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Mamamia’s Publisher Mia Freedman and Managing Editor Jamila Rizvi with Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

by SARRAH LE MARQUAND

Fraternising with the cricket team or eating a meat pie at the footy has long been considered perfectly acceptable conduct for a prime minister. But morning tea with a circle of women? Well, that’s just silly.

So went the indignant response when Julia Gillard hosted a gathering of the country’s most popular “mummy bloggers” at Kirribilli House a few months ago.

It was a dismissive sentiment later echoed when the PM treated caucus to a one-hour presentation designed to convince backbenchers to venture on to Facebook to woo this new generation of “soft” voters.

“I stopped listening as soon as the PowerPoint screen came down,” a senior Labor MP – one of several cynics in their leader’s midst – told The Daily Telegraph at the time.

But according to some of the more prominent women who attended Gillard’s morning tea in June, our federal parliamentarians underestimate this so-called soft demographic at their peril.

“Politicians need to wake up, stop rolling their eyes, and keep up with the sentiment and real issues affecting men and women in their electorates,” advises Eden Riley, whose blog Edenland attracts 90,000 hits a month and was named Sydney Writers Centre’s Best Blog for 2012. “Most Australians, not just women, are on Facebook. (It’s) a bit like the old days of door knocking.”

As someone who has witnessed the power of social media first hand after landing a publishing deal on the strength of her online musings, blogger and author Kerri Sackville agrees the PM is on to something.

“You put them (MPs) online and people can actually talk to them and they cease being generic policy makers and start being real people,” she says. “Someone who does it brilliantly is Kevin Rudd.”

As with all who were invited to the PM’s winter morning tea, Sackville is bursting with anecdotes of her host’s warmth and humility and recalls being charmed by the nation’s most powerful woman ducking into the kitchen to wash an empty tray before returning it to its owner.

“I think it was an incredibly smart move,” she says of the morning tea. “It served to humanise her to all of us. She can’t meet everybody but to meet key players who can then spread the word in our own way is very important.”

If the objective was to forge a connection with fellow women, then Chantelle Ellem, from popular blog Fat Mum Slim, believes it was a successful mission.

“It certainly opened the door for her to create relationships and get into the minds of mums in Australia,” she observes.

And it’s an approach that would appear to be paying off with this week’s Newspoll revealing Labor’s primary vote is back to its highest level in 18 months, while the Coalition’s crashed to its lowest since March of last year.

Perhaps even more promisingly for the PM, voter satisfaction towards her is on the climb, giving her a comfortable 14-point lead against Opposition Leader Tony Abbott in the preferred prime minister stakes.

It’s a result that comes in the wake of Abbott fending off allegations that he attempted to intimidate a female political rival by punching a wall back in his university days in 1977.

The incident has renewed speculation as to whether the father of three daughters has a problem with women.

It’s a perceived weakness his opponents have been eager to capitalise on, with Tanya Plibersek observing just last month: “I think he does find it very difficult that he’s dealing with two women in positions of authority.”

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When the PM visited Mamamia

Abbott blames a Labor “dirt unit” for the claims suddenly surfacing into the public arena, but whether he’s right or not it appears to be working. The government is going after women and now women are coming home to Gillard.

Despite key players on both sides traditionally wary of openly acknowledging the gender politics at play – it remains unfashionable to recognise that the very existence of our first female prime minister is a significant milestone – ALP strategy appears to have shifted.

Aware of the power in exploiting a malaise on the part of female voters towards Abbott, Gillard has become increasingly proactive in her attempt to connect with women. Only a few weeks before playing morning tea hostess, she visited the office of high-profile blogger Mia Freedman’s website Mamamia to answer reader questions on childcare.

“It was a pinch-yourself moment because two years ago I was still sitting in my kitchen with my laptop and now the PM is arriving and shaking hands with my kids,” Freedman says. “It was really exciting because it showed loud and clear that the leader of our country understood they were a large and influential audience.”

Having launched the nation’s first dedicated blogger talent agency earlier this year, director of The Remarkables Group Lorraine Murphy believes blogging is a natural extension of neighbours talking over the fence – only with more advanced technology.

“We’re living in a more disconnected society than our parents and grandparents did so mothers often need to substitute that sense of community with their online friends. It would be wise for politicians to observe how mothers are communicating and build relationships with those who are holding those conversations,” Murphy says.

Like many of her peers, Riley resents the patronising overtones in being dubbed a mummy blogger – a mantle increasingly slapped upon anyone who happens to be female and owns a computer.

“You cannot blanket an entire demographic of women under the term mummy blogger – it’s just wrong, and quite offensive,” she says. “That label is so soft in terms of who I am it is ridiculous and funny. I’m a 40-year-old woman who writes about drug addiction, cancer, suicide, step-mothering, and marriage issues on the internet. Real issues.”

It’s a description also rejected by Freedman, who points out Mamamia has grown into a diverse enterprise with a large stable of contributors opining on everything from the carbon tax to quinoa.

As to the often condescending coverage of Gillard’s overtures towards female voters, Freedman is amused such a powerful demographic should be so easily dismissed.

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Mia sits down with PM Julia Gillard and Kate Ellis MP.

“I’ve always found it hilarious that so many marketers refer to women as a niche audience. How is 51 per cent of the population niche? Women are responsible for 85 per cent of the purchasing decisions in any household. And they’re highly influential in another 10 per cent on top of that. This isn’t just washing powder and breakfast cereal but banking, cars, holidays and investments.”

Staring down critics within her own party regarding the merits of wooing the electorate via carefully targeted online avenues, Gillard recently brushed shoulders with the country’s top social media names aged under 30 at a lunch in Sydney organised by Tom Waterhouse.

“To give up two hours of her time when there’s huge issues going on around the world, well I know everyone was very appreciative. No matter what your views are politically it’s an honour to be able to talk to your leader,” says Waterhouse.

And while the event was aimed at celebrating the nation’s top “Twitterati”, Waterhouse is equally sympathetic to Gillard’s attempt to mobilise her party room to harness the largely untapped power of Facebook.

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Mia Freedman and Tony Abbott

“It’s not the be all and end all, but it is another way to communicate,” he says. “From a prime minister’s point of view I can see why she wants to push it – even if you decide it’s not for you that’s got be a far better solution than not trying it at all.”

Not so convinced is demographer Bernard Salt, who questions the wisdom of courting those who wield influence within the relatively new landscape that is social media.

“Julia Gillard is a product and she’s a product that is being marketed to a specific segment in order to broaden her appeal,” he says.

“The Coalition will be doing exactly the same with Tony Abbott but what it’s showing is that there are gaps in Julia Gillard’s appeal that they are now looking to plug.

“The real talent is in being able to identify the segment and then match that up with an appropriate response. Now does having a morning tea with mummy bloggers really fill the gap, that’s the question? Does an event with Tom Waterhouse really sell the prime minister into that segment?

“The whole thing hangs on how much power and authority and leverage does the blogger set have. The social media enthusiasts will argue that it’s incredibly powerful but I’m not sold on it myself. I’m not convinced that people form their political opinion by blogs that they read. It comes down to the influence and impact that a blog can actually have on an action and I think that is yet to be really tested.”

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The Mamamia team with Julia Gillard.

While he remains doubtful of the capacity of bloggers to shift public opinion and alter voting patterns, Salt argues that the traditional, mainstream media retains the power to do just that.

“It’s not a popular view – the popular, trendy Gen Y view of the world is that there’s old media and there’s new media,” says Salt, who believes newspapers and television current affairs programs enjoy a credibility that still eludes bloggers.

“It’s not some person out in the ‘burbs who’s writing anything because they’ve got nothing to lose and everything to gain. So to me there is a value issue that the social media enthusiasts don’t really appreciate.”

Although Salt concedes there have been instances where a complaint aired on social media has gone viral and prompted action from a company or organisation, he’s dubious a communications revolution is afoot.

“The problem is it’s unproven. It’s hard to argue against it because there are examples where social media has had a big impact, positive and negative. But what is the ratio between effort expended and the outcome that flows from that?

“And my argument is that maybe one in a million tweets, maybe one in a million blogs, actually does have an impact.

“But there’s a lot of low-grade overburden that has to be laboriously ploughed through in order to get to those gems that do work and do change opinion.”

This article was originally published in The Daily Telegraph and has been republished with permission.

Sarrah Le Marquand is an Associate Editor and columnist at The Daily Telegraph. Visit her blog here.

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  1. cam

    I voted for her once.

    ‘Won’t make that mistake twice.

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  2. chillax

    Until we have a party that accepts that not all women, in fact not all mothers, are interested in the vote buying antics that are childcare and paid maternty leave, and realise that there is more of a diverse population of women and mothers out there with needs beyond this I’m not fully convinced.

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  3. Anonymous

    Under Gillard, Australia’s position on gender equality has slipped from fifteenth in 2007 to twenty third in 2011.

    Despite the empty rhetoric, the gender pay gap has widened and poverty and homelessness has increased.

    In the interest of balance, you might want to ask Liberal Senator Michaela Cash to write a piece outlining the real situation for women under the GreenLabor government.

    Her FGM piece was well received. I’m sure that her refreshingly spin free assessment of this will be too.

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  4. Caz Gibson

    I think it’s true that women will decide the next PM.
    Despite the often disappointing sycophantic behaviour of “the women behind the men” when talking politics socially – we don’t really know how they vote do we ? We don’t really know how they change their minds once they get into that booth.
    Politicians of both genders do shitty things once they’re in power. Why aren’t our finest brains in parliament ?…..How many years before the sexists who despise the idea of a female PM are swept away ?
    I really wanted Julia to do well, partly because after her it could be decades before we get another female in the Lodge.

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    • Bradley

      Speaking on behalf of myself….I don’t care about the gender of the Australian PM. The current one is just not up to scratch. Don’t blame her poor performance on sexism.

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  5. Benjamin

    Ladies you have been deliberately misled. Backed into a false corner that mandates if you dont support Julia, somehow you are not for female equality & thus ruining the future career prospects of your sisterhood. Voting isnt about gender. Voting is about issues, integrity & future vision. On all 3 Julia has been found wanting to say the least…Abbott is not the answer either. Nor are the Greens. Ask yourself honesty if you believe in your heart of hearts if any of them actually care about yourself, your family & the future of this nation. If you answer truthfully im sure you will also conclude that it’s nothing more than a circus & youre simply the paying audience. If govt is the answer for our collective concerns then why in over 50yrs has govt failed to address & remedy social issues that to this day continue to reek havoc across Australia. Coke vs Pepsi was never a choice & it’s high time folks woke up to this fact.

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    • Anonymous

      I agree with most of your comment except that Abbott isn’t the answer. I think we are very lucky to have him, despite what the media and Emily’s List tell us.

      Last weekend he was the lead for a blind runner, just one of the many ways he keeps in touch with the community. He raises money for carers and the disabled through the Pollie Peddle. His wife works in child care, so he as his finger on the pulse. He has three daughters who are at uni, he’s paid a mortgage and school fees. He’s a Rhodes Scholar, a lifesaver, a volunteer firefighter. He’s an Aboriginal advocate.

      His political leaning is left, like most Catholics. He opposed WorkChoices. Is that ever reported by our hateful, distorted media? Nope. Remember that when the desperate ALP try to wheel it out again. He was concerned about its impact on ordinary Australans.

      As has been commented below, he stared down Paul Keating in a wonderful, supportive speech in defense of gay relationships. He also fast tracked AIDS medication that was unavailable here.

      He is an ordinary man who is anything but ordinary and we are blessed to have him.

      Gerard Henderson gave a very enlightening interview about the David Marr fantasy. It confirmed why we are seeing such unprecedented hate from Marr, the left media and the ABC. We also have Emily’s List working tirelessly and stealthily to poison public opinion of him.

      Don’t listen to what you’re told. Abbott is a good man and most women see that.

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      • Bluey

        Agreed. Australians also see a group of people peddling falsehoods and tripe to try and gain the upper hand, then demanding respect. Labor as a whole seems to have a problem with basic morality, most Australians don’t.

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      • gee jen

        Interesting to read about this side of Tony Abbott but I’ve found in his years as opposition leader all he has done is be negative about everything put forward and offer no real alternatives.

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        • Anonymous

          I understand that gee jen. The reason you think that is because most of us don’t have time to watch him in question time or follow his speeches at various functions. It makes no difference if he is speaking to a group of battlers or dignitaries, he treats everyone the same and his speeches are truly wonderful. He is a very educated man who hasn’t lost touch.

          I know he ums and ahs sometimes but he acutely aware that the media are waiting to destroy him. He has to be so careful.

          Truly, jen, the left hate him because he is everything they are not.

          I’m not joking when I say I could man-hate for Australia but I have no hesitation in supporting Abbott.

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        • Jolie

          Yeah that’s where I sit too – It doesn’t really matter how many times you run lead for the blind, if all I’m hearing from one of my leaders is negativity and spin. How can I vote for him, how can I believe that he will do anything good for this country when all I have heard is ‘stop the boats and big new tax’?

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    • Guest

      What is your alternative to government, Benjamin? It’s all good and well to denigrate the lot of them, but not without any solutions of your own to offer, or there’s no point. We realistically have to work with what we have. Apathy is not helpful.

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  6. Joan

    With all the staff employed at Kirribilli House, the PM has to do the washing up? Doesn’t she know that she should delegate jobs to those who are not being paid to LEAD the country?

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  7. Not a great choice

    She (Ms Gillard, Prime Minister Gillard, yada yada) will always have trouble because of the way she came to the ‘top job’ and the perceived lying.

    I believe the only reason she will be back as Prime Minister (sadly) is because the alternative is Abbott.

    No amount of online interaction is going to change this.

    I have a gas bill that is $450 higher than the one from this time last year – tell me who can do something about changing this and I’ll vote that way!

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    • Guest

      Let’s remember Tony Abbott came to the ‘top job’ in the opposition in exactly the same way.

      I’m sorry to say that blaming your gas bill on the prime minister isn’t very constructive. Check your usage, check the costs with your supplier, check what the increase is, and ask how much of that is due to the carbon tax. Then check if you received a payment from the Government back in July. Do the sums. It helps.

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      • Anonymous

        Actually that’s not quite right. When Turnbull was challenged it was because the party weren’t happy with the direction he was taking.

        Rudd was thrown out because the unions couldn’t control him. Gillard is a product of the unions

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        • Guest

          Anonymous – Rudd resigned his position when he was told he wouldn’t win a caucus ballot (the colleagues in his party were not all union officials), Turnbull was dispensed with because of his support of an emissions trading scheme.

          They were both superseded because they did not have the support of their parties, not much difference in my opinion.

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          • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

            I disagree. The role of the opposition in the two party adversarial system is just that- to keep the government honest, and provide a viable alternative for voters. Since they were not providing a viable alternative in the eyes of the voting public it is logical that they change leadership or restructure, in order to get new ideas, new direction and give the people a choice between the parties. Before Kevin rudd the labor opposition leader changed countless times.

            The role of the government is different because it is voted in by the people on an implied mandate that they will follow through with their promises. Although leadership is not a specific promise, ( we vote in a party not a leader), it is certainly implied, since a change in leadership can create a new direction in policy, and vary significantly from what was promised pre election. Indeed this is often the reason for the change.

            To my knowledge the LNPhave never been so arrogant as to take the decision as to who the prime minister is away from the voting public. Because as we know votes do change based on leadership. The ALP seems to treat the Australian public with enough condescension and contempt as to change prime minister wherever they see fit, with no thought to the desires of their constituents. Therein lies the difference.

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            • Guest

              Check again Mum of two – your LNP have of course done it too while in leadership.

              John Gorton and Billy McMahon?

              Same thing. Sorry to destroy your theory, but that’s politics for you.

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            • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

              If you read my post I stated to my knowledge, that the LNP hadn’t dumped a PM. In my lifetime, 35 years, two ALP PM’s have been dumped by their own party and one by the GG. Honestly, I would question the relevance of going back any further than that when Liberal governments since then have been such successful economic leaders anyway.

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      • Not a great choice

        Oh Guest if only I had thought to do those things!
        Honestly. Ridiculous.

        I did not blame the gas bill on the Prime Minister or the Carbon tax either (re-read) merely stated that the bill increase was on my mind and if someone could look into the issue I would be interested.

        You assume a lot.

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        • Guest

          Oh sorry, your nuance didn’t come across (re-read). Always the problem in written text.

          Still – why don’t you look into the issue yourself? Why wait for someone to look into for you?

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          • Not a great choice

            Guest I have.
            It is the increases in charges that have come in this year.

            Originally I meant I would be interested in the parties looking into the dramatic increases in charges – which I should have made clearer.
            Do they have solutions? Strategies?
            Or are these increases to be expected now every year?

            There will never be a time where I wait for anyone to look into anything that I can do for myself.

            The huge increases to our bills (gas, electricity, water, rates, registration etc) is my main concern this election.

            And between you and me I voted for the current government last election.

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            • Guest

              Energy suppliers increase their prices every year, so yes they will continue.

              Julia Gillard has looked into this problem for you and here is what she found:

              http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/julia-gillards-prices-blame-game/story-e6frf7kx-1226444308700

              Now you have this information it is up to you to shop around and change where necessary.

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            • Sigh

              Not a great Choice I agree with worrying about these increases they are an issue for us as well.

              Guest in many locations around the country they do not have a choice to ‘shop around and change where neccessary’ might have perhaps been nice of you to consider this when you commented.

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  8. Miss

    Why? Because you believe the lefty media when they that she isn’t a philanthropist? Because she’s employing thousands and helping to keep the country afloat? Because she’s a successful woman in a male dominated industry? Because she works her butt off? Or is it because she’s overweight and doesn’t give a damn about it?

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  9. MLB

    Labor has 1600 media monitors and manipulators. They can put on another 100 000 of them and it still won’t make an ounce of difference. The electorate is just waiting.

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    • Anonymous

      how many have the libs got?

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  10. MsZ

    “Soft Voters” have the same vote as “hard voters” – 1 per person. Something that all politicians should consider. Alot of so called “mummy’s” are also swing voters – something else to consider.

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  11. Joan

    Your mention of 51% of voters , being women, makes me wonder why the PM did not win with a landslide victory, instead of having to rely on Green preferences, then three Independents who took so long to decide the Election. Do you believe that the majority of women will vote for Julia Gillard at the next Election, because she is a woman or that she has proved to be a competent Leader?

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    • guest

      Or not elected as she is an incompetent leader? The ALP thought they had the female vote sewn up, they never factored that some women can actually think for themselves.

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      • Joan

        I certainly hope that those women who CAN think, will be in the majority when it comes to the Election!

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        • Faybian

          Does that happen to be women that think just the same way you do???

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  12. Sue

    There are things from Julia’s past that tell me she is not a friend of women, not a woman’s woman if you will. I’m amazed that her past seems to be treated as off-limits to the media, I think she’s actually being treated very carefully by the media. Almost like she’s getting special treatment.

    Having said that, she wouldn’t get my vote as her government doesnt seem to have a clue about how to manage the economy. I think Australian women are smart enough to vote for policies they agree with, not because she’s a woman.

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    • B

      I’m just wondering – why do you think they can’t manage the economy?

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  13. Charlie

    I get the gist of this, I do, and there are points I agree with. However, I can’t help but say for the record, that as a woman I will never vote for somebody based on their sex or anything so superficial. As a woman I believe that every person’s vote counts and I look forward to saying goodbye to one of the most concerning prime minister’s our country has ever had. and the most ineffective treasurer! I don’t say that to be inflamatory – merely, I don’t agree with the policies but by god she’s efficient, which is bad for those of us who didn’t want a Carbon Tax, and so on.

    PS I reckon JG is probably a swell person and brilliant company around the dinner table and I refer to her politics not her personality!

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  14. Bradley

    I certainly hope that the headline becomes fact and that women decide who the next PM of this country will be.

    That way, when the Gillard government is swept from office the blame won’t be placed solely at the feet of the conservative misogynists.

    Looking forward to the comments that will be thrown about regarding that niche market.

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    • Joan

      Very well put, Bradley

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    • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

      Glad someone said it.

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  15. Mia, does it bother you that other media outlets STILL refer to you as a blogger, despite the fact you have editorial staff (and IT, and sales, and advertising) and Mamamia has been marketed as a women’s website and you as publisher, not a blog or blogger for quite some time now?

    I find myself tsking about the lack of attention to detail by the editor when I read articles about Mamamia and it is referred to as a blog.

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    • Anonymous

      There’s an editor?

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    • Sally

      That drives me mad too. It’s so patronising. I thought that was an issue addressed and dealt with quite well in this article though in that it clarified that this is a website with a big staff as opposed to a one woman blogging operation

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      • Joan

        Sally, if well known people like Andew Bolt, Piers Akerman et al, are not offended by people who post to their ” blogs”, why should Mia, or you, consider it patronising if her articles are called blogs?

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        • Sally

          Hi Joan – actually I was commenting on Whippersnapper’s comment as above so you might be better served directing your question to her! But I was simply agreeing with her statement in that, as I see it, many female writers are referred to as “bloggers” when their work can’t really be so neatly classified.
          I wasn’t suggesting that anyone who has a blog, such as the men you refer to, should be offended by that label. And, as I also pointed out to Whippersnapper, I think this article made a good job of making that distinction. And when it comes to most media treatment of “mummy bloggers” you’ll find that’s very rare indeed.

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        • It’s not about being patronising – it’s about the editor or writer of the story not properly checking their facts. Mamamia isn’t a blog, it’s a women’s website.

          Yet in this article Mia is referred to as a “high profile blogger” which she hasn’t been for about 2 years now. The Hoopla and the AWW website are not referred to as blogs anywhere I have seen them written or spoken about, but websites, so I disagree it’s anything gender based.

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          • Sally

            But this article does refer to Mamamia being a website, and a diverse one at that, and clarifies that it is not a mummy blog or even a blog. As for the description of Mia being a blogger that is how most Australians would know her – her profile is that of someone who writes articles which are then posted online. Otherwise known as a blogger.

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          • Sally

            Or to put it another way, The Hoopla is a website but Wendy Harmer is also a high-profile blogger.

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  16. Bluey

    Surely the performance of any business leader is based on performance, not gender? Those days are long gone, and to bring up sexism as a defence against poor performance is just sad.

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    • Cazz

      Bluey, I was puzzled why Tony Abbott attracts so much hate when he seems like such a normal, nice man. I decided to start researching. The things I’ve discovered about Gillard have shocked me too.

      I read something yesterday that I’ve never read in the media before. It was from way back when Paul Keating was PM and he said, ‘Two men and a dog does not a family make.’ Tony Abbott gave a passionate and lovely response that flies in the face of how the media portray him.

      The media and the ALP may think we’re a ‘soft target’ but the Internet has given us access to information that they’d rather bury.

      Sorry, Mamamia team and Sarrah, I’m not a soft touch and there is nothing on the face of the earth that wIll make me vote Labor again for a very, very long time.

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      • Bluey

        Cazz, women are just as capable of bullying and aggression. Out here we understand Abbott as a family man, with a not excessive belief in a higher entity than himself, and is involved with community groups as we all are.

        I’d be suspicious however of the PM’s motives with regard to mums, she doesn’t have a good track record with other men’s wives and their families. She also doesn’t seem to have any understanding of the role rural women play, sadly regional Australia is ignored by this government through ignorance, and the fact there aren’t enough votes to buy.

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      • Sally

        I’n not a soft touch either which is why I won’t be swayed by this “The Tony Abbott I know” campaign currently being wheeled out by his colleagues….

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  17. ethel formerly known as guest

    I remember reading someone`s blog that had been invited to that morning tea, she posted a pic of the loo. `facepalms` that is the depth of mummy bloggers

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    • Mrs Woog

      Thank you for reading my blog Ethel!

      You would probably be very surprised with how my brain works. Why, it surprises me everyday!

      Love Mrs Woog
      xx

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  18. Sally

    Thanks for a great article. I love Mia’s comments about how women are still treated as a niche audience. So true. Come on people, we are talking about half the population!

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  19. The wounded bull

    By the way, ever since 1901, there have been more female voters than males, so you girls have decided every election.

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  20. Leni

    Just wondering what happened to the MM political reporter Lauren? Loved her articles and haven’t seen any for a while?

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    • Anonymous

      yes, please bring back Lauren!

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  21. The Wounded Bull

    I dont get it. Surely voting in a female PM was a sign that we had finally arrived to a political system where gender doesnt matter. Further, I would hope any PM governs equally for all Australians regarless of gender (or any other differences).

    Yet here we have an entire article turning politics into a war of the sexes. Surely the whole point is that we are now past that mentality.

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    • Sally

      But don’t you think the way in which Gillard has been treated proves we are so not past the gender issue in this country?

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      • The wounded bull

        As I have said many times this type of comment comes up, we all have very short memories as to the hideous things said of Howard. I think every PM cops it, regardless of gender.

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        • Sally

          It’s early days for us getting used to a female PM though. I think it is an issue but just one that most australians don’t want to admit to.

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          • Bradley

            Someone might have to explain to me why some of the women on the government’s front bench get more respect than the PM. Is it a performance/personality thing or non-sexist appeal ? If I had to choose between JG or Jenny Macklin….JM would win my support. Does a decent job in her portfolio, comes across as a decent person, was a good deputy leader of the opposition.

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            • Sally

              Bradley I see your point but you may recall Julia Gillard was held in high regard for several years too before she became PM. Most people considered her a far more capable performer than Rudd when she was his deputy. That the tide against her turned once she got the top job would suggest to me that a lot of the double standards she endures only kicked in once she got the top mantle. That’s why I’m a bit dubious when people trot out that whole ‘respect is earned’ defence – because she’s been around for a while and had really already earned it.

              For the record I’m not one of those people who cry ‘sexism’ anytime I don’t like something. I’m not suggesting Gillard is without many faults but I do think there is a sexist factor at play. And it crosses both side of politics. Thought the same thing last night when I saw some pretty appalling tweets about Liberal Kelly Odwyer on Q&A

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      • FHB

        Sally, the minute Gillard gained power, I said every single time she was insulted (as all politicians are), it would be blamed on sexism (which it was/is).

        The question is – Are the criticisms of her specifically sexist i.e About her being a women or are they just the usual vitriol aimed at leaders, the likes of which Howard had many, many documented?

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        • Bradley

          FHB….whenever the speaker doesn’t have a convincing argument up their sleeve in answer to straight forward critism, be it constructive or otherwise, generally any word that ends in the letters I, S & M is pulled from the lexicon of conversation stoppers that lives in the said speaker’s pocket.

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    • Sarah

      Look at the language used by those who are critical of the PM.

      I’m aware male politicans get criticised too but there is a gender specific angle to the names the PM gets called. I believe MM has done stories on this.

      Plus there was the ‘scandal’ about the empty fruit bowl in the PM’s house – the implied criticism being that because she doesnt have children and a house filled with family and food, she’s somehow lacking.

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      • FHB

        Sarah, leaders in all countries get criticized for not having children, because the majority of the voting country have had them.

        This leads to the inevitable claim that they can’t relate to these fundamental issues. Which of course is an absolute truth.

        Families prefer leaders with children. Big deal, I say, the electorate has every right to demand representation from those they can relate to in some capacity.

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        • Not a Mother

          As someone who doesn’t and can’t have children, I find it refreshing to have a childless leader, leading the country. Now if only they could woo us with some things that would actually benefit us families that are only made up of two instead of throwing things at the families with children all the time.

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          • FHB

            Sorry Not a Mother, but if you don’t have kids you can’t really understand. It applies to hundreds of experiences but, this is such a fundamental one.

            The majority of people in Australia will have kids and have kids. Someone who doesn’t can’t really understand the experience, because you must live it to be part of it. I am an only child, so naturally I don’t get sibling love/rivalry. I can see parts of it for what it is, but I will NEVER “get it”.

            Bowerbird I could go around in circles talking about how a non rape victim couldn’t relate to a real rape victim and more people would get my point, some people would condemn the analogy and others would still remain unconvinced, but I stand by my statement that the PUBLIC prefer that a leader has children.

            I don’t really care, because I’m an anarchist and governments can bite me ;)

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        • bowerbird

          If it is ‘absolute truth’ that someone can only ever relate to those specific issues of which they have direct personal experience, then we’re all in a lot of trouble.

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      • Renee

        I particularly hate the way many mysoginistic commentators call her Julia to her face. I know people often referred, disrespectfully, to Mr Howard as “Johnny” but I don’t recall anyone ever calling him anything but PM Howard, Mr Howard or John Howard to his face while they were interviewing him.

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        • Stephanie

          It isn’t always mysoginistic. I suspect many feel it is ok to call her Julia because of one “Call me Kevin, I’m here to help” Rudd. Tony Abbott gets call Tony too. I think it is actually part of a trend of casualising our relationships with politicians because they don’t want us to think that they are full of themselves.
          I don’t like it much either but I wouldn’t say it is all sexist.

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          • The Wounded Bull

            can we stop using that “M” word to descrbe anyone that has a different opinion to a woman, or treats a woman differently to how you expect her to be treated. It is getting so tiring and old school, and leaves nothing up ones sleave for when we need to call out someone that genuinely hates women.

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            • Bradley

              I agree WB. It stinks of the boy who cried wolf syndrome.

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            • Renee

              I don’t use the word mysoginist to describe all the male commentators who criticise or disagree with the Prime Minister, only those who throw around comments like “women are detroying the joint”.

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            • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

              Yes! I’m a woman and I think using that word out o context is actually insulting! Why do people insist on making a big deal of gender? It actually makes women seem less capable when we insist they are given special treatment. Which, in my opinion, isn’t true. Julia has been given the same treatment by the media as any other pm, as she should.

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          • Renee

            You might be right Stephanie. I always hated it when Ms Gillard said things like “Kevin and I” when she was Deputy, so perhaps I am being overly sensitive. Still I think some commentators relish calling her Julia to demean her.

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        • Bradley

          Why is it misogynistic to refer to the PM as Julia to her face ? I personally would refer to her as Prime Minister or Ms Gillard regardless. I just don’t understand how use of the name that her parents blessed her with exemplifies misogyny.

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        • Sally

          My thoughts exactly! And the way some journalists speak to her is outrageous. I’ve never seen Tony Jones on the ABC speak to a male pollie the way he speaks to our prime minister

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        • Joan

          The respect due to the Leader of any country is missing, partly due to KEV07 wanting to be one of us, and in the case of Ms. Gillard, we don’t respect people who lie to us without shame.

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          • Faybian

            Broken promise Joan. Sadly a necessary compromise to form a minority govt with a variety of players. Something Tony Abbott was unable to do himself. It would be interesting to see what promises he would have broken (or lies if you prefer) if he had been able to put together a minority govt.

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