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This is why you’re not married.

 

 

 

By JAMILA RIZVI

Yep, you clicked on that headline. We knew that you would…

Because this headline and the controversial article it accompanied (which you can read in full here) was one of last year’s most clicked on articles from US site, The Huffington Post.

That’s right, an article, which tells women why they’re not good enough has been shared a whopping 100,000+ times on via social media and email.

What’s unclear is whether the sharing was done by single women themselves or those who think single women should read it.

The basic argument made by writer Tracey McMillan is this: “if whatever you’re doing right now was going to get you married, you’d already have a ring on it.” She then proceeds to list the reasons why a woman might not be married (and why they’re all HER FAULT).

The reasons include:

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Writer, Tracey McMillan.

You’re a Bitch. Here’s what I mean by bitch. I mean you’re angry. You probably don’t think you’re angry. You think you’re super smart, or if you’ve been to a lot of therapy, that you’re setting boundaries. But the truth is you’re pissed. At your mom. At the military-industrial complex. At Sarah Palin. And it’s scaring men off.

You’re Shallow. When it comes to choosing a husband, only one thing really, truly matters: character. So it stands to reason that a man’s character should be at the top of the list of things you are looking for, right? But if you’re not married, I already know it isn’t.

You’re a Slut. Hooking up with some guy in a hot tub on a rooftop is fine for the ladies of Jersey Shore — but they’re not trying to get married. You are. Which means, unfortunately, that if you’re having sex outside committed relationships, you will have to stop.

You’re Selfish. If you’re not married, chances are you think a lot about you. You think about your thighs, your outfits, your naso-labial folds. You think about your career, or if you don’t have one, you think about doing yoga teacher training.

That’s just a taste. Other reasons include “You’re a liar” and “You’re not good enough”.

Now, I could rant all day about why I think this post is absurd and that the way that it sets up marriage as the paramount goal of every woman’s life is insulting to our intelligence.

But I’m not going to.

Because I actually think there might be something to learn from McMillan’s article.

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Muriel’s wedding

Why is it that in 2012, when women have access to the WHOLE internet, did this particular article shoot to the top of the ‘most read’ and ‘most shared’ posts? Why did hundreds of thousands of women choose to read this list of reasons why they weren’t married? And why were tens of thousands of them enamored enough by its points to publicly share it with their friends on social media.

I was one of them. I clicked. I read. Something in my brain went ‘this will be relevant to me’. Why?

Well, the reason is kind of obvious: I want to get married.

I don’t want to get married IMMEDIATELY. (My relatively-new boyfriend’s hyperventilating should be slowing a little now. Just breathe babe, it’s going to be fine). But I would like it to happen one day. With the right person. When we’re both ready.

Do I NEED to get married? Of course not.

My parents raised me – and so far the world has continued to teach me -  that I really can have whatever I want from life. I have a great job, I live with friends not a partner, I don’t need a bloke to do anything for me other than reach things from the top shelf (and actually I have some excellent and very sturdy chairs for that) BUT…. At some point, I would still like wear a white dress, tell someone I love them and then spend a lifetime together.

And for some reason that has become something I am not supposed to say aloud. And it’s something most of my contemporaries wouldn’t own up to either. If we do so, it is with a real trepidation that other women will think we’ve betrayed the sisterhood or implied that women should live in some mad pursuit of a getting someone – ANYONE – put put a ring on it.

If we state our desire to get married one day, we are terrified that men will run for the nearest Playstation and lock themselves in a room with it forever more, because they think we’re cloying, obsessive and Muriel-esque..

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This post on Mamamia sparked lots of debate.

We recently ran a post on Mamamia from a woman who lives with her partner of many years and they have a baby together. She and her partner have a great relationship but she wants to get married and he doesn’t. And the fact that they aren’t married is eating her up.

She asked for Mamamia reader’s advice. Boy, did she get it.

I even received an email explaining the injustice Mamamia had done to the author of the post, to feminism, to the sisterhood and to the WORLD in allowing these ‘backward attitudes that promote marriage as the only thing women should aspire to’ to be published.

Well of course that’s just silly. I also think women should aspire to turn real life into a musical, where ordinary conversation is replaced by boisterous song and rousing chorus. Seriously. I do. It would be fun.

I digress. My point is this: Why does aspiring to marriage have to be a bad thing?

For me, marriage is about finding someone you love so much that you want to spend the rest of your life with them and that by some great fortune and meeting of the moons and all that hoo-ha, they want to do the same thing. Oh and it also means a really big party and a new dress to kick it off. Um, why wouldn’t you aspire to it? Along with a bunch of other things, OBVIOUSLY.

The crux of what causes so much concern though, is the fact that what I’ve just described isn’t about marriage, it’s about love. The marriage bit is simply how our society has traditionally chosen to formalise that love.

Of course I aspire to love. Don’t we all? Love is lovely.

And while McMillan’s headlines are unnecessarily inflammatory, some (emphasis on the some) of her points may be valid. For some people.

We’ve all had moments in our lives, where on reflection, we realise our actions have been selfish, or our first impressions shallow, or we’ve taken our anger out on someone who didn’t deserve it.

I know I certainly have.

In fact I know I’ve had far more than moments, I’ve had full blown chunks of my life dedicated to those realisations. And reflecting on those times, recognising the scale of mistakes made and endeavouring to do better have been important.

Am I still bitchy, shallow and selfish on occasion? Of course. Regularly in fact. But far less so than I was three years ago when I still believed I was the centre of my own world and everyone else’s too.

McMillan’s article, beneath the shock tactics it employs, is really about self reflection and prompting a more deliberate effort to be more chivalrous and giving to people around you.

And in a world that could use a little more kindness, there is some real merit in that.

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139 Comments so far

  1. seriousmarksays

    i have to admit that i hate being alone and single again, especially after a divorce. i was a very happily married man at the time, and now trying to connect with a good woman again is very difficult for me now. she was the one that cheated on me, and i was a very caring and loving husband that was very much committed to her.

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  2. caitlinmaree

    The reason I’m not married= I don’t want to be :)

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  3. Chris

    If either spouse can break down a marriage at any time, with no grounds at all, without penalty or the obligation to compensate the other spouse, how can marriage be said to exist anyway?
    Since 1975, weddings have been nothing more than parties.

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  4. Anonymous

    I am 28 and suddenly all my friends are in relationships,married with kids etc. I am not looking for a tall,handsome rich man. Of course I need to be attracted to him,but I am mostly attracted to a guy who loves to read,is smart,open minded,funny,loyal and is someone who treats me with respect.

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    • Joss

      and that….is perfect :)

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  5. Guest

    For those that see this article as tounge in cheek or an attack on women. Has it occured to you that it is merely a call for self reflection to those that want to get married but have been unable to find someone to share their life with?

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  6. missamoo

    Just quietly my life is a musical and I do break into song whenever I think it’s appropriate. Even when it isn’t and most especially on my bike riding around Melbourne. Look out for me!!

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    • Joey

      I’m 29, in a great relationship for 5 years, and have no desire to get married. Ever.

      As it is wedding season I’m getting plenty of very polite queries re. when I’m going to get married.

      How about never.

      Luckily a lot of it comes with a good dose of humour (ie my boyfriend and Dad bantering about how many goats and cows will suffice for my dowry – love it!)

      For me, having a great relationship is what is important. I’d also rather spend my money on a holiday than on a wedding.

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  7. Rachael

    Ah, I’m so thankful for all the arseholes I dated, and the things I did ‘wrong’ to prevent them from marrying me… It meant that in my 30′s I could think about what I wanted, what I didn’t want and what was actually important – And Lo, There appeared a bald man, with a bit of a tummy, not tall, employed with a decent living, but he made me LAUGH and he is KIND and he openly ADORES me and I ADORE him back.

    My friends that married the ‘rich guy’ and the ‘hot guy’ are envious pf how we don’t fight, and the little things we do for eachother (That’s not to say that every rich or hot guy is going to turn into a frog, but if that’s the only reason you married them…sheesh!)…

    Whether you want to marry or not – whatever floats your boat, but go for the one that makes you LAUGH! Sometimes laughter is all you have…

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  8. Alice

    I have a friend who had been single for many years who also has an impossible list of male qualities. he must be rich ‘to take care of her’ good looking and a professional bla bla. She told md I was lucky to have someone to take care of me. I was horrified as she devalued the two degrees and professional wage I bring home. My husband has made it clear the thing he values and respects most is hard work. My friend thinks as an uneducated low wage earner that she is entitled to a banker. Perhaps the banker wants a banker too. She Wouldn’t go on a date with the childhood friend who adores her because he is a mechanic. She is a secretary. Perhaps the dream guy we all think we are ‘entitled’ to is simply not in our league and by focussing on him we miss out on all the genuinely lovely men out there.
    She also sleeps with everyone on the first date, starts calling after 3 days if they haven’t called first then after a week of no return calls bitches to me in a rage that all men are arseholes. God bless her.

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    • Guest

      You must send her ‘F-me boots’, by Amy Winehouse!

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    • Lisa

      Unfortunately, I think we al have one of these ‘friends’

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  9. Lou

    http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/?single_page=true

    A really interesting article about women and relationships. It is long but a good read. It talks about the ‘man pool’ becoming smaller as women earn more and are more educated. Also talks about success of marriage in places where there are more men vs more women.

    I found it interesting.

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  10. chillax

    I think some of these comments are really valid.
    Its about self respect and respect for men. As people, not treating them as a good looking wallet.
    I have 3 close friends who would love to get married but are still, in the 40′s not married.
    One will sleep with every guy on the first date. I told her her to hold off, a guy isnt going to marry you if you give it all away on the first date..
    One will only go out with a guy if he was hotter than Hugh Jackman…hence dates have been few and far between. One absolutely lovely guy was so smitten with her but she dumped him because he had ‘scrawny calves’…
    Another one, who has a great profession and income will only date a guy who earns more than her, or appears to earn more, because she couldnt cope being married to a weak provider making her have to keep working and ‘wear the pants’ after they have kids.
    I love these girls but can see exactly why nobody is good enough!

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    • Anonymoose

      I’ve been married for 2 years to a guy I slept with on the first date.

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      • chillax

        ooh I knew people would comment on that one….its not a hard and fast rule, but when every guy you date ends as a one night stand its time to rethink your game plan if marriage is what you truly want :)

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      • Ellen

        I got pregnant on our first date. Now happily married with two more children since. Rules about love are crap.

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        • Kara

          You may be the exception to that rule, more often than not sleeping with someone straight away may not land you with a ring on it.

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    • Dee dee

      My single friends are the same, must be beautiful looking chiseled face men, with a huge bank balance, hard fit body. They are single in their 40′s and no man other than one night stands… Sadly as women depreciate less men will want them. However sadly their ridiculous reasons from the past will catch up and they will be single forever…..

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    • Kate

      I slept with my now-fiance on the first date. We’re getting married in July.

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  11. Anonymous

    If you have been single for a very long time and are desperate to be married, remember you are the common denominator…… You need to change your ads as what you have been doing for so long just is not working.

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  12. InKL

    This isn’t about feminism. This is about self confidence. Why should you give a fuck about what other people think? If you want to be happy, be happy. If being married makes you happy, what’s to stop you? If saying you want to be married fills your tummy with flutters that make you smile whose business is it but yours?

    Feminism isn’t about worrying about what others think of your choices. Feminism is about equality. Equal opportunities, equal pay, equal choices. What you make of your choice up to you, but please, please stop blaming feminism when the reality is you’re worried about what other people might say.

    Fuck ‘em.

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  13. Guest

    I have so many male friends who have absolutely no shame in announcing that they want to find their soulmate, get married, have kids (maybe one boy and twin girls). It’s my female friends who either denounce it or admit it to me but only when drunk and in embarrassed whispers.

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  14. Alicia

    My bf told me in her prime that her future husband must be tall, dark, handsome , rich but does not have to be famous. She waited out for him. Now at 45 all she wants to find in a man is full time employment and a full set of teeth.

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    • Single

      I am 32 and have had relationships with men who are shorter, fairer, not handsome at all, not buff, not even all that smart, and definitely not rich. The last one did want to marry me, however punished me throughout our relationship for his ex of several years earlier who cheated on him.
      I do not have a list such as your friend’s. What further concessions would you suggest I make to my standards in finding a man of good character? I am educated, polite, articulate, have a sense of humour, am hygienic, good at keeping my home, can cook well, am well-travelled, dress with panache, love kids and animals, am a good and thoughtful daughter and friend, respectably employed, spend time and money on charity, am well read, enjoy watching many sports, affectionate and passionate, keep abreast of current affairs, don’t gamble or shop like a maniac (not looking for someone to foot the bill), I look after my finances well, am not in debt, I am not angry or bitter, I don’t hold a torch for any exes, am not divorced, I am pretty but do not define myself sole via that attribute and would not wish anyone else to. I am seriously puzzled that I shouldn’t wait or hope for for my equal (or my relative equal). Why do I not deserve a man who cares as much about looking after himself, appreciating his present and planning for his future?

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      • Alicia

        @ Single,,,, the longer you wait the harder it becomes. Women depreciate so unfortunately what you could get in your 20′s is no longer the case in your 30′s and almost obsolete in your 40′s. My post was a realisation that you cant be too picky in life because in the end if you do you can miss out and end up with NO ONE

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        • Cold

          Women depreciate? Jeez.

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          • Anonymous

            @ Cold , unfortunately women do. Think about it. When you were in your 20′s heaps of men are attracted to you, in your 30′s in slowly declines. Men as a rule are more attracted to youth and fertile women. Sorry but a sad fact about ageing

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            • Joss

              Depreciate?! We sound like a fricken asset at tax time.
              Single – be picky. Not unrealistically picky (doesn’t sound like you are) but picky enough that you actually “like” the person you’re going out with. No one needs to settle for second best. At the same time though, no one is perfect….but I’m sure you know the difference!!
              Everyone deserves someone who is just as “beautiful” (more inside that out) than they are. It is up to you to decide that you are worthy (you are!).
              I know it might not seem comfortable, or maybe it is, but have you tried any online dating sites? I know there are a lot of guys out there who just want sex through those sites, but I think you’d work out those guys pretty quickly – just keep it email friendly and don’t meet them at least for the first month. If they’re not interested to stick around that long….then chances are they wouldn’t stick around that long anyway. Their loss!
              It frustrates me that women put themselves down, saying that when we get older there is no point, just get what you can get otherwise you’ll be by yourself. F**k that. Be yourself, don’t go and get plastic surgery or botox, or a boob job, or labiaplasty….WTF?!
              We ladies are on our knees trying to please the men in this world. WHY??
              I seriously don’t know why, so if anyone can let me in on this secret please do…..
              Single, its’ your life you do what you want to do. I’m hoping that includes loving yourself as you are, standing up for you and what you believe in….and not taking S**T from guys who want to take advantage of you. Of all the people in this massive world I PROMISE you there is someone out there for you. They might not be in the same city, but they’re out there. Thank gosh for the internet…..no go find them!!!! xxxxx

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  15. Bella Westaway

    Jamila, I lurrrrrve you!!!!

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  16. Emma

    Being married is no guarantee that a woman is not a selfish, shallow bitch. I think many men are just accepting of these qualities because that’s just how they perceive women in general. I am frequently stunned by the treatment many men put up with from their wives. Likewise with women and their husbands. Some people are just willing to settle more than others.

    This article is probably true for a lot of women, but in many cases, the real reason a woman isn’t married is because she hasn’t given in and settled for the wrong person, just for the sake of being married. And why would you?

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  17. Kylie2

    A few more possible reasons;

    You aspire to spending your life with a man you really love rather than aspiring to “marriage” for its own sake

    You work in a female dominated industry and have few opportunities to meet single men.

    You’re not interested in men who are not single

    The men you’ve had relationships with did not want to get married because of their own parents’ divorce or the advice they received from unhappily married friends

    You’re part of a generation who see marriage as optional

    There are lots of reasons you may not be married, despite being a lovely, smart, deep, selfless person. Sometimes it’s just luck, timing or other forces which mean it doesn’t happen for you. Thankfully women of our generation have other options if Mr Right never appears.

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  18. JC

    I like Jamila’s suggestion that this is a prompt for self-reflection and the comment below that its really about ‘how to be a good person’. As someone tentatively re-entering the ‘dating scene’ (read thinking it would be nice to have some female company for dinner) you do start to think about warning signs, perhaps too much. Can’t argue with being concerned about shallowness, selfishness and especially anger. I am not responsible for the ex, the government or the poor waiter who mixed up your order. I think the ‘slut’ one needs some qualification. Sexual history should largely stay history (please don’t overshare on that front) but evidence of a history of infidelity is a warning sign, unless you are wonderfully modern about open relationships. Yes, I know your ex was emotionally distant/didn’t understand you but I just presume this will end in (my) tears. My observation of age appropriate 50 somethings is that there are many wonderful women out there. Many are single because they are happy on their own, interested but discerning (not picky) and/or have been subject to particular circumstances (death of a partner, abandonment etc). And yes I get the ‘chemistry’ bit too (having learnt the hard way in being persuaded that friendship could grow into more). Still mystified by those RSVP (browsed but did not commit) common requirements of ‘must be passionate about life’ and ‘must be comfortable in own skin’. What are they about?

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    • Cold

      I think comfortable in own skin means ‘mustn’t mind if I sit around in my trackie dacks scratching my arse’.

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  19. Sally

    I aspire to get married and will… as soon as gay marriage is legal in Australia!

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    • jamilarizvi

      I want to high five you Sally. Virtual smiley faces will have to suffice for now though :D :D :D

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  20. elle

    I feel kind’ve shocked that you start by saying how ridiculous MacMillian’s article is and end by acknowledging it has some merit. I found her article incredibly offensive and judgmental. I can’t stand women like her who attack other women’s behaviour and tell them what they should and shouldn’t be doing in order to get a man. I found Angela’s (can’t remember surname) article in an Australian newspaper last year about girls not dressing like sluts/hookers because boys like Kate Middleton similarly offensive. There are many women who may long to meet a partner and get married and already feel pressure and sadness about it. They do not need other women like Macmillian asking them if they’re sure they’re not too bitchy/slutty/shallow to be worthy of a ring. I’m disappointed that you actually thought the article had ANY merit.
    Personally I haven’t experienced or seen the anti-marriage message in my circle. Maybe you are surrounded by people with strong anti marriage views? Most women I know would like to get married but are quite happy living their lives until/if it happens.

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  21. Kate

    I’ve already commented below but I’d like to add that the posts here from attached women to the single gals are quite condescending, although I’m sure they’re not intended as such.
    The “I use to feel that way” and the “once you’re attached you’ll wish you had more time with your mates, ” “It will happen the moment you stop looking,” “once your happy with yourself..” etc etc. Really? Come on.
    And I’d just like to add context for myself: 29 and have been in a relationship for the past 9 years. So if I’m finding the comments patronising and I’m not even single!
    Show some respect. And stop being smug :-)

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  22. Kate

    I’ve already commented below but I’d like to add that the posts here from attached women to the single gals are quite condescending, although I’m sure they’re not intended as such.
    The “I use to feel that way” and the “once you’re attached you’ll wish you had more time with your mates, ” “It will happen the moment you stop looking,” “once your happy with yourself..” etc etc. Really? Come on.
    And I’d just like to add context for myself: 29 and have been in a relationship for the past 9 years. So if I’m finding the comments patronising and I’m not single…
    Show some respect. And stop being smug :-)

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  23. Luisa Munoz

    “Well of course that’s just silly. I also think women should aspire to turn real life into a musical, where ordinary conversation is replaced by boisterous song and rousing chorus. Seriously. I do. It would be fun.”

    Jamilla! I think of Diane Keaton in the movie “Somethings gotta give” I love it!

    Look, I consider myself to be married. I’m not legally, but everything I BELIEVE that constitutes a marriage, I am living and breathing everyday.

    My ‘husband’ and I are dedicated to each other. We have made two incredible boys in the past two years out of wedlock, per se. We’re like every married couple. We house the same arguments, we experience the same financial woes a middle class family experiences, we are like every other Mr. and Mrs. legally married.

    The day that we seal the deal and make it legal, we are going to chuck a huge freaking soiree for our dearest and nearest. I’m going to wear a white dress, heck I may even get a karaoke box and sing my views to him. I love him and I am grateful I get to say those words.

    There are days where sometimes I see him and we say some great one liners to each other that go deep and resonate in each others souls. We despise each other some days, it’s most likely due to the fact we are run down from our duties as parents, partners, sons, daughters, friends, income earners, LIFE!

    But I cannot give him up. EVER. And the day I get married to him and join the ‘legally married clan’ I will add that moment to the ‘privileges’ list that I have.

    To ALL the single women wanting to get married. Don’t take TOO much notice of Tracey McWhatever McMc. Maybe, just maybe, you can keep her points in mind but hey I will admit to the following:

    When I get my period: I’m a bitch. – he still loves me – in fact he buys me a chocolate bar.

    I’m shallow – you should hear my one liners about my partner’s character when we’re in a heated argument.

    I’m selfish! Gawd dammit I am and I need to be, every now and then.

    Hell I was even a little SLUTTY when I first met my “husband”. One wine, two wines, three wines – Jack be limbo, Jack me quick!! – ;)

    I’ve read her list – and I’ve been every one of those ‘moments’ with my ‘husband’. But hey – he still around and we still muster up the courage to say ‘I love you’.

    Besides, once you are married w. babies. You’ll be calling all your single girlfriends for a night out sans the family life.

    Great article Jamila. Always love reading your posts.

    http://motherhoodherald.blogspot.com.au/

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  24. Emma

    From when I was very little my dreams in life have always been to get married and have children, and at 22 it’s absolutely no different!

    The amount of times I dream about my wedding one day (even though I’m currently single haha) is absurd! But what upsets me more is that a few of my close girlfriends always get so shocked and cranky when they hear me say this. Ive just graduated uni with a great degree and am starting my first full time job but don’t really have any major career aspirations with that and this really disappoints them!

    Just because my life goals are different to theirs I don’t bring them down and yet they think it’s okay to do that to me and tell me it’s not using my brains? I also find it a little offensive as my mother stopped working after she married my dad and became a SAHM and so they’re almost saying what she chose to do with her life wasn’t as good as going out and getting a career!

    Everyone wants different things in life and that is something that should be praised because we’re alllll individuals! Life would be monotonous otherwise :)

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    • kaufman

      I agree 100%. I’m 18 and my deepest desire is to meet a man and have children with him. I’m currently single and a lot of people seem to think that this is not a worthwhile ambition – somebody even asked me why I’d want to “ruin” my life. I don’t see it as ruining my life. I feel offended because I don’t judge other people’s life choices or values, why should they judge mine?

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    • Anon

      Haha i’m loving this young people’s opinion on marriage cause it’s exactly like mine!
      I’m 19, and I seriously don’t comment on mamamia that much but I really wanted to for this because honestly marriage IS my life goal. Kids too. That’s what I really want, i’ve never been an ambitious career person.

      I am in a relationship, I don’t know if I am going to marry him, but I definately wouldn’t waste my time with him if I couldn’t somewhat foresee it!

      Maybe it’s because more mature aged women often write articles about the difficulties of having children or finding a life partner in their 30s/40s/50s that really makes me want to not wait to do these things because one day it may be too late.

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    • K.

      It would be great if Mamamia did an article about this, as I and I’m sure a lot of other young women feel the same.

      I’m 28 and in a serious relationship, but not engaged. I went to a fantastic school, got a great degree, and am working in a really great job, but deep down, I would absolutely love to be a SAHM. If I’m lucky enough to get pregnant, I am absolutely hopeful that my partner and I will be financially stable enough for me not to work anymore. I want to be at home with my kids, and drop them at school and pick them up everyday, look after my husband and cook amazing meals every night. I just don’t get the satisfaction from a career that I would get from raising my family, and yet I also get negative comments from my girlfriends almost as though I’m shaming the sisterhood.

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    • Anonymous

      Bit of a tangent here.

      There is nothing wrong with this attitude, but I think that it’s the elephant in the room that is never adequately addressed by gender wage inequity studies.

      If a percentage of women are focused on exiting the workforce when they get married and/or have kids, then that percentage are going to be less focused on their career. This lack of career focus is likely to manifest as a lower salary, dragging the average salary for women down.

      I’m not saying that this is the sole contributor to wage inequity, but I’d argue that it’s a significant one. Numeric stats just don’t measure this attitudinal influences.

      There’s nothing wrong with the goal of being marriage and kids, but my advice to my daughters will be: Maintain your ability to be financially independent or you might find that you’re not happy with the amount of self-determination that you’ve given away.

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      • seriously

        Sorry, why should I not get paid the same as a person with a penis for the same job? Because of my physical ability to give birth, which I was born with? How discriminatory.
        I plan to take a break from work when I have children, but in every moment for every week in every year I have been at work I have been utterly focussed and dedicated and worked with the companies’ interests and objectives in mind, nothing else. I have given 110% of myself to every task and project. Also, I give about twice as much dedication and effort than the man seated next to me whose child is about 12. Your insinuation that he somehow outperforms me is offensive, and your argument is greatly flawed. Women ought to be paid for the work they do, not the plans they have which may or may not eventuate in the future to parent. By your argument, women should be paid for the fact they have reproductive organs that gestate and birth a child and maybe will utilise that someday. Who is to say men won’t be the primary caregiver anyway? As women are paid less, often it is their lower salary that is the deciding factor in who stays home – it makes more financial sense. Men get pad more, thus have an incentive to keep working and not take parental leave (or not as long anyway as the female counterparts). I am sad you are teaching your daughters to just accept that they will have to make concessions because they have vaginas. I hope they become CEOs, business owners and/or employers and provide equal pay and paid parental leave to both genders, and blow this mindset out of the water. Then everyone will have financial independence, and be free to choose and not worry.

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        • Anonymous

          Woah, I knew that my view on this would be provocative to some, but didn’t expect such a passionate response.

          I didn’t use the word penis, let’s take gender out of the matter entirely for a quick example. Take 2 men, both working as accountants. One man wants to excel at accountancy and wants to strive the quickest path to partnership in his firm.

          The other guy is working at accountancy just to make ends meet. He wants to be a pro surfer. He arrives a bit later to work than his colleague because he’s had a morning surf and occasionally leaves work a bit earlier if the swell is good.

          Who do you think is going to progress faster within the accountancy firm and get paid more?

          My point is solely about focus. If you’re less focused on your career than the next person, then it is really likely that their career will progress more slowly.

          If I can paraphrase the comments that I responded to, they’re saying ‘I’m more interested in becoming a SAHM than I am in becoming a CEO’. Women with those goals are likely to be less hungry for promotion and less promotion means less pay.

          And…you’re sad that I’m raising my daughters to regard their self-determination and financial independence as important?

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    • Anonymous

      Bit of a tangent here.

      There is nothing wrong with this attitude, but I think that it’s the elephant in the room that is never adequately addressed by gender wage inequity studies.

      If a percentage of women are focused on exiting the workforce when they get married and/or have kids, then that percentage are going to be less focused on their career. This lack of career focus is likely to manifest as a lower salary, dragging the average salary for women down.

      I’m not saying that this is the sole contributor to wage inequity, but I’d argue that it’s a significant one. Numeric stats just don’t measure this attitudinal influences.

      There’s nothing wrong with the goal of being marriage and kids, but my advice to my daughters will be: Maintain your ability to be financially independent or you might find that you’re not happy with the amount of self-determination that you’ve given away.

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  25. guest

    My marriage did not work out. I am sure it was wrong from the start. Now I just want to be with the right person for me. I want to have a family life – me, husband, my children and to accept any more children if we should be so blessed. To me, that would be perfect. And to have fun together on the weekends doing our favourite crazy stuff. To be with someone you are completely happy with , so compatible with would be the greatest joy.

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  26. Kate

    Lots of comments here claim feminism has made it difficult or shameful to aspire to marriage.
    I think this is a real insult to feminism and its legacy.
    It can be awkward and embarrassing for both women and MEN to say they would like to be in a relationship and feel loved.
    I think the reason is that at times when we’re alone, we can feel lonely or dejected, perhaps even unattractive. These are very personal feelings and its not feminism that made them personal and hard to own up to!
    I know plenty of fabulous men who are single and have found they’ve wanted a relationship and not wanted to broadcast it. And it wasn’t feminism’s fault they wanted to keep it under wraps!

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  27. guest

    Great story. Yes! what I really want is love. It would be great to be married. Perfect. To be with the one person I want to spend your life with. It’s very old fashioned and out of date. Funny how it is almost taboo to mention it. But I think we all crave the person that we are a perfect fit for. I know I do.

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  28. kahlapreston

    I really enjoyed this article, Jam. It’s actually quite relevant to a lot of conversations my girlfriends and I have been having lately.

    I know very few people who have considered marriage as a ‘goal’ up until now – myself included. My focus has always been on education, travel, friendships, and following my career dreams – marriage/long term relationships/children was just something I assumed would come along at the right time. (Ryan Gosling, I’m waiting. Any day now. No, really. My door is open…)

    These days, there are numerous people I know who are either getting married, or for whom marriage is a likely event in coming years. Is it one of my goals? Not necessarily, although I do like the idea of getting married, or at least being with someone forever (a childhood filled with Disney movies can’t not have a small effect on a girl’s expectations :P ). Perhaps, eventually, it will be.

    Regardless, I think it’s perfectly okay to admit that marriage is a goal, or a hope, and that women – and men – shouldn’t be judged harshly for it. (Yes, there are men out there who also dream of marriage). It’s not anti-feminist. If someone’s biggest dream is to get married, so be it – that mightn’t be your cup of tea, but someone else will happily drink it! ;)

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  29. liz

    I think there is a lot of home truths in this article. The single women I know in their 30′s who are wanting to get married are shallow, conceited, superficial and have a list so long of what they want . Sometimes i think they need to have a good hard look at themselves and question why they are void of a ring on their finger. They also do need to bring something into a relationship without expecting so much from a partner. A home, wealthy bank balance, a holiday house, a eye catching car etc…

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  30. Thought I'd be married now

    Posting under a different name for this comment.

    I’m 45. I thought I’d be married by now. I’ve never lived with a man. There was only one I’d've considered it with but it never happened.

    I thought I’d be married by now, maybe had a child or two. I never met anyone I wanted to have children with & now it’s too late. I’m coming to terms with that, slowly but surely, but sometimes I still think about those babies I never had. How I’ll never look into eyes like mine, experience the highs and lows of motherhood.

    I thought I’d be married by now, that I’d be sharing my life – good and bad – with another person. I’d be coming home to a home with another person cooking in the kitchen, stretched out in the couch, cleaning the car. Another person to do things with; shopping ( fighting over tea towels in Ikea) holidays, dinner, the movies.

    I’m 45 and I’m not married. There’s no one on the horizon. I haven’t been in a relationship for 8 years. rSVP hasn’t worked. All the men in my age group are either looking for a much younger model, divorced and bitter, ‘not as described’ or just not right for me. E harmony hasn’t worked either. All of my friends are in relationships so I have no wingman. I’ve tried evening classes & volunteering. Nothing.

    Married friends think they’re being helpful when they say “it’s not all it’s cracked up to be” but that rings hollow unless they’re running for the divorce court.

    I’m not stunning but I’m not hideous,I’m smart, funny, intelligent, solvent. I have friends. I’m not socially inept. I’m not a shallow angry slapper.

    “It’ll happen when you least expect it.” Sure. Now, pass me that frying pan so I can belt you with it.

    I’m lonely. I have a life but there’s a massive piece missing. That’s about it, really.

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    • Me too

      I feel for you and I can relate, except I was married and have had a (now adult) child. I divorced 15 years ago and just presumed I’d remarry and have at least another child. At the end of every year I’d tell myself that I’d have a partner by the next Christmas, but it just hasn’t happened. And at 49, there won’t be any more children. I won’t patronise you by telling you someone will come along, but I do wish you the best.

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    • Hugs

      I’m so sorry to read this. I really hope you find someone to fill in that missing piece. Hugs to you

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    • Unmarried as well

      Wow I so hear you Thought I’d be Married Now. I’m also 45, never married, unfortunately no kids. It’s been hard to accept and I have my moments when the childlessness really gets to me. I tried on my own but that didn’t work either. Just wasn’t meant to be.
      Marriage certainly was never a goal of mine. I wanted to study, work, travel and I wouldn’t have changed that.
      Most friend’s weddings I’ve been to have now ended in divorce. Maybe I’m just too independent to have settled with someone who I wasn’t sure about. I would like a best friend to share my life with. I have friends, work, house etc but it’s all a bit empty without a life partner and commitment.
      I’ve now spent so much time without a partner I’m not sure I could adapt to having someone around me regularly.
      We’re not inadequate without a man, just make the most of who you are and what you want to get out of life. You can still have an incredible life without a man.

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      • Thought I'd be married now

        I don’t feel inadequate, apart from on the odd occasion when I’m down in the dumps.

        Sex hasn’t been mentioned here (if it has I missed it). Human contact is important. I haven’t had sex in eons, or even kissed or held another person. You don’t have to be married for that, sure, but its an unpleasant side effect of long time singledom.

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    • A bloke that thought he'd be married now

      Well I’m a 38 year old. I’ve used RSVP, Oasis Active and E-harmony. But woman would see my picture and well that was it, gameover, block enabled.

      E-harmony from it own database would match me to women that I myself had “chosen” who were also on RSVP and Oasis Active. I’d be hit with the double whammy. I’d hand pick those on RSVP and Oasis only to be rejected. Then jump on E-harmony to supposedly be matched to a truly compatitible woman; but only to be watch someone I had already “chosen”. Ha.

      Anyhows, ‘Que será será, whatever will be will be’

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  31. Just Saying

    I have always suffered from an acute case of FOMO – aka – “Fear Of Missing Out”.

    It has dictated most of my life choices up until a few years ago.

    And it wasn’t till I hit 30 that I even realized this. Turning 30 – unmarried, single, with no house or baby was way more confronting than I thought it would ever be.

    I had to make some life changing decisions about how I wanted to live my life for me, and not live the life my friends and family wanted for me.

    I came to realize that I only wanted to get married to get the social assurance that I was a desirable, successful woman in this society. It’s hilarious to me now because pre-30 I was sure I was going to die if I didn’t get married.

    But now, I’m really not sure why other woman even get married or aspire to it at all. Marriage is used to abuse, constrain and control woman in developing countries and the “wedding industry” in western societies exploit couples financially.

    I’m just not sold on the idea anymore.

    But the craziest thing is that I too read the article on Huff Post last year. I was so bloody curious about Tracey McMillian that I even bought the e-book “Why You Are Not Married” and wikipedied her and everything.

    I read it twice. She is great writer. But really it should be re -named to “How to be a Good Person” as most of the advice is very general anyway and could apply to almost anyone.

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  32. Kate Hunter

    I know some terrific girls in their 40s who would love to be married, but for whatever reason, it hasn’t happened. They are not slutty, shallow, bitchy or selfish. They just haven’t met the right fella at the right time. I’ll also say this: I know a few girls who are married but feel lonely and unloved. Marriage can be great, but it doesn’t automatically guarantee happiness.

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    • Anon,

      I too know some girls late thirties/forties who still lament as to why they aren’t married but in the next breath reel off a list of “requirements” that include the right shoes, hot, earns more than me, owns his own home, will take me O/S once a year and on it goes. I keep saying to them that when you are married and a true crisis comes along such as the loss of a family member or God forbid a child you will not be worried by any of this. You want a kind, loving and decent man (and maybe just a little smidge of hot for you) I know this because I have been through this. I love my girls but it is no great surprise to me, my husband or most of our circle of friends that these incredibly accomplished and attractive women remain single.

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    • redqueen

      Have to agree Kate! I’m nearly 50 and it never happened for me but I have a good life and marriage wasn’t my only goal. If it happens, nice if not that’s fine too :)

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    • Anonymous

      It is never a case of just not happening. The reason is simple, it wasn’t a high priority for them. It is actually quite easy to meet someone., but the number of people who have no idea how (or too much pride) to actually go and find someone is amazing.

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      • Thought I'd be married now

        Oh, thanks for that. It wasnt a priority for me, it seems. It’s easy to meet a person with whom you want to spend the rest of your life. I’m too proud, it seems. Right.

        You should write a self help book.

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      • lala

        well blow me down, I’ll just pop on out to the 7-Eleven then… BRB

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      • Alice

        It’s easy to find someone…if you’re happy to marry just anyone who will agree to be in a relationship with you, rather than someone you actually love. That doesn’t really sound like a reciepe for deep and longlasting happiness and satisfaction for anyone, but rather, a reciepe for divorce and/or misery!

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  33. girly

    I’d love to be married! I am 25, and I am hearing all about the people from school getting engaged or having children. I get all shocked and say “Wow, they’re doing all these things young!” only to stop and realize that this is a normal age to do those things.

    That’s when I started to think I’d like to tie the knot, too. I don’t care what anyone says. What I choose to do with my life is no one else’s business! I do have to wait, though. My boyfriend has just started his uni degree so won’t be for a while yet.

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  34. Not related

    Sorry to write an unrelated comment here but why is the Mamamia shopping site closed? When will it open?

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    • Lucy Ormonde

      Hello! We’re exploring a few different models for shopping at the moment but we’ll keep you updated. I’m the meantime, if you’ve to any customer concerns you can contact Nicola on 0406 923 860 :)

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      • Not related

        Thanks for responding!

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  35. Kathy W

    Well, I’m at the other end of the marriage argument, having been married at 28, divorced at 44 and now hoping to form another partnership. Boy, it’s a wilderness out here, guys, when you’re over 50 and hoping for someone else who floats your boat and vice versa.

    The men I meet in my E-Harmony defined demographic whine and complain that they can’t meet anyone. Here is why they can’t.

    1. They’re Angry – the ex’ took the house, the car and the kids’ – back in 1995 – and they’re still not done complaining.

    2. They’re shallow – footy, cricket, Foxtel, Friday night raffles, endless complaints about Julia Gillard. That’s they’re live in a nutshell.

    3. They’re a man-slut – and they think that’s okay but god forbid a woman has had over 10 sexual partners. What a ho!

    4. They’re selfish. See point 2 – and add in endless weekends playing golf or fishing or motor bike riding or watching online porn.

    The original article may be tongue in cheek but it works both ways.

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    • Guest

      This was so funny!! I’ve never thought about the reverse side of the coin. I’m off to give hubby a foot massage In hopes I can spare myself from that paddock of studs ;) and I wish you much luck in your journey.

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  36. taramx

    I’m glad that my ‘sisterhood’ is full of women who support each other through all their aspirations and ultimately just want each other to find happiness.
    I don’t encounter many women who either tell me that I don’t need a man, or to hurry up and get married because time is a-ticking (I’m 25, hardly running out of time) and for that, I’m thankful. Firstly, it’d be none of their business. Secondly, I know that I don’t need a man, except maybe to explain to me all the car stuff I don’t get… But I do want a man, and I want to get married and have kids, eventually. Fortunately, my fella is a gem and shares the same ideals as me, and I think that’s an incredible thing. I’m often still bitchy and selfish and shallow. He wants to marry me anyway.

    I’m friends with a guy who makes digs at me anytime my relationship moves forward – when I moved in with my guy, when we talk about the future… It’s like it’s not ‘cool’ to be in love and happy or something. I don’t get it. Why shouldn’t women dream about their wedding day and a life of marital bliss, if that’s what they want? If they don’t want that, that’s perfectly alright too.

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  37. Bannana

    I’m interested that a lot of the comments focus on whether wanting to get/be married and have children is a legitimate life goal. To me, of course it is.

    What irritated me with this article is the presumption that if a woman is not married it must mean she is defective. She is nasty, slutty, selfish It presumes that the inverse is true – if you are married you’re not a bitch, you’re deep (whatever that means!), you’re selfless and you’ve never had casual sex. Well that’s just ridiculous! To define a woman’s virtue or evaluate her character simply by reference to marital status is absurd.

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    • jamilarizvi

      Great comment!

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    • Anon,

      Totally agree. While I have many single girlfriends that may exhibit some of the behaviours in the article and a few more too I know some who are married that would drive me to be sympathetic towards their husbands should they choose to leave. the endless whinging about what their husbands are or are not doing to others has made me stop going to some social (all girls) events as i have always thought the first person they should be talking to is their husbands. I would be devastated if my husband spoke about me like these women speak about their husbands.
      On the flipside I have a couple of single males in my life (inc my own brother) who as they get older seem to think they can and should command the attentions of any woman and she should be blessed to hook up with them. You can’t generalise but I always work on what so many of my elderly patients who have marriages in excess of 50 years say when i ask what their secret is. It is unfailingly the same things, never go to bed angry, give and take, be kind to each other and remember why you fell in love. Doubt many can even remember their shoes!!!!

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    • Think Carefully

      …aaaand maybe one the reason those smart, single, savvy women are single is that they were noble enough not to indulge their coupled sisters’ fellas advances or ‘steal’ them. You’ve no idea of the number of unsolicited ‘come ons’ from (married, with children) acquaintances or ‘attached but want casual fun’ on dating sites (despite specifically stating I will NOT connect with anyone who is involved with someone) both my sister and I have ignored and blocked.

      The women married to or with these creeps are, of course, blissfully unaware. I sleep soundly at night.

      And although I’d like to meet someone great, and I think finding someone and having a family is absolutely a legitimate life goal (although not for me), not having a man in my life has not stopped me living an interesting, fun and fulfilling life thus far (41, omg I’ve depreciated!), nor will it :)

      The realisation of our life’s purpose has many possible paths, it doesn’t have to involve a partner, kids or even sex. Because if you don’t have those things – or you had them and lost them, like many of my friends have one way or another, does your life cease to have purpose? Hell no!! Ask the Dalai Lama!

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  38. Bradley

    Surely McMillan’s article was written tongue in cheek ?????

    It’s done all of the time, you know ! :)

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  39. mylifemychoice

    I also went online and read the full article…. it is definitely tongue in cheek – and a damn funny read. However Tracey does end on a positive note for the “sisterhood”, to be yourself and learn compromise – that is what amarriage is all about – not the “wedding” which seems to be the focus of Jamila’s article (the dress and party). Briliantly entertaining Tracey:) I think too many people on this site take every article so seriously…….maybe another rule should be “lighten up and learn to laugh at yourself”…just my two cents worth :)

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  40. Kateateight

    The Tracy McMillan post is fabulous, clever and true.

    r.e. marriage/not-marriage – if you ignore the distinction that some people don’t want to get married, I think you’ll find that most people do want to be loved.

    In which case this article still holds.

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  41. Anonymous

    My friend Nadia is engaged after many years of dating her fiancé, however he has never put her first. He ditches her for mates and family all the time, everything has been on his terms and he’s been forgiven for cheating.

    He didn’t bother writing any words to say at their engagement party – even though she made a touching speech which he knew he was meant to reply (had notice of this well in advance). It ended up being his best mate that replied generally to everyone as a pseudo-MC. It was quite humiliating. There were ‘jokes’ he made that she was the third wheel between them. No one laughed.

    I’d rather be single than struggle that way. Than fight to be together and feel hurt so regularly. I want someone who’s on my team, not the opposition. I don’t want to convince a man to be with me; I’m not a ball and chain. Marriage should be an exciting step for each partner.

    No one should have to choose between being a married person or being happy. For me, to accept a proposal, it must be both together. I want to be with the man who brings out the best in me, and vice versa. You should enhance each other, and it ought to be an effortless effort. I’m holding out for that.

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    • LD

      Well said. You summed up exactly why I choose to be single until I meet a man that is right for me. I have dated a lot of lovely and not so lovely men but none of them have been what I’m looking for. If I don’t get married I’m not that fussed, I have a lot of love in my life. But I know it will happen in due course, no hurry, I’m just enjoying being young and carefree in the meantime.

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  42. I'm not married because:

    When I was younger I picked either duds or men I was ulitmately incompatible with. I have since not met anyone suitable for long-term partnership or parenthood.

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  43. Lb

    If your goal is not to get married, why would you be clicking on the article and getting offended?

    Those reasons Mcmillan gave are legitimate…and is probably a good wake up call. You could have found the man of your dreams but you could be unbearable to be with. So what do you do next? Hate on men and declare you’re better off alone?

    It all sounds sore.

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    • Bradley

      Hate on all men does go down well with some ! :)

      Your comment makes a great deal of sense.

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      • Anonymous

        I never ever witness this man hate you’re so frequently on about bradley, yet you try to pretend it’s occuring in every article that mentions gender. We’re not bagging men, we’re bagging rape/porn culture/domestic violence, etc etc….and sometimes you ;)

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        • Bradley

          Look a bit harder, Anon. You’ll certainly find it if you go looking ! :)

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          • maxy

            That’s the thing brad – you go looking and looking and looking.

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  44. FuFu

    I love being married. I loved getting married. I always wanted to. More so when I met my lovely hubby. I don’t make apologies for wanting to get married, nor should I have to and nor should anyone who doesn’t want to.

    All these articles re mothering, body images, marriage etc etc etc are doing my head in!! I feel like we’re being pitted against each other. And please don’t tell me not to read them, I like reading articles on this site. I just feel there’s a bit of a theme happening. Can’t we just LIVE AND LET LIVE?? Sweet Jesus. First world problems indeedy.

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  45. Boo

    I think it’s sometimes hard to admit that you would really love to get married because if it doesn’t happen (for whatever reason) then you feel like everyone might look at you with pity. You put it out there that it was a goal and you didn’t reach that goal.

    It’s also a goal that is completely dependent upon another person. If you say you want to become an astronaut then it is up to you to make that happen through hard work, determination and skill. You can’t make marriage happen through hard work etc. It’s a major goal that is somewhat out of your control as it is totally dependent on finding someone you love, who also loves you back and who wants the same goal as you do. If you fail at becoming an astronaut there is usually a reason…lack of funds, not enough marks, discovered it really wasn’t for you…but if you don’t end up getting married it probably isn’t because of anything you haven’t done but rather just through a set of circumstances.

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    • Loz

      Great comment. Really hit home for me.

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    • Sdot

      I agree. It’s like not wanting to admit that you want/are trying for a baby. You don’t want people to pity you if it doesn’t happen.

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  46. Sam

    Really good article Jamila, I agree with you on most of it. I read Tracy McMillan’s article ages ago and it made me very angry. This article, by AV Flox is a really good response to it. http://www.blogher.com/why-you’re-not-married-and-don’t-give

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  47. Bonnie

    I think the problem is what you’re talking about is a wedding and not marriage. Tracey McMillan has had 3 weddings but as she states is not an expert on long term relationships a.k.a marriage.

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  48. anon

    I guess feminism overshadows even love these days judging by some of the responses on here. God forbid if someone actually aspires to get married. How dare anyone love someone enough to just throw caution to the wind and marry. Shocking

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  49. LB

    When i met my partner/fiance, we were both in our early 30s. It took 4 months before i’d say yes to dating him. I was in no hurry to meet ANYONE, so i was quite happy taking things slow. At no point did i hear a biological clock ticking etc. But when we did start to date, we had some very personal conversations over some fantastic dinners out! Within a couple of dates he knew what i did/didn’t want from a relationship and what i wanted for my future, professionally and personally. And likewise for him. We were very upfront. Maybe it was easier because we were from a similar cultural background (something i always said id never do – date/marry someone from my own cultural background). Maybe because we were in our 30s, and at that age, you’re more comfortable stating what you want. But i’ve had this honesty from men on other dates too (all i had to do was ask the questions, and i found that they were happy to be upfront). Which i appreciated. I loved it when guys made it clear what they wanted, and what they couldn’t offer me. If a guy wants just sex. That’s great. If a guy wants commitment, that’s great too. Different strokes for different folks. We’re all at different points in our lives when we meet, and we naturally wont just automatically meet the “one” (if there is such a person…) – ditto for potential friendships. It was easier just getting the “preliminaries” out of the way, so that individually, you could decide if this is what you both wanted. No time wasted, no games played. Just honest truth. I think people, especially women, are scared of being upfront about wanting commitment. Don’t be. Yes, many relationships may not get off the ground this way; but so what? Honesty about what you want just filters out people who may not be suitable at that point in time, leaving you to meet the right guy/girl for you. “Ask, and you shall receive”….And as for whether marriage makes you happy. I wouldn’t know. We did things the other way around – having had twins a year ago! :)

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  50. Anon

    Isn’t feminism all about a womans right to choose what they want to do with their life??? Marriage and starting a family is just another life goal some people aspire too, just like having a career or starting your own business etc.

    So it’s probobly more of an ‘injustice to feminism’ to tell someone that their idea’s on marriage being the only thing to aspire to are ‘backward’, when feminism is supposedly all about a women’s right to choose…

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    • Lulu

      “probobly more of an ‘injustice to feminism’ to tell someone that their idea’s on marriage being the only thing to aspire to are ‘backward’”

      The key word there is *only*. And I won’t apologise for saying that it’s backward to put up marriage as women’s *sole* aspiration – because moving back to the past is moving backward.

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      • Anon

        But is ‘feminism’ really a straight path in which we either move forward or back???

        Why can’t feminism just be a broadening of options for women and their lifestyle???

        So what if someone’s SOLE goal is to get married. Yes, that might be backward for some people, but for people like myself I would say that is pretty spot on. I’m not moving backward or forward… i’m just doing what I want to do.

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