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Paper Giants The Birth of Cleo Asher Keddie Mag1 380x497 Paper Giants vs. Park St: why magazines are not what they used to be.

The promotional cover for Paper Giants

 

I’m going to try and write this post without sounding like a nana. Or one of those people who say ‘back in my day’ and then proceed to reference something totally irrelevant.

Because while I was watching the magnificent Paper Giants last night on ABC1 (the second and final instalment airs tonight at 8:30) I got thinking about how magazines have changed. How they’re just not relevant anymore. Not compared to the power and influence they once wielded.

No matter how much of a mag junkie you may be (your numbers may be dwindling but I know there are still some of you left), you cannot watch a show about the birth of Cleo magazine and its early years and not make a comparison to mags in 2011.

And not in a good way for 2011.

There was a surprising amount of excitement a few months ago when it was announced a reality show called Park Street was being made about ACP – the magazine company (located at 54 Park St) that publishes Cleo, Cosmo, Dolly and pretty much every other magazine you’ve ever read.

ACP is also the place I began my magazine career – and ended it almost 15 years later.

After the surprise success of The September Issue, the brilliant documentary about Anna Wintour and American Vogue from 2009, and the pop cultural impact of the book and movie The Devil Wears Prada a few years earlier, a local look at Australian magazines was bound to be thrilling.

There was much anticipation about the reality series, which promised a behind-the-scenes look at what really goes on at some of Australia’s most iconic magazines. Almost immediately, rival publisher Pacific Publications announced they too were going to film a reality show about Marie Claire and its editor Jackie Frank.

Park Street premiered last month and the response was not terrific. I’m not going to bag the show or the people in it. I know them, I like them, they work hard. The market has never been tougher. I watched a couple of episodes of Park Street and it was harmless enough but, like many, I was underwhelmed.

What can you say when the two main storylines in the first episode were Jessica Mauboy being late to a Cosmo photo shoot and the threat of rain before a party to celebrate Cleo’s swimsuit issue (Jessica eventually turned up and it didn’t rain – phew and phew)?

Granted, this was a ‘reality show’. Not scripted but heavily censored. Fragranced even. After all, it was funded by ACP and many of the most interesting characters left in that building refused to be involved. Wisely. It’s a risky game to leave your reputation and potentially your career to the producers of a reality show whose own livelihoods depend on making interesting television.

But even if it had been a more transparent account, not that much excitement goes on in magazines anymore. There are a lot of budget meeting with the finance department. A lot of talk of ROI (return on investment). A lot of celebrities saying ‘no’ or asking for giant cheques. A lot of trying to get everyone off Facebook and get them to try and think about something that hasn’t been done before, something that will start a conversation and boost sales.

To me, what underscored the whole issue of relevance was when Cleo’s down-to-earth editor Gemma Crisp explained the editorial process that a story undergoes from conception to publication.

It takes a minimum of 3 months. MONTHS.

When was the last time you waited 3 months for something? Life doesn’t happen in increments of months anymore. It happens in moments, in text messages, in Tweets. It’s fast and it’s relentless and if it takes you three months (or even three weeks) to get from thought to print then that’s just too long to retain the attention of your audience.

That’s the biggest problem magazines have in 2011. How to stay relevant within the constraints of a dinosaur-like production process when your readers are living in a 24/7 news cycle.

When was the last time you can remember a magazine doing something truly daring that people spoke about?

It took Paper Giants to remind us what women’s magazines USED to be. It was a time before the internet, when women’s liberation (the term sounds twee now but liberation is exactly what it was back in the early 70s) and the idea that women may ENJOY sex and WANT a life other than being someone’s wife, mother or spinster aunty was revolutionary.

Imagine that.

Imagine there being nowhere else you could read about sex or contraception or sexual health or relationships or masturbation or even feminism.

Cleo – and then Cosmo a few months later – were all those things and they truly did move the social agenda forwards.

[see these Cleo covers from the 70s, 80s and 90s below and see how many you remember]

November 1972: the first ever issue of CLEO. Features included ‘how to be a sexy housekeeper’, ‘contraception, everything you need to know’ and Australia’s first nude male centrefold. Image courtesy of CLEO magazine www.cleo.com.au

By the time I arrived at Cleo in 1993, the iconic Ita Buttrose was long gone and Cleo and Cosmo were being edited by Lisa Wilkinson and Pat Ingram respectively.

They were still exciting times. The magazines were not nearly as political as they once had been – thankfully, many battles had already been fought and won. Battles like the right to determine your own fertility, access safe and affordable contraception and no-fault divorce. Still, they tackled a more diverse agenda than perhaps they do now, with greater emphasis on the features and the quality of the writing.

Back then, Cleo and Cosmo still very much led the sexual agenda. Again, remember this was a time before the Internet. When sealed sections still meant something. Unless you wanted to go into an X-rated shop (something most women would never do), Cleo and Cosmo remained the only way women could learn about all the different permutations of sex.

Who else were you going to ask? Your mum? Your doctor?

They were incredibly fun years to be working on Cleo. Lisa came up with countless genius ideas including a “scratch off Arnie’s undies” issue where she found a technology to use the material for scratchies and combine it with a nude shot our art director had found of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The result was hilarious – especially when the printer didn’t test it properly and it was only after all the issues were printed that we discovered when you tried to scratch off Arnie’s ‘undies’, you scratched a hole right through the page.

Cosmo published an excerpt from Madonna’s Sex book, which has stood the test of time as being pretty out there.

Lisa and Pat were always trying to out do and out sell each other by seeing who could tread that finest of lines, being outrageous enough to spark reader interest without completely pissing off the advertisers for being too explicit.

We didn’t always get it right. One time, when Lisa was on maternity leave, we published a “Match The Penis To The Guy” sealed section, which engraged clients and lost Cleo all of Estee Lauder’s advertising. More than a decade later, I don’t think they ever got it back.

A few years later, when I edited Cosmo, we did a sealed section about sex toys, which wasn’t particularly unusual – on Paper Giants they did something similar back in the 70s.

But we also ran a TV ad, which was a spoof of the Tom Cruise Risky Business scene where he slides along the floorboards in his socks and pretends to sing.

I can’t remember the exact details but our ad featured some rather large dildos. It was done in a jokey way and was quite funny but Kerry Packer didn’t see it that way.

My Editor-In-Chief and publisher were hauled into Kerry’s office and given exactly the kind of shouty, sweary treatment Ita was depicted getting from Kerry in Paper Giants. The ad was pulled immediately.

Of everyone who has worked at ACP and encountered Kerry, his depiction in Paper Giants has been universally rated as brilliant. He was a dynamic, exciting, outrageous, complex man. He was capable of being awful to his employees and also being incredibly kind, generous and sensitive. He was one of a kind and the magazine business has not been the same since his death.

Back to Paper Giants and Park Street for a moment.

You can’t compare a drama to a reality show. It’s not fair. But you can compare the role of magazines then and now and it’s impossible not to draw the conclusion that they have lost their relevance and their influence.

The Internet has not only sucked up their readers, it has also gobbled up their purpose: to be a way women form tribes and communicate. Now there’s youporn and any other number of sites for titillation, Google for questions about sex, and any number of websites or free newspaper magazines if you’re looking for other types of content or a magazine-style experience. Women don’t want to be spoken TO anymore. They want to be part of the conversation, something which the internet allows, in fact depends on.

It’s the main reason I left magazines, my first true media love for online five years ago. I could see the future – my future as a reader and a content provider – and magazines just weren’t keeping pace.

Some may say it’s disingenuous of me to write about the demise of magazines given I now publish Mamamia. All I can say to that is that I loved my time in magazines. I was taught -and taught – some of the most incredible women I have ever met. Most of my closest friends are from that time and I look back on it with awe and gratitude and pride.

But that time is over.

Paper Giants was a timely reminder of how magazines used to push boundaries. Now, they seem to exist on a strangely distant planet where all the people look like plastic and the sole pursuit is ‘perfection’. Except that perfection doesn’t really exist. It’s contrived.

I will always be proud of the time I spent working in magazines. It’s a mistake to underestimate the good they have done for several generations of women in educating, comforting, supporting and nurturing them. As for their future, however, that remains unclear.

I don’t pretend to know how magazines can re-invent themselves to keep pace with the needs, wants and sensibilities of modern readers. Perhaps we’re seeing the beginning of sunset on magazines in the same way albums and CDs are fast becoming niche items of nostalgia.

UPDATE: I should have mentioned that a major factor magazines find it tough to push boundaries is due to the influence of supermarkets. The two main chains account for around half of all magazine sales and thus wield huge influence on the covers and coverlines.

One of the watershed moments in my career editing Cosmo was when the supermarkets chose to pull an issue of Cosmo off the stand for a cover line about oral sex that it felt was too explicit (it was Oral Sex Lessons and the story inside was sealed).

The media got hold of the story and I was forced to do interviews justifying the coverline while being careful not to accuse the supermarkets of censorship or heavy-handedness due to the influence they wielded). As a mother myself, I can certainly understand their wishes not to have explicit sex stories touted at the checkout where bored little eyes can read them and ask loud questions.

But the end result is that magazines are today TAMER than they were in the 80s and 90s. What we got away with then you never could now. So ironically, as the internet has taken the sting out of the raunch-factor for mags like Cosmo and Cleo, so have the retailers. Society is more conservative now than it was when I first joined Cleo in the early nineties.

Cover mounts – the freebie gifts of everything from bags to scarves, thongs to lipstick – have also eroded the value of magazines in the minds of consumers. I HATED these when I was an editor and fought against them at every turn. They are a blatant way to increase circulation (you can always tell which mag needs a boost by whomever has freebies on their covers) but I always felt they devalued the magazine itself. Surely if a product is good, that should be enough reason to buy it without a nasty made-in-China pink umbrella?

AND ANOTHER THING: When the Internet began gaining popularity in the late 90s, there were many murmurs in the industry and outside it that this could be the Armageddon for magazines. It wasn’t. Not then. Because reading a magazine was very much a portable experience – you took it on the bus or the train, to the beach or into the bath.

You couldn’t do that with a computer.

But you CAN do it with a phone. And now that we’re all carrying around smart phones, that same reading, sharing, communicating, entertaining experience that mags used to give us is available anywhere at any time. And it’s updating in real time (much like this post!). So how do magazines compete with that?

 

Have your mag reading habits changed in the past few years?

 

Here is an interview with Asher Keddie and Ita Buttrose:

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  1. stephen(OMG A MALE)

    Only one question for you Mia ,

    Why are we more conservative now than in 80s or 90s?

    Why did that come about with all these informed and intelligent women about?

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  2. singleinoz

    You don’t sound like a nanna at all.

    I really enjoyed this piece and miss this style of writting on Mamia Mia.

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  3. Anonymous

    watched it again online last night, love love love the wardrobe!! I wanted every single outfit, accessory and hairstyle in it! Oh and the phones!

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  4. Elouise Byrne

    Hello Mia,
    I have read every single comment on this piece and have a question! I have before felt like you have ‘mag-bashed’ in little comments but I understand (and am fearful of) the decline in magazine readership.
    I am fearful of this because I am desperate to work in magazines! I an enthralled by Park Street and long to eat my cereal at an ACP desk (as a reader previously noticed the girls sometimes do).

    I am (almost) 18 and am currently completing year twelve and I plan to study Journalism/Gender studies. Anyway, all this talk of magazines becoming irrelevant has got me thinking, am i going to try ad pursue the wrong career? If all goes accordingly then I will be applying for my first paid job in magazines in five years and then it would obviously be another 10-20 before I (with any luck) become an editor.

    Do you think that it is moot to now pursue a career in magazines as it will be a long time before I even start out. I have followed you for a long time and would love, love, love some advice!

    Also, I watched your news program tonight, fantastic!

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  5. recalcitrant

    I think Paper Giants was fantastic. I understand Ita Buttrose said they didn’t show enough of Kerry Packer’s sense of humour but I think it came through that he was a mercurial, complex person with moods and traits that were positive and negative.

    I actually think that is somewhat true for a lot of the old newspaper men. My dad was a journalist and worked for a company that published business magazines and the local paper (now long sold off after the original Big Boss sold it to APN). Big Boss probably wasn’t as nasty as KP could bem but certainly he could be very good to staff and supportive, but if he walked past your desk and it was messy, heaven help you. I understand Rupert Murdoch and a lot of those dues were Big Men type owners. A benevelont/sometim,es malevolent dictatorship in how they ran their newspapers.

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  6. barvasfiend

    Yes I think you raised good points here and some interesting insights.

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  7. ishanyaishanya

    I just finished watching Paper Giants online, thanks for posting on it as I had no idea about it before reading about it on this site. It was fascinating and inspiring and I am in awe of Ita Buttrose after watching it!! I love the bit where Ita gets the promo (in Part 2) and she is walking down the hall with ‘Girls on the Avenue’ playing. Kind of captured the moment: culmination of her hard work, success, the glamour etc etc. I wonder if they could end up doing a part when Mia was editor? That would be really great :-)

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  8. Steph Harrington

    Yes, the internet, particularly blogs and social networking sites, have presented major challenges for women’s magazines. But the underlying reason why women are not paying $8-$10 for a magazine every month is because they’re simply not worth it. You could rip the cover off of almost every women’s magazine in Australia and not be able to tell one from the other. They’re all blasé, patronising and lack substance.
    How many times can I read about ‘How to please my partner’ and delve into the love life of Eva Longoria or Jennifer Aniston? It’s like groundhog day. Celebrities, sex and fashion, celebrities, sex and fashion. Give me some substance!
    Sure, there is the odd article in Marie Clare that is well written and interesting, but a cover-to-cover read filled with stimulating content? Yeah right. Frankie has the cutesy, hipster market cornered but its whimsical photos and stories and over-the-top quirkiness is irritating.
    I would love to read a women’s magazine with teeth and perhaps I’m in the minority, but I would pay the money if it was bloody worth it. If I want to read a fun, intelligent, sassy and fearless magazine, I read Bust, which comes out of New York. It costs $20 in magazine shops and has no Australian content, but it’s smart, proudly feminist and relevant. How novel.

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    • Eva

      Thankyou, will look out for Bust! That’s the thing, i want to read something intelligent, and i know i’m not in the minority. If i do buy magazines now, it’s ones like “The Monthly” or anything else with some intelligence and insight. Would love a magazine like that, that also included one or two articles directed at women. Perhaps about fashion, etc. But perhaps it’s too late.

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  9. jennylouisewright

    i just adored watching ‘Paper Giants’ Asher Keddie did an amazing job of portraying Ita and i definitely have a new-found respect for Ita now that i realise just how instrumental she was in the mag industry in the early 70s. i had no idea. sorry Ita!

    i used to buy Cleo when i was between the ages of 18 – 25, cosmo occasionally. i remember i stopped buying cosmo because i read paula joyes editorial one month and she mentioned her husband (and possibly children – i cant recall exactly) and i couldnt buy it anymore as i just couldnt relate to a married woman running a mag that was essentially for young adult females. i know – how fickle am i?!

    i occasionally buy marie claire but usually practical parenting,australian good food and the AWW. how boring am i!

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  10. Amber

    I found this post really fascinating. I watched Paper Giants and really enjoyed it (if Asher and Rob don’t win a Logie I will eat my own shoe) but would have to agree with you somewhat about the death of magazines.

    I work in magazines – something I wanted and worked hard for, for many, many years. Now that I’m here and actually ‘doing it’ I can’t help but feel the same jaded way. There is so much restriction placed on us in the magazine business – from upper management, retailers, advertisers – hell, even SOME readers. It’s beyond frustrating.

    Paper Giants was inspiring as Ita pushed boundaries, but I really don’t think we as magazine publishers can do that anymore – it seems, as you say yourself, magazines have become tamer.

    Another factor is cost. When before magazines could hire a number of ‘feature writers’ now it seems you are a feature writer/sub-editor and web-editor all rolled in to one – how can one possibly pump out good content when we simply don’t have the manpower?

    And because there is no manpower – work is often sloppy or lazy. Most pages are just product shots of things you can buy. I actually find SHOP mag pretty much 160 pages of ‘things’ – it’s like I’m spending $8 to see how well a graphic artist and pre-press can deep-etch a product shot.

    With the rise of the internet and information being so readily available I thinK magazines like Cosmo and Cleo are completely irrelevant now. While back when Ita was at the helm, sexual information was scare and therefore of course women would clamper to buy such a ‘bible’ – now, I think women are A LOT more smarter and I for one couldn’t care less about ’376 ways to please my man’ or ’25 STDs you didn’t know about’.

    For this reason the only magazine I buy is Marie Claire as I adore the investigation features… but even lately that has wained and they are just using book excerts or stories straight from its America sister magazine… hardly relevant or thought-provoking.

    I think magazines will still have a place in society and I don’t think we will ever see the death of them (much like we haven’t seen the death of the newspaper – particulary the Sunday papers) and why? Because when people are on their downtime they like to sit in the sun and read the paper/mags … they like to be GIVEN the information – rather than seek it out.

    The internet is great for finding out something immediately – but as someone who uses a computer 40+ hours a week… when I’m on my downtime I will still buy a mag/paper as it’s relaxing – sitting on my ipad, iphone or laptop isn’t.

    BUT… only time will tell – one thing is for sure – magazines need to look at what they are doing, and figure out how they move with the times.

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  12. rex

    Mia, you lost me at “tweet”. Luv, you’re sounding like a reformed smoker.

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  13. Gabby

    I used to buy Cosmo regularly up until around 7 years ago, then occasionally as a treat when I was unwell. I always preferred Cosmo to Cleo, due to their body love campaign featuring ordinary people and regular use of ‘plus size’ models (I think Natalie is gorgeous!) .
    Last week I was desperate for mobile entertainment so I bought the latest issue. And I was VERY disappointed. EVERY picture seemed to be airbrushed to the hilt, making everyone look almost plastic. This included the staff profiles (even the staff member with the freckles still visible) and the brave women (non-models) who were photographed naked. I thought it hypocritical to talk about body acceptance whilst removing any perceived ‘flaws’.
    I also felt the articles didn’t contain enough actual words, with the writing itself quite immature. In fairness, maybe this is my preferences changing, or maybe I’m just growing up.
    Seeing the gallery above makes me wonder if the magazine are targeting ever younger audiences with the bright, cartoon-like colours and layouts of the covers. I really enjoyed looking at the covers (lots before I was born) and seeing evidence of real breasts and non-airbrushed women. I had no idea that the covers for Cleo used to be so risqué though – all those tight bathers ;)
    Apologies for the long post, I’ve maybe spent a little too much time pondering my issues with magazines .

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  14. Gab

    I used to buy Cosmo regularly up until around 7 years ago, then occasionally as a treat when I was unwell. I always preferred Cosmo to Cleo, due to their body love campaign featuring ordinary people and regular use of ‘plus size’ models (I think Natalie is gorgeous!) .

    Last week I was desperate for mobile entertainment so I bought the latest issue. And I was VERY disappointed. EVERY picture seemed to be airbrushed to the hilt, making everyone look almost plastic. This included the staff profiles (even the staff member with the freckles still visible) and the brave women (non-models) who were photographed naked. I thought it hypocritical to talk about body acceptance whilst removing any perceived ‘flaws’.

    I also felt the articles didn’t contain enough actual words, with the writing itself quite immature. In fairness, maybe this is my preferences changing, or maybe I’m just growing up.

    Seeing the gallery above makes me wonder if the magazine are targeting ever younger audiences with the bright, cartoon-like colours and layouts of the covers. I really enjoyed looking at the covers (lots before I was born) and seeing evidence of real breasts and non-airbrushed women. I had no idea that the covers for Cleo used to be so risqué though – all those tight bathers ;)

    Apologies for the long post, I’ve maybe spent a little too much time pondering my issues with magazines .

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  15. picardie.girl

    I have never been a magazine buyer, but just recently I got a free 6-month subscription to Good Health and I’ve really enjoyed it! The articles are informative, useful and the sort of thing I can reread, as opposed to the trashy mags full of gossip and conjecture (and YES, stupidly overpriced objects!).
    Food mags and craft mags are the only other thing I would be interested in. I have enjoyed Family Circle for the variety – recipes, craft ideas and patterns. So I guess I would agree with Dramaqueen – I am interested in magazines with longevity and well-researched, useful articles about things that interest me.

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  16. Blair

    Magazines now? I buy Who for my plane travel which is the only opporutnity I get for some quiet reading time (sad huh)

    Dad gave me the Donna Hay mag for Xmas this year (on subscription) which I also love.

    Occasionally I read Marie Claire, thats about it really which is a far cry from the Dolly/Cleo/Cosmo obssession I had growing up!

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  17. amber

    I love to devour words from anywhere and everywhere, so I am still a major magazine junkie even though I also read a lot online now, too.

    I always buy Shop Til You Drop (so that I can “shop” vicariously) and Donna Hay Magazine. Sometimes I buy Madison and InStyle or Delicious and Women’s Health. I love the smell and feel of paper and the dynamism of modern layout and design. I also find it satisfying to have a great big wodge of new content all in one package right before me. Online content might be instantly gratifying because it’s so regularly updated, but there’s also something lovely about waiting for a month to have 150 pages of new content to pore over. Different pleasures.

    I have not bought Cleo or Cosmo since I was a teenager, and I have no interest in weekly glossips, focused as they are on celebrity diets and relationship rumours.

    I think that a major problem for publications like Cleo or Cosmo is that their readership is now incredibly narrow. They seem to be the brief stopgap between Dolly and Girlfriend for young teens and the more fashion/issue-centric magazines for women in their 20s and upwards.

    Girls/women tend to read aspirationally. So, although Cleo and Cosmo might believe that their target readership is early 20s+, in actual fact, teenagers are probably their primary readers. This is the demographic still curious about sex and celebrity. Women in their 20s and 30s now are way past it, totally over it. We learn about sex much earlier. This focus is no longer very interesting for women.

    I find that I am often disappointed by the content in some of the magazines that I buy, namely Madison and InStyle. It’s not so much the quality of the journalism but the quantity of the articles and actual pages. Magazines are necessarily image heavy, but they are far too advertisement-dominated now. It just feels as though there are fewer and fewer pages of content in these mags that I formerly used to read for hours.

    I think that this is why I enjoy Shop so much: it’s literally full of stuff.

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  18. Avocado

    The only magazine with any original or interesting content these days is frankie. Writes like marieke hardy, ben law, caro cooper, rowena grant-frost… They all write about relevant topics but in funny and clever ways. You never get those types of stories in cleo or cosmo.

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  19. Katherine

    I also used to love magazines, graduating from Dolly to Elle/Vogue then to international fashion mags. I used to haunt newsagents looking for the latest editions of magazines and had a huge collection. The problem for me, as someone who loves to read, is there is so little text in magazines now. Compare Ita’s editor’s letter in the gallery above with the same thing in magazines today – sometimes they’re only a couple of sentences, if that. And the articles are getting shorter and shorter.

    Magazines today are much more image and graphic heavy and they seem to rely much more on paparazzi photos rather than original content. If I want to look at a picture of Lindsey Lohan coming out of a club or Sarah Jessica Parker waking down the street I’ll go on the internet, I won’t go out and buy Cleo.

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  20. Kerrie

    I’d like to offer a different view point, from someone who also works in magazines. I’m Australian and I grew up reading Cosmo while you were the editor, Mia. In fact, you were a huge part of the reason I wanted to be a journalist. And this month, I launched Cosmopolitan Middle East.
    The reaction and reception we have had has been incredible. The letters we receive from our readers, daily, blow us away: letters that thank us for giving women an outlet, information and a discussion. For the first time, women of the region have a public forum to ask frank questions about sex, intimate health and relationships. So I truly believe that women here would argue against the suggestion that magazines are no longer relevant.
    The internet is not the tool of unlimited freedom that it is in Australia. Here, sites are blocked when their content is considered to be culturally insensitive. In fact, your own site was blocked for a time.
    We also stay fresh and relevant by not sticking to the three-month concept-to-shelf time as highlighted in Park Street. That is, we go to press, and then hit the shelves almost immediately afterwards. For instance, the issue we are working on at the moment will go to press on Sunday, and then be on the shelves six days later, on May 1. Magazine sales are still increasing in the region, in spite of the biggest recession in the Middle East’s history.
    Sure, our Cosmo may be considered ‘tamer’ than its American or Australian sisters, but we still carry Cosmo’s essence – to be celebrate women, who they are and who they want to be, in a fun and fearless way. I’m sure my motivations to me a women’s magazine editor are the same motivations that still drive you – to empower women. What could possibly be irrelevant about that?

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    • Mia

      Congratulations Kerrie on the launch! Yes, as you say my comments don’t apply to every country. And your experience launching cosmo in the middle east and women’s reactions to it sound like the early days of Cleo and cosmo in Australia. When magazines really did make a tangible difference to women’s lives. Send my love to your art director! Xxx

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      • Kerrie

        Will do, Mia! I’m very lucky to have her. xx

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    • Anonymous

      Kerrie that was very lovely. You’re like 1970′s Australia over there.

      I’ve lived in the Middle East. You are not starting a revolution. But good luck with your pretty airbrushed piccies.

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  21. Zarathustra

    An interesting article with some very fine points made by the writer. The two main motifs I took from the experience were revolution and agenda. Unfortunately there is nothing new under the sun and the revolution and agenda paradigms have merely been updated to a more scientific digital medium.

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  22. Anonymous

    Hello Mia,
    I am wanting to study journalism and pursue a career in lifstyle/fashion magazines (preferably at ACP) but this post has got me worried! Do you think it is futile for me to do a journalism degree, work experience and try and pursue a career in that field if it is only going to diminish?

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  23. Elouise Byrne

    Mia, do you think it is useless for a young adult to try and pursue a career in magazines within the next five years? I have always dreamt of becoming an editor or features editor but this post has got me a little worried that there will be no room for magazines in the near future.

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  24. chrissy

    I loved all those mags through the 80s, 90s, i can rememeber cutting out he poems form dolly and putting them in a photo album.Loved paper Giants especially the bit about calling the mag the womens monthly as thats what my dad called the womens weekly when he got it for my mum. How good is Asher , i watch enerything she is in.Hope she wins the gold logie.

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  25. Krit

    I used to buy all the gossip mags to flick through celebrity photos and stories but now with online celebrity blogs, facebook and twitter you can get the facts about celebrity life straight from the horses mouth. I walk past gossip mags now and know that the stories are far from the truth.

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  26. loubee

    Paper Giants was absolutely brilliant.

    I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time when Asher Keddie delivered the priceless line (in Ita’s gorgeously poised lisp),

    “I had no idea an enema had so many uses?”

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  27. Bejazzled

    Loved what I have seen of Paper Giants. I will have to catch up on the first ep I think.

    I sporadically buy mags – I love Delicious – I’m a sucker for great photos of food!
    I think I used to buy either Cleo or Cosmo, and I remember I liked one more than the other but not sure which now. I lost interest when the pages all became so noisy with advertising & little bites of advice all scrawled over the pages……fried my brain. And they are boring. I occasionally buy Women’s Weekly, but even now its not really holding my attention. Too busy trying to survive all the fighting my children do……how can anyone read amongst that chaos!

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  28. a mag girl

    I worked in magazines for 5 years (still freelance a little now) but grew concerned a few years ago about where the future was headed…
    I think you’ve summed it up Mia, but you’re a brave woman, as not everyone is keen to acknowledge the changes.
    When I did ask a few questions about the future of magazines with various co-workers, many people I worked with believed that there will always be people who want a magazine to hold. Most genuinely didn’t seem worried.
    I still enjoy sitting down with a magazine, some still have quality articles every now & then. However, I have zero loyalty to any title anymore.
    I recently asked my younger sisters – aged 18, 21 – (who I suppose are Cleo & Cosmo’s target market) – what was the last magazine they bought,
    Neither could remember the last time they bought a mag, or what it was.
    One guessed that it may have been for plane trip around a year ago.

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  29. katrinasmiteadie

    I was the biggest magazine junkie ever – totally obbessed – got in trouble off my mum for wasting my pocket money on mags than saving it. I grew up with DOLLY and loved Smash Hits. Sometimes I even bought US teen magazines (Seventeen) and went to libraries to borrow them. In my 20′s I devoured CLEO & COSMO and lived by them, In my 30′s MADISON, MARIE CLARE even SHOP. When I lived overseas, I was in magazine HEAVAN and that’s when I discovered GRAZIA. Now I buy mags for the plane to pass the time when I go on a rare holiday. And the only mag I do buy regularly is GRAZIA (due to price and the mix of fashion, food, travel and stories) and I even like the AWW and Notebook (shame it’s gone) for it’s recipes and broad appeal. I still do like mags – but I can’t justify the price of them, the fashion items I can’t afford, the silly stories they are still rehashing and the constant advertising. I had to stop buying CLEO & COSMO as I did start to feel ‘inadequate’ that my life did not seem to be measuring up to their ideal. I now get my fashion fix from the internet, newspapers (another dying form of media) and the TV. Magazines will always be with us, maybe not the way we are used to seeing them.

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  30. sophie

    Lots of food for thought!

    I used to be a features writer at a magazine before having a baby, and I found myself nodding furiously to everything you said, Mia. Our team was bursting with ideas on how to better engage our readers, but the powers that be proved to be a stumbling block to getting things done. I would often get frustrated and feel like yelling, “just move FASTER!”

    On your point about the long lead time with mags compared to the instantaneous nature of online, I think that’s one of the things I enjoy about magazines – the ability to be timeless. I love referring back to my old fashion mags to get inspiration for my wardrobe. Same with food and cooking, and I’m sure my husband is grateful for the inordinate amount of time I spent pouring over Cosmo’s sealed sections as a teenager! But the key here is quality. If a spread is done well, it will always be a pleasure to read even if its not up-to-the-minute. On the flipside, there’s nothing worse than buying a mag and finding a lack of quality – poor writing, lazy interviews (just whipping around the fashion interns in the office, for example), a lack of research, no originality, etc. I say this knowing that editorial teams work bloody hard and things don’t always go the way you want them to. I just think with the pressure from online, quality is one thing mags can’t afford to skimp on.

    Another thought I had…I reckon I can be a bit double minded when it comes to what I want from my magazine. On one hand, I want to see REAL women with a body I can relate to (no more miracle weight loss post pregnancy please!!) and a life I recognise. I want frank discussion on the things I’m dealing with today. But on the other hand, I do want that fantasy. In some ways, I enjoy the escape of flipping through clothes I’ll never be able to afford placed on models who look more alien than real…I like looking through houses I’ll never live in. But it’s just that: fantasy. I wonder if there are any readers out there like me?

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    • sophie

      ARGH, sorry for posting more or less the same comment twice! I posted then it went into the white noise that is the internet and I couldn’t find my comment. So I rewrote it again (hence the different wording) and now I see I’ve commented TWICE. Feeling dumb now…

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  31. sophie

    So much food for thought!

    I was a features writer for a magazine until I had my baby last year, and I found myself nodding vigorously to everything that you said, Mia. I worked with a great team bursting with ideas on how to engage with our readers online, but we found it so hard to get past the powers that be (and their budgets). I constantly felt like I wanted to yell out, “move FASTER!”

    On your point on how mags can’t be as timely as online, given their longer lead times…I actually think that’s one of the things I like about mags, that there’s an opportunity to focus on quality and timelessness rather than the up-to-the-minute. One of my favourite past times is to pull out my fashion mags and get inspiration for my own wardrobe. Same with food mags and cooking (and my husband is still grateful for all the things I know about sex dating back from my days reading Cosmo sealed sections under the covers in my room!). I don’t expect them to be up to date with the latest – I go to online sites and blogs for that.

    The key, though, is quality. It’s been said before in the comments, but it’s disappointing to buy a women’s magazine and find all the articles are repeats of what I’ve read in other magazines. Sometimes I feel like these mags have a pre-determined concept of what the modern Australian woman is and are just churning out content to suit this image, rather than going out there and finding stories about real women and what they experience. I remember once buying a mag and about 80% of the girls featured were “fashion intern” or something similar. That frustrated me. I realise editorial teams work bloody hard and it’s just not that easy sometimes, but I really believe mags can’t afford to be lazy when it comes to original content and quality when so many blogs will offer both those things without the price tag.

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  32. Lil

    can I actually post a message yet?

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  33. Belle

    Apologies if this has already been covered. the comment section frustrates me so much as i can’t work out where to go to find new ones. pages just keep randomly relaoding (sigh).

    my favourite thing about the newer media is the interaction. readers can now become their own editors, curating what they would like to read throughout the net.
    and they can have conversations about what they read….. something i have now become ingrained too.

    and my favourite thing? when i spot a bag, jacket, lippie or hair product i like – there are people out there that can help me understand how to use it!

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  34. Beg To Differ

    A few points:
    * The TV reality show “Park Street” doesn’t reflect the high-quality content magazines are producing. Nor is it a measuring stick for the relevance of magazines in today’s society – it’s just a measure of itself as a TV show.
    * Mamamia relies heavily on magazines (and other media) as lifeblood for its own content. We’ve all read articles here in which you guys have simply ripped off or ripped into magazines. You’re biting the hands that feed you.
    * Putting more time into production allows magazines to hone content into a tight, informed and polished product. This results in, for example, an in-depth feature, exploring the full picture, as opposed to a one-dimensional 24/7 news headline. If you rush something out and upload it, on the other hand, it has a higher risk of being riddled with errors, waffle, poor structure and illogical arguments. They are different – not alternative – forms of media.
    * Inserting a disclaimer about how you’re not going to sound like a nana and harp on about how things were done “back in my day” doesn’t mean you’re excused when you do exactly that (through rose-tinted specs). Could it be that you’re simply over the age of these magazines’ target demographics now, rendering your own views somewhat “irrelevant”?
    * Readers will pay more for intelligent, high-quality and beautifully-executed content than they will for, say, scrappy, ill-edited websites. Yes, the industry is changing but magazines are an important part of this multi-platform revolution. And many of us still enjoy reading off eye-friendly glossy pages rather than flickering computer or under-size phone screens.

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    • fangirl

      Here here, I love your work Mia but beg to Differ makes some good points. I love mamamia but I love magazines too (even though I know they can be irresponsible and unethical, they still have some great stuff). Share the love!!;)

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      • Mia

        You don’t have to choose. Media diversity is a good thing…

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  35. Paula

    There are so many issues surrounding the ‘demise’ of printed magazines. The question I would like to ask is why is the reaction from publishers to move away from this medium and into online? Is this because of the immediacy of online? And how can one compare this to the (previously) well crafted, well researched and well considered content of magazines (not suggesting all online is just thown together… I swear)? Maybe determining the strengths of the different media will allow us to reconsider the importance of the printed word. I really can’t work out why the focus of magazine publishers isn’t providing more vibrant content to retain and allure readers, instead of resting on the brand name of these titles and just churning out content we’ve all seen again and again before.

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  36. lik

    What about the lack of Australian magazines (& web sites) that publishes long non-fiction articles? (eg. New yorker, Esquire ..)

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    • canberramel

      I very much enjoy those sorts of articles as well and read a lot online.

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  37. Felicity

    I read my first magazine when I was 13 or 14 (back in 2001) when my Mum bought me a Dolly to take on year 8 camp. I was probably a late bloomer really, as all my friends were already into clothes and makeup. I remember it was some sort of awakening in me. Suddenly I had the urge for pretty dresses, wanted my hair a certain way and realised that talking about sex and what my body was doing wasn’t taboo. It opened the communication lines between myself and my girlfriends and we bonded over the information that poured forth. Soon enough we had our hands on Cosmo and Cleo and they signaled a new phase in my teenage life. By the time I reached the end of high-school and began uni and had a job so I bought “Shop til’ you Drop” and “Madison” because the articles started to appeal to me more as did the clothing and the lifestyle that they promoted. Now, almost a decade later I hardly read a magazine unless I’m waiting in a doctors office or my Mum lends me hers. I find that the content it far too stagnant for the way my brain ticks now. I want everything NOW NOW NOW! I also like the independence of editing my own collection of clothing while I browse online shopping stores.

    Mamamia is about the only thing I read consistently that has the appeal of a magazine and satiates my need for a constant turnover of new information. Not to suck up too much Mia, but I have to say after reading this article and equating the empire you have created in Mamamia with the decline of the magazine I must admit I am in awe of you. You saw what was happening to the industry and you found a market that was about to EXPLODE and made it your own. In another decade when we all move on to the ‘next big thing’ you are going to be the Ita Buttrose of the online world and for that I applaud you. Inspiring stuff.

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  38. Kathy

    I commented this and its not here? I couldn’t see it originally but then it said “duplicate comment” so I couldn’t post it again and it still hasn’t shown up?

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  39. Catherine

    I’d be really curious to know about the discussion that goes on (and went on in the past) in staff rooms about the influence that magazines have on body image. E.g. how openly is the criticism of the magazines discussed? With what arguments do they defend themselves? And I’ve always been really curious about how much of the influence they have on body image is actually deliberate, and how much is just a by-product when they’re trying to achieve something else.

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  40. Catherine

    I’d always be curious to know about the discussion that happens behind closed doors- both a while ago and now- about a magazine’s influence on body image. Do the staff acknowledge the criticism they receieve? What do they think about it, how do they defend their magazine? And I’d really like to know, how much of a magazine’s negative influence on body image is actually deliberate?

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  41. vness

    I also used to be a real fashion/womens magazine junkie, but rarely buy them now (although just this week I did buy one because it had a freebie that I liked!). The idea of magazines excites me – I can’t wait to be drawn into their world, then I buy them, read them and am disappointed. The articles are fluff, there’s too much advertising, too many celebrities, same articles as each other, the list goes on.

    Mia I have to say that you are partly to blame for this, its not a bad thing, but your book, Mamamia, really opened my eyes to how much advertising influences magazine content now. When I read those beauty editor articles, its so blatant that they are trying to push a certain product!

    What I loved about Paper Giants was that advertising seemed to come second to the stories back then. But its not the ‘fault’ of magazines or editors, I think its a lot to do with a cultural change as well.

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  42. stargirl

    I’m still a total magazine junkie. I love the tactile nature of the mag (and books!). I’m perhaps old fashioned (My phone takes pictures but doesn’t do internet!) and I love it. I get some updates online but I love articles and tend to opt for mags that have some decent features in them, rather than those just full of beauty and fashion. I get gossip online and look forward to my favourite mags coming out for some in depth features.

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  43. Latecomer

    I’m a bit late to the discussion, and I haven’t read all 267 comments, but here goes anyway….

    Park St is truly abominable tv not because magazines are boring these days, or because offices are boring places to work, or because it takes 3 months to work through the production cycle.

    Part St is truly abominable because its narrative arc is systemically unsustainable. Firstly, there are too many characters for the viewer to invest in any of them – five magazines, five editors, numerous writers, art directors, subeditors, sales staff… And the series does not set about telling a story – it just cobbles together random stuff that happens and packages it under an intrinsically bland rubric like “the cover”.

    Reality tv operates by different rules to the genre of drama, but Park St doesn’t fail *because* it’s reality tv, it fails at *being* reality tv.

    The producers were probably operating under impossible conditions, but then they should have just said, sorry, this isn’t going to work for us.

    Since they went ahead they had an imperative to create reasons for the viewer to care about what happened from one week to the next.

    Having said that, magazines aren’t what they used to be. Meantime, Mia, I’m sure you remember your life better than I remember your life, but I thought your excellent move into online publishing came after a highly-publicised stint in television, not directly from your magazine editing days. And that makes sense of a trajectory into ‘real-time’ communication. But it’s a different narrative arc to one of moving directly from moribund magazine production timelines into the instant feedback of online.

    P.S. That Cleo with the match-the-penis-to-the-man was my all-time favourite issue; ground-breaking for my generation the way the original Cleo issues must have been for Ita’s.

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  44. Guest

    I also have swapped my obsession with magazines to online years ago. Whilst I agree that magazine relevance is flailing, I like to think that this may be the case with womens magazines in particular – not all magazines.

    Last month at the hairdressers, I read in Grazia (yep, the irony) an interesting interview with Jefferson Hack, journo, editor and publisher of some of the most coolest British publications (better known as Kate Moss’ ex), who made an interesting point about print VS online:

    “Content has to evolve as the way people engage with the medium changes,” says the publisher, who believes both the internet and magazines have their place.” For Hack, this means a move towards specialised magazines that have “greater depth, greater value of experience and storytelling…a more beautiful, inspirational approach to photography that isn’t available via the web”.

    I completely agree with him, which is why I don’t agree with this post’s headline. I find alot of magazines really exciting, but what I find exciting about them is different to what used to excite me. Now, a magazine has to attract me for its photography, design, writing and quality of paper – whereas in the past it was the articles that I craved – the kind of articles I now prefer to seek online.

    I also think that women’s magazines don’t help themselves by looking atrocious these days – going through the CLEO covers gallery really shows how tacky the covers have been in the past few years. Cheap celebrities, loud tacky headlines, messy fonts, fake photoshopping – blerghh.

    So I don’t think the problem is just online. All of ACP’s womens magazines are dumming their audience down with their content, and are copying to compete with eachother to try to stand out visually. Can’t they see it’s obviously not working and that’s not what women want?

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    • recalcitrant

      That’s why I love Frankie, which I buy occasionally. However the magazines I buy regularly are photography/art/film magazines.

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  45. Kathy

    I would love to still buy magazines the net does not compare to relaxing on your bed/in the bath/on the train/outside/not a computer chair!! But so often the front pages just don’t grab me, for the gossip mags it always seems to be a story on diets and “how I got my hot body”, I find those stories SO boring! Then when it comes to Madison and Cleo and those monthly mags you read the cover and again its more ‘how to find happiness’, ‘how to balance work and play’, ’1000 ways to wear a black shirt’ and nowadays the pathetic “embracing real women” photo shoot where amongst a magazine of photo shopped ads and photo shopped models/fashion shoots there is a couple of pages with a size 12 girl laughing in glee at being size 12 and embraced by the magazine. Ahh to be embracing real women you probably shouldn’t need to announce it in a big headline on the cover, just actually include them. The internet and smartphones have certainly influenced the way we all get our information but for me the reason I don’t buy magazines anymore is I think they are just becoming repetitive and boring, every now and then for a flight when I come across a good issue I actually keep it for months, read it over and over and lend it to friends because I’m so excited! Please magazine people make me want to buy you!

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  46. Anonymous

    For me, Cosmo and Cleo stopped being relevant past about 15. The content is beyond repetitive and bland… and I agree that there is nothing in them that yoo can’t access on the internet. However, I’m often frustrated Mia that you limit your discussion of magazines to Cosmo and Cleo (I know these are what you know… but still). I find magazines that have well researched stories about a person’s/family’s life (e.g. Vanity Fair) or detailed news stories (e.g. TIME magazine) or just clever writing (the New Yorker) very relevant! I love talk about boys, relationships and cosmetics as much as the next girl but I am also more worldly than that… I wish magazines would cater to women’s intelligence and curiosity much more than they do and focus on the bigger picture!

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  47. Amy

    Same-same but different, and sorry, I came late to the dinner party on this one promise it won’t happen again. Is anyone else finding TV a bit obselete? Not shows in themselves but what they screen. I don’t watch anything on TV anymore, that’s not to say I don’t love TV shows, but the shows I watch are mostly American and why would I wait months extra to watch something here when I can get it the day after it screens in the US? I think if the Australian networks want to see a viable profit on the American-made shows they screen (and why shouldn’t they, they are paying for them) then they need to fast track. Because unless something is on a network within the week it airs overseas, sorry, I’ll be streaming it online.

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    • Anonymous

      Agreed! Eveyone is downloading in advance.

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  48. former mag buyer

    I used to buy at least one mag a month, generally a different one each time, sometimes Cleo or Cosmo, another month Harper’s or Vogue. But I stopped buying them because they made me feel inadequate. It was interesting to watch Paper Giants as a 20-something female and think my mother was a young woman when Cleo was launched. Then it gave women new ideas and information. But now, when I get to the end of a magazine, I just feel like I’m not thin enough, not pretty enough, not fashionable enough and not successful enough (and I’m a six-foot, size 10-12, not-bad-looking woman with a great job). So I don’t buy them anymore and my self-esteem has never been better.

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  49. guest

    i definately agree with you in terms of it taking 3months and that makes the information out dated, however you are only talking about womens lifestyle magazines. womens high end fashion magazines are a different story, they have a different story.

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  50. GK

    Firstly… paper giants was brilliant. Never seen Asher Keddie in much but will definitely watch out for her now!

    Secondly, I too was a teenage mag junkie. Interestingly I always seemed to be reading ahead of the ‘target’ age. I was suprised to hear that Cosmo and Cleo were aimed at late teens/early twenties. I read Dolly and Girlfriend in primary school, finished with Cosmo/Cleo by about 16 and then moved on to Vogue and Marie Clare.

    I stopped buying them all when I realised that all they did was peddle garbage to make me feel bad about my body/life/career/singledom etc. all in order to sell me some of the numerous products being advertised on their glossy pages.

    I can appreciate though all the good information about sexuality, contraception and other bits and pieces (Go Dolly Doctor!) before the internet was around.

    These days though Mia is correct, why buy a 3 month old magazine when google is at your fingertips…

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    • GK

      Just to add, the only paper magazines I buy these days are:

      Scientific American Mind and Psychologies (in French if they have it!).

      They are my brain candy… literally ;)

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