Increasingly I feel awkward and embarrassed when walking around my city. Most mornings, upon leaving my house, I attract the attention of at least one lecherous motorist, or a pair of wayward builders. When I step out into the open, I am stepping into a man’s world, where I must be reserved yet sexual, demure yet demanding, and attractive, without allowing myself to become an exhibit.
But what women have accepted as the norm for a lifetime – some of my friends even find it “flattering” – is now attracting retaliation. Blogger London Feminist launched a twitter hash-tag encouraging people to share experiences of street harassment and sexual abuse that they had never reported.
The response to #Ididnotreport was extraordinary, demonstrating the overwhelming social stigma that still exists around “low-level” gender-based abuse. Some tweeted: “#Ididnotreport because reporting the first time ruined my life,” and others: “#Ididnotreport because some ‘friends’ think that you shouldn’t cause a scene when a stranger puts his hand between your legs.”
The ‘taboo’ subject attracted the attention of public figures. Brave and moving was Laurie Penny’s contribution: “#Ididnotreport the man who date-raped me when I was 19. I did tell mutual friends, who called me a liar.”
Out of solidarity, I felt moved to offer my own experience – a possessive and jealous ex-boyfriend who manipulated me until I felt so worthless that I didn’t know I deserved better.
Some criticise the modern dependence on social media as a dangerous move away from accountability and interaction, to anonymity. But #Ididnotreport has given new levels of depth to Virginia Woolf’s belief that: “For most of history, Anonymous was a woman.” Anonymous is still a woman, but now faceless interaction has allowed us to share and assimilate in a way never before possible.
Twitter has given women a platform to tell the world the things they were too scared to tell their families, friends, or the police. As a collective, women who have suffered abuse silently become a more powerful voice than they could ever have been alone.
On the same day, parenting forum Mumsnet launched their “We Believe You” campaign. Like #Ididnotreport, the campaign aims firstly to bring into the open the huge number of rapes and sexual assault that are inflicted on the ‘weaker sex’, and secondly to pull apart the many myths surrounding rape that lead to women not reporting sexual assault out of the fear they will not be believed.
Rape and sexual assault are far more common than the world at large wants to admit, and the vast majority of cases are never even reported. Some women feel ashamed or embarrassed, many fear they will not be believed, and more say that low conviction rates put them off reporting an assault.
A survey by Mumsnet found this week that one in ten women have been raped, and more than a third have been sexually assaulted in some way. In two-thirds of cases, the women knew the person responsible.
83 per cent of women who had been sexually assaulted or raped did not report the crime to the police. One quarter did not tell anyone at all.
It is time to dispel the victim-blaming attitudes surrounding ‘rape culture’. You didn’t deserve it because you dressed provocatively; yes, it can still be rape if he is your friend or boyfriend. When people buy into these myths, they limit women’s freedom of movement by implying that rape can be prevented by avoiding certain places.
Like rape, street harassment restricts girls’ and women’s access to public places. Catcalls, sexist comments, public masturbation, groping and assault make public places unfriendly, frightening and dangerous for many girls, women, and LGBT people.
On International Women’s Day, one ‘lad’ I follow on Twitter tweeted the following: “Have a good one girls, because the other 364 days belong to us #IWD.”
Needless to say, this ‘joke’ did not feel very funny. However, in the wake of my anger, I realised that it wasn’t his ignorance that offended me so greatly, but the fact that he was, largely, right.
Women do two-thirds of the world’s work, produce half of its food, yet earn just 10 per cent of its income, and own 1 per cent of its property. And – it is increasingly obvious – own zero per cent of the streets we walk around in.
Tabby Kinder is a London journalist, who has worked for The Evening Standard, The Independent and The Daily Record. Tabby also writes for a number of local news sites covering east London, and is studying for an MA in Journalism at Goldsmiths College. To see more of Tabby’s published work, have a look at her blog.
This post was originally published here and has been republished with full permission.






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Think that us girls cannot make up our mind. Feel sorry for guys cause on one hand we want them to be snags and on the other we want them to be ‘real men’.
We complain about unwanted attention then complain when we don’t get any. we need to make our minds up.
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Amen Joey !
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I disagree. If I’m out at a bar I welcome someone saying hi, asking to buy me a drink or any number of respectful interactions. I don’t want to be yelled at in the street, called a bitch for rebuffing someone or touched inappropriately by someone I don’t know. It’s not hard, guys. Treat others as you wish to be treated…
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I think some women need to get over themselves and yes I am a woman
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What is wrong with being a confident woman.
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I love prancing down the street in a short mini, flicking my hair and getting wolf whistled at. Makes me feel important and very special. Nothing wrong with showing and exposing your sexuality. Part of being female.
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Leila, agree! It gives me ego when they wolf whistle like cowboys, makes me want to be their cowgirl. Nothing better than giving them a wink, a flash of cleavage and a hot stroking wave.
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All I can say is I love second glances, I love the whistles, I love being reminded how alluring I am as a woman. Gosh I even count the number of whistles I get in the morning ony way to the office in the city. It makes me feel empowered as a woman.
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Go check some of the comments made by other women, about the bachelors, over on the Cleo Bachelor of the year article.
Anyway I thought this article was to be about wolf-whistling. Now there’s a misleading headline.
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If the whistles are just a harmless compliment, why do they usually happen when I’m on my own? Why when in groups or with my boyfriend do I not draw same level of whistles, comments and beeps etc?? Sadly, because there is a predatory element to a lot of it. That, and the reminder of the older men who would whistle at me on the walk home from school, make me really uncomfotable about wolf whistles.
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There will come a day when you all wont get second glances and remember the times when you did get noticed.. Be grateful for the now.
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agree.. and also i think she should be lucky she gets noticed at all really!
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I completely disagree. Why can’t we walk down the street without being objectified and belittled by comments thrown out by men on worksites, walking by or in vehicles? It is not ok.
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You will change your tune when the day comes when no one notices you at all.
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Pretty sure I will welcome the day I don’t feel like men are judging me based on my appearance. I don’t need to know that people are looking at me to feel worthy and good about myself and I feel sorry for those that do.
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Tipping by what you say men don’t look at you, for if they did you would have a different attitude
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Tabby get a grip, this is complimentary, like all other feminists you are playing victim to what is nature. No wonder men have turned SNAGS, women like you are creating the male breed that lack masculinity.
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Love it dats!!
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I don’t find wolf whisling offensive it’s the comments that’s offends me, and it’s the motorist who are the worst offenders not so much the builders or tradies
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These are my thoughts! http://good-day-gorgeous.blogspot.com.au/
Good Day Gorgeous! digs into how attention can turn from generating self-esteem to self-consciousness
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Upon reaching the age where my parents permitted me to go for runs around our neighbourhood, I stopped. I matured enough to have attained the adequate safety-sense to venture around nearby blocks and simultaneously, the figure to draw the eyes of male drivers. To this day there is nothing else that I enjoy more than the freedom I love when I run; the power it has to clear my thoughts and spike my happiness in life. The fresh air and the liveliness that a treadmill can’t afford is something I often forgo, not wanting the uncomfortable sense of being ‘watched’ that I feel outside. It’s not fun being pried on by strange men who take advantage of sitting in a vehicle. I did not gain confidence or esteem through this attention, I was barely thirteen and felt sickly vulnerable and judged.
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There should be more girls (who are NOT DRUNK, by the way) wolf-whisling at guys.
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Why?
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Wolfwhistles are demeaning, as intended. I used to walk a whole extra block to my first job, to avoid the building site nearby where tradesmen made me feel so mortifyingly humiliated with their whistling and comments. Thankfully most men aren’t of that blokey moron persuasion. Can’t believe a radio station is currently playing an ad where tradesmen do just that. Doesn’t do anything for their business or the rep of tradesmen, hope they know!
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I don’t like it. I’m spend a lot of time walking alone and I’m often shouted at from passing cars. I don’t find wolf-whistling offensive, mostly appreciative or funny, but I do feel threatened by lewd/loud/sexual comments which are yelled from the windows of passing cars. I feel really vulnerable and like if these men perceive me as an easy target for their comments, I probably am an easy target. Last year I was walking to the station in my quiet suburb when a guy slowed his car right down next to me, stuck his head out the window, and barked like a dog at me. This one really upset me because I thought he was saying that I was ugly like a dog, but my flatmate says that it was a compliment?!
Like so many others on here, men first started honking their horns and yelling lewd things at me when I was about 13, and that’s really confusing. I used to think that I must be giving off some signal to them to make them want me. When I got a little older I realised that it has nothing to do with a woman’s appearance, it’s just the fact that they are a woman, and these men know how to intimidate them.
Oddly, I don’t feel threatened by groups of construction workers wolf-whistling, only motorists. I think it’s because the tradies are on the job so the threat is limited, whereas any guy in a car could turn out to actually mean what he says.
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The offensiveness of wolf-whistling depends on the culture you find yourself in. Several years ago when I was in my early 20s I was in a non-Latin part of South America and the whistles and hissing were constant. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable because I was giving it a sexual meaning. It was only when I saw one of my acquaintances wolf whistle to a friend to attract her attention that I realised that the wolf-whistling and hissing wasn’t at all sexual but was simply a means of attracting attention. It was actually quite benign but I was making the mistake of interpreting it from my cultural perspective. Once that was clear it no longer felt threatening. So there is a cultural aspect to wolfwhistles.
Personally I couldn’t care less about wolf whistles. It’s been a while since I’ve copped one and even then it was never a situation that couldn’t be handled by either smiling and waving back if the giver had a cheeky smile, or flipping the bird if it was from some dickhead. There are definitely two distinct groups of wolf-whistlers.
The other thing is that I am reasonably tall and feel confident walking around our streets. Confidence is the best weapon a woman can have.
And that’s the lesson I try to teach my children. Walk tall. Be aware of your environment. And don’t be scared to defend yourself if necessary. That includes running away. Never initiate violence but don’t be scared to use what you know if you have to.
But I have to admit that if someone wolf-whistles at my 11 year old daughter and he isn’t under the age of 15, that I am going to go all Mama Bear at him. Completely inappropropriate.
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As pink so eloquently put it “I’m not here for your entertainment”!Not a fan of any uninvited sexual advances.Sexual assault \ harassment is about power.About taking from someone what is not yours to take.It may be subtle enough that the untrained eye does not see it,but if you have ever been on the recieving end of unwanted sex,you will recognize it.
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I can’t come at the arse grab or the wank gesture or the ‘Hey sexy, wanna ride this?’
I’d rather have a full body wax while drinking two litres of Dr Pepper.
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While listening to Achy Breaky Heart on repeat.
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I realise that I haven’t made clear that I don’t think groping or verbal harassment is acceptable. I have a personal space that I don’t like people in without invitation and have always operated with the assumption that others feel the same way.
I personally have never wolf whistled someone who doesn’t know me. I think the horn honk thing would wind me up, particularly if it were right on top of me.
But, on occasion, I’ve heard women quite openly assessing my level of attractiveness (or lack thereof) both positively and negatively. They don’t seem to care if they’re heard or not.
My stand out build up and then slap was; ‘That guy’s cute’
Response: ‘Nah, wog nose’.
I don’t doubt that this sort of thing happens a lot more to women than to me or other men, but all this talk of ‘power’ and ‘dominance’ is not a full explanation of the wolf whistle.
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THANKYOU! for posting this!!
I have always felt this way but felt there was no one who was the same!
Friends (mostly female ones) tell me to shutup and be quiet when I get groped in the street or to ignore boys in the city when hey say loudly “she’s got a nice rack”. Boobs are fleshy lumps and your MOTHER has them, its deeply Freudian and yet they feel the need to assert themselves by demeaning me in public, by reducing me to my basic biological function.
“Whistles are for DOGS not WOMEN!”
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I don’t get wolf-whistled. I never have. I do however have abuse hurled at me. I’ve been called all sorts of lovely names. I would prefer just to be left alone thanks. No wolf-whistling or abuse for me.
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I don’t usually feel offended by the odd wolf whistle. Sadly sometimes when I’m not feeling my best it can brighten up my day.
And why don’t some girls give it back? My best friend and I when we’re driving around, if we see a hot guy we honk the horn and whistle at him. Definitely gets the point across… and maybe he’ll understand what it’s like. Maybe he’ll enjoy it and continue to do the same in his car with his mates or maybe he’ll be embarrassed and stop and think about doing it to the next good looking girl he sees.
Sexual harassment/abuse is different. I was sexually assaulted last year by a colleague, who was a friend I thought I could trust. I said no to a few sexual acts he tried on me but this just spurred him on. When he left I cried for hours not realising what had happened. The hardest thing was admitting to myself that I’d been assaulted. But I won’t let it define me or what I think of men, he was not a man- far from it.
He lives around my area and I promised myself next time he comes up to me at the bar and gives me a kiss like it doesn’t matter I’m going to tell him, with a smile on my face, just how much of a bastard I think he is.
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If it’s only a whistle, I don’t necessarily find it offensive, but I find it pretty pathetic. They obviously don’t have the courage to come up to me, start a conversation, and actually tell me they think I look nice, or ask me out, because they don’t want to be in a position where the woman can answer back and say they’re not interested.
What absolutely makes me furious, though, is situations like last weekend- I walked past a group of men on the street. They called out to me to come over and f*ck them. I ignored them, so then they called me a bitch and a c*nt.
Really guys? That makes me a bitch?
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Oh, what dicks.
What they called you says far more about them than you, that’s for sure!
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Heres the thing girls, people being dickheads or saying innapropriate things is not the exclusive domain of men against women. Dickheads exist in all shapes, sizes and genders.
Try being a good looking bloke in a pub and seeing how many pissed girls think they can say or do whatever they want to you. Yet as usual, many on MM think they have rxclusivity on being victims.
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Mate, she was citing a specific incident that happened to her. Sorry she didn’t qualify it with “Of course, those men probably just called me a c*** because they had been objectified earlier that day themselves”. People’s experiences don’t exclude other experiences.
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So is she not allowed to relate an incident that happened to her? Do you do this in real life, too? If a woman came up to you and said she had a broken leg would you shout at her, “Men can break legs too, you know! You women and your legs, you’re just looking for ways to be leg victims! Try being a man with good-looking legs and see what it’s like!”
No. Because it would be incredibly rude. Same here.
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When did I call myself a victim?
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Heres the thing Anonomous… no one said it was the exclusive domain of men against women. Oh, except for you. You poor little good-looking bloke… talk about playing the victim!
Catherine was relaying a terrible experience that happened to her. Show a bit of respect and understanding. She was not having a go at men, just telling a real-life story.
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Car honks and wolf-whistles embarrass me – I don’t know what to do with myself. Do I smile and wave? Ignore? I do a third – blush and do a terrible time of looking casual as if I hadn’t heard it. And I can’t act.
But they do give me a spring in my step
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I have been sexually assaulted by an intruder in my own home. I am currently being stalked by a person known to me who is inciting people to rape me. I know all about sexual abuse and the damage it causes.
You know what? I don’t mind the odd wolf whistle. In fact, I usually smile to myself. Because there’s a huge, HUGE difference between a wolf whistle and sexual assault. If you don’t get that, you need to have a long hard look at your values.
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Hillary, thank you for telling your story. It has touched me deeply. Bless you for the strength that you are showing. I agree with you that some ought consider and re-evaluate their opinions.
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Hillary, I don’t think I can say anything to help. But know that I think you are incredibly brave and I pray that your situations have a satisfactory conclusion.
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I personally am not a fan of the wolf whistle/car honk. I have to cross a main road at least twice a day and the car honks I get on occassions scare the crap out of me, especially when I’m waiting on the island in the middle of the road!
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I remember years ago reading an article about a gender experiment. Fairly androgynous -looking people were chosen. As in, the male when dressed as a female looked really authentic, not like a drag queen. Anyhow, the thing that this man was most surpised at about the ‘experience’ of being female was just how intimidating men are to women. In a bar he said he felt gawked at, physically intimidated and vulnerable in a way he’d never felt as a man. And the lesson he learned was that as a man he would be more aware of respecting a woman’s personal space and so on. I think men just don’t realise that there’s a physical vulnerability with being a woman.
A guy walked right close behind me on my way home after work one time. He then pinched my arse and said something about sexy woman ..how about it?. I was so angry I turned around and without thinking just thumped him hard and said “get the fuck away from me”. He said “sorry, sorry and backed away. I know I would never have dared do that if he hadn’t been so short and petite…reality is he probably was stronger than me and I was lucky he wasn’t agro back.
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And that was an ok response was it. Oh thats right, I forgot, it is only to violence against women that australia says no to.
I would love to know how the law would treat me were I to hit every woman that has pinched my arse.
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How dare you try to construe my very reasonable and healthy self-defense as violence against men! When its an empty street and someone is walking so close behind me they could tread on my heels, and when they are saying suggestive things and pinching my arse, you bet I am justified giving them a shove out of my personal space! Did you even get my point anyway? Your comment just made me feel like you didn’t hear where I’m coming from and just don’t get it AT ALL.
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I get it LK. That’s not a cheeky pinch on the ass, that’s someone stronger than you purposefully threatening you by walking closely behind you then sexually touching you.. in that context it’s not just a pinch on the ass, it’s menacing. That guy could have easily turned out to be someone intent on hurting you, nobody with good intentions behaves in that way.
If a man who was bigger and stronger than anonymous did that to him, then maybe he would get it..
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I remember being told that if something that YOU (me, a male) do, offends any woman….then it’s sexual harassment.
Later that day as I ate my boiled egg and mayo sandwich for lunch a female colleague went into great detail about how sickened she felt because of my odoriferous sandwich.
If you get whistled at….flick the whistler the bird. It will put him in his place.
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No, it won’t. Because so often it is a man in a car with his mates and they scream at you going past and if you even get time to flick a v-sign (or whatever’s your poison), they all just laugh and congratulate each other. “Well done, mate! You made that woman jump in fright, and then you made her angry too! And we’re speeding off in this car, so she gets no other opportunity to state how she feels about it to us, except on articles on the internet where her thoughts and feelings will be readily dismissed.”
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Well that’s all well and good but what if there is a group of men twice your size in that car. 99% of the time they’ll just drive on but just like road rage you never quite know what you’re getting into when you retaliate.
A friend of mine once yelled something back to a car passing her and the car stopped and a guy got out and started chasing her.
Sometimes men in big groups sometimes seem to like intimidating and harassing women for fun.
Whoever told you that about sexual harassment is obviously and idiot. Sexual harassment is when someone harasses you in a sexual way, because of your gender. Anyone male or female can tell you your sandwich stinks. I doubt it’s because the sandwich’s gender.
Bradley every single woman I know has been intimidated/threatened on more than one occasion by men mostly in large groups with the whole wolf whistle/yelling out comments. Walking past at the shops.. in pubs/clubs.. walking down the road.. Very very few men I know have to deal with the same kind of shit from women.
This isn’t a made up issue that can just be dealt with by flipping someone the bird. Doing that is risky. It will often make them just laugh some more at you. It’s useless. The attitudes of the people doing it is the problem, not how offended the person on the receiving end is. I’m not suggesting we meekly accept it when someone yells something rude at us, but you should understand that a mouthy reply when you’re alone and outnumbered may seem noble, but I don’t know of many women who would feel safe stopping to ‘put him in his place’.
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A good one off wolf-whistle makes me feel sexy. That might not be a good thing, but it’s true.
However, I do hate walking past the construction site and having several workers stop and leer. It’s awkward and does feel demeaning.
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Don’t know if you guys know about this, but there is this photography project called Project Unbreakable where victims or rape and sexual assault can send in a photograph of themselves holding up a sign that displays the last/first words their attacker said to them. It is a way of liberating them from the shackles of those words and getting their story out there.
There is also quite a few submissions from males as well.
http://projectunbreakable.tumblr.com/
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Thank you for this link.
The photos were heartbreaking and I couldn’t look away.
I need to go and have a cup of tea now and see if I can pull myself together.
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I hate being wolf-whistled at. I don’t see it as a compliment, I see it as a sign that all these males see is my body and what they can do to it. I don’t need to feel like I need to defend my right to be treated as a whole person, with a personality and a brain not just a sex object, while I’m waiting for the bus. It’s just another example that females are judged based on their appearance only.
I’ve had the local postman whistle at me, cars honk, boys hang out the window yelling stuff and I have had cars slow down to get a closer look and none of these incidents made me feel attractive, empowered, sexually liberated or respected. And it never seems to be based on what you’re wearing or whether they actually find you attractive, you really only seem to need a vagina.
Just like we condemn women for judging women on their appearance, I see this as just another way men feel they can judge us openly to our faces. If I wanted someone’s opinion on how I look I would bloody ask someone.
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RE Twitter: Were there lots of posts and could male victims post too? I wondered if the number of posts by women vs men would go some of the way of dampening the arguments that there’s an unknown hoard of men who suffer female-perpetrated violence. If it were the case then this hashtag would be the perfect chance to have their voices counted.
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A wolf whistle, if that’s all that happens, is a far far cry from sexual harassment.
Some of the other comments men can yell out are just plain rude and nothing to do with an appreciative wolf whistle.
And don’t worry Tabby..there’ll come a day in the not too distance future when men won’t even notice you..let alone wolf whistle.
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Really? I thought I was back in the ’60′s when I read this comment. A woman has the right to walk around the city without being commented on and whistled at. Tabby’s value as a person is not based on whether or not men notice her ..let alone wolf whistle. Shame on you!
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Yeeeah. Because once we’re older we’re useless, worthless, invisible. We don’t even get harassed by dickheads on the street anymore.
Our only function in life is to look pretty so we can satisfy and entertain the menfolk, then after that window between 18 and 35 is over and we’re no longer fertile or desirable or sexy enough to arouse a man on the street back to the kitchen we go. Show’s over.
Far out.
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Best comment here, Anonymous
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I’m not offended when I get whistled at by men if i walk past a construction site. I don’t know why you would.
I work in the construction industry for a multinational construction company and I deal with construction workers/labours every day. Yes, there are some sexist jerks in the industry, but most of them are lovely guys. I don’t think it’s meant to cause offence when they wolf whistle at women. I also think comparing wholf whislting to rape is a bit of a stretch don’t you think?
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“I don’t think it’s meant to cause offence when they wolf whistle at women”
Whether it’s meant to or not – the point is that it *does* cause offence.
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…to you. That is the whole point. Many women dont mind, many others like it. Surely it isnt the end of the world if a bloke pays a compliment in this way. God, no wonder blokes are confused about what women want. who would have thought that women spend so much time and money on vanity, the latest tight fitting gym gear to walk the dog etc, and didnt want to be noticed. Go figure.
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I think they want to be noticed by other women.
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“who would have thought that women spend so much time and money on vanity, the latest tight fitting gym gear to walk the dog etc, and didnt want to be noticed.”
What makes you think they want to be noticed by *you* – and not their partner? What makes you think that wearing *her school uniform* means a 13-year-old girl is making ‘come and get it’ signals?
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Lulu….read my comment about eating the egg and mayo sandwich.
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If a man wants to let me know how good he thinks I look, he can get out of the damn car and tell me to my face instead of hanging out of a moving vehicle slobbering like a dog. This is the thing, men don’t mean it as a compliment, it’s a power play where they get to turn you into a sex object while you’re getting some milk/walking the dog/waiting for the bus.
Women spend money on ‘vanity’ to make themselves feel good not to satisfy the fantasy of every passing male.
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Many women, myself included, don’t feel complimented by being wolf-whistled at. Personallly, it makes me feel threatened and vulnerable, particularly if I am on my own (whether or not that was the intention of the whistler/s).
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Where are all these men that wolf-whistle? I for one have never been wolf-whistled or honked at (perhaps I’m not considered an attractive girl?) and have never seen it happen to anyone else – stranger, friend or acquaintance. And I do get around!
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Maybe it’s area specific?
I don’t consider myself overly attractive, yes I’m blond and tall but usually walk the streets with my dog in my saggy dog-walking outfit and often towing a pram or toddler on a bike. Yet I can’t get onto the main road without being whistled at a number of times.
I do get offended, not because of the sexual undertones of the whistle, but because it scares the cr*p out of me when on a busy road trying to keep everyone safe and a piercing whistle comes from behind – oh and the fact that I’m feeling my daggiest and like the whistle isn’t warranted
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I see it all the time. I used to get it in my 20s. I still get comments but they’re more respectful now. YES, it IS street harassment. How silly to say it’s a compliment. Only if you like being objectified it is! Attitudes of women who appreciate such treatment perpetuate the harassment of others. An “appreciative” wolf-whistle is the thin edge of the wedge and it DOES matter how it’s received. For the large minority of women who’ve experienced sexual harassment, assault and/or abuse, it’s just a little reminder of the culture and values that put them in danger of gender-based violence.
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Hi, Ronnie – it has happened to me in Perth, Western Australia and in Launceston, Tasmania; in Toronto, Ontario and Cardiff, Wales. If you really want it, make sure you walk along roads, rather than through parks. It tapers off when you’re not around motorists as much.
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Is there a Perth in Western Australia as well as in Scotland. Who knew.
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I think when I was about 13 I thought it was flattering to get a honk or a wolf whistle from a car. Then over time I realised that it wasn’t just attractive women getting honked – it was (I say this to make a point, not to be offensive) fat women, ugly women, old women, young girls – just anyone that didn’t have a penis.
It’s not a complement. It doesn’t correlate with appreciation, respect or flattery. Once you take out the hope that it’s complementary, it’s just some arsehole reminding you that you’re a woman and therefore not safe from scruitiny, judgement, imposition or worse – violence. Blergh.
Men, please don’t wolf whistle. If you want to pay a woman a compliment, do it like a man, not an animal.
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Absolutely. It’s not about appearance. It’s a way of policing women in public space.
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Lol, for gods sake. Policing, are you for real.
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Yes, policing. Read some Foucault and grow up.
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Completely agree, Alice. It began when I was thirteen and initially I thought, “I am a woman!” and then shortly after I thought, “And I would like to be able to walk home from school without my thoughts being interrupted regularly by someone whizzing by in their cowardmobile and shouting at me, safe from my response.”
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Alice and Fi, it’s safe to say that I’m not going to go away and read Foucault. Wld you mind fleshing out the policing concept a little?
Seems a strange verb in this context.
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I take it that is another old school theoretical feminist with no grasp of the real world.
Just because you did feminist studies 101 does not make you all grown up. Living life does. Come back to me when you have lived a bit more in the real world.
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We can’t – you’re not brave enough to identify yourself.
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“another old school theoretical feminist”
Foucault? ROFL.
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I bow before your quasi academic textbook view of a simple real world issue. Good for you.
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No, you should be bowing before my knowledge of how to use Google & a keyboard.
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Can everyone chill out and stop having a go at Fi for suggesting anon read Foucault? She wasn’t suggesting that only people who can cite philosophers can dare to have an opinion, she was given anon a reference for the term policing in the context it was used.
If you already know what policing refers to in the context of this debate then don’t do any extra reading. If you don’t, do some reading so you can work out if you agree with previous anon’s comment or not. Simple and unproblematic!
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Stop having go at poor Fi you say. I hardly think telling someone to ‘grow up’ is conducive to polite conversation.
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I told you to grow up because you’re acting like a child. It may not be polite, but I hardly think your behaviour on this article has been either. I gave you the background to the word because you were making fun of someone for using it. But I’m the immature one, right.
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It wasn’t just your first comment to Fi, it was the dismissive and rude comment about Feminism 101 afterwards. If you did a little feminism 101 maybe you’d be able to contribute to the discussion more constructively, rather than being reactionary and just getting pissed off that someone’s used a term you haven’t grasped, as though demonstrating education (self-education or otherwise) makes them a wanker.
I’m not interested in having a go at you personally, but I find comments like yours and “I”‘s above really unhelpful and basically akin to trolling. Disagree, by all means, but have a constructive and articulated argument as to why.
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When I was a teenager and young woman my generation just accepted a climate of low level harrassment. We pretty much expected leers, whistles and the odd sleazy comment. It rarely bothered us.
It bothers me now that my daughter is 13! She’s slim, a bit curvy and has long, blonde hair. Oldish guys openly stare and some even whistle or make comments.
Last year one man even said to his mate “I wish the girls had looked like that when I was young”. To which my reponse was “she is 12 years old do you really think it’s OK to make that comment?”. He blushed and apologised.
We women need to call this out as inappropriate.
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I remember getting comments from adult men from 5 years old. It peaked in my 20s and is starting to subside. Contrary to what some “clever” posters have said, I’m GLAD!! Leave me alone already! Leave US alone.
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No matter what your view is on wolf whistles or catcalls let’s not forget that this is a great story about social media such as Twitter giving women a platform to tell the world things that they were too scared to tell their friends, family or the police.
The writer has been brave enough to describe her experience saying that she feels increasingly embarrassed when walking around her city due to some of the attention she receives from strangers. However, she also mentions that some of her friends find it flattering.
I can’t speak for men but I think that the writer has described fairly accurately the way that myself and a lot of other women feel about catcalls. Most women I speak to say that they either feel embarrassed or flattered by the attention.
The writer also says catcalls, sexist comments, public masturbation, groping and assault make public places unfriendly, frightening and dangerous for many girls, women, and LGBT people.
I’m surprised at how quickly this post turned into a debate about catcalls and how quick some people have been to dismiss the writer’s feelings. Is there a right or wrong way to feel? I would argue that there isn’t because every situation is so different. In some situations a catcall may be a signal for a woman to be on alert, to be prepared to defend herself or to seek safety. I would strongly encourage all women to continue to trust their intuition and feelings.
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I’ll be moving home soon, taking my family (including my two daughters) into central Sydney. I really worry about the culture we’re moving into and what they will be exposed to. Obviously plenty of it good, but some (like the author described) really bad.
I still remember getting off the train at a Sydney station as a fourteen year old, in my perfectly modest school uniform, just on dusk and on an otherwise deserted platform, and getting aggressively heckled by a grown man asking if I liked it in the *rse. I’m glad to say I didn’t react on the outside, but I was terrified inside.
http://the-accidental-housewife.blogspot.com.au/
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I’ve lived in inner city Sydney for 7 years now and never felt threatened once in that time. I’m sure you’ll be fine.
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I have also lived in inner west for 14 years and feel fine. Lots of people around at all times of night and day. I think that makes it a little safer.
And walk with purpose.
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Simple car horn or whistle accompanied by nothing else I have no real problem with. They mean to pay a compliment, albeit in a sleazy way. I suspect they wouldn’t be ‘my kind of guy’ if I stopped to talk to them, and so wouldn’t, but to each their own. I’m sure there are a couple of relationships started where a girl was whistled at, also liked what she saw and went over for a chat.
If it is in addition to heckling, then there’s a problem because no-one yells, ‘oy love, walk a bit slower so we can see it better!’ as a real compliment.
As pointed out already, many women find a honk or whistle flattering; so you can’t totally blame men for thinking they are paying a compliment. It’s pretty hard when what you do changes from ‘compliment’ to ‘offensive’ depending on the recipient’s subjective interpretation.
To me, this is totally different to sexual harassment and assault. Attempted compliment versus intentional assault? They seem pretty different to me. Heckling is a different story.
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You have articulated my sentiments exactly! I consider myself a strong and confident female who works in an extremely male dominated industry. I am not intimidated by men, and nor do I feel the need to lambast everything they do as ‘harrassment’ or ‘sexism’. Seems like we are starting to hang the male species for everything at the moment. A honk or whistle as a compliment? Whats so wrong with that? Please note Im not talking about lewd comments or to the underaged – but to a woman who appeals to the visual aspect of a bloke, ever think it’s just the blokes way of saying you look nice today??
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Shannon, it’s always a pleasure to read your sensible and reasoned comments. Good job.
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“On International Women’s Day, one ‘lad’ I follow on Twitter tweeted the following: “Have a good one girls, because the other 364 days belong to us #IWD.”
Needless to say, this ‘joke’ did not feel very funny. However, in the wake of my anger, I realised that it wasn’t his ignorance that offended me so greatly, but the fact that he was, largely, right.”
That just seems like you were looking for something to get offended by. It’s a pretty accurate summation from someone who knows what they’re looking at, to my eyes.
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True! This male actually seems a bit more cluey than others. Heaps of my male friends were like, ‘Why don’t we have International Men’s Day? It’s not fair.’ It’s because every other day of the year is men’s day!
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There is an International Men’s Day. It’s in November.
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Maybe she knows the guy and knows that he’s not being insightful, just a dick.
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If that’s the case, she should explain that then. Not just put stuff in inverted commas to problematise it and sound like a wanker in the process.
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That’s not the way I read it
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I like Caitlin Moran’s theory – the broken window theory. If you put up with the little shit like wolf whistles and the ‘nice tits’ comment and then occasionally grope at the pub, then you’re more likely to encounter more serious and nasty things. There needs to be a line.
Anyone who things sexism isn’t alive and well is kidding themselves. The statistics speak for themselves. It’s not in our heads.
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I cannot believe that this article even attempts to throw a wolf whistle and any form of actual sexual harassment in the same basket…please!That’s just ridiculous,coming from a grown up woman.
If it’s a school girl getting whistled at by grown men,it would be a whole different story though…
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It starts at schoolgirl age.
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It starts as soon as you get boobs. 12 for me.
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Letting someone you know you think they are attractive is okay. IF DONE WITHIN A TWO-WAY conversation.
A whistle/horn/yell to let me know I’m attractive without any dialogue or other interaction is unsolicited and intruding on my personal space and removes my human right to choose NOT to have any interaction with this person.
Would you not feel affronted if someone walked by and made barfing/pig noises because they thought you were unattractive? But somehow it’s okay for them to behave rudely and disrespectfully because you like what they are saying?
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I wasnt going to reply initially, but couldn’t resist.
Would you prefer that someone driving by who sees you walking and thinks you’re cute stops his car in front of you to tell you? Would that be an intrusion in your personal space? I know it would certainly remove your human right not to interact with them.
We have lots of unsolicited interactions with others, every day. Door to door salesman, charity collectors, telemarketers. We don’t live in isolation, particularly not in the cities and suburbs.
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Door salesman, charity collectors etc approach you unsolicited but (usually) politely and with the chance of opening a dialogue giving you the opportunity to say yes or no.
Personally, having things yelled at me or being whistled at seems disrespectful and in my experience, is not done with the thought of opening up a dialogue with another human being. To me, this is an assertion of someone’s power? ego? existence? over another human being (“I am soooo important, you must acknowledge my existence and my opinions but I don’t expect/want any meaningful interaction with you”)
If someone stopped their car and said “Excuse me?” I could choose to stop and listen to what they have to say or keep walking. If someone stopped the car in front of me and started yelling/whistling at me I’d hightail it and call the cops …
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I respect your right to this opinion, but I disagree. I think you’re reading too much in to it (the assertion of power/ego/existence).
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I personally have been whistled at, car horns beeped at me, things yelled out of car windows, including once when I was with my mother, it made me feel edgy, concerned, a little scared when I’m entirely alone and not at all complimented.
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“We don’t live in isolation, particularly not in the cities and suburbs.”
So we just need to accept other people’s shit?
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No, we don’t, but we are going to have all sorts of interactions with different people, asked and unasked for, pleasant and unpleasant. I think it’s unrealistic to expect that you will be able to walk out of your house and left alone all the time, in the metropolitan areas particularly.
Wolf whistles, I think, are a grey area. Who can say whether they’re right or wrong? I certainly can’t. People can dislike any number of things/think they’re wrong. Vaccination for an example. I do think when people assume what someone intends with a wolf whistle, then they’re over thinking it.
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We’re getting back into that don’t do anything that might maybe cause offence to someone at some time thing again with this post, I think. Something is always going to offend someone.
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Brilliant article. I feel such anger and pain at the high rates of sexual assault and harassment experienced by women. I myself have experienced rape and it was incredibly horrific and all the more for the reaction I got from others close to me which was so unsupportive. Great article
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Why do people on here increasingly feel the need to tell someone their opinion is not “right” If someone finds a wolf whistle offensive then so be it, someone else may find it flattering. I am in the first category and that is MY feeling. Women do it to men too yes but, in my experience it is predominately the other way round. In my younger days when out I was often grabbed walking through pubs/clubs (still happens on the odd occasion I go out) Why does ANYONE OF EITHER gender think it’s ok to grab someone passing by?!
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There are a few women in my office who are definitely guilty of sexual harassment. Any younger handsome guy who comes to our department ends up quitting within weeks, because these women just won’t let up.
Can we please stop pretending that only men can be sexually innapropriate. When it comes to things like wolf whistles, unwanted attention and comments etc., women can be just as bad, if not worse (I’ve never had a guy walk up to me in a club, stick his hands down my pants and grab my crotch, but this has happened to my boyfriend a dozen times.)
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have you never, seriously. Lucky you then. It not only your bf it happens to.
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Who said only men can be sexually inappropriate, Anonymous?
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Lol, funny. No, there is gender angle in this article at all. Cough.
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Of course there is a gender angle in this article. If the number of men who experience sexual assault was equal to the number of women who experience sexual assault , maybe there wouldn’t need to be. Ditto, if the number of women perpetrating sexual assault were equal to the number of men perpetrating it, maybe there wouldn’t need to be a gender angle.
Yes, men can be abused too. Yes, women can abuse too. But the gender division between perpetrator and victim is extreme and undeniable. Violence is not just bad when it’s by men against women – I love the men in my life and would do anything to protect them. But sexual violence, statistically, is a gendered issue – made so by statistics and reality.
Being offended that this article has a gendered angle just shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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Is there any possibility the argument that wolf whistling and sexual street harassment is fine and normal has been internalised by these women and manifests as them treating people of the sex they’re attracted to in the same way?
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I don’t like whistles and car honks. I get them all the time. I know the guy doing them thinks he’s just paying me a compliment but I think if a guy honestly had respect for a girl, he wouldn’t do it. If you like the look of me come and talk to me. I’ve had blokes start up conversations in the most random of places – Even if I’m not interested I’ll give them the time of day because they’ve good enough to make the effort. If you’ve just seen me from a distance and just want to make noises at me I couldn’t give a sh*t what you think of my appearance.
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I will add to that and say that I’m not just being a mole – I find it intimidating when whistled and honked at. The car honks honestly give me a real start when I’m trying to walk my dogs in peace, walk to the bus stop in peace, go about my day to day life without some random person feeling the need to intrude on me. and when there is a car full of guys i am genuinely fearful of my safety because it feels particularly predatory.
I know there will be plenty of ppl who disagree with me but I think it’s important for ppl to be aware that it can make ppl feel this way.
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Predatory, yes.
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It is intimidating, it can shake you up for a long time after, I totally agree. It freaks me out, especially because I always get really aware that I’m very small/not particularly strong. Ugh
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Completely agree, Kate. I really enjoy including walking/cycling into my daily commute, but every time a honk or a scream at me gives me a genuine scare, because it breaks me out of my reverie and it interrupts my thought. My heart pounds, I look around for what the sudden loud noise was — oh, it was a bunch of guys grinning at each other in a car. Oh, well done, gents, you *got me*. You gave that walking woman a good scare. Not a compliment, not an encouragement – you *scared me*.
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THIS. THIS is why I get the shits when people (mostly men) say to me (mid one of my feminist rants) that there’s “no need for feminism in this day and age”. um, hello? yes, there might be less pressing/urgent issues to do with feminism in developed countries than in developing countries.
BUT there are still issues – if you feel uncomfortable/unsafe walking down the street (there have been times when I’ve swapped sides of the road to avoid walking past large groups of guys to avoid the harassment)
If you are sexually harassed whilst using public transport but are unable to do anything about it, it’s desperately unempowering. I’ve been groped by a guy walking past at the station, and couldn’t do a thing about it – no transit officers nearby, it was 10 on a Friday morning, and I just had to put up with it – had no idea who the feck the guy was, no way of reporting it or finding him to report it….same with another night, coming home from a barbecue at a friend’s place – I got masturbated at by some random guy on the train who sat down opposite me. Again, no transit officers, no one who could do anything about it, and I’d never be able to identify the guy to report him!
Oh no, but there’s no need for feminism or teaching respect of women in our society in this day and age….bullpoo
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Please report it to the police. They have CCTV and the offender may be known, plus it’ll stop it happening to other women. I too witnessed a man masturbating on trams and reported him. It’s easy and now there are cops patrolling the network looking for him
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I’ve had men wolf-whistle and honk at me when walking down the street – when I’m in my school uniform, on my way to school. That started in about Year 8 or 9. Not cool!
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Yeah, I’ve had that happen when I was still in school, standing with my dad….wtf?!
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Soyabean, are you sure that this stuff was sexual in nature?
I mean, I don’t want to be the one that has to break this to you, but a texta-ed on moustache and goatee are bound to draw attention.
Just something to consider….
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Hmmm, quite true. I should have realised they would be yelling at me, Keira Knightley with drawn-on facial hair.
But, seriously? I’ll stop and ponder whether ‘Come and suck my dick, bitch’ is sexual in nature if I’m ever lucky to have that yelled at me again.
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I kind of worked out that was Kiera, my comment was tongue in cheek.
Yeah, that’s pretty intimidating stuff. I think that the wolf whistle and even that more unsavoury sort of stuff is a desperate grab for attention by these men.
Their low self-esteem informs them that a woman that looks like the one that they’re harassing will never give them any time, so they whistle or say something lewd in the hope of a split second of that woman’s attention.
Pathetic stuff, barely evolved from hitting the girl in class that you have a crush on with a spitball.
It is these men’s complete lack of control over women, or lack of a relationship and ongoing inability to form relationships with women that drives this attention-seeking. The P-plated teenaged ones in cars never have girls in the car and I’ll bet, in their life.
I think the building site guys kind of peer pressure each other into the tradition.
The attention seeking comes from an uncertainty about women.
I’m not saying that this should make you like this behaviour or that you have to accept it, but I’m not so sure that it’s coming from a ‘I wanna rape women’ place.
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I agree with the people who say a whistle or a car horn isnt a bad thing. Theres no way in my mind I could reconcile those two actions with harrassment or rape, etc. Come on, now……
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I may be swimming against the tide, but I never used to mind a whistle or car horn. In general, it’s done in a light hearted, appreciative way. It was that same mindset that saw mostly men pull up within 5 minutes of me ever being stranded/stuck on the side of the road.
Notice I’ve been using the past tense? I don’t get that anymore. I don’t particularly miss it, but I’ve noticed it.
There is also a world of difference between a whistle and offensive comments being spoken/yelled out at you in public. One of the big differences would be intent. I’m not a man, but I imagine one is letting someone know you think they’re attractive. The other…..who knows.
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I find sleaze distasteful either way – one that springs to mind on here was when there were the stories about Yumi and George’s comments on The Circle. So many commenters wrote stuff like “Oh Yum” or other stuff about how hot he is. I put that in the same boat as honking a car horn or yelling out “Nice tits!”. It was yucky.
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