There are few winners in the game of accidental pregnancy. According to Marie Stopes International, as many as half of pregnancies in Australia are unplanned. Of these, around twenty per cent end in miscarriage.
And like anything, they’re just numbers until you’re staring right at them. Our first reaction to the positive test was to burst into laughter. Maybe it was shock, or maybe we were just jerks like that. And then the crying started. Victoria Falls poured forth from my face.
The relationship was green, to say the least. I was fresh out of a marriage and had two tiny children to love and protect. He was fresh out of his mother’s womb. We lived in different worlds. Worlds where I had children and he didn’t. Ever.
At first, we talked like adults. We both knew what the options were and we flopped them all onto the table and moved them around a bit, humming and hawing. The years I had spent purporting my right to choose shouted in my ear, but I had, against all rationality, already attached myself firmly to a bunch of cells.
“I don’t want to have an abortion,” I said. “I don’t want to have a child,” he said. We stared at each other for a few minutes before trying again: “I don’t want to have an abortion.” “I don’t want to have a child.”
I found the process increasingly frustrating and tried using a louder voice: “I don’t want to have an abortion.”
“I don’t want to have a child.”
I wondered if changing the emphasis could change his response: “I don’t want to have an abortion.”
“I don’t want to have a child.”
For weeks afterward, we spent our time glaring at each other. I said things like, “I made you this lasagne,” but what I meant was, “I hope you fall in a sinkhole, you masochist.” He said things like, “Do you want to see a movie?” but what he meant was, “If you force fatherhood upon me I will call up the very fires of hell to inflict oceans of pain upon you.”
Sometimes I invited him over just so he could see how good I was at frowning. Often he wouldn’t glance up from his laptop.
It was a stalemate of truly epic proportions. Every time we spoke it was with an acrid tongue. Every day I came up with compelling new reasons not to abort the pregnancy. Every night I cried until I was too exhausted to stay awake another moment. Every morning waves of nausea reminded me to fight the good fight.
In late October we sat in his garden, in a brief moment of civility. “What do you want for your birthday?” he asked. I started to say ‘a baby’, but I saw the dark circles under his eyes and stopped. The life had drained from his body. We were both exhausted. I couldn’t remember if I’d been to work. Did we even eat anymore? What day was it?
“A holiday,” I said instead.
It was unseasonably cold at Phillip Island. He had booked a gorgeous apartment overlooking the water, and when the rain started to come in under our balcony we breathed its freshness until the colour came back into our faces. We drove out to The Nobbies and ten thousand seagulls dive bombed us in the cool afternoon. We stood at the edge of the world and wrapped ourselves around each other. Eventually, we laughed.
In the cover of darkness he slipped out for a walk, but came back with treasure.
“I told the kitchen you were pregnant and couldn’t go on without this chocolate mousse.”
That night he slept with his hand resting on my belly.
I felt the cramping start in the car as we drove home. “I need a toilet break,” I said, and found an angry red artwork in my undies.
It doesn’t mean anything. People bleed all the time.
Two days later, the pain started. “I think we should go to the hospital.” My uterus twisted and burned.
The ultrasound tech was very nice. She smiled and made light conversation as she went about her business. She took measurements and pointed at blurry white noise. But nothing on the screen moved or flickered. He knew; he took my hand and squeezed it until my fingernails popped right off. The room began to feel very small.
“I’m sorry,” she said, and I couldn’t hear her through the wave of tears but I saw her mouth moving: “your baby has died.” I felt his body shaking, a sort of hysterical laughter at the cruelest kind of joke.
After that, there was nothing to fight for. We barely looked at each other. He told me I cried in my sleep. I told him I had a dead baby in me, so it was probably fair enough.
A week later I miscarried in a friend’s bathroom. It was over. I didn’t have an abortion, and he didn’t have a child. We had both won.
Right?
Anna is the Digital Producer for Australia’s longest running TV show. She blogs here and you can find her on Twitter at @annaspargoryan.







Comments
153 Comments so far
Thank you for sharing, you made me cry… In this period I cry often. Because:
…Had a similar story in the same period of yours. I’m 27 and I’ve been together with my bf for 8 years. When we found out I was pregnant (accidentally), my 28yr-old bf got really upset. And during the next weeks he still couldn’t accept the situation. He cried… Idea of abortion. He saw everything in black colors. …After couple of weeks he was ready to make sacrifice, stay with me and keep the baby. But he was not happy. And my heart was crying for him. … And then it came, the gynecologist said that it was a non-evolutive pregnancy. …And then I had to wait for two weeks until I miscarried… …Natural selection? Had to go this way. No?
… Now the problem is, that I’m not able to see my bf as I saw him before. I don’t love him as I did before. I wanted that baby so much. He instead still doesn’t want to have a baby, and doesn’t have any ideas when he will be ready for making a family. My feelings are vanishing day by day. I don’t know what to do. I was so sure about him, loved him so much. We had so good relation-ship. After this experience, everything is changed.. Gotta move on.
Ps. We are an Estonian-Italian mixed couple living in Italy.
loading...
…I add myself some lines…
I knew in the beginning of my pregnancy that during the 9 months he would get used to the idea, even if the pregnancy wasn’t planned and he wasn’t mentally/economically prepared (he is in the beginning of his career and here in Italy there is crisis). I was ready, because I know that there is always a way. You can grow together – you and the baby. Me and my bf are together since so much time that I just know him throughly. He would have been a wonderful father. Caring, present and warm. He is just too insicure…. Now. … But the time we were given was just too short. The memories what I have of the time of my pregnancy are not nice. Even more, as everything happened so early, we preferred to keep the “news” to our-selves. We wanted at least to hear the babies heart beat before telling our parents and friends (he always, always accompanied me to the gynecologyst). ….And now, I still have only him to claim with, because I haven’t shared the real problems with anyone. I put him under horrible pressure because in a way I still hope that the feelings will come back. About my difficulties with my bf I can tell YOU, but not to my parents/his parents/our friends. Maybe we still can resolve our things… I don’t want our dear-ones to know about his fears and difficulties… Right now I’ve come to the point where I’m not even able to make love with him because making love reminds me the baby (we had started to call it “gamberetto”=shrimp). Last time I ended up in tears…
Even more. After the miscarriage my gynecologist saw two big ovarian cysts, that give me menopausal symptoms, hormonal level is typical to menopause (nice to know! Hope it’s just that!). And I’m cureing it with contraceptive pills. Hope the cysts are vanishing by now…
Every time I see a young happy family I get sad for myself… For us. …It’s the beginning of June. It would be 4 full months since the conceivement now. So few time has passed, but this period seems sooooo looooong.
Ps. Only for the strong-ones. I miscarried in the toilet at work. The amniotic sac, 2-3 cm long, was still entire, just as you can see in the pictures. Had to help it come out from my vagina, because of-course it had all kinds of fibres around it… It was another emotionally very… …Yeah, I can’t find the right word to describe what I felt then. Tears. Again.
loading...
What a sad situation. You now have to decide whether you want to stay with him, or end it and try to find someone who wants a family. That’s not to mention your problem with your hormones.
loading...
I know… Thank you. …Let’s see, time will give the unswer. I must not make so important decisions too fast. He loves me a lot. He always has. I don’t think I’d be able to fall in love with another guy, not in the next couple of years at least. And believe in him enough to want to create a family with him. So the next future is gray anyways. With or without him… Will see, we are discussing and discussing and discussing… Maybe we still can get through it together…
And of-course, ironically different strong things happen exactly at the same time. It’s about my closest collegue, a young italian woman (31yrs old). A week after I found out I was pregnant, she got the results of the analyses that her bf (same age), with whom she has been for 11 years (!), has a metastasis of the melanoma that had been removed 2 years ago. This young guy might dye soon, maybe in the next months, certainly in the next very few years. They don’t have children…. And their story makes me think even twice if not 3 times if leaving my bf now is the most right thing to do… Compared to their problems our situation seems a no-problem. But… But it is.
loading...
Pingback: Pozible: when I ask you for money but in a nice way | anna spargo-ryan
Was that your first pregnancy by him?
loading...
Oh wow. What a story. You have moved me to tears…
xx
loading...
sometimes nobody wins; it just sucks. Hope you find comfort xox
loading...
Wow. Powerful story. I’m so sorry you went through this, and to suffer so much loss after what’s already a difficult decision. Thanks for sharing. But, having read your blog, I will resist the urge to call you brave. Even though I think you are.
loading...
Oh darling
loading...
so does the stress of dealing with an unexpected pregnancy increase the chances of miscarriage? Is that what those stats infer? Or is it 20% miscarriage rate across the board?
loading...
They’re approximately 20 per cent for all pregnancies.
loading...
Tears.
Thank you.
loading...
I have had 4 confirmed pregnancies that all ended in miscarriage (5.5 to 10.5 weeks) and 1 unconfirmed pregnancy that also ended in miscarriage. I am 37 years old and my husband is 36. We have both had chromosomal testing and all appears normal. I’ve also had blood tests for Factor V Leiden, antiphospholipid antibodies, Lupus and some others that I can’t remember. I have suffered terribly from depression because of these losses and am devastated to think that I will never be able to have a baby. My husband is only now coming to terms with the pregnancy losses himself and is suffering from depression which he is on medication for.
People underestimate how deeply the loss of an unborn baby affects us, they think we should just get over it within a certain time frame. I find it incredibly difficult to get excited when someone else announces that they are expecting a baby and I’ve been accused of “stealing people’s happiness away” because I didn’t jump up and down with joy and congratulate them straight away. I don’t like feeling this way but it is just how I have been affected, I didn’t choose for this to happen to me and I wonder what I did to deserve it while silly young teenage girls are blessed with children they don’t care about (not all of them, just some.)
I ache for the children I should have been able to hold.
loading...
I’m so sorry to hear that, Belinda. Wishing you all the best and hopefully, a baby in 2012.
I don’t want to sound awful, as you’ve probably exhausted every possible avenue, but acupuncture worked really well for me – definitely worth a try, if you haven’t gone there yet.
loading...
Thank you Anonymous. Yes, I’ve tried acupuncture, and while it didn’t help me to conceive it did help with my cycles (I have PCOS and Endometriosis). I hope to be able to afford more acupuncture soon as part of my TTC plan xo
loading...
You have coped with such a lot Belinda. I am not sure whether this is unhelpful to tell you, but taking a chance here. At 39 I had healthy twins with a pregnancy I carried to term after many years of trying that included 3 confirmed (and 1 suspected) miscarriages. I did nothing to deserve that grief, and neither have you. I hope you have a child to hold very soon.
loading...
Hi Jay, thank you. It is a dream of mine to have twins too! I sincerely hope my time is soon xo
loading...
I’m 19 and I have a child who wasn’t planed but has tuned out to be a blessing and a gift. I’m not to argue or even try take your final statement about teen parents as I agree totally. I find it disgusting how girls plan pregnancies at 16, leave school and live off the government. But that’s not my point.
At twenty one weeks- I think it was, I had the ultrasound to find out if the baby had downsyndrome and the sex. Waiting patiently, the lady beside me friendaly asked how far along I was. I replied ” twenty one weeks, how about yourself?” I could tell she was years older than myself and was shocked she would speak to me. “Twelve almost, glad to be heading into our second trimester! This is our third baby, so all we can hope for is it’s health.” Not immediately understanding what she meant I ignorantly asked how old her children were. She explained they would have been two and one. My stomach turned, I wished her the best of luck as she was called to go in. I waited, eventually I was called myself. I was both scared and shocked to find out I was 25 weeks and having a little boy. I took my prints of our baby and walked out to pay for my ultrasound. Shortly after paying, the lady I spoke to before was crying! These were not tears of joy, she was pale and looked lost. My heart broke for her, my whole body went numb and as I walked to my car I felt so surprised. Why has god blessed me and not that women. She would have been a great mother, I’m sure she would have. I looked into donating my eggs, and aside from the fact I plan to have another child one day, I’m more than happy to go through with it.
I am so thankful for my beautiful boy whom is now 9 months old and being a total terror. But all I have to do to handle it, is to remember how I’m one of the lucky ones. I get to be a mother and although, once upon a time I thought id never suit motherhood.
You are so strong, and always remember, even though you’re babies aren’t in your arms you are still the only mother they will ever know and they love you.
loading...
Zoe, thank you. I cried when I read your comment, especially the last part about being the only mother these angel babies will ever know and that they love me. I like to think that they will always be around me in spirit even if I can never hold them in my arms.
loading...
I’m so sorry for your losses Belinda. I pray that you and your husband conceive soon and your pregnancy is healthy and happy.
You both have been through so much, you both deserve a holiday to recharge x
loading...
My heart aches for you reading your comment. I am so very sorry for your losses. The pain must be unbearable.
I sometimes find myself reading about women’s health/fertility/wellbeing etc and one of the things I recently read mentioned vitamin B12 injections and taking CoQ10 – helping one lady with her infertility. You’ve probably already tried that and/or that may not work for you. I hope me suggesting it doesn’t patronise you.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck for the coming years and I really hope you are able to have a child someday. xxxxx
loading...
My heart goes out to all of the women that have had to endure the heartbreak of a miscarriage! I am one of the extremely lucky ones, my story defies all the odds. Five months into a relationship with a man who was going through a nasty divorce and who already had three children I at the age of 41 found myself pregnant! I had never been pregnant before and was shocked and amazed at how easily I got pregnant! The father of the baby wanted me to have an abortion , I was adamant that was not an option for me. We went our separate ways , those first three months of my pregnancy where the hardest three months of my life. On one hand I couldn’t believe how lucky I was, (I had always wanted more than anything to be a mother) , but on the other hand I was so shocked and hurt by the baby’s father reaction. I had my my first screening , the results were fantastic given my age. The second screening was again positive and the reality that I just might become a mother finally hit. My baby continued to grow inside me without any complications. With the amazing support from my friends and family I made it through my pregnancy. At 38 and a half weeks , my ob wanted to induce me due to a lack of fluid around the baby. With my best friend by my side I gave birth to my healthy son and the age of 42. He is now 10 months old , he is the love of my life. He is healthy and happy and I have no doubt he is meant to be on this earth! There is not a day that goes by that I don’t thank ‘ the powers to be’ for my little miracle, I am truly blessed. The baby’s father now see’s our son and we are friends. To all of you out there wanting a child , don’t give up hope , miracles DO happen.
loading...
Women use pregnancy to keep a man. Unfortunately a pregnancy does not get you the man.
loading...
i don’t want to overstate it but there is possibly a mass generalisation or two there.
loading...
Obviously you think that pregnancy is all about men.
Leave if you want, you immature selfish scumbags! Life’s not all about you ya know! (Disclaimer: ‘immature selfish scumbags’ obviously does not refer to all men, just the immature selfish scummy ones who think women are trying to catch or trap them by getting pregnant.)
loading...
Its niaive to think that some women arent capable of this. When she promises shes on the pill and shes not I dont know what a guy is to do. Unfortunately some women arent innocent in this regard. I know a woman who did exactly that, and while it was to escape a sad rather dysfunctional home life, it still happened and she was lucky the man she chose stood by them and supported them. And I do feel really sorry for the guy because he had no clue what was about to hit him when they met her. It was planned and she did talk about it. And she repeated history by doing exactly as hermother did before her, leave him without warning when she met someone more exciting.
loading...
r.e. men not wanting to have their partner get pregnant
1. TALK About it with them. I think everyone should have frank discussions with their partner about things like pregnancy and abortion. I fyou can’t have this talk – you shouldn’t be having sex. Let your partner know how strongly you feel about it and that if she does get pregnant, you won’t necessarily stay with her. Let her know exactly how you feel. COMMUNICATE
2. If you are adamant – use condoms. Protect yourself.
3. Don’t stay with women who you don’t implicitly TRUST. Don’t sleep with women you dont’ trust
loading...
And Victoria plenty of desperate women do it. How very sad I feel for the man, trapped by telling the bloke they are on the pill when in fact they are not.
loading...
Oh come on seriously? Surely it would be in the best interests of both parties if a condom was used despite the promise of the pill………..A baby would be the least of your problems with someone so dishonest and desperate! Poor helpless man had no choices at all? Grow up!
loading...
Massive generalization! She is entitled to feel the way she wants and if she doesn’t want to have an abortion, that has nothing to do with wanting to keep the man!
loading...
Urgh…you’d be kicked outta my dinner party pronto if you said that !!
loading...
I was accused of that. I know of people who have done it, but I made the decision to keep the baby and go it alone, and if he wants to be around, that’s good for him, but if not, it’s his bad luck. So far, it’s his loss.
loading...
I think this is where communication plays a big part. The topic of children needs to be discussed right from the beginning and during the relationship. Both parties need to know where they stand. In my case I have never wanted natural children, and should I have fallen pregnant I would have had an abortion, no matter what the father wanted. My partners were aware of this right from the start of our relationship. I also believe that if a women decides to have a baby against the wishes of the father, then the father should have absolutely no involvement in that child life nor should they have to sport that child financially.
loading...
Why? Everyone knows that by having sex there is a risk of a child. What about the baby who has no involvement of their father or financial support? Two people make a child so they both have responsibility to take care of it.
loading...
I agree with Bea – only in the case where both parents have previously discussed and agreed that they would get an abortion if there was ever an ‘accident’.
loading...
This is so well written. and so sad
loading...
I fell pregnant unexpectedly with my second child. My marriage was not in great shape, and my husband was not happy about the baby. I remember breaking the news to him on the phone (he was travelling interstate at the time) and I remember him saying “congratulations”, which just sounded so detached – it’s something you say to someone else, not when it’s your own baby.
He never asked me to have an abortion, but was a complete asshat about the pregnancy eg demanding that I should still lose 1kg of weight per week during the first trimester since I was too fat (an ongoing gripe of his). I remember him yelling at me about something stupid and then telling me I was going to have to find another father for the baby. About half an hour later I started cramping and bleeding. It was too early for a heart beat to be detected, so I had to get blood tests done a week apart to check if my pregnancy hormone levels were still rising to know whether or not I had miscarried. It was one of the worst weeks of my life.
Thankfully I didn’t lose the baby, and he is now the most gorgeous 4 year old. The near miscarriage scared my husband and he felt very guilty and he curbed his behaviour after that, though he was still largely unsupportive.
My husband now dotes on our son, and is very happy that we had him. There is no doubt that keeping him was the right thing to do. Unfortunately our marriage did not survive and we are in the process of separation.
loading...
I’m so sorry to read about all the horrible miscarriages that happen
so sad. I fell pregnant at the age of 18 to my boyfriend of 4 months. Abortion did not ever cross mine or his mind luckily and we are still together 3 years later with our 2 year old son who is our world. I am currently 7 weeks pregnant with our second and have a high risk of miscarrying. Crossing everything this baby sticks.
loading...
This is a very sad story with no winners.
I wanted to raise the topic of birth control though. If you really really don’t want to get pregnant then why not take steps to prevent this? Something like Implanon or and IUD has a fail rate of less than 0.02% – so why don’t people use these methods if they know that a pregnancy would cause such heartache? I’m not trying to stir up trouble, it’s a genuine question. I know that the pill can be affected by antibiotics and sickness etc so if you absolutely don’t want to fall pregnant then choose a method with a miniscule failure rate.
loading...
Implanon doesn’t suit a lot of women- I had a friend who got very nasty mood swings, almost continual bleeding etc. IUDs are only recommended for women who already have children and there is an increased risk of infertility, which can make it a scary prospect if you do want more children, or you are ‘ undecided’ about having more.
Personally, I was on depo provera at the time I fell pregnant.
You could also turn it around and ask why if men are so adamant they don’t want to be parents why they weren’t wearing condoms or getting vasectomies ?
loading...
I couldn’t tolerate Implanon either. I absolutely agree that if the man doesn’t want to be a father he should have been taking extra precautions too. I think that with so many contraceptives available to us these days that people who really don’t want to fall pregnant shouldn’t. Although there is of course a failure rate with contraceptives but it is minute if you used a couple of methods.
loading...
Yeah, I was using the Nuva Ring. I’m not a good candidate for long term hormonal contraception either – I did the skip the sugar pills and it was NOT good for me at all. So same, no pills to forget. That was actually a big part of me keeping KDot – I figured it was meant to be if it got through the contraception.
I have one friend I can think of off the top of my head who has a second daughter thanks to depo or implanon – she was using one of those at the time, and like you and I that little sucker got through.
I said to KDot’s father when I told him and he demanded an abortion that I couldn’t recall him ever busting out condoms, I was holding up my side and it had been working fine!
loading...
Zeli, this is entirely my point of view and certainly may not apply to anyone else.
I’m in my 40′s and single after a marriage or two failed. I have children from both marriages and love those children dearly.
You could say that I have my heir and a spare, so why would I want more? The answer is that I don’t really want any more children. However, given the large amount of single, 40 odd year old women who don’t have kids there’s a reasonable chance that I could meet one of them and do the whole love thing over again. If it happens that I do go all silly for a woman who wants kids, there’s no way I’d deny a woman the opportunity to have children. So if it came to it, I’;d quite happily become a father again. Hence, no vasectomy. As for condoms, what’s the point of having sex if you can’t feel anything?
loading...
Hi Shane I get all of that, but if you choose not to use condoms then you are equally responsible if an accidental pregnancy occurs. Women are not responsible for contraception, both people in the relationship are. It takes two to tango as the old saying goes…
loading...
It does take two, and what a lot of blokes don’t understand is that the decision to use, or not use contraception cpould be the last decision they get. Once conception takes place, the bloke is a passenger. If the woman decides to terminate a pregnancy, the bloke cannot stop her, if she decides to have the baby, then he really can’t make that decision either, all he can do is pay for the next 18 years.
loading...
“what a lot of blokes don’t understand is that the decision to use, or not use contraception cpould be the last decision they get. Once conception takes place, the bloke is a passenger.”
I LOVE This, and i think we shoudl be telling this to our sons.
loading...
Actaully Zeli, both women and men are responsible for contraception. Women shouldn’t abrogate their own responsibilities any more than a bloke should.
loading...
That’s why I wrote ” both people in the relationship are ( responsible for contraception ).”
loading...
Brilliant!!! why not indeed!!! I had a friend that abused me for de sexing my male cat as it was “taking away his manhood” no probs with female cat de-sexing. Obviously cats are not humans just very interesting….to me.
loading...
Hi ClaireC.
People need to be a bit wary when reading of failure rates for contraceptive pills and devices. The failure rate given by manufacturers is a rate that is across a general population and under ideal conditions. The rate may actually be quite different, though how much different is hard to ascertain, for each individual person in their particular individual circumstances from day to day and month to month. This is why women still fall pregnant despite taking every possible precaution not to.
The 0.02% failure rate is per 100 people in the population but like all statistics, the variables influence the failure rate to degrees which are not really easy to quote so they are not quoted. The failure rate is usually termed the general failure rate of this pill is …. or the failure rate in a general population is… or words to that effect.
loading...
Also, I think some people don’t consider the failure rate at all, and have taken the condoms = safe sex message a bit too literally. They are a way of having safer sex, and are of course not 100% effective at preventing either STIs or pregnancy.
loading...
Yes, I realise that the failure rates have two different sets of stats. But the failure rate per head of population is .02% for implanon, as is the manufacturers rate. I realise that with things like the pill it relies on human intervention and other factors so the ‘perfect scenario’ failure rate and the actual failure rate is quite different.
loading...
I’m so sorry that is very sad. It is horrible and difficult when 2 people are thrown into a situation and both want a completely different outcome.
loading...
that is really sad, very sorry to hear of your experience
loading...
After a large and nearly grown-up family, I found myself pregnant with a surprise baby. Husband wanted me to terminate as he was ready to make good his escape and he thought I had tried to trap him with a baby. Any mother who has already spent 20 years parenting knows that would be the last thing on your list of ‘ways I can think of to keep a complete tool in my life.’ Anyway, long story short, baby was born perfect and pink and I immersed myself in her infancy and toddlerhood because I knew first hand how quickly those years pass and how precious they are. Husband took off when she was a baby and has nothing to do with her or the older children and I’m happy as a pig in mud. If I had been pressured into terminating I, my family and the world would be a much poorer place for her not being here. Having said that, it’s not easy to adjust your life to accommodate an unexpected arrival but you do adjust and finally just accept.
To me the decision to proceed with a pregnancy or to terminate is 100% the woman’s decision. A woman should NEVER have an abortion because the father wants her to. NEVER. Having said that, I think that if you proceed with the pregnancy against his wishes then maybe (?) he is entitled to abdicate financial responsibility (still thinking that through!)
Beautiful article, Anna. All the very best x
loading...
This story really resonated with me. At 22 I unexpectedly fell pregnant to my husband of four years. He wasn’t ‘ ready to be a father’ and despite my firmly pro choice stance, and my assumption that I would not go through an unwanted pregnancy I surprised us both by turning out to want the baby. I felt instantly protective of her, and although the timeing wasnt great I knew I had the capacity to to love and support this child. I expected that my husband would get used to the idea, and we would raise the baby together. He left two weeks before she was born. Leaving me a single parent just shy of my 23rd birthday. I sent him divorce papers 6 months later.
I didn’t see or hear from my ex husband until my daughter was two. In that time, I had met my ( now ) husband, finished my military training, started my 3rd degree and had moved interstate. My ex had not seen his daughter nor paid a cent in child support.
When my daughter was three he pursued custody/ acess through the family courts and eventually we came to agreement.
Fast forward 3 years and yesterday three
people who love her very much ( my self, my husband and my ex) stood together and
watched her running in her sports carnival all
three of us clapped and cheered for her as
she made it into the top 10 to go to the
regional cross country, all bursting with pride our little girl.
Even though my ex didn’t want her to begin with, and there have been some hard years
and growing up to do to get here, he will be
the first to admit that I was right, and
yesterday even had the maturity to tell me
that I was right to make the decision I did
seven years ago.
I think a much loved and wanted little girl is a win/ win situation
loading...
Gorgeous story Zelicat, great outcome.
loading...
Ohhh! Gorgeous story! Good for you all!
loading...
A nice story to come from something that could have been diabolical. Best wishes to all of you.
loading...
At times it has been truly diabolical – there is no friendship between my ex and I at all, but we are totally civil to each other at all times. For a long time my ex blamed me for everything that was wrong in his life. He resented my husband for the place he has in our daughters life, but couldn’t see the irony that my husband was willing to take on the responsibility, support ( both financial and emotional ) that my ex had walked away from, and that the closeness of their relationship was a direct result of years of parenting by her (step) father.
It has taken a real detachment from ego and the acknowledgement that love is not a finite quality and the realization that the more people who love and care for our girl the better.
My ex still does stupid things, and he can be unreliable, but I have confidence that she has been given such a stable and loving home with my husband and I that little things like her dad turning up late, or changing plans at the last minute don’t bother her.
It’s not perfect, but it is good enough.
loading...
At least you can truly know that you took the high road, for letting him back into your daughter’s life even though things on his part could be better still. That takes a much bigger person who doesn’t think of just right now but thinks of the bigger picture. I had a huge falling out with my family (which really wasn’t my fault at all) and my parents had no contact with us or my son for 3 years, I got pregnant in that 3 years and although my parents lived ACROSS THE ROAD they never cared to say anything to me…I gave birth to their second grandchild & I was the one to call them 2 weeks after he was born to say ‘uhh, you have another grandson and he’s fine by the way?!’ I was trying to not be pissy about it but that was very hard at that point! The point of the story though is that I was at home with my beautiful 2 week old baby and my older son & I never wanted to be asked where their ‘other grandparents’ were and why they didn’t see them. I didn’t want to tell them that I could have done something but I chose to not bother, I took the high road for their sake and I don’t regret it. They see our boys weekly and love them to bits, I would have hated to deprive my boys of that
loading...
I always told myself that one day I would have to look my teenage daughter in the eye and tell her what had happened and explain my decisions to her… I needed to know I was making the best decision I could for her, because one day I would have to explain myself, and be accountable for the impact decisions I made on her life.
loading...
It’s a hard path to walk being the mum of children whose dad is not really interested in them. You did good zelicat and I applaud you. Your little girl will know how important she is in this world and that’s what you really want for her.
loading...
My gut feeling is that we’ll end up with an OK outcome, too, Zeli. Nothing now (just been at court this week about it), and I don’t think I’ll be real popular for a while, but I truly believe it’s going be OK. Not amazingly awesome, but OK.
loading...
Good luck with it Kris. My three have turned out OK mostly and sometimes just plain wonderful. I tend to think each child has a “situation” of some kind to deal with so our kids are pretty much on par with all the other kids. It’s what we do as their mums that can help them or not help them and you sound like you know what to do for KDot. More power to you!
loading...
Sometimes life is just too sad and nothing really makes up for that piece of sadness. So sorry you lost your baby.
loading...
I am so so sorry.
loading...
Heart breaking story that I somehow manage to relate to in different ways.
Nine years ago I was in a relationship that was about a year old.I didnt want that relationship anymore and had started seeing someone else(deemed the love of my life) as I ended it.Then I found out I was pregnant.By the given the time frame I didnt have to guess who the father was.
I was devastated and knew I had to tell both men.The love of my life wanted me to abort the child so we could go on.I did not want an abortion(I had an abortion in my teens) but did not want the other mans baby.I also had 3 children from my estranged marriage to consider.One of those children has a severe disability and needed my constant attention as it was.
After much consideration I made the choice to tell the babys
father.In my case,he was completely over the moon and willing to support me with whatever it took.
The love of my life ended the relationship with me.At that point I began to rely heavily on the baby’s father.We were wonderful friends and he loved me.His father became excited about the prospect of his first grandchild and paid a deposit on a house for us.I had myself backed into a corner.Eventually,I started having new feelings for the baby’s father.
My first born daughter was the apple of our eye.Cemented our relationship.Six months after she was born we were married.
Two and a half years later I had another daughter.After she was born we decided to try and conceive a 3rd(my 6th) and final family member.I had never had trouble falling pregnant so I was devastated to have a miscarriage at 8 weeks in July 2008.I had another miscarriage at 10 weeks in November 2008.The second miscarriage had such an effect on me that we decided to not try for another baby and count our blessings.
After a year and a half off the pill and 2 miscarriages it looked like things were not meant to be.
I was expecting a normal cycle post miscarriage.It didn’t happen and I started having tingly breasts and nausea.I thought they were signs from the failed pregnancy but also knew the levels in my blood had dropped sharply so I wasnt pregnant anymore.
A week prior to Christmas in 2008 I done a pregnancy test.I threw it in the bin after the 3 minutes as there was no 2nd line. Something made me pull it back out after 10.The 2nd line was there but very faint.
I told my husband and we decided to test again on Christmas day.It was quite a shock after the 3 minutes to see that second line and both of us weren’t able to be even a little bit excited.
To cut a long story short my daughter was born at the end of August 2009 on her exact due date.I call her my miracle baby.
I don’t even know what the chances are of falling pregnant directly after a miscarriage at the age I was and it being a successful pregnancy.But there is living proof and shes just adorable!
I never thought an unwanted pregnancy would change my life so much but it has and has given me the most supportive man and father and step father to my other children.
loading...
Wow what an amazing story! Funny where life takes us.
loading...
Your story echoed the stalemate I had with my husband. I accidentally fell pregnant with our third child after a weekend away to Melbourne. I was working full time, part way through my masters and our life was just returning to normal. I knew in my heart that I could never abort the pregnancy and my husband felt that he could not cope with a third child. When I came home from work there was a 2 page list of all the reasons not to continue. Even if I went to the clinic for him, I knew that it would never forgive him. Lots of tears, no talking or sleeping but I had to follow my true self and say no. It was a huge risk and we did not talk for months and life was hell. Over the length of the pregnancy he began to change his mind and was present at the birth. The funny thing is that this child is the spitting image of him and has brought so much sunshine and happiness into our lives. I couldn’t imagine life without him. It was the most difficult decision I have ever made; my marriage or the baby but I knew I only had one choice. It did however ensure that he had a vasectomy so this would never happen again.
loading...
That’s why pregnancies last 10 months, so Fathers can get used to the idea.
loading...
if by 10 you mean 9…..
loading...
40 weeks = 10 months .
loading...
But not all months have 4 weeks. Quite a few have 5 weeks. So it wouldnt be 10 months – which is why it is commonly accepted that pregnancy takes 9 months.
loading...
It’s closer to 10 months than 9.
loading...
13 weeks = 3 months. every second month has 5 weeks.
1 month = 4.33 weeks
So, 40 weeks = 9.23 months.
Just sayin
loading...
Ok, I’ll only do this once.
Let’s say a woman finds at the end of this month that she’s pregnant. The date of her last period is today, April 2 1012.
Therefore the baby is due in 40 weeks from today, so the baby will be born on 7 January 2013.
Go away and add up the months.
loading...
I know you probably didn’t mean anything by that comment but i found myself surprisingly offended. I get this post is all ‘men are bad!’ but so many men love children and cannot wait to be a parent. It’s so unfair to them to say things like this.
loading...
It was’t meant to be offensive, I was thinking about my own children. When the pregnancies were confirmed I was full of trepidation, but by the time they were born I couldn’t think of anything better. Many men are unsure of themselves about being fathers, they worry about supporting their family, about being good dads etc. so please don’t be offended, the comment was about how men (generally) cope with the prospect of fatherhood.
loading...
I think women need those months to adjust too….
loading...
After my daughter died from SIDS I fell pregnant very quickly. We were by no means ready for another child, it was heartbreaking.
Abortion never came up in conversation, but my partner (now ex husband) did say he didnt want another baby.
2 weeks later I miscarried and he blamed himself. He thought he willed the baby to die. He carried a lot of guilt over that for a long time.
I fell pregnant again a month later, we were more prepared for it that time, only to get a ver bad case of the flu which ended baby’s life. I felt guilty that time.
After the 2nd miscarriage I had a talk with the Ob at the hospital. He told me that in the case of my first miscarriage they believe that the body will stop you from having a baby in times of major stress, that there are eggs that arent properly developed that the body releases at those times to ensure that the mother doesnt have a baby she isnt able to have. I wasnt emotionally ready for that baby, but it still holds a dear place in my heart.
Miscarriage is a nobody wins situation, even if you didnt want the baby, or your partner didnt, its still the loss of a life that could have been.
This is a beautiful peice of writing, thank you so much for sharing
loading...
My story is a bit different. I am married and we already have a 4 year child and in the past 10 months I have had three miscarriages. It has been an absolute emotional roller coaster. We are finally being sent to a fertility clinic this week to see why I can’t hold onto the pregnancies. The problem is I’m really keen to go and see doctors and give it all another go but now my husband isn’t. It has been such a terrible year of heartache and loss and I think he is just over it. He says he feels like our life has been on hold trying for this second baby and it has been incredibly taxing on us both emotionally and for me physically as well. Not sure what to do. He is also worried that because we have had so many losses that our eggs/sperm are of inferior quality (he is 40 and I’m 37) and that if we do have a successful pregnancy something will still be wrong with the baby anyway. Not sure if it selfish to drag him to this appointment this week.
loading...
My story is similar to you, but I lost 4 pregnancies (ectopic and miscarriage) then lucky number 5 produced a beautiful treasured boy. I was 29 when it all happened, so age isn’t always the answer, nor does it mean your egg/sperm is inferior. Sometimes it’s just bad luck. I always wished they could find a medical reason like it would somehow make things better. I’d talk to your husband about it. Often when I couldn’t stop myself from crying, my husband would hold me and tell me I don’t have to do this. He wanted children but didn’t want to see me go through the medical procedures and the fall afterwards. Now we have our son, he is happy we continued on and we are now trying for a second, hopefully less eventful than last time. They married us because we were the person they loved more than anything – maybe he just wants to protect you. Maybe he does want to go through with it but doesn’t want to put you under any more pressure than you are putting on yourself. It’s a hard journey – I hope it all works out in your favour. x
loading...
Do you mind me asking if you were sent to a fertility clinic or not? My Doc told me only 1 in 100 couples experience 3 or more recurrent miscarriages and that they only find a medical reason in 50% of cases. I’m assuming from your comments that no medical reason was found?
I keep hoping it might be just bad luck due to a poorer quality of eggs/sperm due to our older ages, especially as we had no problem with my first pregnancy when I was 32years. However after 3 losses in a row I can not but help think it is more serious! I know my husband is worried for me, but I also think he has decided that life with our one child is great and that all these miscarriages are telling us that we are only meant to have one child. I don’t know, feeling quite confused. I think we will just go to the appointment and talk to a specialist and then make a decision.
Thank you for your reply. Sometimes you feel very alone. I know a lot of people who have had one miscarriage and they of course can empathize. But I dont know anyone who have had 3 or more in a row and i think that when you keep having them, people just don’t know what to say. With my first miscarriage everyone was great and incredibly supportive. But with each subsequent one I think people become a bit more desensitized to them and have found they have almost been swept under the carpet (even by my husband). I think that is what I’m finding the hardest to deal with. I only had my last one a couple of weeks ago and have found that even my family barely registered it. They said that is sad and I haven’t heard a pip from anyone since. On a rational level I totally understand why everyone is seemingly more unaffected after each failed pregnancy, but as I said earlier it does make you feel more and more isolated in your grief. Do you mind me asking if that was your experience with recurrent miscarriage?
loading...
Hi Gnat and Anon
Just wondering if you’ve been tested for a blood clotting condition (there are many)? They are often associated with multiple miscarriages.
loading...
Hi MissAK. My GP talked to me about the blood clotting issue. I guess that will be something they look into this week. He said not to get my hopes up in finding any answers because they don’t always find one:(
loading...
That was one of my issues; anti phospholipid antibodies. I had two miscarriages prior to birth of my 1st child and then one miscarriage prior to birth of my second child. I really had to push for further blood tests to investigate possible causes. Wish you all the best and luck in your fertility journey x
loading...
Hi, just to butt in for a second – the problem with anti-phospholipid antibodies is the fact that some women don’t have them when they’re not pregnant,but DO when they are pregnant – if you’ve just had a miscarriage, it’s worth getting tested straight away while your hormones are still around. My bf had this issue – which is why I’m aware of it.
loading...
We have a healthy 4 year old daughter and I have also had 2 miscarriages and a stillborn baby.
I am now pregnant for the 5th time.
My obstetrician put me on progesterone supplements, injections of HCG for the first 12 weeks and a daily dose of baby aspirin to help prevent another miscarriage. (I also had a cervical stitch and am on full bed rest for the entire pregnancy.. But that is for incompetant cervix)
My point is that I saw so many doctors who told me that there was nothing I could do and that it was just bad luck.
I finally found my current doctor who immediately told me that as soon as I fell pregnant I would be put on these medications to help prevent another miscarriage. So far so good as I am now 16 weeks.
I have done a lot of research and spoken to many women who have used the same medications as me with incredible success.
Even if you have had every test possible and no one can find a cause, there are still things you can do! Search around for a doctor who is willing to help!
loading...
Thank you Katie. The specialist I’m seeing this week is part of a fertility clinic but specialises in recurrent miscarriage. Am hoping she knows about all the possible causes and preventative measures. If not, will try and find someone else.
Thank you to all the women who have had recurrent miscarriages and stillborn babies for responding. I’m so sorry that you have all had to experience these horrifically painful events too. You all have however given me some hope that I too will be able to have another baby
loading...
Hi gnat.
Thanks for your reply. I lost my littLe girl at 24 weeks last year to antiphospholipid syndrome. I had a dvt in my leg, clots in my lungs and brain. Its a hard road but well worth knowing what you are dealing with.
loading...
I had every test under the sun for recurrent miscarriages and nothing major stood out with either of us, but low dose aspirin in my 2 last pregnancies just may have been what helped them get to full term.
loading...
Oh darl, you are not alone in feeling alone in your grief and it is definitely not something easily understood by those who have not been through similar. The pain is overwhelming at times and often I felt I was drowning in grief. My family were supportive but often I found it harder dealing with their grief as well. My Mum took every one particularly hard (she had 4 children with no fertility issues as did my Nanna). They both couldn’t understand why and as any mother knows, it is difficult to watch your child go through it. She just wanted to make it better for me.
I have a fantastic OB that gave me every possible test – all coming back normal for both my husband and I. They even analyzed tissue following a D&C which showed nothing. I had a M/C @6 wks, then M/C @5 wks, then cornual ectopic @8.5wks then cervical ectopic @6wks that M/C. All were terrible but nothing was as bad as the cornual ectopic (google it – there’s virtually no info it’s so rare). The foetus comes to rest in the the top corner of your uterus just outside of the Fallopian tubes. I actually thought I was lucky – finally all was going my way until I had a bleed at 8.5wks and went to have an ultrasound. To cut a long story short, the placenta would have grown through my uterus and attached itself onto an organ for blood supply, as that part of the uterus can’t support a pregnancy. At 9 weeks it will haemorrhage, and result in a hysterectomy. I was lucky, we caught it before it did. I ended up having to have it terminated. It was horrible. Because of where it was, I could have surgery or a normal termination. Instead, I had to lay completely still whilst the Dr used ultrasound to line up exactly where the baby was, then punched a needle through my stomach and injected the foetus with potassium to stop it’s heart. But some are tough and that won’t stop the pregnancy growing that I then had to have chemotherapy to ensure the cells would stop dividing and the pregnancy would continue. It was awful I could see a strong heart beat on the ultrasound, and I desperately wanted this child. I have never felt so alone in my life as what I did then. My husband was supportive but even with him, I still felt alone. No one I knew had had a M/C (hard to believe), all my friends were having children without problem. Even though people were supportive, it was sometimes just the way someone phrased a question – “do they know what’s wrong with you”. My reply was normally terse “there’s nothing wrong with me I just haven’t had a successful pregnancy yet”.
But I was determined and kept telling myself that I am lucky. Someone in this world somewhere is dealing with a disease or illness that is worse than me and would swap places in a second. Keeping things in perspective helped. I then ate well, exercised and had a supportive OB that helped me get through it. We never went to a fertility clinic. But my OB did put me on blind therapy (basically treating you for something but they don’t know what). I took low dose aspirin, folate and fish oil in combination as well as the normal pregnancy vitamin for the first 12 weeks. I had a bleed at 9weeks with my last pregnancy but then it went uneventful and I was rewarded with a text book birth (3 hours drug free). Figured I deserved it after all that! We were lucky that we fell pregnant quickly, 5 pregnancies and each time we tried we fell pregnant so it wasn’t dragged over too long a period. This time it’s the opposite, we have been trying for 6 months and nothing yet. It doesn’t get any easier though. I thought that if I had one child then I would be ok if I couldn’t have more, but I think it’s more that you have a dream of what you want your family to look like and when that doesn’t happen it’s hard. And when it happens to everyone around you so easily, its hard to watch. I did a lot of fake smiling, I didn’t want my friends to stop sharing their happy news with me when they were having a baby. I definitely found with each loss it became harder and harder and if I do lose another now I have my son, I think it will hit me even harder. I look at him and think I don’t want to lose a baby like you.
The only answer any of the Drs could give me was bad luck. My OB says that you would think it was more than that given so many, but given it was something different each time it is even harder to pinpoint.
I understand how sad it makes you to not hear from people since too. It feels like there is no acknowledgment for what you have lost. You practically have them named, enrolled in school and then nothing. I’m thinking of you and what you have lost, so they are not forgotten.
Go to your appointment and see what they say. And tell yourself you are going to have a baby. That was my mantra – I’m going to have a baby. xxx
loading...
Hi Anon. Thank you for your reply. It really has helped. I too have had different causes for each miscarriage. I even think the last one was due to extreme stress. The day I found out I was pregnant my brother started having seizures and was put into an induced coma, for what we found out was a brain tumor. The doc’s can never definitively say that stress can cause a miscarriage, but I do believe it played a large part. We didn’t know whether he would live or not. This was only a couple of weeks ago so has been a tough month. I’m so sorry again for your horrific experiences. I really hope you successfully fall pregnant again
Life does seem very unfair, but I am trying to keep positive. I know we have both had a child, but it really doesn’t make losing pregnancies any easier. My thoughts with you too.
loading...
Last weekend we celebrated our beautiful youngest daughters 2nd birthday. It seems like a lifetime ago now, but reading these stories bought back the pain and uncertainty of repeated miscarriages. I experienced 4 miscarriages and was waiting for my appointment with a fertility specialist when I became pregnant again. After our fourth miscarriage my husband felt we should be content with what we had and move on. Looking back I can now see that it was an all consuming focus for me – every pregnancy bought hope and fear, and I would spend hours on Internet forums reading other peoples stories and obsessively waiting for my hormone level tests to come back. I think my husbands feelings were equal part not wanting to live in that state of instability, and not wanting to watch me go through miscarriage again. It’s different for them, they experience it from a distance, we feel it in every part of our being.
Our story to me is a miracle, to others it may seem lucky. We had agreed to stop trying until our appointment but mistakingly thought we would be infertile on day 8 of my cycle – I had ALWAYS ovulated on day 13-15. That sounds really naive and teenage like now but at the time it seemed to make sense. When I felt sharp ovulation type discomfort the next day I thought it was another sign that there was something really wrong with me. It was in fact me ovulating and I was shocked to find I was pregnant 6 weeks later. It took a long time to really believe my baby was ok, I never really announced our pregnancy and some people didn’t even know until I was 6 or more months pregnant.
All the best with your journey Gnat, I can really empathise with where you are at and hope you can find the strength you need for each choice and for what comes your way.
loading...
What an extraordinarily painful outcome for you both. I’m so sorry this happened to you both but I also wonder how the whole experience affected your relationship with each other.
I don’t think winning has a lot to do with it, ultimately, although you were both trying to get your way in the beginning.
I think if you are both to “win” anything at all out of the experience is that both of you know that you were able to express some deeply felt antagonism towards each other and turn it around before it destroyed your relationship into acknowledging that the timing of the pregnancy was really bad but you both eventually could deal with it.
It takes a certain amount of humility and courage to deal with things out of your control like unexpected pregnancy and still hang on to your values which are underpinning your decisions, especially when you have a different decision to your partner. Perhaps, you and your partner’s values about abortion and a bunch of cells were the same and that was both a discovery for the both you and what mattered in the end.
I don’t think you can either win or lose where you have no control over events like unexpected pregnancy and miscarriage but you can live by what you believe in and that’s always a good thing.
loading...
I fell pregnant( unplanned) to my partner( now husband) 11 years ago. I wanted the pregnancy and felt very protective of it straight away but my partner did not. He said he would support either way but I wanted him to want this as much as me.
We went to the abortion clinic, I got just inside the door turned to him and told him im going to have this baby. He was supportive through the pregnancy but I did feel like i had made a life changing decision for him.
When our baby boy was born his dad held him and cried with so much love, they have been madly in love with each other for the past 11 years and we have been blessed to have 2 more beautiful children.
Something he didn’t want turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to him.
But how do you know this when that line turns blue on the pregnancy test? It’s such a hard decision to make.
loading...
I’m one of the lucky ones. My ‘friend with benefits’ and I found out I was pregnant after a mild bout of gastro rendered the pill useless.
The only conversation about the baby was him saying, “what do you want to do?” and me saying, “I can’t do THAT”. His reply was, “I guess we’re having a baby then.”
He was 40 and didn’t think he’d ever be a dad and I was 30 with two kids from a previous marriage and didn’t think i was having anymore. Imagine our surprise (shock) to find out we were having twins. (mum of four boys. Sheesh!)
He stood by my side every step of the way. He proposed when the boys were 9 months old and we married two weeks after their first birthday.
Our boys will be four in twelve days. Would their dad and I be together if it weren’t for them? We have no idea, but neither of us would change it for anything.
We know we are one of the rare couples that make it through this and for that we are thankful everyday.
loading...
Thank you for the smile
loading...
You have a beautiful story.
loading...
So my husband and I discovered we had conceived after our holiday last year, neither of us were happy about a fourth child, he wanted me to just have an abortion, I would not and was very angry that he would suggest that and rumbled about him not really knowing me. As a concession I agreed to invasive genetic testing ‘for him’. I cried for days when the result came back with a life ending genetic abnormality. We stopped the pregnancy at 21 weeks and buried our baby, now we are both trying to pick up the pieces and despite logically knowing that how we thought didn’t have anything to do with what happened you sometimes go to the place of thinking that we got what we deserved for not wanting her in the first place.
loading...
I’m so sorry about your girl.
loading...
Oh Anna. Life has a shitty way about it at times. xx Bern
loading...
powerful writing
loading...
My story of I didn’t want an abortion and he didn’t want a baby goes a bit differently.. Firstly the ‘relationship’ was more of friends with benefits. Being in my early 30′s with no real relationship on any horizon I decided to keep my baby. It may have been my only chance and what if I aborted and then could never fall pregnant again?
But he was so adamant that I decided to let him off the hook. after all really it is the woman’s body, what say do men have? He was honest that he did not want to be financially responsible for someone, we were never that kind of a relationship that we expected to be in each others lives forever… so I let him off. I lied to the powers that be so he was not required to pay, but in a way he does, with his taxes… not many women understand how I can let it go, as it takes two to make a baby… but I believe it take one to keep it, and that is not fair!!!
loading...
Your story and mine are exactly the same. It’s like you wrote what had happened in my life! I hope you are finding the same joy that I am with my beautiful girl, and know that you are not alone. It’s a brave decision to raise a child on your own. I also wonder how my daughter’s father can have no interest in her, but it’s his loss.
loading...
Your comment is very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
loading...
Have the same story really – but then met now hubby when first bub was 6 mths and we have had 2 more beautiful children together. Wouldn’t change my decision for the world!
loading...
I always feel a bit sorry for men who choose to ‘do the right thing’ and make a life with a partner and baby they really didnt have a choice about. I think you sound like an amazingly fair and thoughtful person and your child is lucky to have such a considerate mum
loading...
I think this story highlights the stalemate that you can get into with opposing of an unplanned pregnancy. There is no compromise on a baby.
You can’t (theoretically) force a woman to have an abortion, but you can force a man to support a child financially for 18 years, that he may not have wanted.
How do you solve that?
loading...
Exactly – how do you compromise? You can’t. It tears your heart out, barbecues it, eats it and then takes a dump in the hole where it used to be.
loading...
Faybian, I think I kinda did… but it does make me sad that he is not even curious about the child that carries his genes…
loading...
A 3rd anon, I too let my ex “off the hook” financially. He was no longer interested in the pregnancy that gave me my son after I left him, so I didn’t pursue him for money. For every woman that (dare I say vindictively) pursues a man for money for a child they didn’t want, there is probably someone that hasn’t.
I too find it sad that there is no interest in the resulting child. It takes time to come to terms with that, but “he’s the one losing out” is just as good a philosophy as any.
loading...
Bit harsh. Many heartbroken women pursue the father for child support so that they can work less and spend the rest of the time doing two sets of parenting. This isn’t vindictive. It’s a necessity. Parenting is hugely time consuming. You can either do it, or pay for it.
loading...
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a guy to contribute financially to a child he didn’t really want.
Unless there’s been a conversation with the woman (prior to having sex) where she states categorically that she would definitely have an abortion if she fell pregnant. It’s a risk you take when you have sex…
loading...
Might sound a bit harsh, but just because I said some are vindictive about it, didn’t mean I thought everyones vindictive about it. Child custody and maintenance issues can bring out the worst in some people and heartbreak is behind part of it, but so is getting back at the other person.
Actually Shane, if pursuing maintenance will put you in some danger, you can apply for an exemption. That’s how I “got out of it”, unless things have changed recently.to be quite honest, it was a relief to avoid the drama that trying to get money out of him involved. I didn’t get any money for 18 years from my ex and was ok with that.
Kylie2, I think that it’s a bit unrealistic to expect to have a conversation about abortion before sex. Contraception, yes, abortion, may as well drag out a presex contract….
loading...
Faybian, you commented that you left the father of your baby, and I think that maybe more women who end the relationship do not pursue financial support compared with those who don’t choose to leave. The point I would like to make is that, regardless of ‘vindictive feelings’ due to the breakdown of the relationship / disappointment in the disinterest of the father / refusal to acknowledge the baby (or whatever other reasons), there is still a child to raise, and that costs lots of money. And lots of time away from work, which effectively means more money (lost earnings). That’s without the burden of doing two parents’ worth of work. So I’m really not surprised that these women are bitter and angry when, in addition to doing all the parenting and shouldering all the responsibilty, the father expects to walk away without any contribution. Even with a financial contribution, many of these women and their children will lead a life of hardship. When there is no presence of the father in the child’s life, the mother has an even greater responsibility to do things in the interests of the child, and this would normally mean pursuing financial support so the mother can work less and spend more time with the child, or move the child slightly further away from the poverty life if they’re living on governement benefits. I grew up living below the poverty line, living off government benefits with my Mother and siblings after we left my father and my Mother couldn’t face the prospect of pursuing him for money. Our poverty shaped my whole childhood. And my Mother was always bitter that he was financially comfortable. It is not something I think any Mother should do unless they are financially very well off, and most people aren’t. It’s not just about emotions, it’s about practical sustenance and opportunity for your child.
loading...
Feline, you may be right about that one, it would be interesting to compare stats.
I was also poor for years. That’s when I learned to sew. I was determined that we wouldn’t always be poor and went to uni and fortunately the support centre link offers single parents had not long started.
I was bitter about how lightly my ex got off for a long time, but eventually moved past it. Meeting someone else who was a great dad to my kids helped.
I suppose my view is a bit jaundiced by some of the views I’ve heard expressed by young mums through work and someone my daughter knows. Whether we like it or not parenthood shouldn’t be pushed onto someone.
Sorry about the ramble….
loading...
My experience is that it isn’t as straightforward as persuing them, or letting them off the hook. For whatever they aren’t paying, the taxpayer will have to pay more through your increased parenting and family payments.
What felt right for me was to expect him to pay what Child Support deemed appropriate. I then received in parenting and family payments what the government deemed appropriate. My son’s father doesn’t see him at all but the money is there in my account each month. It is nowhere near what we would need to survive but it’s the price I pay (or receive!) for just letting it be. And I’m ok with that.
loading...
If the father is named on the birth certificate then he has to pay. No father named, no child support. That’s how it’s avoided.
loading...
I wanted my daughter to know where she comes from, but he won’t acknowledge us. I’m not going to protect him and lie for and about him. Also, it’s not his family’s fault that because he’s not interested they don’t get to know their granddaughter and niece or her her other grandparents and aunties and uncles.
I’ve just been to court the other day because Centrelink and the Child Support Agency make you (I tried to get him on the birth cert but no dice) chase the other parent for maintenance. They cut your payment amount if you don’t.
In some ways I’d really rather not have to bother, but then I think “Hey it takes two to tango” and I was using contraception, I don’t recall you busting out condoms”.
loading...
Yes, some women do that. If the relationship was violent and trying to get maintenance will put you at risk of harm then after you’ve jumped through the right hoops, you can get exempted from it.at least that’s how I did. Dunno if it’s changed.
I also wanted my kids to know the other side of their family, so I kept in touch with my in laws,much to his mothers joy.
loading...
Faybian – that’s what I was doing at court as I mentioned elsewhere here. I got my payments cut because I “wasn’t taking proper steps to seek maintenance”. So I went to the solicitor and started chasing him, took the letter from the solicitor to Centrelink, they exempt you for 90 days if you have proof you’re chasing the other parent up. Then had to go again, we went to court, court said we could try something else, that didn’t work, so court this week was to declare it legally to Centrelink that he wasn’t acknowledging, so once that comes, I can go to the Child Support Agency and they chase him using their powers. Either way it gets them off my back about chasing him up.
loading...
Not sure about increased support from the Gov. Single mum to two gorgeous boys who’s dad decided over four years ago that he wanted a ‘life’ and hasn’t seen them or paid a cent ever. These are very much wanted boys. I work full time and get minimal assistance from centrelink. I am tired and stressed and if I could I would sue him for the loss of quality of life that both myself and my boys have lost, maybe then I can have a life.
loading...
I was in the reverse situation – I wanted the abortion, he didn’t. I kept the pregnancy and it completely sucked. And then, as you know, my baby died and was stillborn at 38 weeks. No abortion, no baby. Nobody wins
loading...
That must have been utterly devestating. I’m so sorry.
loading...
loading...
A big salty, soggy start to my Saturday morning… My tears are for you and every other woman who has suffered the loss of a miscarriage. I’m sorry! The figures make it seem so ‘normal’ but the crushing of hopes, dreams and the promise of a new life (however fleeting) should never be passed off as ‘one of those things’ simply beacuse it ‘wasn’t meant to be’. Losing a baby to miscarriage is devastating and I don’t think we recognise how tough it is. Love and strength to women everywhere and the children they were never able to hold tight xx
loading...
so sad
loading...
This is some of the most beautiful writing I’ve ever read. Thank you for sharing and I’m sorry x
loading...
I don’t think falling pregnant and having kids is about winning or losing – it is far more complicated than that. They can have such an impact on us, even the ones that don’t make it. I hope everything works out for you guys and you find the strength to move on from your loss once you’ve had a chance to grieve. *hugs*
loading...
Is this article supposed to insinuate that he laced the chocolate mousse with something that caused their pregnancy to terminate? Or am I reading between the lines tools much?
loading...
Oh Anon! Definitely not. The baby had died about 3 weeks before the miscarriage
loading...
I didn’t see it like that. I read that he was starting to come around to the idea of the pregnancy, especially by sleeping with his hand over her tummy.
loading...
I think you are reading too much into it.
loading...
I think the chocolate mousse bit was just showing that he had started to accept it all…
loading...
Way too much I think? Lol but u should write crime novels!
loading...
Absolutely agree! I didn’t see that either. But what a wonderfully cleverly sinister mind you have!! LOL
Anna, this was a very touching article and I hope things work out for you. I think it probably says something that you could have such opposing views on such a massive issue and remain civil and communicating.
The other thing it made me think about was that before abortions were so accessible, men were simply expected to man up and ‘do the right thing.’ I can’t make up my mind whether this change in dynamics is a good or bad thing.
All the best to you.
loading...
I didn’t want an abortion, he didn’t want a child. He pretended to have come to terms with it and tried to trick me into drinking herbal abortion tea.
Because of that, my mind went straight there. I still haven’t dealt with it properly.
But now I have a beautiful daughter who I love more than anything.
I’m glad you replied Anna and that you know that everyone in your situation was doing the right thing. It gives me hope that some men really aren’t like that.
I wish you happiness.
loading...
Serious? That is criminal! How awful for you. xx
loading...
Gees J
That’s awful!!!!
Awful, horrible man!!!!
loading...
Oh J, what an awful, awful man. I’m sorry xx
loading...
Anonymous and I read and watch too many of those kinds story lines!! The thought occurred to me that the mousse had something in it… but not that you were aware Anna, just as a sick twisted TV land story line!
I actually got that he was coming around to the idea and found life a bit ironic to then have the bub taken away from you both.
I am sorry for your loss.
loading...
That’s how I read it also
loading...
I was suspicious about the chocolate mousse too, but only because they usually have raw egg in them and you’re not meant to eat it when pregnant
loading...
My best friend became pregnant when we were 15. Her and her boyfriend were saving up for an abortion but she became very sick with glandular fever and miscarried. It was so horrible and sad. Still is. Her parents still don’t know.
loading...
Simply awful.
loading...
This makes me realise how lucky I was to be with someone so supportive. My partner and I fell pregnant only 3 mths into a relationship…completely unplanned but we took the plunge and now have an almost 3 year old daughter. And are still very much together and in love. I am thankful everyday that I was so lucky because I know so many girls with stories like this and it breaks my heart. I am so sorry for your loss! No one should have to know that pain!
loading...
That is so heart wrenching
loading...
I came home from my honey moon up the duff – totally unplanned. We had decided to not have kids (due to our ages) and I was on the pill. There were lots of pregnancy signs but I put it down to Thai belly until the positive test. I was gobsmacked and terrified that my new husband would ask me to abort. He didn’t, he was shocked but laughed and then we went on planning our impending parenthood. The trip to the obs was exciting – until there was no heartbeat (or beats as it was twins). I was shattered and blamed us not really wanting a baby, my taking the pill whilst pregnant and the 10 daily cocktails from the honeymoon. I had a d&c the next day. We then decided to try again and 3 months later I fell pregnant with our (now 2 yo) daughter. At 36 I was incredibly lucky. I had a stressful pregnancy terrified that I would lose the baby until she was born. We have have stopped at one child – i couldn’t go thru the emotional roller coaster again.
loading...
I am so sorry to hear about the amount of losses that really do occur.. I have myself had 3 miscarriages but can luckily say I also have four beautiful children.
This is a branch off the topic of miscarriage but does relate to wanting or not wanting an abortion. Just one question for all you girls who say you really wouldn’t have or didn’t want an abortion.. If you were to find out that your baby had Down Syndrome would you still want to keep it… I’m just interested to know who would still have the bub or who would then decide that abortion was the way to go..
loading...
I would absolutely have the baby. I chose not to have the nuchal test with my kids because the result, to us, was irrelevant.
loading...
We also said no to the NT scan, as it wouldn’t have made any difference to us, we’d have continued with the pregnancy anyway.
I don’t think I could ever make the decision to end a pregnancy, especially having lost 2 to miscarriage. Thankfully I’ve never been in a situation that required that decision to be made, but I honestly don’t imagine I could go through with it.
loading...