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This is the discussion we’re having around the Mamamia table today as feminist Eva Cox has declared women need to ‘grow up’ and reclaim the word slut.

ABConline reports:

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Ms Cox says the word “slut” has grabbed the public’s attention.

“I think it’s raised a much more general issue which resonates with a lot of people in a way that Reclaim the Night doesn’t,” she said.

“We’ve just got to accept the fact that different words get through to different people.”

Ms Cox says women around the world are either penalised for wearing too little clothing or in the case of Muslim women wearing too much.

…..In one corner of the protest was Stonou, decked out in thick tights, a miniskirt and a hijab.

“I think the headscarf, you know, is viewed as an oppressed symbol a lot in the Western world. And so I just kind of wanted to prove that no, we are not oppressed,” she said. “We are you know just as slutty as the rest of them. I think it’s all just freedom of choice and I’m all for that.”

Not everyone at the march was comfortable with the term slut.

“I’m conflicted. I haven’t got a solid opinion about whether the word slut can be reclaimed in a positive way,” said Shar.

“Other words that have been reclaimed such as queer and nigger, they’re something that people are, that they’re born that way. But I think that slut is fundamentally a word that is thrown at people.”

Eva Cox, however, has no doubt. “Grow up. I mean I’m sorry, it’s just a word. We need to reclaim it. It makes a lot of sense to a lot of people,” she said.

Reclaiming a word (in case you were wondering) is taking it back from those who use it against you and using it yourself. And by doing so, changing it from a term of abuse to a more positive, less emotionally-charged word.

People do this already, privately. You may be one of them. Some Jewish people tell Jewish jokes. Some black people say they word ‘nigger’. Blondes can tell blonde jokes. There’s a famous lesbian motorcycle club called Dykes on Bikes. Gay people may say ‘poof’ and ‘faggot’. That’s reclaiming.

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Mamamia news ed Rick, who is gay, insists he is reclaiming the word faggot. “There are two words that are like gun-shots to me,” he explained. “Poof and faggot. I can’t change the fact that people use them so I’ve decided to reclaim them and use them in a positive way. I’m not offended if people use them flippantly and if I KNOW the person using it – they don’t have to be gay but they do have to be using it in a non-derogatory way. For example my friends once made me a birthday cake that said “Happy Birthday Fag”.

My mother shares the reclaiming philosophy. She doesn’t mind the use of the word cunt so long as it’s in a positive way. I’m not even joking. She said that it shouldn’t be used as a term of abuse, more like a term of endearment. Like, “Hello, you old cunt! How are you?”

This is yet to catch on but I like her thinking.

So, we’re wondering (and debating it at the table fiercely along with fidelity and male facial hair today – the long weekend has made us FEISTY): can you reclaim a word and subvert its meaning?

Is it OK to use a word considered pejorative like faggot or Jew or slut or dyke so long as you’re using it in a positive way? Or does using it simply normalise it and perhaps make it harder for people to understand that it can be offensive in a different context or said by a different person?

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  1. laura krueger

    the meaning of the word IS changing. young girls prefer to be called a slut rather than a bitch. is this better? I don’t know. when I was at highschool, if they started calling you a slut, you could forget it. not one boy would ask you to go out. this has changed, I think. I even found a brand of t-shirts using the word slut, and not in the negative way: http://slutshirt.spreadshirt.com/ is it better? I don’t know. but it IS changing.

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  2. louiseaged15

    I think it really depends on the context offensive words are used in.
    And I’m not 100% if it works the same between boys and girls.
    For example the phrase ‘ranga’ can be used as a term of endearment or in an offensive manner. There is a kid I see at school who is often called a ranga loudly by his friends. It isn’t really meant to be nasty but it still seems to remind everyone that the kid is a ranga and can be continually insulted.
    The same seems to go with a kid who is insulted for being English, they joke around calling him a pom but they’ll still use it in a really offensive manner if he annoys them. Reclaiming phrases and using them nastily seems to have an incredibly fine line between them.

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  3. eternally

    Can’t we all just speak nicely to each other?

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  4. Daisy

    I used the word cunt the other day when an ex boyfriend and ex best friend wanted to be served a sausage by me at the local soccer bbq. I was totally mortified after it but hey now you guys have just made me feel proud! ha cunts

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  5. camillapeffer

    I LOVE THE WORD CUNT! It is such an amazing word, and it really makes me want to scream it at the top of my lungs when people tell me they are repulsed by it. Think about it – why on earth would another term for female genitalia be a derogatory term? Vaginas are awesome! However, the word vagina is also used as an insult, as in ‘that guy is such a vagina’, usually implying weakness. But why? Vaginas are super strong muscles used for pushing out humans! They are phenomenal! VAGINA! CUNT! YIPEE!

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    • fender4eva

      camillapeffer, how very liberated. Congratulations……

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    • Mary Christmas

      Nicely said. I also love the word cunt. Don’t get to say it much now I have kids. I felt gleeful writing it in my post below.

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  6. fender4eva

    Mia, I know you like to push the boundaries etc., but this post is sailing perilously close to the wind, in terms of good taste. And that’s coming from someone, who usually doesn’t give a fuck…….

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    • camillapeffer

      How so? I think it’s really important to get to the root of semantics and discuss who/what attitude makes a term an insult.

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  7. Mary Christmas

    G’day Cunts,
    I’m a massive believer in reclaiming words that relate to me as a female. Slut, bitch, cunt, mole etc. Even though I feel a frisson of discomfort when I hear them. But the more these words are used in common language, the less power they have when used in a derogatory way. Back in the day, it was super offensive to tell someone to ‘get stuffed’, but these days ‘get stuffed’ is chickenfeed in the world of insults.
    However, it’s important to be respectful of other people’s (is that the right use of the apostrophe there?) sensibilities and standards. And children. Probably best until they grow up and make their own decisions about the words they want to reclaim…

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  8. Michelle15

    Do all women need to take back the word ‘slut’? There are lots of women for whom this word has no relevance in their daily lives. I think the way that women are judged and labeled according to the way they may dress or act is wrong but reclaiming the word slut isn’t all of a sudden going to change people’s small mindedness.

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  9. Happymum

    Sorry, but I hate the word “slut”. I also hate the word “cunt”. Really, really detest the words. When I hear someone say them I instantly think that the person saying them goes down a few notches in the classy department.

    I have heard a young girl call another of her mates penis – as in “Your such a penis”. Straightaway I thought yuck even though it was a term of endearment.

    I don’t really care what context it is in, it grates on me that these derogatory terms are being incorporated into mainstream culture. Really, reclaiming a word isn’t going to lessen it’s power. It just gives people permission to say gross things.

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    • Savannah

      Totally agree with you Happymum! I HATE those two words too & never want to use them or “reclaim” them! They should be deleted & put in the rubbish bin!

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    • camillapeffer

      But cunt just means vagina – and vaginas are awesome!

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  10. Simone

    What about the word ‘wog’? Once upon a time that was considered a huge insult but the wogs have reclaimed it and now it’s almost a term of endearment. I think you can reclaim words and re-position or reduce the stigma surrounding them.
    And for those that hate the word ‘cunt’ because it’s a negative connotation on a female body part… last time I checked ‘dick head’ wasn’t exactly a compliment!

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    • Kris2040

      I use wog all the time. I grew up in a really multicultural area, and no-one I grew up with would have a problem with it either – they use it themselves, and did back in the day (we were at school for the rise of Wogs out Of Work etc). It freaks me out when people kick up a stink about my using it – it definitely isn’t a sledge, and if I WERE trying to insult someone, I’d be a lot more creative.

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  11. sedryk

    I think it’s hilarious that Ricks Mum thinks that “cunt” is a term of endearment, such as “Hello you old cunt, how are you?”. I have never liked, in fact hate that word, but i may change my opinion now, maybe i have been taking things too seriously… though i doubt I’ll use it, but take it with humour in the future! Rick, your Mum sounds very cool & open minded!

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  12. Savannah

    It’s just like in Harry Potter when no-one wants to say Lord Voldemort’s name, thereby giving it more power!

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  13. Bec

    The funny thing for me is that most of the uses of “slut” that I’ve encountered don’t actually relate at all to the sexual promiscuity of a person.
    I’ve been called a “fucking slut” by a drunk guy and his friends when I refused his advances in a bar. I’ve seen a friend get called a slut when she stopped a very drunk friend going home with a strange guy. It’s not just guys – I went to an all girls school, where the word slut was applied liberally during fights or bullying.
    The only common denominator in these situations is “you are female and you are doing something I don’t like”. I like to think that they were all just struggling with their vocabulary.

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    • Kris2040

      Oh yeah, “slut” is just the lamest sledge. Really, if you can’t do better than that, I’m glad I’m not wasting my time on you, buddy!

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  14. Mrs R

    Different words are offensive to different people. My ex would call me all the names under the sun, but the only one that would upset me would be being called fat!!
    My point, reclaim one word and another will take it’s place.

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  15. Anonymous

    Welcome one and all to Ricks forum, where he deletes posts just because he disagrees with the sentiment. Welcome to the world of free speech, Mamamia style.

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    • Lana

      Rick is not deleting your posts but I am and I will continue to do so as long as you do not abide by the comment rules. You can have your say by all means but if you cannot say it without being abusive or rude your comments will not be displayed

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    • Rick Morton

      Deleting’s not my style anon! Although I would prefer to have a cogent argument…

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      • Nat

        And at least Rick and Lana have the courage to put their name against their comments…!

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  16. @TaraCate

    I understand the concept of reclaiming words and changing their meaning over time but im still not 100% comfortable with it. My close friends and I throw the word slut around with one another in an affectionate way, but we can be equally brutal in using it against other girls. In the same way, although nigger seems to have been well reclaimed in some circles, even those who have reclaimed it may feel the cruelty of it if it was spat at them in a derogatory way.

    I’ve always been fascinated by linguistics but ultimately I think that so much communication is non verbal that if someone has ill feelings and hurtful sentiments to throw your way they’ll manage to convey it – reclaimed word or not. Thoughts?

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    • Savannah

      Blacks think it’s ok for them to say “nigger” to each other but Whites can’t use that word at all!

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      • Food-For-Thought

        The reason why it’s perfectly acceptable for certain minority groups to use certain words while members of the majority may not (race, class, gender) deals specifically with power dynamics. A black person and another black person can use the term “nigga” to one another without fear of the term being lost in translation, so to say, because they are on an even tier in terms of power. It’s never had the historical significance that the word “nigger” has had with whites. A white person is not in the same category and cannot properly understand the power dynamics of them being in a position of privilege/power OVER a black person.

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  17. Paula

    I have Bi-Polar and PTSD, I am quite happy to reclaim the words “crazy”, “mad”, “psycho” but not “insane” that word crosses the line. The stigmas attached are nasty like serial killers etc. the word “insane’ can never really be reclaimed.

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    • Anonymous

      Interesting Paula. My mum has schizophrenia and I have PTSD. I can handle insane – psycho bothers me a lot more. That said, I can’t really handle anyone other than me describing me as anything other than ‘having PTSD’ or ‘being unwell’. I do know an amazing woman who regularly reclaims every word under the sun to describe mental illness in her artistic work – she’s confronting but bloody brilliant :)

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  18. tatiannagenonidupre

    Geez, my mates and I always greet each other “sup slut’ or ‘hey bitch’ think i’d only be offended if i was one lol

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  19. Gemma

    i definitely think slut can be reclaimed.

    so many of the comments argue the line – “why would be want to reclaim it, it’s such an awful word, it means a woman has ‘loose morals’ and ‘sleeps around’”

    the underlying premise of this is that women’s sexuality should be policed, that there is a ‘right’ way to do sexuality. we need to accept that the way you express your sexuality has nothing to do with your worth as a person. we reclaim ‘slut’ by asserting that our sexuality is our own to navigate, that we should not be ashamed. slut shaming just allows society to narrow the choices that women have.

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  20. Mona

    Yes. I was part of a movement in my youth to reclaim the word Dyke, once a dirty word which was hated by many lesbians.

    There is no reason, apart from a culturally formed dislike of what the word means (sad, desperate, dirty, promiscuous), that the word can’t be transformed into a positive word. My friends and I have been affectionately calling ourselves ‘sluts’ for years and why not? We’re all sexually active, we all sleep around when we’re single, some of us have been in open relationships and most of us enjoy sex. Without the church, man-hating feminists and narrow-minded old men trying to oppress our sexuality, we would be happy little sluts.

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  21. ClaireC

    The word slut has never been a compliment, so how exactly are we reclaiming it? I think the intentions of the slutwalk were good, but they lost me when they confused the message by using the word slut.

    Names only bother you if you let them….sticks and stones….

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  22. Lil

    This is terrible. Why would we want to claim a word with such derogatory connotations? Like the n-word, I think it’s best we phase it out altogether. My step-father is an Aboriginal Australian and he thinks it’s shameful that people of Aboriginal heritage continue to think that the n-word can be used in a jokey or affectionate way. If we have fought so hard to get rid of such derogatory terms why on earth would we continue to perpetuate their use in any way? If we can ‘invent’ new words why not get rid of the ones we don’t like?

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    • Alex

      the point is to destroy the word as an offensive term, the strategy is simple even if you find it unpalatable, just look at the word atheist, a word that used to be spat with contempt, now it is a dull everyday word

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    • Anon

      Phasing out would be marvelous, if only the people who used the word derogatorily would cooperate. Reclaiming it takes some of the power away from the user, whether they like it or not. The whole point is to flip the derogatory connotation of a word on it’s head, after all

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  23. anon

    Yep, I think you can.

    We use the words ‘abo’ and ‘boong’ in our family in an affectionate way because we are aboriginal we feel we have the right to use them and non-derogatory way. I’m sure other indigenous people would disagree, so we onlys use it in private conversations.

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    • Savannah

      I have always used the word “abo” but never in a derogatory way. It’s just the abbreviated word for aborigine & Aussies love to shorten words & names!
      I never understood why it is regarded as offensive. Is it ok for me to use the word as a non-aboriginal? Or do you prefer we say Koorie?

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      • Anonymous

        I think that saying ‘abo’ is seen as offensive because people have used it in a dereogativer way in the past. eg. “dirty abo” or “abo b*stard”.

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  24. Monica

    I am not a slut. To call me one would be an insult. I NEVER have sex for free. Oh no. I expect something in return from anyone using my body, husbands included. If I have sex, I expect to fall pregant, get mega presents, have housework and chores done, get a car, even get money ….(and no, an orgasm doesn’t count – my vibrator is more accurate, faster and better!) I am a whore. Perhaps we need to reclaim the word WHORE. That doesn’t offend me in the slightest. I just hate the thought of being the type of woman who lets a man use my body for NOTHING OF VALUE in return. So, yes, slut is not a good word I want to reclaim.

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    • Anonymous

      Are you being sarcastic? I wonder because I really do feel the same way.

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  25. Megan

    Here’s the thing; a faggot, is a man who likes other men, a nigger is a black person, a ranga is a person with red hair. Nothing wrong with being any of these things. If someone was to use these word harshly or to insult someone, well I can see why there would be a need to “reclaim” these words, to show the world that there is no shame in being gay or black or red headded.

    But a slut is a woman with loose morals, a woman who sleeps around and dresses like a tramp. It is not something to aspire to or be proud of. It is not just who some people are, something they have no control over.

    The slut walk does not speak for me, I have no need to claim (especially not reclaim) a word that has nothing to do with me, a word that describes women who I have nothing in common with and whose life decisions I find questionable.

    Women should be able to wear what they like and no woman ever deserved to be raped, but I cannot disagree more with this campaign, which to me suggests we all have a little slut inside us, and we should be proud of it.

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    • Gemma

      ‘dresses like a tramp,’ ‘sleeps around’ – i think many people would think that there’s nothing wrong with these things either.

      but the point is that it shouldn’t matter what others think, we should have the choice to do whatever we want as long as we do not harm others and that can only be achieved if society stopped policing what women decide to do with their own bodies so much.

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  26. RB

    I’m not sure that reclaiming the word slut actually helps. The real issue is blaming victims of sexual assault for the behaviour of their attacker. We can jokingly refer to each other as sluts all we like but is that at all helpful when someone in the legal system, or the media tells you it was your fault that you were attacked because of what you were wearing? They can do that without even uttering the word slut. Has slutwalk or reclaiming the word slut actually helped with that?

    It’s like the word “nigger”. I know it’s been reclaimed to a degree by some groups within the African American community, but does that mean it has any less sting when a white supremicist uses it?

    So we can take back slut, and if woman feel empowered by going on slutwalk that is great and they should totally do that. I just wonder, does it go any way towards stopping people blaming the victims of sexual violence? That is what really concerns me. I hope it does in some way.

    Now, as far as the words “panties” and “titties” are concerned, they are just creepy and I would fully support a movement to get rid of them forever.

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  27. Free Human Being

    My wife articulated the slutwalk in a way that I couldn’t.

    If rapists are going to rape you regardless of what you wear, then your signs are pretty pointless, coz they’ll most likely ignore them too.

    If you want to make a point about victim blaming then you should also realize that sluts i.e sexually extra active women, are much more likely to get raped.

    So dressing like a slut wont get you raped, but being a slut will.

    I never thought the slutwalk would actually achieve anything other than to show how much time over privileged white middle classed women have on their hands and how an officer who would risk his life to protect your’s only had good intentions, but god knows you can not tell a certain section of society to make his job easier, though they’d be the first to call if they needed his protection.

    All in all, I don’t care if you dress like a slut, more power to you, but having more sex with more people increases your risk of sti/stds, so the stigma shall forever remain.

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    • Anonymous

      There are absolutely no stats or research that support that “sluts” (how on earth you’d even define a “slut” for the purposes of a statement like that is unclear. Any woman who has sex more than you think is appropriate I would imagine) are more likely to get raped. That is just rubbish.

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      • Free Human Being

        So, then anonymous, by your extended logic, people are not more likely to be raped by someone they are intimate with.

        Which is it?

        Sluts are not raped in alleys because of what they wear or they are not raped by intimate partners, which has an increased chance if the number of said partners increase.

        Please by all means pick one?

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        • Anonymous

          My argument is rape happens to women by strangers and by people they know, it happens to women who dress conservatively and those who don’t, it happens to young women, old women, it happens to children. It happens to “sluts” and it happens to virgins. You simply cannot say that being a slut will get you raped, therefore what?…you are safe as long as you are not a slut? If only…
          It has happened to a couple of different woman I am very close to and I know the circumstances and they were most definitely not “sluts”. Your simple logic did not apply in their cases. But the real problem with the flawed logic in your simple argument is that when people think that only “sluts” are raped, and they somehow “asked for it” people start blaming the victim instead of the attacker.

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          • Free Human Being

            Yes simple logic

            = There is nothing you can do to prevent rape

            = There is no way to prevent theft

            = There is no way to reduce risks

            By all means drive your middle class car into the ghetto tonight, because crime shouldn’t exist and it won’t be your fault.

            Although if you leave your keys in the car the insurance company wont pay out, because they believe in the concept of preventability.

            Live by your own logic – Take zero precautions and expect sympathy for your own ignorance.

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            • Anonymous

              You really can’t see the gaping holes in that argument at all can you? Sad…but I’ve spent enough time arguing.

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    • Gemma

      slutwalk has achieved a lot, it has got the conversation started.

      it allows comments like the above to surface so that people can see how deeply ingrained victim blaming is in society. sleeping with more people than the person judging you thinks is appropriate does not increase your chances of being raped. attitudes like the above do increase the chances that you don’t report it.

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      • Bec

        Completely agree with this comment. Since the Slutwalks have started it has amazed me how many people have expressed the view that sexually active women (applying an arbitrary view of how sexually active someone must be before they are a slut) are behaving “irresponsibly” and therefore at fault should they be sexually assaulted. I really didn’t realise how ingrained the view was in so many people.

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        • Free Human Being

          I have not once in 34 years heard a female say anything that was not negative about a man who is promiscuous.

          Never.

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          • Gemma

            this need to pit men against women, or society against ‘radical feminists’ is so trying. being derogatory about how a man or woman expresses their sexuality is damaging either way.

            however slutwalks highlight the fact that it is more prevalent towards women, and has become ingrained in the way we discuss sexual assault. but this does not detract from the fact that it happens to men and is damaging to them too.

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      • catgirl

        The people who think that it does, think that because females who have *lots* ( lots means different things to different people) of different sexual partners are more like to be in situations that perhaps are not safe. They may for example go to bars and clubs where they may have had too much to drink and they may make bad decisions as to who they leave with.

        There is nothing wrong with having casual sex with multiple sexual partners if that’s what you want to do, but if you are out at night at bars and going home with people you have just met, you are obviously in much more danger of getting raped than for example a married women who is at home with her husband and children watching T.V.

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        • Gemma

          i take what you’re saying, but this line of thinking is underscored by a much more insidious worldview. in no other area of crime does our focus on the victim and their actions receive so much attention.

          by shifting the conversation to ‘how a woman can prevent rape’ we implicitly say ‘a victim has done something to cause this’ and in the area of sexual assault where the rate of reporting is so incredibly low, this is just too a dangerous path to walk down.

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          • Free Human Being

            In no other crime do we not take into account the possibility that prevention is better than cure.

            But, like a certain section of society that overreact to even the slightest notion that safety and and conservatism are axiomatically linked with prevention as an affront.

            But being less conservative and ignoring safety concerns is somehow going to yield better results?

            What radical feminists want is for society to believe that preventative measures shouldn’t be afforded any respect, because crime shouldn’t happen.

            Of course no feminist will LIVE by such arbitrations.

            Go ahead and keep your doors unlocked at night, keep your keys in the car, leave your wallet lying around.

            Write your pin number on your forehead.

            Because crime shouldn’t happen, but it does and when someone suggests that prevention is a good it is not victim blaming.

            It is common sense that the rest of the world lives with when they lock the doors, hide their pin, take the keys with them yada yada.

            If rape victims are blamed, then please back it up and show me evidence of where this is happening outside of radical feminism telling us it is happening.

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            • Gemma

              victim blaming happens in almost all sexual assault cases, because the primary fact in issue turns on consent rather than whether intercourse occurred.

              it is dangerous to focus on this so called idea of ‘prevention’ because it implies that consent is linked to what you wear, or where you go.

              how many times have we heard “Girls!! When will you learn! At 3am when you are blind drunk & you decide to go home with a guy ITS NOT FOR A CUP OF MILO!”

              rapists will rape no matter what, pretending that you can make yourself safer from just makes it easier for them to get away with it.

              by reclaiming ‘slut’ we demonstrate that sex is by definition consensual. just because a woman has has consented with lots of other people doesn’t mean she’s consenting to you.

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      • Free Human Being

        Deeply ingrained?

        What a load of rubbish. Show me a case where victims are blamed. This is all hot air.

        A victim is a victim is a victim regardless of gender, what is sexist is calling for special treatment for your gender as an exactum of what is right or wrong.

        Very few people blame victims, but plenty of people like you complain.

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        • Gemma

          victims are blamed every time someone asks; “what was she wearing?” “why did she agree to go to his place?” “how drunk was she?” “but didn’t she agree to have sex on another occasion?”

          the percentage of victims that report sexual assault is so incredibly low. the number of victims whose immediate feelings after a sexual assault are those of shame, or self-blame, of ‘what did i do to deserve this?’ are innumerable.

          of course we should complain, victims have been silenced for too long.

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          • Anonymous

            @gemma

            Who are all these people asking what she was wearing?

            Evidence?

            It’s getting like an urban myth

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            • Gemma

              umm… slutwalks started because a toronto police officer essentially told university students: ‘if you don’t want to get raped, don’t dress like a slut’

              in nsw, that line of questioning was admissible in sexual assault trials until the criminal procedure act was specifically amended to prevent counsel from questioning complainants on such matters.

              so yep, not an urban myth, just a sad state of affairs.

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        • Anonymous

          When you say “So dressing like a slut wont get you raped, but being a slut will” that is blaming the victim, right there. The implication being, if you weren’t a slut you wouldn’t have been raped. That is your effective prevention strategy. And when people take offence to comments like that, you think it’s some radical feminist agenda. I am offended by comments like that and I do not hate men, I love them, but I will not make excuses for men who commit acts of violence. I will not believe that is a woman’s fault or responsibility. My husband can look at a scantily clad woman and not attack her, my adult nephew’s can interact with a woman who has sex with other men and not feel they have any rights to her body, my brothers can understand that a woman can agree to sex with them on one occasion and not on another and not attack her. So you know what? The problem isn’t with the way that women dress or behave, otherwise it would have that effect on all men. The problem is there are some men who are violent and behave appallingly, and there are people who make excuses for that behaviour. That is unacceptable.

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          • Free Human Being

            Here’s the problem…

            Stating a fact like having more sex partners, places you in more danger is not victim blaming.

            Neither is saying eating more places you in more danger of weight gain.

            They are facts, for people to do with as they please, but by radical feminist logic, I can not say eating more makes you fat, because It is fatism and prejudice against overweight people.

            Even though it doesn’t take into account any logical parameters.

            If you are promiscuous, then you increase the risk of contracting a disease and being a victim, even more so if you make very poor choices in safety assessment.

            The fact that this is true does not logically reduce the blame from an assailant or reduce said criminal’s responsibility, but how do we approach crime prevention, if we draw the line in the sand the way slutwalkers have?

            Don’t attack me, because it’s bad.

            What a waste of time.

            I suppose self defense is pointless too?

            Better whip my daughter out of karate, because slutwalkers march has made the world a safer place.

            God, where did reality go?

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            • Anonymous

              No you’re right I am convinced now. Being a slut will get you raped. Your arguments are really so well made and make such sense. It must be that I am just a radical feminist that it took me so long to understand the infinite wisdom of your points….sigh…

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            • Anonymous

              @ anonymous, ???

              Tell me your thoughts on safe sex then?

              Should people PREVENT std’s by taking…..precautions.

              I guess not?

              You just don’t want to face that prevention via sensible actions is always appropriate.

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    • Elle

      “if you want to make a point about victim blaming then you should also realize that sluts i.e sexually extra active women, are much more likely to get raped”
      Free human being you should also realize that if you act and or express opinions like a dick head then you are more likely to get called a dick head!

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      • Free Human Being

        Dickhead is a sexist connotation, but I’m reclaiming it

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    • elle

      I participated in jeans and a t-shirt. what did what I wore have to do with what the slut walk was about?
      it is about the fact that we believe NO ONE deserves to be sexually abused or raped! I think you’ve really missed the point and I find it incredibly sad that you (and your wife???) feel this way.
      i dont want to take you out of context but we could twist your words to say that you believe women who dress a certain way DESERVE to be raped!?!?!?!

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      • Free Human Being

        Therein lies the problem, I don’t care what you do or how many people you sleep with.

        I really don’t – I’m all about the freedom.

        What I can’t stand is that it is a fact that having more partners i.e being a slut by SLUTWALKER’s definition, is placing yourself in danger, especially if you are drunk and disorderly, just like walking a tightrope is.

        But, there seems to be an absence of logic that creates this void that says you can talk about every god damn person on earth being responsible for her or his actions except someone who is promiscuous who can unfortunately obtain and spread diseases, some of which are deadly.

        It’s like saying promoting safe sex is bad because it is blaming the victim, because an infected party should have told them.

        Nope, forget common sense and just let hysteria rule

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    • Katie

      Just out of interest, do you apply the same sentiment that “having more sex with more people increases your risk of sti/stds, so the stigma shall forever remain” to men as you do to women? After all, men are equally vulnerable to STIs. What do you call men who sleep around?

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      • Free Human Being

        I call people, humans, genderless entities who don’t perform safe sex in safe relationships….STOOPID 00

        Because not practicing safe sex is placing yourself at risk, but I guess slutwalkers don’t agree, because you can’t blame the victim.

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  28. Eloise

    I don’t know- words don’t offend me but the intent used when saying things does…
    If I am with friends and we’re calling each other whore’s or sluts in general theres no problem….but if I hear of someone calling me a bitch behind my back? That’s what hurts…
    Maybe it’s because I am in no way in a minority group…

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  29. Kate C

    My sister has had a lesbian partner for 4 years now, and I still tell her off for using the word “gay” as a derogatory term in my house. “But it doesn’t mean that”, she says, and I tell her that it does mean exactly that to a host of unenlightened neanderthal-types. I don’t want them to think I agree with their ridiculous views.
    That said, I think people in minority groups using these terms to describe each other is totally another thing from someone outside their group doing it. I couldn’t care less about Kanye letting loose with the “nigger”s but I wouldn’t dream of it.
    I think my problem reclaiming the word “slut” is with the girls I see who do use it for each other. Possibly thats just me being judgmental, but the 15 year old girls I was eavesdropping on on the train had me appalled. I do use “slutty” as an adjective without meaning any offense, but I am careful with whom I do so and would never say it behind anyone’s back. We all interpret things in different ways, so I say call yourself whatever the hell you want, but have some respect for other people who might not share your interpretation.
    P.S. I refused to use “cunt” till I realised what a hypocrite it made me. I call people “cock”s pretty regularly. Why should a vagina be more offensive???

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    • Melissa

      LOL, when I sing along with Gold Digger in the car all alone I totally say “she ain’t messin with no broke ninjas” because I’m so conditioned not to use the n word.

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  30. gypsy

    I’m not petite or even vertically challenged, I’m just a short arse

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  31. Punkernickle

    OK. So… I’m about to say something stupid which has nothing to do with this story but I’m saying it here because it’s about the ad on top and someone cleverer than me may be able to refer to it and answer my question…

    I was about to leave this page, and the Aveeno ad is scrolling along the top, and it has a sheaf of grain or something in the pic and mentions it has oatmeal in it and my question is… Are skin care products gluten free?

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    • Jane DJ

      Skin products containing gluten won’t harm someone who is gluten-intolerant/coeliac because the harmful action of gluten is on the small intestine lining when ingested, not when it is rubbed on the skin. One of my friends had a devil of a time trying to get info from the health nurse giving vaccinations to her coeliac daughter as to whether the vaccines were gluten free – until it was pointed out that vaccinations go straight into the body, bypassing the small intestine, so they were ok. Back to your regularly scheduled program…..!

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      • Punkernickle

        Ahhh… thank you!

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  32. May

    When used appropriately, I LOVE the word cunt. See exhibit a:

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    • Rick Morton

      I must say this is one of my most favourite pictures in the world ever. My mother has disowned me for liking it so much.

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    • Bradley

      Would you be as amused if the line was used against Julia Gillard ?

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      • Rick Morton

        The line isn’t being used against Howard…it’s affectionate, almost.

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        • Bradley

          I’ll have to really use my imagination on that one, Rick ! :)

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          • Rick Morton

            According to Gen Y, if someone does something like a ‘madc*nt’, then that means they do it very well! Our compliments are a little, err, different!

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      • Melissa

        I’m not sure she has enough fans to do something like that for her…

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  33. Punkernickle

    I swear like a trooper. There ís no word I will not use.

    But I just don’t get Slutwalk. WTF?

    Until I read through some of these comments I didn’t even know what it was about, just that it existed. And I just ignored the stories about it because I just didn’t want to know what a ‘slutwalk’ was. (I assumed it was about women wanting to wear itty bitty stuff and not be called sluts; not safety).

    Re the placard in the pic, which says “We’re taking slut back”… it really just brings out my inapproporiate gender-unbiased humour and makes me think like a naughty boy who could make one that says, “We’re taking sluts back, too!”

    I wish they’d thought it through better. A good cause lost to a poor concept which is open to far too muh ridicule and detracting from the core message.

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  34. Anna

    I think you can definitely use and them and use them in a positive way. People can only be offended by a word if they choose to find it offensive. If you’re not using the word in an offensive context, people should not be offended. Just as your mum wasn’t being offensive with the word ‘cunt’, it’s not offensive.

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  35. Anonymous

    Nah, I don’t think so… I can’t see the point in keeping words in my vocabulary that initially were derogatory. What’s the use in calling someone ‘faggot’ even with the most endearing intentions. Why not call them ‘buddy’ or something more neutrally coined. Why do we need to call our friends names at all? And why do we feel the need to always describe people by their sexual orientation, race or other? I’m not a saint when it comes to this, but I do love when my relationships develop to a point where I call people by their names when describing them to others, rather than e.g. their race, i.e. when we get so close that we see past the exterior.

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  36. marijke

    i am wary of normalising the words that can be considered offensive. i have 3 children from two marriages. My first husband was pacific islander, and my eldest two children, being of lovely brown skin, as teenagers went through a phase of calling each other “nigger”. Until their 6 year old caucasian sister picked up the term and used it at school.
    It was not being used in an offensive way by any of the children (and indeed it was used against my wishes in my home), and it caused quite a few issues as it was obviously not an appropriate word for a kindergartner to use when describing her classmate.

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  37. Kathy W

    What about ‘fat’? I hereby take back the word and declare that I am no longer ‘curvy’ – just size 14 and fat. There I said it…. And I don’t like it :(

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    • Mo5

      Love it. I am a tad tired of ‘curvy’ being thrown around far to generously.

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    • Punkernickle

      Just spell it “phat” instead – apparently it’s cooler if you don’t spell it correctly… ;)

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      • MissT

        I thought that stood for Pretty Hot And Tempting

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        • Punkernickle

          Let’s go with that!

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      • cups of tea

        sluht?

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    • Anonymous

      The problem here being that size 14 isn’t fat!

      I hate that “curvy” is used for any woman that’s not a bloody stick figure.

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      • Anonymous

        i much prefer ‘voluptuous’

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      • Kathy W

        Hi Anon….sadly, I am a fat size 14 as I am 5’1″ tall and weigh 70kg – like 20kg more than Kylie M who is the same height as me.
        Whilst voluptuous probably applies, my horrible (now ex) boyfriend would poke me and call me fat.
        Oh well, in the right clothes I look okay…maybe cuvy lol!…thank goodness for drapey jersey dresses!

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    • Mary Christmas

      There are a lot of ‘fatists’ around, believe me.

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  38. Leah

    I’m of the belief that a word can only hurt you if you choose to be offended by it. Whilst I agree that intention is 9/10s of the hurt behind a word, I still choose not to be offended by some words, even if said with intention to hurt. Someone practically spat the word ‘feminist’ at me a few weeks ago, and they meant it as an insult. Yet I don’t get offended by that label, because I do identify with it, and I don’t see it as an issue.

    That’s not to say that people should be using words like slut or faggot, I just think that the most powerful thing a person can do is choose not to let that word have any power over them. If you are gay, accepting the term ‘fag’ as a slur seems to me to be an acceptance that this is in some way a bad thing. Shrugging your shoulders and saying ‘yes, I am gay, what of it?’ and even reclaiming that word is such a powerful display of what you believe in, and what you believe to be offensive or bad.

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    • Kris2040

      I agree with you 100% Leah. I strongly believe that by being upset and showing it (or not and stewing about it) you let whoever calls you whatever word win.

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  39. Lana

    Rick may or may not have called me a slut this morning when I disagreed with his views on fidelity. Just saying ;-)

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    • Rick Morton

      I did not and would never have! But your definition of cheating is a bit off!

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      • MissT

        What’s her definition of cheating?

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      • Anonymous

        Whats your definition of cheating?

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        • Rick Morton

          A betrayal of trust involving another outside of the relationship. Certainly what Weiner did. Not flirting innocently, but that was not ‘flirting’ if you ask me!

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          • MissT

            Interesting. I say it’s cheating if you feel the need to lie about it. So flirting, texting, emails, talking, etc can all be cheating if you feel the need to lie about it, if you’re hiding it. If you’re not hiding anything it’s not cheating.

            (obviously this is blurred when the other person does not agree e.g. you don’t care about sleeping with people outside the relationship but they do)

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  40. Anonymous

    Well, I am reclaiming the word “misogynist”, as that is thrown around at me and others in here without justification for any comment that is against a hardcore feminist line pushed by many on this site. “I am Misogynist and Proud”. Only thing is, I love women. hmm, where does that leave me and my abilty to reclaim??

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  41. dingodave

    I’m a 50 year old faggot. I refer to myself as “the faggot” all the time. It’s worth it just to watch straight people squirm. But this is in the inner city, maybe i wouldn’t be so liberal with the word if i lived in Green Valley. Context, context, context. BTW if words offend it’s time to grow up.

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    • Bradley

      DingoDave….you rock !

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  42. rainbow

    i loved eva cox on Q&A a few weeks back.

    i don’t particularly like the word slut, but sure i’ll reclaim it if it helps improve awareness of women’s issues around sexual assault.

    i’ll be going on a slutwalk too if they come to my home town!

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  43. Melissa

    I supported slutwalk not because of any real sense of reclaiming (though I’m a big fan of cunt reclaiming :P ) but because of the message that victim blaming is never okay. Just because you hang out with footballers, or wear tube tops or are a lesbian or a prude or whatever, does not mean you deserve to be raped. If you are assaulted, you are not to blame, your attacker is.

    Reclaiming the word is a secondary issue. I heard my dad scream slut at my mum one to many times for me to ever be really comfortable with it.

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  44. lizzybennet

    WHY are we so interested in “re-claiming” the word slut? It’s always been offensive, what exactly are we taking back? You get rid of one rude word, another will pop up in its place. Why do we want this word, exactly?

    This whole slut movement really irks me. It has taken an important issue like victim blaming, which is still rampant in our courts and elsewhere, and turned it into the media getting a thrill out of being allowed to say the word slut in the paper and on tv.

    I would be genuinely astonished if the general public actually realised what the Slutwalk was hoping to achieve. Because I’m pretty sure it’s done NOTHING to challenge the mentality that a rape victim in some way encouraged the act. It’s completely sidetracked the issue here.

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    • Sarah E

      Well said lizzybennet.

      I personally can’t ever imagine using the word ‘slut’ or ‘faggot’ in an endearing way. i suppose there are some other words which have less impact, since they are used so often. But slut? That’s just offensive to me.

      And the C-word. No way.

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    • B

      I like these comments! So true!
      I don’t understand how participating in a slutwalk is supposed to be empowering! TripleJ Hack did a segment about it & was all positive spin. It annoyed me that the 2 sides to the argument weren’t displayed equally. I think it is derogatory no matter how you use it.
      And the point it was trying to make that a woman has a right to wear anything without fear of being attacked. I think this is a very naive idea! Yes, we should be able to wear whatever we like but the reality is you need to take some responsibility for your own safety, and no, to be clear this is not saying that women who dress provocatively are to be blamed if they are attacked, it is just a comment that in society we need to make some moves to protect ourselves!

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    • Edwina

      Don’t need to add my comment now- totally agree with everything here lizzybennet (is that you ‘claiming’ a bit of Jane Austen?!)

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      • Anonymous

        Haha yeah! Would love to consider myself a bit of an Elizabeth Bennet. Bit of a Jane Austen nut… my second name is Elizabeth after said heroine.

        (However, no Darcy as yet / Colin Firth)

        xxx

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      • lizzybennet

        Haha yeah! Would love to consider myself a bit of an Elizabeth Bennet. Bit of a Jane Austen nut… my second name is Elizabeth after said heroine.

        (However, no Darcy as yet / Colin Firth)

        xxx

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  45. Elizabeth

    I detest some words… and slut and faggot are two of them. I really dont want to claim them even if you can put a positive spin on them.

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  46. becauseimthemum

    Mia, I hear what you’re saying. But I just hate the word s-l-u-t. Surely we are all smart enough to use a more creative word to get our voices heard? I understand that if we reclaim the word slut, then it won’t be as offensive, but I cannot ever see a time in my life when I would be comfortable using it. And I will never understand the use of the c-word in any conversation – polite, or not.

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  47. Lily

    I’d be interested to hear what other redheads think about the word Ranga. Personally I can’t stand it and get kinda snarky when people use it, seemingly unaware it could possibly be offensive. It’s short for Orangutan, after all. But then I have a redheaded friend who describes herself readily as a ranga… With a baby due next week, my blond-haired husband and I were out for dinner recently and a drunken friend of a friend said “sorry but you guys are having ranga babies for sure. I guess you can always drown them in a bucket though”. It’s stories like that I have to pull out when people question why I’m sensitive to derogatory words used to describe my appearance, ie ranga.

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    • Marmalady

      I’m a redhead, but have never been called ‘ranga’. Can’t say if I’d find it offensive as it somewhat depends on context too. But I’d sure as hell be offended by the comment your drunk ‘friend of a friend’ said… Sheesh!

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    • MissT

      I am naturally blonde, but have been bottle red (most people don’t believe me) for 15 years. So I choose to be a redhead, which makes a difference, but I had never heard the term used except by my male best friend, who is a redhead and used it in the context of “You’ve just always wanted to be a ranga like me” (we’ve been friends for 25 years).

      HOWEVER after Julia Gillard became PM I walked into a shopping centre, on my way in I passed a man in a suit who looked like a perfectly upstanding individual. As I passed him, he said “ranga” under his breath at me. I was completely shocked! I laughed, though, and posted it on facebook as being hilarious.

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    • Cordeline

      I absolutely cannot stand the term ‘ranga’. Find it so offensive. Likening a person to a primate because of hair colour? Off. For me, picking on a person’s physical trait (often one that cannot be changed) is so very wrong.

      And the comment that drunk guys said about having red-headed babies… makes me sick. I’ve heard comments like this from many people, including friends who, when they or their wives were pregnant said things like ‘that baby better not come out with red hair or I’ll push it back in’. As if you would ever say that about another physical aspect? Big nose? Sticky-out ears?

      I once worked with a girl who told me a story about her boyfriend who was ‘freaked out by redheads’ and that she had to warn him if she ever knew they were going to be around a person with red hair. One night they had a huge argument because they went to a dinner and he was seated next to a person with red hair and he wasn’t ‘prepared for it’ and he couldn’t enjoy the night. WTF?!

      And lastly, before I finish my rant, I really don’t understand the whole stigma attached to people with red hair not being worthy (for lack of a better word) like other hair colours. Why would you want to ‘drown a baby in a bucket’ because they had red hair?! That is just the most horrid thing to say. And what about those terrible VicRoads ads? Sure, there are blonde jokes and what-not but the red hair ‘thing’ often goes so much further, like society would be better off without people with red hair, or at very least, they should be segregated.

      Yes, redheads are a minority in the world of hair-colour and because of that, they might stand out more, but why are the comments made about red hair mostly so derogatory?

      Of course I know they are people out there who do like red hair, so I am obviously only referring to those anti-red-hair morons out there.

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      • Lily

        Cordeline, you sound exactly like me on the issue. God, it makes me livid with rage when people make these hurtful comments about me or redheaded kids or whatever. Some of the comments I’ve heard make me shudder, not just that guy with the bucket comment.

        I don’t know, maybe I’m too sensitive. I’ve never considered myself unattractive and have always done just fine with men, my husband (who is GORGEOUS in not-just-to-me kind of way – and also a wonderful guy) first came and chatted me up because he loves my hair. Probably would not have met him if not for my colouring, so it’s really been an asset to me!

        Still though, gaaaaaar. Keep your simian comparisons to yourself, haters.

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        • MissT

          Just to back you up on being proud, my husband has banned me from dying my hair any other colour because, and I quote, “I LOVE redheads”.

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      • Anonymous

        Huh. Are you 3 living in Australia? I really didn’t know people had those kinds of attitudes about red-heads. My 4 year old daughter has red hair, really red hair, and she gets complements about it every time we leave the house. It’s gone to her head a bit (so to speak), she says to me “I have pretty red hair, everyone says so”, she’s very proud of her hair. It’s awful to think she might one day cop flack for it. It’s all very bizarre,

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        • Cordeline

          Anon, yes I am living in Australia. I do know that many children do get wonderful compliments on their gorgeous red hair. I did as well as a child :-) As I got older I got fairer and fairer though and for about 15 years now, I get referred to as a blonde which I find very odd because I spent my childhood as a redhead! Believe me, there are some bloody awful comments out there about red hair, as I described above! I was fortunate enough to only ever have one negative comment about my hair – being called ‘carrot’, not till I was 17 though and by an adult if you can believe it.

          It seems to me (and of course this is only my experience) that other kids don’t really notice or think to say awful things about red hair, but there are certainly some adults that do. And the comments are not just friendly teasing, they’re downright nasty :-(

          Mum tells me when I was born (early 70′s) one of the midwives brought me into mum’s hospital room from the nursery and said ‘here’s your little baby, she’s so beautiful, it’s just such a pity abou the red hair’

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        • Lily

          Anonymous, yes, definitely in Australia. I also used to get compliments as a child and still do.

          However, there’s some really awful things people say as well… It’s fantastic your daughter is growing up with such pride in how she looks.

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  48. Lu

    What troubles me more than negative names like Slut is that there are very few positive strong empowered describing words for female sexuality. Cunt is arguably the worst curse word in the English language … and it describes female genitalia how sad is that.
    I mean what is the female equivalent of the word cock?

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    • Anon

      Cunt is the female version of cock, is it not?

      I’m all for not being offended by language, but only if it’s not used in an insulting way. If someone was to insult me using the word ‘dyke’ I’d be offended, but if a friend and I were joking around and I was called the same thing, I wouldn’t be offended. Context.

      Cock also describes male genitalia. Feminism only works if you aim to treat both genders equally.

      Also, to the people saying that people won’t understand what events like slut-walk are for, most people I know, know exactly what it’s for. Like most things, however, they need a buzz-word that grabs the media’s attention in the tonnes of stories they get daily.

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      • Lu

        They literally describe the equivalent but the usage is different.
        For me the word cunt almost always has negative connotations and cock almost always has positive ones.

        Men proudly describe there genitals as cocks. I don’t think it is the same for women. I am very comfortable with my sexuality and my body but I wouldn’t describe my vagina as a/my cunt.

        A little too much info perhaps :) but this is something that has bothered me for ages.

        I agree on the buzz-word thingand the more stories the more people the message reaches.

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  49. fender4eva

    Really, who gives a fuck what Eva Cox says ? Or Germaine Greer, for that matter……..Walk your own path.

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  50. lauren91

    I think most people know who they can use those words around and when its not appropriate. I’m all for using them as terms of endearment, makes it harder for people to use them in a derogative way. Words can be powerful, so if we are able to use them in a positive, light-hearted, un-serious way maybe we will stop this immature name-calling and say what we really mean. Here’s hoping, anyway. Sticks and stones people!

    The other thing is, words change meaning all the time. 60 years ago ‘gay’ meant happy, then it moved to meaning homosexual, now people in addition to this use it to describe things they think are ‘lame’.

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