By EMILY HEIST MOSS
I tell all my single girlfriends to give online dating a try. Why not? I say, what’s the worst that could happen?
You set up a profile, pick some cute photos, write something witty about the things that you love (Beyonce, Hillary Clinton, Battlestar Galactica), list some books you like, and then sit back, kick your feet up, and wait for the messages to roll in. Your inbox will fill with notes from 19-year-olds in the ‘burbs, 40-somethings who find your taste in music “refreshing,” addled idiots writing “id fck u,” and a handful of age-appropriate, nice-looking guys who can string some sentences together and like to cook.
With those, you will send a few messages back and forth before he invites you for a drink. You will put on some mascara, plunge out into the snow, meet a stranger, and after an hour of slightly stilted conversation, he will grab the check.
You will try to split it, but he will pay, and you will stand to re-wrap yourself against the frigid wind. You will part ways, and you will probably, almost certainly, begin again the next day with another “Hey there…” message from the next contender.
I tell all my single guy friends to watch out for online dating. It is a sad, soul-crushing place where good guys go to die a slow death by way of ignored messages and empty inboxes. You will peruse profiles and find a few women who aren’t posing in a bathroom with their stomachs exposed. You will look for things in common in their profile (they like Scrabble too!).
You will send them a note, carefully crafted to show interest and attention to detail. The first seven will not respond. The next one will, but she spells “you” as “u” and you will let the conversation stall. Finally, one of the cool girls writes back, and you will banter a bit, swapping favorite restaurants or concert venues.You will ask her to meet up “in real life.”
At the bar, you will chat nervously for an hour (she is not as pretty or as funny as you had hoped she’d be), and then you will be saddled with the $27 check even though she ate most of the sweet potato fries. She will offer to split, but you think she doesn’t mean it and you don’t want to be a jerk. You will march home to an empty inbox and the desire to spend another hour browsing and writing will start to fade.
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You might think online dating would create some much-needed “fairness” between the sexes. In the realm of hetero courtship, tradition still reigns supreme. The Internet could be the great democratizer, the great playing field-leveler. After all, we each have only the 500-word text boxes and crappy jpegs and clever (not so clever) user names to show for ourselves.
Anyone can message anyone about anything. Maybe in this environment where we are safely sequestered behind screens, we can get past some of the lingering gender-based “rules” that dominate the “How to Catch a Man” playbooks of yore. Maybe instead we can learn to treat each other as equal players of a very silly game that we all secretly take quite seriously. Wouldn’t that be nice?
But it seems quite clear to me that we’re not there yet. I’m partly to blame, and you probably are too. I’m a feminist, sex-positive 21st century lady whose photos include me posing in a Rosie the Riveter Halloween costume. I write about gender on the Internet for crying out loud! But every day, when I log into the dating site of my choice, I play the passive role, the receiver of attention, the awaiter of messages.
I go to my inbox and see who wants to talk to me and then I choose to whom I’ll respond. Sometimes I send a “thanks but no thanks” to particularly sweet messages, but usually I’m so overwhelmed by the new things to read and the new choices in front of me that I ignore those nice guys too. Basically, I act like an entitled jerk who can pull puppet strings and make OkCupid dance for me however I please.
This is not the behavior I would expect of a feminist, sex-positive 21st century lady. It’s not behavior I’m particularly proud of either. Why don’t I write messages first? Why don’t I reach out to the dudes with the funny handles and good taste in books, the ones who post pictures with goofy faces and like tacos almost as much as I like tacos? Why do I not respond politely to every message, even the ones I’m not interested in? Why do I alternate between playing the damsel and the playing the demanding entitled a**hole? Because it’s just so easy.
Ugh. I’m embarrassed to have written that. I wish the evidence pointed to something else, something egalitarian and modern, but when I get real with my own online dating M.O., it’s the truth.
I’ve sent messages to guys before, sure, but the ratio is small. Ten to one? Twenty to one? Once in a blue moon? I don’t have to, and so I don’t make myself go through the scary exercise of asking for consideration and possibly being rejected or ignored.
Why would I put myself through the rollercoaster of the drafting, the editing, the sending, the waiting, the hoping, the checking, and the sighing in disappointment when the fact of my gender (and let’s be real; that’s really all it is) means the attention comes to me? This is not how I want this work, but I condone it with my inaction.
Once we make it out of the safe cocoon of the Internet and into the real world I’m better about aligning my actions with my values.
Out here, at a bar or restaurant, I work really hard to make sure that you know we are equals participating in a traditionally unequal transaction. You don’t order my wine and we split the check because we are peers.
Why should you buy my food? I have a job, you have a job, we’re all on a budget, and I did eat most of the sweet potato fries! Down the line, we can trade off and treat each other and enjoy the security in knowing there will be a “next time,” but for now, we both walked blindly into the same bar, so let’s walk out having equally invested in the last hour. Why can’t I apply this “equal investment” attitude to the getting of dates and not just the paying for dates?
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It’s a little too far past January 1st to call this a New Year’s Resolution, but I’ve decided to make a change. I do not want to be a passive participant in my romantic life. I do not want my dating choices to be limited to the guys who are still optimistic enough to send a message; I might miss some good ones who are just tired of being ignored and I can’t blame them. I’d get tired of that too.
I asked above why I should bother to get on the rollercoaster ride of being the asker instead of the askee, and I think the reason it’s worth trying is the reason it’s worth trying many things that make you uncomfortable; empathy. Many times in my writing I ask men to try to understand how women feel out in the world, to take a walk in their shoes, to try on a different perspective to understand their own privilege. I believe exercising those empathy muscles is what helps us be better, kinder human beings, but it’s not fair of me to ask without trying to reciprocate.
There is plenty of privilege to go around, and while I spend a lot of time thinking about the big things I’m afforded due to my lucky draw, the little things I get are worth considering too. I hypothesize that it will feel shitty to spend time on a nice note and to be ignored, but I don’t know, because I haven’t really tried. I think it’s about time I try to understand my digital privilege. Are you with me?
This article was originally published on Role/Reboot here and has been republished with full permission.
Emily Heist Moss is a New Englander in love with Chicago, where she works in a tech start-up. She blogs every day about gender, media, politics and sex at Rosie Says, and has written for Jezebel, The Frisky, The Huffington Post and The Good Men Project. Find her on Facebook and Twitter.
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58 Comments so far
sorry but sooo not with you I have tried online dating on various occasions I took it seriously putting myself out there from the onset if you are serious sbouy finding someone and have integrity sbout who you are as a person if you wouldn’t do this normal ly why would you do it just because you are meeting online?
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What the hell was that. Why on earth would you feel obliged to reply to “every message”, even if you’re not remotely interested in the guy? Isn’t feminism, at least in part, about disconnecting from that eager-to-please, super-apologetic and accommodating bullsh*t? That’s not to say that anyone LIKES their message to be ignored, but when someone sends you – a person they don’t know – what is basically a “what up, I’m attracted to you”, you do NOT owe them a response. I’ve sent a fair few of my own “thanks but no thanks” messages to many would-be suitors online. I think one guy has responded favourably. The rest have suddenly decided I’m a stuck up b*tch, frigid, ugly, a lesbian, stupid, etc and have been very forthcoming with these opinions. It’s like in real life when a dude comes up and offers to buy you a drink and you politely decline. “No?! Well, your face looks like a squashed toad!” You can’t win, online or in real life.
TLDR: It is not rude or entitled a-hole behavior to ignore messages from guys you’re not interested in on OkCupid and the like. It’s rude and entitled of them to feel that whatever they wrote deserves a response, regardless of your actual interest level.
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That whole empathy thing? Yeah, totally lost on E.
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I agree that it does get harder as you get older, but just have a break and get back online re-freshed, oh Redqueen my story exactly, Ive been on Rsvp for 2 years , though I never stay on for more than 3 months at a time, then a break , otherwise it is so dis-heartening, and no Im no oil painting , nearly 48 and I dont live within 75ks of anything ( I hate that , must live within 15 ks of ) But hey just getting to know a man , who I think Ive been Waiting for for about 30yrs , We are 1200ks apart and are both having the whole teenage heart flutter thing (no we havent had sex yet) Very strange as we are both pretty rough bushys, lucky he is a truckdriver so meeting up twice a week is easy, so dont give up sweety , honestly I have been olone 14 yrs and never gave a rats ass, but hey you never know. Oh and by the way he is my age.
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Have I tried Internet dating? Hell yeah!!!
I met my now husband in May 2005 on match.com. We were married in August 2006.
We now have two daughters and thank our lucky stars we found each other!
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I have also decided that online dating is “unfair” I am a fit and young looking late 60′s woman, and the odds are definitely against me. The men I send a kiss to often dont bother to reply, or their profiles have an unrealistic age group – i.e. 48 if they are edging towards late 60′s. I have had one “relationship” and at present am enjoying another, but the reality is that one is no longer desireable after a certain age. Gives me the pip, as I am not decrepit or boring. All those men who write about walking along the beach at sunset, or playing golf – give me strength. I want someone who will make love with as miuch abandon as I, will be fit enough to travel and have some get up and go. I think that a lot of the men are looking for nursemaids, something I am not interested in.
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sorry, but you’re on your own here. I have used online dating, as have other women I know. All of us were proactive, sent messages, and insisted on paying our way, or met for free things like walks by the lake.
I gave up on online dating when it resulted in my attracting a stalker, but did meet my now husband on a blind date!
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I signed up on RSVP a couple of years ago, just to test the waters.. A few time wasters later, I received a “kiss” from a guy I’d always liked the look of but never contacted (fear of rejection)?!
3 years later, we’re living together and have a fur baby! (Cat for now, human sorts to follow!)
Best guy. Ever.
Just keep at it, it’s meant to be a bit of fun – sure there’ll be a few toads along the way, but you may also find your prince!
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Have to say I agree with this article. Men are buyers in a sellers market. I’ve recently been on a dating/flirting site and all i have to say is that I’m female (no photo, no discernible personality) and the men flock to me. I end up not being ‘proactive’ in the process because i’m busy responding to the myriad chat windows that pop up from various men. No time to actually peruse the possibilities because they are served up on a platter!
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“Men are buyers in a sellers market” – Only if the product you’re buying can reject being bought. If men are serving themselves up on a platter to you then it sounds more like you’re the buyer in the sellers market…
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I get the idea online dating may not be for you, why keep on with it? Meet some guys the good old fashioned way!
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The old fashioned way? I don’t believe they still hold dances in the town hall.
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MaggieK- why stick around if you are not that interested?
It will be hard on you.
It is not entirely fair to him..
Best to avoid buying into the whole I’m in my 30s thing…
Just my $0.02- best of luck, hold on to your own sense of self worth.
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I see things your way too. He’s heading overseas for 8 weeks soon so I guess that’ll test my true feelings.
I’ve always been fussy and a huge commitment phobe so I want to give this time just in case my commitment issues are holding me back.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
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I’ve been online dating for a while now. The “kisses” I receive are a great boost for self esteem. The guys I’ve actually met up with have been very nice but nothing ever eventuated. I am now seeing someone who is really into me but I’m finding it difficult to feel the same way. As someone who’s just entered her 30s I’m starting to think that perhaps it might be better to just stay with someone who likes me more but it’s a bit of a moral dilemma for me.
As for making contact with men, I was given a free “stamp” (RSVP) and “kissed” many guys but had not one taker. For this reason I’ve never paid for online dating.
In the offline dating world I’ve dropped huge hints to two guys that I’m interested but no bites. One I think feels the same way but I’m too chicken to actually ask him out. The other i had the greatest connection ever with but he doesn’t feel the same way.
Everyone who has met their life partner is very lucky and I hope they understand that dating is pretty darn hard but fun at the same time.
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Why drop hints? Just tell the man you like him!
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I had a rough start to online dating meet a few toads, but I have been with my current man, who I met online for 12 months and we are planning our wedding for October next year. SO as long as you can weed out the desperate or already committed, you can have a positive experience +)
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Emily ….hmmmmm…..you are obviously the ‘bream’ in the ocean, whereas I would be the ‘catfish’. What I mean is you must be under 25, wrinkle free, no kids, no excess baggage in the form of an ex-husband….in other words, highly desirable.
I am the catfish. I am 50 years old, kinda-wrinkly, bustin my butt to stay 62kg and slim and have two sons (one only 12) and an ex-husband.Therefore, in the slimy pond of the dating world in which I find myself, I am as wanted as Saddam Hussein at a bar-mitzvah.
Regulars on here have heard me moan about my experiences with E-Harmony. What a crock. I forked out $35 a month for six months and got three whole contacts (one looked like my dad, one needed a liver transplant and the third was a fake profile).
Well, I finally got around to RSVP. Loaded up a profile on Friday night and was ready for the sound of crickets. To my utter astonishment – I have TEN contacts already and it’s only Monday afternoon. Admittedly, three quarters of them hit the recycle bin – but it’s looking slightly more promising and it’s also FREE.
If I ever get a date out of this, I promise not to eat all the sweet potato fries. Stay tuned.
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Keep it up, it’s a numbers game! You might have to meet 30 guys but you will find a nice one. I met my wife (now + 3 kids) on RSVP.
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I met my partner on RSVP and we have been together for 8 years. I am 54 and he is 52.I was quite sceptical on our first date and then he asked me out again( gratefully) and it was kapow- big attraction. A male friend just married someone he met on RSVP- he is 57 and she is late 40s.I am really happy and appreciate my good fortune but you have to put yourself out there. Although I get the impression that RSVP has become less reliable in terms of meeting genuine guys than 8 years ago.
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I am always surprise how for Australian women, feminism is often to do with the ability to split the bill” rather than being entitled to equal salary…
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Totally agree. Probably get kicked down for it, but I am a little old fashioned in that I like the man to offer (insist) to pay for dinner on the first date. I am happy to buy rounds of drinks etc, and should we want to see each other again I wouldn’t expect him to foot the bill all the time. But the fact of the matter is that for me, the man is nearly always on FAR more money than I am even, tradesman. And I am a qualified teacher. So to be honest, while he’s always earning a packet, I think it is rather nice and gentlemanly for him to pay on the first date. I am not a leech either, and I don’t go on dates very often; in general it is someone I like and want to get to know.
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So if you went on a date with someone like my brother, who earns way less than a teacher, it’s your shout?
Or do low income blokes need not apply?
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Or a motivation for him to get a better paid job
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Of course! The answer to everything! Earn more money
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He’s studying, and will in the future earn more.
That doesn’t answer the question though — if Lucinda went on a date with someone who earned less than her, would she automatically cough up?
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Of course I would. Or I would at least offer if I knew they were having trouble financially. Would your brother accept the offer?
I have offered to pay many times, though a lot of the time the guy will insist and hey I think that’s quite gentlemanly. So shoot me.
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Good to hear. I know more than a few women who wouldn’t even consider paying more than half, but would happily let the bloke pay the lot.
So I dips me lid to you (or I would, if MM would let me reply to you, as opposed to my own post
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Try telling a woman that you have met online that you don’t have the money to go 5 star, but will have to have a counter meal at the local pub.
You’ll be met with a stony silence. RSVP has a blog and one of their subjects a few years ago was about guys without much money. Most women would have one ot two dates with a poor man, but nothing more.
Money talks.
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Probably quite a good filter of people not worth bothering with. Kind of like a woman ignoring blokes who list “big tits” in their interests.
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You’ve summed up my feeling exactly. I’ve been taking the proverbial bull by the horns and asking men out… The same quantity of freaks and weirdos are there but at least I’m being proactive. At least that’s what I tell myself, 6 dates and no contenders down…. More in-depth discussion on my dating disasters at http://www.rsvpsingles.wordpress.com
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Do you think I should give the online thing a proper go? I’ve been single for a while and feel like I never meet anyone new. I tried it once and got a lot of ‘kisses’ from men in the aged 40+ group…not what I was looking for! (im 22).
Anyway, I guess im nervous about what ‘people’ will think. Maybe ill give it a go but with no photo…I feel like im having a conversation with myself haha!
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I was nervous about what people would think, but once you are outed you will soon find that half your friends are already doing it. I discovered a stack of people I knew were on RSVP, and recently went to an RSVP wedding. As for the 40 year old’s, just bin them. You should get plenty of offers, and it’s not like you have to go out with every guy. If you meet 1 out of 50 who messages you that is ok.
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I’m a 49 year old bloke and there’s no way I’d contact a 22 year old woman. Just bin the old boys, they are kidding themselves.
There is a setting on RSVP where you can only be contacted by people in your preferred age range, use that and you’ll not get anything.
Then just sit back and wait, yes, you’ll get lots of attention if you have a decent photo or two.
Some women complain of the amount of attention they get, I’m wondering what the hell they expect! It’s a dating site FFS.
If you find that you’re getting attention from heaps of people that you’re not interested in, you can group message a “thanks but no thanks”. There’s no excuse for not replying on RSVP.
Give it a go, you really have nothing to lose.
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I met my soon to be husband on an online dating site 4 years ago.
Online dating can work,I meet some interesting people, but I found honesty the best practice to get out of the expereience what your expectations where. I paid to contact contact my man after he sent me a “kiss”. He said it was refreshing that a woman was prepared to pay the fee to talk to a man rather than sitting back and waiting for him to pay.. I also didnt expect him to pay for everything when we went out. We really got to know each other on an even playing field. It was only after dating for about 6 months or so that I found out he was quite a wealthly man, but really wanted to make sure a woman was interested in him rather than someone wanting to freeload and be entertained every weekend at his expense.
Girls take the risk in being treated as an equal. Pay your way, be independant but also allow him to be a gentleman and open a door for you!
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I met my now wife through Online Dating, I was 22 at the time she was 20.
We met for coffee, went to a movie and then ended up going for dinner where I did get the bill but far from never hearing from her again she rang me about 5 mins after we parted ways.
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Emily – Are you in your twenties with a gorgeous picture of yourself on your profile? The numbers are stacked in your favour at that age – there are far more men seeking women!
When I was single in my thirties online was the best way to meet a new man in an any way efficient manner (and I didn’t even put my picture up because I didn’t want to be recognized for professional reasons + I wanted a man interested in me for me). Most of the people I met at parties or outside work were married. There might be one or two single people who others try to match you with but they are rarely compatible. Most of the people I worked with were women.
And it really worked. I met the most wonderful, intelligent warm and caring man who is now my partner/ husband of six years and father of our three girls. We share a large number of interests (we are both a bit ‘geeky’ and spent way too much time at uni!). We can talk about anything together. I am very happy!
May be things are a little bit more even (and the dating is a little more serious) when dating online in your thirties.
As I understand it, it is a party and major confidence booster for men in the older age groups as single women by far outnumber single men!
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I ditched online dating about a year ago. I just got so sick of men lying through their teeth about their ages. They post photos to their profiles that were taken years ago and they look nothing like their pics. When you do meet up with them they get offended when you point this out to them.
Is it too much to ask that men be honest about their age? I’m honest about mine but it seems that women in their 40′s are magnets for old men who have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
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So just wondering what do you do now Redqueen. Do you go to bars ?
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Anonymous, I don’t go anywhere now I’ve stopped dating altogether. One of the dating ‘gurus’ on one of the sites I was on was advising all the women in my age group (mid 40′s) they they needed to look at guys in the 60+ bracket. I just can’t go there. I want to date someone close to my own age but it seems that that age group all want younger women and unless you look like Elle MacPherson a woman in her 40′s is about as welcome as a leper.
Frankly I’m happier staying in with a good book or movie these days!
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Insterestibly enough I recall a similar article whereby once women hit 40 their swimming pool often became a paddling pool . I hope I find someone before the dreaded 40 hits in 4 years. Praying actually. I would hate to end up alone , forever
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That is terrible Redballoons.
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Redballoons?
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What is so terrible about it? I’m in exactly the same boat as redqueen (Redballoons?) in that I have totally given up dating. Have even given up the thought of dating. No longer do I even long for intimate male company.
I have discovered that not only am I blissfully happy to be single, but I would now, should the opportunity present itself, actively discourage any suitors.
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How terriblly sad and lonely
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So sad RedQueen. I hope i get to 40 without being single with only having to look forward to a book or staying indoors with a movie sat night,.
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Wow Redqueen, that is awful. Why on Earth would any woman in her 40′s prefer to date guys old enough to be their dad? Yuck. I have always dated younger men (5-7 years) & met my partner online also. He is in his 30′s & I am in early 40′s. It always disturbs me that women are expected to date old farts, but when somebody like me dates younger men, it has to be mentioned, as if it is a bizzare, new thing… Get over it people. I like younger men & always will. That’s my 2 cents worth for today. Love can be found anywhere, at any age. It does not matter how you meet, it is what you do after meeting that matters.
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I only date women within a couple of years of my own age. I don’t understand this thing about wanting a woman 10 years younger than me. I certainly don’t want to date a 39 yo woman who has recently decided that she wants kids. I can’t think of anything worse.
So my criteria are women in their late 40′s with kids no younger than 12. I’m not interested in bring up some other blokes kids any more either.
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That’s fair enough Anon. I have no kids, nor do I want them. My partner also has no kids. I guess I am still vibrabt & juvenile, just older.
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Oh dear, so the depreciation of a woman is not a myth. Maybe Lori Gollieb was right when she wrote her book. ” Marry Him”.
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What a difficult situation to be placed in red balloons. Sending positive love vibes your way .
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Who is this red balloons?
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How about the ‘depreciation’ of men? I am not into wrinkly guys who need viagra.
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Good to see that you are so non judgemental.
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Gosh you have placed fear into me. Maybe being fussy was really not worth it during my 20′s & 30′s .
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Depends on what you mean by fussy, fussy over trivial things or fussy as in expecting to be treated with common decency and respect. Maybe you did miss some opportunities in your 20′s and 30′s, but maybe you dodged some bullets too, at least 50% of the married (now divorced) population weren’t so lucky. Don’t make the mistake my sister did and marry the first guy that comes along just to have kids before it’s “too late”, divorce is always messier when there are kids, if your life isn’t happier because he’s in it don’t settle.
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I met my partner of 4 years online. I was 42 and he was 31. I had plenty of interest from men around my age and younger – as well as a few older chaps. I’m chubby and a future (or past) as a cover girl is not for me! I averaged one face to face meeting a month after a lot of online and phone chatting and Mr hms was the 6th man I went out with. So glad I kept going after some very strange ones
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Yay! Good on you hms.
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16 months on and I am glad that after meeting so many duds that I have met a man who I still look forward to seeing everyday. It is hit and miss but as a single mum trying to meet someone anywhere else is difficult. So glad everyday that we both took the risk with each other.
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