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UPDATE, WEDNESDAY: Part Two airs tonight at 8.30pm. Don’t forget to tune in and check back here to continue the conversation, ask more questions.

UPDATE: So you’ve just watched the first episode of ‘Go Back to Where you Came From’ on SBS and, it was stunning right? It doesn’t matter which side of the debate you’re on. Fascinating stuff. The show’s Twitter hashtag #gobacksbs was trending worldwide which is an amazing achievement. So, what did you think? Tell us below. We’ll keep this post on the main page for the final two episodes tomorrow and Thursday night. Let’s try, like the show does, and keep the judgment to a minimum…what are your hopes for the characters? Do you agree with them, recognise them in any people you know?

Also, if you have any more questions for series director Ivan, I will be chatting to him again so pop them in the comments and I’ll do my best to ask them.

“I need to touch your heart … if we do not touch your heart, you do not see us. We are not animals. It is a problem for the world. It is a problem..”

These are the words spoken by an African man living in a squalid refugee camp in one of the pivotal scenes of ‘Go Back to Where you Came From’, a triumph of documentary film making that airs on SBS tonight at  8.30pm. It’s compelling. It’s a must watch.

It’s compulsive viewing for the same reasons the national debate on refugees is: there are no easy answers. And the search for what scraps of truth and meaning in the debate is never predictable.

Here is a television show that mixes documentary insights into the life of refugees with the character drama of the best shows going around. The only difference is, it’s not scripted. Certainly not forced. Go Back to Where You Came From takes six ordinary Australians – a life guard, a horsewoman, a country music singer, an unemployed woman and so on – and asks them to go on a confronting journey in reverse. From meeting refugee families that have settled here in Australia, by boat and otherwise, and then tracing the steps back to Africa, Jordan and Iraq, through Malaysia.

Most of all, it’s a program that does not judge. We shouldn’t either, though may be tempted with episode one tonight as one volunteer proclaims: “I don’t like Africans. You go to Blacktown … and now it really is Blacktown.”

Another says she cheered when the boat crashed on Christmas Island earlier this year, killing more than 50 asylum seekers. She says: ‘serves you bastards right’. This volunteer lives next door to a detention centre.

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Raquel, a volunteer on the show. From Western Sydney.

“I could go over there right now with a gun and shoot the lot of them. I don’t care how hard it is where they came from, I don’t think they have the right to come here and demand – demand – all this freedom,” she says.

But these are people who deserve credit for being curious enough to search for answers in tough conditions, and on national television no less. The three part series (which continues tomorrow night and finishes on Thursday) will develop character arcs that will astonish you. Importantly for the credibility of the show, not everybody will change their minds.

But they do change their perspective.

Volunteers start the show visiting settled refugees in Australia, on their couches and in their homes. It’s an easy transition into what is to come: a leaky boat journey from Darwin, witnessing an asylum seeker raid in Malaysia and navigating the vast refugee camps of Africa and the horrid injuries of bomb survivors in Jordan, where many Iraqi refugees have fled.

There are real moments of tears, for the volunteers and likely for most of you watching at home.

Mamamia spoke with series director Ivan O’Mahoney from Cordell Jigsaw Productions, who oversaw production for SBS.

Q: The volunteers on this show, these are people many of us would know. This was clearly intentional?

A: “We spent four months on finding the right people alone and spoke to 700 altogether. But we didn’t want to put an open call out. So we went to town hall meetings debating refugee issues and spoke to people, and we went to Cronulla beach where the race riots happened and spoke to the lifeguards there. We walked up to people and said: how do you feel about this issue? We needed to find people who had strong views but whom were willing to challenge their own views.”

Q: What’s noticeable about the show is the lack of judgment. Was that important to you?

“Critical. Look, it’s very easy to criticise from the anonymity of a laptop screen. Part of me wondered why our volunteers would ever say yes to this show because of the reactions from people out there when it airs. But it takes a lot of guts to back yourself and your opinion and we owe it to those on the show to listen to them as they discover the context they are looking for.”

Q: What are you trying to achieve with Go Back?

“A debate without the vitriol from either side. We went into this with the intention of talking about a completely polarising issue without actually using polarising people. Both sides of this debate are very unforgiving with each other, very black and white, and what we know is that it isn’t this way at all. It’s grey from top to toe. Yes, we were searching for empathy but the bigger thing we needed to find, and I think we have, is nuance.”

And the nuance changes people. This moment in the documentary makes it worth watching alone:

“I would do anything to improve the life of my own children and I think if that meant getting on a boat I would probably go ahead and do it. If it means taking a risk, their whole life is a risk, so what’s one more if it means freedom? I honestly never thought I would say this. I never imagined how bad life could really be. It’s degrading. The sun comes up and goes down and nothing else happens. They just have to survive and that is all they are doing because it certainly isn’t living.”

Powerful stuff. Tonight, 8.30pm. SBS.

Will you watch? What do you think of the concept? Where should we take the debate from here?

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    Con Touriki

    The show shows the trials and desperation of the refugee and pushes the boundaries of human exceptance ” Imagine if We were them” we do the same thing to get to a gravy train welfare and handout goverment.
    They never looked at the Boat refugees and where they got the money to run from there country? to board a Payed ship to bring them to Australia? And when i worked in Africa a true refugee that leaves there country who has to leave there belongings in the midst of the night to leave to another country doesnt have a cent to there name? The truth of this show is to soften the australian public so the “So called Adcovates who represent the boat people can make more money from there hardship” and a refugee that pays to go to a country is not a refugee? as has money to pay and is a finacial oppourtunist refugee if at all is there basis of loosing there passport or fogetting there name when they hit the imigration department interview as in 3months some times the imgration takes to find out who they really ah and gives the advocate time to establish a court case with the tax payers money .

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    David

    This program is fantastic. What i find hard to believe is this young girl who agreed to go on the show, cannot handle the real life of refugees. Very sheltered and instead of trying to understand does not want to be there use the toilet etc. What on earth is happening to the young people. I blame her parents for sheltering her. Imagine not working but has money for smokes. Gets on well in Malaysia but says she enjoyed what happened in the factory where they found refugees.
    If she is like most young people in Australia and a catholic who swears like a out of control feral we have a bad generation coming up and I hope parents open the eyes of the young and instead of letting their kids stay at home do as many did go out get a job and flat and when they find life hard, look back at this program.
    I lived in the outback of Thailand and it is amazing how people don’t live but survive. It should be what everyone should do be part of this and realise how lucky we are.
    Well done SBS

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    Anonymous

    I don’t understand why australians are so afraid of being overrun by refugees or immigrants. I do understand that you do not like people living off of your tax-paid-welfare. But the fact that these people can’t work is a problem of your integration policy, not a problem of immigration.
    I live in Germany and we have 80 mio. people packed in about 3,5 Mio m², while you have fairly 22 mio. people in a country 20 times the size of Germany!
    So you certainly do not lack room for these people and if you educated them properly instead of putting them in mass camps they would not be a problem for society but a benefit.
    Furthermore you are far away from being taken advantage of by refugees. Australia is one of the developed countries who take in the least amount of refugees and immigrants, compared to canada, the U.S. or certain European countries.

    And really, initially you all were immigrants. But maybe that’s the reason why so many of you seem so upset. Maybe you fear that you might suffer the same fate as the Aboriginies and become oppressed by those horrible refugees?

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    Su'aad

    I’m from somalia growing up refugee camp I get Rap two times I was just 12 year old gril, after 21 years I’m still sufaring. is not easy am tell you is the most horrible leaving life i every see. Australia People don’t tarekat this poor poeple they have so much to tell if you close to them they’re just looking for home and good way of leavin.. take time to know them.. i will put my pics for what they did to me

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      Antria

      Thanks for sharing your story, I’m sorry you had to have these experiences.

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    Kate M

    I just watched the first episode and it is so interesting.
    I’ve emigrated to Germany nearly a year ago and whilst I am in no way comparing my privileged existence to these people’s, I want to express the following:
    I got very depressed missing loved ones.
    My degree isn’t recognised here which is very humbling and frustrating.
    I had no German. EVERYDAY tasks are difficult and embarrassing when you don’t speak the local language. We take language for granted so it’s absolutely overwhelming when you don’t have it.
    I had no friends.
    Someone below has said that these people don’t get jobs.
    It has been so embarrassing/humbling/stressful being really desperate for work (and I have a qualification) and not being able to express yourself or find a job. Having such limited language skills, you sound incompetent. The employer does not have the time to care. Your self esteem suffers immensely.
    Luckily I “look” European so I blend in. I remember being on a trip to Vietnam and feeling very self conscious as a white, freckly giant.
    So basically I felt lonely, incompetent, unemployed, bored, restless, lacked confidence and it was really hard.
    It was very interesting for me to experience being an immigrant and I wish all people could go through this.
    What these unfortunate human beings endure is beyond our imagination.
    It is our responsibility as human beings to help other human beings. We simply have to.

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      Rick Morton

      Ja wohl!

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        Kate M

        It took me about 5 minutes trying to decipher what I thought was young, hip persons slang (ja wohl) before realising you were responding in German. Not used to seeing Deutsch on MM!
        Ha ha.

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    larry

    send them all back i say.

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      Anonymous

      I agree, there are thousands waiting to legally enter the country in refugee camps. Why do these people feel ‘entitled’ to skip the queue? If we continue to ‘process’ them here and allow them to stay we are sending a clear message that we are soft and anyone can come here.

      I feel sorry for the children arriving by boat and they should be removed from their parents for child endangerment and the parents charged.

      And if some people think we are not paying for this they are delusional – $750 million this year alone…. perhaps if the government broke it down, made it a ‘refugee’ tax on our tax returns you would see the impact it is having on our economy and taking away from the badly needed infrastructure.

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    MW

    I wouldn’t mind people coming and finding refugee in our wonderful country, but when they arrive here I would expect they abide by our laws, and live or follow our way of life to an extent. The same way we would when we go to their country.

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      Mabol

      MW, they do on the whole abide by the laws of our country – and I’m not sure what you mean by ‘follow’ our life’? I’m an Australian by many generations, my Grandad’s ancestors were Irish convicts, my most recent (immigrant) ancestor was my Grandmother who came from Scotland. And I do not by any means fit the stereotype of an Australian – should I emigrate somewhere else? And I don’t see many people following Aboriginal rites and customs – they are after all the first Australians. We are a western liberal democracy which means that we value freedom and the diversity to live your life as you wish as long as you are not harming anyone or breaking any laws. That *is* our way of life.

      And I’m not sure how much you have travelled but most people from Western developed countries seem to me to be the least likely to follow customs and cultures of countries they move to. They often congregate in large expat communities – and although the expat people I have met are often wonderful and interesting people, very few seemed to speak the local languages or genuinely adopt the customs in the countries they live in.

      By the way there have been ethnic Chinese in Australia almost as long as Europeans – Australia is a country of immigrant, we have never had one ‘way of life’. It makes us one of the most diverse and interesting people’s on Earth – Multiculturalism is our strength and it is our heritage.

      “We are one, but we are many – and from all the lands on Earth we come – we share a dream to sing with one voice, I am you are we are Australian.”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD3SkTyXzcE

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    Anne

    Can this show be screened on Channels 7, 9 and 10 now??

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      Leyla

      Agreed. It seemed to be preaching to the converted!

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      Eva

      What a ridiculous point.

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    Lynelle Morrison

    Fantastic program, i hope Australians are touched and challenged as i was.
    Could we replicate this program with Indigenous Australians?

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    AB

    It is a shame there was no footage included on the vist inside Villawood. The participants looked quite stressed when they were being interviewed afterwards. Was there no time to include footage or was it not allowed? Likewise, there seemed to be no footage of the red zone in Iraq. Was that not allowed?

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    John Phillips

    Incredible show. I am ashamed that Australians can be so racist. We as dictated by Howard invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and caused the peoples much hardship and pain not to mention horific injuries. Our borders should be open to all these people who wish to come. Likewise the Palestinians as we no doubt were in favour of the creation of Israel. I have been to the Palestinian Territories and Jordan and you can not meet nicer people than the Palestinians

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    natalia

    we can help all we like, but there are millions to help not just a few. If you want to suffocate Australia with refugees that is fine and well but remember dont complain when this country becomes congested.

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      Anonymous

      why cant their countries be fixed up properly or these people educated with the millions celebs get paid to look good to make their places more livable. Why cant these middle eastern men put on a uniform and fight their own wars like our grandfathers instead of risking their families lives in boats to push in on others who have been waiting years to get here leagally.

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        Michael

        They do fight wars, or people close to them do. That’s often where the problems start. Unlike our grandparents the wars they fight aren’t in someone else’s country.

        Celebrities get paid exorbitantly to look good because that’s what sells clothes, make-up and entertainment to superficial people like ourselves – not images of poor people.

        They’re not educated because, well, it’s hard. Your own spelling and grammar is a testament to that.

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          Anonymous

          Good point, Michael. I totally agree, although it’s “testimony”, not “testament”. :)

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      Anonymous

      totally agree , how will it be when you or your child is unable to be helped at hospital because it is so overcrowded or you cannot get your child in to already full kinders and schools their are so many factors involved and it is awful to see children desperate and suffering but is it our doing. Should we be made to feel guilty for this problem . There is so much to be considered before opening the floodgates.

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        Michael

        Oh dear! I wasn’t aware we had reached our quota of doctors and child-care workers. You’ve totally changed my mind with your poorly articulated and barely punctuated rant.

        I’m kidding though. Well done.

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        Lyn

        Sounds very narcissitic and selfish thinking. Can’t we share paradise?

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          natalia

          Sure lets share the paradise, but if we do, it wont be paradise anymore. With the lack of public housing in Australia, congested public hospital system and schools in need of funds, we will find ourselves suffocating surely but slowly. These millions of people are not just our problem. When do we put a hold on allowing so many into our country. Lets look after the unfortunate people we have here already. We need to house them first before we overflow our country will more people. Firstly make them come here legally, line up and for the queue jumpers send them back where they belong. We are not a charity case for all.

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      Michael

      Have you ever seen a map of world population densities?

      Have you then, ever seen a map of world bogan densities? Perhaps not, but I would suggest that Australia is already stuffed beyond it’s fair share of bogans.

      Perhaps you should take Raquel with you…

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    Kris2040

    I’ve only had the time to watch the first ep, but I’ve been really bothered by one of the participants comments. When Raye was talking about the gaol next door, and said “How dare they demand freedom” (or very similar). I just can’t understand how anyone can get to that way of thinking. Isn’t freedom a basic human right??? Or am I missing something?

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    Damdi

    I feel for these refugees I really do, but it’s not our country’s responsibility to support these people.

    I have no objections for these people coming here and making a good life for themselves and getting an eductaion, what I do object, is them coming here and sitting on welfare that my tax paying dollar is supporting.

    I live in an area that has alot of African, dark coloured people and I do not see any of these people in jobs. They are out and about all hours of the day and night. There are 10 people living in a small flat and the whole block of flats if full of refugees from one end of the main road down to the other end.
    I have yet to see one African , Sudanese, or Somalian ,in my area ,behind a cashiers register or working in a store. There is not one !!!!

    They come here and take advantage of the system.
    As for our detention centres I am not sure how bad it is in there but I dont think it is as bad as where they came from.
    These people cause riots and hunger strikes because they are not happy with the living conditions in the centre’s but I cant imagine it being worse than where they previosuly were.
    At least they are same from rape and getting killed. There is no gunfire and threat to them. They have food to eat and clean water to drink.

    Australia has enough immigrants that are sucking us dry and not contributing to our economy, so should they go back to where they came from ?? YES they should !!!!!!

    Centrelink gives them opportunity for education and skills but they choose not to take it.

    Since they arrived in my area crime has gone up and the value of property has declined.
    No-one wants to live in an African based community,unless they are African.

    DO I feel sorry for them and what they’ve been through? YES..
    Should my tax paying dollar support them ? NO !!

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      Kazg

      Damdi – your thoughts are a good example of our complex thinking and problem solving based on incorrect facts. You say you sympathise with refugees and their plight but don’t want your tax dollars spent on them being unemployed etc… The fact is, on balance, our tax dollars aren’t being spent on them..until they have gone through a long and humiliating process. Most of the “refugees” you see in your area aren’t yet classified as refugees. They are assylum seekers or here on temporary protection visas and they have access to…nothing. No centrelink, no medical insurance, no study allowance..nothing. Most of these people exist at the mercy of extended family and friend networks and with assistance from Not For Profit organisations (with the princely assistance of a $25 shopping voucher every few months). They are not allowed to work until a lengthy process has been followed (sometimes up to 6 years – after which unsuccessful asylum seekers will be deported) – they are not even allowed to volunteer to help build skills and language. Far more of your tax dollars are being spent on keeping people imprisoned in detention and on patrolling vast tracts of coastline to keep out refugees than on assisting refugees to transition to a new way of life. I would hope that if I found myself as a refugee..people would have enough compassion to understand me and what i need to be able to pursue an equal freedom. I am hoping that’s what this doco is doing..but some people’s attitudes are difficult to shift..particularly with so many assumptions still out in the public domain.

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        not mia

        Don’t get me wrong I do have sympathy for these people. I mean is’nt that what this show was all about. Basically so we did feel sorry for them? It was aired on SBS, the ethnic channel.. I am not a narrow minded person but I have one question: if we let all these people into our country eventually in years time wont our country just become like theirs? I also live in an area where there are many Africans, asylum seekers they must be. There are about 20 or 30 of them in and around my unit block. They just hang around all day doing not much. So apparently they have no money and live of food vouchers ect. Tell me someone then why do they wear more gold jewellery than the queen and wear all the latest expensive sportswear and shoes everyday they were different clothes all the men are dripping in gold bracelets and necklaces. Did they get vouchers for Michael Hill too?? Just a question..

        Before I get attacked by being heartless or whatever, I am not stupid, or racist. I am genuinely wondering why? I did watch that show, mainly because Mia told me to, on Twitter. I agree with most things she says but not this, I just really cannot see any benefit for the future Australia if we let these people into our country. People we know we are a nice country I do not think we have prove it. I mean it is going to get to a point (if it has not already) when they are going to just start taking advantage.

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          Damdi

          Not Mia – I totally agree with everything you have said and it was well said.
          In years to come our conutry will become like theirs and we will eventually conform to their way of living.
          At the moment it is headed that way.
          We let them practise their beliefs and customs in public. The more this is allowed the more that is demanded.

          And yes how is it they can afford Nike & Puma and all the jewellry they wear?
          Did they infact get a voucher from Michael Hill? Did centrelink give them vouchers for their Nike & puma too?

          KAZG

          I disagree with what you are saying. I have seen these people in centrelink myself, when I was unfortunate enough to lose my job some yrs ago and they were collecting payments not food vouchers.

          Yet I was told i had to wait 8 weeks to get my first payment and I wasn’t even entitled to a weekly travel concession card. I have been paying tax for 15yrs and can’t get any help when needed, yet these boat people have priority over me?
          If they are have no money as you say, who is paying for their rent? What extended family do you think they have here? There is no Non proft organisation that is paying for their upkeep, it is our tax paying dollar that is funding that non profit organisation. They do not survive on the generosity of donations.
          Like i said I have no objection to asylum seekers at all as long as they are wanting to help themselves and get a job and better their lives .

          I totally feel sorry for what they have been through, i really do but it is not our responsibility to support them.
          It is not our fault their country is in the state it is.
          We cannot be responsible for everyone or everything , other than ourselves.

          If you feel so strongly about them, as i think you do, then open up your hme to help these people so they do not have to go into detention centres.
          I am sure you will be welcomed for offering your assistance.

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            paddym

            What are the chances of a “Malaysian solution” being used to deal with asylum seekers now? If Australian’s care as much about people as they obviously do about the cattle sent to Indonesia, there will be an outcry and a demand that Australia’s government and opposition change it’s view and reach out in a humane way to those in need. Just as we did after the Vietnam and Kosovo wars. Wouldn’t that make us feel proud to be Aussie again.

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              MW

              and my money is on that you voted Labor in the last election, possibly every election, the same government that once ridiculed John Howards asylum seeker policy, the same one I hear some fractional members of the Labor party NOW supporting – Nauru ringing any bells???

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            paddym

            To damdi, The presence of Africans in a Centrelink office does not prove that they were receiving payments: interviews are confidential, payments are not made over the counter so it is remarkable that you had this insight into their status. Maybe they were “legitimate immigrants” or “legal refugees” or simply unemployed taxpayers like yourself. Illegal refugees are not able to access health, education or welfare and until recently those released from detention centres had to pay back to the government the cost of their detention. Call this privileged? My experience & knowledge of refugees from those whose children I have taught and my observations of the Timorese, Asian, African and Middle Eastern people in my suburb are not yours. If you start from ignorance even your guesswork can become truth.

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              MW

              are you joking paddym?!?! What on earth are they doing at centerlink… I have never stepped foot in one (Centerlink) and really don’t know why I would need to go unless I was unemployed. You’re deluded if you think they’re there for any other reason other than hand-outs.

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          Kate C

          The “ethnic channel”? I prefer to think of it as the channel catering to those of us who live in The World.

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          Anonymous

          Very fortunate that you are born and Australian then isn’t it? Lucky you weren’t born in a country where you might want to flee to Australia. Sorry to those that aren’t so lucky, or could we just be a little less judging?

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      Salah

      Damdi,

      Please remember that Australia was partly responsible in the War in Iraq, which caused more than 100,000 people to die and more than 1,000,000 refugees.
      The war was not legal, based on lies (we all know about this), but still John Howard decided to go to war.
      Thus, Australia has some responsibilities for the Iraqi refugees

      Regards
      Salah

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        Damdi

        We were not resposible for the war in Iraq. We were sent there to try to stop it. Get your facts straight.
        John Howard is an idiot for sending troops in to fight a war that has nothing to do with us.
        The middle East should be left alone to fight it out amongst themselves .
        It has nothing to do with Australia or the USA and any political leader sending troops in to try to stop that war is an idiot.

        I’m sorry your country is at war but we did not start it, you started it amongst yourselves.

        We have no responsibility towards your people in anyway at all.

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        Damdi

        We are not responsible for the war in Iraq. We were sent in to stop it.

        John Howard is an idiot fro sending troops to fight a war that has nothing to do with us.

        No-one should get involved in that war. Your country should be left alone to fight it out amongst its own people. Evetually you will all blow each other up anway.

        Thats what happens in un-educated countries like Iraq. We are in no way responsible for your people, not in any way at all.

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          Kate C

          Congratulations. You just went from ignorant to offensive. Well done.

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          Jane DJ

          If no one had bothered to get involved when Japan bombed Darwin you may well have been born in a refugee camp yourself Damdi.

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            damdi

            dear Jane dj
            We should not be involved in other countries political business. However on our soil we need to be involved and defend ourselves.
            Now you sound like an uneducated person for that stupid comment you just made. You cannot compare defending Australia to sending troops to a country to stop a war that is not ours??????
            If you feel so strongly about contributing, maybe you should apply to ADFA they are constantly looking for recruits.

            cheers

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      Eva

      Bet you don’t pay much tax.

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    An Idle Dad

    Is there going to be a new article now all three episodes have aired?

    Time for that interesting discussion!

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    Another Immigrant

    Just watched the last episode and wondering if there is a connection between the issues at the detention centres, and the level of desperation that makes people chose to arrive by boat as opposed to other ways. I imagine, if you’re in a situation where a dodgy boat is your last resort, you must emotionally and socially be in such a state of desperation that nothing matters anymore. You leave your mind and sanity in the hands of a number of people who may or may not have your best interest at heart, and possibly have nothing left to help you ‘behave’ in a positive, thankful way when faced with yet another hurdle – years of waiting for an answer of whether you’re safe or having to continue living a life in fear and persecution.

    It was a great show, I’d also like it to get picked up by one of the other channels, although I doubt there is a great chance of ‘haters’ watching… Education, Education, Education!!!

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    Nat

    Ok people, I’ve missed all the episodes and I’m annoyed (sick children in my house and hubby is away). Does anyone know if they will be shown again?

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    elle

    urgh cant stand the guy with the red-ish glasses..otherwise this program is so amazing !!!

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    Amandarose

    Thank god Raquel came good. I really think at such a young age this will have a huge impact on her future. I wish her all the best

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      Rick Morton

      Bravo :)

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      Kylie

      I agree completely – I really thought she was going to be lampooned – I wonder how she fits back into her ‘old’ life now? Can’t wait for the special next Tuesday!

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        Michael

        She was and is being lampooned, that’s why she made such a turnaround (even if it was totally insincere). Further lampooning may be required.

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    Anonymous

    Is it just me or does the music make anyone else think that Eddie McGuire is about to introduce Millionaire Hotseat?

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      JohnJames

      Yes. This documentary didn’t need a soundtrack.

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      Maj

      Yes I agree – music made it feel like an episode of Border Security. They didn’t need to ramp up the drama with emotive music. The people and conversations were enough drama by themselves. The music made me feel like they were trying to manipulate me.

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    Brisvegas

    Watching the first episode now, horrific!

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    Michael Green @iGo2Group

    We did some work on what was being said on Twitter – tells a story on Go Back To Where You Came From !

    http://igo2group.com.au/blog/go-back-where-you-came-from-sbs-on-twitter/

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      An Idle Dad

      How funny that “Mia Freedman” appears so highlighted in the word map.

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    Kerr

    I actually had a nightmare last night about living in a refugee camp. I’m not a total novice either as I have spend time in refugee camps in West Africa. Things look different to me now I have a child though and the one thing that got me last night was those women with tiny babies. Imagine being so out of control of your child’s safety, options, nutrition, education… The horror of not being able to protect your child, I can’t imagine, but i would do anything.

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    Anonymous

    Ah, Raquel, is that your heart melting a little bit?

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    Kris2040

    Just saw a tweet from SBS – they’re repeating the first ep tonight at 9.30 on SBS 2, if you have digital tv and missed it.

    I’m going to watch the first two eps today.

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    bandboys

    I haven’t read all the comments below so I apologise if this has already been discussed. I am curious what is in it for the ‘volunteer’s? Watching it last night it just seemed to me that Raquel in particular is so unhappy and uninterested and I am just curious why on earth she would agree to be part of this ‘social experiement’??? Are they being paid or something? Is it just the lure of 2 seconds of fame and some free travel (not sure that going to a war zone would be much of a lure!).

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      An Idle Dad

      Hey B-and-B-Boys,
      They are not being paid as far as I know. SBS visited places and monitored websites and identified outspoken people with strong views on the topic, then asked them onto the show.

      For example, the horse riding lady was approached by SBS following her comments at a town hall meeting near her home. They asked if she would be willing to have an in-depth experience that could challenge her views.

      They interviewed 700 people and selected the 6.

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      Venuse

      I was so angry listening to the comments from Raquel. She has no emphaty for anyone. Bloody unemployed whinger! I rather support a refugee with my tax money than a bludger like her! She seem to think that the show was about her and not something that we all should be aware of. She can’t eat this or she can’t sleep here, she can’t candle it, she’s an Australian and does not belong there. What the hell was she expecting??? 5 star hotel? They don’t come here because they have it good over there. Silly selfish unemployed bum. People like her make the rest of us Aussies look bad!

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        the Original Camille

        the classic comment from her in the refugee camp in Congo:
        “I can’t handle this, I was never brought up like this.”

        Does she think that some people chose to raise their children like this? Or that repeated expriences like this make it EASIER to cope with more???? What a bimbo.

        While I respect her decision to be involved in this, I felt like shouting at her all along the way: “you can’t handle this for ONE NIGHT- how hard is it for everyone else who has been here for years?????”

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      Christy

      My thoughts exactly, that is why I came online just now. What do they get out of it? Haven’t read the other comments, so hopefully someone will have an answer.

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    JohnJames

    Aaarrghhh! This documentary is still killing me.

    On one hand, its exposing of the conditions in the refugee camps and the treatment of refugees is so important…but the use of these 6 people to try and prove some point…well, I’m not sure what the point is anymore…that some people are simply incapable of empathy…or that some people live in ivory towers…? How does that help the plight of refugees?

    I am so over these people now…I just want them off the screen…I just want to hear and see the stories of the refugees themselves without all the focus on the 6 volunteers…I’m not learning anything more by watching the volunteers than I would by simply seeing the stories of the current and past refugees…

    Last night’s episode was incredibly powerful and moving…but not because of the volunteers….but because of the refugees…that’s why I still don’t like this documentary…the use of the volunteers just takes focus away from the real story…to paraphrase Bill Clinton, “it’s the refugees, stupid”…

    This documentary should and could be much more powerful…it could have been much more like the 4-Corners story on live animal exports…but the “reality program” style of this program and the focus on the volunteers is trivialising the real story of asylum seekers…

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      bowerbird

      J-J, this is why I’m starting to think maybe the show is less cliched and predictable and obvious than people have been assuming. You say you’re not learning anything by watching the volunteers, but I think there is an opportunity to learn something – about the volunteers. That IS important, because, rightly or wrongly, our treatment of asylum-seekers is a massively political issue. The policies of the major parties have been driven by popular opinion (setting aside the way politicians also influence public opinion). There are a lot of people who think the way the volunteers do. The question of how and why they form those views is a compelling one, and any insights into if/how they might change are critical to policy development in this country.

      The difference between this and the live animal export story is that it seems we are much more deeply threatened by people than we are cows. Its not “the refugees, stupid”, its us.

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        JohnJames

        There’s one interesting fact about the issue of asylum seekers…while the reporting of Australia’s attitude to asylum seekers gets an enormous amount of press, when asked what issues are most important to voters, the polls always list things like the economy and education at the top of the list, with the asylum seeker issue not regarded as not as important….

        This is why the focus on asylum seekers by the opposition and the Govt is strange…not saying it isn’t important…but I don’t believe that most Australians are anti-asylum seekers

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          Yes, that is interesting. Perhaps its to do with the fact that governments need to actually achieve something tangible in order to get traction on things like health and education. The asylum-seeker issue is a bit different – politicians can get a lot of traction with a bit of dog-whistling. They tap into something that is latent and stir it up, apparently with great ease. This is certainly what Howard did way back in 2001. It might not be what people put on top of the surveys, but its still been a pretty powerful force in politics.

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      No- I think the volunteers help add focus on OUR response and empathy as a nation with refugees. I hope they get it by the end of the series. I liked how the attitude changed for the majority of the volunteers as the confronted the reality of refugee life.

      The reality is we are a racist nation and seeing it on tv is good as it helps us see what we have to deal with and the people within Australia we have to deal with.

      Does it make you sick seeing people enjoy catching people for just working? It was horrendous to watch. But as a nation we do it all the time. In the bogan world I live it is a majority opinion. It makes me sick. I couldn’t even get my husband to watch it as he has no feelings about these issues. The every day Australian switches off as it is out of their experience or concept of life.

      It appears as a nation we have more feeling for Cattle. We need to she this and discuss it and I think having the volunteers adds that detention.

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        JohnJames

        I don’t accept the notion that Australia is a racist country. I come from a working-class background…and although I now live in an affluent suburb, I grew up in the Western Suburbs of Sydney…and most of my family live on the NSW Central Coast and are, quite frankly, bogans…

        I’ve also worked in a wide range of industries (Govt, private sector, social welfare, law enforcement) and with people from a wide range of backgrounds…and I can honestly say that 90% of all the people I have ever known in my life have not been racist in any way…I think this idea that the majority of Australians are racist is a stereotype and a generalisation…

        And, like Bob Hawke, I don’t think we should underestimate the intelligence of the electorate…I honestly don’t think that most Australians think that asylum seekers have it easy…seeing the confronting images in this documentary may still be eye-opening because of the graphic nature of what has been shown, but I think most people would have a rough idea that this is what life as a refugee is really like…

        I don’t believe the 6 volunteers are an accurate representation of normal Australians.

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          Amandarose

          You know much nicer people then I do.
          I don’t think Australian are racist towards individuals- but they do have strong opinions about race that are very similar to this. Australians don’t think they have it easy but the do feel threatened in particular by Muslim people. The Cronulla riots proved that point. The big thing about Australia day these days is also a sign.

          Even those who are more sympathetic have strong views on “boat people” and the unfairness they feel about jumping the line.

          I hear these comments day in and day out by otherwise caring people.

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            JohnJames

            Agree with you on people’s strong view on boat people…my personal views on boat people are complex…and this documentary has not cleared up my mixed feelings about boat people (with the exception of not wanting people to be sent back to Malaysia)

            Disagree about Cronulla – Cronulla is a strange place…demographically it is the most “anglo-saxon” population in Australia…for some reason, new Australians have never settled there…I don’t like the Cronulla riots being used as an example of “racist Australia” because, like the volunteers in the documentary, I don’t think you can use Cronulla as being analogous to the rest of Australia…

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          Maj

          I dunno I think Australia is quite latently racist (like lots of places around the world, it’s not like we’re the only ones). So much so that most people don’t recognise their actions as racist.

          I feel however that it doesn’t help to just point and accuse someone of being racist – that isn’t going to change their actions. I think we saw that with Racquel in the show. To be honest the public reaction to Racquel to demonise her hasn’t sat well with me. I think it was great that the show was able to show how someone with the views that Racquel had is challenged and how they react. It’s not easy having your world view and privilege challenged so dramatically, and most people react in a defensive way when this happens. Difference is that most people don’t have a camera recording the turmoil of this and show it on national television. So yeah, the pious pointing, mocking and insults I’ve seen thrown at the contestants by oh so witty hipsters on twitter has annoyed me.

          To me a large part of the show was about how we can communicate and challenge ourselves outside of the petty slogans and straw man arguments that have dominated this discussion in the public sphere.

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            JohnJames

            “I dunno I think Australia is quite latently racist (like lots of places around the world, it’s not like we’re the only ones)”

            Yep – I think every country and every culture has a background level of racism…what I don’t believe is that Australia’s current level of background racism is higher than most other countries…I think it used to be when we had the white Australia policy…but since the coming of multiculturalism to Australia, I think racism has become the exception, not the norm…

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          Anonymous

          people like to say we are racist as that makes australians look bad and feel guilty about not wanting refugees. Of course there was the white Australia policy and then the horrors of war that cause hatred amongst races how could it not, but we are also one of the most accepting countries and most genorous . Its just we would like to know who is coming here and how are we going to support them all.

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        Sharon

        I agree that as a nation we care more about cattle or any animal over people and their plight .

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      Sneet

      Hi John-James

      I am so with you on this.

      I think the show had a lot of potential, but I am feeling like I’m being distracted by the volunteers. I am wasting time being frustrated by them, rather than focussing on the real point of the series.

      I was particularly disappointed that they sent Racquel (who “hates” African people) to Africa. It was way too obvious, and therefore moved the focus from the refugees, who are dealing with such a terrible situation, onto a small minded Australian who didn’t cope with the pit toilet. I am spending too much time disliking her, rather than disliking what is happening to the refugees.

      I am finding the series frustrating and staged.
      I keep watching it, hoping it will improve. But I seriously doubt that it will.

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        Christy

        But it worked. I think it would have been wrong for them to send Raquel to Jordan, her issue was with Africans, so to Africa she must go!

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      An Idle Dad

      I am also torn. Yes, I find it powerful viewing (though I agree with Bowerbird above that the point of the doco is the volunteers, not the refugees) but the hype beforehand was that my views, as a pro-refugee pro-onshore processing person, my views would also be challenged.

      I thought it was hinted at in the first episode where the guy says his documents were taken or he would be killed. Then I thought they’d go into the negatives of the smuggling trade last night but it was all glossed over, in fact, they sort of said ‘nothing can be done’ by talking about the lack of convictions.

      It was just odd.

      The doco is not a complete write-off, but no way did it challenge me.

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        JohnJames

        Maybe it’s different depending on how much you’ve already exposed yourself to the fate of asylum seekers…I think to people like us who have been exposed to information about asylum seekers, the documentary feels lacking in depth…but not shock…some of the scenes have been heartbreaking…but the show really hasn’t delved much below the surface…I really wanted to hear more about the refugees…and the politics and economics of the refugee trade…

        For example, in Ep 2 we were shown the Malaysian police conducting a raid, but at no point were they interviewed…I would have liked to have learned more about their views about refugees and what they were doing…

        I still need to catch up on episode 3….so I’m still prepared to give it a chance to improve…

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    Jena McKenzie

    This show is very necessary.

    Apart from showing the very desperate plight of the refugee it highlights a misplaced hatred within the volunteers (i.e. the people chosen to participate in the show).
    People with this sort of strong emotion in a topic they are under educated about and toward vulnerable people (refugees) have very obvious deep seated personal issues that have manifested (in this case) as hatred toward refugees.
    I would not be surprised if some of these volunteers (and/or people who identify with the volunteers excess hatred) have been abused themselves in some way in their own lives and have dealt with it by becoming very angry.

    It is not abnormal for those who have been hurt to believe they have not been helped, supported and protected in their lives so why should others have what they were denied.

    Hatred is a symptom and is usually only the tip of an iceberg of problems. Like so many people with misplaced anger (and other excessive emotional responses), they need help.

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    Jennifer

    Preventing the ‘Malaysia Solution’ from happening is not enough. There’s needs to an end to mandatory detention, particularly of children. There needs to be a strong message sent to The Coalition that leaving people in limbo on Temporary Protection Visas is not acceptable either, that by pitching the debate at the lowest common denominator they have fostered the ignorance and misinformation that surrounds this issue. And it is dreadful that the Labor Party followed along.
    Rod Schneider, the Young Lib, wrote an opinion piece for The Punch online and he’s still just rehashing the same party line, so no change there really. Just dressing the whole thing up as ‘preventing the people smugglers.’
    It’s both sides of politics that need to be hearing the message that Australia needs a humane approach to refugees.

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    thisrefugeeslife

    I am a refugee. I came to Australia in 1982 as a one year old because my parents had no choice. I don’t think people understand the distressing nature of being a refugee. Almost 30 years on, my parents are still haunted by the trauma of their experience. While eternally grateful to Australia for literally saving our lives, almost everyday I see my parents battle in a helpless struggle with the displacement from their homeland. When I heard about this show, it made my heart cry. Finally, the Australian public will understand the plight of their refugee neighbours and common misconceptions could be laid to rest.

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    Sweet-ness

    Last night’s episode shattered me. I had tears running down my cheeks, and felt sick by the conditions found in Malaysia. The beuatiful smiles of the children and families, and the heartbroken eyes of those captured in the raids.

    How can Australia propose to send refugees to these conditions. I knew things were bad there, and disagreed from the start, however, that horrified me. And I know that things would be so much worse that what was shown.

    If thousands and thousands of Australian’s are able to get up in arms about the treatment of cattle, surely, SURELY a similar reaction can be had against the treatment of human beings.

    I’m going to send some emails today.

    I’ve heard many people say things like-the people watching are the people who already are sympathetic, and that may or may not be true. However, hopefully more people are like me, and although I was already appalled by our treatment of refugees, I hadn’t done anything about it. That’s changing now.

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      yes! I think that’s the thing. I also thought that having this show on sbs was maybe like preaching to the converted but there are a lot of us that feel like you but have done nothing because we felt helpless or were in some kind of blissful denial. Now we have seen it we are outraged even more and are perhaps going to do more. whatever we can. I know that I can’t go on how I was before seeing this show.

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    elle

    Oh wow. I found tonight’s episode incredibly distressing. I am so so much more grateful for what I have now. I felt anxious & sick to the stomach watching the reality of the these people’s lives and imagining myself living in those conditions and how horrific that would be. I also feel so compelled to do something ! Especially to stop Gillard’s “Malaysian Solution” which watching tonight scares me that the government could even consider sending refugees there (although I know conditions in Australian detention centres aren’t that much better). Does anyone know what the best way to get involved would be???

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      Sweet-ness

      Agree wholeheartedly. I came on here and started typing… should have looked down one post!

      I’m sending emails to my MP, my former MP (an independent), Julia Gillard, and the Immigration Minister to start with.

      What else? Hopefully Get up starts another campaign.

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      penguin

      Hi Elle,

      I have recently come across two groups who work on the asylum seeker issue – Asylum Seekers Christmas Island and ChilOut.

      Their websites are here: http://asci.org.au/demo/ and here: http://www.chilout.org/index.php?p=1_15 if you want to learn more about them.

      I was so distressed by last night’s episode that I have contacted ASCI to ask how I can best help the 658 (as at April 2011) children in detention on Christmas Island. That’s 658. Children. 658 children in detention. On Christmas Island alone.

      I hugged my two kids extra hard today. I hope you find a way to help that works for you.

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    Emilie

    Those babies are breaking my heart. I want to take those beautiful, bright, willing Chin children and fill my class with them, instead of self-entitled brats that think learning is beneath them. Also, I think that Raquel is showing us everything that is ugly about this country of ours. She is happy to live off the welfare system, and seems to think that since she way ‘born in Austraya’ the rest of the world is beneath her.
    On another point, I did not realise that Malaysia was not a signatory to the UNHCR – clearly, sending refugees there is a terrible idea.
    Time to wake up JGillard – first animals, now people, if you really represent us then you need to smarten up your act.

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    Anonymous

    I just tuned in to the last 20 minutes of the program tonight (am in WA).

    Please tell me miss pink singlet is an actor…I can’t bear to think anybody could be so oblivious to the plight of others around them…

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    Kate

    SBS have done a brilliant job with ‘Go Back…’ It’s powerful, thought-provoking, and broaching the issue of refugees in a way that enables us to see their real plight, hear their real stories, understand them as people rather than the statistics our politicians reduce them to.

    One thing I’m finding quite confronting, although I don’t personally share the views of some of the show’s participants, is the appalling vitriol many viewers have shown towards them. I think we need to be very careful in the way we react to the show, as by focusing too much on the participants and being aggressive in our criticism of them, we reduce this brilliant documentary to ‘just another reality tv show’. It would be a tremendous shame if that happened.
    If you, like me have found ‘Go Back…’ confronting, gut-wrenching and downright hard to watch, keep focusing on the fact that we can change this. Australia can do more. Our current treatment of asylum seekers is woefully inadequate. The Gillard government’s ‘Malaysian Solution’ is no better.

    Let’s acknowledge the prejudices that exist in our society, but remember that they were born out of overreactionary, uncaring policy. We can change it.

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    sigh

    I haven’t made it all the way down the posts, but after a few comments discouraged by the format of the show I guess I just wanted to maybe make the point, that television only really works if it has a target audience … this was always going to be a difficulty because ideally the whole of australia is the target audience. How does one pull that off?? For a start, the reality show format is popular … thus appealing to mainstream viewers and younger viewers … sbs is a doco channel … regular viewers, well we’re already watching it, no need to impress us … Maybe critics will undermine the content by nitpicking the flaws of its less sophisticated structural format. Can’t win ‘em all. Make something moderately less “academic” and hope that more people will watch it … hope that teachers will use it in their classrooms, hope that parents will watch it with their kids, hope that kids will watch it with their parents … sometimes taking the edge off the “facts” and the “objectivity” is exactly the thing to bring home what is really important in life … and what I got out of it was that despite the Aussies’ naivete, at the intersection of person and person … there was connection … compassion … insight … feeling … concern … even attachment … facts, meh … love … i’m for that ….

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    Gig

    This ‘reality’ show is playing to our heartstrings. Of course viewers will come away with an improved attitude toward refugees and to immigrants in general. Yet the fact remains, that no matter how many refugees we take, we will not expunge the suffering that this show focuses on by simply saying, ‘Come one, come all!’

    Such an asinine approach to immigration ignores the fact that we have 22 million people in Australia, and the UN Refugee Agency estimates there are 43 million displaced persons worldwide. Instead of emotional blackmail, perhaps those in favour of a vastly increased refugee intake could present a pragmatic solution as to how Australia can better contribute to the betterment of the world’s population rather than relying on a ‘reality’ show to elicit guilt from a populace that doesn’t deserve it.

    As a qualifier, I will add that I live in a suburb next to the one shown in the first episode, the one where the bogan girl is mouthing off about Africans. She’s talking about Blacktown, the video shows Main Street, Blacktown. There are sixty one nationalities living in the Blacktown area. Remarkably, as far as I have seen, this multiculturalism is working.

    Would this multiculturalism work if the target suburbs were Double Bay and Vaucluse? This acceptance of multiculturalism includes allowing all shop signs, other than Woolworths, to be written in Hindi or Arabic.

    I repeat, it’s working out here in the West, but I doubt it would work where the decision makers and the bleeding heart lefties live.

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      bowerbird

      Gig, I see the show as being about something altogether different. Its not proposing anything at all about refugee intake, certainly not “come one, come all”. If anything, I think its highlighting to everyone just how complex and intractable the issues are.

      I do not agree with the many who have said its predictably pushing an agenda (although I expected that myself). It is simply throwing up unique opportunities for people to test their prejudices – not just the participants and not just about refugees. Many of us are exploring how we feel about the volunteers and their attitudes. We are discussing where attitudes come from and if/how they can change. I do not see any evidence that the show is pushing people towards particular conclusions – its just throwing up the challenges, and both participants and viewers will do with that as they will.

      (You would probably consider me a bleeding heart lefty, but I must disclose I live a very long way from Vaucluse)

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      Jennifer

      Why do people resort to these kind of stereotypes? It’s not helpful. It just continues to fuel prejudice. I live not far from Vaucluse and Double Bay (not too many would thank-you for calling them left-wing, it is Malcolm Turnbull’s electorate) & I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want me referring to everyone in Blacktown or your neighbouring suburb as bogans who all think like Raquel.

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    Great experiment but I wonder about the volunteers and their wellbeing. Was there someone looking after them and processed their experience? The situation they were exposed to was/is quite traumatizing.
    The show is great to raise awareness and should make people appreciating how lucky they are of not being in a position to risk their lives.

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      elle

      I worry about the refugees more having to live this life constantly and the trauma that it would cause, rather than the volunteers who are there for a few weeks. Although yes, I agree it would be very traumatic to go through.

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        Regoblue

        I absolutely agree, nothing wrong about it. Still I am struggling with the thought that the show is unethical. I wonder whether the 2 and 3 part would have reached the same effect without volunteers.

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      Venuse

      I’m sure that the volunteers would’ve been properly screened whether their mental state could handle this. They had a choice about this “traumatic situation”, the refugees do not. Think of all the trauma inflicted upon the refugge’s children. They will live with it all their life and no one worries about their mental state. They should have put Julia G. on the boat!

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    Don

    Please don’t send Raquel back to where she came from. Let the Kenyan’s have her. In fact bring 100 of them back here in exchange. We’d be getting a bargain!

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      Venuse

      I second that!! The refugees will eventually work but “Bogan Raquel” will be a drain on us all for the rest of her life. Leave her behind and bring some of those kids here!

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    b

    Tonight made me weep. Those people being beaten, and all they had done wrong was to be unfortunate enough to be born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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    Bee

    All these displaced people, camps,living like rats,living in squallor, these are images my father showed me in books and films, saying we should never forget. Seems we have. to me these people are no different to those in the holocaust,same same without the ovens.The world should be ashamed.

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    katehunter

    Our ten year old son freaks out when we talk about one day moving a kilometre DOWN THE ROAD. Tonight we watched Go Back with him. Now he has an idea of how lucky he is.

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      Kathryn

      We also watched with our boys (aged 13 & 11).They too found it confronting and they had trouble understanding why Raquel appeared so “happy” at the raid. We tried to explain that she was young and had a misconception of the reality of the world – which I do believe. By allowing our boys to watch this tonight it was to some degree a positive event because it also made them realise how very priveledge their life is and will prevent them from ever having opinions that we see from Raquel. I am hoping that Raquel will take that ignorance and turn it around into something positive.

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    petunia

    I just want to cry when I see the little babies and children. I really do. Especially when they show the children sick and parents not being able to do too much to help them. The parents must just feel so helpless I really do hope it’s not only the ‘converted’ who are watching this.

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    Nora

    Beautiful beautiful children! I want to go play with them all. They look so happy and content.

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    amandarose

    Your a bit light on compassion. A religion does not make a person bad. I agree there are some issues that are not good about Muslim religion but you kind of have to step back and look at the individuals.
    I still believe compassion and kindness goes along way. I don’t like the idea that many countries are taught westerners are bad people but I still think lead by example.
    Surely by reaching out we can knock down those barriers and lessen the threat.

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    Anon this time

    I grew up going to an international school in an Asian country. The idea of one race or nationality being better than others was completely alien to me, and it wasn’t until I came back home that I realized how racist and xenophobic Australia is.

    Regardless of this show, I am always embarrassed and ashamed to be an Australian. We are one of the most privileged countries in the world, yet one of the most selfish and xenophobic. It’s pathetic and I am ashamed.

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      Don

      Agreed. I’d trade 1000 of those refugees for each dole bludging red necked bogan that’s living here in Western Sydney.

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      anon

      agreed! I feel as if Australia likes to promote this idea of multiculturalism but at the very heart of it, there is alot of polarisation

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    Nora

    It fascinates me how Raquel doesn’t associate their hardships as any of her concern. The focus remains soley on herself. Just an observation.

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      Rick Morton

      Great tweet I just saw on Twitter, to wit: “It speaks volumes that the refugee children appear happier than Raquel. She has nothing to complain about and yet complains about everything.”

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        Mabol

        Rick I think that is a bit unfair. We know very little about her life and I do not think it is safe to make these sort of assumptions – Do you really know what she has or hasn’t been through? Let us not forget that there are children who grow up in Australian suburbs who have lived lives as traumatic as those of refugees. Raquel comes from precisely the type of socio-economic background where many problems with physical and sexual violence and substance abuse, and poor education is concentrated.

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          Michael

          WOW! The Australian suburbs are as traumatic as war ravaged countries? Really? Am I being quasi-poe’d or is this really as insulting as it sounds?

          This slag, Racquel, receives the dole, and if people in the suburbs don’t get educated it is not for lack of access to it. Here there is always a way out where the community may take up the slack. In so many other countries that is not even an option.

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            Rick Morton

            Many of us may agree with the basic points of your argument Michael, but using slurs like ‘slag’ doesn’t help your argument one iota and if you continue to be offensive I will remove your comments from this thread. If you can’t argue with civility, don’t bother coming here.

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              Michael

              My apologies Rick. I don’t myself find ‘slag’ very offensive but I accept that others may. In context, slag is the waste product produced after valuable minerals are removed from ore. It’s a metaphor for our society. Unfortunately a certain amount of slag must be produced and disposed of before producing fine consumer goods.

              On that note though, Raquel is a self-confessed ‘racist’, a term which I would find much more demeaning than ‘slag’.

              If offense is taken due to the perceived gender bias of ‘slag’ I will make more effort to use the word directly at men (I am sensitive to these things.)

              Thank you for this opportunity to clarify my position. Once again my comments are meant in context and I mean no offense to you or your readers.

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            Mabol

            Michael,
            I’m not sure where in my comment I claimed Australian suburbs are as traumatic as ‘war ravaged’ countries – I said that *some* children grow up in Australian suburbs with as much and indeed sometimes more violence than the average refugee.

            America is the richest country in the world – yet roughly two thousand children are killed through domestic violence every year. Thats a LOT don’t you think? You can imagine the number that are subjected to severe physical and sexual violence is much higher than that.

            Do you think that these children whose every day reality is one of violence, neglect and horrific abuse – somehow are less traumatised because they don’t qualify as being from a war zone? In fact sometimes it is worse for them I believe, because it is not an ‘outsider’ doing it to them – there is no security in the world at all – no safe place, no escape. The people who harm them are the people that they are with every single day – the very people who are often helping form the core of their being.

            And I am curious to know what you think about the massive under-representation of Aboriginal Australians in further education? Do you think it has something to do with Aboriginality or something to do with belonging to a group that has been systematically oppressed and brutalised? That internal factors in people can sometimes be as powerful as external ones?

            These cycles of disadvantage are difficult to break – you may be surprised – just how tough it is in some of our poorest suburbs and what people go through there. And because they often share these areas with the immigrants who get trapped there for the very same reasons as themselves- they tend to see the immigrants/refugees who are more likely to be struggling, having issues (and sometimes come from cultures where respect for women is not at the same standard as Australia.) It distorts their perceptions.

            I don’t like prejudice – I hate it – I dislike the contempt I see for people who have not had much opportunity and are being manipulated by the media and self serving politicians as much as I hate it against refugees. I think if we offer some more help, understanding and respect for the positions of people in poorer suburbs, they will reciprocate somewhat towards refugees and we will be able to do much more as a society for them.

            I think Australia should be accepting many, many more refugees, and I am passionately against mandatory detention.

            I also agree that Australians complain too much over too little – we are (statistically – so most of us) a very well off country and need to do a lot more to help people in this world.

            I’m just not willing to point the finger at an individual who I know very little about and say they have ‘nothing’ to complain about. Particularly when I suspect they have had a pretty rough time of it – (and it is someone who is at least putting themself out there. )

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              Michael

              Suffering is relative. Sure there are people in developed countries who bear suffering to the limit of human endurance – that’s why our people suffer mental illness, depression, suicide etc. I know. The thing is, in many of the countries people flee from torment that is unimaginable here.

              People in developed countries get depressed because they miss out on a promotion or their relationship breaks down. Sure, severe cases of abuse do happen here, but there is a complex societal safety net that protects people from the worst of it – they need to take initiative and ownership and advantage of it, themselves – because you cannot force people to improve their own lot, you only provide the opportunity, which we do.

              People in broken nations would be ecstatic to only suffer the light slapping around that (fairly) constitutes trauma here.

              You agree Aussies complain too much over too little. By advocating for the complainers you only validate them.

              Complaints like “being manipulated by the media” only validate peoples lack of ownership of their own choices. Death, taxes and advertising are the facts of life. People should be discerning enough to just deal with that – provided that the advertising does not make patently untrue statements I don’t see any problem. The media is run by people too you know.

              As for politicians, we have the benefit of a system of cynicism that mostly hobbles them from being truly “self-serving” apart from within the context of being re-elected, in which the plebeians generally get what they vote for anyway – nothing to complain about there.

              I deliberately ignore your queries about Aborigines. I myself am one small (biological) part aboriginal and I am in higher education. We/they are not a crowbar for leveraging some sympathy for your agenda. This is not a race issue. It’s a socioeconomic issue.

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            Mabol

            Michael,
            I think the problems that are in our poorest suburbs are much worse than you realise and to simply say that people need to take ownership of their lives is to be honest a little simplistic. The support services you say exist are massively underfunded – you might want to look into just how stretched DOCs and other child welfare departments are just for a start.

            You think I am ‘using’ Aboriginal people to gain leverage for my ‘agenda’ – what do you think my agenda is?!! An understanding of the fact that groups of people get stuck in terrible cycles of poverty, abuse and disadvantage? Thanks for calling me out on it! I’m not sure how you are able to say it is a ‘socio-economic’ issue that cause inequality for Aboriginals but a lack of ‘ownership’ for I’m guessing what you call ‘white’ plebians. Must be some interesting mental gymnastics there in maintaining that inconsistency. It is my view that people are in general all the same – and all worthy of respect and a fair go.

            Some people do come from terrible backgrounds Michael and take ownership of their lives – but you know some of these people have grown up amongst such poverty and prejudice and abuse that they of course absorb what is around them – and whilst they are still very young and before they have been given a fair chance to challenge their own beliefs and find there feet in this world – they have people who believe they are of superior moral fibre like yourself beating them over the head with the ‘plebian/trash’ stick letting them know they really are quite hateful, worthless good for nothings.

            Prejudice is one of those parts of the human condition I find very distasteful. But it seems to arise wherever people have not been well educated out of it. I’m glad you tick all the ‘boxes’ Michael for a good, moral citizen, you’ve obviously been taught the boxes for which you are allowed to have prejudice for and those you haven’t and feel very secure in your worldview.

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      amandarose

      But she learning. She isn’t rude or loud and you can see her compassion growing. It is confronting to see third world conditions for the first time. I know I was traumatised by Mexico and Bali. I think everyone could cut her some slack.

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        amandarose

        Ok I take it back, right now I want to slap her. I hope she improves

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          Nora

          “I’ve got mud on my shoes…” my goodness.

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          Meerkath

          Same. I was holding out hopE for heR, there was a glimmer but no. Lost cause.

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        Michael

        No slack. Just cut her citizenship.

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    kazapanthus

    I think the saying “walk a mile in their shoes” is an appropriate saying in regard to refugees. The images from the Christmas Island tragedy are haunting and no one should ever have to go through that for a better life.

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    Summer

    Of course this is an incredibly complex issue and the solutions to this world-wide problem need to be addressed at so many levels – from every facet of power, corruption, government, war, corporate greed, drugs, the list goes on.

    The only comment I want to make is that the ignorance of most of these Australians is absolutely breathtaking and I am ashamed that they are Aussies. What the hell did they think happened in refugee countries? It seemed to come as some sort of surprise that they were tortured, raped, displaced, hungry etc – what did they think was going on in the world? I’m gobsmacked.

    The true solutions will come have to come from every human on earth embracing their natural, inherent compassion and humanity. I don’t think anything less than that is ever going to solve the issue.

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      anonymouse

      I wish there was a worldwide billeting system…it worked for hurricane katrina in the USA

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    baileymika

    Brilliant documentary and I completely agree with the previous post, it should be screened on mainstream channels- those who should be watching may not even know the show is on and most probably don’t select SBS as their channel of choice. I really hope this doc will change the minds of many and hopefully be more accepting and understanding of the lack of choice refugees have (Unfortunately I’m probably being a little optimistic here- I listened to the interview Ben Fordham had with two of the members who partook the challenge, one of them certainly did not change her view on refugees and I wonder how many will after this show??)

    What is the definition of refugees? One who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster, one who seeks asylum! We need to accept more refugees into our country- As members of the Uniting Nations and a well developed nation it is our duty to allow more refugees to enter our shores, we must support them, educate them, give them shelter and a chance to feel free and safe. Every human on this planet has the right to freedom and safety and I whole heartedly believed that we should do everything in our power to offer freedom, safety, food and water to those who have been neglected from it. Australia is such a big country, we have so much empty land, why not do something with it?
    The life of a refugee is horrific and they deserve a better life. Many need to stop and think about someone else’s life and welcome them into our country.

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      Punkernickle

      Those who should be watching WILL NOT watch regardless of which channel this is shown on. They just don’t want to know.