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I come home from work absolutely exhausted. I’ve worked the typical eight hour day (plus commute), battled for a seat on a train and two buses, ate lunch at my desk and worried endlessly about advertising revenue and why seasoned clients had gone elsewhere for their advertising pages. All I want to do is plonk down on the couch and put my feet up, putting the day behind me so I can gather enough motivation and energy to start a new one the next day. But my slightly younger brother, home before me and already fed, showered, and dressed, wants a glass of water.

In another household, I would’ve yelled at him to go and get it himself. I was not his slave, and I’d only just got home from work. But my father was on the opposite side of the living room, watching the Lebanese news via satellite TV, and this was not the way of doing things in his home. I got up and got my brother his glass of water, all the while complaining inwardly about the unfairness of it all.

Such was life in my adolescence and early twenties, when I was old enough to understand that this was not the way that things should be in 21st Century Australia, but far too young (and not confident enough) to express my discontent about it. Instead, I manifested this discontent into the vow that when I married and moved out of home, my home life would be different, reflecting the changed dynamics of Australian home life and the reality that women of the modern age were a lot more than just homemakers who catered to the every whim of the men in their lives – be it their husbands, brothers or children.

I’d grown up in a 1950’s style household. My father rarely worked outside his day job and the handyman jobs around the house, and my mother did every household job you could think of, and often let her health suffer for it. I remember turning 13 and watching as she clutched her stitched-up stomach with one hand, while she mopped the floor with another, two days after a particularly distressing miscarriage. She was still cooking meals despite her personal tragedy, and although I can’t remember, I don’t doubt that a fortnight later she would be hovering around the oven and stove, setting the table, and preparing meals for the frequent guests at our dinner table. And after every meal, dad and my brother would leave their plates, cutlery and glasses at the table, not bothering to make the short journey to the sink en-route to their place of relaxation on the couch in front of the TV or the Nintendo.

Granted, my father had grown up in a different time and culture that I, let alone most Australian women, could not identify with. Apart from those traits that seemed strange to me, he was the perfect family man. In the small Lebanese village where he grew up, that was the way that things were done, and despite his move to Australia at the young age of 17 (where opportunities to change no doubt abounded) his attitudes remained the same. My mother’s environment was not any different, and although she’s been married for over 25 years and has lived away from her parents that entire time, I still hear my maternal grandmother’s advice to her on her rare visits to Australia: You have to do what pleases him, no matter how sick or pained you are. Because you know, the only positive reinforcement we deserve to get is tied in with whether or not our husbands are happy, even if it is at our expense.

In all honesty, I had a rather privileged upbringing where chores were concerned. I was not exactly the perfect housewife in training. I had to do the little things, like dishes and dusting and washing up, but my complaints came more from a place of observation as opposed to personally-encountered suffering. Yes, I hated it when my brother used the electric shaver and left hair all over the bathroom sink. I hated doing his bed in the morning or putting his dirty clothes in the hamper because I was a girl who had to do it and he was a boy who didn’t. But I bided my time, and when the time came to get married, I fell for someone whose mentality was as far removed from little Lebanese villages and 1950’s gender roles as possible.

I assumed my transition to another home and lifestyle would be completely different, but I had no idea how ingrained the attitudes to women and housework were, and how men and women’s attitudes to home and work life differ.

My husband, who works shifts and has a couple of days off per week, will use his day off for his own personal enjoyment (and rightly so). When and if he has caught up with friends, done his exercise, got his beloved cup of coffee and played a few video games, he’ll turn to the household chores. If he doesn’t have the time for them, they don’t get done. But I’ll devote the relished annual leave day that I take here and there to everything from bill-paying, phone calls with health insurers and telco companies, cleaning those annoying places (behind the toilets and microwave etc) and general home duties before I devote it to myself and my manicure/book-writing/lunch with the girls.

At the moment, Ita Buttrose is enjoying a resurrection of fame when it comes to my generation, thanks to the screening of Paper Giants: The Birth of CLEO not long ago, but the show just made me realise that that maybe, we women have not come very far at all, Lebanese or not. Just as I saw Buttrose (played by Asher Keddie) come home from work to cook dinner for her husband and hold editorial meetings from her hospital room just after giving birth, I can’t open a magazine or watch a women’s panel show segment without reading or hearing about the plight of the modern woman juggling her work and home duties and feeling like she’s failing miserably at both. But yet there they were, the CLEO team of the early 70’s, both optimistic and relishing of the changes they were making for women by raising their awareness of the fact that there was a bigger world opening up for them, all thanks to women’s lib.

My family skipped the feminist movement altogether because they were too busy evacuating a civil war. But the funny thing is that thirty or forty years later, they still have not caught up with it and my generation is suffering, maybe by choice and maybe because we can’t seem to avoid it.

Where I was once so adamant that our division of duties in the home would be fifty/fifty (while we both work-full-time, that is), I am nowadays so confused about the ingrained attitudes of my childhood and the woman I professed that I’d be due to my steady diet of feminist blogs and magazines. I’m so paranoid that the type of husband that I deliberately chose will change his outlook towards men and housework due to his immersion in my family and it leaves me torn between wanting to serve my husband a hot, home-cooked meal upon his arrival from work or telling him off over the littlest things lest he learn to take me for granted. It’s very much along the lines of saying “Sure my darling, would you like some feminist with that?” every time he asks me to pass the peas.

I’ll openly admit that I’d be happy to do all the chores if I was a stay-at-home wife who could write in between dishes and laundry and dusting, but for the time being, I am plagued with so many questions, even though I’m realistic enough to know that some couples have navigated this territory perfectly.

So do I risk being a good, contented person (with no grudges whatsoever to my home life) at the expense of escaping being a good housewife? Can I escape the attitudes that I have been born and bred with, the ones I’d promised to escape but that are threatening to catch up with me? How will I fare with the duties that I do want to fulfil more than anything – supportive wife and eventually, doting mother – if I am already questioning whether or not they’re intertwined with housework and subservience to everyone who is not me?

Women’s liberation has come a long way, but there are still a lot of elephants in our kitchens and our boardrooms and in our minds. They’re not made of paper, and they come seeped in history, culture, and personal attitudes. And until we figure out how to deal with them, they’re really the only giants worth worrying about.

Sarah Ayoub is a freelance journalist and copywriter whose work has appeared in Marie-Claire, Madison, CLEO, Shop Til You Drop, Sunday Mag and more. You can follow her blog here or catch up with her on Twitter here

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  2. Twinkletoes

    I feel a huge pressure to be a 1950′s housewife at home. My Mum is a domestic goddess. She doesn’t work, but I now do everything she does and work full time. It’s hard, but it’s a challenge, and I love taking care of my husband… I wish I could feel less guilty if my husband did the housework and then I could happily delegate dinner, washing or the dishes. I have so many friends who’s husband’s cook, clean, and work full time – who are these people and how do you do it?!

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  3. chellebelle

    This topic irks me (as in, my situation does, not the writing!) because both husband and I feel like we do more than the other! He does the bulk of the cooking, all of the house maintenance, most of the gardening (I mow sometimes) and pays most of the bills. I do the shopping (food, plus everything else we need unless it comes from Bunnings – in which case he does it gleefully), the laundry, the kitchen and incidental cleaning (we have a cleaner fortnightly), and organise everything to do with the kids. He does spider catching and light globe changing cos he’s not scared, and tall enough to do lights without a chair! We put one child to bed each at night and take turns getting up to them in the morning. When we go away on our regular coast trips I pack for myself and the kids, and pack all of the kitchen/other things the 4 of us need. He packs it all into the trailer. On paper it looks fairly even, but we both feel we do more, and we both get annoyed by it!

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    • Jules

      I don’t have kids but aside from that this is almost exactly my situation too! (although I kill those damn spiders) We both think we do the majority of the work around the house… it’s not a major point of contention but there is a lot of eye-rolling as one of us goes to do the dishes ‘for the 4th time this week…’ or whatever…

      For the record – he’s wrong, I’m certain I do more!

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  5. Gold

    When i first moved out of home i was lost! I was a capable 23 year old and here I was asking my bf how to use a washing machine, how to use an oven properly and even how to mop a floor! I grew up in a house where dad and us kids never did chores. Dad did the entire garden and all handyman jobs but my sister and i never set foot in mums kitchen, let alone help out or be asked to help out. Mum never really complained though, so it’s hard to feel guilty about it. I look back now and realise how un prepared i was to move out of home…let alone RUN a home

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  6. Meg

    Interesting. My spouse was raised in a traditional household (my fatherinlaw still has no idea what’s in the kitchen), and my own father was requested to help out with many tasks, including ironing, cooking and vacuuming. Admittedly, this was under duress, and rarely to the satisfaction of my mother.

    In our home, I tend to organize and plan the attack, since I’m at home with kids, but my husband still does plenty of chores, including cooking. He is solely responsible for toilets! My view is that if we were both working full-time, we’d both be responsible. My main role during the day is caregiver not housecleaner, and that should therefore remain unchanged. He agrees.

    I don’t know how much our parents influenced our arrangements.

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  7. Tania

    I am a feminist who works full time and is also a wife and a mother to three kids.

    With regard to housework etc I believe it’s give and take and focussing on what we do best and ‘enjoy’ more than others (a bit like work :) ). Unfortunately unless you have full time domestic ‘help’ then we all have to do domestic chores or live in our own filth :)

    So, I do the following tasks exclusively:
    - meals
    - laundry

    He does (exclusively):
    - garden
    - car stuff
    - household maintenance

    We have a cleaner come once a week but we still regularly clean up, sweep, vacuum, empty/stack dishwasher etc. Whoever is around and notices the mess does it.

    That said, he is still really good at prioritising his exercise on the weekend (tennis) come hell or high water and I tend to give up my exercise for any tiny conflict with the kids’ schedule. I admire him for that, even if I resent it a bit. :)

    He would have no idea what the kids eat for school lunches and which kid hates which food LOL….. I, on the other hand, would have no idea how to start the lawnmower nor do I change lightbulbs.

    My ‘brand’ of feminism is not about me being empowered to not to anything domestic nor to be a pampered princess but to ensure that there is an equal division of labour.

    ETA: that before we had kids, he did most of the housework too :) now it’s much more equal

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  8. La Bella Figura

    Sarah, curious to know, did you ever say no to your mother or father? You seem to have just accepted your role in the family and picked up after your brother. Did you ever stand up to your father? Curious to know as I had a very traditional family and fought every single day, fought for my mum, then moved out very young as a result.

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  9. La Bella Figura

    My mum is still a slave to my dad. Ethnic background, very traditional, kids don’t move out until they are married, mum runs around does everything and doesn’t stop. This is what seriously bugs me about ethnic families: mothers are usually under the thumb of their husbands, brothers/sons lap up the luxury, daughters are either slaves or lap up the luxury of their mother being their slave too. If you don’t like living this way, move out! I did and very young my parents were too embarassed to tell anyone I wasn’t living at home because God forbid I moved out before I was married. I have ethnic friends who live at home in their thirties and forties, don’t pay bills, mummy does everything for them, but they own about five properties because they never lifted a financial finger. We argue all the time about it and I’m embarassed when I meet men who live at home or their mothers still do their washing. My husband can’t cook for shit, basic meals but he does his best, but apart from that he pulls his weight and rarely has to be asked. I’m eternally grateful for him. Mothers raise your sons to be able to look after themsleves not what tradition dictates or you will be stuck with kids in their forties living at home having mummy wash their clothes
    like my own relatives. Makes my skin crawl!

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    • Tania

      I think the next generation (our generation) has changed that. My cousins come from families that had what you might call a fairly ‘traditional, ethnic’ approach but they have all grown up to have different approaches to their families. Especially the boys who married women who weren’t like their mothers at all and so they had to learn to be domestic pretty quickly :)

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  10. Nicki

    Oh geez. This. Is. Such. A. Sore. Spot. For. Me.

    Sarah, this attitude of certain men is not confined to Lebanese culture. I’m not saying that my situation is/was any worse than yours, but I understand where you’re coming from. I grew up with the “but he’s a boy, and you’re a girl” double-standard, too. And I’ve got predominantly British-colonial Australian ancestry. AND I’m a child of the ’70′s. But regional Australia is still decades behind the rest of the western, urbanised world. And even in our supposedly civilised, equal, western, urban world, there is still an expectation that females will “pick up the slack”.

    If I could start my life over again, I wouldn’t have lived with any of my partners – current partner included.

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  11. Melderberry

    My husband is exemplary compared to some of the partners mentioned here but I think we’re still a way off a 50/50 split.
    What I’ve found works really well is when there’s something that needs doing, I think of another task of similar effort that needs doing (there’s never a shortage…) and ask my husband which he’d prefer eg “Would you like to prepare dinner or fold and put away the washing and put another load on?”. He’ll usually chose the slightly easier task or the one that involves machinery but at least a) he’s aware of the work I’m doing and hence appreciates it; and b) he does more house work. I don’t think a chore list or roster would work, I think he’d find it demeaning.
    I honestly think that it just doesn’t occur to him what needs doing and I could be flat out doing housework but if it’s not blatantly obvious what’s been done, he doesn’t notice or appreciate the work (which makes me feel a bit resentful). Eg changing sheets, cleaning bathrooms, folding and putting away clothes, washing floors, etc are not obvious that they have been done.

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  12. Anon

    Its not hard to pick up a broom and sweep the house. I do all the inside work, my fiancé does all the outside work and that’s how I like it. I pay someone to iron for me or we get things dry cleaned. I refuse to mow the lawn or garden.
    I cook 4 times a week and the rest of the time we out.
    I wouldn’t have it any other way.

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  13. Kate in To

    Cant write more than this because it stresses me out too much.. i do 90% of all housework/cooking and work full time.

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    • La Bella Figura

      That’s nuts! Tell him to man up!

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    • blu-k

      It’s time to take a stand Kate! Be honest – tell him, I will no longer do x, y and z – I expect you to do them.

      Pick things that have immediate consequences and let him feel them. E.g. If he doesn’t put his clothes in the hamper, pick them up, put them in a garbage bag and place them in the garage. (with no malice, or nagging, if he asks you just calmly tell him they were in the way).

      Tell him in front of the the kids he is cooking dinner on Saturday nights and let them complain to him if there is no dinner!

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    • Brooke

      Yup… same here. I also do the books for my partners business on top of the housework, cooking and working full time…

      I need a holiday.

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  14. Tripitaka

    Great article!

    I like to look at it in terms of how much rest each partner gets, as opposed to how much work each partner does. Simply because it’s easier to calculate and therefore make fair. Both partners should have some down time – and what is fair will vary depending on the amount of stress involved in each partner’s day job.

    Lucky for me my partner has a super fun day job.

    He is usually great with helping out around the house. One thing that really annoys me though is that whenever he is going to cook dinner he always asks me “what should I cook?” He doesn’t realise that coming up with the idea of something that all 4 of us will eat, is healthy, easy, not-too-expensive, etc. etc. is actually about 70% of the work.

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    • Jess

      “One thing that really annoys me though is that whenever he is going to cook dinner he always asks me “what should I cook?” He doesn’t realise that coming up with the idea of something that all 4 of us will eat, is healthy, easy, not-too-expensive, etc. etc. is actually about 70% of the work.”

      OMG YES! I hate having husband say “I’ll cook dinner” to then have to plan it, go to the shops, then talk him through the steps myself anyway. I would have much preferred to have spent the time at the gym (like he usually is when i do the dinner) or even better yet, watching my latest ep of Gossip GIrl. If i do that however, i get the- “well it’d be nice if you hung out the washing/vacuumed/dishes/tidy whilst im cooking”…

      Vent over.

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    • Tania

      LOL yes that sounds like me – I’ve turned into my MIL who asks us at breakfast what we want her to cook for dinner (when we’re staying with her -she’s always scandalised when we say ‘let’s go out to eat’…) But it’s hard to work out what to cook each night, that the family members also feel like eating – if it was really up to what I wanted they’d eat laksa every.single.night :)

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  15. dkmum

    The devision of chores at my parents house was that my mum did everything internal and my dad everything outside. While my dad worked outside the home and ran an independent business from home as well, my mum had her own business that she ran from home, often working til midnight after we’d been put to bed. Later on she also worked outside the home. Basically full time positions + for both of them.

    As my dad has gotten older, my mum now handles the mowing of lawns and most of the other gardening jobs too, after coming home from an 8 hour day, doing all the cooking and cleaning etc. Meanwhile my dad either sits at his computer playing card games, or is asleep in front of the TV.

    I always swore I’d never marry a guy like my dad. I firmly believe in a 50/50 distribution of chores, and honestly I’d prefer mowing lawns and chopping away at shrubs to cooking and cleaning. Sadly we have no gardens at our house apart from a few rosebushes, and my husband things his 6 months/year off work is holiday time… somehow I’ve gotten my self into the exact position I didn’t want.

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  16. kateb

    I often wonder what influences our behaviour. I am one of 3 girls, my sisters helped my mother in the house, I helped my father do the yard and work on the cars.

    My husband came from a very traditional family: stay at home mum etc. Yet when I pointed out the fact that when we had visitors or we went visiting I was the one expected to get up and do supper, he was surprised, he had never thought about it.

    When I worked full time he decided to write a list of all chores ( including yard work) and we would split everything. He thought he picked the “easy” option of shopping for groceries and cooking every night. When we both retired at the same time, he was thrilled I could now cook every second night. Good I said you can take on some of the cleaning, worse move I have ever made: he is much pickier than I am and will often point out where I have slide past something. Dam!!! I mean for two of us (kids have left home now) how often can you vacuum.?

    However that doesn’t answer Sarah’s problem. you need to speak up now, write out a list and how you would like to share, have a Saturday morning housework time that you do together, it becomes very obvious how much is to be done if done together. An hour every night for washing etc, always do the chores at the same time. After a while it will be solved or you will find that you love him enough to put up with it or you will move on.

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  17. gijo101

    I work 3 days a week and probably do 60% of the home duties. When my husband and I moved in together 10 years ago we did 50/50 but when I fell pregnant we got a cleaner which makes things much easier.

    He has always done his own washing. People think this is strange but his clothes can fill our 7.5kg washing machine and I do mine, my 2 sons, sheets & towels so there is no reason why he can’t do his own. He is home first on the days I work so cooks dinner those nights (mostly easy meals) but he also cooks one night on the weekend and I do all the grocery shopping/meal planning. If one person cooks, the other does the dishes so it works out pretty evenly.

    The thing that gets me is tidying. I like a tidy house, everything in its place. Husband doesn’t care. With 2 boys age 2 and 5 it’s constant tidying but I like to think with hubby cooking/washing etc he is being a good role model for our sons.

    Whatever works for you but if you are not happy, speak up. Your partner may not realise you are want them to do their fair share.

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    • dkmum

      My situation is similar to yours. I work 3 days/week and have a 2-year-old. I like a tidy house, my husband doesn’t care unless his friends are coming around. He often cooks and I mostly clean.

      However, my husband works away, four weeks on – four weeks off. So when he’s away I do it all. Grandted there is one less person to cook and clean for, but also one less person to watch our child, so things can get done un-interrupted.

      What bothers me is when he’s back from work, he’ll wash his own clothes, but not mine, unless I ‘build the piles’ for him. He NEVER dusts, apparantly that’s not a man’s job (he likes to kid around, but this is all I can get out of him), and I can’t remember the last time he cleaned the bathrooms or mopped the floors. As I said, he does cook a fair bit and 3 times out of 4 does the dishes when I’m working, but that just doesn’t cut it for me.

      I do tell him, but nothings changes.

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  18. Faybian

    I asked my mother once what sort of difference the women’s lib movement made to her life and she answered that she didn’t need women’s lib, as she already did what she wanted. She went on the OCP in 1961 and consequently didn’t have us kids until 3 years and so on after she got married. She worked up until then, went back to work shortly after I went to school and went full time to put us through a good school. While she has her faults (she drank way too much) and could be bossy to dad and us kids, she was the primary reason I didn’t stay in a violent relationship for long (a year). Some of my friends mums did everything for their husbands and it was always slightly surprising to me. I find that my husband is better in the house and with the kids than some of my friends too. Example from my parents?? Who knows.

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  19. Jenny

    Get a cleaner! Then no-one resents doing more housework than the other.

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    • jayjay

      Yes, pay a migrant woman to clean your house so you and your partner don’t have to have an annoying discussion about the division of labour.

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      • Jez

        She did say PAY a cleaner not keep one as a slave!

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        • Jezebel

          Oops no she didn’t say pay but if u pay your cleaner well what’s wrong with that?

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      • Faybian

        My cleaner is not a migrant. Neither have any of the others been. We pay her what she asks, for the job. Simple.

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      • meljb

        what is wrong with paying a migrant woman (or any other person) to clean your home? It means they are employed. Perhaps the hours suit them. Perhaps they aren’t qualified to do anything else. Perhaps, and this one i don’t understand but I believe there are some women out there like this, perhaps they enjoy cleaning!

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    • Nicki

      Yeah, because everyone can afford a cleaner.

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  20. JosieY

    Great article! I’m a terrible housekeeper. So’s my husband. So we live in squalor. :) Apart from that, he does the cooking and I do the mowing… which now that I think about it is what my parents do!

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  21. Dee of Adelaide

    I could never live doing more than my share.

    We have renegotiated our arrangements over the years depending on work and family needs, but I’ve rarely done 50% of the housework. Part of that is because ‘housework’ is usually narrowly defined. Always in my column has been things like finances, house renovating, organising presents/travel/birthdays. Big Fella has always cooked and shopped. Most of the time he has done all the rest of the ‘cleaning’, usually because he has worked shorter hours. I did most of the cleaning as well as my normal jobs for the first 6 months of red rocket’s life when I was only working 20 or so hours form home. God I hated it.. I do most of the mowing/car maintenance but Big Fella grows all the veggies.

    I don’t think equal has to be 50% of the cleaning. It takes so much to run a house – including working, child caring, organising, etc. We have always felt that on the whole, we were pretty evenly split, but based on strengths and interests not that I’ve ever emptied a bin or he has ever called a tradesman.

    My parents had the traditional SAHM/breadwinner arrangements. I didn’t think it worked that well for them. That said, she could never have given up all that control over her house. It irritates her no end that Big Fella decides where things go in the kitchen (for instance) or what curtains we get. She can’t believe I have things I don’t like, but its not MY house its ours, which is the fundamental difference about how we arrange our relationships.

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  22. JL

    My Mum did everything around the home when we were growing up…so much so that it was part of why they got divorced….BUT, I am naturally rebellious and naturally and equal opportunist(is that even the right phrase?) My mum would do lots but she still made us do equal chores around the house….there is no way she could get away with just asking her eldest daughter(me) to clear the table without me glaring at my brothers to help….i never did a job without them doing their equal share and i am still not sure where i get it from…..if my brother tried to make me get a glass of water for him and complained i would beat the crap out of him(sibling fighting of coarse) but i have never ever let any person tell me to do a ‘womans’ job and i still cant work out how i got this way….i think its just the rebellious nature…My husband does most of the house work, i cook and give birth….we both work freaking hard at our business and we share responsibilies at home….he is better at cleaning so he does majority…i am better at cooking so i do this…i am better at reading books to our son, he is better at climbing tree’s with our son….there is no way i would marry a pig that comes home and puts his feet up….it would last all of two seconds with me….My son is taught to take dishes away and help with every single thing that he can around the house and if our second child was a girl she would be taught the same things…no such thing as a girls job in my house…it doesnt exist…well except the giving birth bit..and this one i use to my advantage…

    one thing i have learnt when dealing with males doing ‘womans jobs” around the house….DONT GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR IT…..we are usually just expected to do all the house jobs without an ounce of ‘hi fives’ yet people often tell me how amazing my husband is blah bla…yes he does things around the house thats great, but i dont get special hi fives for doing these jobs, so he is not getting it..it sounds really horrible i know, i do appreciate the work that gets done by him cos it means i dont have to do it…..but when someone comments about it, i just tell them that my mum does 5 jobs and comes home from work and cooks and irons and cleans and does bookwork and everythign for her partner and she doesnt get amazing remarks. My husband is just doing his equal share…and so he should and until woman get special treatment for doing these house jobs then he certainly isnt getting any special hi fives!

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    • Black Cherry

      I agree.My partner seems to expect praise and special treatment whenever he cleans something. I get “Did you see I cleaned the loo?” coupled with an expectant smile. I feel like saying, yes well, I clean the loo every single week and no one ever thanks me, so until someone thanks me for cleaning everything, all the time, no praise for you!

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  23. elle

    Brilliant article Sarah! So relevant for all women in Australia, often juggling different worlds between that of their family and of ‘modern, feminist’ views. Although I grew up in a modern, Australian family my mother cooked dinner every night and did the majority of domestic chores. Interestingly my father is now remarried, learnt to cook and now prepares the majority of meals and shares cleaning chores. I am fiercely feminist yet find myself wanting to cook my boyfriend dinner and ‘take care’ of him sometimes. Luckily he is much tidier and domesticated than me and likes to do things himself. I also find myself at my father’s extended family gatherings preparing tea and food and also cleaning up afterwards while the men sit around. Hmm

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  24. Guest

    I think the primary difference (albeit a stereotype) is that men just don’t care as much as women do about some of the things we do around the house. They can live with dust, rings around the bath, hair in the drain, dirty floors etc for a lot longer than we can. We notice these things need doing and I don’t think they notice until it’s REALLY bad.

    Most of the women I know have to ask their blokes directly to do chores (and detail what needs doing to avoid misunderstanding) rather than just asking them to ‘help out’ , which might mean checking the letter box that one extra time LOL.

    There are some men that do actively look at what needs doing and do it. But they are few and far between. Most will only do things when we are watching too. It;s like “look at me! I’m unpacking the dishwasher … log this one in your memory bank!” whereas women just get on with it and don’t fish for thanks after.

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  25. Hayley

    I can’t believe how different my experience is from so many here. My bf came from a household where his mother has never worked so she did all the inside chores. The kids were still expected to clean their rooms and pitch in a little but she did the majority.

    When my bf and I got to the stage where he was almost at my place full time I was a bit nervous about chores. Finally I just brought it up and he said he was embarrassed that his mum used to do so much for him that he didn’t know how to do basic things like use a washing machine. A few tutorials later and he is amazing. We have been living together for ages now and cleaning is rarely a problem. Sometimes the quality isn’t equal but if he has spent half an hour trying to work out which cycle is best for my delicates then I am happy. The effort and time mean everything.

    I am a little surprised that many women seem to not bring it up with their men. Talk to him! I would be so hurt if my partner had a day off and did not do anything that needed doing, knowing that I spend my free days doing chores if needed. How selfish is that? If someone puts themselves first in even small ways like that then how much can they really love you? If they can see you are exhausted and don’t get up and help then I say reconsider your choice of partner! Nothing says love like: ‘Sit down, let me do that.’

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  26. Sunlight

    I’m very lucky in the sense that my partner regularly contributes to the housework without being asked. In fact, if i’m being honest he does a lot more than I do. He usually does the grocery shopping and cooks dinner and packs the dishwasher. I tend to do the laundry and clean the bathrooms. But I must admit I do my housework in sporadic bursts when I feel like it or when I can’t stand seeing clutter starting to creep in. My partner is very methodical, he likes things to get done systematically and regularly.

    I guess one good thing about being Gen Y is that there was never any defined gender roles in our relationship when it comes to housework. He’s never really been thoughtless about housework and didn’t come into the relationship with the automatic assumption that someone else would clean up his mess. He just does things without me even needing to ask and I love him for it.

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  27. Stacy

    It is tricky to have an open discussion about the division of labour in the house without it becoming one long rant/nag or a laundry list of all the things he doesn’t do. My partner thinks he contributes much more than he actually does (he considers vacuuming weekly and helping with dishes to be above and beyond) and is surprised when I challenge him about it. I always ask,  why is it my task more than his? Does he want a clean house less than I do? Is his time more precious than mine? Do I deserve less time myself? We are out of the house the same amount of hours each day. Why do I come home and cook straight away while he needs a “rest”, the duration of which is always the same as the time it takes me to cook? 

    Those questions are usually answered with, “I don’t know”, or an honest admission that he doesn’t think it is fair at all, but doesn’t know why he does it.  I choose to think he genuinely doesn’t think about it in those terms, but rather more like *insert caveman voice* – “man want rest, man have rest” and therefore puts his needs first.

     Whilst he is pretty good most of the time, there is that little nugget where he was socialised and brought up to think that women should be ultimately responsible for the household.  Based on this attitude, I am expected to be grateful for him helping me at all. Sorry buddy – you are not helping me, you are helping US.  It is OUR job, not mine. 

    His parents think that it is a perversion of justice that he is asked to vacuum! How do you fight 29 years of that upbrining and make him believe that isn’t good enough in an equal partnership?

    Resentment will kill a relationship faster than anything else and it is heartbreaking to think a relationship you invested so much time in would break because someone refused to get off the couch..

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  28. Rebecca

    I wish my upbringing had stuck a bit more! My parents were/are so good at work, always researching things and staying interested in them, had such great careers. I am hideously lazy with this and resent even the work I do AT work (work which I chose, and like! it’s crazy), let alone doing extra research so I could be even better at it.
    When it comes to housework…boy are they messy. I’ve recently moved back in with them and find myself doing almost all the housework, as they can leave it for ages before they notice. Gender/division of tasks-wise, they are totally equal – both grubby and contented.

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  29. Essi

    Ahhhh……. I think we all have the same issues. Maybe in a generation or two we might have ironed them out.
    My husband claims that he doesn’t want to be confined by gender roles and that I should take equal responsibility for the traditional male roles. The elephant in the room is then that he doesn’t take equal responsibility for the traditional female roles.
    I mow the lawn, do the household repairs, book the cars in to be serviced, manage all the finances…. That is after I’ve cooked dinner, cleaned up, done the washing, ironed the washing, listened to the readers, fed the baby, signed the school notes and cleaned up after the goddamn elephant.
    But all this is about to change as we’ve agreed to swap roles. I will work full time and he will knock off every day at 2.30 to pick the kids from school and childcare. I am refusing to cook or do laundry during the week and boy, does it show. I am having ‘bread winner angst’ every time I hear the words ‘efficiency measures’ and ‘natural attrition’ at work though!
    The mess is growing higher and higher, but I think it will be worth it in the end.

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  30. JACS

    I think the bit that does my head in is the fact that if he does something without be asked I am supposed to notice and say good job.

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  31. justjay

    My mother was a single mother and as the eldest I had to do a lot of household chores and learn how to do things properly as my brother was apparently too young (only 18 months younger!). It meant that I can look after myself much better, but damn it was annoying. Oh, I should mention that I’m a guy, so gender didn’t have much to do with it.

    My partner and I plan to move in next year and have already started talking about splitting up household chores. There’s a lot that he cannot do as he had quite a traditional upbringing with his mother doing most things for him. I had to teach him how to crack an egg. At 24! Seriously!

    He’s quite obsessive about keeping things tidy but can’t wash dishes properly or cook. So we’ve decided that he’ll take care of the bedroom/laundry etc (apparently I don’t fold socks correctly) and I’ll have the kitchen as cleanliness is much more important to me than tidiness. The rest we’re still negotiating. Am contemplating hiring a cleaner for some of the more heavy duty tasks though – just to take the pressure off us as we both work full time AND study.

    I am fully supportive of every couple, regardless of gender, splitting the household chores 50/50 if they both have work committments.

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    • xanderley

      I feel your pain Justjay, I had to teach my older brother how to use a potato peeler at the age of 22!

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  32. xanderley

    My very traditional Timorese grandmother would spin in her grave if she could see the way I conduct my household! As much as she tried to train me to be a good 1950′s housewife, it just didn’t stick, much to my husband’s dismay ;)

    He loves to tell the story of the first time he met my grandmother … when she asked him if he would like a cup of coffee, I answered for him, saying that he doesn’t drink coffee (which he doesn’t). My grandmother, thinking I just didn’t want to make him one, said, “You lazy, lazy girl, you make him a cup of coffee!” When I tried to explain, my good-for-nothing (then) boyfriend said he would love a cup!!! So it was either, make it for him or watch my elderly, just-had-a-hip-replacement grandmother hobble out to the kitchen and make one for him.

    It was the most vile cup of coffee I’ve ever made, and I made sure he drank every drop :)

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  33. sometimeskaren

    Two things have worked for us:

    1. Try to do housework together – I’ll do the bathrooms while he vacuums for example. Another one is I’ll put the washing on at night, he hangs it out in the morning before work, then I bring it in and fold it, we both put it away. For us, working together on tasks helps with that “team” feeling and reduces the need for keeping score.

    2. My (gorgeous and clever) husband suggested we use http://www.wunderlist.com for extra jobs that I need/want him to do. Basically it’s an online task organiser that you can share (one person joins, invites the other via email, then both can edit the lists). So when I think of something I put it on there, he does it when he can (this requires me exercising patience) and then he ticks it off. I trust him to check it regularly and work through it, he trusts me to not load it up too much!

    Something else I’ve learned is that people have different expectations of when a job needs to be done. Some people can’t relax until they’ve tidied up, others can’t tidy up until they’re relaxed. If your styles are mismatched then you simply need to compromise. It’s pointless arguing about it!

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    • sometimeskaren

      Oh yeah… I notice below that some folks find it tough to be the one with the “mental” burden of remembering things need to be done.

      I totally agree. Been there, done that, got the mental t-shirt ;)

      I overcame it though – started a routine and stuck to it so that things became automatic and didn’t need thinking about anymore. And our wunderlist thing takes care of the other stuff – when something pops into my head (buying gifts, replacing light bulbs) I can put it on there and voila, no more mental burnout. I must make note that this only works because my husband treasures me :)

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      • Lucky1

        Thanks for the great tip. I think that Wunderlist.com is just the thing that we need!

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    • xanderley

      We also do the housework together, with the children (both boys). I think it’s important that they don’t grow up thinking that there will always be someone to pick up after them.

      The boys also help me cook dinner, peeling potatoes, cutting vegetables etc and during the school holidays, each make dinner once a week (with supervison of course).

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  34. carla83

    I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I think it’s the same as when you are dating, making yourself too available. If I do everything around the house, I feel resentful but I often find my partner does things way too slowly and not the way I’d do them. But like other posters, i realise I have to give up it being done properly if I want to properly share the load. Because my partner is terrible with paperwork, I do all of it myself. I’ve realised that because of this, I need him to do something all on his own – grocery shopping and ironing. I don’t have much ironing anyway! For him to do grocery shopping means having a list of the brand names I like to buy, especially because I’m coeliac. He’s great at grocery shopping but he always spends more than I’d like to, but in the end I love eating it all!

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  35. loves2bake

    I see my marriage not as a 50:50, but as a 100:100 division, where both my husband and I try to focus on how we can bless each other. The upshot, of course, is that in doing this we are blessed ourselves. We don’t have a perfect marriage and there are things that I wish he would pull his weight more with, and the same for him where I am concerned, but I’ve found that by focusing on what the other needs and wants rather than our own, our marriage is much stronger and happier.

    I believe that women are the equals of men (although equal does not mean the same), but I have issues with some of the feminist attitudes I have encountered – I just think that some of them come at the problem from the wrong angle. In the end, I don’t think it is possible to put a weight or value on what someone does in order to compare them to someone else. And I don’t think it is beneficial either. That’s just how I see it.

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    • sometimeskaren

      I concur!

      I think some “feminist” attitudes are misguided. Having a sense of entitlement isn’t being a feminist, but I have seen many women enter marriage with an “I will NOT do that!” attitude or “He WILL treat me this way” attitude.

      It’s really unhelpful. Every relationship (even between friends, coworkers, or teammates) requires compromise. You can’t have it your way all the time.

      So while I absolutely don’t expect women to bear the burden of domestic duties (at all!!!), I DO think it’s helpful to ease up on the “feminist” demands sometimes in the interests of a happy home!!!

      (And by “feminist” I mean things that are closer to spoilt brattishness, not genuine equality :) )

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  36. hellopetal

    I don’t think putting ‘good, contented person (with no grudges whatsoever to my home life)’ on one side & ‘escaping being a good housewife’ on the other is helpful, especially the connotation that ‘contented’ is opposed to ‘good housewife.’ But that’s probably just me.
    It is actually quite an effort to transcend your upbringing sometimes. You can find yourself doing things as a wife (or a parent/mother for that matter) that you never thought you’d do or say. If you already put cleaning tasks etc ahead of your own social life regularly & by choice, you may need to practice putting yourself first before you become a mother, because there will always be stuff that needs to be done if you’re the type of person who notices that stuff. (I know because I notice that stuff too.) If you don’t look after your own needs (emotional, social, health) you can’t look after anyone else’s as effectively.
    One of the best lessons that I learnt having PND was to ask for help & discuss housework/cooking/cleaning with my husband more. And this with a husband who already did help out. Granted if you do this, you may need to accept some tasks being done to a different standard to your own & that is ok – but gee, it takes some getting used to!
    The other thing to consider is that what you may deem as the ideal housewife & doting mother may not be realistic & sometimes we have to prioritise which things in our lives can be done ‘good enough’ rather than perfectly.
    Good luck with reconciling subservience & acts that enable you & your future family to live well together.

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  37. Ash

    My boyfriend is Indian – we have been together over two years and most of these traits have left him.

    However, we went to India at the beginning of November for three weeks, and stayed with his family – he reverted to the typical ‘Indian boy’ who did nothing. No plates to the sink, no helping with the dishes, nothing. Sitting in the lounge with his brother and nephew, all calling for snacks and drinks instead of walking the three metres to the kitchen counter.

    I could have smacked him.

    Thankfully, he returned to normal once we got back to Perth and I asked him if his legs were painted on when he told (not asked) me to get some water for him. For this I am thankful.

    However, his two-years-older brother, who is also in Australia, still expects everything done for him – I’m unsure how this came to be, but want to beat it out of him (because he’s my housemate also and doesn’t do a jot of cleaning or cooking).

    Different cultures I guess.

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    • AT

      I am an Indian woman – and this shouldn’t be tolerated. Smack him!

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  38. Anonymous

    I work part time and take care of a five year old , i do all the housework , cooking and washing because i actually enjoy it and take pride in doing it. My partners job is alot more physically demanding than mine and im happy for him to sit on his arse when he gets home. I feel the balance in our relationship is good and he does do the outside jobs. I really want our son to grow up in a non argumentitive enviroment and to know that if i need help with anything his father will always oblidge.

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  39. Nini

    My father in law just turned 70 and does not know how to make a cup of tea! How is that possible!!!!

    My husband is an amazing gourmet cook but crap at tidying up and always has to be asked to do any housework.

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  40. Mooner

    I am (mainly) a stay at home Mum. Currently of 1, soon-to-be 2. Because my husband works looooong hours and often has to go away for work, I have (mainly) been happy to be the sole ‘houseworker’. I regard it as my contribution, my share of the work of running this family: he is earning most of the money, I am doing most of the housework.

    It’s only as I approach the end of this pregnancy and I am tired & sore that the load I’ve taken on for myself is starting to get too large and I’m finding it’s difficult to get my husband to help out with it because I have never expected him to before… He says all I have to do is ask, but the thing is he’s not home to do it, and if he is he’s spending some much-needed time with our daughter or catching up on work emails or having a well-earned rest (hardly ever). So the things I ask him to do either don’t get done, or I feel guilty about asking him to do anything.

    Now – because of this article – I’m also worried about the example I’m setting my daughter!

    Sigh sigh sigh.

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  41. NicoleC

    Both my Parents worked.. so the housework was 50/50
    and now living with my partner, its 50/50
    He was brought up with his mum doing everything, but i told him thats not how I work, I’m not busting my bum to have a clean house if you not either!
    we just do the jobs that need to be done, regardless of how many hours worked outside the home

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  42. Jonni

    Unfortunately, women feel the drive to perform household tasks more strongly than men for the simple reason that most of society (including herself) will judge her on this. It’s not some mysterious genetic thing, it’s the fear of being judged.
    A man knows that even if his wife/partner has just given birth/been ill/been flat out at work, if visitors drop by they don’t tend to think “Wow this guy is a terrible housekeeper” – she’s the one that doesn’t appear to have her shit together.
    And unfortunately, many men will happily let her be judged. It’s not HIS manhood on the line, after all..

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    • Kris2040

      I think I missed that lesson!

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      • Jules

        I missed it too… that does sound like something that may happen to people my parent’s age though…

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  43. Mrs_H

    Great post. As a child of the 90s I grew up with Girl Power, and was constantly told by my mother that I could grow up to be whatever I wanted, and that I should never be dependent on anybody else. “Look after yourself” was her mantra. I now look back and realise that she felt trapped in her marriage, with a man who took everything she did for granted.
    Now I have found myself in the one position she told me never to end up in. I’m on maternity leave, my parental leave pay has run its course, and my husband ‘brings home the bacon’. So I feel compelled to be the ‘dutiful’ housewife for him. And, for the most part, I actually enjoy it. I started my blog based on the contradiction that I had become. If you like, check it out at http://www.confessionsofafeministhousewife@blogspot.com
    I really hope that when I go back to work, my husband will take up some slack for me. Time will tell.

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  44. Becky

    My house has differences too. My husband grew up in a German family and had 3 sisters. He had to do everything outside and the sisters did everything inside. Males were banned from the kitchen. I grew up in a laid back Aussie household. My sister, brother and I helped in equal measures (admittedly not very often) and my mum did all the cooking. Until my daughter started school 2 yrs ago household chores were divided about 70/30. Hubby would cook, I’d clean, look after our daughter and the house etc. We both worked full time. Now though he works full time still but I work 4 half days a week as well as two subjects a semester towards a degree. Since I started that though (about 6 months ago) the division has now gone 98/2. The 2% he does is any handyman jobs (which are rare) or the lawns. Everything else like cooking, cleaning, litter box, child, ironing, bills etc are all done by me. During semester I almost have a meltdown trying to juggle everything but he has this mentality that as I don’t work full time, then I do all the chores. Never mind work or study that I do. Weekends I refuse to cook however and I have fed our daughter before and not us telling him I do it every day of the week. We have been together 22yrs so I doubt he will ever change. It’s just so damn frustrating sometimes. Or am I asking too much by wanting some help?

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    • monica

      Becky, I totally hear what you are saying as I too work part-time, study part-time and still parent two boys, clean house, do most of the chores etc….yet my husband STILL wants to move out because the boys are too noisy and he needs his quiet space. Where is the fairness in that? And, on top of it all, I am so sad the marriage won’t work out – which makes me wonder if I am CRAZY! I should be pleased he will now be forced to parent alone 5 days a fortnight, leaving me space to do my own creative thang, visit friends, go to the gym, read a book etc. And the money I will save not having to feed his expensive food tastes (on our tiny budget) and that my life will now be my own. But I still long for him to turn into the person he never was but that I want him to be – a person who wants to be a sharing parent and partner and true part of our family…LOL!

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      • Donna

        The sad thing about your post, is that he will probably now learn to appreciate his sons, get some domestic skills, and end up being the sort of person you wanted in the beginning. I’ve seen it several times with friends, and am in the middle of it happening to me too. I guess we’re just more evolved, hey?

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    • Petal

      You are not asking too much. Have you tried asking him to help out? That’s what I did when I started working full time. I asked hubby to cook one day a week and maybe do the dishes? He agreed, no questions asked. Don’t forget a lot of men have domestic blindness and will usually help out if asked!

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      • xanderley

        I would think that your part-time work and study would equal full-time work hours, so in my humble opinion, the housework should be shared 50/50.

        My mother’s family is German, and as far as I’m concerned that argument carries no weight.

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  45. Lu

    I have a martyr / control freak mother who, when we were growing up, worked fulltime and insisted insisted the house was perfect at all times. If my dad did anything around the house she would complain it wasnt up to her standard and do it all again herself. Needless to say she was always cranky and working and poor dad was often in the dog house ;)
    So from that I have learned that when my husband does stuff around the house I smile sweetly and let him get on with it. Its his home too and if he’s happy to do the way he does it, thats fine by it. I’m not his boss, we are equal.

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  46. reggie

    My husband was always happy to help out with anything domestically but I always had to suggest it first. “Just ask”, he’d say. I found it a strain because I felt like I was always asking. Then something wonderful happened. He took 6 weeks leave when I went back to work so that he could be with our youngest when he started kinder. After that he started to notice what needed to be done around the house. It was a miracle and has been fabulous ever since.

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  47. jessicavandenwassenberg

    I’m the complete opposite – my husband is the house-spouse, and does everything. Cleaning, cooking, washing etc. He also does the books for my business and helps with other aspects of it.

    We actually had an argument (well, a play-argument) last night because I went to do the dishes because he had a headache and he wouldn’t let me!

    I’m the breadwinner, and that’s the way it’s always been (though he has investments that bring money into our lives). It started because he was here as a tourist and wasn’t allowed to work, so he just took over all the domestic work, and it’s stayed that way ever since.

    He gets grumpy at me for being messy :) And he’s much more bothered by a dirty dish that I ever will be.

    I guess my point is that there *are* happy relationships out there that completely break down this old stereotype – and not all men are hopeless around the house. Sometimes, it’s the woman! ;)

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  48. Raise the kids differently

    Even if our relationships aren’t different from our parents, we can raise our sons and daughters to be different and have an equal attitude to chores :-)

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  49. Sionnan

    My husband was trained by the military many moons ago about cleaning and ironing especially. He’s good at seeing what needs to be done and is good at just getting on with it. When you have a history of performing to military room inspection standard, household chores are easy. 
    Me? I hired a cleaner. I suck at housework. 

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  50. Bunny

    This is such a topical post – just yesterday I read an article in this month’s Good Health magazine that talked briefly about ‘Spous-onomics’.

    It basically stated that the ideal for most people is to split household maintenance 50:50. Where there are things that you are good at, and other things that your partner is good at or better at, you can trade off until you come to an agreeable arrangement.

    I was going to write that my hubby and I tend to share the cleaning side of things, but now that I think about it…

    I get home earlier and I like to eat early (7, 7.30 – if we waited for my hubby to cook we wouldn’t eat until much, much later because he’s so slow in the kitchen) so I cook on weeknights. The trade-off is that my hubby cleans up afterwards… but there’s never much to be done because I wash dishes and put away as I’m preparing the meal. I hate having to remind him to do the dishes though (which I usually bring up as I’m going to bed, since I go to bed earlier).

    Some nights if he’s brought work home, he’ll tell me that he’ll do the dishes before he comes to bed… always the right intention, but if he falls asleep at his computer or on the couch, then he’ll just come straight to bed when he wakes up. Meaning the dishes sit there until I get home the next night and need to tidy the kitchen before I can cook anything.

    He is good at cleaning the toilet and the bathroom (except the shower) so whenever we have guests coming for a dinner party or drinks, we share the vacuuming, the tidying up of the house, the toilet cleaning and the bathroom cleaning.

    He hates laundry so he procrastinates about washing his shirts until the 11th hour, usually the night before he needs something for a big event. That doesn’t mean I do it for him, though.

    I tend to wash anything of mine that needs hand-washing when it needs it, and a big load of darks/colours on a Friday night or Saturday morning.

    What does get on my nerves is that every Wednesday night, I have to remind him that the next day is bin day and that he needs to pull the bins out before he parks his car in the carport.

    Because he has forgotten more often than not, usually I end up pulling the bins out, and then going around the house and emptying all the household bins and the recycling and taking it out, before I can have my shower and get dinner started. I need to stop silently seething about it and just mention it to him.

    I do appreciate that he is so good with our finances – I know that is a big worry for him (two mortgages, car payments etc) and he really wants to do his best so he spends a lot of time sorting out bills, so I do factor that into the general division of chores.

    Every day when I get home I have to remind myself that he’s worked longer hours and is just as tired as I am, so it’s better to discuss anything calmly instead of getting cranky straight away.

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    • N

      I think we are married to the same guy lol!

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