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Mia Freedman

 

 

 

 

by MIA FREEDMAN

There are two types of people: those who’d keep working if they won Lotto and those who wouldn’t. Me, I’d work. Is it bad to admit that? Am I betraying some unwritten code that states work is a drag and leisure the ultimate goal?

This same code also says every parent (read: mother) should aspire to give up their career to spend more time with their family. Actresses (never actors) are always sprouting off in interviews about how much they want to quit Hollywood to stay home with their kids and yet they never do. I suspect this is because they love their work and their kids. Which is fine. Me too. So why is that something to be denied or played down like a shameful secret?

Wait, I know. It’s because we’re all meant to be reaching for work/life balance with a moral emphasis on the life part. And my hand is up. Hell, I’m a Libra. Looking for balance is MY ASTROLOGICAL JOB.

But I have a few issues with it. First of all, it’s a pretty indulgent concept. To strive for work/life balance you need to have (a) employment and (b) a nice life. Not everyone is so lucky. The guy who works two jobs to put food on the table or the single mother who just got laid off….well, I wonder how often they Google “How Can I Achieve Work/Life Balance?”

Sometimes the pressure to be balanced can itself become a burden. I know what it’s like to feel overwhelmed – it’s my default state – but at certain times in your life, balance is an impossiblity. My husband and I run our own start-up web publishing business that’s in a major growth phase. It’s hectic. This week while trying to organise a Skype meeting with someone, he asked me “Which shift are we talking, day or night? My day shift finishes at 6pm, night shift starts at 8pm.”

I hear you, brother. That’s my life at the moment, hence the overwhelm. (Note: I now feel a pressing need to tell you how much time I spend with my kids so you don’t mutter ‘bad mother’ while shaking your head in faux concern. I DO spend a lot of time with my kids but those spinning plates on sticks are constantly smashing to the ground and I’ve grown quite used to the sound of broken crockery. )

Not everyone is seeking that elusive balance. There’s a hidden subculture of people who actually enjoy devoting most of their waking hours to work. When you’re lucky enough to do something you love, boundaries between work and play blur. And sometimes that makes observers uncomfortable.

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A girlfriend was forced to defend herself last year when she sent some work emails from hospital two days after giving birth to her third child. “I didn’t have to but I wanted to” she explained each time her email generated an ‘Are-You-Mad?!’ response. “If I enjoy my work, how is it different to watching TV or reading a book?”

A political journalist I admire who juggles a towering pile of media commitments with two small children is constantly asked “how do you do it?” and her response is equally simple. “If I wasn’t paid to write about politics, I’d follow it anyway. It’s just what I’m interested in. The pay part is a bonus.”

I feel the same way even though many of my work hours are spent away from the office.  I’m always the last one to work and the first to leave. I’m also the one who shouts, “Go home and get a life, you losers!” with loving affection as I race out the door. But they don’t want to. They’re all happy shifting their lives in favour of work right now. None of my editorial team have kids. Two have long-distance partners. All are under 30.

In the most biased and disingenuous piece of anecdotal research ever conducted, I asked them whether they like working so much. Apparently, they do and yet they all agreed there was a stigma attached to long hours. “But I think it comes from people who hate their jobs,” said one, adding, “One of my friends works in property and spends her weekends at house inspections, reading home magazines and watching real estate porn. My mum’s a chef and nothing makes her happier than cooking for other people. If you’re lucky enough to enjoy what you do, it’s a gift.”

And when you don’t have the emotional tug of pets, partners or family in your heart and head, it can be a window of opportunity. “Why can’t I fill this non-commitment period of time with work and study and things that I generally see to be more productive than chatting on Facebook?” says one 21 year old who works full time and studies law at night. “Because when you look at it, even with everything I do, my life is still much easier than it would be if I was 40 and had a mortgage and a husband and children and a parent with Alzheimer’s. What’s that saying? ‘Find something you love and you’ll never work another day in your life.’”

True. Meanwhile I’m off to find a dustpan and brush to clean up all my broken plates.

Have you found the elusive work/life balance? Do you know anybody who has? Would you still go to work, even if you weren’t paid? Why?

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360 Comments so far

  1. PB

    I have a crap unfulfilling job that I only do because we need the money to live. Because we live in a country town there are no other better jobs to go to so, if I won the 100 mill you wouldn’t see me for dust. I would take my hubby and 3 kids and travel and see everything I want to see and experience in the world and them come home and try to do some good. Maybe a homeless children’s charity, or one that helps homeless families get a home of their own. That would be my new job, one that I would lOve and look forward to doing every day.

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  2. Anonymous

    My partner has anger issues and when he loses the plot and starts calling me names, swearing, breaking up with etc… I tell him pull your head your acting like a joke. He also try’s to blame me for his behaviour, in which I always respond ” the way you choose to act is your responsibility and no one deserves to be spoken to like that” . Within hours he has calmed and is lovely again. He has first counselling appointment next week, which is good. As I’m pregnant with his child and I’m strong now, but I don’t know how long I can be for. Also I don’t want my children to grow up seeing / hearing that crap.

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  3. Adelaide Mum

    I went back to work when my child was 6 months old. It killed me, I didn’t want to go back, I’m not a career woman, the job is to pay the bills.

    I’ve struggled with the work/life balance. Since my son has been in childcare, he has had sickness after sickness, which he has passed on to me and my husband. Consequently over the last 5 months I had quite a lot of time off work either sick myself, or having a day here and there to look after him as he couldn’t go to childcare. I was made redundant last month, company wide redundancies, but I believe all the time off I’ve had also had something to do with it. Work/life balance and flexibility sounds great, but how many companies really support it. We don’t have a huge network to look after our son if he’s sick. Sometimes I wonder how mum’s do it, especially the ones with the busier high level jobs. And I’m wondering how I’m going to hold down a new job, if he keeps getting sick. I don’t want work/life balance, I don’t want it all. I want to be a SAHM.

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  4. If only

    If I won 100 million, i wouldn’t hesitate in quitting my job. Whilst I like my work, I HATE every moment that I have to leave my daughter. I’m a single mum, and before me and my ex split I was lucky enough to be a stay at home mum. Now I work a 60 hour week to ensure I can give my little girl everything she deserves.

    id buy a really nice beach house, boat and then maybe explore the world with her … If only :)

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  5. AnotherMelB

    How how how did this column get hijacked by the daycare/working/SAHM debate? Goodness.
    Mia you don’t need to worry about whether you will need to go to work on Wednesday because I am winning that $100mill!!
    And i’ll quit work because what I do for work now is not my passion, but I am a little envious of those for whom it is….fancy loving getting up every morning to go to work….

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  6. Hannah

    I have always had ‘career’ in mind rather than ‘job’. A career is something I’ll have when I’ve finished uni & am doing something I love. A job just earns me money.
    Though to be honest, as a journalism student I spend most of my time interning without pay. And I love every minute!
    Whats wrong with that?
    My boyfriend has a totally different mindset – in it for the money. I think its a waste of his intelligence sometimes. But ultimately, its about what makes us happy. If you can make money doing what you love then I don’t think there is any reason to complain or criticise.

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  7. Amanda

    What a long-winded way of saying if you love your work you don’t mind working long hours. I am not sure you can go on breaking all those plates forever. Besides finding work you truly love is not attainable for most in the real world. Mia, you have trivialised what is a very serious issue for most of people, especially parents of young children.

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  8. Mary

    Argh.. I’m sorry to post a shallow comment but I can’t resist.

    Mia, you are a gorgeous woman. I just wish you’d show your smile off more in these photos! Cheese

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  9. amd

    Choosing to work if you win lotto isn’t bad, it just means you’re dull. There is a universe of fascinating things to learn, do and explore out there. Time, leisure and money means limitless possibilities for new learning and experiences. Sorry to be blunt, but if your choice is to keep doing the same old stuff, however much you profess to enjoy it, well I consider that dull as ditchwater. No doubt some will be furious to hear that (better dull than nasty, better dull than supercilious and smug, chuckling just imagining the thoughts of the beige brigade). However, dull isn’t a crime, just an observation.

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    • Leesa

      I’d rather be “dull” and happy than be untrue to myself by trying to be interesting in someone else’s eyes.

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    • Sam

      What’s dull about owning a web publishing business in a rapid phase of growth? I think one of Mia’s main points is: work is not dull for everyone. If you love your work, that’s the real lottery win.

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  10. Singapore fling

    I personally prefer the term work life harmony rather than balance. Balance seems to impute a degree of equivalence between work and other aspects of your life, which I do not think is possible with today’s expectations of work schedules and the demands of being a parent. Finding a place where work/family commitments, even if not in balance, work for you and your family is key. So bring on work/life harmony.

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  12. Emma Grey

    Someone already posted this link to the Atlantic article on why women still can’t have it all:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/07/why-women-still-can-8217-t-have-it-all/9020/

    Today a single working dad responded:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/06/men-cant-have-it-all-either/258890/

    And here’s one about work-life balance and single women:

    http://jezebel.com/5912572/work+life-balance-isnt-just-for-moms-anymore-all-the-single-ladies-want-it-too

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  13. Fi

    This is more of a response to the comments than the article. Somehow this turned into a mummy war. Again.

    1) SAHM’s are not lazy, day time TV addicts, who are apparently uneducated and ignorant about the world around them. They work hard, 24/7 in fact. They just don’t get paid.

    2) Working mums are not selfish because they go to paid work. They work very hard only to come home to work. Again.

    Some members of group 1) judge working mothers, using the ‘selfish’ line to enforce guilt – that most likely, but shouldn’t – already exists in the mind of the poor guilt – ridden working mother. Those judgements from this group are likely to be based on a self-defence mechanism, because a large part of society disrespect the very difficult and hard working role that is SAHM.

    Some members of group 2) judge SAHM’s. Their guilt about whether they are spending enough time with their own children gives rise to the completely unsubstantiated claim that looking after children is not work. It is, because you pay a child care worker to do that job, so yes, it is.

    The vitriole, hatred and judgment that comes from both groups is unsubstantiated, unnecessary crap. I don’t know a mother who isn’t working their ass off for their children’s best interests. People may have a different opinion about what is in their child’s or their own best interest, but, I think the concept of a bad mother or bad mothering is not as common as some would like to suggest in their broad stereo-typing.

    Now – why has this story driven a SAHM v working mother debate? Work and life are terms common to humans, not just parents, not just mothers.

    I read a comment about how this theory of work – life balance is basically in the eye of beholder. Couldn’t agree more. Whether you live to work or work to live, your choice is not better or more valid than another’s. We are here to find our ‘happy’, and wouldn’t it be nice if we could achieve that without hating on each other to justify our own choice.

    Another thing – the fact that this article was largely interpreted as a ‘women’s problem’ gives us a large insight into how we, collectively, view women’s place in society. Have we really come that far with equality? No. Children are not only the concern of women. And yes, men need to find their work life balance too, not just women. If society changes their view about women’s roles, it will automatically open up to the discussion that men too, might want to balance their work life around their children.

    That’s my 2 cents. For the record, I’ve worn the SAHM hat, the Working mum hat, the student-mum hat, and the non-parent career girl hat. I end up feeling hated by everyone after reading comment reels like this. Lol. I thought it was important to add this comment, because I’d like to think I represent a middle ground here. I respect all the discussed work/life choices. You should all feel validated in your choice. It’s yours. Own it.

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    • Mel

      Great comment.

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    • fifi-lulu

      Oh Fi, I think I love you!

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    • k8e.

      Wush i could ‘love’ this comment a million and one times over.

      Im currently witnessing both sides of this as im off on my 12wks maternity leave. I’ve always said I’d be happy to be going back to work and i am. Peopke look at me with a number of emotionsvwritten all over their faces. Awe, pity, sadness, disbelief…. you just have to know you’re doing what is right for your family circumstances.

      I know the time i will spend with my son outside work will be much better for us both than if i was at home with him all the time because i’m not the happy to be a sahm type, just like there are those who couldnt bear to put their child in care.

      Seriously people just need to stop judging others,feeling judged and therefore being happy and comfortable with their own choices. I am.

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  14. fifi-lulu

    Wow. Just WOW.
    Have read through most of the posts and I must say I am really disappointed in some of these posts and their tone, especially regarding childcare.
    The whole ‘my choices are better than your choices’ is not constructive, neither is the ridiculous generalisations (i.e. childcare kids are neglected!).

    Personally, I think people make choices based on their circumstances whether it be financial or otherwise. And we should respect these choices.

    This is what I have learnt. There are some points in your life you can not ‘have it all’. This is how my story unfolded. Yours may be different.

    Before children you can have a stellar career. You don’t ‘have it all’ because you don’t have kids (only referring to the mother ‘have it all’ version here)

    Then a baby is born and zombie mothers can barely get time to have a shower, let alone go to work. Babies are a full-time job. You don’t ‘have it all’, nor do you even want it. You have a beautiful baby and that is all that matters.

    But newborns grow up, they become little people with social needs and going to childcare or playgroup helps to socialise them. Childcare exposes them to social norms and they get to interact with other children and adults. Language develops and so does awareness of the world.

    My first was in full-time care since 11 months and his carer adored him and he her! What is so wrong with that? You can ‘have it all’ at this stage – one toddler is manageable and within budget.

    Then you have another baby and the career takes a blow. It can wait. Repeat zombie mother stage. Whether you go back to work or not is entirely up to your circumstance, financial situation, motivations, work ethic and beliefs. Two kids in childcare is not neccessarily viable; you do the sums and you discover you would be working for peanuts (not even the roasted ones).

    You then decide to change occupations and go back to uni full-time. One in school, toddler in childcare.

    Then they both go to school and suddenly you have 6 hours of the day free to do whatever you want, be it Ellen (I prefer Dr Phil -lol) or work (I did so part-time).

    Then the kids are really independent and can dress and feed themselves and do homework. You don’t feel so bad that they are in after-school care a few days a week because they have a break, a snack, do their homework and play with friends.

    Then you find yourself in full-time work and voila, you have your kids and a full-time career. And still use OSHC (a form of childcare).

    And then you can ‘have it all’. Happy children AND a career (not just a job, but a long-term career.)

    End of story (so far).

    I have had a child(ren) and worked full-time, part-time and casual in the last 10 years. I was also a stay-at-home-mum for five years and a full-time post-grad uni student for one. My children adapted to whatever work conditions I was experiencing and have not been scarred (or on the other hand, are superior) by attending childcare or having me home full-time. I can not say that one is better than the other, because neither is. Having loving parents is the most important thing!

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    • Guest

      Could not have said it better myself!

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  15. The Tip Master

    I was sending work emails 10 minutes before going in for my c-section and 2 hours after coming out of the operation. But then I own the business.

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    • speccygirl

      wow – you sound passionate about what you do -amazing! :)

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  16. Mel

    I like this article, i am glad it discusses both sides of the story.I have been applying for jobs for years now.I have been a stay at home mum and i just can’t seem to get back into the work force.I have done university study and kept active in the community but still no luck.Sometimes life just doesn’t deliver the things you want.I would love to have a job and children.

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  17. cher

    I adore my job and would not quit if I won the lottery (but, yes, I’d definitely switch to 4 days which would stop it spilling into my evenings).

    I think this is hereditary – both my parents are still working full time at 65 (mum) and 70 (dad) with no plans to quit in the near future. My dad knows that eventually he will have to sell the farm so his retirement plan is to work for his neighbours on their farm!!

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  18. Trog

    Jeezus, there are some smug-arsed and ignorant comments on here today.

    You cannot make me feel guilty that my 2 kids had a Nanny 3 days a week from 8 months and were/are in daycare from 2 onwards. However, I feel compelled to comment after reading some of the blatant attempts to shame working mothers below.

    I’m astonished that SAHMs feel qualified to comment on how deleterious childcare is to children when they clearly have had no experience in the matter whatsoever.

    My wife had a big job when we knocked her up and at no point did I have an expectation that she would go from that to full time Days of Our Lives and Ellen.

    Here are the benefits of having a working wife:

    1. The extra money never hurts.

    2. The kids and I have a happy, intellectually engaged wife and mother who loves life.

    3. I’m proud of her career achievements and I have enjoyed some cool freebies due to her job.

    4. My wife is a great conversationalist because she has stayed engaged with the world.

    5. Most importantly, I have 2 blissfully happy and sane daughters whose mother has taught them by example not to limit their dreams.

    6. My kids’ social confidence is head and shoulders above most other kids their age. Not annoying, in your face precociousness, but they engage adults and other kids in a nicely confident way. I attribute much of that to daycare and dealing extensively with people outside the family from a young age, plus the secure knowledge that they are very loved at home.

    I’m not dissing SAHMs at all, but please don’t assume that your way is the only or best way.

    And to the commenters who are attempting to shame mothers who are compelled to put their kids into daycare through financial necessity; I think that your behaviour is disgusting.

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    • Renee

      Not all stay at home mothers agree with what some people are saying. If I’m honest the real reason I chose to stay at home with my kids is because I didn’t have a job I loved so I thought it would be easier to stay home. I don’t think I would have stopped working if I’d had a career I loved and had worked hard to build.I admire women who have careers and families, and all of the working mothers I know work very hard to make a happy home for their children. None of their children seem to be missing out on anything as far as I can tell.

      I love number 5 on your list. I struggle with how I am going to teach my daughters this one.

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      • Kris2040

        Good on you for admitting that, Renee, I suspect that many sanctimommies who bang on about sacrificing for their kids etc were probably in the same boat in their previous jobs but it’s not cool to admit like you have.

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      • Trog

        Nice comment Renee. Re. point 5 – I think if you hold the attitude that girls are as capable as boys then your daughter/s will pick up on it.

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      • anon

        Renee, you will be your kids mum for a very long time. Examples dont have to be set when they’re little. I have a friend whose mum went and did medicine in her 50′s. Her kids were also at uni at the same time. They are very proud of her.

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      • speccygirl

        respect Renee – I totally relate to what you are saying…

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    • Anon

      If you don’t want to come across as ‘dissing’ anyone, Trog, perhaps you should leave out your little ‘digs’ (‘full time Days of our Lives and Ellen’, ‘a great conversationalist because she’s stayed engaged with the world’, ‘intellectually engaged wife’). This is as ignorant and smug as those comments that annoy you.

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      • Trog

        True. I couldn’t quite drag myself above that daytime TV dig. Only aimed at the comments meant to offend.

        To clarify the other perceived digs,I think that SAHMs are just as able to stay engaged with the world, but some choose not to. Please see some of the other comments on this.

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        • Anon

          In my experience, points 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 could be said about a woman in either category!

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      • Kris2040

        Eh? Trog said he never thought that’s what having time off with the kids would mean!

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        • Trog

          Kris, sorry, got to let you down on that one. I re-read this, realised it was offensive and thought bugger it, the offensive anti-childcare comments are aimed at a pretty vulnerable segment of society, I’m going to leave it in.

          No other digs intended.

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          • Kris2040

            Ah cool. I am at home today, so was distracted. By Ellen.

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  19. Anon

    I am a stay at home mum and really enjoy it. I am kept very busy with helping my oldest child who struggles academically and volunteering (a lot) at school.

    I would like to earn some money and go back to work part time however I’m not sure how I would handle the school holidays. I wouldn’t want to let my employer down by taking school holidays off 4 times a year. I also wouldn’t want to book the kids in for (expensive) holiday camps as they really need to relax and enjoy their holidays. I can’t count on my parents because they look after my sister’s children.

    What do you do??

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    • Kris2040

      Why not look at becoming a teacher’s aide or a teacher? You could study for both from home externally.

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      • Anon

        God no….I only help my son with his school work because I have to and I never help out in the classroom at school (I volunteer for all the fundraising etc). I thought the idea of paid work was to get away from yours and other children!!!

        I was thinking of something in retail. So how do people work and juggle school holidays??

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  20. Kris2040

    Interesting topic and comments. I am pretty perplexed at some of them though. Regulars know I’m a Single Mum, and I’m going to uni to become a teacher. So apparently it is OK for me to use childcare to go to uni, because it’s for my daughter and my future, and I’m all there is for her parents wise. OK Great! But then I say I enjoy going to uni and feel no guilt for having her in day care, and apparently this is bad or somehow wrong? It’s bad or wrong to enjoy what I do without her?
    So apparently ideally I should have married a financial plan to enable me to stay at home baking for the family, even though I am highly intelligent and following my passion (late, but finally) of teaching. Being at home (as either a full-time stay at home Mum or a housewife) doesn’t suit me. At all. I start getting down and needing anti-depressants.
    But because my circumstances are such that I’m not with my daughter’s father, it’s OK for us to live a “lesser” life by me putting her in daycare? If she didn’t like it, I wouldn’t do it, but she loves going, I love the gorgeous people who care for her while I’m at uni or studying (or heaven forbid, spending an hour by myself swimming or at the shops! Quelle horreur!!) and they adore her. I don’t expect them to “raise her”, I expect them to care for her while I’m not there. I’m doing the raising, thanks very much.
    If I was just sitting around on the Parenting Payment, I’d cop it for “not contributing”, but by working towards contributing, I’m “outsourcing raising my kid”. Whatever. God I’m glad I have a thick skin and know I’m doing the right thing.

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    • anon

      Kris2040, you sound like a great mum and your little girl is very lucky to have you.
      I dont see anything wrong in you enjoying going to uni, I loved my time there. Whats wrong with that???
      I dont see anything wrong with parents enjoying working or parents enjoying being at home fulltime.
      When the alarm bells start ringing is when people complain of feeling guilty about their choices. Guilt is a powerful emotion and one that should be listened to. Own your choices, be rpoud and dont apologise for them. But if guilt is biting at your heels it is trying to tell you something so its worthwhile to slow down long enough to take notice of it.

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      • Kris2040

        Exactly! If either of us were unhappy, I would reassess. I wouldn’t waste my time feeling guilty, it’s such a tiring unnecessary emotion. I’d change what was happening. I’ve already done that where Family Day Care didn’t work out. If the centre hadn’t worked as well, that’s no problem, I would have stopped. But it’s good, we’re both happy, what’s the problem?

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    • Amandarose

      I read some of those responses and thought they were well out of line. I am sure you are a great mum and will be a great teacher

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  21. jb expat

    Interesting article. Depressing reading the comments (not all, but most). I have an 18 month old. I work full time (3 days in office/2 days at home – office days begin and end early) and my husband works full time in the office (he waits for the sitter in the morning on the days I am in the office – which means is there for when little man wakes, wants milk, and wants breakfast). Do we both “need” to work? I don’t know – define “need” – financially, we’d still eat if one of us stopped working and we’d pay our mortgage and have nothing left after paying the other bills. Does “need” include what we have decided to do to be happy people (and, yes, this includes things like nice holidays that are important to us, but also engaging our minds). This might provoke many, but by the end of the weekend, I need (want) a break from feeding a messy toddler 3 meals plus snacks…and cleaning up. I enjoy the fact that I am at my desk having a very late lunch reading the internet for a few minutes. AND, I practically run to the train and through the front door because I’m so excited to see my little boy at the end of each office day. And on non-office days, instead of lunch, I take him to a music class on one day and play with him during a break on the other. I know for sure, that daily excitement on my part wouldn’t be there if I wasn’t working.
    My husband is also home from work for play, bath and bed time every night but one when he has a standing gym appointment. He hasn’t pursued a more intense job because this is important to us both – for him to be there not just on the weekends.
    Part time is not an option for me – my job can’t be done on a part time basis – but my employer is flexible with hours and working from home on an established and regular basis. messy toddler his breakfast and lunch (I always am home for dinner).
    We are doing the best we can figure out FOR US – FOR OUR FAMILY – WE FOCUS ON THE “FAMILY” CONCEPT…we are 3 individuals and we try to tick most of the boxes for most of us most days.
    I never expected others to care what we decide to do, but I guess others really do care or at least tell us what we are doing wrong. Which is horrible because I know of no mother who does not 2nd guess her own choices. When my mommy friends talk to me (and they come in all flavors including full time, part time, sahm), I just support them – I don’t point out how what they are doing is wrong as they are already worried about just that.

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    • Sashi

      Great comment – you’ve made the decision according to what suits your family. I’m sure that if you’re a happier, more fulfilled mother, your child will be better off, rather than worse off. So far, my partner and I have made a different decision (I work part time, my partner is almost full time, and we’ve managed to juggle childcare between us), and we expect to not be judged for this decision, just as we wouldn’t dream of judging anyone who has made a different decision according to the needs of their family. Drives me nuts when people insist that their way of doing things is the only right way.

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    • Marls

      Good on you for finding what reads like a very balanced approach to meeting everyone’s needs.

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  22. Anonymous

    Why has a post about work/life balance (Mia, you’re a creative woman, can you please invent a term that isn’t so blaaahh to describe “work/life balance”, please?) turned into a thread of comments about working mothers v non working mothers?

    Work and life are something that everyone engages in, not just parents (read: mothers, according to this thread). Anyone out there childless and have any sweet hobbies they need to leave work on time for or form a big part of your life? Karate classes? Touch football teams? BOATING?

    Mia’s website is a women’s website, not a parenting website, so it is not unreasonable to think that people might talk about work/life generally, not just focused on parents.

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    • Marijana

      I thought exactly the same. Some women feel the need to explain themselves why they chose to stay at home and that this is the better choice. Whereas I think the work/life balance is about fathers as well, but yes of course for any person, not just parents.

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  23. neola

    Such interesting comments below, great conversation…

    My experience: My siblings and I grew up with a dedicated and lovely SAHM, the kind that made us the envy of our classmates. Even though we didn’t have much money, we were pretty spoiled in other ways: Hot lunches brought to school, birthday cakes, always clean home (seriously! Other kids commented on it!) I loved it. Some of the less fortunate kids even used to call her ‘mum’ too.

    Luckily, our parents’ marriage has lasted and she’s never had to support herself. As an adult, I now realise how much mum has missed out on, even though it’s exactly what she wanted. She has a limited world view, she’s never studied or worked or even really had a passion beyond her family. She suffered terribly from empty nest syndrome but now dotes on her grandchildren. My dad is now ill and retiring early and they’re stressed about their finances. He has insurance so she’ll be ok if he passes away, but she has no idea how to pay a bill, or even what the real cost of living is. It’s really quite scary how vulnerable she would be to be taken advantage of, luckily she has a supportive family to help.

    So I’m quite torn on the work/home thing. Luckily, I’ve already studied, lived alone and paid my own bills and worked up to my 30s. But now that I’m hopefully starting my own family soon, I do want to stay at home for as long as I can. What a luxury in this day and age! I’d happily sacrifice some material extras if it meant more time with my kids while they’re little.

    But even if we can afford it, I also want to keep my mind active and my skills current, in case I ever need to be a ‘breadwinner’ or completely self-sufficient again…

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    • catgirl

      She has a limited world view, she’s never studied or worked or even really had a passion beyond her family.
      That is not the norm with SAHM. I worked from the age of 17 to 33 when I had my first child and became a SAHM. Being a SAHM doesn’t mean that you have a limited world view you still have newspapers and current affairs on TV. I went and studied Ancient History at night school simply because it interested me, I also went back to night school and studied maths so I could keep up with my children. I did a couple of photography courses and joined a camera club amongst other things.
      Your mother was like that because that was the way she was, not because she was a SAHM.

      so she’ll be ok if he passes away, but she has no idea how to pay a bill, or even what the real cost of living is. It’s really quite scary how vulnerable she would be to be taken advantage of, luckily she has a supportive family to help.

      Again I would suggest that isn’t the norm, in some families the male does the physical paying of the bills and in other families the female does the physical paying of the bills, regardless of who actually earnd the money. In our family it was always I who paid the bills because I am more organised like that than my husband. My husband earnd the money and I spent the money :)

      If your mother has never studied or worked she must have got married very young, straight out of high school.

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      • anon

        Great call catgirl. I too am a SAHM. Most of my friends are. I have 2 university degrees and worked at least part time from when I left school until I had my first child at 30. Most of my friends hvae done similar things. I have travelled the world as a backpacker and now enjoy sharing my experiences and education with my children to their benefit.

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      • The Tip Master

        Catgirl. I wouldn’t hesitate to suggest that the mother Neola is speaking about is from quite a different generation to you. A generation that got married early and had kids early too. Very different times to what we live in now so don’t take offence to the “Limited World View” comment.

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        • neola

          Yes, please don’t take offence! What I was trying to say (clearly not very well :-) ) was that I LOVED having a SAHM and that I’d like to be one myself – but that I also want to ensure I can avoid the pitfalls my mother experienced, unknowingly, until it was too late. She simply loved us so much, she forgot to look outside the home for 20 years plus, and by the time we were gone, she’d lost all confidence to do so.

          I don’t for a second think this happens to all SAHMs, especially today. And yes, she did marry very young.

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    • Guest

      I understand what you are saying. My mum did work sometimes, but she was devoted to mothering to the point of not doing anything for herself and now we are grown up she has no one (she is divorced) and is constantly guilting me about how lonely she is and in need of visits (she lives 90 mins away from me). It is quite a burden to put on an adult child, I visit and call a lot but have my own life to lead.

      I wish my mother had done more with her own life.

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  24. Lulu

    “Would you still go to work, even if you weren’t paid?”

    Yes; but probably not *this* work.

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  25. Charlie

    I love the ‘I chose not to focus on me’, as if women work because they are so selfish!

    ahahaha – all the men who are working fathers are soooo selfish, and women are just BORN to be selfless.

    Well, here’s a piece of trolling for you – staying at home is the default catch-all! I suspect a lot of women who say they prefer to be at home to working, and scorn the women who work, never had a job they truly loved or that truly fulfilled them, so they ‘obviously don’t understand’ what it’s like to be fulfilled by anything other than childcare!

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    • Phary

      As a woman who has done both, staying at home is by far the harder option. As a mum to twins and another single child, being full time on call to little people is WORK like I’d never experienced before. Never diss that.

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    • anon

      Perhaps you are right in some instances Charlie. But I also think many women go back to work because its easier to pay someone else to care for the kids and go back to work. And enjoy the after work Friday night drinks that arent available if you’re at home with the kids all week.

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  26. Cinderfella

    I also have a close friend that works at a day care centre.

    She told me that in her opinion, nearly all the children in full time day care are neglected.

    They get dropped off each morning innappropriately dressed, without being fed, runny noses/coughs hair not brushed etc.

    A lot of the parents are unemployed and home each day. Just can’t be bothered to look after their kids.

    The employed parents too busy with work to actually raise their own kids.

    If you can’t look after your own kids, simple…don’t have any.

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    • trolling?

      That seems like a totally trolling comment – my childcare center is nothing like that

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    • Natasha

      I totally agree.

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    • marie

      Are a mothers “tears” feeling some unfulfillment about her needs more valuable than the tears of her child who cries all day at daycare??? NEVER!!!!

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    • BecR

      Sounds like your friend works in an awful day care centre then. I also can’t imagine unemployed parents being able to afford, en masse, $100/day (in Sydney, anyway) fees for daycare. Unemployed parents are not entitled to the CCR as they don’t pass the work/study test. Surely that was an exaggeration?

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    • The Tip Master

      Whoa oo fucking oooohhh? What a ridiculous comment Cinderfella. Here’s a tip: Your friend telling you this is either a dipshit, or is taking the piss.

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  27. Mel b

    I was talking to a lady at work who just recently retired, she has two daughters. One is 16 the other is a oot older with children if her own. She doesn’t know either of them, doesnt know where the 16 year old is half the time as she isn’t home, she was never home to cook tea, do home work, pick them up from school, go to school for anything. The little incedentals that just happen when your there. She was always busy working and loved it. She had always worked full time and more as a single mum it gave her an identity and made her feel important.

    Looking back she said she missed out on a lot, she regrets not being around with her two girls. She didnt get to watch them grow up. Working wasn’t the problem, it was the long hours, the split shifts of being at the time a chef. Thinking her girls wouldn’t notice any different. But she was wrong.
    I tell her stories of my day with my boys. The good, bad, funny – days she never had.

    I feel like the luckiest person in the world. I made a choice not to focus on myself or a career. I work a few shifts a week but just enough to get out join the world, its not a great job but I choose to focus on my beautiful family. And that makes me happy and I’m not sorry for this not one little bit.

    I don’t love my job but I do it as it fits into our life. I get to be home during the day then a few nights a week and some weekends. I really can’t be bothered with a career at the moment, and I’m not sorry for that either. It doesn’t make me any less of a person. I’m not sorry I want to be with my kids every day.

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    • Anonymous

      This is me. I love having time to love my kids and to teach them life skills. My present job isn’t a career, yet it is a job I enjoy. I used to be hard on myself because I wasn’t accomplished. I’m just not accomplished YET, as far as education and a career. I will have time when my kids are older and are more independent. Their wellbeing means everything to me, and this is what works for us.

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  28. Law Student

    Wow, this piece is just so simplistic and lacking in any real depth or analysis of these issues.

    Someone else posted a link in the comments, but if you want to read something much more comprehensive and interesting about the issues women have in managing working, family and life, better to have a look at this article.

    http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/07/why-women-still-can-8217-t-have-it-all/9020/

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    • Mel b

      That article is very good. Even the interview is fantastic, she sums it up so well. Very empowering! Thank you!

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    • indeed

      Brilliant. Just brilliant. Thanks for sharing. The most profound question to me given I have just embarked on a tree-change to take me away from career temptation while my kids are still young is expressed in this article -

      “Those who have decided to step back for a while, taking on consultant positions or part-time work that lets them spend more time with their children, are worrying about how long they can “stay out” before they lose the competitive edge they worked so hard to acquire.”

      I know i’ve done the right thing for my kids and my sanity- but losing what I have worked so hard to build up keeps me awake at night. Reconciling the parent and the passionate worker into one life, at one time has proved impossible for me. So I park her for awhile and look forward to a stunning career in my 50′s.

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    • Anon

      Fantastic article, thanks for sharing!

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    • Megs

      I posted link before – there is also a great interview here http://thehairpin.com/2012/06/anne-marie-slaughter-on-family-career-and-women-not-having-it-all-yet

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      • Anon

        An interesting read. I love hearing about the personal lives of very successful women because there aren’t that many of them. I don’t think she covered much new ground as far as the work/life balance discussion is concerned, but I did enjoy reading of her experiences at the top.

        After such intelligent writing, I did get a surprise when she said her and her husband were half european so they both spoke ‘european’, but I let her off because she is American.

        The comments section is quite entertaining too!

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  29. Wobbygong

    It still astounds me that some mothers are happy to leave their child in the care of a stranger.

    How does a baby tell you that they’ve been left in a room to cry all day?

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    • Katie

      Wow. I’m not often offended by things like this but your comment is so judgmental and rude.
      I don’t know any mothers who use daycare that are “happy” to leave their kids at daycare. For some of us, its a financial necessity and for others, it provides a much needed break to be able to work.
      Maybe you need to think about the fact that not everyone’s circumstances and opinion match your own and that doesn’t make you right and everyone else wrong?

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      • Wobbygong

        Regardless of how YOU feel, what about the poor babies in day-care?

        I have a close friend who works in a local centre and she told me that she’d never put her kids in day-care.

        We’ve all heard horror stories….apparently some of them are true!

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    • Charlie

      some mothers? What about fathers?

      Those men shouldn’t be letting their women go out and work and let their babies be left to cry in a room all day!

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      • Guest

        “Those men shouldn’t be letting their women go out and work”

        Yeah, cos a man ‘lets’ me go out and work. Or ‘lets’ me do anything. Gee reading these comments was like stepping back in time.

        I find it hilarious (because if I didn’t laugh I would cry) that on a blog run by an hard working very successful businesswoman and working mother the comments frequently hark back to the 1950′s.

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        • Alice

          I’m pretty sure she was being sarcastic and commenting on the assumed gender roles in wobbygong’s first comment!

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          • Anonymous

            Assumed gender roles???

            When was the last time you saw a father push out a baby?

            Seriously.

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            • Sashi

              What does ‘pushing out a baby’ have to do with childcare? A baby/child is the responsibility of both parents, not just the mother.
              And re Wobbygong’s first comment – I’ll never understand why some people feel entitled to judge the parenting decisions of others. My partner and I have worked out an arrangement so we can both work (part time on my part), and share childcare. This is great for us; it might not work for other people. The people I know with kids in childcare love their children as much as I love mine, and have made the decision that is right for their family – and it is THEIR family.

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            • Judy

              We can judge because we end up paying when most of these “dumped” kids become criminals or dole bludgers.

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            • Sashi

              Judy, you’re not serious?!? Serious family disfunction might lead to kids growing up to be ‘criminals and dole bludgers’ but not childcare! So many adults I know were in childcare as small children and none of them are criminals or dole-bludgers! (Incidentally, my hardworking, law-abiding partner was in childcare from the age of 7 months and has very loving and happy family relationships; while I have quite a bad relationship with my SAHM). Loving parents who put their kids in childcare because they need to work (for financial or personal reasons) are still loving parents. Perhaps if the motivations are different (i.e. the rare occasions upon which parents are simply not interested in their children) the outcomes will be different. This is not about whether or not children are in daycare, though – it is about the relationship they have with their parents. Honestly, so many kids are in childcare these days (I’m the only one in my group of friends who’s child will not be in childcare after his first birthday), it’s crazy to think that they’re all doomed to a life of crime and dole-bludging.

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  30. Marg

    The state of overwhelm that Mia refers to really drives some people doesn’t it? It makes me feel kind of sick, that life is out of control and that I’m failing in all areas of my life. Anyone else feel like that?

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    • Tracey Groombridge

      Yes some days i do but these days i try to to sweat it too much and just enjoy the moments.

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    • anne

      I find the opposite of that even more frightening. If i actually managed to finish my to do list in a day I would think the world was about to end….it’s not always chaos but it is always high energy.

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  31. justvisiting

    I work 70-80 hours most weeks and I don’t feel like I need work/life balance. I still have lots of time for family, friends and hobbies – it just takes good planning and outsourcing (and getting up earlier).

    Agree its really quite an indulgent concept – plenty of unemployed or struggling people aren’t whining about achieving “balance” …

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    • Lila

      That’s amazing. Is that 10 hours a day, seven days a week?
      Do you cook and clean for yourself or have some help?

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      • justvisiting

        12-14 hours a day during the week and some time as needed on weekends. I have a cleaner and a brilliant PA. My partner (who often works similar hours) loves to cook but we do eat out a lot.

        I never want to post in these threads as there’s so much judgement hurled about – but I do think its terrible when women have to apologise for their careers and ambitions …

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  32. Anon for this

    It’s amazing how work/life balance is read work/PARENTING balance.

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    • Anonymous

      That is so true, I’m in my mid 20s and a professional. Not married, no kids.

      If I asked my employer if I could work four days a week because I was really into riding horses and wanted to dedicate my Fridays to that, I would probably be granted it, but with much questioning and astonishment.

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      • Marls

        An old colleague of mine did just that. Not to ride horses, but to ‘study and do a few other bits and pieces’. She went to 4 days. I think a 4 day week is probably doable in many office based professional occupations. The 20% drop in income is probably a big sacrifice for many.

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  33. Happily unbalanced

    I don’t have a work life balance but I don’t feel terrible. I work lots but I LOVE what I do lots. YAY for a post that celebrates those of us who are happily unbalanced.

    I didn’t have kids because I don’t want to give up work – same goes for my wonderful husband :)

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  34. Holly

    I have good work/life balance – working 3 days a week and being at home with my kids for 4 days a week. The only problem is, I don’t enjoy my job. It would be nice to love my job but that would involve moving out of my easy 3 day a week position, losing the extra time with my kids and probably working full time. I guess I’m just not that ambitious or I would have already done this!

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  35. anon

    I think its great when people truly manage the work/life balance. And when that happens its clear to see for everyone. Happy adults, happy kids, happy homelife, happy worklife.
    Its sad when the balance is clearly out of whack and the workaholic chooses not to see it. If you miss important events at your kids school continually its not working and for their sake something has to change. My kids had their school concert last week at night and I’m surprised by how many mums were arriving halfway through, having missed their childs class performance and then 2 women spent the rest of the concert on their phones on work calls. Thats not work life balance, thats parenting on the fringes of your career.

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  36. Lola

    I’m really happy for people who’ve found their passion. I haven’t yet. I fall into the camp of being a salaried employee who doesn’t see the point of working much past 5pm. I listened to a speaker yesterday who said it can be really draining if you’re not living your passion and I understand that now.
    I’m not a mum yet so for those parents who do work, I’d like to know – how do you get time to go to the school concerts, athletics carnivals and what do you do when they’re sick?

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    • Janie

      you may find your passion when you have kids – I did. After school, uni and work; I’d rather stay home with them any day. Not glam, not trendy, no praise or accolades, but lots of satisfaction. I’m making men – every step of the way.

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      • Kateateight

        Some people might say “but what are you going to do when they grow up?!”

        but, you know, people have something like an average of 5 careers in their lifetime, I think childrearing can be one of them, with plenty of time left for other careers later.

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        • oddsocks

          I love your comment, thanks so much! Next time someone questions me about my current career I will be telling them it is just one of many :)

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        • Lulu

          “plenty of time left for other careers later”

          Depends – on what you might want to do later, whether you’ve missed out on work experience, etc.

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          • The Tip Master

            oh negative nancy…

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  37. AmyKate

    Well said Mia. There are not enough people defending their careers. We do spend 13 years at school, then 3-5 at University to get qualified, then approx 5-8 to start making any money and then we just start to do well and we are just meant to happily give it all up because we have the boobs?
    I don’t have kids yet but run my own business and love my job and can’t imagine giving all that up for kids – my work life balance may be different from the next person but it’s mine, and if I’m happy with it why is there a problem?

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    • Sick-of-selfishness

      No we don’t give it up because we have boobs – it’s because we are mothers. It’s about the kind of love and devotion that you won’t know until you have children. Your happiness won’t mean a thing if your kids suffer.
      Wait until you have kids before you enter this debate

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      • anon

        I agree with you there. Nothing more selfish than a mother who wont stay at home with her baby because of her career but who boasts that she still breastfeeds. A babies emotional needs are as important as their physical.

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      • Lizi

        Not sure I love the ‘motherhood is the only kind of love and devotion worth contemplating’ tone of this response, nor do I think that mothers are the only women who should be having this discussion – or indeed the only people.

        Isn’t that part of the problem – that we see this as something mothers alone have to deal with, instead of spreading the ‘load’ to get support form other areas of the community?

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        • annoyed

          Another childless poster unable to understand the issues…… don’t let your lack of understanding get in the way of your opinion

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          • Lizi

            Ouch! I stand corrected. Whatever happened to polite discussion and attempting to understand other people’s viewpoints?

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            • Karen

              That’s like 5 drinks already in the “you obviously don’t understand because you don’t have kids” drinking game!

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        • Marls

          Like lizi, and I have children.
          I agree, work/life balance is not only an issue for parents

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      • AmyKate

        Again ‘sick-of-selfishness’ and ‘annoyed’, who is anyone else to say what is right for me and my (future) family? What’s to say I won’t be 100% committed as a mother just because I can’t be with them all the time. How do you know I am not going to be more ‘devoted’ to my children when I am with them than I would if I was with them 24/7? If I work out an arrangement that works for me and my baby(ies) and my career, what is the problem? Women need to get behind each other and support each others individuality and choices not throw stones at one-another in an effort to feel better about themselves or their own mothering guilt. As mothers yourselves, I would hope that this is the exact type of community where we support each other, offer advice, nurture future mothers etc. When you – online – jump down my throat (I wonder if you would say this to me in person if we were in fact, at a dinner party?) it only makes us not want to contribute or be part of the future conversation in these posts. I just don’t think it’s black or white in this discussion, or any regarding parenting. It’s naive to think my children would ‘suffer’ because I enjoy a career. Children in Africa starving are suffering. Not kids raised by loving working parents, grand-parents and friends.

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      • LauraS

        Then why aren’t fathers expected to give up their careers for their children?

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        • The Tip Master

          Speak for your own life. My other half was the stay at home dad with our first child….

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    • Anonymous

      I get you AmyKate. Ignore the mean comments. You don’t have to be with your kids 24/7 for them to turn out fine. I think kids benefit from having a happy mother who loves them, and that means something different for every family.

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      • Kateateight

        Maybe working mothers display better balance? Show their kids that women can be whatever they want to be, even if they have kids? Maybe it takes the pressure off the kids to know that their mums have something else besides them to put all their pent up energy into?

        Martyr mothers are the worst…so embarrassing to the rest of us mums…stop being so crazily obsessed!

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  38. Real mum 40

    What most mothers know but don’t want to admit is this: your children want you – not a nanny, not a daycare worker, not holiday camps but you.

    I’d love to work and progress my career, but I made the decision to have 2 children and it’s up to me to raise them , look after them and care for them.

    If you don’t have to work (to put food on the table) you shouldn’t. It’s selfish! If you want to be a high flier, don’t have kids.

    You can’t do it all – you can kid yourself that you can, but the cracks will show in your children. The guilt is there for a reason – listen to it.

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    • jess88

      I have to respectfully disagree, in this day and age why can’t a woman be more than just a mum? My mum had two kids but she also worked really hard to build her career. I don’t look back and wish she’d spent more time with us and I definitely don’t feel like I’m ‘cracked’ as a result of my upbringing. My mum is a very successfull woman who started out as a single mother working as a cleaner in a hospital, she wanted more, more for herself and more for us so she worked her ass off furthering her education and now she has a highly paid, highly successful job that she loves. As a result my brother and I are both driven by the knowledge that you can do whatever you want if you’re willing to put in the time and effort, we’re both very close to our mum and now that we’ve left home she has a career to focus on instead of feeling as though she doesn’t know her purposes anymore now she’s no longer raising children.

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    • Real Mum too - but just different to you

      Hi Real Mum – I admire you for your choice…but that’s exactly what it is, a CHOICE.

      My choice is to work full-time and have children (my 2-year-old is at home at the moment with his nanny, who he adores, and we consider part of our extended family). He also adores his mummy and his daddy, and is fortunate to have lots of people in his life who are all all focused on his wellbeing (i.e., his grandparents are also very involved in his care).

      Please don’t judge others for the choices that they make. I’m happy that your choice is working for you and your family. Good on you. But I’m also happy that my choice is working for me (even though I am overwhelmed at times as Mia says…but I’m sure you are too).

      So, I believe that you can have it all – it just depends on what your definition of ‘all’ is.

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    • KAren

      Real Mum 40 – so, are you a single mum? I hear no mention of dad (or other mum)….?

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      • Kris2040

        Sanctimommies and Martyrs so rarely mention a father, do they? Yet tell me I’m depriving my daughter by putting her in day care while I go to uni because it IS just me on the scene.

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        • catgirl

          Yet tell me I’m depriving my daughter by putting her in day care while I go to uni because it IS just me on the scene.

          You are a single mum, your daughter has only got you. Putting her into daycare while you go to Uni is the best thing that you can do for her. You have to work, you have to raise her, you are all she’s got. Her best chance at life is to have a mother in the workforce who earning enough to care for her properly and is also teaching her that you have to work to get money.

          For the record:
          I do not believe in subsidised childcare unless it is for single parents. A married couple have two incomes to contribute to paying for childcare, a single parent has only one so it should be heavily subsidised for people like you.

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          • Kris2040

            It is, but then I get told that I should be somehow feeling guilty for daycare? She loves it, I love the centre we go to, why the hell should I feel guilty? I love uni, I love the time where I’m just me.

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            • catgirl

              I really can’t respond to what you said just then. My own personal stance is that if it is at all possible you should stay at home and raise your own children, As I said in my own comments further down the thread I suffered through my mother working when she didn’t have to.

              Not all mothers are fortunate enough to be able to stay home, some mothers are single mothers like you, some mothers have to work to contribute to the family managing to keep their head above water.

              I had assumed that you were going to Uni so that you could get a degree and end up with a good job so that you could support your child. Your comment makes it sound that you are just doing it to get yourself some “me” time.

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            • Kris2040

              Why can’t I enjoy going to uni? Isn’t that what this whole article is about? Why can’t it be me time and working towards a degree for a decent job and life for both of us? I look forward to seeing her every day when I’m at uni, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t enjoy being there either. And I do and will continue to.

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            • anon

              I think the social outlet of uni for single parents is just as important as the education. Good on you Kris2040, you sound like a great mum :)

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  39. Trog

    I’ve been involved in a few start-ups myself.

    I think that owners/equity holders of businesses need to be careful to distinguish their motivation, which is essentially ‘I’m happy to sacrifice large swathes of my time in order to build something that I have a stake in’ versus salaried employees.

    I think that you can divide the salaried employees’ motivation into 2 broad camps:

    1. I am ambitious and am prepared to work long hours in order to further my career.

    2. I just want to bring home some bacon for my family, will do my job competently, but I don’t really see why I should work longer than normal hours when there’s not really much in it for me unless I’m paid for the overtime.

    There is room for all these types of motivation within a company but you want to be careful about assuming that salaried employees are happy to match an owner’s hours. There is simply less in it for them.

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    • Anonymous

      Disagree slightly. I fall into the “I want to further my career and do well, I am ambitious, but I don’t want to work 10+ hours a day to do so. I will do it when I need to, but not every day and if that means the rise to the top is slower than so be it”.

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  40. Dana M

    I always laugh when I hear stories of mums being upset when their baby starts to call their daycare carer “mum”.

    What do you expect?

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    • Katie

      Welll, naturally you would expect the selfish, horrible mother who dares to work to provide for her family or to have a career to laugh and not care about that situation, because clearly that mum hates her children and puts them into daycare to punish them. Also, you are a much better person than all working mothers, and laughing at another mothers upsetting situation is a really nice and compassionate thing to do, and you should be proud of doing so.

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  41. Hotspotty

    You all may love your jobs, but do your kids love your jobs?

    I’ve never heard a child sing the praises of absent parents.

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    • eternally

      You don’t think children can be proud of their parent’s achievements? Or, when older, understanding of the opportunities they were provided with?

      I’m sure Dr Fiona Wood’s children would have something to say on the issue.

      Also, I’m proud of my working (not absent) mum, and will sing her praises. So now you have heard it.

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      • jess88

        Same here, eternally. I will always sing the praises of my working mother. I appreciate that she worked hard to provide the best for my brother and I. I’d never say she was ‘absent’

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      • smug mum

        kids love their parents – they are not “proud” of their parents. You’ve got it reversed – parents become proud of their children.

        you may be “proud” now of your working mum, but I’ll bet when she was working you just wanted her there with you, like every other kid on the planet.

        How do you know about Fiona Wood’s children and what they think? IF we’re going to guess about people here’s mine: They probably can’t understand why their mum can wants to conduct life saving surgery on a total stranger but not change her own kid’s nappy

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        • jess88

          really? you really believe that kids cant be proud of their parents? Let me tell you, I am very, very proud of my mother with all shes achieved in her life and career. I can only hope that one day I’ll be half the career woman and mother that she is. to me, the thought of a child not being proud of their parents is a sad one.

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        • S

          Coincidently I DO know Fiona Wood’s children and they feel exactly the same things towards their mother as every child feels towards their mother – love and support.

          I’d also point out that they are now young adults and Fiona was around to change nappies and do those sorts of things when they were younger.

          I’d also point out – and here’s the kicker – that they also have a DAD!

          I’ve said it before, and I don’t say it to be dramatic, but reading Mama Mia has honestly made me think twice about having children. I’m petrified that, by association, I will accidentally turn into the type of mother and woman I don’t want to be (many of whom seem to frequent the comment sections of this site).

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        • Essie

          I went to school with her kids, and they are happy, well adjusted and compassionate. They were one of the happiest, most well balanced families I have ever met.

          I am not sure who you think you are to make such demeaning personal comments about somebody you don’t know, who has no bearing on the post above.

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    • anon

      My mum is now retired but regets terribly the amount of our childhood she missed while she was at work. We dont have fond memories of childhood either, just memories of being dragged out of bed in the school holidays and being ferried around on mums way to work. And we were always jealous of our friends whose mums picked them up from school.

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      • astro

        Well my mum was a stay at home mum and i never once remember her taking me to school. Ever.

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  42. Megs

    A long but excellent read – especially about ways in which work culture could and should change http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/07/why-women-still-can-8217-t-have-it-all/9020/

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  43. Tamara

    Sorry, but there are only 24 hours in a day.

    If you’re putting a 6 week old baby in full-time daycare (6am to 6pm, 5 days a week) You can’t possible be “balancing” a career with being a mother.

    Someone else IS raising your child.

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    • eternally

      What a ridiculous example! Just because that is theoretically possible, doesn’t mean it is common, or the standard way childcare is used. My centre advertises those parameters, but the youngest baby they have ever had is 3 months, and when I drop my daughter off (one day a week) at 8am, she is the first child there in the under two room, and one of the first in the centre.

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      • Tamara

        How is it a ridiculous example?

        Not for my area.

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    • Rose

      That depends on how you define ‘raising’ a child. Daycare workers are wonderful and they do provide the essential care a child needs throughout the day, but it’s ultimately the parents/guardians who teach the child values, beliefs, etc. Someone else may be helping them, but there’s nothing wrong with a teamwork approach to parenting – the child will end up in school eventually, where the teacher will assume some of that responsibility. We need to stop shaming working parents – I know lots and they are all loving, wonderful people who adore their children and want the best for them, just like anybody else.

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  44. Dkmum

    As per usual, such a controversial topic.
    Next year when I go back to work I will literally be working for my enjoyment. By the time I pay got child care I’ll have $50 left of my pay/week, yet I still want to keep working. I work 18 hours/week which is a perfect balance for me. It’s enough time for me to feel that I’ve still got a bit of brain matter left, it’s time to recover from the never ending chores of running a household and I think of it as a bit of me-time. The bonus is that I get to have long weekends every weekend where I can enjoy my kids.
    I feel so spoilt to have this option available to me and my kids. Back home there is no such option to work part time unless you apply for a new job, but mostly it wouldn’t be a viable option anyway. While you get 12 months paid maternity leave in Denmark, when that time is up you go back to work full time leaving your child in care for up to nine hours/day, and that’s the norm which is rarely questioned.

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  45. Sweetness

    I think that it’s important to realise that for the vast majority work is a part of life. A major part of life. It isn’t some separate thing. I am really lucky that I love my job-I teach special ed, and it is hard and loud and can be physical, and exhausting with long hours, but I love working with the kids I do. I usually do 10 hour days, and work on weekend and in my holidays-so it isn’t that I am working 9-3 (a total fallacy…-don’t become a teacher for balance)

    I have worked in jobs I have hated though, jobs where I dreaded getting up, jobs where I would cry on SUnday nights, jobs where I would grind my teeth in my sleep, and I never want to go back to that. Life is too short.

    I also feel that a lot of it is a mental thing. If you are around people who hate their job, it can become easy to also get into that mindset. Think about the positives.

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    • Daisy

      I worked in special ed for years too and it is hard work. I did however work part time for many years as I had 4 children and was happy with my work/ life balance. I could collect the children after school but work at night.
      I totally agree with you however, if you are talking full time and also about the place you are working. The working environment can ake ahuge difference!

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  46. puzzled

    I’m always a bit suspicious of people who say “I’m a workaholic but I still spend heaps of time with my kids”.

    How exactly does that work? Simple mathematics dictates that you’re being disingenuous about one or the other: either you’re not really working so much or you’re not really spending so much time with your kids.

    If you have such a busy worklife, Mia, how do you find time to spend so much time for your kids? I’m not saying you’re a bad mother, but I’m suggesting you’re not being entirely straight. I’m just really curious.

    I know because I have been there. I see my kids most of the weekend and about 3 hours a day during the week. I’d love to spend more time with them but I can’t if I am working. Please explain how you manage it!

    And don’t say, oh I work at home or oh I bring them to the office with me, because if you are spending time with them you aren’t working, regardless if they are in the workplace with you or you do your work from home.

    If you really are spending a lot of time with your kids then you must be working a lot less than other full time working parents, that’s all I can say.

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    • puzzled

      And why does it matter? Why does it matter if we’re being presented with a less than honest picture of life? Because we’re being sold a lie.

      This is a mummy blog, so brand Mia needs to be seen to be a great mother. But she also needs to be seen as the successful businesswoman.

      This whole spiel about “I work 24 seven but still find time for my kids” is no different to the celebrity mother who bounces back to shape after having a baby, or the airbrushed image on the magazine cover.

      It simply aint so, and it just makes women feel worse about themselves.

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    • Amandarose

      I be she is like me -work is fitted in around the kids and it is personal relax time that is out the window. I bet she waits until bed time after spending some time with the kids to get bac into it with an 8 til midnight shift.

      I work during the day but I do school pick up three days per week and I have a full day off with my son. But I still squash work not early mornings while they sleep, while they are at school/ preschool and after bed.

      I usually spend the weekend with them but again- after bed I work both nights. it kind of works for the kids but I am a bit frazzled trying to do everything

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  47. Detta

    Work/life balance is not necessarily 50/50. It is a magical ratio of flexibility that meets the needs of the individual.

    No one is entitled to judge a persons choice of ratio, whether it tilts pro work or pro family. That includes you Mia ;)

    An individuals work/life balance ratio is what that person needs/wants to achieve happiness.

    The ratio is ever changing, needs to be flexible, and takes into account quality and quantity of each side.

    Essentially it is the formula (ratio) for individual driven happiness. It should be a fundamental self-policy that you deserve to have. So you can deal with all the other crap that life flings at you!

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  48. Carly Findlay

    No comments on the article – but Mia – in that photo, your scarf and laptop cover match so well it is like you and your computer are one. An indication of your work / life balance ;)

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  49. ticklishcamel

    The search for that elusive life balance is always something I will strive for, but to be honest, I think if my life was miraculously balanced in every aspect I would freak out and throw it off balance again.

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  50. Jade

    Im in the very fortunate position of not needing to work for financial reasons BUT I still feel the need to get out there. Balance is hard. If I don’t work, I’m a pain in the ass. I have this thing (100% me) that I need my own cash. I just feel wrong buying Mr a birthday pressie or taking him out for a celebratory dinner with his money. I worked in one way shape or form from 15 to 30 so not having my $ is a super big adjustment I’ve not been able to do in my head.
    Also I think i Parent better and can see the big picture better if I’m not with my divine munchkins 24/7.
    So for these and a bazillion other reasons I choose to work. But balance aghhhhh
    Last 6mths I’ve taught higher ed. Unsuccessfully as it was just too much. I missed my kids, they missed me and Mr has a super demanding job so it just put too much pressure on us all. So now I’m looking for that job that keeps my mind busy, gives me some $ of my own and find that elusive balance.
    But given I still work whilst I don’t ‘need’ to I know that should an extra million appear in the bank it wouldn’t change a thing, other than my outfits when I go for interviews :)

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