BY MIA FREEDMAN
So I bought these undies. Look, it was bound to happen, me telling you about my underwear in this column. It’s actually surprising I waited this long but it’s been over a month now so I think we can officially dispense with the formalities. I promise to keep it SFW: Safe For Weekends.
A while back, I had a weekend sick in bed (not to be confused with a ‘sick weekend in bed’ which is how someone under 25 might describe the first 48hours of a new relationship). To pass the time, I did some online shopping at Victoria’s Secret where I bought half a dozen pairs of brightly coloured knickers.
By the time they arrived a few weeks later, I was no longer feverish and had totally forgotten buying them. After several confusing moments wondering who’d sent me undies at work, I remembered it was me and excitedly inspected my new purchase.
Fortunately, I don’t work in law, finance, education or politics so I’m able to wave my underpants about my office and at first glance it seemed I’d bought well. One pair had a cute pineapple print on them. Another pair was a cheery shade of fluro orange.
[Is anyone still reading? I promise this goes somewhere].
“Look” I said to my colleagues, “aren’t they cute?” But as I held them out in front of me for show and tell, I inhaled sharply.
Because the pair of undies with the pineapple print? On the back were the words “TAKE A BITE” in giant glittery black letters . And the orange knickers had “I LIKE IT HOT” printed in equally shouty font across the bum.
Oh no. Rookie error. So now what to do? Because sure, while they weren’t actually crotchless or edible, I would never have knowingly bought sexually suggestive underwear.
Reading that sentence back, I suddenly feel about 85.
The thing is though, I have children, one of whom just started to read. Another is a teenager. And I don’t think their mental health will be enhanced by Mummy announcing that she likes it hot and asking to be bitten on the arse. There’s only so much therapy available in the world and any child of mine will already have a lot of it to look forward to. ‘Sorry-about-that-time-I–forgot-to-pick-you-up-from-school’ etc.
With the offending undies shoved in a drawer, I realised they symbolise a rarely discussed issue: how do you reconcile the duelling identities of mother and woman? A woman who might like to wear raunchy knickers, have sex on the kitchen table or sext the new guy she’s dating.
As many parents have discovered, once your children are mobile, sexual activity of any kind becomes challenging. Babies are born with an in-built sonar to detect any parental stirrings and interrupt them immediately so as to reduce the likelihood of siblings.
It’s difficult enough when you’re trying to sleep with the co-parent of your children but if you’re a single parent who’s dating, you need to fasten your seatbelt.
One of my girlfriends started seeing a new guy last year. Six months in, she still wasn’t ready to introduce him to her three year-old daughter so he was only allowed to visit late at night. This worked well until the little girl had a bad dream and walked in on my friend and her boyfriend having special cuddles on the couch. “In an instant, I went from talking dirty to channelling Carol Brady,” she recalls. “I didn’t even think about it, I just switched, literally from ‘More! More!’ – or words to that effect – to ‘It’s OK, darling, Mummy’s here, you just had a nightmare’.
Without missing a beat, my friend leaped up half-naked and carried her daughter back to bed. “It was dark so she saw nothing and I wasn’t particularly phased because it’s just what you do, isn’t it? Happens to parents all the time. But my boyfriend was completely freaked out. Not just by my daughter springing us but by how I could instantly switch roles like that. It took him quite a while to find his mojo after that…”
Another single friend says she only ever has sex when her kids are staying at their dad’s because she can’t get into the sex zone while straining to hear little footsteps padding down the hall.
In her book French Children Don’t Throw Food, American ex-pat author Pamela Druckerman observes a fascinating difference between French mothers and Anglophone ones; French women don’t compartmentalise their identities into ‘mother’ and ‘woman’.
As one of her French friends explains, “For Anglophone women, the role of mum is very segmented, very absolute. When they wear the mum “hat”, they wear the mum clothes. When they’re sexy they’re totally sexy. And the kids can only see the mum part.’ In France, notes Druckerman, the ‘mum’ and ‘woman’ roles are fused. At any given time, you can see both.
She also notes that there’s no word for MILF (Mother I’d Like To…..know better) in French because the concept doesn’t exist. Same with Yummy Mummy; the ethos being why would motherhood impact on sexual attraction? “In France, the dominant social message is that while being a parent is very important, it shouldn’t subsume one’s other roles.”
Which is awesome but I still don’t know what to do with my undies.
Do you have different identities that you have to move between? Mother/lover? Boss/wife? Student/friend anything that asks you to shift your focus completely ?








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90 Comments so far
perhaps you could donate them to a charity who will send them to a non english speaking country!
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Oooh oooh oooh! Ill have them! They are soooo cute
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I wouldn’t wear those undies either. Nothing to do with being a mother (though I am one) – it’s just that they’re totally tacky! Give them as a hen’s present or something. Or can’t you return them?
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Undies on the VS site for adults – no big deal. However I see this kind of trash on sale for LITTLE GIRLS – I know this article isn’t about the early sexualisation of girls but I just had to vent!
A fun article, Mia. Sure makes the last few hours of my work day go faster
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I have a pair that say “I’m not a morning person” – can be taken a few ways!
My 16 yo daughter doesn’t get why anyone would wear “see through” (lacy) underwear – she doesn’t see the point – I’m sure she will one day!
I switch from Teacher’s Aide to Mum – sometimes the lines blur and I get told “stop being a teacher’s aide and just tell me the answer” at homework time, and I tell my two dogs “is that behaviour appropriate?”
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Is it just me or does all this talk about French women never getting fat, being better parents, having more well behaved kids annoy THE HELL out of anyone else??? Over it, such a load of crap!
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oui.
i’m French and it shits me.
Anyone who’s spent 15 minutes on the Metro will see boring BCBG women, overweight women, too sexy try-hards, frumpy tired normal women, chicks in head scarves, stunning slim trendy African women, large and unglamourous women with chipped nails, and girls who simply looks quite nice. The whole lot.
It’s like everyone in Europe thinking our men look like Russel or the Bondi lifeguards. Silly.
This is all bollocks. Don’t buy it, people.
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have i read this before or am i am going stark raving mad?
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My kids don’t often see me in my underwear, so it doesn’t really matter to me, however, my teenaged daughter has a pair of knickers that say ‘poke me’ on her butt (facebook pun!) I think she’d be delighted to see me in either pair of these knickers. And gee, they look comfy too.
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I shift between teacher and normal uncensored human being… “I hope you have your listening ears switched on today” “You are making me feel very sad and cross” etc and then I can go turn off my patience switch and say “you are pissing me off” haha
On the underwear thing, I never buy undies with trashy slogans on them, but I have to confess I did buy Wonder Woman pop art knickers a couple of weeks ago. I couldn’t help myself
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Hi Mia,
Sorry if someone’s already asked this, but… what will happen if/when your teenage son reads this?
Even if he hasn’t read it yet, I’m sure his classmates at school today might have said something like, ‘Your mum wrote an INTERESTING column yesterday…’
Just curious.
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Lol. He is in total denial.
Nobody ever mentions my columns to him!
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My flabby baby sagging belly is still wobbling with the fit of laughter I’ve just had seeing what was written on the back of those undies!
One of your very funniest stories thus far Mia!
As a Mother of a 13 year old from a pervious marriage and a son 7 from my now marriage… I definitely can relate to just about all parts of this story. I met my now Hubby when my daughter was 12months old… trying to be sexy for him and a doting Mum to her was as hard back then as what it is today! However I find at least back then she or my son for that matter didn’t really know what happening…. but today – they certainly do! My daughter is mortified that anything like that happens between her parents and our dear son knocks on the door asking us what are we doing in our room with the door closed? (if we think we can sneak a quickie in during the afternoon on a sunday!)
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Fazed, not phased.
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True.
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Well, I thought the duality was behind me – until I became a Nanna!! Until they are at an age where it might (and I do say might) be cool (or the then equivalent), I wear two hats and one is now made out of felt with a little flower on it! Oh, and the oldest of my four grandsons just started school, so it will be a while! There was freedom there for awhile Perhaps I’ll get it back when they put me in a nursing home.
BTW: My mother-in-law used to by me underpants for my birthday (towels for xmas) and they were always 8 sizes too big – I kid you not. Her own agenda happening there, me thinks.
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Oh NannaHannah! My little nephew was briefing my on what was cool and not cool before he went to school! Now both he and his little brother are turning 8 and 9 they have to have their hair perfect and be wearing cool clothes! They take after their Mum! Hehe
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I’m going to check out the VS website now I think!
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I agree that we compartmentalize our lives too much. Although I do prefer privacy for sex and don’t like to talk explicitly about these things in front of children it’s not healthy to be always hiding the fact that we are sexual beings. And it’s good for children to feel comfortable in the knowledge that parents have sex. It’s normal.
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I feel you spent TOO much time on the undies and not enough time on the ‘sex life after mother hood’ which I would like to add is the ONLY reason I chose to read this article.
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OMG – two of us Monica’s chatting online and my views are soooo not the same as the other Monica. I adored the pantie part and also loved the sex part – though I am recently separated and don’t think I will ever be doing the sex thang again!!!!~
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Monica, yes you will, it will happen.
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Honestly Mia. Victoria’s Secret! What did you think you were buying? Berlei? Be daring, wear them.
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Being a mum of I have found it easy to work on the weekends, but i ended working with all the youngester! As I look fairly young, I would be talking the talk with them, planning nights out. Then going home to be a wife and mummy. It was like I had two lives! Then hang out with mums at playgroup!! Too many hats!!
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I’d put them in the the St Vinnies charity bin. Cut the crotch out first.
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Ahh this kind of stuff annoys me all the time! When you find a great pair of jeans, a dress, top anything really until you turn it around to find some tacky picture or words scrawled on the backl. So. Annoying.
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Yep, that’s my biggest gripe about buying clothes for kids… just when you think you have found a cute, not too gendered or branded top and then you turn it over and it has scribble all over the back of it! Grrr!
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Once my frail old grandmother bought my dad a Christmas T-shirt. In front of the whole family he unwrapped his present and proudly put on the shirt. Across the front it said “You can jingle MY bells!”. We all thought it was hilarious but my young cousins (and my grandmother) just thought it was a standard red, white and green Christmas shirt.
Mia – as for your undies – why don’t you cut them up and use them as jar covers? The “I like it hot” one for a jar of curry mix and “Take a bite” for a jar full of fruit lollies.
Cut the print into a rectangle that would go around your selected jar and sew the edges together forming a sort of sleeve. There should be enough stretch in the fabric so you can stretch them tight on the jars and they won’t fall off.
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The jar cover idea is awesome! That look so funky and would be very original
Maybe I’ll buy a pair or two just to do that….
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That’s gold!
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i have a pair of undies that say “It’s all about me” , repeated around the elastic.
This is incredibly funny if you can see the irony in wearing these knickers and also being a WSAHM to 4m old, 20 m old and 3 yr old.
makes me laugh every time.
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Haha, Mia. My Mum bought me some undies that made my partner crack up. They said on the front “I have a body of a God” and a picture of Buddha on the bum!!
WTE reminded me of an incident when I was about 11-12. My older brother had a very “out-there” mate and his sister came over our place and got very drunk. She whispered to me “tell your brother I want an orgasm” Me, not knowing what the word meant, told him. Boy, was he cranky!
I shift from worker/girlfriend. I am very shy and quiet at work, and work quite hard. When I get home I am happy, fun and loving girlfriend.
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I am a single (by choice) mumma of a gorgeous 14 month old. I have always bought and worn cute matching underwear, and I haven’t stopped wearing it since becoming a mumma. I was thinking the other morning as I ran around the house trying to get us out the door for daycare and work – without forgetting to feed the dogs – that it’s probably just as well I have a daughter. I was wearing only my Victoria’s Secret underwear (sans-logo). I’m absolutely ready to date again so it would be nice if someone other than me, bubba & the mutts saw my underwear. Just not sure where I’m going to find the (a) time; (b) energy; or (c) the date?! At least if I do manage to find one, I won’t have to worry about which underwear to wear! If you want to share more of our story, you can visit us at http://www.bumpyroadtobubba.com.
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Mj, I just clicked over to your blog, love it
Especially the guest post!
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Hey Marissa, thanks so much for checking our our blog, and for your lovely feedback. All three of them have guest posted now, sometimes a mumma needs a break!
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My ex and I parted ways several years ago. I’m in my early 40s. I’m not looking for a partner at this stage of my life but I don’t necessarily want to be completely celibate either. A couple of years ago I bumped into an old friend who is in a similar boat to me. His kids are his priority. He doesn’t want to bring dating into what is a complicated situation at home. We’ve always been attracted to each other and so on the odd occasion that I get to travel to his part of the world we get together. He did send me this gorgeous lingerie once (check out Elle MacP’s Obsidian range!) and I tend to hide it away in my closet because it’s a bit more obviously sexy than my other “pretty knickers” as my 4 year old calls them. He appreciates lingerie, I enjoy indulging that fancy but it is so far removed from my usual underwear which is functional sportsbras etc that I am terrified of explaining the inevitable questions if my eldest stumbled upon them. And it won’t be long before she is close enough to my size that she will want to borrow my clothes…
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My bedroom has a Child safety gate on it just for those special moments so as not to get “busted”.
The knickers on the other hand can be sold on ebay or given to a friend as a gift.
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This isn’t answering the question, but just reminded me of a week or so ago when my 7 year old asked my husband, “What’s a sex shop?” after hearing it on the news. My husband immediately replied “That’s just a place that sells fancy undies”. Fortunately no more questions followed.
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The slogans on the back of underwear are so disappointing. I went into Big W and saw some cute undies and had a look at them and had to take a deep calming breath before I put them back otherwise I’d start shouting about inappropriate slogans.
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very funny and thought provoking read – ta Mia!
re. your undies. Wear them & don’t worry! It’s just a joke, they might get it or not. Anyway, it doesn’t matter imho. Teens will always be embarrassed by parents whatever you do and the little ones won’t know
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I don’t think I segregate the two – mother or wife. I am both all the time. My kids know that my husband and I still have sex and that if the doors closed – knock!! I think it’s very important for them to know that we are still a couple, still need time without them and that mum and dad are best friends aswell. Kids are 13 and 10 so maybe it’s easier to explain but I have always been open with them about love and sex to a degree. I actually don’t think my kids would even bat an eye lid at those undies lol…
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Mia, this article is you at your finest. You are hilarious, I actually laughed out loud.
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Thanks Georgie!!!
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Traci – Thank for an amazing osesisn, we really enjoyed meeting you. The pictures are so wonderful you really captured Kyan perfectly You have such a way with newborns we are so impressed.
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I HATE clothes with slogans. ANY type of slogan. I find them base and common. (now I feel about 85! Mia how about we meet up later for some lawn bowls and doily making!)
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I’ll bring my Zimmer frame.
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I remember as a teen buying undies that said kiss me on the front with a tongue on them!! I was young so I had no idea and they were from Target! Me and my girlfriends just loved pretty undies with slogans at that stage! Lol I can’t believe my Mum didn’t have a heart attack…..although I do remember a lecture on yes you can wear them but don’t let anyone see them! With a look of disapproval that I NOW understand! Geez Mum was laid back I wouldn’t ever let a daughter of mine wear that! Lol
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It’s really great ready stuff like this. One of my biggest struggles after having my daughter was establishing my identity. I really didn’t want to be just ‘mum’. I never wanted to separate myself into ‘roles’, and now, with help, I’ve been able to get through that. Women should be encouraged to be themselves, and not just being a mother. Just because we can have a baby doesn’t mean we should lose our identity. It’s important to find the time and effort to be who we are before, during and after childbirth. Naughty undies or not.
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I detest the phrase ‘yummy mummy’. Unfortunately it’s my MIL’s favourite way to compliment me.
I’m no better or worse looking since having my baby, and being a mum doesn’t define who I am or what I look like.
I tried explaining this to her once and got shut down with ‘just accept the compliment!’
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My boss saw me at the gym after having a baby and said: “trying to get your body back are you?”. Ah, no. I’ve had my body the whole time you dickhead.
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Love it!!! Will be saying that (in my head!) from now on if someone says that to me!!!
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We know a fairly conservative couple with a few older children (all out of high school now). The husband bought the wife a nightie with ‘milf’ written on it, and not knowing what it was, figured it was a brand name. When the kids got a look, they were horrified…then proceeded to tell everyone they knew about ti, including all their parents friends!
Moral of the story – if you don’t want anyone who wouldn’t normally see you in your undies to find out what kind of undies you’ve been wearing, these ones are probably not the best choice!
On a side note, Victoria’s Secret here in the US makes no secret of their marketing towards teens. Which, to be honest, distresses me a little more than a mother wearing these same undies.
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Let me get this straight – you buy stuff on line and forget you even bought it until it is delivered. Life must be tough on struggle street Mia.
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I know. Can you believe it! When the Mercedes arrived I was really stumped….
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Nicely replied Mia! I’m in financial struggle town (aren’t we all when on mat leave??) but I’m also very forgetful so that sort of thing happens to me a fair bit too! Besides- why does everyone have to be so bloody judgmental? (she says being judge mental of the judgmental one!!)
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Touché Mia!
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That’s not fair! They’re only undies not a one-carat diamond ring and she was sick at the time.
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The same thing has happened to me several times; half the fun of online shopping I think!
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It’s like being your own any time Santa!
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I am up twice a night breastfeeding my baby, and I always have my iPhone or iPad alongside me. I have a habit of checking those ozsale type sites at 4.00am, and an even worse habit of just popping things in my online shopping cart. Paypal makes it too easy, as I don’t even have to get up and get my credit card. Strange little parcels keep appearing at the door as I do it when I’m half asleep and then in the morning I’ve forgotten all about it. It IS like being my own Santa!
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Ha ha, I can imagine! I’ve been doing the same thing as I just started a new job and am not always sleeping well. A few weeks ago I bought some things in the wee hours of the night and packages have started trickling in every few days. It’s actually a nice thing to come home to after a stressful day! You’re right about PayPal though, far too easy to buy without moving from your chair. Luckily I still manage to be reasonably sensible with my cash when half asleep in an online store
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Yeah, well, I bought the new Radiohead album online last year and ordered a copy of it on vinyl. When that arrived 3 months later I’d forgotten about ordering it.
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Anonymous – let me explain a little more. When you work in the kind of job I do, all sorts of things arrive that are weird sent by publicists trying to drum up some media coverage for their clients.
It might be an iron. Or a vibrator. Or some moisturiser. Or some fly spray.
So in the context of that, yes, I am occasionally baffled.
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Or a vibrator that sprays fly spray . . . Or not . . .
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I think you may have some issues if you need that kind of two in one! to a doctor, stat!
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I think explaining underwear to the kids would be easier than the vibrators…
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Mia probably does a zillion things on the computer every day…it’s easy to forget..I don’t think it’s very nice to make someone feel bad because they can afford to make a fun online purchase.
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I buy groceries and forget a couple of days later that I did(that is when hubby asks if I was at the shops and what I bought, I say, no I didn’t buy anything, until I realise, that I DID buy obviously groceries). So I think it’s not too uncommon to forget such things…
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Anonymous, life must me tough on Jealous Junction.
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Sell it on eBay!
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Ah, thanks for that anecdote about your friend Mia! I am a single mum who is so terrified of this scenario (well, there are deeper reasons too) that I have been celibate now for 3 1/2. My daughter is nearly 3- the idea of dating again is no longer completely terrifying, but the idea of having a man in our apartment for some reason is something i just can’t get my head around. Even if she wasn’t home it’s pretty obvious a toddler lives here, and I can’t go there – even in my head. But frankly, not sure I want to spend the rest of my life as a virtual nun either. I’m only 29!!
Everyone tells me that I’ll “know” when I’m ready. It’s just not something I can picture, and I won’t lie, the sex with a kid around plays a part in my dilemma! I can imagine myself reacting EXACTLY the same as your friend. Or like Miranda in Sex and the City when she was a single mum.. “mommy’s coming”… Hilarious. Yet terrifying.
Aaahhh it is never easy I know..
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no brainer, I wouldn’t wear something that said those things anyway. Not before kids, not now.
It isn’t a ‘don’t want to be sexy’ thing, I just think clothes with sayings like these aren’t attractive.
I found the info about the French women/mothers really interesting. makes me think about what I am going to wear today.
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Wearing nice clothes even when at home with small people is a very happy thing but alarm bells ring for me when anyone says ‘French’. I’m pretty sure the reference is to Elisabeth Badinter’s new book which is a best-seller in France and has been glowingly reviewed in Australia (trip to Paris to interview an author, anyone?). She also encourages readers to drink and smoke while pregnant/ breastfeeding and to not inconvenience oneself with breastfeeding if you don’t feel like it, because we’re all too uptight about caring for children, apparently. I’ve been hoping for something reflective from mamamia on this one…
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oh gee…i don’t even WEAR undies….. sometimes i feel like I’m the only one LOL I’m fearful that this will change when Im a mum, but i kinda like to think my no undies wearing policy helps to keep me more comfortable in my body…. any thoughts?
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Ahahha, and I never wore clothes to bed pre-kids. My partner didn’t either. Sigh. Those were the days! But I tell you what- you’ll need undies when you’re pregnant. You’ll need them for the panty liners. Or incontinence pads! Ah, the joys of motherhood
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I just don’t get the logistics of the no-undies thing. Seriously, is there no ..mess…?? Sorry, genuine enquiry.
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Exactly what I was thinking!!
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nope, no mess, no fuss…. you should give it a try sometime, its quite liberating
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I was never particularly raunchy before I had kids, so I haven’t really had to segregate my home identity. I just kind of get on with the business of being me, and everybody deals. And yes, this occasionally means jumping up from special hugs to grab the baby, or having the kids see dad cop a quick feel in the kitchen, but that’s ok. No therapy bills for anyone yet!
It was actually harder for my workmates to wrap their heads around me being a mother. One guy saw me interacting with my eldest and was actually speechless for a good minute. I didn’t realize how unmaternal and sweary I am at work until that happened….
I have an anecdote about couch sex. My mate was loving his wife, their two year old walked in, he was so shocked he immediately finished the job, and that’s what he blames on them now having twins!!
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LMAO! Oh dear…..only you Mia!
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Bin the undies.
My brother and I used to go through our parents stuff all the time when we were young and we were bored.
They will find them and judge you.
Just saying
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This!! Every second you’re not home, your children are pawing through your private drawers. Trust me.
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wear the underpants, the kids will acclimatize
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About a month ago, I was chatting to a bunch of girlfriends when I let slip (admittedly over a few glasses of wine) that I’ve never owned a vibrator. I’m in my 30′s and they thought I should be educated on the subject, so the next day they took me on a sex shop tour of Newtown and bought me one.
Cut to 2 weeks ago when my 3 year old daughter manages (for the first time) to open my top drawer and pulls out my new shiny purple vibrator, turns it on and starts laughing hysterically. “Mummy, what IS this?” “Ummmm…. its a special massage toy. You put it on your back and it makes your sore muscles feel better.” Cue her attempting to do just that on herself until I was able to distract her with a handful of marshmallows. Needless to say, I can’t even look at it now, let alone use it!
Mia, I’d keep those undies out of sight. I’ve heard my parents having sex on the odd occasion and now, as an adult I think “That’s wonderful, I’m glad they still love each other enough to do that. But… I don’t really want to hear it!” For me I’m happy for my daughter to see me loving and affectionate with my partner, and looking sexy to an extent… but seeing my raunchy underwear is a bit… well, too much information.
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As a new (8 months old!) Mum, i’m very interested in this topic! Any advice on how to reconcile both, or at least accommodate both would be appreciated, from here it seems like mission impossible!
My sexy undies haven’t seen any action in a very long time..
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Oh hon, I feel your pain. I didn’t have sex from 7 months pregnant until my daughter was almost 1.
If you can, I’d suggest getting a babysitter and making a regular date night, even if its only once a fortnight. I found it difficult to be relaxed having sex, knowing my newborn was in the next room and could wake up any time… I’d hear a slight noise and then would prick my ears up. And then ruin the moment.
If you can’t afford a babysitter, even a weekly sit down dinner at home (with the tv off, maybe some candles and wine) helps. I know some women will object to this, but getting a bit glammed up helps. For both of you. I know for me, I was wearing trackies, no make-up and my hair a mess for quite a while before I realised how visual men are, and how unattractive I felt… a little effort goes a long way. Good luck, hopefully you’ll be swinging off the chandeliers in no time
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Thanks! Quite a few moments have been ruined (how DO they time their cries so well?!) and i’m definitely rocking the trakkies more often than not.
I feel worse for the husband, I don’t feel much hankering but am trying to be a good sport when the planets align for long enough..
Will try for a date night & here’s hoping!
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So sweet of you to help her out! You just restored my faith in humanity, or at least in Mama Mia fans
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Definitely try to ditch the trakkies more often. Not for him, but for you. I’ve found that when I dress a bit better, not even glammed up or sexy, just make a bit more effort more often then I feel better about myself and im more interested in taking advantage of the few moments we have available.
I wish I could suggest a way to turn off their cries, im still working on that little problem
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Thank God I’m not the only one!
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