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Kids on the Walking School Bus

by KATE HUNTER

So, our Walking School Bus ran out of parent-shaped petrol.

For those blessedly in the dark about walking school buses and other ‘active school travel’ initiatives, let me fill you in.

A walking school bus is a bunch of kids who walk together to and/or from school, ‘driven’ by volunteer parents. It’s a great way to keep traffic away from schools, teach kids how to cross roads safely and the kids (mostly) enjoy the opportunity to chat with their mates. It’s more fun than listening to Radio National in the backseat.

Together with my friend Liz and a handful of other parents, I ‘drove’ the Walking School Bus on its afterschool route for two years. Then I’d had enough. Liz’s sons moved to another school and no one else stepped up. Why?

It wasn’t the kids, or the walk or the unflattering flouro vests, but the PAPERWORK that did us in. Yes, there is ADMIN involved in walking a bunch of kids around the corner and legal consequences if we got it wrong, so it all became too hard and the volunteers dried up. There was no problem in raising interest, ‘Oh, a walking school bus? I can help with that!’ Mums and dads would say. And then they’d read the fine print.

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Kate, looking fabulous.

Walking School Bus leaders must hold a current Blue Card (no arguments there); they must complete a training course (fair enough, roads are dangerous). Then there’s the actual running of the bus. Each ‘passenger’ must be registered and signed in by a teacher. There’s a strict ratio of adults to children so if a leader can’t make it, another accredited leader must be found. The bus cannot depart school without every registered child on board. So if a kid is sick or being collected by Gran and no one has told the leader, no one goes anywhere until that child has been located.  Once the AWOL kid is accounted for, it’s guaranteed some other passenger will need to pee, or announces they’ve forgotten their guitar, which must be retrieved to avoid major meltdown. Only then can everyone don a flouro vest. Little ones need to be helped, and reminded that putting a vest on is easier if they put the guitar down.

Finally, with the regulation two blasts of the whistle, the bus departs. The walk to the nearby park takes about 7 minutes. On arrival, leaders must collect all the vests and make sure every child is signed off the bus by a parent or carer. Sometimes, parents are late, so leaders are required to stay with those kids until collects them. If there’s been a serious mix-up, the leader must schlep back up to school with said unattended child (leader must, naturally take his or her own children also).

So, the 7 minute walk takes about 40. No wonder we ran out of puff. And volunteers. It’s all too hard. If it was a matter of just standing near the school gates and saying, ‘Anyone want to walk to the park with us?’ I’d still be doing it, but I can’t. The litigious genie is out of the bottle, and I think communities are suffering.

It’s hard to find volunteers for many things now, because the legalities are getting knottier by the day. Parents don’t want to coach junior sport because they don’t want to be held responsible if a kid turns an ankle – or gets whacked by another kid. Umpiring is worse – you might miss a penalty and there goes the U9 premiership – who’s going to pay for the therapy? Classroom reading requires signing in and signing out, and baking a cake for a fete means listing ingredients on a label in a legible script.

walking school bus THIS is why nobody wants to help.

The Walking School Bus

No wonder people say at fete time, ‘Why don’t we just ask every family for a $50 donation and be done with it?’

After school care is no longer a service – it’s a business and it’s booming along with expensive tutoring programs and sports clinics. Kids can’t just muck about at the park (or heaven forbid, the library) after school. Someone has to watch them – a qualified, paid person – because paid generally means insured. Parents are hesitant to mind anyone’s kids but their own, only those whose families they know well. It wasn’t always like that.

A friend lives in an area of Brisbane where there’s a large Sudanese refugee community. The kids aren’t in after-care because mostly, they take care of themselves (no one shooting at them here) and they couldn’t afford it anyway. Last year, some of the boys wanted to join a soccer game being played by their mates who were in after-care.  They were told they were welcome, but had to be enrolled in the aftercare program – the school offered to waive the fees, but  the boys and their families were baffled – it was a football game in the playground – that’s what kids do, all over the worldwhy are there forms to fill out?

Kate Hunter is an advertising copywriter with over 20 years experience and one Gruen Transfer appearance to her name. Kate is also the author of the Mosquito Advertising series of novels – The Parfizz Pitch, The Blade Brief and The Crunch Campaign, which see a bunch of Australian kids start their own advertising agency. You can buy them here.

 Do you volunteer? Does the paperwork or the fear of being held responsible if something goes wrong put you off?

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  1. Cathy

    My husband did this for our small town in Italy where we were living, and it wasn’t the bureaucratic nightmare that you describe. I wish there had been a training course as some adults didn’t show good road sense, and some Italians drive like maniacs near pedestrian crossings.

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  2. kateb

    didnt we already have this post?

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  3. Jo

    Being a parent and working in a school, I see programs constantly failing due to lack of parent support. For the most part it is due to apathy and the thought “that’s the school’s job, not mine”. Also, there are a lot of working parents who just can’t take the time off to volunteer.

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  4. Anon

    I’ve done a lot of volunteering at my children’s school and also club sport. The most I have had to do is sign a form so they can do a police check on me (which I totally support). Some of the stuff I have volunteered for;
    Canteen (both school & club sport)
    Reading & Maths support in the classroom
    Clothing Pool
    Helping to set up & clean up at various school functions
    Set up, clean up & managing the kids’ sport teams
    Helping out on class excursions

    My children have been at two primary schools and I haven’t had any problems at either school. They have also done club sport with 2 or 3 different clubs over the years.

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    • Anon

      Also, when a parent is having a difficult time (illness, broken leg, anything really) and needs help with meals or dropping and picking up their kids, the parents organise meals and share driving. You don’t even have to put the ingredients on the meal box or show your driver’s license to do it.

      Maybe this school is too relaxed!!

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  5. Caitlin

    I walked myself to school from Year 3 onwards and I looked after my Year 1 cousin on the way. I didn’t need a “walking bus”. And it wasn’t that long ago either.

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  6. SK

    Wow! I haven’t heard of the WSB – what an awesome idea. I know the red tape and inconsiderate parents would be a nightmare but what a top concept. We are moving to BrisVegas next week – from wintery Melb and can’t wait to get there – and I will be able to walk little man to school (he is 3.5 so not for another 18months). I am def going to see if the WSB is at our school and if not… look out! Red tape, blue card here I come… LOL Great post btw Kate.

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    • mamamegan

      I too had not heard of the walking school bus, have no clue what a blue card is, or even what a prep is. perhaps a state thing?
      Anyhoo, too many rules and regulations will always put people off, and the ungrateful natures of those who can’t be bothered and expect that everyone else will be bothered for them, is another big turnoff. that is why so many school canteens are now privately run, and the school we will be sending our children to do not have “fundraisers” or fetes, it is a ‘voluntary’ contribution per family per year, presumably so these tasks don’t always fall to a small handful of volunteers.

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      • katehunter

        Prep is the term used in Queensland for a child’s first year of full-time schooling – kids are 4/5 when they start. A ‘blue card’ is a required by people or volunteering with children. It means there’s been a background check done and there’s no record of anything dodgy to do with children.

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        • mamamegan

          Thanks Kate, that makes sense now!I think NSW has a ‘working with children’ check which sounds similar to the blue card. good to know these measures are in place, but I can see where the frustrations of those just wanting to do their bit come from.

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      • Anonymous

        Prep is what we call kindergarten in NSW, although I believe in Victoria they use the term kindergarten for what NSW people would call pre school.
        So confusing. Surely we could have this year before year 1 caled the one thing across the nation

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  7. picardie.girl

    Great article, Kate. That is really disappointing to read – I have always thought that such things as a walking bus were a great idea. It never even crossed my mind that there would be so much paperwork involved!

    I guess the only solution (apart from everyone agreeing on a bit of commonsense and personal responsibility, which seems impossible) is to have small buses organised by the parents themselves. If little Susie is on the way to school for Maisie and her mum, they can walk her there. And maybe Johnny. But not too many – that would make it official!

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  8. whatahooha

    I volunteer a lot, and I hate hate hate bureoucracy. (it’s even hard to spell the damn word.)
    Mostly I quietly ignore it, and get the job done.
    Remember that bit in Catch 22 when all the soldiers have to sign loyalty pledges and sing the naiontal anthem just to eat at the canteen? That’s what burecracy (sp) always feels like to me, even in its smallest form.

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  9. AnotherMelB

    Yeeeepp. I work part time and have a littlie at home so can’t do a lot of classroom based helping or tuckshop at our school as they don’t let you bring the little ones with you (I can understand why). So I thought maybe I could be the school banking administrator – they don’t have it at our school. No Can Do – apparently you have to have armed guards these days! Crazy!!!

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  10. Kylie L

    My husband is a cricket tragic and has coached junior teams for years and years in addition to playing senior cricket himself and being very involved (treasurer) with his club. Since our son started playing a few years ago he has coached our son’s u/11 and then u/13 sides (as well as remaining involved with an u/17 side) and I have been team manager of those sides- the person that does the emails to tell everyone where we’re playing, organises the scoring roster, does all the data entry after a game (quite involved when we’re talking about games where every single player bowls and bats- all 22 of them) and is also in charge of who is in and out each week as we have more boys than team spots. I have been ASTOUNDED at how much abuse my husband and I have copped in these roles from parents who are cross their darling isn’t playing that week, cross that he is batting number 5 and not opening, cross that they have to score and can’t just leave their kid at the ground and piss off for 3 hours, cross that my husband expects the boys to train once during the week as well as play and drops the boys who don’t train for the next game (pretty standard practice), cross that I haven’t updated the stats the evening of the match, cross that I mistakenly gave a run out to Johnny instead of Jimmy, and cross when a game is cancelled due to rain or heat (we have both in Melb, often consecutively) and their own plans for the evening are ruined. When I said all this to my husband he just laughed and said “Yeah, and the ones that complain the most are always the least involved”. I also time-keep for my daughter’s swim club and have been roundly ticked off at meets because Charmaine “can’t possibly have swum so slowly” and I must have got it wrong.

    I love sport. I love sport for kids. I love that my kids are active, happy, engaged with their community, fit, challenged and learning about teamwork and resilience and persistence and the importance of hard work and how to lose as well as win because of their involvement with junior sport, but dear God, I am over the parents. If you are the parent of a junior swimmer, basketballer, footballer, softballer, gymnast I have two words for you- help out or shut up!! Otherwise these teams- like Kate’s WSB- simply won’t run.

    OK, rant over. Thanks for enabling that, Kate :)

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    • tanlee

      Lol Kylie. Welcome to the world of a teacher.

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      • Lisa

        Haha Tanlee, I was just about to post exactly the same comment. I’m on maternity leave atm & reading this doesn’t make me want to rush back to the classroom or sportsfield!! Brings back way too many memories …

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      • Kylie L

        I have NO idea how you do it. None. You should all be given medals and enormous pay rises. I just did tuckshop duty at my daughter’s school. A girl about two back in the line yelled out “HURRY UP AND SERVE ME”. I don’t care that she was cute. I don’t care that she was a prep. I made her wait until I had served the other ten kids waiting patiently.

        With any luck I won’t be asked back to tuckshop.

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    • Lozzie

      At my sons AFL club, the parents were asked to help out with the bbq/canteen only ONCE during the season. My husband,the team manager, very politely asked one of the dads if he could help out as the club was desperate that weekend and this particular dad hadnt volunteered as season.

      the guy’s response was “I dont do bar-b-cues”!

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      • Anon

        This happened to me all the time as manager. I learnt that you don’t ask you just roster them on bbq or canteen. And if they don’t turn up to do their allotted time just make sure their child is on the sidelines for the whole game!!

        I never did that because the parents were pretty good with volunteering.

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    • Anon

      Someone taught me a broad, yet valuable lesson many years ago that I still use. If you are not helping, you don’t get to complain. So, I am (usually) thankful for anything someone does for me and if I want to complain about it, I make sure I’m not squarking about it from the lounge chair, but working alongside.

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    • Lou16

      Kylie I am so with you. My husband team manages and co-coaches our sons under 12s footy team. He needs 6 parents at home games and 3 at away games for all the various officials roles, and neither of us can believe how many parents hop out of their cars a minute after the siren has gone and all the roles have been filled (yes, by the same parents week in week out). He has sent home notes in despair telling parents this is how many people we need, there are jobs for people without footy knowledge, without these officials we cannot play, and still barely scrape by filling the positions. Every coach and manager says the same, and says it gets worse as the kids get bigger. Same with the canteen, I help in there, same mums in there week in week out. I guess there are those that help and often those that don’t but like to criticise!

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  11. Ivy

    Excellent article Kate. I take your broader point about volunteering. Sometimes it seems too much to put my name down at my kids school. Often my husband or I spontaneously help e.g. Staying after the school fete to pack up and pick up rubbish but our names aren’t on the volunteering list. There are at least 4 dads who coach my oldest son’s under 7 rugby team and fortunately there was no huge amount of paperwork for that. It is. A challenging balance between safety and protecting people and killing all efforts of helping out through administrivia.

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  12. FHB

    It’s just fairly basic human nature – The more hurdles are in place, the less involvement will be procured.

    Even blue cards are just too much hassle for many time poor people. I’m pretty sure devious people will get around lackluster registration policies.

    Yay for red tape and the people who support it’s widening, suffocating extrapolation.

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  13. Freyja

    You need instruction as an adult on how to cross a road??? Excuse me? Just when I thought I’d heard everything.
    Ive been really suprised since coming back to Australia with all the paperwork and ID needed for simple procedures. I have to start as a volunteer at my new work and I filled out forms and had to do a police check- what? At the NZ equivalent, I just walked in off the street and offered my services.All very odd and strange to me- just like when i had to take a ticket with a number on it to see someone at the bank this week……

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    • katehunter

      Freyja – actually, sometimes we had 40 kids with us. I was glad of the training.

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      • Freyja

        I can appreciate the high volumes of kids involved, but even when I was a childcare teacher there was no special training for crossing a road. Im not knocking it, Im just suprised.

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        • Fiona

          I’m in Auckland and do the WSB at my daughters school. No paper work at all. The kids know they have to be at a certain spot for the WSB or they miss out. I certainly haven’t had a police check, nor filled out any paperwork. The kids are learning responsibilty as well as getting a walk in.

          With all that beaucracy you have to put up with, no wonder there are no volunteers!!!

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  14. rene

    It is articles like this that make me SO glad that I live in the country! Seriously we would all just take it in turns to do this. No vests, no paperwork and no insanity involved. I am truly blessed x

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  15. Sssssarah

    Wow, how times have changed!! I am a teacher in Canberra and a few years back we ran our walking school bus, 2 teachers would walk to meet local students at a designated area at a nominated time, wait 10 mins and then leave!! We didn’t have to fill in any forms or check anyone in!! I think the checking kids in is great but the other bits seems over the top!! We had a couple of parent volunteers but didn’t have anyone who would be put on a roster so our Principal made the great decision to use teachers- I loved getting in a walk before school and it counted towards my duties for the week!

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  16. Narelle

    It’s an interesting thought that we need volunteers to get our own kids too and from school ! Here’s a thought… they’re your kids, you chose to have them, how bout you put their needs before your career move and take them yourself !

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    • Lana

      Take your own kids to school… Do t have them if you don’t have the time

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      • rebecca

        I think you’ve missed the point of why the WSB exists. Parents still have to be at home when they’re picked up an dropped off. Parents who work will often ‘take their own kids’ to Out of School Hours Care. I don’t understand the problem you have with parents volunteering and trying to help out each other??

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    • She allen

      @ narelle, the brief case is always a priority over the child. That is why they are selfish

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      • Emma

        I’m sorry, but the briefcase feeds, clothes, and puts a roof over the child’s head. I think that’s a bit more important then the bloody Walking School Bus. Get some perspective.

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      • Caitlin

        How about we not call parents “selfish” because they either need to or want to work?!

        Without the Walking School Bus, parents DO still take their own kids to school. No one is suggesting otherwise. The point is that for a time-poor family with young children, that may mean driving rather than walking them to school. That doesn’t make you selfish! The WSB means that the kids get exercise and it eases traffic congestion (and accidents) around schools.

        It’s just a shame it’s so bloody complicated.

        I also think it’s a shame that we don’t teach children how to safely walk themselves to school any more. Obviously under a certain age, it’s not safe, but I feel that the age we regard them as competent has probably gone up since I was a kid!

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    • katehunter

      Narelle, of course the parents whose kids were on the WSB manage to get their kids to and from school – the ‘bus’ was just a helpful thing to them. It’s not like now they’re sending the kids in taxis (even if they are, they’re getting to school somehow) I couldn’t care less why parents put their kids on our bus – the post is about the red tape that puts people off helping.

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      • She allen

        Yes Kate, great idea, place your preppie in a cab, as long as they get there.

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        • katehunter

          As long as the preppie can sign the cabcharge account I can’t see the problem ;-)

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    • Cordeline

      Seriously? I really don’t like it when people say ‘you chose to have kids, deal with it’ or similar. It’s a crazy statement.

      Circumstances change in people’s live and they can end up having to rely on the assistance of other kind, community-valued people.

      And even if they didn’t ‘have to rely’ on those people, it’s fun sometimes to just get involved with your community, help each other out.

      What you’re suggesting is that families all just get on with their own business and not communicate or help each other. What a depressing, boring world that would be to live.

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      • rebecca

        Totally agree with you Cordeline. This article was about parents helping each other out and being part of a community but still some people manage to use this to have a go at working mums. It’s a shame that unnecessary paper work may discourage people helping out and creating a supportive community. I only hope that some of those nasty judgemental people on here take their own kids to school, only ever look after their own and never get involved in anything because I don’t want them around me or my child.

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    • AnotherMelB

      Wow – how did you manage weave the working v non working parent argument into this one? It’s completely unrelated and unnecessary!!

      There are myriad reasons children and parents might join in this activity – mum has a small baby at home, grandma can’t walk all the way, purely for the reason of encouraging independence in children and the art of using their legs, so they can see their friends before school……sheesh!!

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  17. Lucy

    Seriously, stupid vests, paperwork, parent-child rations….whatever happend to waving your kids goodbye at the door and letting them walk to school??? Or just going out and walking with them and picking up others along the way?

    This is insanity.

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    • katehunter

      Most of the kids on the WSB were little – Year 5 and under. We had lots of preps – many of their mums had babies and toddlers so the bus was a big help to them. Of course, bigger kids wouldn’t have been caught dead in a flouro vest. My son is 11 and walks himself to school.

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      • Caitlin

        Different definition of “little” to mine! The WSB sounds good but I would have thought this was aimed at kids in kindy to Year 2 or maybe Year 3 at the oldest. I’m surprised that kids as old as Year 5 would be using it!

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        • Kate Hunter

          Yeah, of the 40 ‘passengers’ probably 30 were prep to year 3.

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  18. anon

    I’ve been around preschools, playgroups and schools long enough now to know that there will always only be a handfull of people willing to help. And they are the ones who choose to be able to help. They will make sure they can. Everyone else just has excuses about why they cant and then complain about how they dont like the way its being done or how it doesnt suit their childs needs and it should be changed so it does. The excuses do make me laugh, because often their reasons for not being able to help (1 car family, 3 children, a baby, work fulltime, relatives from overseas staying) are no different to the people who are helping but the difference is they want to make it happen. If you dont want to help out just say no! And dont complain that what is being done isnt to your liking or your childs. Just be grateful there are people willing to help out.

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    • Wendy

      True, but I also found when i was on the kindergarten committee, alot of decisions were made, which were then kept “secret”, when there was no real reason to. More transparency would also help.

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  19. Anon

    With all the stuff going on in queensland at the moment this is the big issue? Redundancies on a massive scale, gay rights in question, cuts to arts funding, absolute arrogance with regard to disability insurance, possible closure of breastscreen Queensland. I used to love the MM followup to Q and A debates. You seemed to keep the discussion going. What happened?

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    • Mia

      Hi Anon, I agree there is a lot going on in qld at the moment but this is not a post about qld, it’s about volunteering, something that has national relevance.
      Where possible, we tend to focus on national stories rather than state based ones but we’re always keeping an eye out.

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  20. kitty

    Well i volunteer at playgroup as well as my older daughters school. i found it really upsetting that at a primary school of 700 kids they p&c has 10 members and the school counsel struggled to get enough parent reps. i am a sahm but most of the p& c are working mums ( no dads) this is my first year as my daughter is in pre school but they were very welcolming as they want parents to be involved. the school has only been open for 5 years i would have thought parents would want to have a say in how the school was set up. the reality is volunteers are needed to keep things running and if everyone did something then the job wouldn’t be such a big task.

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    • Anonymous

      Interesting that there are no dads in your P&C. My father was the P&C president a few years running when I was in primary school, although I suspect that was more his way of trying to fufil his love of politics rather than be involved in my life. I’d say there were AT LEAST 30 parents that regularly attended meetings, with 300 kids in the school I don’t think that’s too bad. I wonder why its changed in so much in 15 years.

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  21. Hamish

    Err, how about a bunch of like-minded parents just organise it amongst themselves and don’t involve the school, the fluoro jackets or the paperwork? Parents have carpooled for years, this wouldn’t be any different.

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    • katehunter

      Hi Hamish, of course that happens. My mates and I help each other out with pick ups all the time! WSB was about helping strangers’ kids too – people with babies in prams and cranky toddlers and jobs that meant getting to school to pick up was tricky. It’s a shame it got so hard …

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  22. Jess2

    I volunteer at a Ronald McDonald house.. They look after all insurance and I had to do working with kids and police check. It was easy admin. Children are always supervised by their parents, so I don’t worry about being sued or anything. I like helping and it’s walking distance so easy. My kids are not at school yet so can’t comment on school volunteering. This waking bus sounds great in concept.

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  23. Aly

    Wow Kate, I had no idea what was involved. It was great that you did it for so long. Did you do it every day? Kudos to you and the other mums if you did. It’s a big committment. My littlie is in prep, so happy to walk on the days that I can pick her up from school.II know they did try it for a little while, but only one day.

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  24. Mrs Pres

    I am the school council president at my son’s secondary school and I love the work and discussing the ins and outs of a huge school. But – the biggest hassle that council members are confronted with is the bullying by other parents. If a homework policy is not liked – complain rudely to council, if you missed out on being voted onto council – write annoying letters on a monthly basis and hassle everyone, if your child doesn’t hand you the notes about days off – grizzle to us at the supermarket. I am here to listen, but I shouldn’t have to feel unsafe doing it… should I?

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  25. Claire

    Personally I think the silliest thing about this is that kids these days are apparently incapable of walking to and from school on their own. Is it really necessary to bubble wrap kids to this degree?

    To answer the question though, the bureaucracy behind volunteering does put me off. I’ve been trying to get insured to do some volunteer work for the past 6 months. I still want to do it but my enthusiasm is slowly decreasing.

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    • Sharon @ Funken Wagnel

      In the towns I’ve lived in, it has been. In Sydney, we had a a child molested at the park right near our kids’ school who never got caught.

      In the country town we’re now in, we started letting our eldest do the five minute walk home until there became an issue with a bully. He kept following kids and the school bus home to bully them and beat them up. He went on to beat and stab a horse to death, he stabbed a person in town, he’s broken into the local club, and we’ve been warned he’s got the makings of a serial killer.

      Now, we only let her walk to school if this kid is in juvey, which is pretty rare and pretty short because of all his ‘rights’ and how hard it is to catch him. We live in a different world

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      • Sharon @ Funken Wagnel

        Walk home should say walk to school

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    • Caitlin

      I agree but the WSB sounds useful for small children who are too young to walk on their own. I think we should get kids competent at walking themselves to school reasonably early but I wouldn’t expect of 5-6 year-olds.

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  26. Ka-Pow!

    Before you go judging those parents who don’t volunteer at their children’s schools regularly or even ever, just keep in mind that many of us want to volunteer but work full time and just can’t do it. If we had the time we would do it. If we had a free, regular, trustworthy alternative to before & after school care for our child we would take it. But we don’t and that’s that. Not everyone has retired grandparents or other SAHM friends we can trust our kids with while we work to make ends meet. We don’t need more guilt from the mummy mafia (i.e. those mums who can & do volunteer regularly & are involved in the life of the school often) judging us for our apparent lack of interest in our children’s lives. Everyone’s situation is different so don’t judge us.

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    • katehunter

      Ka-Pow! I’ve got no problem if people don’t volunteer for anything. Truly, I don’t. My issue is with how hard it is for people who WANT to help, who HAVE some time, but red tape makes it all too hard.

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      • Ka-Pow!

        @Kate : My post was not directed at you, but at some of the other comments. My parents were not involved with my school life at all because of their jobs. Now a mum myself I always wanted to be involved in my child’s school life but, sadly it’s not possible. I wish it were different but when people make comments about ‘if you can’t do this or that for your kids, don’t have them’ etc. it makes my blood boil. I loved your article though & am saddened by the red tape preventing something fun & social like that from happening.

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    • H

      ka pow i was not being judgemental i work and study and have a partner that works night shift so he is hardly around i know how hard it is. but in my case at my school they have stated they are not interested or they are simply too busy not a judgement just a fact :) and i have noone to look after my kids so i definatly understand that one too.

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    • Anonymous

      the truth is though there are some people who don’t won’t to volunteer but can. whether they be SAHM or working. i am well aware of people who work bloody hard but still rock up for canteen duty and others who work part-time and never do anything.

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    • Mary

      I don’t think Kate’s post had anything bad to say at all about those who don’t volunteer. Her annoyance was directed at the paperwork required that is putting off those who do have the time.

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  27. k8e.

    that’s awful to hear!

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  28. Faybian

    I’ve volunteered to do stuff at my kids schools and activities on and off over the years.
    The last time I volunteered to do first aid at my son’s footy team I got passed over in favour of someone I had preceptored not long before. Oh, the irony!
    I did the readers for one of my girls in grade 3, long after the other parents had lost interest and the teacher was so grateful that she gave me a box of choccies at the end of the year for turning up regularly. Bit sad that. My youngest is in grade 3 and her teacher did not wish for similar help this time.
    I think too much burocreacy is slowly strangling volunteering.

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  29. Jackson

    I know that there is a great perception that we are more likely to sue these days, but I would love to see actually real statistics that show how often people who volunteer are actually sued for anything.

    I think that we would find that it is more a media beat up that makes us think people are being sued than it being the actual truth.

    All of this paperwork and insurance etc is just society gone mad.

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    • summers

      Yes, I would also like to know how founded this fear truly is. I know there is some protection under the Queensland legislation for volunteers but this is never mentioned in newspaper articles etc. I think the media have had a role to play in beating up the issue. Note: not this article, which is clearly expressing a problem with the paper work, not with the frequency of litigation real or imagined.

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    • maisy

      I work in a school office and although not many parents actually take legal action, the threat to take legal action is constant. Principals, teachers and administrators therefore have to have every i dotted and every t crossed for every school procedure from handing out bandaids (someone was allergic once and their parents sued) to having paperwork that proves that Grandma visiting from out of town actually does have permission to pick Joey up from school.

      Not many people sue. Many, many people threaten to as a form of intimidation. (And in my experience they are never the people who volunteer!)

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  30. alliekat

    oh wow – i thought that the point of walking school buses is that they basically went past your house so no dropping off etc – if u still have to go collect the kids from a park whats the point (maybe marginally closer?)….. strange – and yes what a shame all that red tape makes it such a nightmare!!!! no way would i want to do all that. what about just banding together with a few neighbours and doing your own school bus (off the grid, haha)!?: thats what i would do!

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    • katehunter

      Hi allicat, often a WSB is a door to door service – this one was to a park a few blocks from school – easy for parents with prams to walk to (my kids school is at the top of a hill) and with more parking. Safer and easier all round.

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  31. Emeri

    We only have the Walking Bus TO school. And thankfully QLD doesn’t have the rule about ‘passengers’ signing in. Or if they do, we are blissfully unaware of it. And if you are at the ‘stop’ when the ‘bus’ goes past, you join in. If you are not, you miss out. I love watching the cars stop/slow down/nearly have an accident to watch our Walking Bus. I think it is a great ad for our community focussed school and my kids love it. But if the paperwork was like Kate had to deal with, I would not bother. Why must rules kill fun???

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    • katehunter

      Hi Emeri, our WSB was part of a Brisbane City Council program. We were covered by their rules and insurances. They supplied vests, first aid kits, training, a leader’s mobile phone – lots of stuff. It’s great if you can handle the admin.

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  32. Sharon @ Funken Wagnel

    I think I prefer the way we do it here: walk or drive to school with our kids

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  33. another walking mum

    I am filling in the walking school bus forms as i read this…i flicked over to MamaMia for a breather…how fitting!!!

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  34. Kerr

    Also though, I should add, I’m a volunteerer. Always have been both here in Aus and overseas. I think it’s really important to get involved, it builds community and, someones got to do it so it might as well be me.

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  35. Kerr

    How fitting. Just yesterday the volunteer sea rescue patrols based in metro perth were told by the state government that not only did they not have insurance due to some technicality, but in fact, they hadn’t had it for a long time. Volunteer sea rescue is now suspended in perth unless someone is in dire straits then volunteers are heading out anyway WITHOUT INSURANCE!!! Lordy…

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  36. H

    the problem is due to criminal activity and insurances etc there has to be safe guards noone want the local peeping tom taking there innocent kids to school!! but on the other hand i myself have recently had to go through an induction to volunteer with people with disabilities because its the companies safe guard and i guess my own should something bad happen it does leave you feeling slightly uncomfortable your there to help and your treated like your almost not welcome. i also volunteer at the local kindy my son attends and they are crying out for parent helpers but everyone except a small few are to busy or to uninterested to help out

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  37. Marie

    I would rather volunteer. Its something thats always needed. Wow so much ring roll for a walking bus! I do 2 days a week on our school walking bus. The only thing owe have are vests, and a list of contacts! No paperwork etc! If we had to do that it would not work! Gathered we are in New Zealand at a small primary school but still!

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    • alliekat

      Ring roll? heehee thats cute! perchance do you mean ‘rigmarole’? :)

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      • Caitlin

        Given the other odd words, I assumed it was just auto-correct playing up and probably not Marie’s fault. My iPad turns my words into nonsense all the time. It’s kind of fun!

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  38. Mrs CK

    Gosh Kate my head hurts just reading that, no wonder you gave up after two years. I think the problem is parents are just too lazy these days – pure and simple. All this rubbish in the media these days about being ‘time poor’ and needing more ‘me time’ does not help matters. Get yourself off bloody twitter,the net and turn off the TV and perhaps some parents may be amazed at how much they actually get done. I also think that these days it is ‘trendy’ to pretend how annoying school parent jobs actually are or anything to do with school at all. I hear all the time ‘oh I am just not the tuckshop type’ um can you seriously not make a couple of sandwiches or pull some pies out of an oven – you do it for your own kids the other 4 days of the week?? again I think it is just laziness.

    Also how hard is it to take a morning off once a term to help out in your child’s class or do tuckshop even once a year, the kids love it when they see you there. ok rant over

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    • Hayley

      I think I love you, Mrs CK!! Couldn’t have said it better myself :)

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    • Rubbed The Wrong Way

      Wow, Mrs CK! I am reading this from overseas. Long-term expat, contemplating a move back home. But you guys, you scare me. Lazy parents? Not sure in what city in Australia you live, but if you lived in Sydney or for that matter anywhere else nowadays, I would say a lot of families would need both parents to work to afford a mortgage plus the escalating cost of living. I visit Australia often and I have lots of friends who are struggling and watching their pennies, and juggling. Yes, I can make a sandwich and breakfast, lunch and dinner, like a lot of Australian mums. But I would also need to work, like a lot of them, so cut those “lazy parents” some slack. So to be labelled a lazy parent, on behalf of all those parents who both work, is offensive. Give us a break.

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      • Mrs CK

        Pffiffle Rubbed. yeah I get people have to work, I know I do as do a lot of other parents but I just firmly believe it is down to laziness or just complete disinterest. cool each to their but I just get sick of hearing the same old line of ‘dont have time’ ‘I work’ blah blah blah. I sit down with my diary at the start of each term and pencil in dates to help out just the once or twice and I check it off with work to come in late. Out of an entire school year of 200 odd days I find VERY hard to believe you cannot spare a few hours??? I stayed up to 11pm the night before the fete making bags and bags of fudge and writing on the ingredients on teeny tiny bits of paper so what would be your excuse then eh?? I do it because I want my kids to see that I care about people and other peoples kids and I care about fundraising because it puts books on the shelves in their library and it air conditions their classrooms, it helps out the families who struggle to buy food for their kids.
        i sell tickets at school disco which is on a saturday what would your excuse be then? face it people just don’t want to do it anymore so yes I will continue to judge because ignorance from parents telling themselves that companies make more money than the fundraisers themselves or that their time is too precious are slowly killing school communities and the activities that our kids benefit from. period.

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        • Skom

          Your feet sure do love that soap box, I think you need to settle down.
          Take a moment to think about how the “Lazy” parents feel. Another fete missed because the boss wouldn’t extend a deadline by half a day. Another swimming carnival missed because clients need emails returned ASAP.
          Sure you stay up until 11pm making fudge, how do you know that all these “Lazy” parents aren’t wishing to do the same but might be struggling to get another load of washing done, paying the bills and god forbid they might be having some alone time to sleep and recharge their batteries for tomorrow.

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          • MissK

            Yep that’s me.
            I’m not going to justify why as I shouldn’t have too.
            Obviously you’ll never know what it’s like Mrs CK until you’ve walked in a very busy pair of shoes.

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            • Mia

              Mrs CK, I would very much like to buy some of your fudge.
              It’s my favourite. :)

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          • skelly

            Thank-you Skom! I couldn’t have said it better. I was actually a proud member of the WSB and I take offense to be labelled by Mrs CK and others as lazy? Quite frankly I can’t believe it. This is an article about how it’s becoming harder and harder for people to volunteer because of too much red-tape right? Good for you Mrs CK that you are able to volunteer for things. Please don’t judge people who cannot. The WSB was a blessing for me last year. I had a daughter in prep a 3 year old and a newborn baby. We were a new family to the neighborhood and desperately trying to figure out the best way to survive day to day with sleep deprivation and being just so busy with family stuff. The fact that I could pick up my preppie from the park without the hustle and bustle around the school, the kids have a bit of extra exercise and the parents could even have a chance to connect for a chat while the kids run off some steam in the park. I never once thought of any ONE of the parents who used the WSB as lazy and found the whole experience positive in so many ways. It’s a shame it has become so difficult for people to take over although when my kids are a bit bigger I hope to help other parents as Kate and Liz helped me and my family last year. I feel sad for you and your negative outlook.

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            • Mrs CK

              Whoa whoa whoa where on earth did you get the idea that I thought parents using the WSB are lazy??? re-read my posts and settle down. I think WSB are a great idea. Yes, Kate’s article was about the paperwork involved in doing it but really it was just as much about the lack of volunteers she needed to continue to do it after her co-organiser moved schools and once parents found out how it involved reneged on offers of helping out which is what my comments were directed at.

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            • katehunter

              This reply isn’t to you, Skelly but to Mrs CK – the thread had got to the point I couldn’t reply directly. Mrs CK, you have misunderstood me – my post was PURELY about red tape. We have no shortage of volunteers in our school community – kind, helpful people happy to lend a hand. It’s just that the law and insurances have made helping in an ongoing way too hard and too time consuming. I don’t mean to seem put-upon and I don’t for a second feel any families took advantage (your kids are at school for a LONG time, I said, don’t volunteer for ANYTHING until your youngest is in prep). I did bugger-all for years – then it was my turn! And I had the time to do it. Lucky me. No one reneged on offers – they just couldn’t commit when they found out what was involved. And fair enough too.

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        • Caitlin

          @MrsCK Other people may choose to help the community in other ways. That’s great that you are helping your kids’ school. Now how about you go volunteer in a nursing home, take in some foster kids, volunteer in your bushfire brigade, start a petition to protest against logging in Tasmania, start an online fundraiser to build a school in Cambodia, give half your money to charity, and spend Christmas working in a homeless shelter soup kitchen. Don’t you want to do some good in the world and show your kids that you care about other people? I mean really – if you don’t do all of those things, you must be a hideously selfish human being!

          What, you don’t have time? What are you doing wasting time on MamaMia then?

          Oh wait, you’re having a smug rant about how you are awesome and everyone else is lazy. Is being smug and judgemental really the role model you want to enact for your kids?

          Ugh.

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          • Mia

            Guys, let’s play nice.
            xxxxx

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            • Caitlin

              Righto. Sorry for perpetuating the nastiness. I had a really bad taste in my mouth from the tone of Mrs CK’s comments (attitudes like that would put me off volunteering much more than red tape!). I will try to rise above it next time.

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        • rebecca

          Maybe they just don’t want to volunteer because they just don’t want to spend time with judgemental people. I just don’t get the automatic link you make between working mums and lazy mums. I work and also volunteer when I can. I take those raffle books to work and harass colleagues to buy them, I organise a table for the quiz night, donate prizes, make costumes etc In addition to that my husband and I are teachers and ‘volunteer’ (work without pay, although it’s not exactly a choice) at our respective work sites for twighlight sports days, discos, graduations and concerts. Lazy parents??

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          • Mrs CK

            If you do all that , then great and my comments were not aimed at you so why are you getting all narky at being called lazy then??

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    • Kris2040

      Whils I agree that some people are just lazy, I think some compete for “busyness” and it’s manufactured. Some people just seem to love talking about how BUSY they are, when they’re actually not. Maybe makes them feel more important? Actually busy people don’t have the time to talk about it, because they’re busy being busy and doing stuff! And if it gets you down that much being so “busy”, do less stuff.

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    • G

      Mrs CK the problem with getting parents to volunteer in the school environment runs a lot deeper than ‘lazy parents’. Firstly, many parents do not realise the benefits that their children receive by seeing mum, dad or a carer helping out at school. They don’t realise that by volunteering they are showing that they value education will encourage students to also value education. Another reason that parents may not volunteer is that their own memories of the school environment may be negative and they may be apprehensive about entering that environment again. Thirdly, they may feel that they are not ‘good’ or ‘smart’ enough to help out in an educational environment. In conclusion, don’t judge other parents so quickly or harshly. If your school has problems with finding volunteers maybe you can do something about changing the school environment?

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      • Mrs CK

        G you have a very valid point and it is one I do absolutely consider, one of my best friends has very real social anxiety so I do know that those things do come into play for some parents but I do think it is a small percentage it affects. As other posters have said here, it is funny how the ‘oh I work and too busy’ brigade always seem to find the time to front up at school when little johnny is receiving an award at assembly or is an awesome little runner and is front and centre at sports days…just saying…

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        • Caitlin

          Right, because they want to make the effort and show their child that they care and are proud of their achievements. They can’t be at school all the time so they pick their moments. It sounds like these people have their priorities straight – good for them!

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        • Rebecca

          Working parents just can’t win! If they turn up to help celebrate their child’s achievement they get critisised because they only turn up for this, if they missed these moments they’d be critisised as well! You just don’t like women who work and it doesn’t really matter what they do. People like you wont be happy until every women who has kids is out of the work force, leaving a massive generation gap and skewed male female ratio in many occupations.

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          • Mrs CK

            I work too Rebecca 4 days a week actually if you actually read my posts properly you would have seen that.

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            • Rebecca

              Sorry, I re-read your post and noticed tht you do work. It’s great that you have a job that is flexible enough to let you have some time to spend at school. I also have a job that has a degree of flexibility however I know others who don’t, especially casual and contract workers who feel that their employment is very tenuous or don’t have understanding bosses. For a while I was in this situation and after a couple of years managed to get a new job. Sometimes people do have to just pick and choose the times they take off of work and I don’t understand why you don’t understand that those times would naturally be a celebratory moment in their child’s life.

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  39. Lynne

    Whilst I agree that the red tape of volunteering is becoming a nightmare I feel quite sad reading these posts. What happened to community & thinking of the needs of others? Is it all about ‘I’ or ‘We’ that we are teaching our children? One of the reasons I volunteer is to be a good role model. Not everyone is good at everything (I’m hopeless at baking so rarely do the cake-stall thing) but do try to play to my strengths. Parent groups at schools are not just about fundraising either; they are about being pro-active and getting change happening rather than complaining and they are about supporting the school in ways other than financially.

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    • Mrs CK

      Exactly Lynne, parents sometimes seem to forget that they are their kids role models and as seen below from comment – Alice – her parents never volunteered as they considered their free time too ‘precious’ to help out at school so she will not being it when she has kids, so the cycle will continue. Fundraisers do more for schools and their kids than simply raise money, they instil a community spirit and teaches kids to think of others besides just themselves. As you say as well I am a terrible baker so I make fudge in the microwave for the fete or I help out on the ticket desk on the school disco night it really is not that hard.

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      • Caitlin

        @MrsCK I want to be a good role model for my kids. They are not at school age yet but I hope that I will be able to volunteer for their school when we reach that stage as I can see a lot of benefits that would flow from that.

        I also hope that I can be a good role model by not being being tolerant and kind to others rather than self-satisfied and smug about what I do manage to do. Everyone’s situation is different and there are a lot of competing priorities when you are raising a family.

        Volunteering is valid but it’s not necessarily top of the list.

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        • Mrs CK

          Goodness are you finished slating me or should I scroll down for some more of your insightful comments about my life?? ha definitely no smugness here just hugely frustrated by what I see at my kids school on a weekly basis and it is sad for the kids because ultimately they will be the ones missing out when all these things start to close down. You will see that come the day when your kids ACTUALLY start school so until then maybe keep your silly assumptions about my life and what I am teaching my kids to yourself.

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          • katehunter

            Caitlin and MrsCK, my post is about red tape, not about who volunteers and who doesn’t. Let’s play the ball not the person etc etc :-)

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          • Caitlin

            It is definitely a shame that red tape is putting parents off volunteering, as Kate’s post says. It is also a shame that Mrs CK is frustrated by the lack of volunteering at her school – it’s a valid concern, but I did feel that her comments veered into judgment. It did tick off a lot of people; I wasn’t the only one.

            I’m sorry that I reacted badly. Let’s remove the part that is directed at Mrs CK and I’ll restate my wider point, which is that there are many aspects to being a good role model for children and that loving families have competing priorities. Lack of volunteering at school does not mean that they are disregarding the good of their children, the family unit, or the community.

            And please don’t suggest that my opinion is less valid because my kids aren’t at school yet.

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            • Mrs CK

              Caitlin, I think you will find from the thumbs up my comments received that more people agree with what I said than those who I ‘ticked’ off. Sorry but until you have kids in school and have first hand experience then I will not accept your ‘opinion’ of me thanks.

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            • Caitlin

              Amazing.

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  40. Cathy

    At my girls (aged 12 and 9) netball club, at registration time, we have the option to pay a $50 ‘ball fee’ or volunteer as coach, team manager or what-not for the season.
    I think it’s a fine and dandy option, and over the past few years I have taken both (paid up the money when I had a new born bub as cold nights at training dont work so well then). BUT – if everyone pays the $50, volunteers are still needed.
    I live by the thought …. amongst others …. that if everyone does a little bit, then no one has to do a lot. Sadly I think as I dont share this motto enough, it doesnt work so well :0
    Plus I am ‘not working’ …. read Not In Paid Work, am a SAHM and feel that I ‘should’ be volunteering because I am ‘not working’…. and that is a whole other discussion.

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  41. Alice

    I guess I’m quite lazy when it comes to volunteering. I’ve thought about it plenty of times, especially the Big Sister/Little Sister program because I like the idea of “changing” someone’s life which is actually not very altruistic at all really. Anyway, even though I like the idea of volunteering I just never do because while I do not live with my partner I feel like I spend all of my spare time either doing things with him or for him or for my friends or my family. So while I do care about the less fortunate people in society I just feel like I don’t want to give anymore because what will then be left for me? I donate money a few times a year to charities and for me that is good enough.

    I am not a parent but I don’t imagine being a canteen volunteer type. My mother never did any of those things and I was not one (nor am I still one) much for participating in those type of community/group activities. I would be more than happy enough to pay my money instead of helping out at the working bee etc. My parents view (as non-wealthy factory workers who worked 7 days a week and did not have money to throw around) which I agree with is that spare time is far too precious to wast it on school activities and if a bit of money means you don’t need to do it then so be it. I managed to turn our just fine never having sleepovers, going to school dances or sporting events.

    What a ramble and I sound like a grump –apologies I got my period today and am quite narky. My poor secretary (who is lovely) looked like she wanted to cry when I was telling her off this morning. Think I should leave early today and stop inflicting this on the office!

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    • Kate.

      probably a good idea Alice, you sound quite mean… my parents were always busy and would give up other things after work to help out where they could… yours…well… yeah, you can tell where your attitude came from sadly.

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      • Freja

        Well aren’t you lovely!

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      • Caitlin

        That’s just mean, Kate. Alice showed a bit of vulnerability and admitted to some of her own shortcomings and what did you do? Jumped on her weakness and trampled her. Way to go!

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  42. Lisamarie

    I soooo hear you. My pet hate – the note to donate products, the raffle book to sell (to myself – no family nearby, friends all have the same tickets to sell), to win something I don’t actually want. Last year I really did just donate $10 to the easter raffle – school secretary almost beside herself when I told her I would not be filling out the raffle tickets – a bunch more Easter Eggs to toss out?? No thanks!
    I have been lobbying for a fundraising levy at school for years – but our Principal can’t bring himself to cut the P&F Association – despite the fact that they are struggling for numbers. Time is the biggest factor – most Mums work, hence the number of volunteers is limited.

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    • Anon

      A levy is a great idea – at our school we have one, but here’s the rub. Only 20% of parents contribute and those contributions in no way match what a P&F can raise. Being actively involved with a P&F, it is really difficult to get parents involved, and unfortunately this comes down to a few very busy parents doing everything, and getting burned out in the process. The sad fact is our public schools don’t receive sufficient government funding for things they need – so there is a need to raise the funds. But how to get parents into it when more are working, and I also think, many are apathetic and make the excuse ‘its for the stay at home parents to do they have more time than me’. First, !!!!, and second, actually at our school half of our P&F might be full time mums but the rest are working full or part time – and they all find the time. I’d love to hear suggestions on solutions.

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      • Hayley

        I would love to hear about solutions to this one too as our school is currently deciding on this one. After ringing around and begging just to get a quorum for the last 6 P&F meetings, we are now at the point where 3 people are organising our major annual fundraiser which really needs about 15 helpers :( We finally have the principal on board with the levy idea, but we realise that not everyone will pay it and we are going to be down by thousands of $ every year. How do other schools manage this?

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        • Just a mum

          Our school introduced the levy – before my time. There’s still an awful lot of fundraising though. Get a bit sick of it when it’s the same people chipping in all the time. On the up side, it’s a great way to meet other parents.

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        • Mrs CK

          Dont’ do it Hayley! You will get even less help from other parents and not a lot of people will pay the levy as it is anonymous. You are better off to ask for time when the event rolls around rather than ‘cash’.

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      • perspective

        I don’t have any solutions sadly but thought telling you my experience might help…

        My daughter started prep this year and I had anticipated joining the p&f once we’d settled in. Then the first newsletter came home with meeting minutes and the meeting had closed at 11pm. There is just no way I could commit to that on a monthly basis and still function as a sane mother.
        Then, the fete rolled around which is a massive affair at out school. I had an idea for making these decorations I’d recently made a pile of for my sisters wedding and which were selling for $30 a pack at spotlight (i could male 100 for $50 dollars in materials). But I received a lecture from the president about how it is more about building relationships than fundraising and I should join the craft ladies every Thursday morning for next 6 weeks and see what I could help with.
        I did volunteer aty daughter’s class’ stall and participated in the other activities (raffles etc).
        To me the p& f seems quite intimidating and I feel as though I will be sucked into a vortex of intense all-consuming volunteering. I think this is where this idea that one is or isn’t a ‘type’ come from. I wish there was a way to break the tasks into smaller more efficient groupings so parents could get involved with one or two aspects rather than the all or nothing type approach that seems to happen.

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        • rebecca

          The key to a good parents’ committee is a great chairperson and time keeper who can keep the points of order on time. Too often meetings are used for people to take up their personal issues.

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  43. mscate

    I run a not for profit (Green Renters) and you have to have insurance for EVERYTHING even when there’s no kids involved. We work with lots of people living in different rental accommodation from diverse backgrounds and cultures and we had the idea of running a soup making competition. Cheap, easy to cook and eaten by every culture. Once we looked at the legalese it just became too difficult. Despite having three types of insurance ourselves just to be in operation, every participant would have to have done a paid accredited safe food handling course. The issue of how to transport the soup without risking contamination was insurmountable and then of course, finding a suitable venue… Sometimes having initiative is just plain hard work!

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  44. Betty Boop

    Making a donation instead of engaging in the fund-raising activity is right up my alley. Especially when it comes to those ridiculous fund raising things like: pie sales, chocolates, cookie dough, lamingtons, etc. I flatly refuse to buy any of them and I wish schools would stop sending kids home with either the products themselves or an order form. I’d much rather make a donation to the value of the items I didn’t purchase. And I suspect that the companies peddling these goods make far more profit from them than the school raises in funds.

    It’s capitalism gone mad! Which is also the root cause of the over-commercialisation of all after school activities and the rise of a litigious environment and the spreading disease of insurance. Which is also why school kids are playing sport in the lunch hour any more. When I was at school we played soft ball at lunch time. Yes, occasionally (seldom) someone would sustain an injury – like a softball bat to mouth or a softball to the head. But sustaining injuries was all part of growing up.

    As for labelling the ingredients on home made cakes – how ridiculous and a waste of time. Ingredients should only have to be listed on home made goods sold at fetes if they are claiming some special status like ‘gluten free’, ‘egg free’, etc.

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    • Mrs CK

      You sound awesome Bette! Here is an idea why don’t you get yourself on the P&C and ACTUALLY find out how much these fundraisers make for the school before you label them a waste of time hey?? or maybe speak to a mother of a ANA child and find out how sick their kids can get if school bake offs are not labelled properly and then maybe decide if it is ‘ridiculous’ and a waste of time??

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      • Wendy

        Quite frankly I suspect if you have an ANA child you’re really not likely to participate in purchasing the baked goods because of the risk of possible cross contamination/ mis-labelling.

        Chocolate drives also irritate me for the same reasons it irritates Betty Boop. I know how much it makes the schools – I’ve been on committees too, but I see it as an exercise in cynicism by the chocolate companies. They are not discounting the product to the schools. I’ve always donated the amount it would have cost me to buy to wretched product (which we otherwise would not have eaten). I have less issues with the order, then supply companies. where you are not compelled to make what feels like a compulsory purchase.

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        • Mrs CK

          No, I have no ANA kids and nor do any of my close friends but I have seen a reaction at my daughters pre prep group last year and it was terrifying and having to console the kids mother for a while when she arrive at the kindy was awful. I heard first hand the terror a parent who has an ANA child feels on a daily basis, so it really gets my goat when I hear of people who complain about labelling of food supplied at school as ‘ridiculous and a waste of time’
          Plus the choc companies are a business and need to make money as well or do you think they should just donate the goods for free??
          Quite frankly getting annoyed at chocolate school fundraisers and labelling it as capitalism, um reallly?? You both need to chill out and not over think some things

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          • Wendy

            I have no problems with the chocolate companies making money – what I object to, is that the prices the schools actually paid was a retail price, not a wholesale price. Capitalism is one thing. Price gouging is another.

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      • Betty Boop

        I do have an ANA child and believe me when I tell you that no thinking parent of an ANA child is ever going to allow them to eat home cooked food purchased at a school fete.

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  45. Miss Brown

    I’ve noticed a disappointing trend in lack of volunteering. Things like our local playgroup and little athletics are under threat because they can’t get enough parent volunteers. It seems like people want the convenience of these things but its all too hard to pitch in and help run it. Such a shame, the kids are the ones who miss out in the end.

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    • Wendy

      Yeah, the first time I saw half the parents from Little Aths was at the end of year prize giving….

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  46. Jayne

    Bahahah! I would have died of embarrassment if my Mum or a family friend had walked my friends and I to school in that vest!

    Luckily I have a twin brother so he and I walked each other to school sans parents from about year 3 onwards.

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  47. Carisma

    Unfortunately people happily sue over accidents (although understandable people would do if their child was harmed or put in danger) so paperwork is a fact of life! Surely parents would rather know the people involved in a volunteering such as the above example would be glad to know the person doing it has been informed of their responsibility and is ensuring all children are accounted for? Volunteering and being resposible for others’ safety is not something to be taken on lightly.

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  48. Just Saying

    That gave me a headache just reading about it. What ever happened to personal responsibility rather than trying to assign blame to someone else if something goes wrong?

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  49. Amandarose

    I am more informal- I live opposite a school and am happy for friends to drop them off and I will walk them.
    I refuse to be scared of litigation. Not letting it cramp my style.

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    • Rebeck

      Good for you – unfortunately, schools and other organisations (yes, including libraries) can’t afford to risk possible lawsuits, and have to do what insurance companies, lawyers, and upper management require of them.

      In the case of the walking school bus: the school is legally responsible for the kids _until they are in the charge of their parents_. Hence all the signing off. And as much as I’m trying to think of other ways that the liability issues could be dealt with, I can’t right now, and I assume that the school council and other responsible authorities tried as well.

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      • amandarose

        I completley understand- my comments were in regard to people being afraid to watch others children in case they are sued.

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  50. mummamoo

    Cake stalls drive me bonkers. If I forget and all I have in the pantry is packet cake mix, then do I list “White Wings Chocolate Cake” on the label, or do I copy their ingredient list and leave parents/teachers wondering where I found the maltodextrin and the homogenised corn powder in our small-town IGA?
    If all I needed to list were the high risk allergy items like eggs and nuts I could manage.
    I used to volunteer and be a comittee member for our local Playgroup. Now with all the internal conflict I dont even take my kids! Much easier to rock up at the park and see who plays with them while I drink my coffee and yell at them to stay away from the road!

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    • Jane DJ

      I just cut out the packet ingredient list and staple it to the box

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      • Denise Duffield-Thomas

        Genius!!

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      • Betty Boop

        What about the things you have to add to packet mix?

        Like eggs? Milk? Butter? Oil?

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        • Anonymous

          cut out another piece of paper and write those things on them. stick it to the box

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