter next to where you pay. It makes me so cranky, and I usually distract my daughter (she’s not a teen) and then turn the magazine around back-to-front, but you know what, it’s a pain doing that. Mostly I just don’t let her come into the 7/11 with me. If these images weren’t in your face everywhere, I wouldn’t have such a strong opinion about this.
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Glow, if you had teenage daughters would you have a problem with them reading Mamamia? They could see the pictures the same way we all have. Just as I’m sure there are pop up stories on ninemsn.com and other sites. It’s not a simple as “don’t pick up a men’s magazine!”
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It is normal. It’s NOTHING to be ashamed of. It’s not sex until someone in their own mind has those connotations. A naked female body is not sex – it’s just a body!!
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Please don’t attack me for saying this, but if it was a half naked male celebrity like Hugh Jackman on the front cover of a magazine, I would buy it without a second thought!
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Exactly!
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Hi, I am a big fan of your writing however, I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin on this one – the issue in my mind is just that Rikki Lee has been battling weight issues for quite a while now, as well as other personal and professional issues. Speaking as someone who has battled obesity for most of my life and have recently lost quite a lot of weight, I believe her statement of feeling empowered is valid.
Having to hide your body at such a young and vibrant age is depressing and it’s all you think about at times. Often thoughts turn to ‘how can I cover up the most parts of my body and still avoid looking like an eskimo in the middle of summer’.
But she looks fantastic now, and I think if she feels that posing for a magazine in lingerie where for the first time people will look at her and think ‘wow she looks amazing’ instead of ‘wow, I wish I hadn’t seen THAT’ for once then she should. I DO see the angle you are coming from here. Women shouldn’t seek men’s approval (or really anyone’s approval) particularly in the form of a nude shoot, but think about this other angle of how lonely and self-conscious she’s been of her weight all this time, and now finally being able to go into a shoot like this KNOWING she looks fabulous and people are going to recognise that she’s worked so hard, that can be seriously empowering. In the (summed up) words of Olivia Wilde, if you need to do something like that to boost your confidence every once in a while, why shouldn’t you?
In saying that, I really love your work Mia, thanks for posting this for a good debate
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Sorry, you’re listening to the wrong Ricki Lee.
Rickie Lee Jones never got her gear off. Never needed to. That’s because she could sing.
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And who is she?
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Try using Google. Do you expect me to do all the work for you?
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What I mean Salvatore is that she may be a great singer but she respected herself and didn’t take her clothes off, so who knows about her?
This why so many female performers feel like they have to take their clothes off to progress in their career.
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OK, sorry , I misunderstood your point, which is a good one. Though back in Rickie Lee Jones’s 1970s hey-day, no-one expected female artists to strip off and cavort erotically. True, Jones never broke through to a mass audience, but she did reach a dedicated cult audience that seems to sustain her to this day.
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Thanks for this article, Mia. I think it is important that we bring attention to the process through which women gain broader media attention – regardless of whether they are actors, singers etc. We live in a predominantly patriarchal society unfortunately and in order for women to ‘get a head’ they sometimes believe they need to collaborate in activities which are objectifying, degrading and sexist. I can’t of any men that have become ‘famous’ for their involvement in sex tapes?!
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I saw Rikki in the flesh last week at the Melbourne Cup.
She was fully clothed and looked totally hot.
Far hotter and more gorgeous than she does in these shots.
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There’s a lot of judgment (of Ricki-Lee and of Mia) here already, so I’m not going to say anything more than this:
How does taking your clothes off relate to making music? I don’t know how nudity fits in to a musician/singer’s marketing strategy.
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What’s wrong with “judgment”? If you don’t have any, you won’t get far in life.
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I was just talking with my husband about Ricki Lee last night. He saw a pic of her and couldn’t believe how thin she was. Now I have no problem with people losing weight and she looks great.
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What gets me is that she was on the front cover of a mag maybe a year or two ago going on and on about how happy she was with a size 14 figure, how she ate healthily and exercised and her figure still remained the same, so it was just genetics, she couldn’t be a different shape if she tried bla bla.
So what is it Ricki Lee? Did you starve yourself to lose the weight? Or did you never believe any of that stuff in the first place? Either way it’s obvious you weren’t happy in your skin in the first place, so why say so?
For the record I think she looks fantastic but it’s soooo frustrating and typical of all celebrities to LIE about their self image. I would have WAY less of a problem with celebrities saying “Yeah I wish I were thinner” or “I eat pretty much nothing and have a personal trainer to stay this thin”. This sends a clear message to the rest of us.
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I was going to write exactly the same thing. It’s eternally frustrating to have women “celebrate their curves” only to get rid of them by the next issue of Who Weekly and confess that they were never happy in their old body after all. The message it sends out is that if you are a normal size and truly happy with your body that you must be lying. Argh.
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I know the exact article you’re talking about, because I thought the same thing!