by DEB KANDELAARS
When I was 17, I met a much older man in a disco and fell head over heels for his charms, his age, and what I thought was his sophistication and maturity. Before long, I found myself in a grim domestic situation where I lived with violence, verbal abuse and disrespect. I stayed with him for three years, and covered up what was happening to me out of shame and fear and, finally, with the help of a male work colleague who refused to take no for an answer, I found the courage to leave.
Before I left, I did a pretty good job of hiding what was happening to me. I didn’t want my parents to know, I’d lost most of my friends, and the odd work colleague who probably knew, turned a blind eye out of embarrassment or not wanting to get involved – except for one. With his help I made it out, but that wasn’t the end of it; I endured months of being followed, driven off the road, and constantly looking over my shoulder. At the end of my tether, I finally decided to ask my father for help after keeping things from him for so long. My Dad’s phone call worked and I set about starting my life again, albeit a bit world weary at the tender age of 20.
When I think about it, I guess I was lucky in a way. Not lucky, of course, to endure the years of violence and the images that have stayed in my mind, but really lucky that I got away alive; and lucky not to have shared children with an aggressive man, and in that way linking me with him for life.
These days my life is very good. I have a loving and supportive partner and family, and I’ve realised a dream of having a novel published. But the slide show that plays in my head now and again, tells a story of a different girl in another time and place, and she’s hard to recognise: click-click, her face is pushed into a pillow and she can’t escape; click-click, she is locked in the house and not allowed to leave; click-click, she is driven off the road by his yellow Ford and his evil eyes are looking sideways at her from the next lane; click-click, the cigarette is burning holes in her best dress; click-click, she is chased through the scrub and her heart is beating so fast that it feels like it’s going to explode; click-click, a strong hand grips her hair and smashes her head against a car window, and all she can do is wish that she hadn’t fallen for that man in that disco when she was only seventeen.
The one question that people ask me over again is ‘Why didn’t you just leave?’ Anyone who has been in a violent relationship will tell you that it’s just as much a psychological trap as a physical one. I was surrounded by people I could have asked for help, but I was frozen to the spot. Inside I knew I had to escape, but I couldn’t work out how. My life had been threatened on so many occasions that I believed this man would kill me if I left, or told anyone. The people at work who knew I was living in a bad situation obviously felt awkward about talking to me about it. If you stop and think about, what would you do in a similar situation? You probably think you’d help the woman out, but generally the opposite is true in our culture, and there’s a ‘hands-off’ approach to other peoples’ relationships. We don’t want to interfere; it’s their personal business; what if we’re wrong and we upset the apple cart?
The White Ribbon Foundation, a male-led campaign to stop violence against women, offers this motto: not violent, not silent – don’t turn your head, and don’t excuse violence. Someone asked me the other day, what would have made a difference to me in my situation? The difference was that one male colleague didn’t remain silent. He pointed out the bruise on my face, he named it and shamed it, and he offered to help me. The bottom line is that if you’re living with domestic violence, you need help to get out – you can’t just leave – it’s impossible.
So, my workmate helped me to get out, and my father made the final call. Oddly enough, my Dad only had to make that one phone call, threatening to ring the police, and I never heard from this man again. This was such an eye-opener to me – this nasty piece of work, who I was so afraid of, was happy to bash up and degrade women, but he was a gutless wonder when confronted by a man. As they say, the best disinfectant is sunlight and, finally, the light was shining in.
If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, you can ring the Domestic Violence Line for help on 1800 656 463 (TTY 1800 671 442). The Domestic Violence Line is a statewide free-call number and is available 24 hours, seven days a week.
Deb Kandelaars is the author of Memoirs of a Suburban Girl (Wakefield Press 2011), a novel based on her experiences as a young girl living with violence. To find out more about White Ribbon visit here and to learn more about Deb’s story visit here.








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My mother was in a violent relationship, but eventually she did the right thing and left him. I was 13 at the time and had immense respect for her because of it.
Then she met another man, the one who supposedly ‘helped’ her leave the first abuser. It wasn’t long before he became the abusive himself. He never laid a hand on my sister or I but was angered by the fact that we never treated him with respect. What man deserves a child’s respect when theyve seen him hit her?!
11 years later my mum still cycles between breaking up and going back to this guy. So while I understand that it’s not simply a case of ‘just leave him’ I still cannot understand why she puts not just herself but my sister and I through the pain of this miserable cycle.
The only silver lining is that it has taught my sister and I never to accept any such treatment from a man. I am thankful for my partner who not only reminds me I am worth more than that but tells my mother she can do better too. Hopefully one day she will!
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I’m a woman and I once found myself in a similar domestic situation, at the hands of an abusive, physically violent, alcoholic woman. Women are abusers too. Because same sex domestic violence is swept under the proverbial carpet, I found it 1000 times more difficult to get help. In desperation, I even tried calling White Ribbon who immediately dismissed me with a disbelieving laugh and without offering any guidance as to whom I might go to for help. That worsened my situation considerably.
Gender really has nothing to do with it. So if you’re in a violent/abusive same-sex relationship, you can find help here http://www.anothercloset.com.au/
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I have a very close friend whom I have helped, cared for and rescued more times than I would like to admit, I have spent money I couldn’t really afford to help her move, put a strain on my relationships with my hubby,family and other friends by letting her and her son move in with us more than once, all of this because I thought it was the right thing to do, we’ve been friends for 20 years, just so she can meet a new guy who does all the mental, verbal,physical abuse her ex did, now it’s all started again she wants me to listen to her woes and sorrows, no way no more I’m not going though that again, this is why people don’t help mainly because you get caught up in the drama and then they go back or just find a new abuser it’s sick and ugly I will not get sucked in again!
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Just remember there are two sides to every story domestic violence is a terrible thing, I could pretty up my story too just like some do but…it would be good to hear the other side of someone’s dramas before passing judgement
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Its hard for me reading these stories, I began a relationship with my husband at 17, the first 5 years of our relationship were terrible. He was completly messed up from a bad life, living on the streets for a period of time with his dad who used to hit his mum when he was little. He held so much anger within and fearde he would be like his dad so much he did become like his dad in ways. He never hit me, but he punched holes in walls, threw/broke our things, yelled at me, grabbed my arms hard enough to bruise, push me into the ground, spat in my face once…threatened to kill himself, all sort of horrors. Looking back now it was like a nightmare. When I moved out with him my parents sold our home and moved to an island an hour away, a one bedroom island. I had no home to go back to. If I had I think I would have, but I felt trapped. I fell pregnant at 19, the abuse died down but still there were a few bad occasions of him just losing the plot, drinking too much and getting aggressive. Our son meant I was sleep deprived with less patience, and no sex drive, this created more problems for our relationship, he felt onloved, replaced, old feelings from his own childhood of never being anyones number one (his mother kicked him out at 15 because his step dad was sick of him, thats how he ended up on the st) and also the beleif he didnt know how to be a dad. We could go MONTHS without a bad fight, then have a big horrible terrible one where I would call the police. Honestly the police were useless, I had no where to go as it was the middle of the night, ferries dont run to the island and all my friends still lived at home and I couldnt just turn up in the middle of the night, and my husband had full rights to come back to the house as he lived there too. we started getting better, and I fell pregnant accidently again, I was beyond devastated. I felt so terrible as we had finally been improving and now the hormones, pregnancy ect.. would put more pressure on us and I knew we were too fragile to make it. We started counselling, which was going nowhere as he was still in a defensive pig headed mind set. I was losing hope, and was damned if I would being another child into a crappy home. My son never saw much but he shouldnt have seen anything. Yelling is terrifying for an adult let alone a child. I used to lie awake and cry, not understanding how the hell my life which had been so promising had ended up there. That the father of my children was just some asshole. How could I have been so wrong?
My daughter was born, and the night I brought her home from hospital we had a big fight because he was leaving nasty little notes around (like on a carton of eggs that had gone off while I was in hospital saying ‘money down the drain $$$) just ridiculous. I called the police as I couldnt stand that he was yelling and he had pushed me onto the bed which our newborn in the room! by the time the cops came he was just asleep on the couch but i was done. He went to his mums that night and I told him he had to stay there..but he didnt. He came home with excuses like he had to wash his uniforms rara. by the time my daughter was 2 weeks old I left and had to live in a family I barely knews home (my mums friend) with a newborn, having just had a csection, my son stayed with my mum, and I started looking for a home for just us. He was horrified. He was begging me, pleading, crying, sobbing, complete mess. I turned up to the house when he was supposed to be working with a mini van and took all my things. He was rocked and shocked to the core. I remember saying to my parents “He’ll just start drinking again” (I had banned him from dirnking in the house years before) “He’ll join the army and bugger off” “He will just be angry and blame me” Well weirdly enough he had a complete break down, but went the other way. He moved into his mums house as he was terrified he would start drinking and never stop, he helped me in whatever way I would let him (paid my bond on a home I wouldnt tell him where it was or anything he just gave my parents the cash, in a non controlling way dont worry) he agreed to only get supervised visits, he just did as he was told baisically. I think it was a releif for him to have no control. I could see the change in him after a few months it was like all the negative energy was just sucked out in the shock. I still had no intention of going back, but we did a triple P parenting class together as I could tell he was becoming fit to have our eldest for over night visitations at his mums and wanted us to parent in the same way. I couldnt vault him, he was there with bells on, spoke with the teacher, asked questions ect.. He started taking our son for a sleep over once a week and he was loving it, their bond was truly growing. He slowly started to support me more over the months when I needed it (as my parents still lived on the island) so he would mow my lawns, do dishes if he was over visiting our baby and James, just trying to pull his weight. 6 months after I left him and we still had not so much as kissed but he was telling me he loved me more than ever, he was so proud of me for doing what he couldnt and breaking the cycle for our kids, he was attending counselling AND a mens anger management course which he excelled at to the point of them taking him on as a future mentor for other men. I started opening up to dating him again around 8 months after doing couples counselling ect.. we started holding hands and kissing but nothing else. We began to live like more of a family I guess, he would come to our place for a sleep over, he would take both kids for a sleep over at his mums ect.. we were going to BBQ’s together again as a family. My friends and even my parents (I think when I left Jeff my mum would have killed him if she thought she would get away with it …!) could see how far he had come and supported us. After 13 months he moved in, with the understanding it was my home and if I decided I was uncomfortable with the situation he would be leaving which he totally understood. We are (as my counsellor stressed MANY time) the MINORITY and our relationship NEVER EVER (!!!) would have been a good one had I not left and he had not seeked independant couselling, we had done counselling together and stayed living SEPERATE for over a year while we figured these things out. I cant beleive he did those things now years later looking back at it, it’s so extreamly rare we so much as raise a voice at one another now. But the man needs to be even more committed to change than the woman or I just dont think it could work, when we were in marriage counselling before I left it was useless, we saw the same counsellor after we seperated and he said he could no beleive he was the same man as it was like a light switch, he just suddenly realized. Sorry I am typing this out its a kind of therepy. There’s a shame about it all and I can never talk about it comfortably as I live in fear of giving the wrong person hope and they get bashed or something as in most cases you just need to get out. Anyway, thank-you if you got this far, I’m happy to say we are a happy family of four, he’s now a fantastic husband and father and I am forever grateful for the very rare but appreciated outcome of our story.
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Thank you for sharing your story and highlighting how important it is for someone who witnesses, or can see the signals that someone is in a domestic violence situation.
I definitely think that there is a need for more domestic violence awareness especially for people who witness domestic violence…it might actually save a life as unfortunately there are a growing number of deaths directly linked to domestic violence. There was one incident that my pregnant sister’s ex had grabbed her around the throat and held her against the fence out the front of their home. Even with all the screaming and yelling the next door neighbours stood at their screen door watching but did nothing! Fortunately for my sister, the neighbour across the road heard the screaming and came over to help her. She has since left the relationship with her young children after 12 years of domestic violence however it now going through courts.
So glad that you were lucky enough to have someone that stood up for you and helped you get out of the Domestic Violence relationship.
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I meet a guy in a yahoo chat room who from the first chat displayed traits that he was possibly violent & controlling towards women. I was bored at the time so I played along pretending I was interested. I lied constantly to him, the more I lied letting him think I was interested the more controlling he became, just online. Most of our conversations centred around how great he was, he constantly asked how I was going to make our relationship work, how was I going to support him, how I needed to come to him, how it would be selfish of me to expect him to travel to me. There was always an urgency with him to cement our “meeting”
If I was going out he would throw a tantrum that i was being selfish to take time away from us & he wouldnt talk to me for a couple days as punishment. He would constantly say how no other men are even close to how he is & he could beat up on any guy (really weird that aspect) he would mock me over my career I asked him to stop belittleing me & 2 weeks later he took a potshot at me for not thanking him for not mocking me anymore (who thinks like that, I have to thank him for not belittleing me?)
He had been married, told me his selfish bitch of a wife broke up their marriage by having an affair but let slip one day that he had himself had a multitude of one night stands whilst being married. He was a heavy drinker that was very obvious.
I got bored with playing along so I told him I had booked a flight (I hadnt) gave him flight details etc. I wasn`t at the arrival lounge, he was.
I pity any woman that would be silly enough to hook u with him.
My point is that his controlling trait was obvious and women/girls need to be educated to recognise these traits in men …….. the urgency, the possessiveness, the superiority, the manipulation, the punishment. These are all signs of a person who is a relationship control freak & potentially physically & emotionally abuse.
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I have suffered the same thing but many times over. In fact, the only girl I have ever had a long term relationship with that did not do those things to me was my high school sweetheart. We went together for 4 years. Even now we still have that little zing between us.
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It’s really complex but just a couple of comments: the 2006 changes to Family Law assuming shared parenting was the way to go resulted in many more women – and children – remaining in abusive and dangerous relationships. The ‘unfriendly parent’ provision – which hopefully has gone with the changes today 7 June 2012 – meant that judges had a good excuse for saying that the mother was trying to stop the child seeing the abusive father. Therefore (what happened to most of the women we know) by some incomprehensible logic these judges decided to stop the mother seeing the child except under unreasonable and cruel circumstances. The abuser got custody of the child who was unprotected. So mothers stayed to try as much as possible to provide some sort of shield. None of these cases will be revisited under the changes today. These changes only apply to new cases and unless the judicial officers all undergo re-education camps their attitudes and decisions won’t change. Join http://www.justiceforchildrenaustralia.org to keep up the fight for children and their protectors.
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A similar thing happened to me. I haven’t stayed with my ex in the typical sense, but i keep my foot in the door (a half relationship) just enough to keep him less unhappy and to keep an eye on the kids, who he’ll use as blackmail tools. It takes something really really really really etc dramatic for the child not to have access to both parents. i hate family law
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Thank you for sharing this article by the way. It will be almost be three months since I finally had to courage to cut a violent ex partner out of my life and I’m still dealing with the trauma today.
Unfortunately I won’t be able to read your book just yet because it will trigger memories for me, but I know within time that I will purchase your book when I’m ready.
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The beginning is just like mine. Disco, older man, in love with the thought of being in love and having a family. Unfortunately I stayed 25 years, and almost 5 years on, Im still in hiding. 4 kids, now all grown up and I hid it so well, they do not understand, why I left. I waited until they were older, I now know I did the wrong thing by waiting. A new relationship will never be on the agenda for me.
Thank you for sharing your story
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I had a relationship with someone I now know was abusive. He was controlling from day one, things i just thought were little quirks that soon had me checking i was doing everything right by him in every action i took on a daily basis Strange things like – i had to sleep naked in bed, if i left a t shirt on he wouldnt talk to me. I was a hairdresser and i wasnt allowed to talk about cutting any male clients hair i had cut that day as he saw this as ‘cheating’. There were millions of other little ‘quirks’ that I soon started to live by just to avoid arguments and tears. His father was abusive and tried to kill his mum and he was very open to me about this, so I was sympathetic – a great tactic on his part because when he did physically abuse me i had thoughts like “its not his fault,its coz of what his dad did to him”. When he did hit me, in front of people as well, my brain didnt acknowledge it and i thought no way, im too smart to let this happen. denial. he was controlling, got upset when i talked to my sister for too long or met a friend for a coffee. Although the physical abuse was not really bad ( maybe im still down playing it?) the controlling aspect was terrifying. And i guarantee it wouldve turned into a major domestic violent relationship. I do believe it does start with small controlling tactics and if you sense any of this LISTEN TO YOUR INSTINCT. It’s not worth the pain to yourself and your family that has to watch this happen to you. Peace and love xxx
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Deb so glad you got out of that situation. I was also in an abusive relationship for about 5 years, I try to to think about those times anymore but sometimes my mind wanders. It helps now that I have an amazing loving husband who I was able to be open about regarding all this. But those were definitely the darkest times of my life, but I was lucky to get out before things got worse.
It took me a few years after the fact to really be at peace with what happened and I found myself in a few bad situations after (making the wrong choices) but I finally found happiness, which I’m eternally grateful for.
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I was in an abusive relationship for 10 years and also had two children, from my early 20s to 30s. I should’ve got out as soon as I noticed the warning signs; extreme possessiveness, jealousy, threats, heavy alcohol consumption, control and short temper. A month into the relationship he was locked up overnight due to a drunken rage because I’d gone out with a girlfriend. He also had previous assault charges (which I was unaware of). But of course, you are caught up in the moment, so I packed up my wonderful life & moved interstate with him. Over the next decade I was punched (even while pregnant), verbally abused, etc and told I was worthless. And yes, even smart people start to believe this and suffer severe low self-esteem, when they hear it enough. Alcohol played a big part as well. People knew this was happening, you can only have so many black eyes and ‘convincing’ stores. Two people wanted to intervene but I was too scared of the repercussions. The abuser also becomes expert at being ‘Mr Nice Guy’ in front of the right people. When my family moved closer to me we ended up moving away, as he didn’t like me to really socialise with anyone. I tried over the years to leave for good but was always threatened with ‘I will deliver you in small pieces to your family’ if you do. Fear is a terrible thing and it seems easier to stay than to be in hiding, forever looking over your shoulder. It annoys me when people say, ‘why does she stay?’ Sometimes, people are just too scared when they are threatened by these monsters. It takes a terrible toll and people need to be more understanding. Life is good now 12 years after it ended.
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What about verbal abuse? What do u do when yr being verbally abused by yr husband?? (there isn’t any physical abuse) but the name calling just crushes me and makes me lose all respect for him.
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Hi regina,
verbal abuse is one of the first warning signs that physical abuse and worse can happen. verbal abuse leads to physical abuse! please seek counselling. seperately and as a couple. it needs to stop now before it gets worse.
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It’s the same thing. it’s abuse. Psychological abuse and it’s treated as domestic violence which it is.
Usually after some time, often years, verbal abuse eventuates into physical, not always, but usually.
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OK thanks for that. It’s very painful even though there aren’t physical bruises.
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Regina, it is incredibly hurtful and painful and a good, decent man would not do it.
It’s more serious than most people think also. Because it chips away at your confidence and you eventually believe what is being told to you.
You have to get it to stop asap or get out as it will have a serious detrimental effect on you.
Please see a councellor, Relationships Australia are great and very affordable.
Best wishes x
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So sorry Regina. I think you should talk to someone who you trust and respect, someone who knows you both as a couple. Alternatively, counselling from a trained professional – for both of you if he’s up for it, if not go on your own. Please get help before it escalates xx
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Please seek help. You don’t deserve to be treated like this, no matter what he tells you.
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It’s all abuse. Emotional scars last longer than physical ones.
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Im prepared for a virtual bashing here… I am the one that is (was/has been in the past) physical and verbally abusive to my husband. I cant explain why. I just was. My dad was abusive to my mother so perhaps i have it in my genes. Even so, there is no excuse for it. Since having children I have calmed down immensely. I hate feeling stressed and frustrated and I’m far more patient now (my job was very stressful and I thrived). My husband has never hit me back or hurt me. I can’t tell you why he stayed because I never threatened to kill him if he left. In fact I would encourage him to leave however I’m grateful he hasn’t. He has seen me at my worst and he still loves me and as a result I now only want to be the best I can be for my husband and my children. And being abusive is no longer part of my life. I’ve had to learn new coping mechanisms but I feel like my hard work is and will continue to pay off in the future. I don’t want my children to have the same childhood as me so the pattern has to stop with me.
Ok… Bring on the virtual bashing! I have opened myself up for it….
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You are not the only one, I hear a lot of myself in your post. And am so ashamed of it. Yet here he sits right beside me as I type. Heartbreaking.
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Wow. Thanks Me Too. I thought I was the only woman on the planet that behaved like this.
Hang in there, seek help – It will only stop when you stop it. Mostly, just thank you. For making me feel less alone albeit in yuck circumstances.
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I am completely against domestic violence (well violence of any kind really) but I don’t think you deserve a bashing! If you had said “I do this and I’m proud of it” then you would, but you admitted your mistakes and are trying to make things right for your whole family. I wish you the best of luck with a happy and non abusive future, particularly for your kids sakes.
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How incredibly brave of you to admit that. Unbelievably brave and honest. There are reasons why you did this, family background has a huge amount to do with it.
You should be commended for your honesty and for looking at and acting upon your problems.
It makes me wonder if there are any programs for men and women who want to change. Instead of society just condemning them. Best wishes to you and your family.
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Get counselling and go to an anger management class. You’re modelling bad relationships to your children who might go onto do the same thing that you do.
That said, I’m glad you had the guts to come forward to admit what you did. We should all remember its not always the guy that’s abusive, particularly with emotional and verbal abuse.
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Hi another anon guy, not sure if you read my post correctly but I stated that I stopped this behavior when my children came along as I certainly don’t want them to have a similiar child hood to mine. I have an incredibly supportive husband and we both know how we want to raise our children, showing them how to be abusive is not included in that. I have seen a counsellor on and off since I was 11 (about 16 years) so I’m well aware of how beneficial it can be when required. I’m not sure why the abuse didnt stop earlier but when my first child was born it was like a switch was flipped in my brain that just said ‘no more’. It stops here and now, I will never abuse my husband again. And I haven’t.
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As a Dv worker, the fact that you can admit your abuse and change is often the difference between male and female perpetrators. Rarely are men held accountable or accept responsibility for their abuse, even though they are the overwhelmingly the perpetrators. It is even more difficult when we have a society that condones violence against women and keeps it private. Good on you for taking responsibility. I only wish more men out there could do that.
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Good point Jo. Women do commit domestic violence acts but research shows that it is a small minority (fact only) and that the majority of times it is in self defence or they finally have enough and fight back.
Furthermore you are right about admittance. Men hide their abuse of their partners and put on a “lovely guy” face to the rest of the world. They do this so well that most people can’t possibly believe he would assault a woman and often don’t believe the victim.
These men will lie and deny. They will even lie to Police who, gullibly believe them, that their wives/gfs are “depressed”, “emotional” etc etc. And the women are taken away – locked up in mental wards because they were so emotional when the police arrive! Well they would be having just been bashed up but this now charming man.
It’s time that society and police, lawyers, judges, took domestic violence far more seriously. When Police arrive at a situation and the woman is distraught, well there must be a reason for this.
Judges must give much more serious sentencing to perpetrators, not some minor fine.
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Its a very “liberating” moment when you can actually confront what is happening and seek help.
I was in a domestic abuse situation for two years. I finally got the guts to call the police and I’m glad I did or I’m sure I wouldn’t be typing away merrily now. And you’re right: the emotional stuff is so much harder to forget, the bruises fade.
And he got a small fine for violating the VRO several times. I think there needs to be harsher punishments!!
Good on you for getting out and finding yourself, wish you every success =)
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I hate the fact that this crosses my mind.
But these men are so persistent … have such disregard for the law, for other people in general … they are so dangerous … and they don’t stop once you have left (especially if you have children with them) … that I can completely understand how a woman might want to rid the entire world of a man like this. It would feel like (and perhaps may be) the only escape.
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My best friend was in an abusive relationship, both emotionally and physically, when we were in our late teens. On the surface, he seemed perfect. She lived with her parents and she worked extremely hard to hide it from everyone. Her family and friends all thought he was wonderful.
She was 20 when she finally broke it off with him after 2 years. She still did not tell. He stalked her at work and threatened her. He rang me and asked me to help him get back with her and, as I had no idea, I remember telling him to give her some space but I was sure they could work it out.
One day, we were driving to Uni and she told me about the stalking as she ‘wanted someone to know in case anything happend to her’. I pulled over the car and the more I heard (threatening her with a gun, pushing her over, the controlling) the angrier I got. She was so ashamed. She was a highly intellegent, independant woman from a good family with loads of support. She could not face telling her parents.
He rang me a few days later to again ask my help to get her back. I let him have it with everything I had. I threatened him that if he so much as spoke to her again, I would make sure that they would not find his body (I grew up in a pretty tough side of town so I think he believed me!).
I went with her and held her hand whilst she told her parents. We did not tell a lot of people but I told a few of our close male friends and between us we would pick her up from work and be there to make her feel safe.
He backed off very quickly when he knew she had told someone. He was a coward that only felt ‘big’ by controlling her. I would hate to think about what would have happend if she had not spoken up. We later heard that his next girlfriend needed to take out a restraining order.
I am so thankful she said something. From reading a number of comment below, there are many people feel the same. I would never be able to keep my mouth shut if I thought someone I know or worked with was being abused. Problem is that abusers come in all shapes and sizes and are experts at putting on a front.
Thank you Deb for sharing such a personal story. If someone reading this can relate, maybe they can be as brave as you.
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My sister has been in an abusive (both physically emtion mentally…) for a number of years now. Over the past few years he has isolated her from her friends and now more recently he has cut off contact to her family. How can I help my sister out of this situation?
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Hi Deb, I’ve read your novel — which I read as a fictionalised memoir — it was very moving and well written, and yet, despite its short length, I felt a lot of frustration as I read it, thinking all the time, ‘just leave! move out! get away from him!’. He was just so nasty, abusive and horrible. Of course, it’s easy for the reader to feel that, quite another to be in that situation, as you’ve articulated here.
Congratulations on the book and wishing you success as an author.
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I’d be interested in practical advice as to what do in circumstances one commenter outlined below: “will probably accept it as fact when their female coworker or friend says she walked into a door”.
What’s the appropriate response? Call the police? You didn’t see it and in fact don’t know what happened. She is saying she doesn’t want to you do anything and in all likelihood will not cooperate with any investigation and of course if there is there’s any foundation to my suspicions things are likely to get worse for her not better. I get that there are good reasons why abused people can act in these self destructive irrational ways but again what should I be doing as someone who wants to help and regards women beaters as the scum of the earth? If an adult clearly tells you it’s none of your business and not to interfere (referring here to the abused not the abuser of course) what do we do?
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Give her your phone number in case of emergency and wait for the call. lead her into things that makes her feel like she has an identity, for example ask her what she enjoyed doing as a teenager , and if she was into something (ballet dancing, playing the piano, anything ), push her down this path, I’d personally even go to the classes with her. You have to be the yin to her yang, she’s probably forgotten who she used to be and remembering it might bring back some sense of self and a bit of pride, this could lead to anger as she realizes what HE has destroyed in her, and give her the strength to leave. Sometimes all it takes is getting your pride back. It’s a long process though obviously .
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I normally put my name to comments but in this case need to preserve my identity.
I was in an emotionally abusive relationship for 18 years. He isolated me from family and friends, made me feel so lousy about all the interests I had that I stopped being involved and tore my self esteem down to nothing.
Then to top it off he had an affair and left me for another woman.
I didn’t know how to live without him. Why? Because that’s what I heard every which way, shape and form every day for 18 years. I fell apart for six months (with two children in tow that he walked away from).
Finally after months of doing all the emotional heavy lifting, my mother snapped at me. Hard in your face truth that it was up to me to pick myself up. It was EXACTLY what I needed to hear (this may not work for everyone – but was right for me).
So I did. I went back to school, reclaimed my hobbies/interests, am employed in a career I love EVERY day and am raising two confident kids.
I am woman. Hear Me Roar.
BUT: For the past 8 years slowly his manipulations came to the fore again. Insidiously creeping their way back into my life and it took someone else pulling me up again to point out to me that he was still trying to CONTROL my life and we’re divorced.
So for the first time I stood up for myself and said NO MORE.
Well he didn’t like that very much and dragged me along to mediation.
The hilarious thing – even the mediators can see the abuse.
I’m about to call off mediation (it’s not really mediation it’s him trying to manipulate me and make me out to be a b!tch) as even the mediators are advising me this won’t work.
The best thing – mediation forced me into counselling so I’m getting stronger. The other great thing – I was a person who diairised everything. So when this sh!t hits the fan in the lawyers office (yes it will end up there) it’s all documented. Every. Last. Thing.
I’m not a door mat anymore.
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Congratulations anon for ring so strong. Your children are going to thank you for it.
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I know it’s ludicrous of me to say given that I don’t know you, but I’m so proud of you for being so strong. I’m sitting at my work desk with goosebumps after reading your words. I’m awed by your strength and determination. Goodluck with everything. I wish you every happiness.
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Bravo Anon, that documentation will be worth its weight in gold!
I’ve noticed a trend among divorced women I know who come out of controlling relationships, especially with kids, that their husbands remain obsessed with them and use every legal trick in the book to keep you under their thumbs. It must be utterly infuriating.
I hope you manage to convince him that it’s not worth the effort, sooner rather than later xox
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It doesn’t leave you with much. The emotional stuff leaves no bruises – that show. The affairs, the belittling, the blame (if you weren’t such a bitch…).
Yeah. I’m better off now, disabled, in constant physical pain, with my lovely supportive husband and well adjusted kids, and friends who are proud of me, than I was when physically healthy, but worn to an unrecognisable shadow, a stranger to my friends, persuaded that I needed to stay for the kids, I couldn’t ruin their lives, and what could I do without him?
Even that they would be better off if I died, yeah, I was told that a lot.
So I grok why you stayed. And I’m so glad you got out. And I’m glad I did. And I can only hope for any man and woman I the same situation (men can be victims too, and edits even harder for them to admit it), we can only hope they can find the way out to healing.
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A friend of mine moved interstate to marry the love of her life and I was so excited to have a work trip to her city. We weren’t as close as we used to be ( i put it down to living so far away).
She was reluctant to have me stay for a night with her, but I laughed it off and lobbed on her doorstep.
We had a great night, chatting over wine and takeaway. The she heard the key in the door and she went pale. I was confused. I was really looking forward to seeing her hubby. I didn’t really know him that we’ll.
I could tell he was in a foul mood and you could’ve cut the air with a knife.
We made stilted small talk and I excused myself and went to bed.
I heard the low aggressive way he was talking to her and i laid in bed as stiff as a board. I reflected that my parents had never really argued when I was growing up, I had older brothers and we never fought because of the age gap and I realized I was frightened. I was I’ll equipped for this situation.
The next thing I knew she flew into my room and locked the door (that she told me she had installed, but never told her husband), pushed a chair up and under the door handle and jumped into bed with me. He start yelling and bashing at the door. He threatened to kill us both. This went on for hours. She was impassive throughout and was obviously waiting for it to pass, as it apparently, always did. I was crying (i can feel the panic as I write this) and begging her to call the police.
It eventually went quiet. We heard him drive away.
I leapt up, chucked my stuff in my suitcase and shouted at her to get moving and pack her stuff. Let’s go. She wouldn’t.
I begged her to at least drive me to the airport (strategy was to get her the hell out of there). On that journey she told me everything. He abused her physically and emotionally in the most horrendous way. She showed me the scars, bruises and burns. She told me about the sexual abuse – he once raped her anally that resulted in injuries requiring surgery. I remember that being a ‘cancer scare’… She had a job where her face was important – he never went near her face.
She was so ashamed. She’d married this man in front of her friends and family. Till death do them part was a chilling statement he used to remind her of.
She’d been warned. His ex-wife had called my friend to tell her what he was like. She thought she was just jealous. Didn’t tell a soul about that.
She didn’t realise that the abuse had started. It ramped up very slowly from emotional abuse – crtisism about her looks, what she was wearing, her friends, her family. It escalated to borderline violent and kinky sex, which afterwards he’d accuse her of being a slut.
No one had any idea.
She let go of most her r’ships and laughed because I was one of the few who was so bloody persistent!
I said to her you need to get on this plane and come home.
She had some strange excuses. She couldnt bear to leave without the diamond earrings he’d given her, her work, her books.
I couldn’t persuade her, but said if you stay I can’t be your friend. I can’t know that this is happening and just live my life. Still she wouldn’t come.
She made me promise not to tell anyone.
The first thing I did when I got home was to go straight to her parents and tell them what I knew.
This coincided with her coping a beating from him when she got home from the airport that was worse than ever.
She came home for good within the week. With absolutely nothing to her name.
She’s since met a gorgeous man and is now a mum to three children.
What happened? She had a reality check when someone outside of this situation looked in and saw it for what it was.
She realised she couldn’t have kids with him.
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Wow….. amazing story. Amazing handling of the situation by you. Well done.
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It’s amazing how i respond physically to this piece and others on the same topic; my heart races and my hands shake.
It has been 3 years since I left my abusive ex, 17 years my senior (in another country), but only a month since I last had to contact the police due to his threats – made through old acquaintances since he can no longer track me down.
The last time i was in the same country as him, last July, I had a severe panic attack that resulted in me leaving the country only 4 hours after I arrived, although he could not have possibly known I was there, and in a city of around 7 million people the chances of us running in to each other would be slim to none – yet I could not stand to be there. The fear gripped me, and it felt like only the night before that I had been thrown out barefoot into the snow with no where to go after one of his rages, or dragged out of bed by my hair. I physically broke down shaking worse than I ever had whilst in the middle of the relationship -being back in that city was horrific.
One thing i still struggle with was men, who I thought were my friends as well as his, knew everything and said and did nothing. On one occasion I was in the bedroom at his mercy and a friend of his was in our lounge room, ignorant to shouting and screams. Yes, I should have left, but when you are in that position and think no one will listen to you – and then see first hand no one is listening, you get even smaller and more closed off.
I’m now happy, in a loving relationship, with a man who knows about my past. My family and friends have an inkling now i am home in Australia, and my mum “knows” but I cannot bring myself to tell her the extent due to embarrassment, and also, knowing her would hurt her to know what happened, that I stayed with him too long.
Articles like this are brilliant, because it really does make your realise that you aren’t the only smart and strong woman who “let” themselves end up in this position.
Thanks Deb x
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To the people who say the the White Ribbon Campaign does nothing… it has the same function as articles like this- It tells people that they are not the only ones to experience violence and intimidation and that you can escape.
There is life after DV and the more it is talked about and bought into the open the better.
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Without trying to detract from the gravity of domestic violence I have a strong dislike for the White Ribbon campaign.
The reason is that it asks men to promise not to abuse their women. It implies that all men are potential abusers who need constraint or there’s a possibility they will hurt their partners.
Can you imagine a campaign asking you as a mother to promise not to abuse your child? How would that make you feel?
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Common reaction to WRF and not entirely unfair. However, it operates on the facts. Most abusers are men and most victims are women. It aims to educate men and women about the importance of not turning a blind eye. It aims to teach our brothers, fathers, friends and partners that abuse is not ok and even if they are not abusive…they have the power to say no to men who are. After all, men who do abuse women generally don’t take notice of women’s stance- but they sometimes think twice when another man says it’s not ok.
A campaign asking me, as a mother, not to abuse my child? I’m ok with that because I don’t. Perhaps if I did abuse my child I would be defensive.
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I understand the statistics. One of the issues coming out of gender focused DV campaigns is that it reinforces the paradigm of men=bad in our culture. It also reinforces the stigma faced by male victims.
I can understand why women want to take measures like this to defend women from male abusers. However, every message that is sent out into society that paints men as bad gives men and boys a negative feeling and also makes women more fearful of men in general.
In isolation a single campaign isn’t an issue, but having these messages constantly bombarded into society has certain effects. Things like:
1) Boys being ashamed of themselves purely because of their gender
2) Parents shying their children away from men in public and private
3) Women being afraid to be with men in isolation
4) Men being so ashamed of their sexuality that they will not show women they are attracted to them because they think the women will think they are creepy for having any sexual interest
I’m going off on a bit of a tangeant here, but the point I’m trying to make is that to counterbalance all the implied messages that men=bad, we need to promote that men=good. Because the vast majority of men are, but you never hear about it in the media.
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I understand where you are coming from Anon Guy, but on the contrary, I think WRF sends out a really positive message about men. From the brief knowledge I have, it was set up by a group of men in reaction to a particularly horrendous incident of gender violence. It let’s society and especially victim’s of DV know that there are wonderful men out there who pledge to never turn a blind eye to such a serious problem. It says that even though there are some terrible people out there, have faith because there are many more who want to change it.
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I actually disagree. I think it should/does empower and promote the good men who AREN’T abusers who take a stand up that they do not tolerate this.
I think it should make them proud of the fact that they are real men and not cowards who like to intimidate women to get their kicks. I would also think that if more men publicly took this stance in their groups of mates and talked about it more among each other, then there should be that element of peer pressure where perhaps the perpetrators think twice about treating women in this way. Or, at the very least, if there’s a woman in his life who is in danger, she would at least know of someone to turn to who she knows wouldn’t judge her.
I also think that if if WRF makes even one more man stop and think (even in terms of recognising it happening to someone else and stepping in to help) then the WRF has achieved something.
But maybe that’s just too idealistic.
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I work with children who have been exposed to DV (and usually experienced it themselves) and their mothers. It is a very difficult to help these families therapeutically, as leaving is just the first major hurdle and usually doesn’t end in safety and healing. We find that, after leaving, women and children are then abused by the Family Law system by ordering contact with the perpetrator, sometimes ordering a 50-50 custody arrangement. Women and children are often not believed that there was DV prior to leaving because there’s “not enough evidence”, or that because the father didn’t hit the children he could still be considered a good parent, or that if children are distressed about contact or verbalising a wish not to attend that their mother has tried to coach/alienate them from their father. I’ve seen it over and over again in the 11 years I’ve worked in the field and it is beyond frustrating how little knowledge and understanding that solictors, judges, and even other psychologists/social workers have about DV and the impact it has on women and children.
Thanks Deb for sharing your story. Awareness about DV is key!
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Oh that is so true! Even after the Independent Children’s Lawyer recommended to the judge that my exhusband have no access whatsoever and there was a well documented history of abuse, the Family Law Court awarded him every 2nd weekend and 1/2 school hols. It was horrible watching my children crying and screaming not to go to him and being powerless to stop it. And yet, when he absconded with my children, it took over 8 months to have them returned to me. The Family Law Court system needs a desperate overhaul.
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Horrific and so wrong. Who represents this issue for mothers? Is there an organisation which supports this?
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I feel so sick to my stomach whenever I read about domestic violence. It makes me want to scream “stop the world, I want to get off!”
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To all those women in this horrible situation, I hope that you find your way out soon and go on to safer, happier times. *sigh*
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When i was 18 i started dating a guy, he was possesive…. insecure….controlling…even down to tiny stupid things – like when we were talking about moving in together, and the ONLY type of washing powder i would be allowed to use was the same type as his mum used.. and the ONLY type of dog he would allow me to have would be the same type of dog as his family dog. he hated my beautiful little dog and even kicked her once… i find anyone who mistreats animals abhorrent , it makes me sick with rage, but even that didnt make me see the light.
to this day I dont know how to define that relationship….wether it was an abusive one. he never outright hit me. looking back i think yes, that was not at all normal, and i remember one of my best friends tried to broach the subject with me once and i brushed it off., because at the time it genuinely never occured to me that he was abusive, i dont know why, but he was very manipulative i think, often had me thinking things were my fault.
he took my phone off me once and smashed it on the ground because i was leaving his house to go home and he wanted me to stay… i was walking home from the train station after uni another day and he was driving the streets looking for me screaming down the phone at me because we had made afternoon plans but i texted him that i had heaps of uni stuff to do and was just gunna go home….he was so angry and i was scared that he’d find me and hid up a different street until i was sure he had stopped driving past my house.
i went over to my girlfriends house for dinner one night – he knew where i was going and i spoke to him just before i left to go there – but i left my phone at home by accident – when i returned home 3 hours later i had 67 missed calls and heaps of msgs – all from him demanding to know why i wasnt answering.
When i finally worked up the courage to leave it was bad as id anticipated. i had just started a new job in the city (we worked together previously so the new job was a great time to leave and cut all ties)… and id arrive home in the dark to find him sitting on my doorstep in the pitch black waiting for me… he would drive past my house at 2am and blare my favourite song out the window, waking up everyone…. he went to visit my mum at her house while i was at work one day and spun lies about how id used him and mistreated him, and mum believed him and had a go at me that evening ( i have never been able to talk about personal things, relationships etc with my mum).
he sent me letters about how he tried to hang himself because i left and it only didnt work because the rope broke, and if i didnt come back he would do it again.
to this day , he is the only ex that i would run and hide from if i saw him in the street.
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Thank goodness you left him. Yes this was domestic violence, emotional abuse and stalking behaviour in an effort to control you.
Thanks for sharing your story and I’m glad to hear you are in a much more respectful relationship. I wish you well.
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Anna, that was DEFINATELY an abusive relationship. Domestic violence comes in many forms: not only physical but can be psychological, emotional, verbal, social, financial, sexual and spiritual. Please don’t minimise what you went through because he didn’t physically hit you. DV is all about power imbalance, manipulation and control, in whichever shape or form perpetrators decide to use. Most perps don’t physical abuse because there is physical ‘evidence’ to their abuse…a bit harder to show you have been psychologically or verbally abused!
I’m so glad you got out of that relationship in time. Good on you for protecting yourself!
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All I can say is thanks for sharing and giving an insight on what it’s like – why you didn’t feel you could ‘just leave’. Thanks also for encouraging us all to take a risk and if we see something not right in someone’s relationship to (gently) intervene and say something.
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My sister was involved in a violent relationship and my biggest regret is that when I finally became suspicious of what was happening, I couldn’t process it and never followed through.
She was standing at my kitchen bench, talking to me about general things while he was in another room. I noticed the bruise on her jaw and my mind shouted at me HE’S HIT HER! HE’S BLOODY WELL HIT HER!
But she prattled on and I thought no more about it…
And while she’s out of that relationship a long time ago, I still wonder if I could have made a difference if I had really listened to that inner voice.
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“I couldn’t process it and never followed through.”
this is exactly why we need a female “white ribbon campaign” women see it first and women need to know what steps to take to help other women.
Hello….Hugh Jackman and his white ribbon are not going to be there when you need help!!!
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Going along your same train of though helpmeshopcomau, any female celebrity and their white ribbon are also not going to be there when we need help. Awareness will help – which is what White Ribbon is all about.
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“Raising Awareness” =/= “Acting to solve problems”
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What’s so wrong with targeting men? Can we not raise awareness with this group, encourage them to speak up? Can we not get men to tell other men that they’re dickheads for hitting women?
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My husband has female friends at work….I know that if he suspected something was happening to one of them at home, he wouldn’t know where to go with it. The White Ribbon Foundation is not just a superficial organisation with a picture of Hugh Jackman. It is a wonderful resource for for help and awareness for victims and for people that want to help. Of course we need more education and support for women, but why does it have to be at the expense of education for men and boys? I can’t understand any negativity directed at the WRF. If we start using it as a tool for younger men/teenagers maybe we won’t have as many who get to be 35 and not know what to do if they know someone being abused. And if that involves using footballers or celebrities to get the foundation noticed, so be it.
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The White Ribbon Campaign alienates some men (myself included). I explain why in a post above.
Regardless of the reason why, if some men are being alienated the campaign isn’t as effective as it could be.
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Well, anon guy, what do you suggest as an alternative?
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Not having a pledge. The good men who already do the things the pledge promises don’t need it and bad men will either not take the pledge or take it and ignore it anyway.
Also, recognition of men as victims or otherwise making the campaign gender free would make it more palatable for the men that it currently alienates.
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Anon guy, so you don’t have a suggestion for an alternative, then.
Based on the facts, men are the majority group for abusers. I don’t see why we should make it gender neutral.
I should state that I have seen domestic violence and it was a woman who was the abuser, so I’m not blinkered enough to think that it doesn’t happen. It’s not the majority, though. To be honest, I get the shits when men complain about campaigns but can’t come up with some sort of alternative. It’s a touch precious.
The pledge isn’t just saying you wouldn’t hit a woman. It says men wouldn’t excuse it or remain silent. How many men do you think know a mate who admits to slapping his girlfriend because ‘she asked for it’ or ‘s she wouldn’t stop nagging’ or ‘it’s the only language she understands’. You think every man who hears a bloke say something like that actually stands up and says, “Mate, you shouldn’t do that.” No. I bet they don’t.
So, until they do, I think I’ll support the White Ribbon campaign.
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I did present an alternative, but you pretended it didn’t exist and then called me ‘precious’.
‘I don’t see why we should make it gender neutral.’
That’s because you aren’t alienated by the message. You aren’t in the targeted group. You aren’t being called a potential abuser.
The implication is that if you don’t take their pledge you are a man that condones DV. If you take the pledge, you feel like you are admitting that you have the potential to abuse women and need to make a public promise to keep yourself in line. This is a double bind. Shame from society or Shame from within.
Making the campaign gender neutral while keeping the pledge would still put people in a double bind, but men wouldn’t feel singled out.
The organisers understand that they have alienated some men by their approach, but have determined that the fallout is a price worth paying to have a more focused message. That’s the reality.
I just want to let women know that the WR campaign isn’t totally without negatives. At least for some men.
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Taking out the pledge and making it gender neutral isn’t much of an alternative in my eyes, it takes away a significant part of the campaign. I’d be genuinely interested on how you think a gender neutral programme would work. It’s too broad in my opinion.
I also outlined that it was about more than taking a pledge which seems to be the bit that you’re focused on.
I’ve got to say that I don’t care that men feel singled out, because men are the main abusers. It’s not about just you. It’s about boys and men. It’s about older men pulling younger men and boys up when they talk about slapping their girlfriends. It’s about decent men raising their profiles as role models and speaking up. But you ignored that bit because you’re focused on the fact that you think the pledge is all about calling you a potential abuser, which to me is an overreaction.
I’m sorry that some men feel alienated by the campaign but I like the idea of the pledge as a public statement. To me, it’s not just saying that you don’t hit women. It’s saying that it’s wrong and you’re prepared to say that. That you’re prepared to speak up if you hear a bloke talking about hitting a woman. That you don’t bury your head in the sand.
The figures speak for themselves. I’m sure that female on male violence is under reported but I’m also sure that there are many women out there who don’t report it either.
Maybe it’s not perfect but I think it’s better than nothing. I get that not everyone likes it but if it makes one man tell a mate he shouldn’t hit his girlfriend then I’m happy.
I do see your point of view. I just feel that the bigger picture is more important.
As for the precious comment, it was probably a bit off. I apologise. I just get annoyed when people complain about things because they feel tarred by something when it’s bigger than that.
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Society needs to hear more stories like this, instead of only hearing two minute news stories when it becomes ‘newsworthy’. This is newsworthy.
Family and domestic violence is such a massive, massive problem but alot of people either don’t know it is or try and avoid thinking about it. It’s not the type of thing you can help someone with without making a big committment- you have to be in it for the long haul because it’s highly unlikely the victim (survivior) will leave as a result of a few comments or a D&M from a well meaning colleague/ friend/ family member.
There are loads of reasons someone can’t just leave the relationship, including:
They really love the person- loving a perpetrator is no different to loving someone perfect. The feelings are the same and imagine deciding, and committing, to leaving someone you are totally in love with.
They have no resources- often financial control is one form of abuse used, meaning the survivor has no actual resources to leave. Combine that with the shame of being in the situation and they can’t ask for help either.
Children- having children with a perpetrator raises all kinds of issues. The survivor knows the perpetrator will have a reason/ excuse to stay in their lives. Plus, the children aren’t always aware of the perpetrator’s abuse so the survivor may fear hurting the children when they don’t understand why they have to leave. Conversley, they may fear the perpetrator will punish them through the children and would rather take the abuse themselves.
The biggest problem with leaving is that this is the most dangerous time. Once the perpetrator realises they don’t have that control, they become furious and more determined to teach the survivor a lesson for disobeying them. Whilst the perpetrator has control, the survivor knows what to expect everyday and can have some control themselves (i.e. they can see when soemthing is about to happen and use years of experience to try and avoid it or lessen the damage). When they flee, they are looking over their shoulder every second wondering when they will be found and punished for leaving. Most of the stories on the news about people being murdered in FDV situations- this happens shortly after the survivor has left.
WRF is great and in my humble opinion, education is definitely the key. Teach it at school to all students. It can be done in an age appropriate way.
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Great reply. The only thing I would add (from experience) is that abusers (at least in my case) can be highly emotionally manipulative and completely and utterly erode your self esteem and sense of self. Leaving can be scary because you’ve learnt throughout the course of the relationship that you’re worthless/horrible/the list goes on and so you begin to wonder why anyone else would love you. You’re emotionally manipulated into thinking that this is their way of showing that they love you and given you think you’re so worthless and no one else would love you, why would you leave the one you love, someone who loves you for an envisioned lifetime of loneliness? It might be hard, and the physical and emotional abuse hurts, but when you’re there, sometimes it seems to be the far less scary option than the unknown – at least it’s predictable.
I’m not sure if that makes sense?
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I totally agree ReeBee. It’s human instinct to have a fear of the unknown and that is why leaving is the most dangerous time. At least while you’re still living it everyday you more or less know what to expect. There’s no way of knowing how they will react when you leave.
Then they talk to your friends, family and even colleagues about how much they love you and can’t understand why you left them. Unfortunately, alot of perpetrators are completely charming and outwardly perfect and it is only at home that their true colours show. So everyone else thinks you are the unreasonable one for treating them so badly by leaving! Clever fuckers.
I’ve worked for FDV survivors for a long time and it used to make me angry because I knew how manipulative their partner’s subtle behaviour was (i.e sending $500 worth of flowers seems like a lovely thoughtful thing to do…except it is actually just a way to remind the survivor that the perpetrator can still pop up anytime and anywhere). Now I don’t get angry. I just focus on helping them one step at a time and it makes me happy to see these people gain a little bit of empowerment.
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‘WRF is great and in my humble opinion, education is definitely the key. Teach it at school to all students. It can be done in an age appropriate way.’
I would not want to see the WRF message taught in schools as is.
Lining up all the boys and telling them they shouldn’t hit girls will have boys wondering why they are being singled out. Is there something wrong with being a boy? Is being a boy naughty? Does being a boy mean that you will hit girls?
You can tell I feel strongly about this issue and its because I took those negative messages on board when I was a boy myself and carried some toxic shame into adulthood largely as a result of well meaning messages like this.
I would much rather see a gender neutral message being sent which avoids the problems which I’ve talked about. It will also hopefully prevent some girls from inflicting DV on their partners as they grow up.
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My wife was a real loose cannon, she would scream and throw stuff and just blast the kids for every little thing. It got to the stage where I told her I would leave and she threatened that I’d never see the kids, and she’d make up lies to make it impossible for me.
Eventually she started just throwing objects at me and taunting me with calling the police and saying I was beating her. Eventually I was so scared she was going to cut my throat in my sleep and tell the police I was abusive, that I started recording everything. Let me tell you that a video camera discretely placed or a tape recorder does wonders.
When she stabbed my through my cheek with a pen, she said that if I said anything it’d would bite me 100 times over, but one of the 3 cameras I set up when she started her screamfest caught everything. I grabbed the camera, the kids and went straight to the police. Get proof, get out
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Are there laws though in regards to filming someone without their knowledge?
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In terms of a crime being committed it’s a little murky. My husband rides to work on his bike with a camera on his head (as people have tried to run him off the road on a number of occasions) – he inadvertently filmed a car accident and the police were happy to take a copy of the footage in order to help them with their investigation.
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He, obviously, had no choice. It was the right thing to do. And women in abusive relationships should do the same.
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Good for you Johnno. Unfortunately a lot of women who are victims of DV are also controlled financially so I doubt that they could afford video cameras. It’s a good idea to gather evidence, especially when there are kids and a potential custody dispute involved.
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Real men don’t beat women, they beat the bastards that do.
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While I understand the sentiment, I don’t think we should be encouraging violence in any form…
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would you advise your own son to intervene in a violent altercation with a violent man?
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Violence never ever solves anything, step in, get involved just don’t throw a punch
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Actually, it is real men who beat women. It could be any man (or woman) you know. That’s what’s scary. I don’t think appealing to some alternate construct of masculinity helps us move beyond stereotypes of who people are and how they should behave.
Likewise, it shouldn’t just be ‘real’ men who speak out against intimate partner violence. It should be all men (and women).
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I think both genders are complicit in domestic violence and it has to stop.
So many women don’t believe victims of domestic violence or do not want to get involved. This is so incredibly weak and pathetic. But so common.
Men know their mates are assaulting their partners, but turn a blind eye. So incredibly wrong.
Domestic Violence perpetrators are usually incredibly cunning and manipulative. They so easily con friends, family, colleagues, society.
We’ve seen so often smart people, who should know better, standing up in court supporting the perpertrator saying that they’d never known him or seen him being violent! Well derr! Of course not.
Perpetrators are always lovely and non violent with everyone other than their partner. Please remember this, it is so very important.
Domestic violence is hidden, it is perpetrated by that lovely male you know, it ‘s just that they are smart enough to never let you see it.
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How courageous Deb even if you never felt it, and also now to be writing, expressing and reliving that time. This I’m sure is therapy in its own right. I hope this can bring more awareness and support needed to help women and men in abusive relationships. I will be heading over to WRF a foundation I never knew about until now. Good on you xxx
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I was verbally and emotionally abused for two years. What these men are, are cowards. So when your Dad called him and within one phone call he withered away, that’s really the mettle of these men. You have to stand up to them. It’s amazing how easy it really is – but yes I’ve been there when I thought it was really all my fault and I was just too embarassed to tell anyone what was really happening, though they knew what was going on. These men do it because, they simply can, especially when they continue to get away with it. Like my therapist said ‘get off their radar’. You’re just on their radar. Once you’re off it, they go find someone else, which is the sad part. Power to women to bully these bastards back. See them crumble. x
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Most of them are afraid of other men. My ex wasn’t. He’d take on anyone, man, woman or beast. You can’t always rely on them being that cowardly.
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‘I was verbally and emotionally abused for two years. What these men are, are cowards.’
As are the women who do the same. I’ve seen mens’ souls crushed by the manipulations of evil women. Good thing the majority of women are beautiful creatures or the world would be a terrible place to live in.
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I lived in hell for 14 years. I am intelligent, worked full time, had a university degree and yet still couldn’t leave. Your words are ones I hope many people will read so that they understand how hard it is to ‘just leave’. Many family and friends were aware of my situation and yet they never offered help or spoke openly to me about what they saw and knew. My last night with him was the night that he put a knife in my back and held one to my then 5 year old son’s throat – the moment the violence transferred from me to my child was the moment I found the courage to call the police. But it didn’t stop there – while being held in the watchouse he told a police officer that when he was released he would ‘finish the job’. I had 24 hours to leave the state for my own safety and that of my children. I left everything and walked away with my car, my child and 2 suitcases to start again where I knew nobody, had no home, no job and no support only for him to track me down within a month. This pattern continued for over 2 years until finally the police were able to have him charged with enough offences to imprison him for a short time. I returned to my home state where my family and friends were and with their love and support (and some great counselling!) I remain 7 years later, happy, healthy and unafraid. Please don’t be ‘hands off’ if you know someone you think may be suffering domestic violence -if I had had someone who wouldn’t take no for answer, I could have saved myself years of torment and suffering. Domestic violence is generally a ‘silent crime’ in today’s society and that is a tragedy. And to anyone out there who may be now where I was years ago, PLEASE find a champion and get every bit of help you can get and GET OUT. It’s hard (so many times I was going to go back to him because it was easier than looking over my shoulder every second wondering when he was actually going to just get it over and done with and kill me) but it does get easier, it does get better, you do get stronger and one day you wake up and realise what a wonderful place the world is and how beautiful life can be.
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I once chatted to a woman who told me her history and that she had been in an abusive relationship. She eventually made it out and eventually into another relationship. The first time the second man hit her, she left immediately. When I asked her why, she asked me if I would give my husband a second chance. I said I would … and there, she said, is where it all begins.
That really made me stop and think, and now I can see why the leaving would be so difficult.
It’s great that you are managing the find the sunshine again. Good luck!
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Leanne, that is so true – that is exactly where it all begins.
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And thank you Leanne – yes I have found the sunshine and it is amazing!
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What an amazing story. This is the problem though, the police should have charged him that night with assault and intent to murder. Hell, he admitted it to a police officer!
Until domestic violence is treated significantly more seriously by the law and police victims are always going to live in violence and fear. A man hits a woman they should be put in jail, not issued a minor fine! It has to stop.
So often as we see perpetrators given minor fines by judges for assaulting their partners and, of course, the violence escalates.
Police hate dealing with the issue and usually do far too little to support the victim. Very often the victim is penalised, charged, for defending herself when being assaulted as hard as it is to believe.
Often the perpetrators tell the police that the woman is insane, on anti-depressants, emotional et al. The police take the perpetrators side and take the woman away to a mental ward! This happens all the time.
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I’m in the same position you were Anonymous. There’s a lot of shame in knowing that you’re supposed to have known better. I left 4 years ago and he manipulated me to take him back. I’ve been with him 12 years, married 10 and have 2 kids. Most of our arguments have been about his family who interfere and manipulate us, yet over time I’ve realised he has made me look bad in their eyes and vice versa. Still, he’s a product of their upbringing which was highly dysfunctional, yet to the outside looked very normal – catholic family, well regarded, happy appearing siblings. Yet, the father is very controlling and has kept a diary where he records everything. My husband has started keeping a diary about me and it has dawned on me that his father would control his mother in this way. She is 62 and still does everything he says – dinner on the table at 6pm, laundry done by 7am, plus she has always had to work to provide food and clothing for the 5 kids while he worked to build a nest egg which he is now sitting on. My husband is the same. He has put assets in his name, while I have contributed all of my money to supporting us. I stopped my career for 7 years with no support from him to go back to work, which I wanted to after 1 year. He said if I hired a nanny he’d have sex with them. About 2 years ago he decided he would keep the property which I thought would at least give me the ability to leave without the kids being dragged into it. Now, he’s decided he wants them too. He’s abusive, his family are abusive to them, yet they’ve rallied around him and support him in saying I’m crazy and an unfit mother. The children are affected by him and I spend half my time arguing with him about it and he stays calm and walks away from me and accuses me of abusing him. He is narcissistic and vengeful. Since he decided he would try to gain custody of them, he’s actually tried to make it look like he’s interested in them, which has been confusing for the kids and they were happier when he left them alone. I’ve been told to leave, but I know he will not give up and will try to prove I’m unfit, vengeful, unstable. He’s also physically harmed me occasionally, and had tried to strangle me on our honeymoon because he thought I’d had sex with someone. He’s been vary careful not to be physical over the years, yet I know what he’s capable of. If he feels justified, he hurts others. The scarey thing now is that he’s convinced himself I keep the kids away from him and his family, which I’m often doing to shield them and myself from abuse. He’s convinced them I’m vindictive.
From the outside it appears obvious that I should leave, but I have to deal with the real consequences of my children being affected by him and his family. He’s a builder and he’s built a property with his parents who are champing at the bit to raise our kids. He drinks alcohol daily and is manipulated by his family and hands them over to his mother. I have reached out to the police and other services and feel supported, but I need to know I can protect my children. I know that the more I push to prove he’s abusive, the more he will push back and it scares me.
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I’m in a similar position. There’s a lot of shame involved in thinking you should know better. I can understand the fear and think you are amazing for getting away from him.
I’ve been with my husband for 12 years, married 10 and have 2 children. He’s been abusive for much of the time but became a lot worse when I became a mother. He physically attacked me on our honeymoon because he thought I’d had sex with someone. He’s always been abusive to the kids and makes it look like I’m abusive, when I react to his treatment. He has decided he wants the kids if I leave and has been mounting a case to make me look crazy. He documents everything I do, as his father still does to his mother. I have had support from police and services, but they don’t understand how manipulative he is and I fear that he will gain some access to the kids, which involves him handing them over to his abusive mother. The more I push to prove he is abusive, the more he will push to prove I’m incompetent. He’s convinced a lot of people I’m crazy, but I know what he’s capable of, toward me and the kids. It’s very easy to say to leave, which I would do if I didn’t have kids, but I feel stuck in a game of cat and mouse. His father also documents everything about my movements and I feel my phone isn’t secure, which of course my husband says is because I imagine it. They’re evil people and I just want a happy and healthy life for me and my children, but I don’t know how to achieve it. By staying, I shield them from him and his family as much as possible, but it’s getting harder. It costs me a fortune to run away and keep us busy and it is like living half a life when he’s around, which thankfully is only weekends. He has made the kids idolise him and rejects them if they don’t, regardless of how he treats them. He doesn’t apoologise, feels entitled and is backed up by his abusive family. I’ve been waiting til the kids are old enough to cope without me there, but I don’t think that will ever be the case, so I keep asking for help from services but feel that I need to take him on on his level. Sometimes I’ve even been told by DV services that it’s not DV. Other times, I’m treated simplistically as though I can just move out and everything will be fine. I feel that’s when things would get worse for the kids. People tell me to lead by example for my kids, but I can’t put them at risk for my happiness, that’s not an option. So I stay stuck.
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What a great piece of writing, and I’m so glad you managed to get yourself out of that situation.
I was trying to explain to my partner why women stay in these relationships yesterday (we were watching a horrific story about domestic violence on Dr. Phil) and having never been in that situation myself, it wasn’t easy to explain.
We used to have an ad on tv here in NZ that I really liked about family violence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poRjb4m8RXk
I’m not too sure about how effective it was though.
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1. My brother hit my mum. He admitted he did it. (he is 40.)
2. When he told me, I was too shocked to say anything
3. My mum admitted it, but has forgiven him
4. My brother is also very sick at the moment (temporary)
I want to say something. But I don’t know what to say. She has forgiven him, and he has admitted it, so should I…,move on?
I feel bad that I didn’t say anything when he told me – I just sat there shocked.
Then I thought I should say something like “I know you’ve been going through a hard time, I know you’re stressed and unwell, and I know you know that what you did was wrong. Have you thought about seeing a counsellor?”
Do I need to say this at all?
Is it already over and I should forget about it?
I don’t know what to do – I don’t want to cause problems in our already fragile family….
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My adult son has hit me, in the past. We went through a period of some months where he beat me more than once, then left the town where we live and was incommunicado for almost two years. He is very troubled … but to me, he is still the beautiful soul I tried to raise properly.
I begged my family to intervene and get him away (I have a younger child) but no-one did.
He is my son. I love him. If he needs something I have it’s his.
But whenever we are together now, I am conscious I could be hit. I fear him, and I fear for other women he gets involved with. I ask him regularly to seek professional help. He does not.
Support your Mum, in the loud ways and in the quiet ways. Let her know that you do not approve of what he did, and that you will help if he does it again. And mean it. If he does it again, call the police. Violence must be met with disapproval, every time. I am sorry to see you in this position, I know it is really quite paralysing
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Have you thought about calling the police on your son? He can be forced to attend an anger-management course by a judge. My husband did an anger-management course after I asked him to and he told me all the other men in the class were there because they had court orders requiring then to complete the course.
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been through same situation like asking other family members to move him away from me and from his younger sibling, no help. asked him to get help professionally no response, called police on him to wake him up he ran away before police came and did not asked them to follow he might have scared and would have been enough. at the end he is still my son so he talks to me as if nothing happened and i act as if nothing happened… i got blamed how come i still talk to him, thats very difficult to explain. he witnessed as a child when i bashed up by his father he tried to save me couple of times… so please save your children being a witness to DV , otherwise they might repeat what their hero father was doing to their poor mum.
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I think you need to come back to him somehow… Let him know that a 40 year old MAN hitting a (I guess) 60-something year old woman is just cowardly and absolutely not on. Put him on notice NOW that if it ever happens again, there will be a major price to pay, Mum’s feelings notwithstanding. Mum has forgiven him this time, so perhaps you can move on from there, but he has to be told it can’t ever happen again. No point in waiting until he hits her again before doing something about it – the main point of the exercise being to keep her from being hit ever again.
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“1) The White Ribbon Foundation, a male-led campaign to stop violence against women, ”
The WRF while good is never going to be enough we need women to train other women how to leave these relationships and rally around in support of them. we need a community approach and bother genders working as a team approach.
“2) my Dad only had to make that one phone call, threatening to ring the police, and I never heard from this man again. This was such an eye-opener to me – this nasty piece of work, who I was so afraid of, was happy to bash up and degrade women, but he was a gutless wonder when confronted by a man. ”
Same story with most of these scum, funny how you never see Matt Newton beating up on a bigger man, he only does it to people smaller than himself.. funny that..
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I’m pretty sure that the man Matthew Newton attacked in the US was bigger than him.
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I think having a male led campaign is a brilliant way to stop violence against women. Violence against women, most of the times, occurs at the hands of men so instead of training women how to leave abusive relationships it seems to go right to the root of the problem by aiming to stop this violence in the first place.
A main problem I find when talking to my male friends is that they actually don’t understand the hardships that women face with every day. I have had friends tell me that they think women have it easier than men. They can never fully understand as the dominant sex what it is like to be female in this society and this ignorance and naivety is part of the reason why we still need feminism. It’s just as much about educating males as it is about educating females.
Having a campaign that highlights these differences and issues is a great way to make men stand up and notice that abuse is still a huge issue for females and can perhaps make more people see the signs and step in, just like Deb’s coworker.
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“I think having a male led campaign is a brilliant way to stop violence against women”
Wrong! all of these media “campaigns” like white ribbon, pink ribbon, earth hour, etc etc are simply marketing excercises run by advertising companies in prder to promote their advertising company! the guy who invented earth hour doubled his advertising rates after earth hour became a hit.
It should be clear that Violent people dont wear white ribbons. a bunch of actors and celebrities have no influence what-so-ever on dazza and shazza out in the burbs, and certainly arn’t going to be on hand when shazza calls for help.
Women need to also help other women because thats where they will turn for help.
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I disagree. While having a system set in place to help victims of domestic violence is completely necessary, it is much more effective to focus on prevention rather than treatment. Lets try to eliminate the problem instead of just accepting it as the norm.
I believe in advocacy. I believe that people with knowledge can make change happen. Ignorance is how issues like domestic violence slip through the cracks and become a silent crime.
The white ribbon, just like the pink ribbon for breast cancer, increases awareness and awareness keeps the issue in your mind. I can probably say that most young men aren’t even aware of the extent of domestic violence. They probably don’t know that it’s a still a prevalent issue and will probably accept it as fact when their female coworker or friend says she walked into a door.
Finding out about White Ribbon has made me more aware of the extent of violence against women. I can only imagine it would have the same effect on others.
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“and will probably accept it as fact when their female coworker or friend says she walked into a door.”
again. would you advise your own son to intervene? The fact is the ONLY safe thing is for the woman to leave and for the police to be called. White knighting only esculates the violence quotient.
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No again. In no way have I insinuated, as you have somehow read, that violence is the answer for domestic violence or that intervention means more violence. I would indeed advise my son to help anyone suffering from violence. By doing what Deb’s coworker did.
As the article above highlights many women need help leaving a violent situation. I am not suggesting that we need men to save us or step in and take the law into their own hands. I am simply saying that, similar to Deb’s experience, it was a coworker who convinced her and helped her to get out, not through violence. And seeing as generally there are men in the workplace, having a few more aware and informed people out there who can see the signs just may help other women get out too.
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