In any conversation you may have this weekend or in weeks and months and years to come about asylum seekers, the same old lines will come up. “They should join the queue” and “We need to stop the boats to prevent tragedies like the one on Christmas Island” and “We already have too many refugees in this country”.
These lines frequently make me want to throw things at people or radios. I will never understand those who can’t see the human tragedy in people who are refused asylum or who are being treated like criminals for trying to escape tyranny and fear.
Watch this ad from Amnesty International and pass it on:
So instead of throwing something, media professional and blogger par excellence, Rick Morton (who wrote the magnificent post 17 Arguments Against Gay Marriage And Why They’re Wrong – which was FB shared 870 times by MM readers) has come up with this brilliant list: 10 Reasons Why You’re Wrong About Asylum Seekers”. Rick writes:
If you listen to the naysayers, and there are many who frequently say nay, there are roughly four things that have the capacity to end the world. Those are the gays, nuclear weapons, Amy Winehouse and asylum seekers.
There. I said it.From Amnesty's re-think refugee campaign
And I wonder whether they still believed it when a boat carrying some 80-100 asylum seekers was smashed on to the rocks in churning seas at Christmas Island, like it was some kind of horrific metaphor for the welcome we extend them if they do happen to make it to shore. Those who have politicised the plight of asylum seekers, who claimed previously that we have offered the ‘red carpet’ to these folk have yet to clarify their remarks in the wake of the tragedy.
Well, those at the top of the tree anyhow. If you’re like me and you hate yourself, then you were probably listening to talkback radio and the views of those safely ensconced in their suburban lifestyles telling us we should ‘send them back’ and that ‘they got what they deserved’. Because apparently asylum seekers are broken Christmas fob watches with return policies.
The arguments some people use to solidify mass ignorance, are, however a little bit wrong. Or a lot wrong, depending on your ability to estimate spatial entities. Helpfully, I have compiled a little list of the most common arguments against asylum seekers which I am calling ‘The Big List of Reasons You’re Wrong About Asylum Seekers’.
1. They’re illegal! Aha, our criminal justice system will protect our prejudice!
I don’t quite know how to put this, so I’m going to go with a simple: no. They’re not illegal. They’re not any more illegal than that moustache you grew ironically last October. Both Australian and International Law allows those seeking asylum from persecution in their countries to seek it. That includes on our shores. Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights also backs this up. And yes, they’re still allowed to seek asylum if they have no documents. Now, what you’re referring to as ‘illegals’ are people who overstay their Visas. There are thousands of these, mostly people from Western Countries who got sozzled in a backpacker bar and missed their connection flight back to Oxford.
2. They’re queue jumpers, look at them deftly skipping that queue!
I want you to show me, on a map of the world, where this queue is. Even if there was a queue, you’re missing the point. Let me put it this way. If you’re being chased by your worst nightmare – mine would be spandex bike shorts – and that nightmare can or will kill you, where do you run? Maybe you have two options. In one you have to cross many borders before finally boarding a boat that isn’t really a boat and hoping that maybe it’ll hold together until you get to a country that will probably lock you up when you get there anyway. The other option is to sit patiently in a queue, like you would at a bank before making a withdrawal. Except at the bank you won’t die. You see, in the queue you will get caught and persecuted and shot and killed or any combination of the above. You might die on a boat too, but what choice do you have? It’s a moot point anyway as in places like Iraq and Iran, where most of yesterday’s asylum seekers were from, Australia has no diplomatic representation and there is no standard queue to wait patiently in. What would you do?
3. But they’re just boat people!
Boat people? Sounds like a race of creatures that look predominantly like boats. This phrase is terribly disingenuous. They’re not boat people, they’re fleeing from horrific persecution and terrible lives. Show some respect.
4. Well, what if they come and steal our jobs?
You mean the jobs that you don’t want to do? In any case, accepting people into this country who want to work to make a better life for them and their families is good for the economy. They create demand, they will shop, they will spend money on other industries. Some will go on to study to be doctors like the great Victor Chang, others will pack fruit at the local markets. Research has shown the benefit to the US economy of all ‘illegal’ immigrants is some $800 billion. So, even if you don’t have a heart, the economic windfalls of granting asylum are robust to say the least.
5. Well, they won’t work, they’ll just sit on welfare and drain our resources.
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest this has happened, or will happen. There will be some, as there are in our own ‘culture’ where your cousin Ted spends too much time gurgling bong water and adjusting his crotch throughout the day.
6. We take too many refugees anyway, why let even more in?
I have a feeling that you would still say this when we take just one asylum seeker . As it turns out, Australia takes about one refugee for every 1600 people. In Britain that number is one for every 600 and in Tanzania – the beacon of the developed world *cough* – they take one for every 75. These figures are from the turn of the 21st Century. And that’s all refugees – not just those who come by boat. We took fewer refugees this year than there were residents in my home shire – 14,000. And really people, I grew up in the sticks.7. But they’re all Muslims!
Quick, everybody hide! Seriously, what the hell is your point? If what you really meant to say was ‘they’re all terrorists’ you are also wrong. The amount of asylum seekers sent home due to character references, out of the 14,000 odd we take each year, is almost in the single digits. Are there bad apples? Yes. There were bad apples in my Year 12 class as well. No, really, some of those people were dicks.
8. If we just stopped the boats tragedies like this wouldn’t happen.
Equivalent: If we stopped the murderers we would have no more murders. Or: Why false logic has ripped our hearts out. First, those aren’t just boats. There are people on them. Those people need a home safe from danger. We can give them that. Secondly, if you manage to stop the boats then I also have a Rancor in my basement that needs feeding.
9. “If people are stupid enough to risk their live in leaky boats it’s not my problem.”
That’s an actual comment on a news website. I truly think my cat understands more about this issue than this person does. And my cat tried to eat its dinner through an unopened can.
10. They should shut the back door to Australia and make them catch planes.
Please see all arguments above.
Disclaimer: I am not a refugee. I once sailed on a boat but it was quite nice and I did it on a lake and there was only a slight breeze. I have lived a fairly good life. I’ve never wanted for anything and my family has taught me the value of a ‘fair go’ and hard work. Once, I stood on a nail. It hurt a lot, but that is probably the most physical pain I have ever been in. The greatest threat to my life as a child was that nail in that sandpit. Today, it is driving through the city to get to my friend’s house because I am a bad driver and changing lanes scares me.
I will leave this country one day, on a plane, to go work overseas because I can. And I will probably spend a lot of my money on alcohol and cigarettes while pretending I am being very cultured. This is not the case for asylum seekers who are forced to flee heart-stopping terror in their own countries in search of a better place. Australia could be that better place if we opened our hearts and our eyes. Currently, we can sit back and watch a boat of asylum seekers break apart on the rocks and admonish them for being silly. But we don’t know the exact kind of horror they have had to flee. We will never know it and therefore it is very easy for us not to care, or to send them back with the receipt.
Granting asylum to those desperate is not going to change the way you live your life. It might enhance our culture, like immigrants did in the decades before us, and it might boost our economy but you’re more than welcome to continue whatever it is that you were doing, and have been doing, for the decades these asylum seekers have been turning up in the tiny numbers that they do.
Problem solved.








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I’m using your statistics for a speech presentation at school. Would you be kind enough to send me links or tell me where you got your statistics from in this article? I am for letting asylum seekers in!
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I think it’s absolutely crazy when people’s excuses for not accepting asylum seekers into the country is because they’ll steal jobs. Most are suffering mental illness, can’t speak english, have no qualifications, education, etc. I really don’t think they plan amongst themselves before they enter Australia, “Man that war was crazy, watching our families die, suffering depression, getting onto this overcrowded leaky boat, but don’t worry as soon as we get to Australia we’ll just take the first job we see and we’ll all be as good as ever.” Yes, that is exactly what they’re thinking. Exactly…
I’d love to see how half the population would react if we actually accepted more then the 3% of the world’s refugees we’re accepting now. Yeah, it is only 3%…because there are sooo many people coming here and they’re all trying to take our jobs. Yeah…
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Thank you Rick! A factual, compassionate statement at last.
It makes a nice change from the scaremongering.
Why can’t people who were – like me – fortunate enough to have been born in this country, have the gratitude to understand their good fortune, and the compassion to reach out to these people fleeing unimaginable horrors?
I think it’s that attitude that’s un-Australian.
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I don’t have an issue with people seeking asylum and I understand that you can’t sit and wait for a visa if your life is on the line. However a lot of these people are not claiming refugee status in the first country that they escape to. They are continuing on, in many cases through numerous countries to arrive in Australia. Why?
I agree that the way we detain them is not the best but we have no idea who they are and lets face it getting three meals a day, a bed, an education and access to basics like TV and internet sound a lot better than what they are running away from.
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The point i come across and am unable to answer is: “they are not real refugees, they are lying scam there way into the country, they are all from relatively safe parts of the world like Pakistan”.
Help Rick! Are there fraudulent asylum seekers?
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In the thousands who have arrived on our shores, only the smallest percentage have ever been found to not be genuine asylum seekers or refugees. Even under the Howard Government. The vast majority have their claims accepted.
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I agree with everything you said rick, my problem is assimilation. what do you do when you see (from experience) a 12 year old sudanese refugee bring a weapon to school because she feels threatened. where is the intervention and therapy to help her deal with the abuse and torture she went through in her young life? is it her fault then that she acts out violently in Australian society?
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I see your great article Rick has brought out the Red Necks of Australia!
Surprise, surprise! These people are seeing asylum! Why is it such a crime that these poor people risk everything to come to Australia so that they feel safe and not in danger?!
You haven’t walked an hour, day, week, month or years in these people shoes. Who are you to comment that they are not in fear of their lives, that if they return they fear that their family will be raped, killed, persecuted or jailed?
Wake up and smell the coffee people, show some compassion to these people!
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Only just read it. Well done, for standing up against the idiots and for putting it so lucidly.
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I didn’t realise that fleeing from war or persecution made you an idiot.
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Thank you Rick, I love this piece .. I have just shared it (with a bit of editing) with my 9 year old daughter who has repeatedly asked me “what are refugees and why are they coming here mummy ?” when news items on boat peple/ xmas island etc etc are shown in the news ..
i cud not find anything better to explain to her how Australia and its people need to show compassion and understanding..
thank you Rick !
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Oh wow, thank YOU. It’s so cool that you are sharing this (sorry about the swearing!) with your children. That seriously makes me so happy!
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Yes thank you Rick, and thanks Jyoti for the good idea – I too will be sharing this with my 2 primary school age children, who coincidently have public speaking topics covering refugees and why we should help them, next week at school.
Power, (for a 10 yr old’s public speaking session), is having a factual answer when some redneck classmate quotes talkback radio
Thanks again!
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Trish says:
I sincerely hope you continue to live your charmed life in this developed country you were lucky enough to be born in and never need to reach out for life-saving help from another human being.
Well Trish , I wasnt born here , I was born in the UK but my allegiance is to Australia , I am a citizen , papers to prove it , I carry an Australian passport , I fly its flag at the front of my home , I speak its language And i obey its laws , I love my country and will gladly fight for it when the time comes and it will . I cant say the same for most of the imports . I always liked the European immigrants because the first thing they learn to say in English was G`day mate , something ive never heard from a Muslim . Even 3rd generation Lebanese dont call themselves Aussies , Ah , I cant wait for the revolution to start , I want to be on the front line .
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I cant believe they have kept your post up. Anything i say along these lines is removed .So much for free speech and being aloud to have an opinion.
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No one here will thank you for flying the flag in front of your house! What an empty gesture. It’s a shame for you that you’ve never been warmly and hopefully greeted in English by a refugee or asylum seeker, but it’s just a coincidence. I have, and so have plenty of people I know. What’s to love about a country, if not its capacity for welcome?
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Ever tried to learn a foreign language, ‘mate’? I have, it’s bloody hard and everyone judges you the entire time. English is no different. I’d pick a Muslim with tolerance (and I know many) over you as a fellow citizen anyday.
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Rick, your article is as excellent today as it was almost a year ago. Perhaps more so, because we all know how little we’ve achieved in that time – if not gone backwards.
I wish I could force so many people to read this.
I posted it on Facebook at the time and was met with strong opposition – to everything they didn’t even bother reading. So I copied and pasted parts relevent to each argument posed. Still, I was stone-walled.
Sigh.
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Wow, loved the article it was well written and I agree with you 100%.
There are a few things I say to people making negative coments about this topic.
1/ If the lives of asylum seekers was really that good or if they were just trying to sneak into Australia for no good reason, why in the hell would they risk their lives or the lives of their family and children and give everything they own up to get to Australia. Like in the case of the ‘children overboard’ scandal, why would those parents give up everything they own to bring their children to Australia just to kill them right before they reach safety.
2/ Don’t tell me the Asylum seekers are just wanting the jobs or bludge money Australians are lucky enough to have access to. There is nothing to say the asylum seekers are looking for money or a job, as far as I know all the asylum seekers are after is SAFETY.
3/ If Australia was turned into a war zone and all Australians were being persecuted, raped, murdered or something as equally as horrific, would you not do what you could to get your family out of this situation and into a safe place. Even if this meant getting on a plank of wood or so called boat to travel to Indonesia or another country. I know I would if I needed to. In a state like that all people would do what necessity calls for.
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Thanks for your return comment Eliza , But i have no interest in where they are kept , They shouldn’t be kept anywhere at all , they should be flown back to where they come from immediately , Then there would be no need for detention centers . And if you think im callous and uncaring , To bad , Its bleeding hearts like you that have made this mess from the start .
Perhaps if there was a referendum then you may get a truer picture of what Australians think of this . But that wont happen as the truth may hurt your sensibilities . And yes i am a member of a pro Australian movement and proud to be one of many . So let your heart keep bleeding and wax lyrical on here as it wont change my and a great many others attitube on this subject .
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I sincerely hope you continue to live your charmed life in this developed country you were lucky enough to be born in and never need to reach out for life-saving help from another human being.
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You sound like an uneducated twat… and a disgusting human being.
Just saying.
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True Australians don’t want your allegiance. Modern Australia was founded on migrants, including you. We certainly don’t want Australia turned into the fascist state you idealise.
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Kirk of Oth you are absolutely swayed by the media you are un australian and you should be the ones kicked out of our country for a lack of disrespect of human rights.
Australia is part of the United Nation. No referendum will overturn what is International law. Which is if you read the article at all states we have to accept these refugees so stop argueing and face international law its people like you who make me think humanity is a lost cause. Grow up look at the facts and be a decent human being not a stuck up snob that probably went to a private school and did their school assignments based off news reports and media represenations of life. Thank you and i hope you read this post
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I’m sick of hearing about the refugees. Send them the money we spend on them when they get here, and maybe just maybe they’ll stay where they are
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Why do they want to come here when they pass so through so many other countries that are not at war to get here . Why not stay there ? Because of our welfare system our mediare etc our handouts that is paid by taxpayers who seem to have no say in it.
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Actually you’ll find that it’s because most if not all of those countries are not signatories to the Refugee Convention, and that therefore there is no legal protection for them there – they risk being sent back to the countries they are fleeing. Cf Thailand sending back Burmese refugees to the junta.
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I am a huge fan of yours Rick!!! Loved reading this.
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Oh some of these posts just make me despair. I actually want to cry from frustration. This is international law that we signed up to. In this international community we have an obligation and we acknowledged that when we not only ratified UN agreements but also actively incorporated them into Australian legislation.
I doubt anyone is suggesting we simply open our borders and allow everyone to come in. It is necessary under these legal instruments that people are identified as refugees if they are to gain asylum. As a lawyer who has actively worked on asylum applications this is a rigorous process – I’m not denying that it shouldn’t be.
But to simply ship people off overseas and wash our hands of this international issue is disgusting. Just as revolting is our mandatory detention scheme. We are the only country in the world to mandatorily detain asylum seekers and the timeframes are genuinely obscene and in no way justified by the legitimate requirements of the refugee application process which takes place once people arrive.
As Rick pointed out, our rate of immgration rate is absolutely miniscule compared to the rest of the world. And for the millionth time – there is no queue. Some asylum seekers have documentation such as passports from the country they have left – but that wouldn’t have gotten them anywhere in their home country and there are simply no avenues to seek asylum from home soil.
As for all the benefits people are discussing – yes, they receive government assistance once they have been accepted as refugees, but that is only once they have gone through the rigorous application process and been identified by our own government as a person genuinely fleeing persecution. If you have a problem with the welfare refugees receive then you have a problem with the welfare system, not refugees.
Finally – for those who use detention centre riots as an example of how little respect asylum seekers have for Australia, just keep in mind that they have been subjected to incarceration even though they have not broken the law. Further, the detention centre environment not only excacerbates the extreme stress they have experienced already but has actually been shown to induce a stress response all of its own. And if that doesn’t make you feel any better – rest assured that ANY involvement in detention centre unrest is taken into consideration in a refugee application and character concerns are taken very seriously by our government (as I’m sure you could imagine).
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Once upon a time my father and grandparents were asylum seekers, they tried the so-called ‘queue’ but it didn’t work out for them because after four years of waiting in a refugee camp it quickly became apparent that it was not safe.
Soldiers found them and kidnapped my grandfather to torture him for information he didn’t have, when he couldn’t give them what the soldiers wanted they killed his youngest son who was only two years old at the time. ‘Out of mercy’ they later gave him a few days to get the information they wanted, but if he still couldn’t get the information they promised that they would kill his entire family.
This all happened when he was supposed to be safe in a refugee camp, and although that all happened a long time ago I know that even today there are many others in similar situations that he was in.
‘The Queue’ isn’t always a safe place to be, and quite often people are forced to take the ‘more direct’ route because of unimaginable circumstances.
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i believe that the assylum seker should be allowed to work [only certain jobs nothing where vunerable chidren or adults are ,they should be allowed to have their dignity intact they are coming from all kinds of persecution situations, so why when they arrive on our shores they are persecuted yet again by being given a voucher of £35 to take to asda/tesco and be demoralised they are human beings too i
I am 1st generation british my parents came hee from jamaica in the 60′s and they too were abused by the British people with racial dialect etc, so i ask myself without the immigrants coming to Britain how would Britain survive?its the low paid jobs that a percentage of the British will not do there is also a culture of scroungers that are British, they have lived on benefits for a long time so to the government i say let the assylum seekers work while they wait to hear about their decision to stay in the uk dont let them loose their dignity because tha to is a form of persecution
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Great comment Barbara.
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Nations should step in and help to provide third-world countries with population management or control schemes, like education or restrictions regarding birth control and the number of children someone can have. I’m aware that in most cases, third-world families are financially dependent on children, but if the problem of “too many people” wasn’t there in the first place, I’m sure our ‘people problems’, like migration and asylum seeking would be much less difficult to handle. Not to mention poverty and hundreds of other issues.
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They’re not leaving their countries because they have too many kids. They’re leaving, in the case of Afghans and Iraqis, because their countries are ravaged by wars that are being fought by other countries on their soil. India is over-populated and poor, but you don’t hear of Indian asylum-seekers.
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The general attitude on this blog seems to be one of the warm and fuzzies. The author and many commenters believe everyone arriving by boat is under dire threat of death if they remain in their home country, or indeed any country they pass through on their way to Australia. However, there is a mix of both desperate and economic refugees amongst the boat arrivals. Despite popular claims that ‘there is no queue’, there is. The UNHCR (the UN Refugee Agency) figures show that there are huge numbers of people wanting to relocate from countries in the Middle East and Asia. Neither Australia nor other Western nations are prepared to open their gates fully. There’s your queue.
Naturally people, whether for humane reasons, or economic ones, presume to jump that queue. Who would blame them? And there lies the dichotomy. Do we err in favour of Australian citizenry who want some control over the population’s composition and size, or do we pander to those who would wantonly open the gates to all and sundry?
As long as the government fails to regulate the influx of unauthorised immigrants, there will be an ever increasing number arriving every year. The draconian policies of the previous government reduced the flow of unauthorised immigrants; this government has relaxed those policies, and the numbers have increased. The number of illegal immigrants granted visas under the former government was lower than the present Labor regime. Oddly, the previous government approved many more legal applications than the Rudd/Gillard Labor has. Makes you wonder what Labor’s priorities are.
Mind you, Australia is a big country, we should be able to accommodate many more people than we have now. The USA does, but a look at a map shows that the USA has more than three times our arable land. Unfortunately, unlike the US, our arable land is synonymous with our liveable land. Our big country isn’t as vast as it seems. Our population is sequestered along the coastal regions. While some primary industries manage to spread out across this great wide land, most industries are confined to the same small belt of coastal liveability and productivity.
It is madness to open the doors to all and everyman who desires to live here.
As a footnote, Rick you say you’d be happy with housing three asylum seekers. Next year it will be an additional three. In the same space that you housed the first three. You don’t really mean it do you?
It’s time for the feel-good lefties to wake up and acknowledge reality.
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Truer words have never been spoken. I take my hat off to you, Rick. If only other people had hearts and minds like yours…
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We need to talk about solutions, real solutions which protect those who are at risk in their own countries. We need to deploy our troops on other than killing missions to the countries that these people are trying to flee from. We need to build safe and functional processing villages on the borders of their soil where an honourable mission for our troops would be to defend those who feel they cannot go through the conventional applications to immigrate. Here they could be processed much more quickly and accurately and brought to our countries the minute they are found to be in genuine peril and those who can, should stay to fight for their rights in their country even if it is to run these villages and be involved in the process of healing the country of their origin. Everything about these boat arrivals is wrong, from the risking of their childrens and their own lives to the fact that they are receiving more goverment and community assistance than our own homeless and destitute and even many of our senior citizens who have fought in wars and paid their taxes for decades before us and for us. We need to be far more enlightened than this; forget the ‘cute ammunition’ (read critical blogs) against one another and get on with solving the issues.
I’ve written this entry again because I wasn’t sure if the ‘save’ button was a ‘send’ button so sorry to have repeated myself…
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I want to know what gives some people the idea that these people, as you call asylum-seekers, get more money than Australian homeless people. Where does your information come from?
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Asylum seekers, once processed, receive more than the standard Centrelink benefit, along with many other benefits, for instance, rent fully paid on accommodation, they don’t actually learn to pay rent, it’s automatically done. They get the place for free. They receive a larger pension than the unemployed and homeless, more along the lines of the age pension, but also with many additional benefits, which the homeless, unemployed and aged don’t get access to. Similarly, the indigenous, or those identifying as such, receive far more benefits than your standard unemployed or homeless person.
Trawl through the DEWR website, the Centrelink website et al and you will find the real story. It’s a lot more revealing than the popular conception.
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i have actually met Sudanese refugees who applied for asylum the ‘right’ way, and they had rent taken out of their Centrelink payments. Indigenous people and refugees do not get more than the average Australian person on welfare. I suggest you read these links:
http://www.kochie.com.au/the-real-benefits-for-asylum-seekers-in-australia
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/current/myths.html
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Wonderful comment, and thoughts, JoAnne
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The reason the attitude towards foreigners can be horrible is because a good percentage (not all) but a good percentage of them that come here just want to turn Australia into their own country, can’t follow our rules set which aren’t unreasonable by the way and then rape and beat people. Oh my, I wonder why the attitudes are low towards them?
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What? Because “Australians don’t “rape and beat people.” Where has your research come from Australian Lady?
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Australian’s are not any better. I never said that. But you see what these people come from. You see what they do to Christmas Island on the news. If you are going to deny that then you aren’t informed. If they cannot even treat Christmas Island with a bit of respect what gives you the idea they will treat Australia with any? However Australian’s that are rapist’s and other sorts of criminals are already here so we can’t do much about that except convict them. However we can stop Australia from becoming a terrible place by making sure we decide who come in by everyone LEGALLY going through the immigration system. Proper background checks need to be conducted. I never said all Australian’s are perfect. Some of them are worse. That’s for sure.
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Proper background checks are conducted. ASIO does them and they take 3 months or more.
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Those background checks also aren’t reviewable so if ASIO makes an error it’s still touch luck for the applicant, regardless of the justice of the situation.
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I just want to tell you that I have lived in this country for several years, and the attitudes to foreigners in general now terrify me, so I don’t feel as much at home as I did 10 years ago. As for the asylum seekers, I feel their pain, even though I don’t agree with their methods. In 2003, DIAC took 8 months to grant me a one year visitor visa. I had all my paperwork in order and was already in the country; I met all health and character requirements. Thanks to the shaking up the department got after Rau, it never happened again, but if that could happen to me, legal, a doctor, English-speaking, what chance does a refugee have?
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Thank you so much for eloquently saying what I have been arguing to people for such a long time. Cheers.
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I just saw a news flash on asylum seekers pop up on the news. The asylum seekers were on Christmas Island, lighting fires and throwing stuff around and it looked just like a war zone, it looked just like the country they would have come from. But no my dear you are right we should just let them all in to do the same to Australia. Treat Australia just like they do their own country. They shouldn’t have to join the QUEUE that DOES EXIST at the airport. You know when you go through customs? And they check your history and stuff? Look at your passport. The queue when you go through immigration like my grandparents did when they came over from England and spent a very long time trying to get into Australia the legal way so they could come here and not destroy Australia. Now all of you go ahead and attack me and tell me how wrong I am. I get that some people are fleeing absolute hell, I am not a total ignorant. But at the end of the day Australia needs protection to keep it SAFE so that it will remain the wonderful country it is. Your children will thank the people who warded off the idiots.
THAT IS ALL
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Oh honey, no. *shakes head*
What airport queue? And how do you get a passport if you have to leave your country in a hurry to avoid war, civil unrest, political persecution? Do you think looking around for your ‘documentation’ is really the most important thing when people are dying around you?
The thing you are hung upon is that you think these people are ILLEGAL. Newsflash: They are not illegal. According to Australian and UN Declarations it is NOT ILLEGAL TO SEEK ASYLUM.
1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, Australia became a signatory. The Convention “sets out the rights of individuals who are granted asylum and the responsibilities of nations that grant asylum”.
NOT ILLEGAL TO SEEK ASYLUM.
Got it?
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I dont care , if thats how they treat our facilities , How will they treat our country , I dont want them here , Send them back .
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Kirk, if you were locked in a detention centre with little access to …well..anything for anywhere between several month to several years, you would start to get cross too.
Please don’t mistake the context in which these events occurred.
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Hear hear Eliza
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Wow! Well written Rick
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said… Although I never had a cat. I did have a dog but she was rather intelligent. Oh, & I have never stood on a nail (ouch! Hope you’re recovering ok?), the most pain I have ever been in was when I was 12 years old, running around in my uncle’s large, grassy backyard with my four cousins, playing a game of cricket. Let’s just say my teeth have never been the same again. If only everyone in this amazing country of ours knew how truly blessed & lucky we are…
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As someone who has had first hand contact with boat people I want to raise two points (not arguments for or against):
1. “Boat people”/ ‘Suspected Unlawful Non-Citizens’ / Asylum Seekers or what ever label we choose to apply are not all the same: some are doctors (we need those), some are criminals (not so keen on those), some were under 28 days old (seriously).
2. Some of these people are legitimately fleeing persecution in their home countries, then pass through 5 or 6 stable countries to get to Australia, (one went through 17 countries).
It would have been good to address these issues…
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I wanted to throw things at the TV yesterday when Barnaby Joyce was being interviewed on Asylum Seeker Policy..talking about us needing disincentives for people to come here. I know, a good disincentive would be for those people to be able to live in their own countries without the fear of war, persecution and death. I know that prevents me from putting my family’s life at risk to seek a future for them. WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!!!
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Over recent times, I have been appalled to be Australian due to the oft misinformed bigotry demonstrated by our media – shame, shame – and some social leaders, fellow Australians and politicians who have been elected to represent us, the Australian people. The only act which has recently upset me is that of the deliberate trashing of the Villawood Detention Centre by a relative minority of those currently living there. This seems to have been promoted by parties, political or otherwise, who feel as though they will gain alliances with those in our democracy who have differing opinions. Well, I truly think that this is a test for true democracy. If such persons ARE NOT IN DIRECT HARM in their own countries and they do not pass the requirements for a visa to stay in Oz, let them be prosecuted for criminal acts and returned to their country of origin. If others are on the balance of probabilities likely to come to harm in their country of origin, let their visas be processed as a priority and then help them settle in our DEMOCRACY. Let all immigrants adjust to the laws of this country through education and mentoring and above all, kindness. None of us receive enough gestures of this quality each day and yet we would all grow for the better if it were the case. And yes, if I lived in a totalitarian state, I doubt papers would be easy to obtain and YES, I WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER to save my child/family. I would encourage them strongly to work within the laws of the country validating entrance as an asylum seeker!
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Brilliant. And thank you for injecting a little sanity and good old human compassion into this. Almost ashamed to be Australian seeing all the revolting things people are saying on the Internet about this.
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I agree with everything you’ve said here Rick….. and congratulations for being a strong enough man to say it.
However, what I fail to understand is why, once these people have arrived in Australia, they are willing to risk sacrificing the safety that they have so desperately fought for. If any Australian citizen set fire to government owned property we would be, rightly, treated as criminals.
As far as I can see, and I don’t by any means pretend to walk in their shoes or face the struggles that they have face, they have come mostly from situations where their lives are on the line. Is it not unreasonable to expect them to wait patiently, even for a couple of years if absolutely necessary, for us to be able to pass due process in order to allow them to access the freedoms and rights that they are obviously so desperate for.
I believe that those that are willing to break the law in the detention centers are not those that have fled truly dangerous situations. I also believe that those are not the kind of people that i feel safe having in our community. Try going overseas and breaking the laws, particularly when you put other people’s lives at risk, see how quickly you are thrown out.
Personally, I think that Australia is one of the most resource rich places on Earth and we have more than enough room for plenty of refugees (“Fuck off, We’re full” ….. Who are they kidding???). Australia’s diversity, that we so proudly boast of and flaunt in our marketing campaigns, has been created by the multitude of cultures that flowed into this country over the last two hundred years.
‘Open arms’ is my policy when it comes to allowing others to make our fine country their home. It only makes Australia a better place. But, play by the rules once you get here or prepare to return to your place of origin.
I realise that not everyone will agree with my views, but, having read you very intelligent article, I’m quite interested to hear yours
Thanks a bunch,
Steve Smit
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Thank you Rick, this is an excellent article
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I have a question.
Let’s say we suddenly become a warm and fuzzy, kumbiyah-singing society who happily welcomes anyone ‘looking to make a better life for themselves’. That’s fine and dandy, but surely we (and other more stable nations) can only be the world’s lifeboat for so long, before it starts to sink? At what point do these people fleeing from these places actually make a stand in their own countries to make them better and/or overthrow tyranny?
Many nations have evolved by undergoing revolutions. It’s messy and tragic and horrible, but if you have a love of your country and culture (which seems to be evidenced by many who arrive here, clinging on to both loyalties), surely it’s a fight worth fighting?
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Well that’s already happening right across the Middle East…but does that mean we shouldn’t take the very few who flee? The refugee numbers we accept across both boat AND normal arrivals are miniscule…
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While I support Australia accepting genuine refugees, it strikes me as strange that a refugee, from say Iraq is so desperate to simply escape from his country of origin and his persecution, he or she treks half way around the world, to Australia rather than seeking refuge in somewhere like Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.
Crossing the border into a neighbouring country and applying for asylum is surely the best way to escape persecution at home, rather than picking and choosing a country on the other side of the world, especially as all too often the asylum seekers are crying poor.
I imagine the thoughts that go through their heads. “Life sucks here. People are trying to kill me. Must leave this country. Think I might just ignore those 20 odd countries on the way, and just head straight down to Australia and pay tens of thousands of dollars for passage on a leaky boat along the way.
Surely if you are being persecuted your number 1 motivation should be to get out, rather than choosing a luxurious destination.
That’s the bit that just never quite makes sense to me.
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Thanks for your comment. I’ve thought about this one a lot myself. No hard and fast answers but I always imagine it would be like this:
Countries like the ones you mentioned are better than where people are fleeing from, yes, but they’re hardly shrinking violets on the world stage of human rights abuses. Particularly against people who aren’t from there. That’s why people who do live there are protesting and rioting as it is.
Secondly, I try and put myself in their shoes. If you’re leaving absolutely everything behind and starting afresh somewhere else you want to do it somewhere where you can get a job and work, for a decent wage in decent conditions with decent living standards. Why wouldn’t you aim high? I would.
Australia is a wealthy nation (by most indicators) and we can support them. They choose to come here because of what we can offer them…and if it were me, I would do exactly the same thing.
Just a thought
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Once the refugee is free from tyranny in one of the nearby countries, let them apply for sanctury elsewhere (and let Australia participate in resettlement). No problems with that. It just seems to me that either the refugees have seriously got their priorities wrong with hiking half way round the world to escape, or they have got a different agenda (than escaping tyranny), and hence are not genuine refugees.
Also, I notice a lot of comments about the horrendous conditions in Australian detention facilities.
I’ve been to the Derby detention centre (which is a RAAF base) and am wondering why the facilities there are good enough for our defence forces, but not good enough for the asylum seekers. Food for thought.
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Totally agree with you there. I’m dating a cop who was once taunted by a refugee (after he was arrested for bashing his wife or something) because my man had to work and this guy could drive around in his BMW all day and I quote “never has to work again”. There are so many opportunities in places like Saudi Arabia and Jordan, but in Australia, we just happen to give a lot $$$$ more for less work. Not when it comes to our actual citizens though. Another thing: many of them are not legitimate refugees. That said, I love it when I read about young muslim refugees who end up acing their HSC exams and go to uni. We need more of those and less of the wife-bashing, refuse-to-work, and probably not genuine refugee types.
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Yes Christmas Island was a tradgy no one could say otherwise. And no one would deny a person safe haven. I too believe that we hold people in detention centers for far too long. My only comment on that is … if a stranger knocked on your door and said help I am in trouble would you just say “come in, help yourself to all I have”? without asking some questions about them first. I think not. So why should Australia just let people in without checking they are genuine. As for people that out stay their visa, well at least we knew who they were and where they came from ect when they arrived.
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No one is saying we shouldn’t check them out / character references etc. That’s a reasonable thing to do. But it’s how we treat them when they’re here that is a problem. And some people say they don’t have the right to seek asylum full stop, which couldn’t be more incorrect.
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I think that Australia should take in refugees, but I think that the boats need to be stopped for the safety of the refugees.
Also, perhaps if the Australian government could find a better way of bringing in refugees, there would be less chance of diseases that have been eradicated from Australia returning to our shores?
If people are worried about us being over-run by refugees, I don’t think that that is a realistic concern – at least not at the moment. Instead of stopping the refugees to prevent over-crowding in Australia, why not just cut immigration?
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Imagine how bad your life and the lives of your family must be that a better alternative is to risk everybodies lives in a leaky boat, run the danger of pirates, bad seas and terrible weather with little or no food and water? All so they might survive and be able to have a better life in a safer country?
Why would anybody sane do that unless the other option was worse?
I have known “boat people” who came in the 70′s from Vietnam who still can’t talk about the things that happened to them on the way (one in particular still carries the physical scars of when the pirates that took what little they had left then set fire to the vessel- she survived badly burned and the rest of her family bar her mother all died. Her mother still can’t light a candle or use a gas stove for fear of the flames.) They have successfully made a life for themselves. My friend has attended University and supports her mother now as her mother supported her through her schooling, meaning they have never relied on welfare. She is married and now has children of her own. She works and pays taxes and supports an immigrant centre where she lives to pay back for her good fortune in coming to Australia. Can you tell me that she doesn’t deserve to be here and that she is a drain on society? That she and her family should have stayed in VIetnam and been killed there? For all her loss, her mother still considers it was a better plan to have come here.
How many of the current refugees will be like my friend?
I would hazard to say that the majority of them would be just like them.
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Then why dont you feed and house them if you want them here so much ? because there is a hell of a lot of people that want our tax money being spent on things that would benifet us. These people dont, cant or wont be willing to speak english, the counrties they come from dont have the doll or housing, why dont they go to a country next door ? they travel half the world to abuse this country …. you go burn down a government building right now and you will end up un jail with a lot less benifets these clowns have got. they should be made to sleep in tents with there ankles chined to trees until this centre is re built not given anything else ….end of story.
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I’d love to billet some if that were an option.
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I like the fact that the vast majority of Australians are very willing to help those less fortunate than themselves and I want my government to always unequivocally support those seeking asylem from persecution where ever it occurs. I do not, however support the denigration and belittleing of the views of those who do not agree with Rick that it inherent in this piece. It is actually a form (less dangerous or vehement I know) of what we are trying to protect these unfortunate asylem seekers from..
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Excellent work Rick!
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Great work Rick!
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One issue with directing people to this article via Mia’s twitter ‘In light of the Villawood protests overnight”.
The people doing the protests at Villawood had been processed and their claims rejected. That was what they were protesting. This article has nothing about that part of it.
If I throw a roof tile at a fireman, I get arrested and charged. If I burn down buildings, I get charged. It was amazing how the protester’s bravery disappeared once the riot squad were given entry and they were faced with public servants who were armed and could fight back. Remove the media from covering it and watch how fast they come down off the roof.
Send in prisons NSW inmate control squad to remove them – not negotiate them down – remove them from the roof, take them to Silverwater and put them on the next plane.
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That’s not entirely true. Some of the protestors were protesting the time it is taking to process their applications. Which is not an unreasonable request…
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I’m sorry I found this article as poor for the asylum seeker fight as most of the arguments put forward for their removal. Fraught with sarcasm …. it doesn’t help or provide any valid information on their plight. No one knows what process is in place to determine eligibility and why it takes so long…which seems to be the crux of the problem and frustration.
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If European countries can manage to accept 1,000′s of refugees a year, then Australia can manage such a small number.
Australians shouldn’t think they are special and not have to deal with issues which affect the rest of the world.
I will make a post a bit later today showing the “drain” these “evil” refugees have on Australian society (note my sarcasm) which will indicate just who the real drains are on society.
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Rick, I am so with you on this one, and I’m a middle-aged white mother-of-three. The ignorance shown by people who whinge and bitch about “boat people” astounds me. Onya for giving it to them.
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Thanks! With you too!
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Thank you. This whole ‘assylum seeker debate’ gets me so frustrated. I just keep coming back to ‘there but for the grace of God go I’. Surely as a developed nation we owe it to the rest of the world to help out those who would risk everything to find safety, security and freedom.
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This little treatise begins to fall apart with the first assumption that these `Asylum Seekers’ are all escaping “tyranny and fear”. They are not. Many of the countries from which they come are democratic and stable societies and they have not been terrorised or persecuted in any way. They are simply economic migrants (mainly young males on adventures). If they were in such fear and terror why would they not simply stop in the first country which they came to which offered them safety. As the writer admits, they travel through many other countries Mainly Muslim countries) because Australia provides better health, welfare, and financial benefits. That is the big draw. Australian soldiers are fighting for these people in Iraq and Afghanistan for their freedom and a stable society, yet these people are deserting them and seeking their own selfish goals. Why are so many young Iraqi and Afghani men leaving their country instead of joining their armed forces and fighting alongside the Australian troops?.
They are not good for the economy. They are a drain on health, welfare, and benefits services and merely a source of cheap labour and additional consumers for big business in order to keep down the wages of Australian workers. Along with other population growth in Australia stimulated by successive governments it is leading to the loss of huge tracts of buchland and farmland as cities and towns expand expand to accommodate them, and traffic increases creating more toxic pollution and despoiling the environment. Every additional person in Australia, including asylum seekers, is causing a rapid diminution in the quality of life of current residents, as has happened in the U.K. and many other European countries.
There is also the issue of creating ethnic enclaves within Australian society, which is already in eveidence from past large scale immigrations. In every country in the world where there is such groupings by ethnicity, there is instability and conflict, often of massive and tragic proportions e.g. Yugoslavia, Israel/Palestine, Northern Ireland, India/Pakistan, Indonesia etc etc. It is this kind of instability and ethnic conflict to which Australia is now hurtling, fuelled by government’s which have simply thrown open the doors to all and sundry, rather than managing the problems arsing by gradual and slow integration at a pace where the infrastructure of services, roads, housing etc can cope. The current Open-Door Immigration policy to allcomers is madness which will eventually lead to self-destruction.
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The facts are that the vast majority of asylum seekers are granted refugee status once they’ve cleared all the hoops. Very few asylum seekers are sent back to their countries of origin or elsewhere having failed to gain refugee status. Some asylum seekers who do not meet the criteria for refugee status are granted special status as “vulnerable” persons. i.e. young women who have experienced physical and/or sexual violence and/or whom have multiple young children to look after without economic assistance. The numbers granted status this way are very low. Numbers are capped and the quota has not yet been filled.
Australians remain some of the most well-off people on the planet. We have a safety net – imperfect, but far better than most.
A few thousand extra people, even more than that, are not going to make a bit of difference to an economy the size of Australia’s.
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Yes,
as I understand it, the process of being accepted as a legitimate refugee is quite rigorous – otherwise I am confused about how we can justify locking people up for several years…? though admittedly I do not understand all the details involved, particularly with the legal processes and the mainstream media does virtually nothing to increase people’s understanding there.
However, I would like to add to Willaway’s response about the legitamacy of refugees and respond to Anonymous’s concern about refugees being ‘a drain’ and causing social problems with something I do know a little bit about – the incredible contributions that refugees have made not only to their new countries but also to international political stability and the remarkable courage and selflessness they have shown in fighting for democracy and freedom in their countries of origin.
Current president of East Timor has been a refugee, (first with the Portuguese then also the Indonesians!). His work has been instrumental in raising international awareness for the situation in East Timor and the development of democracy that was finally achieved there. He was a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize for his courageous fight for freedom and democracy in East Timor.
Malawai Joye (Afghan politician, Democracy advocate and author of ‘Raising my Voice’) fled with her family from Afghanistan as a refugee when she was four years old. She later returned(“I don’t fear death, I fear remaining silent in the face of injustice.”) and has spoken out and fought for freedom and democracy for Afghanistan despite incredible personal threat and repeated assassination attempts.
I’m not sure if Aung San Suu Kyi has technically been a refugee.. but emigrated and lived abroad for many years before returning to Myanmar (Burma) where she has galliantly fought against the Burmese Junta for the establishment of democracy. Knowing she will be exiled if she left, she remained, despite repeated assassination attmepts, being separated from her children and being held for many years as a political prisoner (and was refused a visit from her husband before he died.)
Anonymous, I could present many more cases such as these about how many of the people in the world who have been the most pivotal in the establishment of peace and political stability which benefits us all…have at some time been refugees or have emigrated to other countries. Even those that don’t return to their countries of origin are often involved in promoting peace and freedom in those countries in which they often still have strong emotional ties.
Most Refugees do not just selfishly leave their home countries, for their own economic benefit! But yes there are many Australians that are caught also in hopeless circles of poverty and lack the education and resources to escape. Which is why personally I find it particularly heartbreaking that they are being used to vote against their own interests, by the fear mongering and misinformation generated by certain politicians and the mainstream media.
Countries that have difficulties divided along ethnic lines, have them because one or more of those groups is in some way oppressed, not because of the ethnic difference itself…which is a good reason why we should be supportive, inclusive and helpful to our immigrants and refugees to help them feel that they are valuable members of our society.
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Anonymous, what would it take to get you on an overcrowded, dangerous boat, possibly with your children in tow, and travelling around the world to an uncertain future, knowing that you will more than likely encounter hostile weather, horrific living conditions and pirates on the way. Things would need to be pretty dire wouldn’t they, for you to see getting on that boat as a better option?
I just cant believe anyone would take such a huge risk with their lives and the lives of their family, or choose to be separated from their family to go on an adventure, as you claim.
Refugees deserve our utmost compassion.
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Yes, ethnic enclaves, such as Lygon St, Carlton in Melbourne, really do create insecurity and conflict!
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No ethnic enclaves like Auburn in Sydney’s south-west where there are shops selling DVDs that promote jihad (against Australians), people who get stabbed for telling someone to move out of their driveway for parking them in, and where men think it is ok to abuse their wives or female shop assistants. I know because I have seen it. Some people need to cut the sarcasm and venture out of their blissful inner-city existences for one day to see an Australia they would not otherwise fathom.
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You hit the nail on the head! Well said, Im currently living in the Middle East close to all the countries where the refugees are coming from and yes there are genuine cases but there are a lot that are not!
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Proof?
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