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leggings not pants 380x506 Leggings, gay marriage, drugs and the other lessons you pass on

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From the moment I gave birth to a daughter, I knew this day would come. The conversation was crucial and it would have been negligent of me to avoid it. I just didn’t expect to be having it so soon; she’s only five!

“Darling,” I began gently one day, crouching down to her level to make eye contact as I held her hands tenderly in mine. “Leggings are not pants.”

As her face registered confusion, I seized the opportunity to continue. “You see, leggings are more like tights,” I explained carefully. “That means they’re different to jeans or pants. We don’t wear them the same way.” She regarded me defiantly. “But I like these leggings!” she protested. I remained calm, maintained eye contact, and spoke kindly yet firmly. “So do I darling, your leggings are lovely. They just need a skirt over the top of them. Or a dress. Heck, even a longer t-shirt.”

Reluctantly, she complied and I felt some small satisfaction in the same way I do on the rare occasion any child of mine eats a green vegetable. Mother Of The Year.

Afterwards though, I thought about our conversation and wondered if I’d made a mistake. Parenting is made up of a million doubtful moments like this and mostly, only your child’s future therapist will be able to say how badly you screwed up.

Was it wrong to impose my views about leggings onto my daughter? Had I crushed her little spirit? Or was it my duty as a parent, hell as a woman, to pass on the single fashion philosophy I live by?

Because surely that’s what parents do. Imprint our values onto our children in big ways and small. Share our wisdom. For example, in our household we teach our kids that gay people should be able to marry and that hopefully it will soon happen in Australia. We teach them to have compassion towards asylum seekers no matter how they arrive here and that NO child should ever be sent to live behind razor wire. We teach them to recycle and to turn off lights and taps to help the environment. Since they’re all values my husband and I hold dear, how could we raise our children any other way?

Still, the leggings conversation started me thinking about which beliefs are OK to project and which should be left up to them to figure out for themselves.

Obviously we’ll cross anything illegal or life-threatening off the DIY list. All decent parents teach their kids that smoking is bad and so are drink-driving and sunburn. Seat-belts? Mandatory. Duh.

But beyond those kinds of things, it can become murky. Is believing in a particular religion different to passing on your beliefs about vegetarianism or feminism? What about footy teams? Political parties?

Perhaps it comes down to how you view children in relation to parents. Are they simply an extension of mum and dad, like whacking a sun deck extension on the back of the house?

There are many parents whose boundaries between themselves and their kids are blurred, naming their sons John Jr, dressing their daughters in mini-me outfits or living their lives vicariously from the wings or the sidelines while their kids are pushed to achieve what Mum and Dad never could.

Interestingly though, in many families, God is a growing area of DIY. More and more parents are refusing to send their kids to formal scripture because “they can make up their own minds about what to believe when they’re older.”

Not everyone agrees with that approach. My friend Kate describes her family as ‘submarine Catholics’ – “we surface at Christmas and Easter” – and recently faced the religion issue with her son who railed against being confirmed because he said it was boring and pointless.  “He may have a point, but I put it in sporting terms,” she told me. “I said: ‘Ben, any kid can go to the park and play a scratch game of footy. But if you want the jersey and a regular place in the team, you need to pay your subs and sign on.’  I’ve told him Catholicism is a starting point and later on he might want to switch codes or even drop it altogether, but for now, he’s on the same team as Dad and me.”

Two of my girlfriends have daughters the same age as mine and I asked them if my Leggings-Aren’t-Pants mandate was the wrong message for my five year old.  “I think we instill our ideas into our kids through osmosis and harsh criticism,” one emailed me. “Just like our parents did to us.  I don’t wear leggings as pants but my five year old does and when she’s older, I hope she stops! Children are given so little space to make their own choices. We have to trust that we learnt from our mistakes and they should too.”

My second friend agreed. “I am captain of the Leggings-Aren’t-Pants army for adults but while style can be learned it should start organically. It’s an important part of self-expression.”

Right, well that’s another dollar for the therapy jar.

POSTSCRIPT: I have been more than a little surprised at the voracity of some of the comments below. Particularly, I’ve been shocked and angered by some pretty outrageous accusations that I would ‘body shame’ my child.

Seriously? Many people appear to have entirely missed the point of this post so I’ll spell it out. Clearly, what a 5 year old wears is of little consequence to anyone – even me. The issue I wanted to explore was the way parents – consciously or unconsciously- project their own values and beliefs onto their children.

The leggings conversation was merely a superficial springboard into some bigger questions. My tongue was firmly in my cheek. My daughter was unscathed.

Some of you have asked why I have a problem with leggings as pants (if it’s not a body issue, then what?) and I’ve had to have a think about that! It comes down to this. For me, it’s a bit like saying “underwear isn’t a swimsuit” or “your knickers go under your clothes not over them” or “don’t wear socks with sandals”. Just some pretty basic parameters that I apply to dressing and wish to pass on to my children.

Is it a big deal? Of course not. But as I often do in my writing about parenthood, I wanted to shine a light on my own p0tential failings as a mother (is it appropriate to pass on fashion philosophies? what about policital or social ones?) in order to be honest and authentic and explore a bigger picture.

 

 

Do you have particular values that you pass on to (or plan to pass on to) your kids?

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  1. LuckyK

    The problem with the “leggings aren’t pants” argument is that it is based on people’s sense of “decency”: what parts of a persons’ body are deemed acceptable or attractive. While it’s not on par with freedom to express political views or to choose your own religion, there is a freedom of expression issue here. While I doubt anyone goes into this much premeditation when getting dressed, wearing leggings as pants is a reflection or expression of one person’s comfort with their own body and/or belief in the practicality of wearing leggings. I once heard an academic (who’s name I forgot) point out that you have the right to freedom of expression, but you do not have the right to not be offended by other people’s expression. Therefore, I believe that I have the right to express my own comfort with my body by wearing leggings as pants as I wish without being relentlessly put down for it. That’s not to say that you can’t have your own opinion about it, but I think that the “it’s not fashionable and it makes you look ugly” argument against leggings as pants verges on making people feel ashamed of expressing their comfort with their own bodies, and that’s a little unfair. Your being offended by the sight of a persons body should not be a reason for them refraining from wearing clothes that they find comfortable, any more than me not liking the way a baggy shirt makes your body look should stop you from wearing that shirt. Because it’s not my business to dictate what you should wear.
    This DOES become more complicated when one considers whether or not to pass on values around these topics to a child, and to be honest, even the “leggings are not pants” anecdote was only intended to be an example, I think it’s an extremely good one: it’s a seemingly minor issue that can have deeper implications and a really great example of the dilemmas of raising a child.

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  2. Loop

    Wow at some of the comments. Especially the reply blog posts and some of the comments on those posts, from people who OBVIOUSLY have not read the original post.

    No wonder a recurring theme at Mamamia is the ‘Mummy wars’. Give people a little slack with their opinions, people!

    The world will be a much nicer place without you exaggerating what people have said in order to more easily tear it down. That’s called a ‘Strawman’ argument, and adds very little to any sort of debate.

    Take a chill pill, please, then return with something constructive to say about what is actually written … not a hyperbolic message which you have imagined out of a perfectly reasonable post.

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  3. Miss Anon

    Mia, your ‘leggings are not pants’ phrase made me chuckle as we chant the same mantra at the private girls school where I work.

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  4. Anonymous

    Are 3/4 leggings ok with a longish t shirt, and sneakers for dog walking, gym etc and then stopping off at the shops on way home? Beginning to feel like I’ve been making a big boo boo .

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  5. Mandy

    Tights certainly aren’t pants!!!!!! EVER!!!!! but to the bigger question (which by the way was obvious to me) its really a no brainer to the big life threatening/dangerous/things that get you thrown in jail events, you should definitly guide them in the right direction, as for things like religion or politics I tell her what I think but then I also tell her what others think that are contrary to my belief’s – I think its natural for children to want to emulate their parents in most cases so I do find that her thoughts on things are similar to mine, but at least she knows there is another side of things too, I am sure as she grows up she will be confident enough to go with her gut so to speak. PS can I just add that shorts that are shorter than their own pockets should not be worn by anyone either!!! lol

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  6. Clare

    But leggings AREN’T pants! I can’t believe people still argue about this? There is nothing more cringe-worthy!

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  7. That Word Grrl

    I’d say more, but my blog post here sums it up much better. It’s not about your kid, Mia, but about the fact that clothing choices are more than just fashion statements

    http://notyourteachablemoment.wordpress.com/2011/12/24/not-your-fashion-statement/

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  9. Bella

    Mia, I thought the central point of your post was very clear, provides food for thought for any parent. Thanks.

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  10. momentarilyblonde

    Great post Mia! Love the ‘submarine Catholics’- my husband is the perfect example of one even though he was brought up pretty strictly (Catholic Boys School, church every Sunday and so on), whereas I’m an agnostic (christened Lutheran), so the message to our children must be quite confusing at times :) I’m confident they’ll form their own opinion when they are older. The same can be said about political views as well.

    Regarding the leggings-are-not-pants debate I’m quite happy to let my daughters wear leggings since they are still toddler and preschooler. I do however have another issue regarding dressing girls – spaghetti-strap dresses and tops, also tops in general that show too much skin I find too ‘adult’ for them to wear. I simply think that we should let kids be kids and not dress them like miniature adults.

    On a tongue in cheek note; a few months ago my youngest decided to wear underwear on the head while we took the dog for a walk around the block. I tried my hardest to take them off, but she’s a toddler with temper tantrums on steroids atm so for the peace and quite I let her have her own way. Any advice on that one if she persists? :)

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  11. Stella Young

    I read this post on Sunday morning, chuckled to myself, and didn’t think of it again until a friend asked me if I had seen the Fat Heffalump post last night. As I understood it, leggings were not the point of this clearly tongue-in-cheek piece, and Mia was actually questioning whether she’d done the right thing by passing on this particular opinion to her daughter.

    I’m a disabled woman with limited mobility. I use a wheelchair full-time. While I find leggings pretty comfy, easy to get on and off when my mobility is worse, as the Fat Heffalump post suggests, I still don’t wear them as pants. I wear them with long tops or short dresses, and because I spend all of my time sitting down, I feel the leggings-are-not-pants rule is slightly more flexible for me. I’m able to make up my own mind about that, even though I’m a subscriber to the leggings-are-not-pants school of thought. It should also be noted that I am a subscriber to that school of thought because I navigate the world at waist height. I also avoid chaps in bike-shorts if I can help it.

    I actually find it somewhat offensive that the post on Fat Heffalump claims that Mia is making an ableist statement, and implying that she’s passing on ableist values to her daughter, by saying “leggings are not pants”. As a disability activist, I can sniff out ableism a mile away, and that ain’t it. Making such claims trivialises ableism as a form of discrimination and makes us all look like oversensitive nit-wits. I’d prefer it if people didn’t make sweeping generalisations about oppression.

    I wrote a post about wheelchair users not wearing shoes earlier this year, and was dismissed by quite a few people as being judgemental. http://abc.net.au/rampup/articles/2011/03/17/3166342.htm The overwhelming consensus seemed to be that I must not be a “serious” activist if I like nice shoes. Amid all the accusations that I am judgemental for paying attention to fashion, it struck me how often I feel judged by those who don’t.

    Ok, thanks. Taking my ranty pants (well, leggings, if I’m honest) off now.

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    • Rick Morton

      I love your mind.

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    • Mia

      Thanks Stella, of all the many bizarre claims made about me on that blog, ableism was one I wasn’t expecting!

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      • JJ

        I think it’s great that you can use your own life for your writing and put it out there for all to view. So when I see people being so judgmental it annoys me, I bet if thy wrote about heir lives they would not be perfect so suck it up people Mia has balls to write about her personal life . Stop criticizing. Full stop!

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  12. bway

    Funny article Mia. The message was clear – not sure what all this fuss is about leggings! haven’t read the comments as I can imagine what is being said. Love your sense of humour. I’m struggling with my 10 year old Son who wants to grow his hair across his face. Trying so hard to bite my tongue…but I’m hating it.

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  13. mmmm

    I have found this really interesting with my daughters as well. What to tell them and what to let them learn for themselves. After my eldest daughter at the age of two insisted on wearing nothing but pink (which i found extremely confronting) and then also would only wear long flowy dresses that swish to preschool I learnt a few things. My children listen to me and absorb everything I say and I’d rather that power went to reinforcing messages which I believe are important to their future happiness and peace. The fact that they believe they look fabulous in the brightest most garish pink they can find all over is probably not that important in the scheme of things. Also learning to express ourselves and having confidence in our sense of style (ever evolving) comes from making choices and wearing them proudly. I think I was doing more damage by undermining her confidence in what she thought looked great. I also want her to think independently so that while I give them my opinion if they ask I try to constantly let them know it is just an opinion and that other people believe other things. The only things I think are non-negotiable are kindness to yourself and others.

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  14. keli

    Ha how stupid, she is 5 – let her wear what she likes. I love that I live in a world with none of this superficial shit. If my kids wanted to wear undies and gumboots i would let them.

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  15. Babs

    Found on another forum which had posted this article, this comment:
    I copied and pasted so cannot take credit for the sense this woman writes. If you head overtohat forum, most are saying the same:
    “I’d just like to say a big thanks to Mia and all the other mums who have decided it’s important to have a “rule” about not wearing leggings as pants. Because it will be YOUR children who decide it’s a good idea to tell MY daughter that she shouldn’t be wearing leggings on their own, “because my Mum says it doesn’t look nice”. And that will be the start of her long and painful journey down the road of “does my bum look fat in this?”

    My daughter is 5.5. She has thin legs, a flat stomach and a gorgeous perfect bottom. She looks fantastic in leggings and most importantly they are comfortable and great for active play.

    I cannot believe the rubbish that people are willing to indoctrinate their kids with “

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    • Natasha

      Lighten up , maybe because leggings with a t looks ridiculous. Nothing to do with making kids feel uncomfortable with their bodies. Its like wearing tights with a top, looks like she is not fully dressed. I wouldnt let my daughter wear them as pants as too much can be revealed, camel toe is my major gripe as well as the fact that is looks tacky and cheap. Cover with a mini skirt, a dress or a pair of shorts and she is dressed and covered.

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    • Anonymous

      “A perfect bottom”? That’s so odd of you to say.

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  16. Guest

    At the end of the day, so many of you are complaining about so many of us ‘not getting the point of the article’ and that ‘it’s not about leggings’.

    So, if there are ‘so many’ of us not getting it, perhaps that is a lesson for Mia.

    Will just wait now for a condescending reply. That is what happens on this site when you disagree with Mia.

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  17. Justine

    I am both dumbfounded and disappointed by the number of people who have clearly missed the point of this article! As a mother of three young children, I was really looking forward to reading other people’s opinions about passing on their own values to their children as this is something my husband and I discuss quite regularly. Mia, thank you for delivering a thought-provoking article in your usual entertaining style. It is unfortunate that some people have ruined what could have been a great discussion about an important topic.

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    • Kate!

      I dont think people who have objected to the leggings thing have necessarily ‘missed the point’. Their point seems to be that narrow ideals about fashion are not one of the important lessons a child needs in order to develop into a good person, and can even be damaging.

      The leggings thing is simply an example.

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  18. JosieY

    I read the comments (well, some of them) in the hope of seeing how people feel abut what values they pass to their kids. Bummer.

    So I’ll share anyway, be the lonely voice in the wildrness! My children (boy and girl) are being brought up as feminist, liberationist Christians. My 5yo is getting “The Princess Boy” and Ahn Do’s “The littlest refugee” among her Christmas haul this year, and my baby boy is getting “that’s not my angel’ (which for some reason has all girl angels). They are also getting some very hard-to-find Christian books that I think are appropriate (i.e. non gender specific God, no literal takes on bible stories etc). I think this is the kind of discussion Mia was aiming for, and it’s one I would find far more interesting than pants!

    And so’s you know, I let my daughter wear whatever she likes as long as it’s practical. So, no dresses at playgrounds, no sandals in the rain, that sort of thing.

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  19. Carly

    I think I remember wearing leggings up until the age of 5- they did look a lot like pants. I think times were indeed different in the 90s. They were ridiculous. I am now 20 and I find leggings so revolting. The amount of girls who walk around with a little t-shirt or even being stupid enough to wear them inside out is insane. I just don’t get it. It’s like leggings themselves are an easy way out of finding something decent to wear, if I go out I really do not need to see your camel toe. I’m seeing stuff I didn’t even ask for. So go you Mia for telling your daughter straight up about leggings in a polite manner, she’ll thank you for it later and present herself well to the world. I have to say I do love tights they are the best alternative, and there are so many different types you can wear with anything you have.

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  20. carlacoulston

    Wow, how could anyone possibly miss Mia’s point so thoroughly as so many of the commenters below? I’m truly baffled.

    Even if this *were* about leggings – which it’s plainly not – what’s so bad about what she said anyway? I am currently having this very same debate with myself over my 4- year old’s insistence on wearing party dresses every single day. Do I let her “express” herself, in the meantime, flashing her knickers in the daycare playground, ruining her good clothes and being entirely unsuitably dressed for the weather, or do I try to enforce a more sensible outfit?

    It’s a simple parenting dilemma that’s pretty universal I would have thought, and no reflection on “body issues” whatsoever. I found the springboard an apt one Mia, and it’s a pity it has overshadowed the resulting discussion which had the potential to be really interesting.

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  21. Ronnie

    The comments got me thinking…I am a 19 year old girl and regularly wear leggings with long shirts (ensuring that parts that should not be seen are hidden). Is this more revealing than wearing super short shorts?? I think not. But people are fine with this and have read so many “leggings are not pants, only suitable for little kids” posts on this site that I’m feeling rather bewildered…

    Does this mean all the nice people on the street who kindly greet me and smile are all secretly thinking “What the hell is this girl wearing? How inappropriate, weird, etc. etc”. Or maybe we should stop being so small-minded. I’m going to continue wearing leggings despite what people think – although it seems to me that the important people in my life honestly do not care!!

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    • MissT

      When I hear the phrase “Leggings are not pants”, I assume the person wearing the leggings has nothing covering their bottom. There are a few people who have posted photos or arguments about wearings leggings who have shown someone in leggings with a long top or with a tunic over the top, including the blog post by Fat Heffalump linked to within the comments a few times.

      I did not think that’s what the “leggings are not pants” phrase referred to. I thought it was when they’re worn like the below pic, with nothing covering them. Maybe I’m wrong?

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      • picardie.girl

        No, you got it! They should always be covered, at least as far as your bottom. That’s why they’re not pants – you can’t wear them on their own.

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      • 10pm

        Leggings were not considered pants at one place I worked, the basic rule of thumb was: if you have to take them off, would you be appropriately dressed?

        This cancelled out wearing fitted shirts etc, but not dresses or tunics

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  22. umm

    like you, my mother holds herself and others to “pretty basic parameters” that she applies to dressing and ultimately passed onto me. these seemingly harmless parameters can have more of an impact on your daughter than you know.

    for example, growing up my mother often said things like “leggings are not pants” and “you can’t wear this color with that” or “you should wear this to flatter that”, etc. from a young age she dressed me and when she no longer had control of what i put on my body, she heavily implied that i should or should not do certain things.

    these guidelines have severely fucked up my perception of fashion in relation to my fat body. even now as i look back and am able to reflect on why she said these things and how she hadn’t meant to fuck up my self confidence, it’s incredibly hard to get past.

    along with that, this response to your article seems so incredibly valid. i’m sure you’ve seen it, but for those reading the comments who haven’t – very valid argument.

    http://fatheffalump.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/cut-the-snarky-fashion-judgement-crap/

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    • I don't agree

      I don’t think it is valid, really, to say, oh leggings are great for people with reduced mobility. It’s using an extreme example to try to prove the “argument” wrong. I notice the author doesn’t wear leggings as pants in the proud pink photo, but rather underneath a tunic/long top. I think the author has some issues, really, that go beyond leggings.

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      • umm

        that’s just one point out of many that were discussed. and even so, leggings really ARE great for people with reduced mobility. try telling my grandmother who has been restricted to a wheelchair from the time she was 16 that leggings are impractical and she’ll likely bitch slap you.

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        • CA

          how did your grandmother get pregnant in a wheelchair….?

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  23. AN

    Maybe, to make it perfectly clear for people who aren’t very bright, it might be best to limit the setup to a par, par and a half at most, then refer back in the last line. There are a lot of pars dedicated to leggings in the piece, and even though people *should* be able to work out what the point of it is, I can see how it is easy to be distracted by leggings talk.

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  24. Cordeline

    Oh my giddy aunt.

    I haven’t read through every single comment, but I can’t actually believe that anyone would think this article is about leggings…

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    • Rick Morton

      I wonder if it would have received the same reaction if Mia had written ‘potatoes are not pants’ instead? I dare say everybody would have nodded their heads sagely ;)

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      • Cordeline

        You’re a funny bunny.

        I actually couldn’t even formulate a proper response as I was too bewildered at the reactions from so many. A response about values to pass onto my children that is, not a response about my view on leggings :-)

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    • Elky

      I know!

      You’d think by now that people would know that Mia is sophisticated enough to use a dose of humour to set up a debate about a bigger issue – and to give her audience the benefit of believing we’re smart enough to get what she’s doing.

      Meanwhile … leggings ain’t pants …

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  25. Jo

    Finally!!! Thank you Mia! No. Leggings are NOT pants. It’s about time someone helped a sister out xx

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  26. austflaneur

    I have an 18 month old daughter and often thank the heavens for her gay god-father who will teach her all things fashion (he gave up on me years ago).

    I don’t even know how to go about teaching her the bigger things, or whether my way of thinking is the “right” way. My husband comes from a different culture and we often clash in ideas. So which to pass on to her?

    As for legging as pants – I loathe the trend. Under a cute skirt or dress, they look great. As pants, I see way too many lumps, bumps and cracks. Similar to the male trend of showing their undies by having their trousers under their bum. What on earth?

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  27. Ian

    Leggings are pants.

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  28. whatahooha

    I bought a pair of “silver” leggings online (WHY?WHY?) which, when they arrived, were a shiny grey, and managed to hilight every tiny bump of cellulite and muscle so that my legs looked rather like the surface of the moon.
    I chose not to go with this.
    I have cut them off at bikeshort length and now wear them under skirts/dresses when I walk to school, so that my thighs don’t chafe.

    Leggings, as underwear. noice.

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  29. amy

    Dear Mia,

    After reading the comments, it appears you could have written “Leggings are not pants. Discuss” and saved yourself a whole column! :)

    What a whole lotta craziness over nothing. Some people like leggings, some people don’t. And that’s OK! The world would be a BORING place if we all agreed on everything.

    xx

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  30. Jayne

    Oh lordy – Mia, ignore the puzzling and nasty comments, they appear to have missed the point. It says more about the commenters than what you said.

    On another note – Leggings aren’t pants – they just aren’t. They are also almost universally unflattering. The earlier this is instilled the better I say! hah!

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  31. fed-up and opting out

    I am a fairly new reader of Mamma Mia and while I have enjoyed most of the articles I have often been annoyed, upset and puzzled by the nasty tone of some comments.
    I really enjoyed today’s story about leggings and thought it was a bit of fun at the end of a fairly stressful day. Then I read some of the comments – I couldn’t read them all! So now I am making a promise to only read the articles and never again read the comments.
    Mia, I have been a journalist in the print media and I’ve also been on the receiving end of some vicious mail. You are to be commended for carrying on in the face of the petty, ridiculous and downright mean people who taint what I see as “a good read” on a regular basis.
    As I work from home I was hoping Mamma Mia would help fill the social aspects of the office that I was missing – I guess I should be careful about what I wish for. Sadly there are too many occasions where the online versions of the office witches suck all the fun, joy and light heartedness out of any subject. So, I’m leaving them to it and good luck to those of you who continue to challenge them.

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    • Claire H

      I agree FU&OO. I decided a long time ago not to read the majority of comments, definitely determined by the articles subject matter (you can usually pick the articles that are going to incite the “crazy”). I usually just read the first few and move on. Waaaayyyy too much nastiness which is a real shame because I have also read some really inspiring, intelligent and beautiful comments. People are strange.

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  32. Luciana

    Wow! What’s with all the haters and humorless folk here. Body image? I don’t think so…nobody likes a camel toe and I’m always grateful for hints and tips from my mother and grandmother when it comes to fashion and what looks good……anyway it was a very humorous opening to the real point…all these mothers an their mortified faces need to relax and be able to laugh at life and children and Mia’s posts…

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  33. Ruth

    All I know is that men should definitely not wear leggings.

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    • Anonymous

      Or skinny jeans! But that’s a whole other topic…. ;)

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  34. The Writings of Ava Jones

    This has been rather entertaining… Very funny.

    Firstly, as has been said a million times in the comments above, I think people are missing the point of the article. Either you didn’t read it properly, or you just didn’t understand it. Mia didn’t exactly turn to her daughter and say “hunny, you can’t wear leggings. You are too overweight/fat/not the right body shape”… Mia simply explained that she doesn’t think leggings should be worn as pants by ANYONE – fat, thin, tall, short, young, old… doesn’t matter.
    Secondly, anyone who knows ANYTHING about fashion would understand Mia’s point of view. There has recently been an influx of leggings worn as pants, and it is just not a good look, on anyone. Sure, go to the gym in your leggings. Lounge around the house in your leggings. But they are not supposed to be worn out in public as pants, which is why they are often referred to as tights (although technically, they are slightly different)… Even when I wear leggings around my house, they are accompanied by an oversize t-shirt or jumper… Bums should be covered at all times. It is why the Jegging trend is such a disaster.

    Basically, leggings are unflattering on everyone, and it is not just that, similar to what was said in an earlier comment, it is like wearing underwear under clothes, or that bras are not bathers, gloves are not socks… that sort of thing…

    This will not affect her child’s body image and how do I know this? Because I have struggled with my body image my whole life, and it was certainly not because my mother told me my skirt was too short, or that pink stockings were not fashionable… Body image isn’t about what you wear, it is about how you feel about your actual physical body – so telling her daughter to wear a skirt over leggings, or that leggings are not pants, will not affect this… Those of you who are saying “let a child wear what they want…” would you let your daughters outside in stockings with their underwear showing? Or twould you let your young son walk outside in pink tights? Probably not. Not that there is anything wrong with that but because that is YOUR opinion.

    Game… Set… Match… Now, move on and just remember… Leggings are not pants…

    http://www.thewritingsofavajones.wordpress.com

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    • ClaireC

      I’ve let my son wear a fairy skirt over his jeans to the shops when he was little, what’s the big deal, and if he’d wanted to wear pink tights I’d have let him do that too.

      My daughter wears leggings as pants, and who gives a toss. I’m glad I live in the country and not in one of the big cities where children seem to be dressed as little fashion victims a lot of the time.

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  35. Alice

    Let’s face it, leggings are a fashion trend which we will regret in the years to come. The only people who can possibly get away with wearing leggings are 3-year-olds and Miranda Kerr. Anyone who argues otherwise is deluded or blind.

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    • 10pm

      yes, it is history repeating…

      Little did I know that my favourite outfit as a 12 year old – leggings with black and white checkers and an oversized aqua blue hyper-colour t shirt – would make me twitch involuntarily when photographic evidence was produced…

      God, I am inwardly groaning even thinking about it now…

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  36. Essie

    I think leggings look cute as pants on little kids – especially if they’re from Pumpkin Patch!

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  37. Thank you!

    So, so, so glad to see this article today. I had to reprimand a fully-grown member of staff last week for wearing leggings as pants – AGAIN – after having been told numerous times that it wasn’t appropriate office wear. And they are NOT PANTS!!!!!!!

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  38. missamoo

    I learnt what i know about fashion in the beginning from my mother and then from fashion magazines. Do i match my nailpolish to my lip colour? Sometimes. Does my handbag match my shoes? rarely and i certainly wear blue and green together with NOTHING inbetween. I went to a Catholic school from beginning to end i am currently a “Collapsed Catholic” with a massive disgust for organised religion. I danced my whole life the last 20 professionally so i wore leggings or tight A LOT but i still know that leggings are not pants. I often got asked “is that what you are wearing” very clever code for “i don’t like it/it’s inappropriate and i’d like you to change. It taught me to understand how to dress in particular situations. I have many things to complain about in therapy but my parents trying to raise 5 kids is sure a hell not one of them. if i look at what there parents did and how they got through no one is perfect (except me of course!!)

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  39. Comment sections are the devil

    Forget the haters Mia!
    This was a great post, a real-life situation that provoked an interesting thought process for you. Sharing those moments is what Mamamia does well.

    I am a journalist too and sometimes people write horrible stuff in my comment sections as well, and I know it’s not as easy as “pffft, forget ‘em,” but just remember that this is a great site and comments sections are where people reveal the nastiest sides of themselves.

    People get way too confident when they can hide behind a keyboard and a computer, and would probably never have the guts to say anything like this out loud to someone’s face.
    Don’t let it get you down!
    xo

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  40. Kathy

    The main bits of nastiness and hostility I’m seeing in the comments are of people making fun of someone making a leggings comments and condescending comments about how they either don’t have lives, need to lighten up, didn’t understand, missed the point, are too focused on one part of the article.

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  41. An Idle Dad

    Ha! Great postscript. My example was – is a bikini suitable businesswear? – but your examples are great too.

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    • anony aunt

      But we’re not talking about business wear. We’re talking about a five year old kid being told by a rather pretentious mother she isn’t allowed to wear leggings because they offend mummy’s fashion sensibility, for god’s sake!

      Mia can act all affronted and hurt and pull out the old “but they misunderstood me” line but the truth is she has written something that to many readers is going to come across as judgemental, hypocritical and just plain obnoxious.

      But anyone who dares say so is flammed as a “hater”. Sheesh!

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      • Anonymous

        Your comment is so much more obnoxious than anything Mia has written in this article.

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      • An Idle Dad

        Her point was it was a trivial thing to do, for goodness’ sake!

        I like that you claim to be unjustly called haters, yet happy to throw around insults like “rather pretentious”.

        Personally, I’ll take the pretentious who question themselves over pearl clutchters any day of the week.

        I doubt you let your five year old kid wear whatever they want. Your outrage is manufactored.

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        • anony aunt

          I don’t have a five year old any more but actually I think I did let her wear anything she wanted. What would a five year old possibly want to wear that a parent would object to?

          Tutus, mini skirts, princess dress ups, pussy cat ears, shorts, tacky high heels she got from an easter show showbag. We’re talking about a five year old kid!

          (Ok so she walked past a local bondage shop when she was little and wanted to wear a rubber suit to her book week parade, but that was a special case.)

          But seriously, we are talking leggings people. LEGGINGS. On a five year old. What is possibly, possibly offensive about leggings on a five year old? And what sort of parent even THINKS of saying you shouldn’t be wearing them?

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          • gypsy

            But seriously we aren’t really talking about leggings. The leggings statement was merely to make a broader point about what we teach our children.

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          • An Idle Dad

            You draw the line at bondage outfits. Mia draws it elsewhere. It was trivial! That was the point!

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            • anony aunt

              man, someone is having a bad day….

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      • Guest

        Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Totally agreed.

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  42. Guest23

    The leggings part of the post was debated so much… because:
    1. It made up 2/3 of the whole post, not just a little intro. It then ended on the legging topic. It was a main part of the post and perhaps more thought should have been taken in choosing that analogy.

    2. It’s the same topic that has been raised before on this site

    3. People are sick to death of hearing so called fashionistas pushing their limiting beliefs onto kids, and for that matter, on to grown women, who can make their own choices without judgement

    4. Judgement is a sad sad thing, and whether the leggings was a light hearted way to introduce a serious concept, it failed. This is because, it is not light hearted and fun telling a child that they are essentially ‘daggy’ or should be ashamed of chosing a pair of leggings, which do not matter in the real scheme of life.

    That

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    • Kathy

      Thank you! That was very well written!

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    • Mia

      Hey Guest23,
      The use of the word ‘judgement’ to silence people is very old and very tired.
      I make a milllion judgements every day about what I deem to be right, wrong, appropriate, inappropriate etc.
      I imagine life without making any judgements would be a fairly paralysing one.

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  43. erko

    I’m sorry to focus on the leggings aspect of this post BUT I grew up in the late 80s/early 90s when leggings were worn as pants and what’s more we wore patterned ones with matching sweatshirts and headbands until around the age of 10. surely a five year old can wear leggings as pants?

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    • afd

      That’s exactly what I thought when I read this! Yes, in the early (to mid?) 90s, it was perfectly permissible – fashionable – for a young teenager to wear leggings as pants, and I did! Woudln’t now, though. Definitely think leggings are OK for my toddler though!

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  44. Stephanie.

    Mia, i loved your post- it really is tragic that people did not take the article for what it is.
    Everyone in my family adored it.

    Ps: Leggings arent pants, and i do not have kids but as a 22 year old who is extremely into fashion I would be telling my kids the same thing.
    My parents and I always discuss it.
    I have friends who wear leggings as pants and I am quick to tell them also. But they contuine to wear them even though they know everyone can see through them and see their ass because they believe they are “comfy”.
    Each to their own.

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    • Guest23

      I would have probably said the same thing when I was 22 and had no kids.
      Fortunately, I have grown up and can see how innocent statements can cause harm and years of therapy.

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      • Stephanie.

        I understand your point, however Mia, other readers and myself are talking about the item of clothing not anything more. We aren’t saying that she’s fat, not good enough or ugly, mia was just stating that she doesn’t believe leggings are a pair of pants. My parents always told me if I looked ridiculous and I’m thankful for it!

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  45. TDF

    Goodness, I think your lucky your little girl wants to wear leggings as mine wants to be a nudist!

    Mia, some people just like to whinge about anything, don’t sweat the twits who couldn’t see the point of your article. It WAS pretty clear!

    And for those grown ups who wear leggings as pants – it is wrong, diddly, wrong WRONG! They ARE like tights or stockings and you DO need to cover up the top, because no matter how lovely your figure is, no one wants to see your twat! I don’t even see how there could be a debate over this??!

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  46. gypsy

    Hi Mia, rest assured there were plenty of us that read this post and took it for what it was. Shame you had to write a postscript and yet again defend yourself and more so, defend your writing style which I personally love.

    Question re your writing style (this is from a non writer so apologies if it is a silly question). But does your writing style have a formal name as such? I’m thinking of doing some writing courses and I’m wondering if your style is because you are who you are or it is a skill you’ve learnt?

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  47. InKL

    I’ll answer your question Mia. The values we pass onto our kids:
    - politeness, say please and thank you and even if you have forgotten someone’s name (like an adult) you must look them in the eye when you say hello and goodbye.

    - be kind to others and don’t laugh at them if they have hurt themselves

    - listen to your friends, really listen

    - actions speak louder than words

    - be responsible for yourself and your things. Once we give the children gifts, etc, they are responsible for it. So if they leave it lying on the floor and a younger child picks it up and ruins it, then there is no-one else to blame. The object doesn’t get replaced either.

    There will be other things, but at ages 6 and 3, the girls are getting it and seem to be socially responsible little beings.

    Behind closed doors of course, is another story….

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  48. E

    As per the reaction to a previous post involving leggings where many readers had a ridiculously defensive attitude, I find it amusing (and a bit troubling) that people are so vocal about taking a pro-legging stance. I wonder if they have the same level of commitment to the environment, poverty and education?

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  49. MissV

    Loved your post script (and actual post) Mia.. Shame that so many people didn’t get the point of the article and instead chose to read it merely at its superficial level!

    xxxmissvxxx.wordpress.com

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  50. Jess

    I do hope you didnt think i was saying you body shame your child Mia. I never meant to imply anything. personally, i really loved this article =)

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