by HELEN RAZER
Back in the mid to late nineties, I was relatively famous. Oh. I know. I know. That’s a petty, unbecoming claim and one I would not dare to make were it not for the fact that it is both (a) true and (b) information necessary to the unfolding of this story. A story, by-the-bye, that ends with me not being famous at all. Obviously.
Stay with me, here. I promise this story has a point which is neither me nor my yawning lack of fame! This story is about another girl. We’ll get there.
When I was twenty-one, I landed the kind of job that exists more in teenage imaginations than it does in the actual world. I became a broadcaster on the ABC’s FM music station, Triple J. A fan, a show-off and a chatterbox, I couldn’t have dreamt of a job more suited to my otherwise useless talents. I talked non-stop about rock for a living.
Every life has its moment of perfect combustion; that white-hot time where you find yourself ideally suited to your environment and your era. This was mine. “Indie rock”, as we called it then, became immensely popular and so did the people associated with its dissemination. So it was that a loud, frequently unpleasant and elitist young feminist who dressed EXACTLY like Courtney Love ended up in all the women’s mags and frequently drunk on television panel shows calling people “sexist” and “racist” for no good reason.

Helen back in the day….
Look, I’m certain I was annoying. I was under-informed and over-exposed. I fired ten-dollar words like bullets from my MAC-red mouth and I disagreed with everyone on principle. I can say with some confidence that I would have found me annoying. People didn’t have social media as a means of critiquing the “top down” media back then so I get that some young people would have felt frustrated revulsion for this smart-arse apparently “representing” them and the music they loved. I get it. I do.
But, I didn’t really “get” the jar of urine appended with the anonymous note “Die Slut” that arrived one day in the mail. I didn’t really get that men I’d never met yelled at me to tell me that they wouldn’t find me worth raping. I didn’t get that one stranger had a world view so shattered into pieces that all he could see was some luminous version of me. The better known I became, the more brutal the attention became. It reached its perverse acme with the stranger.
The stranger pursued me for months; maybe even a year. He spent most of his days in and around my office waiting for a chance to hold me. He was, as a doctor who had committed him to the psychiatric care from which he often fled told me, “delusional” and, as such, was utterly sure in his belief that I was his wife. His wife, apparently, whom he had wed “in a special place”. “A special place”! My life was beginning to feel like a cheesy daytime thriller. Radio Horror: The Grunge Rock Stalker Story.
To cut a long story short, he broke out of the psych unit, lied his way in to my workplace again and embraced me. I then lost my shit for some time.
Now, I’m not telling you this story to tap your sympathies. First, on a global scale, my experience of harassment was quite manageable and, fourteen years later, I’m fine. Second, I spent much of my late twenties in a very public posture of sympathy-tapping. I told My Story of My Stalker to magazines, newspapers and television programs. Here’s a hint: if you want every over-50 you meet to look at you as though you’re walking pensively in a drift of meadow-grasses, DO agree, as I did, to appear on both Australian Story and Sixty Minutes. Otherwise, I can’t recommend the experience.
I don’t like to recount this stuff. Not the years of death threats, vicious insults or the very persistent, very unpredictable stalker. Moreover, I don’t like to talk about the way I “dealt” with it. Or, rather, didn’t. But I’m moved to talk about it all because of – here she is finally – that other girl. I want to talk, in as much as I can, on behalf of Charlotte Dawson.
To be clear, I don’t know Ms Dawson more than the merest bit. I have interviewed her and once she gave me the number of a FABULOUS makeup artist but beyond this, I have neither knowledge of nor personal interest in her current fortunes.
What I do have, however, is an interest in compassion. I’d like to see people with a little more of it for Charlotte and I think I am uniquely placed to foster this understanding. The criticisms I have noted of Charlotte in recent days are so similar to those I once heard.
The most insistent advice-slash-criticism Charlotte has been given is to “just ignore it”. I remember this; in fact, I heeded it. I did ignore the urine. I did ignore the jibes about my lack of “rapability”. For months, acting on advice, I ignored the stalker. Thanks to my studied ignorance, two things happened: First, I wound myself into a knot of fear from which it would take years to unfurl. Second, the police were annoyed that I’d let the situation fester.
Of course, the credentialed psychologists who use the Internet (i.e. busybodies) think that Charlotte should just “ignore the trolls”. I’m afraid this makes me sarky and mean.
Is that the case, Dr Conflict-Resolution? Was it years of study that led you to this conclusion? What a shame that this view is not supported by anything but your very nosey nose.

Charlotte Dawson on 60 Minutes
When you’ve had your life upturned by violence or its threat, then come talk to me about ignoring it all. Trauma has its own logic. Sure, Charlotte’s management of her tormentors may not have been executed according to the Psycho Handler’s Handbook. But it wasn’t particularly inflammatory. She didn’t “ask” that threats be made against her life any more than I called up Curious Gifts and said “Send me a jar full of urine and a note that wishes for my death! Send it right away!”
The other common volley at Charlotte speeds along the lines of, “Well why doesn’t she just turn the computer off?”
Does anyone genuinely believe that a death threat – however it is uttered – can just be switched off? Even by a media-savvy, confident loudmouth bitch.
I was told a thousand times to forget about the stranger. To turn him off. I couldn’t. Before I could forget him, I needed to learn everything about him. I sought his name; his date of birth; any fragment that would help me make sense of a puzzle with me as its unfortunate clue.
I needed to stay vigilant. Or, my fighting animal did, at any rate. Certainly, there was no real point in me calling the police, my employers or the psychiatric unit where the stranger was held over and over again; it was like I was hitting “refresh” on a browser. I had to stay “connected” to the movements of my attacker. I thought. I was acting from instinct. I am certain Charlotte has felt a little like that in recent days.
There are other questions about Charlotte’s behaviour, too. If she was legitimately anxious, why did she talk to media? If she is REALLY so cut up about a little thing like a death threat, then WHY does this “alleged incident” coincide with the launch of her book?
As for the latter question, I’d like to say WHAT THE EFF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Instead, I shall say that Dawson always has something to promote. Of course, her hospitalisation was going to coincide with some professional obligation because she is a single woman who has worked without pause her entire adult life. Furthermore, being of my vintage, Charlotte knows that “breakdown” and “stalker” publicity is that rare kind of bad publicity. She’d only have to check my press clippings and subsequent disappearance from the media landscape to work than one out!
And to the former question, and all of them really, I’d say this: there is no correct way to respond to ugly, unsolicited threats. In fact, if this had happened to you, you could very well find yourself in a corner throwing your own poo at passersby while singing the hits of Nicki Minaj.
Terror has its own logic. I hope, in or out of the spotlight, you never have to learn its terms.
And I hope that somewhere the daughters that Charlotte and I never got around to having are preparing to enter a world where loudmouth ladies are just loudmouth ladies and not women who asked to be beaten down.
Readers seeking support should contact Lifeline – 13 11 14 – or Beyond Blue.
Helen Razer is an occasional broadcaster, frequent writer and incessant yabber-pants. Follow her on twitter @HelenRazer or at Bad Hostess
This post was originally published here and has been republished with full permission.







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Thanks for that update! I’ll give her your Twitter handle.
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context is everything. Personally I hate trolling as an activity, but I get why people do it. Trolling is now an international phenomenon. It’s a way of kids venting their anger and frustration. I’m not saying ignore death threats, and I’m not saying don’t complain. But I am suggesting to all who put an opinion into the public domain to expect it. To trolls its a game, and if you truly want to stop them learn to play it.
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Geez, is there no compassion left in the world. Very, very disheartening.
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Off topic, but Helen, pleeeeease get yourself back in the ole wireless! At least write some more.
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My ‘day job’ is an online marketer, having a profile in the online marketing community has meant that I, along with my colleagues, are subject to ‘troll’ behaviour from time to time.
Our rule of thumb is simply to delete, and not give them any air space, so we certainly do not engage, and they do go away. In our experience.
After hearing, via online & offline media reports, what was going on for Charlotte Dawson, I took a look at her Twitter page to get a better idea of what this troll behavior looked like in her instance.
I was sickened to my stomach. Both that she had been subjected to it, as whatever you may think of her, no one deserves to be on the receiving end of someone else’s vitriol (in my world view).
And I was disturbed by how many very damaged and hurt/angry people there are out there that feel the need to project onto her.
As (again in my world view) generally we only look to hurt another when we are hurting deeply within ourselves (I am not referring to people with medically diagnosed issues – though I would think they were also in pain internally as well). And sadder still, is that people don’t always realize the extent of their own personal hurt, as they’re so busy blaming or hating everything external to them.
To project such negativity on another, in any degree of force, is when we are hurt (anger being a mask for hurt).
Even the woman-in-question’s comment that she ‘deserved it’ or ‘could handle it’ (or words to that affect – I don’t have the quote with me) because she was ‘white, well off’ etc. Something towards that sentiment. Demonstrates a deep resentment towards others who appear ‘successful’ and have physical differences to them.
I think the issue is way deeper than what has gone on with Charlotte Dawson (who I don’t know personally, or follow professionally). She is an unfortunate casualty of a ‘dis-ease’ that seems to be growing in magnitude, globally, passed on from generation to generation.
Or maybe it’s just it’s more in our face because of the online world…
Personally I subscribe to a belief system that ‘like attracts like’, that if we focus on the negative, we most definitely experience the negative. And I advocate Gandhi’s ‘Be the change you want to see in the world’. It seems to work for me in my life, but I am sure ‘experts’ or ‘commentators’ could find hole’s in it
If I could wave a magic wand over the world it would be to heal people from their internal emotional pain as much as their physical ailments and inject more sunshine into their eyes. And understanding that I do not have the a said wand to wave (I’m sure I’d use it too for some creature comforts for me and my nearest and dearest
), and my life is my responsibility, I do my best to be the person I am happiest being, and look to leave people with a positive experience with me.
I don’t think Charlotte Dawson has taken up that positioning of ‘love all, serve all’ for herself, so maybe in some people’s mind’s she’s setting herself up for negative feedback. Personally, I still don’t think it ever justifies the degree of pure hate and vitriol she had projected onto her.
The problem in my mind is with the people who feel the need to say that stuff. And they are also responsible for what comes out of their mouths, or fingers and should bear the consequences. For me, not engaging is my strongest weapon, and if it is behavior that is emotionally or physically threatening, then I call in the authorities without hesitation. Charlotte made a different choice, and whilst it doesn’t appear to have worked for her, I will never feel there is any justification for her having been on the receiving end of what she has been.
I appreciate my views may well not be shared by others. I enjoyed Helen’s perspective very much, appreciating her candidness about her own path & experiences along that path.
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“Personally I subscribe to a belief system that ‘like attracts like’, that if we focus on the negative, we most definitely experience the negative. And I advocate Gandhi’s ‘Be the change you want to see in the world’.”
LOVE this. And it’s true. If you go looking for the worst, you will almost always find it. Sometimes we do go looking for it, and in hindsight can see the error of our ways. Not always easy to focus on the positive, but we should at least try. Half full vs. half empty etc.
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So well said Carosmile – we need more people like you in the world!
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Charlotte exacerbated the situation by retweeting the abuse. What was the point of that? It just made it get out of hand. She really could have dealt with that situation better.
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Oh Helen, how I loved you on JJJ and I loved your book with Mikey 3 Beers and a Chinese Meal and still have it proudly on my bookshelf.
This is a wonderfully written piece and I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.
I completely agree with the commenter that has requested many more articles by you.
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I wonder if u ever consider getting back into regular radio or tv broastcasting. I hope so, you have been terribly missed by one fan here.
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This woman at work told everyone I was sleeping with a married man with four children and one on the way. I reported her, tried to ignore her, tried to ignore the angry angry wife and the even angrier brother. There was nothing I could do but wait for it to fade away, however, this was SO HARD because a town full of people I was once friends with now wants my hung at town hall.
That guy was simply nice to me at work, and vise versa, and the women I worked with turned out to have anxiety and depression. Her life is ruined, that marriage is ruined, those kids are going to grow up with trust issues, and I am hated by an entire community for something I didn’t do.
The people who troll, and bully just like in school, having bigger issues than we can ever imagine. The urine guy and his time in a mental asylum says it all.
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Sorry for my shitty grammar and spelling. I’m study, procrastinating and eating all the same time.
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I am so sorry that happened to you shellystone.
I was also bullied at work – and realise it can very suddenly happen to ANYONE, just like illness can strike with no previous signs. It changes your life completely, regardless of how ‘strong’ or ‘nice’ you are, or how well you have always gotten on with everyone you’ve ever met. If you’re targeted, you will suffer.
Nobody deserves to be ganged up on by ‘pack mentality’ followers, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY HAVE DONE WHAT THEY’RE BEING ACCUSED OF.
You didn’t deserve this treatment whether or not you made the choice to be with that man. How people can judge so harshly and throw stones in glass houses is just beyond me. Who is perfect?
I hope you have begun to heal and surround yourself with people who are enlightened enough to rise above the pack mentality.
Best wishes to you.
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Helen – you were annoying but we still liked you and respected you. I hated that an awards show that I had you as a presenter you used all sorts of nasty swear words. You brought along your Nan who was in the audience – and I was amazed that you would use this language in front of her – but that was who you were and I understood that.
No one wants to have weird stalker people. In my early 20s I had some nut-job that broke into my house – didn’t steal anything but spent a long time cutting the crotch out of panties and bits out of where my nipples probably were in my bra’s. For ages I had to save to buy new clothes for the ones he destroyed. I developed a relationship with the local Mosman police constables that were often called when I often spied MY Peeping Tom – a man of small stature who kept my short time in that suburb in utter hell – I was always looking over my shoulder.
I feel for Charlotte but Yes I am going to say, shut them out, block them and don’t open up you Twitter account. Especially don’t read these comments when you’re (and she said this) drunk after coming home from a Waterford Launch.
Social Media is often not your Friend so use the delete key.
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Bullying in any form is absolutely disgusting. I think Charlottes methods of “fighting back” to the trolls are unconventional and maybe not the best strategy, but obviously it is her way of winning the war and it may just discourage other trolls saying disgusting things in her page.
Following the 60 Minutes interview I must say I do smell a rat, it just seemed this was a great dirty plug for her new book.
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Dear Mia,
From the bottom of my heart please may I respectively request that we have a sh_tload more of Helen Razor. Please, please. Her words are unsanatised, raw, insightful and generally just bloody clever. She is one cool cat, a true Rocker and I want more. So much more.
Love your site, am a loyalist and read you every day. Keep up the awesome work and more Razor pretty please! xx
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agree x 10000000
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“Does anyone genuinely believe that a death threat – however it is uttered – can just be switched off? Even by a media-savvy, confident loudmouth bitch.”
So true. Well written post!
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Oh Helen, how I have missed your intelligent views on life and the universe.
As a fellow member of Generation Bum I was so thrilled to read your words again. I had no idea what you had been through with your stalker, and I often wondered why you disappeared from the public eye.
I pulled out my well worn copy of “Three Beers and a Chinese Meal” last night and remembered why I loved you so much in my 20s.
MM can we have more of Helen PLEASE?
On the topic… Whilst I dont condone what has happened to Charlotte, I think bullying and stalking are two different things. And like everyone else Im sick of reading the media about this too.
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I listened to you religioulsy on Triple J through my teens and always thought you were so cool. This just takes that coolness up a notch. Good on you for saying it how it is (not that this would have been hard!) and for spelling out in simple terms how many of us are also feeling about this attack on CD.
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All I can say is:
1. As with almost any animal, if you feed a troll you will attract more looking to be fed
2. If you feed a troll when you know you are being trolled, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to be upset about it when you knew all along they were doing it to purely to get a reaction from you. Don’t play their game and they lose. Play their game (and take it to heart) and you lose.
3. God help Charlotte Dawson if she ever joins 4chan.
Sidenote: I draw a distinction between cyber-bullying when the person targetted doesn’t know they are being trolled (or the victim is a child/adolescent/memorial page), in which case that’s truly horrible, and when the person is an adult and knows they are being trolled. I also draw distinction between actual stalkers and internet trolls, who typically have very different intentions and reflect very different levels of actual threat.
But that’s just my opinion. A key factor influencing my position is that she knew she was being trolled. If she hadn’t known, my position would be different. I suspect my opinion on this is reflective somewhat of my age and social circle – my friends all view this incident in the same light I do, but I can understand that people who have had different life/internet experiences would view it differently.
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Helen Razor. I am trying to make this sound as un-stalkerish as I can…. but I had forgotten what a legend you are. Power to you sista!
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Wow, look at all the comments blaming Charlotte. Can’t believe we are still blaming the person that got the death threats! Is this another women hating women thing because we can never have each others backs???
I don’t particularly like Charlotte and because of that I never watch any show that has anything to do with her, I don’t follow her on twitter and I won’t buy her book! So I really don’t know much about her, but from the snippets i have seen on ads etc on TV it appears she often plays the opinionated bitchy person.
So in response to this please see notes above re not actively seeking her out in the public arena.
But no one ever deserves to be sent messages telling them to kill themselves. I don’t care how much you dislike someone, you never tell them to end their own life. This is disgusting mob mentality and another sign of just how much our society has degraded. We are no longer responsible for our actions and think that sharing our hate is an acceptable thing to do. Sit back in your chair and send off hate messages and pretend you are not accountable for them. Wake up everyone it is NEVER ok to tell anyone to end their life. If you don’t like someone, don’t actively seek them out, pretty bloody simple. Charlotte is mostly a TV personality, if you don’t like her change the channel!!
You never have the right to send a message or a tweet telling someone to end their life. Have a look at yourself and spend some time trying to work out where that much hate can come from for someone you don’t even know. That may be a more productive way to spend your time.
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Well said. I thought we had moved past blaming the victim. A woman wearing revealing clothes is not “asking” to be raped, just as Charlotte is not “asking” to be abused. Charlotte’s actions do not make the trolling OK or acceptable.
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Why is it victim blaming to point out Charlottes less than exemplary track record of doing the very same thing?
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.
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First, I was actually referring to the many posts here and comments in other media this week that have actually blamed Charlotte – it’s her fault for not just getting of twitter, what does she expect when she responded to the trolls etc.
Second, although I am not on twitter, from all of the media reports and comments this week I have not seen any evidence that Charlotte does the “exact same thing”. I’ve seen references to her making less than nice comments about others, but there is a WORLD of difference between commenting on someone’s fashion choice and telling someone to kill themself or that they deserve the fact that they can’t have children. Those comments made me feel sick.
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Noone can deny, bullying in any form is insidious. The difference here is a) Helen you are and have always been a wonderfully informed, intellectual and non-egotistical contributor to the mediascape (and dearly missed on radio/TV) and were an innocuous target b) Ms Dawson is the poster child for self agrandizement on the social media platforms. The woman is the face of a vacuous TV show where she bullies young women and by all accounts here enjoys doing it online as well. What does she do for the mediascape besides whore herself onto any show that will have her contribute an ‘opinion’ no doubt cobbled from the hours of reading other people’s blogs? Has she put a book out on the empowerment of young women and/or a ‘how to’ on avoiding bullying in the media? No, its a book about – oh wait – herself. I would love to feel sorry for her but the woman clearly hates herself enough to continually distort once was a – no question – beautiful face and drag herself through the press mud for the sake of a bit of attention or ‘validation’, without the rest of us giving her another column inch of pity. I agree with eb, I’m sick of her and bundyjacs, you’re right, people need to get out more.
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Most people who are abused/victimised just want it to stop. They do not want retribution or compensation; they just want their life back. After 2 years of waking up every to face the humiliation of false accusations of crimes I did not commit published all over the internet and at the top of a search for my name, coping with harassment (the webmaster passed on my login details, my phone number was published on the false material), leaving a tenured position in an area I loved (jumped before I was pushed), and literally BEGGING (on many occasions) the website and Google to remove it (and hence make it stop) I sued for defamation. How did this happen? Well, FYI, it is all explained here: http://www.civilination.org/blog/defamation-victim-janice-duffy-phd-says-online-complaint-sites-can-ruin-peoples-lives/
After the first media story (in ‘The Australian’ last November) I was attacked on a website in response to the article about my case. I was called a ‘c#*&’, ‘retard’, ‘crazy bitch’ and mocked by so called internet experts who said they provided services for businesses to increase their web presence. In other words their business revolved around Google. If my statement that I was abused by ‘professionals’ seems incongruous consider that one of the trolls that abused a woman in the UK for liking a reality show contestant is a cop!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2194950/Nicola-Brookes-Facebook-Officer-arrested-case-mother-subjected-months-online-abuse.html
The comments disappeared once I explained Australia’s defamation laws to the webmaster and offered to instruct my lawyer to explain them if they did not believe me (since the comments on this website said I was devoid of any intelligence). The comments were mostly positive after the second media story probably because the troll cowards decided not to take on someone who may take legal action. In fact, I believe that this was the only reason the nasty comments on the media articles were minimised.
If this seems like I have found an easy solution (litigation) this is SO not the truth. The material remains on Google (Bing/Yahoo removed it) as the case chugs through the long and arduous legal processes. Google has employed two law firms and are trying to break me rather than spend 5 minutes removing the material. This is a common tactic employed by media organisation to make ordinary people ‘go away’ if they sue for defamation. The whole process is indescribably gruelling.
Apart from the financial issues I have become isolated to the point that in the middle of winter I went interstate for 48 hours rather than attend a party (I had run out of excuses to not attend social gatherings). I ended up walking around on a Saturday night in the pouring rain because the hostel in which I stayed was cold and loud. I sat on a bus stop in the city and just cried! I found a movie theatre (to escape the rain) and cried. I can remember incidents from when I was a toddler (more than 50 years ago) but I cannot remember the movie that I saw that night.
Google have lied and manipulated and tried to drag out the case. In fact, a few months ago I was awarded 95% of my costs because, even though the case has not finished the court agreed that the defendants should not have tried to avoid filing a defence (a common legal tactic). This decision is in the court record. Although my lawyers are winning, there have been many nights I have curled up and wished I didn’t have to wake up in the morning. There have been many (early) mornings which have found me calling Lifeline just to ensure that I DO wake up in the morning. Like anyone who has suffered from depression and/or the effects of humiliation and abuse I can say from personal experience that Ms Dawson’s hospitalisation had NOTHING to do with her book release.
My situation is not uncommon. Since I started my blog I have been contacted by people all over the world who have also pleaded with websites and the search engines to remove offensive and defamatory material without success and requesting and then pleading (just as I did) over and over again. Some of these people are mothers asking how they can get offensive webpages and blogs removed from the search engines. These mums scour the internet trying to find a way to contact the website and/or search engines to remove vile material written about their teenage MINOR children by some nasty little delinquent kid who, in all honesty, will probably grow out of it rather than grow into being a stalker. However, the public nature of the abuse means that the victim suffers even if the abuse stops.
The problem is that the websites are hosted outside Australia and Google simply sends a canned response referring the request back to the webmaster who, in many cases, refuses or ignores the request. I have a large file of rejected removal requests and others tell me that they contacted Google more than 30 times without success.
One mother in the UK recently contacted my blog and said that she had been trying for over a year to get a webpage on a Google blog removed and she was terrified because her child was turning 18 soon and she was afraid they would lose the minor status as one slither of hope to get it removed. I might add that this bullying garbage was published on a Google owned blog. During this period the Google lawyers were telling the Leveson Inquiry that they comply with the law with respect to takedown requests. This is a lie!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9041695/Leveson-inquiry-Google-asked-to-remove-dozens-of-web-pages-for-national-security.html
It takes webmasters and the search engines literally a few seconds to remove material that may save a life. Google boast that they have removed almost 6 million links to date (in 2012) in response to DMCA takedown requests. Yet they bleat about ‘freedom of expression’ in response to removal requests which, if actioned, may save a life.
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/copyright/
Debates about the takedown of offensive material have been going on in Australia for literally years. Abbott has backtracked from his ‘freedom of speech’ stance of a couple of weeks ago and stated the obvious:
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/cyber-attacks-should-be-taken-down-abbott/story-e6frfku9-1226462189339
In addition to pleading with the search engines I (and others) have been lobbying politicians from all parties for 2 years over this issue. We have contacted the ACMA. In one case I actually reported what I believe is a sex ‘snuff movie’ on a well known website with a target demographic of 18-24 year old males (and yes, I have the data to prove it). I was told by the ACMA that action would be taken. It has not been removed. I have sent notification of extremely sick race hate material to the ACMA. They read the email (I know because I tracked it) and I did not receive a response. Other Australians victimised on the same website as I have contacted Google then the ACMA, their MPs, and the Federal Police. The material remains online. I have documented all this and offered to send it to politicians but they have not replied because I am not an important person.
Hopefully Ms Dawson’s situation has gone some way to put the issue on the public agenda. The reality is that reports of the effects of cyberbullying on non celebrities just don’t have the impact. Sociological theory tells us that the way to force governments to act to change corporate practices is to make private problems into public issues. Maybe down the track Ms Dawson can look back and see that some good came out of the events of the last few days. I hope so because, unlike the trolls and those who criticise her, at least she stood up to be counted. She may not be perfect but she may be pivotal in saving some lives.
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I’m so sorry you are going through this, I really hope you get a resolution soon x
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Thank you jenlol, your kind comment means more than I can ever express
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Re. all the people who relate this to teenage bullying: CD is not a teenager, she’s a grown woman with a deal of life experience behind her, and a demonstrated toughness of personality. Whatever the truth of her situation, it is not comparable to that of a young teen still working out who they are.
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I think the point of the comparisons are that if an adult woman with the emotional and life experience tools at her disposal can’t cope with online bullying and social media hate campaigns, how can we expect a teenager at one of the most sensitive and uncertain times in their lives to?
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I’m sorry, but while I feel sorry for what happened to both Charlotte Dawson and Helen Razer, the comparisons Razer makes in this article are nonsense.
Firstly, to compare what happened to Razer (a sustained and wilful campaign of stalking) to what happened to Dawson (a flood of mean-spirited but ultimately cheap and effortless insults) is ridiculous. It takes five seconds for some idiot to type hateful Internet comments from behind the veil of anonymity. It takes much greater amounts of spite and effort to send jars of urine.
Secondly, I’m not convinced that Dawson was actually subject to death threats, by the literal and legally binding sense of the word. “I know where you live and I’m going to kill you” is a death threat. “I hope you die” is a puerile insult. Dawson has been upset by them, and understandably so. But they are not death threats, and to suggest they are is disingenuous.
The misogyny argument is also flawed. Doubtless some trolls are woman-haters and may be driven by that. But to advance this as a male vs female issue is nonsense. It’s about identity, anonymity, power and the Internet. Teenagers victimising each other online is a similar, though much bigger problem than celebrity-trolling. And if media reports are to be believed, it’s girls who are driving that, not boys. It’s also worth noting that the person originally tracked down by Dawson was female.
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I think Charlotte is confused about the definition of the word “bully”, By her definition, she doesn’t think she is one.
I have news for you Charlotte, your past actions are those of a bully and while it doesn’t mean what happened to you was ok, it does mean that perhaps some Karma was involved here.
I still don’t believe you when you try to justify why you kept reading the hate being directed at you, hour after hour, it makes no sense.
I also don’t believe that were as affected by it all as you say, if you managed to pull yourself together enough to conduct an interview with 60 Minutes, it just doesn’t sit right with me and countless others by the sounds of it.
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Helen, I listened to you a lot. I like/d your punk-arsed take on the world.
I regret that a sorry bastard got you down.
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Hi Helen, I know I’m chiming in a bit late here – I have nothing to say about Charlotte – but I can’t let this opportunity pass without saying how much I loved listening to you in the early 90′s and how shocked I was when you left Triple J. I remember hearing something about a stalker and how you suffered from extreme anxiety. It was such a shame and a huge loss to the media industry and Australia. I think a lot of fans wanted to contact you back then with messages of support. All the best, hope to hear more from you x
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Couldn’t have said it better Mich. The upside of social media is that if it was around back then we could have given Helen ( non-stalker) fan support. I hope you write more often on here Helen it’s awesome to read your opinions again!
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So she won’t be giving up her career over this!! But contemplated taking her life….really? Good luck with the book sales.
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I`ll wait til the book is in the 20c bin at my op shop in a couple months time
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In summary: I don’t know too much about the Dawson’s Creek lady or the trolls that live under the bridge, but what I’m gathering from these comments and a few of the links posted is that although unacceptable what happened to Dawson, she had previously been dishing some unacceptable stuff out previously – behaving like a troll perhaps? (Or have I got the meaning of trolls completely wrong?)
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Not sure who you are Helen, but great post. Gave me another perspective about how hard it is to ‘ignore’ this stuff (what the heck to I know, I’m so thin-skinned I can’t even use a ‘name’ when I post).
When sixty minutes and CD just came on (my sister works in television so we had to watch) – my partner came in for 5 seconds, asked who she was and what she did, watched 10 seconds of her interview, then left announcing he was sorry, but she can’t make a living playing the hard ‘bitch’ on TV then expect anything but a barrage of abuse from lunatics on the net.
So easy for some. I’m not so thick-skinned. I get it. Thanks Helen.
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I couldn’t believe what I was seeing on 60 minutes. The audacity. This was a stunt, I said it before and this ‘interview” confirmed it for me.
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Sorry Charlotte , this seems all orgestrated to me. A new book ….
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I’ve been reading your comments over the past days, pennypacker. I cant fathom your pain and I pray I never do. I didn’t watch 60 Minutes, neither do I tweet or follow CD in any way.
The info provided by other comments confrms my personal dealings with her decades ago. She surrounds herself with sycophantic henchmen and heaven help you if you don’t genuflect before her.
I agree, the smell of rat is very pungent.
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Funny most posts here are in favor of Helen and not the “victim” making true victims inferior.
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60 minutes true to form speculated sensationalism & not the FACT there has & will be a spike in suicide attempt. Ms Dawson I do not condone the acts of the trolls, but if you expect me not to believe this was not a calculated publicity attempt from day 1 (re tweeting/outing) to appearances on The Project etc to the ever predictable “you win”, I hope for every person who copies your appalling example you lose 10x in book sales. The people who really feel the effects of bullying have no one to speak with, often broke with few options, seriously NOT U. Grow up or leave the lime light.
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My family had to turn off Charlotte Dawsons interview, because we were all getting angry at how ridiculous this media manipulation of hers is getting. I know for a personal fact you are not allowed out of pyschiatric lock down, particularly after trying to commit suicide! for at least 37 hours. So for her to be able to take a “lethal” dose if tablets and do an interview that afternoon… I don’t know about you, but i would be doubled over in my bed…. just saying
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37 hours? WHERE? Mental health systems in this country are a complete shambles. You’re lucky to get in and get some help – let alone stay there. I work with unstable clients, half my life is spent on the phone trying to get them in – anywhere!
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where did you get 37 hours from? In QLD you can be held for 8 hours for assessment then a further 3 days after that based on assessment outcome. Then you can be involuntarily made to be an inpatient as long as needed. But 37 hours is a random amount of time?
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In Victoria you can be admitted as an involuntary patient and that status is reviewed after 24 hours. If you no longer meet the criteria (there are 5 of them) for an ITO, you are changed to an inpatient on a community treatment order and able to discharge yourself whenever you like. If the ITO status is not changed to a CTO at that point in time, you will generally be sectioned for 3-4 weeks until the prescribed course of treatment is completed.
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I am one of those who know nothing of this Charlotte Dawson women. However when Helen Razer writes I will read, think and then often act/change/think differently based on Helen’s words. Once more Helen you incite change within me and as such am no longer indifferent to Charlotte’s plight. From hence forth I will be more compassionate towards others in such difficulties. Helen you rock
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I’m sick of Charlotte Dawson too, just watched 60 minutes and she’s a very boring vain woman. I don’t know her background – she used to be a model? Tonight she just kinda seemed tragic. Should retire from the public eye for herself and for the rest of us as well.
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Oh Helen! I hated that you disappeared from my life. Your voice reminds me of early morning drives to Uni, listening to the likes of the pumpkins, beck and Custard. You may have been under-informed, but so was I – we were in our 20′s, of course we were – so you were my voice, warts and all. In my opinion, no one’s been your match on jjj since (I’m almost 40 and still listening).
I saw the Australian story Or 60 mins thing on you years ago and my husband and I jumped when we saw you on tv – it was like reconnecting with an old friend for both of us. I’m so glad to hear that things got better because we were gutted to hear exactly why you had disappeared.
Your article did actually make me reassess my thoughts on the whole Charlotte Dawson situation – maybe I needed to hear something sensible on the subject from a trusted voice.
Missed you Helen! I still think of you and that interview with Beck anytime I eat an iced Vo-Vo (the kids like them).
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Yeah, everything you said! Thanks Helen. I remember the morning kurt cobain died, you handled that so well. None of us are perfect, we all start out thinking we know it all.
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Never seen so many likes! Helen you are loved, come back!
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Helen didn’t completely dissappear. I’ve been loving your articles in The Big Issue too Helen!
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Since writing my original comment I checked out Bad Hostess and twitter for the first time to follow Helen, although at this point most of it is incomprehensible to me as I’m clearly not au fait with tweeting language @#! Made me feel a bit of a stupid dinosaur actually.
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No offense intended to Helen Razer, but geez I’m sick of reading about the Charlotte Dawson thing. Yep, feel sorry for her but it’s already been said, and said, and said.
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Oh how excited I was to see Helen Razor’s name! You were a breath of fresh air and honesty back in the day. I totally disagree that you were annoying. Great to read your opinion on a situation I don’t really know much about. Would love to see more pieces from you Helen as I am bored with the way most of the media reports and tired of a world obsessed with celebrity. We need your voice again gal!!
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I LOVE YOU HELEN!! I spent so many happy happy days listening to you and Mikey Robbins on Triple J. Great memories, always wanted to say how much I missed you.
p.s Kick ass writing as usual.
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1. Real life stalker and urine delivery = real life crime. My sympathy to HR.
2. Online stalking = harmful and damaging only if you are silly enough to stay connected and read/embrace/wallow in it.
3. (Stay with me): Lara Bingle ‘nude balcony shots’ scandal the same week her new show launches?
4. Charlotte Dawson new book OUT NOW – what if someone dreamed up a little publicity nudge?
Not saying the whole drama is a publicity stunt. Perhaps it has now spiralled out of control. But how did this thing blow up from a relatively tame twitter exchange? Answer – CD took the reins and ran with it. Media picked up the story and the rest is history.
My opinion is changing about this thing. At first I was sympathetic to Charlotte but all the info coming in has me getting more cynical by the hour. Look forward to revelations on 60 Minutes tomorrow!
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Well there WAS just a really interesting post on here detailing a little more about what happened on twitter the other night. shame it has gone.. I had thought to copy it…. . Why did you take it down MM??? It was pretty crazy,but gave an old Gen Xer like me an insight into a side of the internet I had no idea about!
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Sarah
I deleted it because it was grotesque hate-speech that doesn’t deserve a platform.
Bec
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Thanks Bec. Completely respect your call on what is on the site and not. But don’t you think it was a pretty revealing insight into the sequence of events?
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Oh Bec, you sweet thing.. thank you.
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Oh Bec, butter would not melt
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Love your work bec ! You are a ray of sunshine x
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Are you talking about the horrid things Charlotte said on Twitter about other people?
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The worst thing about your situation Helen was that as a result of your incredibly painful and scary experience, you left radio and young radio announcers such as myself who WORSHIPED you were deprived of your talent and your confidence. You stood for something…it meant the world to young girls like me. I hope you write more.
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While it must be undoubtedly weird and at times difficult to be a public person, this isn’t a fame or tall poppy syndrome issue. This type of event happens to ordinary Australians often, particularly teenagers. What happened to Charlotte isn’t very different than when a teenager at school says or does something polarising or unpopular and is then bullied mercilessly online. I really hope this event leads to discussion and action on how to treat others online and how to manage online abuse and bullying.
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Excellent, excellent post, Helen. Many valid points.
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Great post.
Get well Charlotte
Rock on Helen.
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Thanks so much for sharing, Helen. I am so sad for you, not an easy time. As for Charlotte, too many times I`ve seen her start the arguments, feed them and then retweet to make herself look like the hero, feeding her ego. Many times she has had the choice to just let it go but nope, not while she has her followers/audience. It`s not a game, nobody knows who is really on the computer, what their mental stability is, whether they`ve taken drugs or have drunk alcohol and are not thinking clearly. As a High Profile person, she should set an adult example, it`s not comforatable for anyone, the abuse directed in both directions, there are no winners. She had a choice, like we all do, she wasn`t tied up and forced to read the abuse. I believe she was ready for another night of getting the trolls only this time it was more vicious. Don`t play with matches and you won`t get burned. I blocked Charlotte a few months back because what I saw between her and her game playing with trolls disturbed me, it wasn`t pleasant reading. I think people who spend way too much time on the computer, with twitter and facebook and who can`t enjoy the lighter bits, should give it away. Nothing better than real friends, fresh air and living life.
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Yeah, really well said Bundyjacs. I couldn’t agree more.
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I too sympathise and empathise with you Helen (after being on air for 7 years of breakfast radio myself I know too well the nutjobs and evil people you can encounter) and you are right, you don’t just “get over it” or even learn the skills to cope with what is all too often completely unwarranted and unprovoked abuse.
What I am disappointed about with this story is it hasn’t been reported truthfully giving both sides of the story. I feel for you as you weren’t an antagonist and you didn’t bait people to get a nasty reaction. The story about Charlotte is regrettable on many levels but especially because she was doing exactly what the people who were flaming her did. I’m not lacking in sympathy for her current plight but it’s certainly diminished somewhat due to the fact I don’t believe she wasn’t, in some way or other, an orchestrator of this sorry saga.
Always love your writing and clear perspective on issues. I also love the stance you frequently take on Twitter when things are getting out of hand. If only Charlotte had a Helen on her shoulder when this all blew way out of control.
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“The story about Charlotte is regrettable on many levels but especially because she was doing exactly what the people who were flaming her did”
Fairly certain Charlotte did not:
1. Continually tell someone to go hang themself
2. Tell someone ‘no wonder your husband hanged himself’
3. Send photos of mutilated and chopped up bodies of children to someone
Sadly I think a lot of people are missing the whole point of Helen’s article.
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Well said L… there are an awful lot of people saying Charlotte has given as good as she got in the past.
This is so blatantly untrue it’s ridiculous. Charlotte received a lengthy, sustained and unbelievably cruel attack on her personality, her physical appearance and her inability to have children amongst other things. She may have said some nasty and unwise things in the past but she has never done anything to anyone that remotely resembles the barrage of abuse she received last week.
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Can I respectfully suggest you google Charlotte Dawson and twitter and bullying and read the articles and then come back and discuss it with me further? There are two sides to every story.
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Thanks for the support Miss Finance!
Torster – I have done so, and my argument is not at all that Charlotte is perfect (who the hell is, anyway?) but for one, I still think there’s a BIG difference between her sometimes bitchy tweets, and what she was subjected to that particular night. She’s made some insensitive and unfortunate remarks at times (I’ve seen the tweets, I’ve seen her on Australia’s Next Top Model, etc) – but still nowhere near the level of abuse she copped. Not even close.
But at the end of the day, what I think or what any of us think of her is irrelevant – none of it justifies what she experienced. I wouldn’t wish that kind of thing on my worst enemy! No one deserves to be relentlessly attacked like that – and it all says a lot more about those doing the attacking, than it does about her.
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Awesome post, Helen. We’re the same vintage – loved you back in the day and love you now.
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What a heartfelt post Helen. How traumatising. I hope it has been cathartic for you to write about it, and send positive vibes your way.
On the Charlotte Dawson issue, I agree that a more balanced report of the events needs to be published, handled in a sensitive manner of course and not diminishing the fact that she is clearly suffering and in a bad place.
I began following Charlotte after the #GoHangYourself comment but before the worst of it unfolded. It really happened in stages, an escalation which culminated on Wednesday night.
I just wanted to point out that on Monday night, during Big Brother, Charlotte selected a number of people from the #BBAU twitter stream and sent them a funny anti-bully picture. Some of these people werent ‘trolls’ in the way I have come to understand that term. In my view, she really didn’t need to do this. She says she was sticking up for Sonia Kruger and merely using humour to combat vitriol, but surely she is just amplifying the circle of negativity. It was during this stage of the saga that she engaged with someone who from what I could see, was intellectually impaired or mentally ill.
I do not believe that celebrities should take on trolls in a public forum, because they have no idea who they are fighting. (As well as the numerous other reasons such as not perpetuating the cycle of abuse, not feeding the trolls, etc. etc).
I think it started getting quite bad for Charlotte on Tuesday (she retweeted & engaged with trolls all day) and then she spoke about it on TV all Wednesday. Then after the TV appearances, the trolls just went nuts and it reached breaking point.
I don’t think the story has run out of steam yet. I think there are developments to come. There are rumors of an interview with 60 minutes which will only strengthen the publicity stunt theory.
But in the meantime, I am pleased that a spotlight has been turned on trolling. A discussion will hopefully lead to some positive changes. On the other hand, I am worried that this has created more trolls. More negativity in a world that has enough already.
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I cannot believe how many people must have failed to do their jobs, over and over, for this to have happened to Helen. How did he escape so many times? Why did secuirty at her workplace fail so miserably? Unacceptable for this to have hsppened to the point of such an emotionally scarring incident. Just glad you are back.
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Those were my thoughts too – how could security at a radio station be so lax?
Just awful.
Megan, MM Moderater/Intern
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A great read. I’m so sorry you had to go through any of that, Helen. Makes me feel sick.
People can be dreadful. And people HAVE been dreadful to Charlotte. I am not surprised she ended up in hospital. When I saw the awful retweets it made my skin crawl, I can only imagine what it would feel like to get them. A woman with a strong, opinionated way of dishing out her truth is one thing. Death threats and cyber bullying are a COMPLETELY different thing. Saying she was asking for it is abhorrent.
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Oh hi you awesome singer
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We miss you, Helen.
The internet is a place where anyone can have their say. Sadly, a select few choose to use their powers for evil and not for good. If I’m in need of a good chuckle I go to the Daily Mail website and read the comments. Boy, do those people get their knickers in a twist. Witness the comments section here, for instance. I’ve seen posters get chased around by one anon after another, not engaging with them on the content of their posts but being spiteful. If you watch for long enough you can recognise their posting style. Is that bullying? I think it is. When people are chased around by posters who do nothing but leave inflammatory comments for them that’s harrassment. It’s done to belittle. It’s done to upset and anger the person. It’s done to stop them from posting. To shut them up.
Now, sometimes I think people are talking out of their arse (and yes, people think the same thing about me) and it’s tempting to tell them that. But there’s a difference between saying ‘I disagree because….’ and saying ‘shut up’ ‘you’re stupid/petty/drama queen’ etc, all of which I’ve seen here.
What’s this got to do with CD? Not much, I suppose. There’s a lot of angry people out there with angry words and they’re happy to let anyone have them.
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Helen , sometimes when I read your work I get overwhelmed at how bloody smart you are and feel hopelessly inadequate! Great piece.
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