By JAMILA RIZVI
“We’ve been offered an interview with Kim Kardashian when she’s in Sydney” says Mia with absolutely no excitement in her voice.
I immediately jump on my pseudo-intellectual high horse: “Who is this woman anyway? I don’t get why she’s even famous. I know there is a TV show about her life and she endorses just about every diet product on the planet but WHY does she do these things? What did she ever do that means I am supposed to care about her in the first place!”
“Great. You can ask her yourself. Interview is all yours,” responds my boss.
I don’t want to mislead; I am in no way a reality television snob. America’s Next Top Model is my ultimate guilty pleasure viewing (Tyra Banks be fierce y’all) but the Kardashians have somehow failed to register on my interest radar.
So I cannot describe to you how much I was dreading this interview. After moaning audibly to anyone who would listen, several of our interns provided me with Kim Kardashian Cheat Sheets. And on reflection, actually reading one of those may have proved useful…
Alas. Here is how it all went down:
I was instructed to arrive at the Sheraton on the Park at 3.40pm. My interview would be at 3.55pm but “you need to arrive early to make sure everything stays on schedule”. Kim is very busy. I will not be allowed to film the interview. I will not be allowed to take photographs during the interview.
There is even a sentence that I am ‘strongly encouraged’ to include in my article: The new season of Keeping Up With The Kardashians premieres every Tuesday night at 8:30pm AEST only on E! channel 121 on FOXTEL.
Tick that one off the list.
I have been allotted 8 minutes in Ms Kardashian’s presence and was permitted to ask her about: “the current season of Keeping Up With The Kardashians on E!, as well as her relationship with Quick Trim and the other product lines and endorsements that have made her not only one of the world’s most recognised women, but also a respected businesswomen.”
Righto. So ‘why exactly are you famous?’ is probably not on the list of permitted questions. I also shouldn’t ask about her famous boyfriend Kanye West. It really is a very Fawlty Towers-esque ‘don’t mention the war’ scenario.

Kim Kardashian
When I arrive at the Sheraton, I am greeted and ushered upstairs by the world’s happiest women. No joke. You know those girls on Carefree advertisements who dance around in their underwear, stop to smell the flowers and are all smiley and glowing because their period is due? Them.
They’re thrilled to have Kim here in Sydney because she is Just. So. Nice. They inform me that Kim has had an utterly exhausting 19-hour flight but is the consummate professional and required no rest before her afternoon of answering questions about E! Television and diet shakes.
Now that is actually quite impressive. Perhaps this is why Kim is famous? The amazing jet-lag-less woman?
The PR types and I are making casual chit-chat about my awesome boots when Kim herself appears. Kim is casually agreeable “yeah, they’re nice” she says. To which I respond “I KNOW, only $25 at Rubi shoes, everyone in our whole office bought them…” before trailing off, realising that this multimillionaire might not actually care about my bargain buy.
My first thought is that Kim is teensy-tiny. I feel a like a giant standing next to her even though I’m a fairly average height of 5 ft 6. Then Kim holds out her hand for me to shake. And I pause – wracked with fear.
There have been rumours (well, I’ve seen it in movies) about these famous types having strict no touching policies. I wonder, will I get kicked out if I shake that finely manicured and carefully moisturised hand? Is this a test? The pressure is immense but: I do it. No alarms, no guns, the bodyguard doesn’t burst in. I am safe.

Author’s impression of Kim Kardashian’s eyes. Eyes may or may not have been damaged in the process of making this photo. Please do not try this at home.
My second thought is that Kim has phenomenal eye contact. She has these absolutely gorgeous big brown eyes and she doesn’t shift them from mine as we sit down and begin our chat.
My third thought is that her eyelashes are longer than my legs and I really want to ask her what sort of mascara she is using. My fourth thought is that she is STILL making unbroken and UNBLINKING eye contact.
It was weird, man. She seriously didn’t blink. Not at all. Not once. My sister and I used to play this game as kids and compete for how long we could last. Kim has obviously cheated by starting the competition without telling me. So I go for the sabotage and blink rapidly back at her. But still – nothing. The woman is unflappable. (Perhaps this is why she’s famous? Guinness Book of World Records record holder for longest period of not blinking?)
We get to chatting. There is something very unnatural about sitting in a room and being told to talk to somebody on command. Especially when there are silent spectators. But Kim is totes cool with it, so I follow her (blink-less) lead.
I ask about the next season of Keeping up With The Kardasians. What can we expect?
“This season, I think I’m probably most excited about the birth of Penelope, my niece. And you see you know, there is a lot of talk with Khloe and her struggle with trying to get pregnant. It’s a really emotional season…
“I think she just didn’t want to go to a fertility specialist to find out if there was something wrong and so I kind of, I tell her, I’ll go with her and I’ll get checked and we’ll do it all together. And I think that encouraged her to go and she was able to see that there was a problem. And now she’s in the process of just trying to fix that problem.”
I am immediately confused. I knew she had a sister (hence Kardashians – plural – being in the title of her show) but only yesterday on Mamamia we’d run pictures of her sister giving birth. I didn’t know she’d previously had fertility problems. Poor girl, I’m thrilled that it has all worked out for her. So, I ask more about it:
“She had a really easy labour, for both babies but I think that you know, she pulled the baby out of her… I don’t know if I would personally ever do that…. Kourtney finds it beautiful and fascinating because you know, it’s really easy for her.”
No wonder people watch this show. The sister has fertility problems and then pops out a child with her own hands and says it’s all really, really easy. Talk about a great plot line. I remark on how good it would be if all couples who struggled with conception could have this kind of happy ending.

Kim Kardashian and sisters. Not one, but two! (Actually, a source informs me that there are even more).
This is followed by a slightly confused silence…
Wait, what?
Oh these are two DIFFERENT sisters. Right. Check. Got it.
Really should have read that intern cheat sheet.
I ask Kim about what it’s like living life in front of the cameras. “Cameras are there 24/7 so you can’t help but be yourself.” Then I ask if she gets totally weirded out by the fact the whole world knows about her family’s disagreements. “We really pride ourselves on showing and sharing so much”.
Next I ask what makes their family so watchable: “People can relate to someone in the family. I mean, someone can relate to someone. Whether it is therapeutic or entertaining, I don’t know what it is. People have their own reasons.”
And then my time is up. Over. Gone. Just. Like. That.
I check the time and realise that I have spoken to Kim for 9 minutes and 43 seconds. I got a free minute and 43 second over my allotted period. WINNING! We’re practically BFFs.
I want to ask for a photograph but I know that’s not allowed. Not permitted. It’s not on the list. Don’t mention the war.
So instead I make my own. I’m basically Oprah now anyway.




Comments
151 Comments so far
You’re jealous of kimmy cus shes obviously beautiful
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I have no great love for The Kardashians. But your article just made you seem unprofessional, slack & a waste of the 9 mins & 43secs you had.
Look up Andrew Dentons comment about his interview with Princess Mary, “I did an interview with Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary of Denmark and it was a crap interview because I am not very interested in royalty. Having accepted to do the interview, I should have found a way to get myself interested. If I wasn’t interested, why would the audience be? That was a great kick up the bum for me. It’s a lesson – I’ve learned it many times, but you always have to relearn it – just when you think you’re good at something, you find out what you’re not good at. It just reminded me, you can’t ever be lazy about it.
This was a lazy interview. Your better than this.
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I think you mean *you’re* better than this.
Oh, the irony.
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Typos happen, and 90% of the time the grammar trolls are pointing these out, they are going on a rant because of 1 word, not because of a post that looks like it was written by a 6 year old.
Grammar Police are trolls, because when they feel like correcting someone, it devolves the thread away from the topic of the thread, and they know that it will become one of the main subjects of the thread when they do that, because it happens every time.
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I would love to meet Kim.
I think I would do something silly like a staring contest just to be different.
I don’t know if I’d spend the time talking or just staring at her skin.
I guess that sounds weird, but I don’t know what is photoshopped or looks different because of cameras, lighting etc.
I think it was Khloe who said that Kim has no pores.. so I’d be trying to look at her nose up close! She’d probably call security so fast..
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It’s so boring and unimaginative hating on these women – they are phenomenal business women, have made something of themselves and I think they’re an awesome role model for sex positivity and girl loving. Get over yourselves everyone!
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Uh, she made her name a few years back by being a party friend of another equally talentless bimbo – Paris Hilton and making a very tacky sex video with her then boyfriend that featured a golden shower I believe. Oh yes, that’s VERY admirable.
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I take your comment is tongue-in-cheek? I mean, she is a complete waste of space and completely devoid of any talent whatsoever.
As for the article, I think Jamila did a great job working with a pretty weak subject. If you want something more interesting next, you can interview my dog Rosie. She is isn’t as precious as KK, and doesn’t have a “no photographs” policy. Her sex life is fair game, but unfortunately pretty quiet there given she is confined to spending her days with our other older neutered male dog.
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Whole family is a waste of oxygen & only in America could they make so much cash for having absolutely no talent or skills. It is very sad indeed that society today looks up to these so called celebs.
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Jamila, surely you have better things to do than waste time with this woman. Why do members of the media fall over themselves to get 8 minutes of highly censored questions? It’s not exactly serious journalism is it?
As long as the media keep giving oxygen to people like Matt Newton and KK, and as long as idiots keep watching their shows and read the articles on them, the longer we will have to put up with them.
Why not do an interview with the girlfriend of Curtis McGrath instead? Here’s a woman who has not only stood by her man after his legs were blown off, but also studied for a medical degree while he was in Afghanistan and later after in Germany after he was wounded? Now this man and woman are two people worthy of accolades.
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The Kardashy things are famous because idiots watch the tv show, and the media keeps publishing articles on these non events.
I can’t quite understand what the attraction is.
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love your writing! kept me entertained to the veeerrry end in spite of weird noises coming from children’s bedrooms and slightly guilty feeling!!
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Love it! What a great piece!
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Jamilia I absolutely LOVE reading your work!!
This made my day and was just the laugh i needed
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Jamila, you’re too cute and funny!! Are you now “Keeping up with the Kardashian’s”? lol! I saw retoucher Bianca Carosio posting a behind the scenes photo of Kim’s newest shoot….. have you seen it? I can’t wait to see the pics… She’s gorgeous!
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Hilarious Jamila!
I have never watched the show, but it’s impossible to avoid knowing they exist!
Your article will remain my cheat sheet in the unlikely event that anyone I know, or associate with, or bump into randomly, ever raises the topic of the Kardashians…
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I guess the thing about the Kardashians (and all other reality stars) is it’s us that make them famous. They are just a product, it’s people that choose to buy that product and the products they endorse. So not sure if you were ever going to find out why she was famous by asking Kim, even if you were able to ask the question directly to her. Perhaps you should look around you at those girls in the office that know all about the Kardashians, or the MM readers below, or their MILLIONS of followers on twitter. For it is they that have created this fame monster.
Unfortunately for me, this article didn’t progress my thinking. Some people like the Kardashians and some people make fun of the Kardashians. You were in the Second camp from the beginning, didn’t even try to understand the first, so no surprise your article is a piss-take on an interview, from your report Kim did nothing particularly offensive at all.
I get that you were to be naive about the subject matter, so why is this article about Kim at all? Why not give us much more detail around the out of world experience of a celebrity interview? There was a touch of that, but why not more about the PR people or the other journalists or any number of other factors that create that.
I have no personal distaste for Kim Kardashian nor Jamila Rivzi, I just would have loved to see more of you expand my viewpoint in this article. I will pull my intellectual snobbery in at this point :p!!
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summed up exactly what I was thinking!
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I’m staying with my beloved Aunty and cousin who LOVE Keeping up with the K’s, so I have been sucked into watching it.
They seem like nice enough people, but why am I watching it? I felt my brain melt into lap, and then I fell asleep.
As I said, they seem like nice people, but I don’t care. My next door neighbours are nice people. I’ll just watch them through their window.
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Jamila you are hilarious! Your personality and quirky sense of humour really comes across in this article. A great read and very funny angle on the KK interview. Extra points of the photoshop lols. Thanks!
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When I saw the list of things interviewers were allowed and not allowed to ask I felt a real pang of nostalgia for Norman Gunston.
“Miss Kardiganish, what do you do for a living?”
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Great post. Very funny in a subtle, wry way. A++
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In case you’re interested, this is why Kanye’n'Kim are such an over-the-top couple from an astrology point of view http://www.itsinthestarsonline.com/why-kanye-west-is-showering-kim-kardashian-with-birthday-gifts/
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Awe…I just read some of the feedback to this article and I have to admit, I have a soft spot for the Kardashians! Their show is entertaining, they are entertainers…how can I make fun of them when I have used up several hours of my life watching their antics on TV.
Kim is right – we may not all be millionaires, but it is easy to relate to some of the show’s plotlines…or not, and laugh at how silly they seem/act.
I do not watch every episode, and honestly have probably only watched one season in bits and pieces, but if it is on TV I will click to that channel. This upcoming season sounds good!
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Jamila, am so pleased to see that your kredibility has not turned to krap. Very klever. x
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pretty sure she doesnt have jet lag because first class has like beds, and valium air masks and people to massage your butt when you are sore! Butt massages always cure jet lag
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I’m so glad that I’m still as ignorant about these people as I wsa before I read the article.
Thanks!
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Jamila, I just love your writing. Hard hitting politics to hilarity, real issues to reality TV. Youre brilliant.
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Awesome, funny, refreshing. Love your work. Having mentioned KK negatively/piss-takingly in an article on MM before, I now empathise with the abundance of rage you’ll feel from the fandom. Keep it up, you make me laugh!
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You are hilarious lady. The Oprah photo made me spit out my green tea! Can’t understand the KK thing, it’s bizarreo.
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Loved the behind the scenes sneak peek! Also love the “Oprah” shot! See, photoshop can actually be good for something!
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What. Is. The. POINT. To. This. Family?
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Best interview of KK so far! Well done Jamila for not mentioning the diet product she is here spruiking. Respec!!
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What frustrates me about this woman is that none of us would ever had heard of her if she had not chosen to strategically “leak” a sex video in which she gets urinated on!
THAT is why she is famous Jamila.
How quickly people forget.
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Urinated on!?! …..?
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So pleased to read an article that’s not a suck up piece to a celebrity. I often wonder what it’s REALLY like during these interviews and how much of what is written is utter spin! Love your writing jamila!
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Thanks Ellen! xx
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I never tire of reading your articles Jamila!
Whilst I’m not a Kardashian fanatic I have caught a few episodes (mostly if there’s not much else on offer to watch). I agree… I’m not entirely sure why they’re famous either, but its nice to see that no matter what grade of ‘celebrity’ status Kin has she is still pleasant and acknowledges/accepts the aspects of being ‘famous’ that so many other celebs spend their time whinging and being arrogant about.
Oh… And I REALLY need these boots now, must find my closest Rubi shoes (damn you rural community!!)
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I’m very proud to say I don’t know anything about the Kardashians, not one thing, but this article kept me reading as Jamila didn’t seem to know half as much as she should have either.
Not sure I agree with the concept of someone ‘having’ to interview a person they have no interest in whatsoever (it shows!). I’m sorry to say it’s a bit of a waste of time of an interview if that’s the case. Why bother, honestly?
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I’m kind of offended about how you’ve portrayed/generalised PR people here. Not all of us are overly happy and fake but it seems to be the way we are portrayed all the time. Most of us are simply trying to do our job. I love Mamamia but when you’re making fun of my occupation it kind of turns me off the site.
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You’re annoyed your profession is being portrayed as friendly and happy?
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Huh? Pretty sure she is describing this particular person, not making a sweeping generalisation about all PR people.
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I happen to know this particular person, who is not overly happy or fake at all. Nice to slag someone off for trying to do their job in a polite friendly manner!
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Jamila – I did think the article was well-written and humorous, but I was just wondering why you didn’t feel the need to do some research before hand? Was it a conscious decision not to? I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m making a judgment, I’m honestly just curious.
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Totally fair questions Freya
Yes, as Mia explained below we really wanted to give readers an insight into how these celebrity interviews actually go down. So what I wanted to write was less about the subject and more about the behind-the-scenes look at the process.
To give the ‘layman’s’ understanding the process that kind of necessitated that I didn’t know much about it or much about Kim. I’ve got to say it was a lot of fun but really surreal and everything felt very rehearsed and fake. Kim herself was quite lovely though.
Jamila xx
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Haha, oh, this made me laugh so.
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Very brave article- Wouldn’t be surprised if you were chased down in the street by kardashiclones Jamila!
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Mmmmmmmmmmmm Kim Kardashian.
How can you not like a curvy woman like that.
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Very easily.
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Woww ! Your interview lasted longer than her last marriage !
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This: ” I knew she had a sister (hence Kardashians – plural – being in the title of her show) but only yesterday on Mamamia we’d run pictures of her sister giving birth. I didn’t know she’d previously had fertility problems. Poor girl, I’m thrilled that it has all worked out for her.”
SO. FUNNY.
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I was lucky enough to meet Kim Kardashian at a function for E! Online on Wednesday night and I was bowled over. She was so lovely. I’ve never watched an episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians but full credit to her for being charming and friendly (even if it is part of her job – she did it – many other celebrities don’t).
For me though the best part of meeting her was coming home to my husband and son, pulling off the TWO pairs of spanx I wore and getting into my pajamas and reflecting on how lucky I was that I got to go home to a family that is away from the glare of the public eye. I would hate to be a celeb. Hate it. I think the line between reality and fantasy gets blurred and it’s hard to live up to an ideal of what people perceive or want you to be. And the worst part is that once you are on that treadmill you can never get off.
Kim was lovely though and happy to have her photo taken with me! Without her minders she agreed to anything and everything and she probably didn’t even notice I was wearing two pairs of spanx
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I too do not know what all the fuss is about, who are these people?? I don’t get it.
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HOW are there 70+ comments on this article without anyone mentioning the most IMPORTANT thing?!
I guess I’ll address e elephant in the room then…
Can we please see your boots, Jamila?
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Hehehe. Follow the hyperlink and there are MANY pics of them in our Open Post gallery. They’re awesome – $25 at Rubi. Buy. Buy. Buy!
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I finally caved in and bought mine last night. Only size 39 was left – whereas when you first ran that post they were stocked in every size.
The power of Mamamia
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“amazing jet-lag-less woman”
Yup, first class will do that to you.
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Well we may not know why she is famous, but hey this women(and her family) must have hired one awesome PR manager!
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amusing story …but Im a little unsure if i believe that you had no idea about the Kardashians – pop culture is HUGE on Mamma mia..or sorry should I say the ‘fluff files’….
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Amazing but true, some of us have no idea about anything Kardashian… I still don’t know what’s going on after this article
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The only things I know about Kim K are what I read on gossip websites. I also know that some makeup/beauty girls on YouTube have made a TONNE of tutes about her highlighting, contouring, bronzing, etc, techniques and those get heaps of views, though I don’t understand the appeal of Kim’s makeup since it always looks too heavy and can’t look that good in real life.
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Haha loved the honesty in your article. I am actually addicted to the Kardashians and have already watched the whole series streamed online straight from the US. Every time I watch it I feel a bit sick at how superficial and ridiculous the show and their lives seem but can’t seem to stop watching!
Was Kim as stunning in real life as she appears in photographs? I used to respect Kanye but from how he is on the show he seems incredibly superficial also.
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She was really beautiful Elle. For all my piss-take about her being unblinking, she did have these stunning big brown eyes.
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Ah….the unblinking brown eye !
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Ba ha ha!
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lol didn’t kayne west ripping an award out of someone’s hand give you a clue that he’s a bit of a w*nker?
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we are censoring swear words now?
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Loved reading this Jamila! I especially liked the photos of you- hilarious! xxxx
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If KK had a stare off with Julie Bishop (of the death stare), who would win? That would make REALLY entertaining reality TV.
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I don’t watch any of the reality shows and this has totally ruined my previous enjoyment of gossip mags.
NW, Who and the like are filled with these vapid people now.
I bet the REAL movie an TV actors love it though. They are getting a break from being followed by the paps and get a bit of privacy.
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All I want to know is what mascara she was wearing!!
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Fake eyelashes
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