BY KATRINA BLOWERS
Recently, on a busy, reasonably well-lit street with cars whizzing past and people walking by, I was held against my will and sexually threatened by a pack of about a dozen young men.
I’d just been out to dinner with a group of old friends and was excited to be in Sydney on a rare child-and-husband-free night away.
“Just drop me anywhere here,” I’d told my best friend who was driving me home.
“I don’t know….” she said, looking worried. “I’ll be fine,” I assured her. “There are people around. My apartment’s only a hundred metres away. I’ll be fine!”
I’d already seen them as we looked for a place to pull over. A group of young, twenty-something, well dressed guys singing what sounded like soccer chants and looking like they were having fun. There was nothing sinister or threatening about them. I didn’t give them a second thought as I waved her goodbye, stepped out of the car and walked towards them.
What happened next happened so quickly it’s difficult to pinpoint exactly when or why the mood shifted.
As I got close, one of them broke away from his mates and came running towards me. Grabbing the back of my head, he tried to force his mouth onto mine.
As I tried to push him away, his friends surrounded me in a tight circle. They were still singing and chanting, jumping up and down crushing me between them.
Suddenly I was pushed against a wall. There were hands grabbing my breasts, my crotch, squeezing my butt, tugging at my clothes. Bodies pressed into mine, rubbing themselves against me.
I’ve often wondered how I’d react in a situation just like this one. I remember thinking that this was it – I was going to get gang raped. I thought of the cars driving past and how public the space was, but I was completely obscured from view. I’m not a tall person and anyone passing by would have just seen a group of cheering guys.
Miraculously, I stayed calm. I tried reasoning with them, telling them I had two young kids, that this wasn’t ok and I’d had enough.
There was a gap in the group and I made a run for it, right into the middle of the busy road. I walked quickly in between the cars until I got to a crowd of people.
Shaking all over, it was then that I began wondering what I’d done wrong.
Was I an idiot for walking by myself at night? Channelling Joan from Mad Men, I’d worn a knee-length leopard skirt out that night. But I wondered – did that make me look slutty and up for it? Was I completely naïve to think that walking towards a group of drunk guys wouldn’t spell trouble? Was this an ‘I told you so’ for not learning self-defence?
The lack of respect those men showed me meant I also felt shame. It took until the following afternoon before I could tell my husband and I have only told one friend about it since.
Now I’ve had time to digest what happened, those feelings of guilt and self-doubt have been replaced by anger.
Regardless of what I was wearing or where I was, I didn’t invite that situation. Just because it was late at night and they had been drinking – it was absolutely not okay for them to threaten me with sexual violence or degrade me in that way.
According to the ABS, 1 in 5 women have, or will, go through what I went through – by a group or by an individual – only many of them won’t be lucky enough to get away like I did.
No matter how buoyed we might feel as women by ‘Slutwalks’ and Reclaim the Night rallies or that, on the other hand, we don’t ‘need’ feminism because the battle for gender equality has already been won – the stark reality is 82 per cent of recorded sexual assault victims in Australia are women.
And chances are, subtle questions continue to swirl around the victim when it happens.
What were they wearing? Had they been drinking? Did they clearly say no? Where were they when it happened? How were they behaving?
These questions send a message that what women do and how we conduct ourselves is the trigger. By asking these questions the message ‘don’t get raped’ becomes louder than ‘don’t rape’.
It surprised and disturbed me greatly to learn that for all my perceived enlightenment about this topic, when I became a victim I initially asked myself these same questions.
In a stable, peaceful and progressive country like ours women deserve to feel and be safe and be treated with respect; no matter where they are, who they’re with or what they’re wearing.
No question – it’s our right.
Katrina Blowers juggles the care of her two young children with work as a journalist, writer and communications consultant. You can follow her on Twitter here.
Please note if this post or any of the comments bring up any issues for you, or if you need to speak to someone please call the NSW Rape Crisis Centre on 1800 424 017. It does not matter where about you live in Australia, they will take your call and, if need be, refer you to a service closer to home.







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As a reclusive 20 year old male that works 3 jobs to take care of things he needs, and plays video games when he’s not busy, or watches movies on his computer on Friday or Saturday nights, and hasn’t had alcohol ever, I don’t even relate to this. I treat women with respect. But as its obvious with my description, there aren’t many around me. But accounts like this astound me.
As an immigrant, I was told that women and men are equal here. And promised that women can walk safely on the streets here unlike my own country. I can’t believe I was fed cold hard lies. And I thought I was overreacting when I worry for my sister or mother being out later than 7PM.
And before anyone gives me the whole ” don’t teach your daughters to be careful, teach your sons not to rape ” speil, my parents taught me to be respectable to everyone nommatter who they are or what gender they are. I havent even said anyrhing wrong to anyone. Or any woman. My mum taught me that. So did my dad. Looks like you’ve failed us with your sons, Australia.
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This world is full of evil so, no matter what, there is always going to be bad people who do bad things to others. Yes, there are bad men, but there are also bad women. Just because some men are bad doesn’t mean all men are bad. That what many feminists disregard. They only look after women.
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No matter what we do or don’t do,there will always be men (so called ) who take advantage.when I was a child my father had some friends from work over for drinks.Late at night one of them snuck into my room,I was innocent.When I was a teenager and drunk at a party I was raped,I was open to what happened but….innocent.I could go on but you get the sad picture.Now I am a very protective mother of daughters ,men are not to be trusted.My girls don’t get it and I hope they never will.
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Katrina I am so sorry for your ordeal. I cannot imagine going through something like that and having the strength to get through it. Not to justify those men’s actions but I think that pornography, the age of the internet, where porn is so readily available, anonymously at the click of a button, has contributed much to how young men are viewing women in our society today. In porn films/photos etc, women are always made to look as though they “enjoy” the things that are happening to them, when infact most of the time they are not. It is simply exploiting women and even worse, women like you and I who aren’t on any of those websites. I read a recent study that came out of the US, saying that the age group who are clicking and downloading these porn sites the most is young men in the age bracket of 11 – 18. It truly breaks my heart. No wonder the rate of rape / sexual assault is going up and up. These are sad times we live in.
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What I really meant was a curfew for young men such as teenagers who cause most of the trouble these days towards women a perfect example is the Skaf brothers who gang raped a young women which was the exception who received a long sentence. These days the punishment for people under 25 is not tough enough they receive a free pass to do what they want and the courts are either limited in their power to give a tougher sentence or think they can be rehabilitated which is always unlikely especially in relation to sex offenders. My question to you MJ is would you rather have troubled teenages off the streets so women can enjoy their lives in a safe and secure environment knowing no harm will occur upon them or do you want young men under the age of 25 to do what they want such as causing trouble in this alcohol fueled society we live where they do not believe in rules and only their own pleasure to show how masculine they are to their friends. Its time men grow up and respect women instead of being immature idiots of the 21st century.
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These stories freak me out. I feel for Katrina and hope that she is doing OK.
I can’t help but wonder WHO these men are when they are not in their pack?
You can never imagine your brother, dad, friend or co-worker doing these things but these criminals are someone’s son, brother, grandson, dad, and someday they may marry and have a daughter of their own. Scary stuff.
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Stories like this and the ones below make me scared of alcohol and the power of alcohol. Not that it’s any justification for the actions of these men, but really… I’ve seen friends change because of alcohol, and I hate to think the influence it has on people.
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I hoped you have recovered from the ordeal Katrina the reality is we live in a world where men especially young men have no respect for women and simply see them as possessions. The one freedom that Australia has is the freedom of movement that men abuse by the way women are treated if I was in government I would have a curfew for all young men. Thus women that are assaulted as in your case are our sisters, mothers and daughters, wives and partners who should not have such situations liken to yours happened to them. I think even if they caught the idiots that assaulted you the courts are so light on such a crime that detention is the easy path to it repeating again. You’re Brave to tell your story to the world but in the world today how many more women are brave
enough like you to share their story. The fact remains women are not possessions they are human like everyone else and have the right have not have other cause them pain and suffering which they can suffer a lifetime without overcoming it. We especially men must respect women, protect them from violence and reject influence from others who lack respect for the rights of women
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Too true, All men are a seething mass of hatred for women and should be locked up and kept off the streets.
Grow up. In case you didnt realise, men are actually greater victims of random violence, by far. Check out the crime stats if you dont believe me. Radical feminism has a false view of reality.
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“In case you didnt realise, men are actually greater victims of random violence, by far. ”
And who is responsible for that?
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Yes…BY OTHER MEN!
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“Radical feminism”? Good grief. You dare to use that phrase after reading an article by a woman who was assaulted? There were reasons that women had to have a Suffrage Movement to gain the vote and reasons that women had to have a Feminist Movement so that they could hold jobs and control their own bodies and appear in public without chaperones and simply live like real human beings.
It is thugs like YOU, Mr. Anonymous, who make Feminism necessary.
I am a man and I am not afraid to give my real name, AND I have proudly called myself a feminist for almost 50 years.
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‘The one freedom that Australia has is the freedom of movement that men abuse by the way women are treated if I was in government I would have a curfew for all young men’
Guilty until proven innocent, the majority condemned for the crimes of a few. Caging all young men and shaming them as uncontrollable animals who need to be protected from their own bestial instincts.
This is how gender wars are started. Be careful how you choose your words.
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Jesus, so sorry this happened to you. For the good of the next women getting out of her mates car, please report this to police. These animals need to be arrested and humiliated. Hope you are ok.
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I just don’t understand how these men can behave like that. Pack mentality is a scary thing!
Don’t they have mum, sisters, girlfriends, aunties?
As a mother, raising a boy I will definitely be discussing this as he gets older..
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Glad you’re OK Katrina.
Totally agree that it’s not your fault but instead it was the bunch of gutless twits who are so low that they’d need a parachute to jump from a snake’s bellybutton.
I would like to think how those cowards would feel if it was their sister or mother or girlfriend or fiance in that situation instead.
Life works like a boomerang …
Keep up the good work and thank you for speaking up.
I live in the city area and do a lot of walking excercise around there for a number of years.
I’d hate to think that it’s becoming the norm instead of the exception.
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Also, Canada ran some amazing anti-sexual assault ads targeting “that guy” http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2011/05/19/ottawa-campaign-sex-assault-posters-265.html
Would be great if we saw this mentality coming through more often in the media
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The thing is that I bet that during the day, these are just normal friends who think that they have respect for women and have female friends.
I think the mentalities around what is ok and just a joke are so skewed by a lot of men AND women. As someone below mentioned, they probably didn’t ever think of what they did again while the victim is stuck replaying it over and over. How many of us have been yelled at or had stuff thrown at as while we’re walking down the street? Hilarious for the assaulter (who probably don’t realise they just commited assualt) but terrifying for the victim. I once had a water balloon thrown at me from a car and ended up with a giant purple bruise that never completely faded. And when I walked home crying, another car drove past and yelled abuse at me.
When i was a teenager, I didn’t believe the stats that said that most rape victims knew their rapist. As I got older, i realised that rape and sexual assault isn’t as easy to identify as I was made to believe.
I mean, we see young teens being charged for sexual assault when they don’t even realise what they’re doing is indeed sexual assault.
I went to primary and high schools that ran pretty good sex ed classes but I don’t ever remember ever having a class on what constitutes sexual assault.
Obviously it’s not just education – media, parenting and public mentality all have a huge influence. We need to stop joking that “boys will be boys” and encourage men (and the women who stand by or join in – Jackie O we’re looking at you) to stop with the mob mentality or the publicly hidden belief that women deserve it.
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Thanks so much for sharing your story. It really is terrible that there are men out there that think they can go around treating women like that.. My fiance is such a loving, sweet, caring and gentle person who always treats me and my friends with the utmost respect. I wish there could be more men like him in the world.
I’m going to sound like Kamal here but.. why are people so unkind? A friend of mine was walking home in the inner west last night.. she was asked for money by a couple didn’t have any and then got slapped in the mouth…
On a lighter and brighter note… “Blousey” I used to love listening to you on Nova with Merrick and Rossa!! I can’t believe the things they used to do to you on air!
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A few years ago I read a short story by an american man on a blog somewhere..it chills me even now. This incident changed this young guys life forever he says. It went something like this….
He was strutting down the streets one night, with a whole bunch of guys in their late teens, thinking they owned them. They were drinking.
A young girl was walking quickly on the other side of the road, head down obviously in a hurry to get to wherever she was going.
Half drunk and cocky they called out to her, she ignored them so they scooted down a side ally and came out ahead of her and crossed the street to end up in front of her. They were laughing and play punching each other.
They stood in front of the girl who stopped and stared at them, then tried to go around them, still not saying a word. Her head was down, her face hidden in her hoodie and the street was dark.
He also, cannot say when it turned dangerous, he thinks because she totally ignored them and wouldn’t play their game, kept her head down and wouldn’t look at them.
They suddenly stopped joking around and pulled her into the side alley and started to rape her, one after the other, she was sobbing silently.
It was his turn and he was eager, he knelt over her, his pants down and reached up and ripped her hoodie off and stared into the face of his sister.
She stared at him and mouthed his name in horror.. She was walking from the deli to their home, less that half a kilometre away and had done this every Friday night for 2 years with no problems.
He spent 3 years in jail, some of the others longer, and his family have never spoken to him again.
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my god. . . .
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Did not expect that turn of events, 3 years is too short
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Horrific, incredibly powerful story. Imagine if this was an ad how much it would make people stop and think.
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That was horrific. I think you’re right Elle, it would make for a very chilling ad. Definitely make people stop and think – what if it were MY sister/cousin/mother/friend/ etc. If you know anyone in the advertising game, forward it on.
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This is extremely graphic and I feel very uncomfortable reading it.
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Ditto.
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oh my god! gave me goose bumps!
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I cried reading this.
Katrina you are SO strong and amazing for “speaking” out to all of us.
Thank-you.
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Don’t think of a pink elephant right now – don’t think of it. What? Why did you just THINK of a pink elephant when I told you NOT to think about one?
Ironic processing is the psychological process whereby an individual’s deliberate attempts to suppress or avoid certain thoughts (thought suppression) render those thoughts more persistent.
So the point of this is….
‘don’t get raped’ becomes louder than ‘don’t rape’
This type of language isn’t useful at all. The whole paradigm needs to shift towards what we want to have as a society and we need to talk about that more.
How about we make the message to young people something along the lines of – Respect all people no matter what their gender, religion, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, physical ability or disability, etc. and how about we start living it by example, that could be a good start.
Karina you are to be admired for your courage to come forward and retell your story so vividly. I think as women we are so conditioned when something goes wrong to blame ourselves on some level.
I was sexually harrassed by a former CEO at an old job and my first thought to myself was, “what have I done, why did I ask for this?”
Fuck. That.
He is the sick pervert that took advantage of my ambition and naivety and forever tarnished the way I now interact with male bosses. It took me years to tell anyone what happened let alone ‘own” my story and take my power back.
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I once went to a lecture given by a female judge on gender equatiy, this is the sheet she gave us, and this was 20 years ago, things have not changed:
In a dialogue to demonstrate why most rape victims prefer not to press charges, the article asks us to imagine a robbery victim under¬going the same sort of cross-examination that a rape victim does.
“Mr. Smith, you were held up at gunpoint on the corner of First and Main?”
“Yes.”
“Did you struggle with the robber?”
“No. ..
“Why not?”
“He was armed.”
“Then you made a conscious decision to comply with his demands rather than resist?”
“Yes.”
“Did you scream? Cry out?” “No I was afraid”,
“I see. Have you ever been held up before?”
“No.”
“Have you ever given money away?”
Yes of course.”
“And you did so willingly?”
“Well, let’s put it like this, Mr. Smith. You’ve given money away in the past. In fact you have quite a reputation for philanthropy. How can we be sure you weren’t contriving to have your money taken by force?”
“Listen, If I wanted-”
“Never mind. What time did this holdup take place?”
“About 11PM”
“You were out on the street at 11p.m.? Doing what?”
“Just walking.”
“Just walking? You know that it’s dangerous being out on the street that late at night. Weren’t you aware that you could have been held up?
“I hadn’t thought about it.” “What were you wearing?”
“Let’s see- a suit. ‘Yes, a suit.”
“An expensive suit?”
“Well- yes. I’m a successful lawyer you know.”
“In other words, Mr. Smith you were walking around the streets late at night in a suit that practically, advertised the fact that you might be a good target for some easy money, isn’t that so? I mean, if we didn’t know better, Mr. Smith, we might even think that you were asking for this to happen, mightn’t we?’
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reading that made my skin crawl and makes it seem like its worded that way specifically to make the victim blame themself and not press charges.
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That is simply brilliant. Thank You.
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This is awful. Once I was walking outside near where a few pubs were, with two of my friends. It was a well lit, crowded area. A group of guys were walking towards us, when they passed us one of them literally picked me up and started carrying me down the street, and tried to put me in their car. At first i was like.. this is a joke, and just saying ‘put me down NOW’ and trying to wiggle out of his grip, but then once we started approaching the car and I realised their intent I started screaming like I was being murdered and tried to kick and bite him. One of the bouncers who was on his cigarette break came to my rescue and the guy just let me go and they drove off.
I never reported it, everyone just sort of laughed it off. I think we were all drunk and nobody but me realised how serious the situation had got, and I didn’t want to make a fuss.
When I think about it now, I’m so angry it happened, and so disappointed with myself that I didn’t report it. That one incident has made me feel uneasy walking around at night, or near large groups of drunk/loud people. At the time I laughed it off, but when I think back now it scares the shit out of me how powerless I was. I couldn’t physically get away, if that bouncer hadn’t have helped me I would have been in huge trouble.
The main reason I didn’t report it was because I just thought it was normal, that it wasn’t a big deal because many people I know have had something similar happen to them. Not as dramatic, but things like.. a friend got her bra unhooked by a random guy at a bar, then he threw money at her, another friend got pinned against a wall by a guy she didn’t know, stuff like that. Mostly things that weren’t with an intent to harm or rape them, just to humiliate them and touch without permission.
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I felt sick reading that.
My husband often tells our two young boys that you you need to treat womer with respect whwnever he sees the opportunity. He also provides an excellent example in his actions alwys.
I can only hope that they grow up undertsanding how unacceptable that behaviour is and have the courage to tell their peers when they are acting that way too…
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Please report it.
Noone deserves that.
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Terribly sad story. It makes me really angry when I read things like this. When I leave my office of an afternoon (inner west local) I feel like I am constantly looking around to make sure I am safe!
I have just lent a book to a friend called The Gift of Fear (Gavin de Becker). Great read and talks about being able to understand your surroundings and knowing when you might be in danger.
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Parents – what are you teaching your boys.
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Thanks for asking.
Im a parent of young boys. I’m teaching them to respect themselves, to think about how their actions affect others, that no means no and that they don’t have a right to be in someone else’s personal space. This is all age appropriate stuff for them, but will have ramifications for how they think of themselves in space and in relation to others for ever more (I hope). I look forward to the time when my boys are sensitive, brave and courageous young men, who know when something isn’t right and feel confident enough to break away and speak up.
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Yeah, because, you know, all boys do this type of stuff hey. Lets keep some perspective here shall we. Its like hearing of a specific crime commited by a woman, and saying ‘for gods sake mums, what are you teaching your girls’. Nonsense , sexist gender stereotyping based upon the fairly rare type of events described in this post.
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Ok but what is a female gender crime against men that can be compared to rape, sexual assault or violence against women?
The facts are that rape/sexual assaults against women by men are common. Therefore the question “parents what are you teaching your sons” is relevant and important.
Sadly assault of any type is predominantly by men against women, that’s a fact. Education of young men is therefore extremely important.
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Well, how about we use the example of infantacide, and suggest that therefore, dads need to talk sense into their daughters to stop them killing or harming their babies.
There, how does that make you feel as a woman to hear that bit of advise. As I said, lets keep some perspective.
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“Fairly rare” – wrong. This type of event, other sexual assaults, rape of women are all very common
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Come off it. I have spent 25 years going out with groups of guys, pubs in the city etc, and have never seen anything like what is described in the post happen. Ever. I think you over state it if you are putting out a call to all mums to teach their sons to not act like this. Way to make all males feel guilty for the sins of a (very) few.
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I have a feeling you are the same anon as last time. What do you do, hang around blogs waiting for a story about rape and then deny they ever happen for fun? Just because you have never been raped doesn’t mean no one has.
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Without counter balance, the forum becomes an echo chamber that feeds on itself. Next thing you know you’ve created a climate of fear where women perceive that all men rape, think about raping all the time and women are never safe.
Rape happens and its terrible, but shaming all young boys and making women afraid to be around men just because they are men creates all sorts of problems with individuals and society as a whole.
Balance is needed in debates like this.
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I worry for my little brother, as he grew up he witnessed the numerous sexual assaults our older half brother did to me when I was only 10. He is now 12 and its been many years so who knows how my brother will turn out but its also how his friends will warp him that worries me.
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I hope you are asking this from a curiousity perspective, as in ‘what do other parents do’, rather than the way it comes across, because it sounds awfully like you are accusing parents of boys of teaching them to go and hunt in packs and assault women.
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And you know what – those guys probably never thought any more about it, whereas you will never forget it. It makes me so mad. What would their mothers/ girlfriends/ sisters think??
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We should also be asking, what would their brothers, fathers, uncles, grandfathers think of them? Men also shouldn’t condone what they did either.
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One tip for women who are walking alone is to put your keys in between each of your fingers & clench your fist. Very effective & unexpected, gives you the chance to break free.
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I do that too. It is actually really painful, I accidentally stabbed myself in the neck with my keys once when I was hoisting a bag on my shoulder. I think it would definitely work to knock someone off balance for a second so you can run.
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Yep, I do that when walking to my car alone plus I did kung fu for a few years. I had a wonderful instructor who showed us girls basic defence stuff like getting out of a bear hug and headlock. I would not hesitate to use those skills these days! Girls should be taught this stuff IMHO.
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You should actually be very careful with this. It is not as effective a weapon as the urban tale would tell you. Also know that if you take a weapon to a fight it can also heighten the situation and/or be used against you. The only true way to be safe is to train and study effective contemporary skills in practical Defence and/or survival skills. The police will not make it in time to assist you, the politicians legislation will not change bad behaviour. Knowledge is power. Train. Learn.
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Paul – where do you get your information from? This has worked for me and other women that i know.
It is not an “urban tale” that’s for sure and that is quite condescending.
You don’t need to “train and study…” you need to be smart, aware and ready to do anything, anything that will help you break free and get away.
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Louise, you say this has worked for you? Have you openly stabbed an aggressive assailant with a set of car keys in your fingers? An assailant twice your size with previous violent assaults under their belt and an intent to do you harm? The one person that I know that has used this as a weapon had her key between her thumb and forefinger and repeatedly stabbed an attacker. She was then charged with assault with a weapon. This is a fact, not a fantasy. If you attempt to strike a man with car keys between your fingers they will do nothing more than scratch and vehemently piss off your attacker. That is if you can even stab (prod is a better word). The effects of adrenalin on the body when under attack generally (statistically 9 times out of 10) cause the victim to freeze. My information comes from 30 years of dealing with Martial Arts Instruction and my work by day as a social worker in a low socio economic area of Sydney – in fact the area with the highest rates of domestic violence in Australia. In order to prepare for any form of violent assault training is the only option. Even to learn and understand the effects of adrenalin on the body, let alone deal with an aggressive predator. That is smart.
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how shocking for you! Did you call the police? They would have done this to any woman walking on their own, you’re not of course to blame in any way.
Something similar happened to me many years ago and I know how easy it can happen esp when you’re not very tall and petite. Thank God you got away.
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I wish that you had been able to kick each and every one of them in the balls !
Disgraceful behaviour. Absolutely no excuses. End of story.
You’ve got one angry guy sitting at his computer right now !
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Hi Katrina
You poor thing. I feel sick for you. What a horrible experience. Please don’t blame yourself or your clothes. There is no excuse for this kind of behaviour.
Sending you a great big comforting hug as a small gesture to help relieve your pain.
Lil x
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You have done nothing wrong Katrina. You should not be harassed or scared for your life just because of what you wear out at night. These men who attacked you have not progressed at all from their days in the caves, and will tend to only attack someone they percieve as vunerable or isolated; this is due to their lack of intellegence and their primordial instincts, their caveman ways.
You are extremely couragous to remain calm during the ordeal; and to write about in a public forum.
Remember, you can walk around with your head held high, those Neanderthals need to walk with their heads in shame.
Regards
Rob.
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OMG I was shaking reading this story! From your own terror and my anger!
I would like to think I would have gone straight to the nearest police station or rung triple zero to report it. I still think you should do this – even after time has passed. There are heaps of street cameras around these days so they may be able to identify some of them.
Totally unacceptable
Don’t ever blame yourself.
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Agree, report it. 1) almost certainly these blokes are on CCTV somewhere 2) the police will know them and 3) the “benefit” of a group crime like this is that it’s pretty easy to break one member of the group and get them to testify against the rest so these are often quite easy crimes to get a result on.
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Report it! They may try and get someone else next time otherwise.
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Totally agree & you’re right about the cameras too, good point.
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This doesn’t need to happen. There are societies (Singapore is one) where anyone regardless of sex, race or age can walk anywhere at any time and have an almost zero fear of being assaulted. But they have taken a decision as a society that they put a lot of resources into law and order and give very few rights to criminals and accused criminals. We could do this here but for some reason don’t. It may be that our legal system has got the balance right but we need to acknowledge that one of the costs of erring on the side of law breakers is that public spaces (and women in those spaces) will be less safe than they need to be. I’ve personally never understood why much feminist thought seems to be on the left/liberal anti law and order side whereas they should be natural allies.
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Singapore isn’t that wonderful, in the centre of town there’s no rubbish and no hint of crimes, but head out into the rest of the island and lots of crime goes on, but most isn’t reported in the media. When I lived there an expat was murdered, and it wasn’t in the local news, the government likes to keep the people in a censored microcosm. For gods sake an episode of Sex in the City is so highly edited it’s about 15 min long!!
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I think holding any government to zero crimes is an unrealistic standard. It is though the case that public order offences in Singapore are virtually nil and the kind of incidents reported here simply don’t occur there (although, yes, there is crime that flies under the radar). And yes there is a price to pay for these outcomes. Personally I see censored sex and the city as an acceptable price to pay for not being groped in the streets, you may have a different view.
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Katrina, tell the cops. The baddies might have been involved in other crimes or up to badness before or after they assaulted you. The police need the community to inform them about crimes like these otherwise they will be none the wiser…..(former detective)
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I agree. Tell the police. Even if they are not identified and charged with assaulting you, if someone else was raped or more assaults took place by these ‘men’ that night or in that area, at least the police will have something to start from. I had some guy grab me in my street, about 50m from my house, in broad daylight. I had no idea how to react and was totally shocked into stunned silence. I ran off and when I called the police, even though I couldn’t identify him, I said I was worried that he may do something more serious later and they should be aware this had happened.
Keep your chin up too, you were brave to remain calm and you did NOTHING wrong. You should be proud of yourself for remaining so in control of yourself and getting away. xx
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Report what happened to the police. The next woman may not be so lucky. The more we report crimes the less acceptable this shit will be
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What happened to you is not acceptable and should never happen to anyone.
I’m wondering, and from your article I’m guessing not, did you report the matter to the police?
Not reporting to police immediately and taking appropriate action only encourages this sort of behavior. Only when people realize there are consequences to their actions will they stop.
In the mind of these men they copped a feel, got away with it and will joke about it for years to come. All because the police weren’t called on them.
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I think you need to be careful with your causal links.
The reason these men can laugh and joke about their despicable behaviour is because they behaved despicably and think that it is brag worthy, not because of anything Katrina did, or didn’t do.
But I agree that reporting these incidents to the police is a good idea.
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That really sucks. How terrible you had to experience this. It makes me so cranky.
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Thank you for sharing your experience Katrina. I really liked the point you made about the message we send.
Definitely, in the media and in schools there needs to be a greater emphasis on “Don’t rape” rather than “Don’t get raped”. As that ad posted a few days ago on MM set out to do.
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The worst part of this story for me is the fact that not one of those guys stood up for you. They couldn’t of all thought that that behavior was acceptable yet no-one had the guts to step up and stay stop.
I’m glad you got away before the situation got worse.
Thank you for sharing.
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I agree. Surely they all have sisters, friends, cousins. Actually I doubt anyone who does that and watches it happen would have female friends. I cant believe nobody stopped them. Thank god you’re ok.
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It says a lot about guys when they have ZERO female friends…
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This kind of ‘pack’ behaviour is horrible
I hope that any male or female who sees or hears about someone they know participating in hooliganism, cat calling, or something as severe as the above – is brave enough to call them on it. Let everyone know it isn’t ok.
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Thankyou for writing this Katrina! So brave but incredibly important. I feel exactly the same. Its horrific how common sexual assault and sexual violence is. What is more horrific is the focus on women preventing these situations rather than the men being held responsible ! When I was sexually assaulted the trauma of it was horrific but what was 100x worse was the way in which some people and society in general reacted. I naively thought that everyone would rally around me, be furious at the guy and fight for him to be brought to justice. That the police would be helpful and do all they could to charge him and that people would react with compassion and sympathy. I did have some people who were supportive and kind. But I was also questioned, blamed and told I was ‘overreacting’ that I ‘needed to move on’ that ‘these things happen’. I couldn’t believe it! Why was he able to walk free and I was punished for this? Why did no one fight for me?
I’m so glad you managed to escape such a scary situation Katrina and I thank you for writing this!
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It was brave of you to also share your story. The more people drift away from making the abuser accountable, the more the abuser will feel they can go ahead and abuse. I just fell so sad to hear how people support the abuser’s excuses, resulting in victims afraid to speak up. I wonder how many there are out there who are still afraid to speak up because they may feel that they will not get the support they need and feel they are to ‘blame’ in some way. When thinking about who is responsible, I think society is just as responsible for this.
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Yes I agree society needs to address this pronto!
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THat is absolutely shocking Elle! WHat is wrong with society?? It makes me sick hearing things like this.
I’ve experienced similar over things that have happened the past few years. Instead of people having any empathy, I’ve been judged and criticised.
Bad stuff happens, really bad stuff. Doesn’t mean that the person it happened to is to blame. It’s like what I keep saying about domestic violence – we have to stop asking why the woman stayed or put up with it and, instead, be horrified and demand to know how the man could have done it!
I’m so sorry you experienced such a hellish experience and then were treated so poorly by ignorant weak people. It’s not acceptable.
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Yeah its not cool Louise! I am sorry you had bad experiences and no empathy too
It’s very hard
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Yeah but it has made me a much more empathetic and far less judgmental person. It’s taught me so much & I am very grateful for that. xx
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Wow – I can’t believe that something like this would happen on a busy street – but perhaps that is just my naivety. It saddens me that anyone would think that this behaviour was okay, or that out of that huge group of guys not one of them spoke out to say that what was happening was wrong or tried to help her get away. I have two sons and I will be teaching them from a very young age about what respect for women looks like and I hope that that message sinks in to the point where they will be a voice to stand up and say stop if they are ever witness to such a behaviour or even attitude.
If I have a daughter, I will teach her about what respect from men looks like and what she should expect in terms of how she is treated by men and women. But, I will also teach her about self-preservation and how to hopefully avoid situations where something like this is more likely to occur. It’s not about suggesting that women are to blame if this does happen because it isn’t. Quite frankly, we SHOULD be able to walk down a dark alley in a skimpy dress without fearing that someone may attack us. But the reality is, there are men out there who do prey on women and I owe it to my daughter to educate her about the evils of the world and try to keep her safe from them.
I wonder if there is anything we can do to re-educate these men about what is acceptable behaviour towards women – even catcalling or comments which objectify women should be seen as no-gos – but what is the answer?
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Its great and its important you have spoken up here, Katrina. I hope you will find comfort from commenters who are saying some supportive, understanding and wise things. Tomorrow there will be a new article about something else and most people will move on. You however, will still have this pain with you and that’s when its going to be hard. I hope in those quiet moments you will be really kind to yourself, I hope you will give yourself all the time you need. I hope you will not stop seeking out support, counselling and will not stop speaking up and finding your voice and your anger. I hope you will not forget that there are some of us out there walking a similiar road and feeling similiar things. Remember when you’re feeling alone, that you’re not. Best wishes.
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It upsets me that when these kinds of horrible things happen, women still question whether they are to blame.
Katrina, THIS WAS IN NO WAY YOUR FAULT. I don’t care if you were walking down the street in a bikini, you never deserve to be treated in this way.
I am so sorry this happened to you, please remember you did not cause it and it is not OK that they did this.
And never me ashamed or afraid to get professional help. I did, and it was the best decision I ever made.
xo
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So shocking I hope you are coming to terms with this Katrina and finding a way to deal with it xxx
I was also out the other week in a remotely small city close to where i live with 4 girlfriends. It was just past midnight when I said I was heading home to my child and husband. I had not been drinking as I was driving however due to parking being so busy I had to park a fair way away and was petrified at the thought of walking on my own. One of my other girlfriends was leaving so we walked to her car (closer than mine) and then she drove me to my car. We were stopped at the lights when a bunch of guys jumped on her car and started flashing themselves! I HATE the fact that I am scared to walk at night without fear of being attacked, raped, beaten, murdered… I HATE that we are all made to deal with this. That statistic of 1 in 5 women IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!
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A similar thing happened to me 25 years ago, in London – except it was a group of teenage boys. I was walking along a busy street at about 6pm – it was dark – they surrounded me and started pushing and groping me and verbally abusing me. I managed to force my way into the road and they just moved on, away from me. There were lots of people around but they wouldn’t have noticed anything. These boys were not drunk – they were aged about 14-15. They were trying out their male power, simple as that. I feel for you Katrina and am glad nothing worse happened.
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You got angry ?……STAY angry…….These men were cowards and they committed an offence. It’s a pity you weren’t able to photograph them and report it to the police – at least so that the police could be aware that they did this …….I’d love to see the faces of the women in THEIR lives watching a video of this too………..We have the freedom in this country to travel and move around in public as women alone and are mostly treated with respect. I fear that the shabby, misogynistic attitudes of other communities may be influencing young men – mind you, mix any group of males and alcohol (or drugs) and you’ve got a potentially explosive situation anywhere in the world……………………….every teenage girl should be taught aggressive self-defence at school.
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I’m really with you on this Caz. Getting angry is really important. There seems to be this confusion with some people between violence and a healthy self-defense anger response. There’s a time to fight and a time to say “F*** off”. Let’s teach our girls.
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Agree 100% Caz, Self Defence won’t always help, sadly, but even if it helps ONE woman get away from a situation like this, it would be well worth it.
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the confidence of having that knowledge can in itself be a great ‘protection’ – looking confident, and like you will cause a fight and not go easily or quietly is often enough to put a predatory person off.
one of the best skills I have ever learnt are defensive tatics (taught by police and military)
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In my experience it’s been the element of surprise that has saved my life. The first time I was attacked by my ex in a public park, he was on top of me and I was lying on the ground. I gouged my thumbs into his eyes, that got him off. I have no idea how I knew to do that.
The second time I bit his hand whilst he was punching me and bashing my head into a brick wall. Sadly, despite there being no marks or injury (bugger), I was arrested by police and dragged through court like a criminal.
But the best thing I then did was fall to the ground and pretend to pass out aka playing dead. That worked too, only thing that stopped him from killing me.
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Oh god, not another depressing, negative post focussing on the bad stuff a few bad men do. zWe get that bad stuff happens sometime, to both men and women, by both men and women. Do we have to make this the constant daily focus of this site though.
As bradley said on another post much like this one a couple of days ago, if you present a constant stream of negative press on any subject, people overstate the size of the problem in their minds. Bad things happen, we get it already. Cant we focus on other things to. Maybe even once a year present a positive story about men for balance.
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Do you have to make a constant daily complaint about the subject of articles, if you don’t like them?
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Just curious, are you a bloke? would you tell your female relative or friend that something like this happened to that ‘bad stuff happens’ and to just move on from it?
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It is in no way intended to diminish the impact on katrina, it is a comentary on content only. We could make every single post about the bad things that happen to men and women every day, but it would not make MM a balanced or uplifting site to visit would it.
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I’m bewildered by the constant stream of people complaining that Mamamia articles are boring or repetitive.
Nobody’s forcing you to read it. There’s a big wide internet full of stuff to read out there, and pointless negative comments only make the world a little sadder and angrier.
And personally I think Mamamia has a good mix of positive and negative stories – that would be a BALANCE, would it not?
If you don’t have anything positive or constructive to say, why drag down the mood of the site by saying anything at all? If this isn’t what you want to read, don’t read it!
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I’m always amazed at the prolific rate with with which ‘Anonymous’ manages to cover the entire internet with his or her outraged views.
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There is another post today about a guy who has been cheated on and how he is dealing with it. So even TODAY there is an example of ‘bad stuff’ that happens to men.
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Maybe it would be good to have more articles from men and their good and bad experiences.
And instead of complaining about the content maybe Anonymous could pitch some articles as can other men who visit the site. I’m sure we would all be interested in reading more from the male perspective.
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This is a true story – it happened to Katrina about a week ago. She is simply telling her story.
If only we were overstating the size of the problem and it didn’t happen so much. We’d be a lot happier not to post these stories if they didn’t happen
And as far as positive stories about men we have many of those – spend some time going through the site, I am sure you will be pleased with what you see
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You may be right, Anonymous, but what an extraordinarily insensitive time to say it.
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I agree. This is a good article and one worth discussing but in last week it seems every day is an article about the sexual depravation of men. Just this last week or so it has been out of balance and it detracts from the important message these article have.
I think these topics are important to discuss but every day Like it has been can make men look worse on a whol then they are and it also loses focus on the importance of what is being discussed.
I have had a similar experience to Katrina by a bunch of football players on an end of season trip and I wonder what would of happened if a different group of footballers didn’t put a stop to it. This was in the streets of Hobart 10 years ago.
It is a terrible thing people thinking the have a right to treat people like this and needs to be spoken out against
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I get what you’re saying. If there was a mens forum and each day the ONLY articles they posted were news stories of mothers killing their children or teachers sexually abusing young students, then if there were any women left as readers, they’d probably ask for a little respite.
Similarly you couldn’t just make a comment like “why do black people keep committing crime?” in the comments and not get deleted, but when it is men the topic of conversation there is no taboo on sites like these.
People come here day after day and surround themselves with stories and tales of bad men, I don’t know how any fully functional human being could immerse themselves this far into such narrow news and opinion pieces and not come out the other side as man haters.
This is the problem with feminist sites, they dwell only on bad things men do, only on the good that women do and then don’t want to debate that this confirmation bias might actually affect the way some readers look at gender.
It’s the timing of this article, not the content. When another day goes by where thousands of men around the world risk there lives in combat, fighting fires and in dangerous jobs or just being heroic, this is the article that is posted on a feminist opinion site.
If you are not careful, it’s easy to lose sight of the the good when you solely focus on the bad
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“When another day goes by where thousands of men around the world risk there lives in combat”
Missed the articles posted on Anzac day, did you?
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Three of them.
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@ Lulu
And the other 364 days???
Really, way to miss my point,
Anzac Day aside, did my other points not stand or does a gay guy talking about being a cheater count as pro male
There is a standard here, but don’t take my word for it, in show me all the articles here showing men in a good light, c’mon it’ll only take a second.
If you can’t admit the general them here is men do bad things, then prove it
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Hahaha Thanks for your concern about us turning into ‘man haters’.I think we’ll be okay!
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I presume you are just a troll who is trying to provoke a reaction – well, you have got it.
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The problem is it is so common. Ask any of my female friend and EVERY single one of them has been subject to sexual harassment in their lives. Whether it be rape, inappropriate touching or unwanted repeated sexual innuendo. This is not acceptable. I’m of course not saying every single man does it, but as I said before every single female I know has been a victim of it. I now have a daughter and I am horrified that nothing seems to be changing despite all the media reporting. What is the answer? Im sorry that you feel too much focus is put on this subject but whilst it is still happening it still needs to be talked about for every woman’s sake.
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It’s of course fine to comment on the MM content. But you are seriously wrong about it being “he bad stuff a few bad men do”. One woman in Australia is killed every week by their male partner.
The vast majority of men are not bad, just a few. But we have to remain aware of the frequency of domestic violence.
And yes men are assaulted by women too – am definitely not ignoring that.
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You say I am seriously wrong about saying ‘the stuff a few bad men do’, and then go on to say the vast majority of men are not bad. Which is it? Why was I therefore wrong?
It’s like the first paragraph was written from the MM affected side of your brain, the rest from a logical, realistic and correct view point. Thanks for demonstrating my point perfectly.
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What did you have for dinner?! Too much testosterone?
You are stating that sexual assault against women is not frequent. It’s definitely not “a few bad men” – it’s thousands, many hundreds of thousands world wide.
It is definitely not “a few”. And that is commonly known.
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My grasp of English tells me that, if more than a few are bad, then the vast majority cant be good. simple really. It cant be both ways. And thanks for the sexist comment about testosterone.
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Ok, this will annoy but here goes – why do women assume they are going to be safe? The reality is clearly that we need to be extremely careful especially at night, we need to assume we are not going to be safe. It is not a question of women being ‘at fault’. We have the right to feel and be safe wherever we are but I know this is not reflected in reality so I take extreme care in the evening if I am out alone.
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She was 100m from *her own home*, in a very public area – it’s not illogical to assume you’d be safe in a situation like that.
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My comment was more a general observation. However close to home is where we lower our guard and that can be the problem.
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I think that is her point – why shouldn’t women feel safe?
Why is it that one gender always has to be on the alert over the other?
There was a another article written on Mamamia that pointed out that when men approach children, the instant reaction is fear – fear that the interaction isn’t as harmless as it often is.
Again – this is when one gender has to be on their toes for no reason.
It’s rather sad that in our safe and modern society we can’t provide a safe environment for each gender to flourish.
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The guys I know are just as wary walking the city streets as I am. They’ve all had experiences of being bashed. Last year one of my close friends was in a coma for 5 days after being attacked by a group of guys and girls outside a club. My boyfriend is a big guy, which you would think would make him safe, but in fact he tends to attract drunk guys wanting to prove how tough they are.
Men may not be at high risk of being sexually assualted, but they are physically assualted in public places in much higher numbers than women. It isn’t a problem only one gender faces.
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Yes totally agree. I’ve had male friends seriously assaulted, one whilst walking down a street.
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And this of interest to MM how? MM is only interested in the ‘female = exclusive victim’ view of the world, despite the fact that men are statistically more often the victims of violent crime.
Remember, it is only to violence against women that Australia says no.
Carry on.
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What a ridiculous comment to make. Violence against anyone is unacceptable – women, men, children, animals.
And that is of course conveyed on MM.
This is not a gender battle.
Violence against men is appalling. Any type of violence is.
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Ridiculous? That is what the ads tell us. You know, the ones we all paid for.
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Violence against women aus says no ads were run and paid for by the Howard gov. Were widely criticised by most. Haven’t run in about five years. Stop using the same outdated argument.
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I agree with you that violence in general needs to be targeted, like those ‘one punch can kill’ ads, they were fantastic.
However I believe that sexual violence is a different thing to physical violence. Being raped is different to being beaten up. Statistically women are the majority of those who are victims of sexual violence, hence the bigger focus on them I suppose.
I’m trying to argue with you, I’m just expressing my opinion that sexual assault/rape is not the same as assault/violence.
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Anon,
I’ve read a few of your comments sofas and I think you’re trying to get across that ‘men aren’t bad’. I don’t think this article is saying that at all. I think the main point she was trying to raise was ‘women aren’t at fault.’
She’s made several references to how her mind asked what she could have done differently. But the reality is, she could do nothing differently. The ownership lie withthe offenders.
The same way it lies with other offenders – whether mothers – who are statistically the child domestic violent abusers, or men who are statistically the sexual abusers.
No one should feel the needy protect themselves from ‘potential’ harm.
You have made several derogrative comments and backhanded compliments blaming many people for failing to think logically. I believe my comment was both even – I spike up for women and men and gave examples where society has judged both unfairly. However, you chose to comment against your principles with a ‘but it’s not fair’ response. I wouldn’t normally respond, except you’ve been pointing out everyone else’s double standards.
You should realize that the vast majority of women commenting are believers of men. Many are married with children or in long term relationships with men. We champion and appreciate those that comment often such as Brad, JJohn and IdleDad. To suggest that by sympathizing with a woman over a horrible situation is akin to hating men… Well I’m thoroughly confused!
Thanks,
Lorren
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Lorren, you mis read me. I also sypathise with any woman or man that have to deal with something like this. My issue all along was about the way this site, MM, constantly puts these type of negative stories about the evil men do, and the risk is that, in reading these things day in day out, we start to overstate this. That is all.
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Well we are supposed to be a civil society. And she was not walking the slums of Harlem.
Why shouldn’t women be safe especially in a country such as Australia?! There would be something terribly wrong if that expectation was diminished even slightly.
Of course we all, women and men, must always be cautious.
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I hope I don’t come across as a wowser, but as a non-drinker, I really think we need to have a lot more conversations about the role of alcohol in our society.
While not excusing the behaviour of these men, it seems like this is yet another example of alcohol-fuelled extreme behaviour…whether it be a sexual assault like this, or random violence or vandalism.
Why do we continue to turn a blind eye to the obvious…many Australians have issues with alcohol. I don’t necessarily mean alcoholism. And I’m not talking about a quick beer or glass of wine after work. What I do mean is that many people think it is acceptable to drink yourself to the point where normal behaviour is replaced by uninhibited aggression…
…and it’s not just men. There have been more and more examples of women also using alcohol to the point where they become aggressive and violent.
I used to drink, but not excessively. One reason I gave up drinking was that I didn’t need alcohol to have a good time. But another reason I gave up drinking was that I didn’t like what it did to other people. I didn’t like it when friends of mine changed from being reasonable people, to being aggressive and out of control. I didn’t want to have anything to do with a substance that changes people that way.
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JJ, its a good point. You can bet alcohol or other drugs were involved somewhere. But when I have been drunk in my life I just get silly, I don’t want to bash or rape anyone. The alcohol is definitely a trigger but what’s with all this tremendous violence under the surface that gets released when the inhibitions go? Where does it come from? That’s what I want to know.
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I agree. Alcohol is definitely a factor, but there’s an underlying violence that is triggered with some people that has nothing to do with alcohol.
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Yep – I was the same – when I drank, I would get very loud and talkative, but not aggressive. I was a happy drunk.
But, we have all seen how badly some other people react to alcohol. And I agree, we need to understand why some men and women become so aggressive under the influence of alcohol, while others don’t.
I still remember drinking with some police (off-duty obviously)…these were guys I worked with everyday…blokes that I respected and trusted 100%…but later that night, one of the guys I was with suddenly came up to me and said to me…”I just want to smash someone!” This was a cop who I really respected…he was unrecognisable.
Everyone reacts differently to the chemical changes to the brain triggered by the consumption of alcohol. And yet, we don’t seem, as a culture, to have anyway of dealing with people who obviously react badly to alcohol. I just feel like we all turn a blind eye to it instead of calling a spade a spade. Some people shouldn’t drink alcohol, not because they are alcoholic, but because the don’t react well to alcohol. We somehow need to educate people to understand this, recognise it in themselves and their friends, and then do something about it…
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I tend to think of alcohol as a truth serum. A person who is a shit homosapien on alcohol is just a general shit homosapien with a disguise.
I agree with you to a point, but i think the start should be addressing the personality types who are agressive on alcohol, and having harsher penalties who genuinely cannot control themselves (with obviously support for those who *want* to learn control).
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I have seen people’s personalities change so much after they have had a few too many drinks. I think alcohol has a big part to play in many (not all) of these situations. But, as others have commented, it is not something all drunk people would think of doing.
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I’m so sorry you had to go through that. Well done for speaking out.
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