The school funding report many have been waiting years for is finally here.
We discussed the fairness of spreading the wealth between independent and public schools on Friday, but what do the experts recommend? A panel headed up by businessman David Gonski has reported back today on the huge changes Australia needs to make.
And he asks, won’t somebody think of the children?
The biggest, most obvious, message from 319 pages of the report is this: funding should be delivered where it is needed the most.
You can read the full report here but if you want a quick summary, paraphrased, this is what the report has to say:
1. Funding arrangements for schools across Federal and State Governments are too complex and lack transparency.
2. The ‘traditional’ role of one set of government (state) funding public schools and the other (federal) mostly funding independent schools is divisive, the report says.
3. Many schools, particularly in the Government sector, lack appropriate capital expenditure.
4. “The panel believes that a significant increase in funding is required across all schooling sectors, with the largest part of this increase flowing to the government sector due to the significant numbers and greater concentration of disadvantaged students attending government schools.”
5. The panel recommended a new ‘Schooling Resource Standard’. This standard would provide for per student amounts (for both primary and secondary students) at a base rate with additional loadings/funding that would take into account things like socio-economic status, disability, English language proficiency, particular needs of Indigenous students, school size, and school location. The standard would also ‘recognise that schools with similar student populations require the same level of resources regardless of whether they are located in the government, Catholic or independent school sectors’.
6. While this standard would fully fund public schools, the report says: “In the non-government sector, public funding would generally be provided based on the anticipated level of a school’s private contribution. The private contribution anticipated for a school would be initially based on the socioeconomic status (SES) score of the school, reflecting the capacity of the school community to support the school. Work would commence as a priority to develop, trial and implement a more precise measure of capacity to contribute. Some non-government schools would be fully publicly funded where they serve students or communities with very high levels of need, for example, special schools, majority Indigenous schools, and remote ‘sole provider’ schools.” So ‘Australian governments should base public funding for most non-government schools on the anticipation that the private contribution will be at least 10 per cent of the schooling resource standard per student amounts’.
7. The report suggests public schools should look for private donors as well. “There is also potential for all Australian schools, especially in the government sector, to connect with philanthropic partners to deliver time, money and expertise to schools. Nationally, better arrangements are required for schools and donors to make these connections.”
8. “The panel recommends the establishment of an independent National Schools Resourcing Body that will form the core of the governance necessary to ensure that funding for schooling is provided in a way that maximises its educational impact.” This body would be responsible for keeping the per student funding figures updated and ‘aspirational’.
9. To do all of this would cost $5 billion. In 2009. “On the basis of the determinations made by the panel for the purposes of the modelling, the results indicated that if these arrangements had been implemented in full during 2009, the additional cost to governments would have been about $5 billion or around 15 per cent of all governments’ recurrent funding for schooling that year. Based on its current proportion of total funding, the Australian Government would bear around 30 per cent of the increase. How the additional cost is actually borne will need to be discussed and negotiated between all governments.”
10. “The panel accepts that resources alone will not be sufficient to fully address Australia’s schooling challenges and achieve a high-quality, internationally respected schooling system. The new funding arrangements must be accompanied by continued and renewed efforts to strengthen and reform Australia’s schooling system.
Australia’s schools, government and non-government, should be staffed with the very best principals and teachers, those who feel empowered to lead and drive change, and create opportunities for students to learn in new ways to meet their individual needs. Classrooms should support innovative approaches to learning, not only through the curriculum, technologies and infrastructure, but also through the culture of the school. Principals and teachers should encourage a culture of high expectations, continuous learning, and independence and responsibility for all students. They should also forge connections with parents and the community, as key partners in children’s learning and attitudes to school. For these practices to be championed in every school, the Australian Government and state and territory governments must continue to work together, in consultation with the non-government school sector, to progress the current school reform agenda. Australia and its children and young people, now and in the future, deserve nothing less.”
11. What is that per student funding figure, then? No one knows yet, but based on 2009 figures: ‘it would be $8000 for primary students and $10,500 for secondary students, based on the 2009 year’.
12. “From 2014, non-government schools should be funded by the Australian Government on the basis of a common measure of need that is applied fairly and consistently to all.”
13. Governments should move away from funding targeted programs and instead ‘ensuring that the states and territories and the non-government sector are publicly accountable for the educational outcomes achieved by students from all sources of funding’.
14. What is best practice? The Review says 80 per cent of schools should be above the NAPLAN minimum standards. Currently only 16% of schools are above that mark.
The Gonski Review report opened by setting the scene in Australian education:
“Overall, Australia has a relatively high-performing schooling system when measured against international benchmarks, such as the Programme for International Student Assessment. However, over the last decade the performance of Australian students has declined at all levels of achievement, notably at the top end. This decline has contributed to the fall in Australia’s international position. In 2000, only one country outperformed Australia in reading and scientific literacy and only two outperformed Australia in mathematical literacy. By 2009, six countries outperformed Australia in reading and scientific literacy and 12 outperformed Australia in mathematical literacy.
In addition to declining performance across the board, Australia has a significant gap between its highest and lowest performing students. This performance gap is far greater in Australia than in many Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries, particularly those with high-performing schooling systems. A concerning proportion of Australia’s lowest performing students are not meeting minimum standards of achievement.
There is also an unacceptable link between low levels of achievement and educational disadvantage, particularly among students from low socioeconomic and Indigenous backgrounds. Funding for schooling must not be seen simply as a financial matter. Rather, it is about investing to strengthen and secure Australia’s future. Investment and high expectations must go hand in hand. Every school must be appropriately resourced to support every child and every teacher must expect the most from every child.”
Schools Education Minister Peter Garrett said:
“If we are going to do well as a country in future, particularly in a century where we are seeing our Asian neighbours both prosper economically and do well educationally, then we need to really be clear about what’s needed to help Australian students be the best they can.
We will receive Mr Gonski’s recommendations and lay out a pathway of what we think the appropriate actions to respond to what he has recommended. That is going to be a complex and exacting task.”
But what is the Prime Minister’s official take?
Ms Gillard said the Government would be there ‘with its sleeves rolled up’ to help Aussie students perform better, but baulked at some of the proposed funding increases. This on the Herald Sun:
The Government said it will consider the proposals, but has already ruled out a significant expansion of the Commonwealth capital funding role.
“In some areas, the Australian Government believes that the scope of proposed new funding contributions may be too large,” the Government’s written response said.
It’s early days, but what do you think?







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So the government thinks that the suggested funding increase ‘may be too large.’ It’s hard for me to fathom that a government can not think investing more money in education is an excellent idea . ‘A 10% investment in teacher effectiveness would lift Australia’s students to among the best performing in the world, and add $90 billion to the Australian economy by 2050′ writes Dr Ben Jensen in the Sydney Morning Herald on Monday the 15th Nov 2010. Money has to spend where it will have the best outcomes for students, and that is of course on teacher effectiveness. All the studies show it, we all know it, now for the sake of our children and Australia’s Gross Domestic Product, let us get on with it!
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Well said!
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This is completely different to the route that a lot of the replies have gone down but this article got me thinking from a different perspective.
A thought occurred to me this morning when I was watching a brief news report about our standards slipping…
Is it possible that part of the reason that our outcomes are slipping because we are getting too soft on the subjects that we are expecting our kids to learn? I could be completely wrong, and am ready to stand corrected (because I left high school quite a while ago, and don’t have any high school age kids so am not up to date with the subjects they teach there), but around the time that I left school they seemed to be starting to ‘dumb down’ the subjects. The core subjects were no longer core subjects (maths, english, science etc) and you didn’t even have to enrol in all of these ‘basics’ to get a HSC. You also didn’t learn about ‘history’ in the younger high school years – you learnt about only a particular branch of it for the same amount of the school year (and this was well before you got into the later high school years where you were able to select between different parts of history, eg ‘ancient’ etc). These are just some of the examples that stick out most in my memory as being some of the big differences between the high school education program on offer when I completed it and what my younger sibling had been offered just three years later.
I realise that the vast majority of people do not excel at (or particularly enjoy) every subject. I just wonder if sometimes kids should be basically told to ‘suck it up and learn it as it is good for you!’. Do you know what I mean? It just strikes me as being a little on par with the advice that you should be a parent not a friend to your kids – when did we decide that we needed to be all cuddly (and only offer ‘interesting’ subjects even if they weren’t particularly useful) to the kids just to get them to learn? Are they at school to learn? Or only to feel good about passing what the generation before us used to call ‘bird’ subjects that don’t necessarily have any real relevance?
I know this is going to sound harsh, and may be completely incorrect (and out of date) – I will be interested to read any replies any would like to contribute? It is just something that occurred to me – if we don’t make the kids learn maths, how can we be surprised if they have lower maths literacy than they should have? Am I way off the mark? Or is it possible that I might be even a little on the right track?
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You’re right. Which is why I totally support NAPLAN which gives us a snapshot of the nation on one given day of literacy and numeracy standards.
However, I will now cringe and take cover as there are many NAPLAN objectors on this site who cry foul and say how does NAPLAN testing account for creativity, imagination and the like.
Well…as you said it Mum of 2…core subject are the core subjects. Without these basics, all the creativity in the world won’t get you a career or even a job.
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I’m okay with NAPLAN, but I believe test results should not be used as selection criteria by principals of middle and high schools. It happens all the and the practice should be prohibited.
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By the way, I should mention maybe one of the reasons I am probably thinking about this is that I recently heard from another parent (who have kids in high school) that they are changing schools because the school they attend have realigned the available subjects so that all of the more ‘academic’ ones (like physics, maths, chemistry etc) are all on the same ‘line’ making it impossible to study mostly academics, and forcing the kids to take subjects that are more ‘sporty’ or ‘entertaining’ (their words). I find this pretty sad that this school seems to be actively discouraging the kids from heading in an academic direction!
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I don’t know that’s such a bad thing. And I’d suggest that “academic” is in the eye of the beholder. Some people don’t think that even high level English is academic, because it’s just pissing around reading books and talking about them. Stuff like Society and Culture, or PDHPE can be highly academic, even if they sound a bit soft.
And I think rounding out education is a good thing, rather than coming out of school only knowing maths and science and not knowing how to write well. I actually think the yanks have a better idea of everyone doing everything as a way to counter that. Like how they do more generalist stuff then go to eg Medical school after their more generalist degree.
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I think the difficulty was that for the kids who wanted to study, for example, a science degree, they would not be able to with the subjects on offer (as they would not have met basic entry requirements for the university course). They were forced to change schools so that they could choose the career they wanted. This has always happened for various careers of course, but to now be happening to someone who might want to be a future doctor, or scientist? The people that we apparently want to be the ‘bright future’ of our country (that this article is saying that we are lacking in)? Something seems to have gone wrong when a school is making an active decision to make it impossible for someone to go down the academic route – they weren’t just creating more rounded humans (I agree by the way that it is equally important for someone to experience maths as it is to study English – Drs, for example, need to remember that they will be dealing with people, rather than just some bacteria in a petri dish!). The school were actively making it impossible for their students to gain entry into a course which had basic requirements of things like chemistry, physics, and maths.
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There is too much empahsis placed on philanthropy. Donations are not intended to replace government responsibility they are precious gifts designed to fund specific projects above and beyond core operating costs. There is currently a review of the medical research sector underway and the same theme is emerging. Donations should help fund the sector and provide leverage for other funding.
We are all forgetting that it is up to the donor to determine where their gifts are directed and how they will be spent. It is not up to governement policy to dictate how philanthropists
should direct their generosity. I know Mr Gonski is a genrous donor to many causes but he is hardly representative of the general population. I think it is a cop out to expect donations to fill the gaps and itis highly disrespectful and insulting to donors.
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To all those bleating about under paid teachers check out the salary paid to others who have the same level of education like nurses etc. Get it right teachers are well paid, I would be more than happy to see the conditions under which they work (children who respect them and smaller class sizes) improved but just like giving anyone with poor working conditions extra money, this will only stem any losses to the profession for a short time.
I don’t think pay is the reason that men are not attracted to the profession its more likely gender related.
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Oh D,
You are a wicked one.
Stirring the pot!
There are really very few people underneath “bleating” about under paid teachers. They are “bleating” about a hazardous work environment. And you’re absolutely right about nurses! They equally deserve better working condititons.
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A call centre operator makes an average of $51000 with a couple of weeks training. If a teacher with a four year degree is on the same, how is that fair?
And yes, nurses salaries are comparable. Why don’t nurses cop as much shit for industrial action and a strong union? I’d suggest it’s because people have more day to day contact with teachers with their kids being at school. Only unlucky people have such contact with nurses.
I think they both get treated like shit because they’re still considered female, caring vocations rather than professions. And if I was a bloke I’d think twice about going in to teaching with the utter paranoia around paedophilia, for a start.
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Call Centre operators put up with a lot have to achieve a certain output to keep there job, have someone monitor their calls, its not that easy so $51,000 is a reasonable income, last time I looked no teacher was ever sacked if their students fail and yes I’m stirring the pot but sometimes people need a reality check, we all have our difficulties and we should really focus on what is at the heart of this issue not the gloss (salary) on the outside, I have met very few people who love their job that do it for the money because they would rather be happy then earn the big bucks.
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D,
I’m curious to know what you do for a living.
Rachael
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D clearly doesn’t write for a living given her aversion to full stops…
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Thanks for the summary Mamamia great that i don’t have to read the full 340 odd pages for the obvious recommendations.
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I only hope that the teachers union does not see an increase in funding as an opportunity to push for higher wages for teachers, I’m likely to hit a nerve here but I believe that teachers are paid enough. More than happy to see improved facilities, reduced class sizes and specialised teachers to help kids with particular issues.
The other issue I think that needs to be addressed is far greater parent/community input into the running of schools, creating a positive school community will have a significant impact on how successful additional funding will be. I have seen over a long period of involvement in the aged care and health sector than throwing money at the problem or paying the staff more money does not fix the problem it just ends up costing us more. Positive school communities will lead to happy teachers, students and parents.
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Hmmmm……so you think a teacher, who has been to university for four years, spends countless hours outside teaching hours working, and has to continue to prove their skills via accreditation processes, is worth less than an unskilled labourer who can earn $100,000 plus shovelling dirt in mines with a year 9 or equivalent education?
Teachers are paid nowhere near what they are worth. Only those in executive positions such as principals earn over $100,000 a year. The rest of us get by on an average salary of about $50,000-$60,000 a year which is an insult to the demanding nature of the work.
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The average teacher would earn more like $70k, not $50-60k as you have cited. In NSW for example, the starting salary is $56k (higher than the entrance salary of most other professions) and the highest pay point for an experienced classroom teacher is around $84k. Factor in the additional 8 weeks of annual leave that teachers get (compared to other professions) and this would add about another $10k of value to their salary. Yes, teacher pay used to be less than desirable, but there have been big pay increases over the past decade yet teachers (thanks to the unions) are still crying poor.
Yes, teachers work very hard. I speak as a trained teacher who chose not to enter the profession (although I still work in the education field). Individual teachers also have the choice not to work in the profession if they are so unhappy with the salary – they are welcome to go and work as an unskilled labourer who earns $100k+ in the mines. I assume most wouldn’t want to given the working conditions for that job are actually less than ideal too….
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Anonymous,
D,
(Damn it! Forgot to sign in! My user name is ‘Rachael1260′. Cannot be bothered retyping this comment so I’ll have to post as ‘Anonymous’)
You have chosen for your own good reasons not work as a teacher. But your argument that teachers can make more money if they leave the profession is of no use at all to the education system. Someone has to teach the kids. I’m committed to being as great a teacher that I can possibly be. I’m not alone in this approach to my job. Teachers fight for pay rises because right now our wages aren’t keeping up with inflation. Any other profession in that situation would do the same if they were fortunate enough to be part of a strong union. I have no idea what kind of renumeration you receive in your chosen job now but you kind of need to work full time in disadvantaged public high school before you can appreciate that the 8 weeks holiday are absolutely ESSENTIAL. Without them the job would be physically and emotionally impossible to perform.
I think the whole debate to too heavily focused on funding. I’d happily forego some funding if Principals were given more power in their dealings with discipliary issues.. The state system is at the mercy of the students. It is almost IMPOSSIBLE to hold any student accountable for their behaviour. Last week at my school a female teacher was assaulted (Kung-fu-style kick!) for asking the student to leave the room until he could behave appropriately. This same student king-hit a class mate during a class late last year. The police were notified. There were multiple metings with behavioural experts, carers etc. The student received a long suspension and was allowed back at school. We are all waiting to see what happens now that he’s reoffended. It seems now students and staff are at risk while the system continues to dictate that we MUST accept this kid. Another case in point regarding lack of control. Numbers of kids in my year 10 class received their school certificate last year even though they did not meet the requirements. The system dictates that it is up to the school to do EVERYTHING in its power to ensure a student will fulfill the requirement. I had students who didn’t do any meaningful work all year. There is an inordinate amount of paperwork and time wasting that goes with the management of these students. For every assessment task not submitted there is a letter home (which begins with classroom teacher, then requires head teacher and principal’s attention and signatures). Despite completing this process 8 times (on average) for a number of students in one’s class over the course of a year, the students are then given one on one assistance to complete said tasks (at the most rudimentary level) at the eleventh hour so that we can then “tick the box” and they can qualify for the school certificate.
Principals, head teachers and classroom teachers need more power in their dealings with students. If we have no means of making kids accountable and responsible, then the Federal and State governments can throw as much money as they like at the system but it won’t fix the fundamental problems. We’ve heard over and over on these discussion walls about how parents are switching to the Catholic and private systems simply because they have more faith in this system’s ability to maintain standards of behaviour and encourage a positive work ethic.
D, yes, you did hit a nerve but perhaps not the hip pocket nerve that you expected. Teachers aren’t greedy.
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Rachael I couldn’t agree more. After 20 years as a secondary teacher I finally quit. I was sick of being told to f*** off, having to negotiate with students to get them to behave, submit work, sit down etc, etc. no amount of improved facilities would change this!
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Yes of course! Teachers should only be paid a certain amount as they are off sunning themselves on 8 weeks leave a year! Well ask my husband what I was doing for at least 4 of those 8 weeks. Preparation, correction and further study. I am so tired of the ignorance of many people as to the true workload of teachers.
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4 weeks annual leave during Xmas only. All other leave is “stand down” leave. Would love to take my annual leave when I want it.
Profile of new teacher now enters teaching at 28 yrs and stays for 5 years. Leaves due to salary and conditions. Think of a workplace where people defy you shout refuse to do what you ask and then call you a slut. Every teacher knows and has experienced a Jonah fom summer heights high.
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Totally agree about holidays. I am a librarian in a primary school and I work more than half of the school holidays getting done all of the tasks which cannot be achieved during the typical week.
Grow a brain and get I touch with reality. The “holidays” are not a holiday.
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At entry level, teachers in NSW are paid what I stated. It takes years to rise through the pay ranks now due to the accreditation process.
What do you also say about the many casual/relief teachers who are vital for our system? They may be paid more on a daily basis – but they also go ten weeks of the year without any pay at all and they often work under atrocious conditions – kids see a relief teacher coming and it’s ‘woo hoo no work today’!.
And as others have stated on here, holidays are hardly holidays when there are 180 kids to teach in few weeks (high school this is) with a good proportion of those with special needs who need adjusted work.
Anyway we could have this argument all day long. By choosing to not enter the profession, it appears you agree that the pay is too low. I have a friend who is a trainer in the corporate sector and earns five times more than she did as a high school teacher. Those of us passionate about kids and their education choose to stay and our salary should reflect our commitment and dedication as well as our level of education.
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“Factor in the additional 8 weeks of annual leave that teachers get (compared to other professions)”
I’m sure the teachers spend some of that time doing preparation for the year/term ahead – not to mention the work they do outside school hours during the term.
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KathyW that description of what a teacher has to do sounds just like my work, I earn about the same as a teacher with my level of experience but I don’t have the same level of job security as teachers or access to the super benefits. We all have to put up with negative aspects of our jobs, difficult and rude people and sometimes unreasonable expectations. What my point was is that increased pay packets will not address the negatives, we need to address the negatives, job satisfaction will be far more effective in attracting and retaining the right people in teaching, than any pay rise will ever achieve.
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As a teacher myself, I think that most teachers would LOVE to see more aides, specialist teachers and support for those who need it. Given the choice between that and a pay rise, I would take that any day!
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Agreed!!
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Agreed, again!
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Agreed again!!!
My husband’s point of view is the best thing he could hope for out of this review, with the amount of special needs children in classrooms increasing every day, with literacy and basic reading skills going down the toilet, children falling through the cracks with the immense learning workload they are expected to complete (every time i blink i hear another ‘they should teach this in schools’… with what time?) would be an increase in support staff… more teachers aides/reading recovery to assist with those with even mild learning difficulties, would improve class control and behaviour, and make it easier to concentrate on the task at hand… educating our children to the best of their ability!
and i second that its so exhausting hearing the continual ‘teachers have it easy, working 9am til 3am, all the holidays off!’ i really wonder where these teachers exist, as my husband spends 3 and a half holidays marking, planning lessons and writing reports.
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Unforturtunatly many poor performing schools are that way because the community they draw from do not value education so parental input from them would be unlikely to improve educational outcomes for their children.
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So what are you suggesting? We just give up on them? Their parents don’t care about their education and future so why the hell should anyone else? No.
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Don’t have the answer to that one Kate, but the NT shows that throwing money at the problem will not necessarily fix it.
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Kate, we hardly give up on them.
But the day to day grind of working with kids who have an overblown sense of entitlement, a welfare mentality, who come to school to socialise and routinely tell staff to ‘f*ck off I’m not doing this shit’ just absolutely wears you down.
THEY don’t care about their education. I asked two year 7 girls who routinely refuse to work in my English class about their future plans and they laughed and said ‘I’m gonna party on the dole’. And believe me they were not joking.
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Anon for this year. Your experiences sound like mine. After 20 years and at 41, I found myself waking every day feeling sick about going to work. As a state educator I refused to give up on these kids but in the end when I realised I wasn’t making any difference and coping so much abuse and attitude for my efforts, I resigned.
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Anon for this – I went to school with kids from wealthy families, & believe me, some of them had “an overblown sense of entitlement”.
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Yes Lulu – I agree – but the entitlement I’m speaking of is an entitlement to welfare – that someone else will pay and why should they give two hoots about school.
I’m talking about kids who have never seen anyone in their extended family go to work for any length of time, so without this role modelling in their lives, their sense of entitlement to welfare is indeed overblown.
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I’d actually like to see teacher’s salaries raised. I wouldn’t do what they do for what they get paid. Higher salaries would attract more people to the profession, especially men. Like it or not, men and women have different ways of doing things and I’d like kids to get an equal exposure to both genders as they grow up. Many boys are disengaged from the learning environment and I think having more male role models in their lives would improve this. My boys have had fabulous teachers, however they have been predominantly women and that’s not how the world is. So… whilst some existing teachers are paid amply for what they contribute, having the opportunity to earn higher wages would attract a greater variety of people to the industry, including extremely capable men. I know we don’t live in the dark ages anymore, but men, more often than not, have a period of their lives where they are the primary breadwinner. If my husband decided to give up his higher paying job to become a teacher during the years I worked part time and acted as primary carer for our children our lives would be significantly worse off. So a blanket statement of ‘teachers are paid enough’ isn’t really helpful if your vision extends beyond your nose.
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I am VERY concerned about the recommendations that philanthropic donations be a part of school income… Does this mean that if school A gets a donation it will be declined some funding (like centrelink works out how much help you get when you work and study) or will there be a Government education “fund” to donate to that then has overheads to decide where to send the money? Or will there be donations where sports are brought to you by spalding, or as Kathy said home economics by McDonalds?
This suggestion is frought with danger from ALL angles!
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I wholeheartedly agree! Public schools don’t the time to go soliciting sponsorship or bequests or donations. anyway, isn’t the point of the review that public education should be the gold standard for all. The GOVERNMENT must be responsible for ensuring this standard.
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I got into a mini argument with a friend the other night worried about messing with school funding. He said private school parents tended to pay more tax.
Ahem.
Aside from the fact the vast majority of kids go to public and the sheer numbers would result in a huge amount of tax paid by *their* parents, it overlooked the simplest nature of education.
It is in ALL our best interests to have an education system that stacks up for as many kids as possible. Because smart kids, trained kids, go on to build an even stronger economy. Without a good education system we might as well all pack up and go home now. Even if you are somehow a heartless monster and don’t want every kid to get a quality start in life, you need them to.
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Not sure how those points are mutually exclusive Rick?
I think it’s probably fair to say that private school parents tend to pay more tax (not in total but per capita).
However I don’t think any of those parents would say that their taxes *shouldn’t* fund public education. Of course it is in everyone’s best interests to have the best possible education system.
The point being made by the private school parents who pay high taxes is: why shouldn’t private schools also continue to be funded (as Gonski concluded)?
The point I made on Jane Caro’s piece the other day was that I didn’t see why we needed to ‘do a Robin Hood’ to improve public education, and again this is the basic finding of Gonski as I see it. We shouldn’t have to take anything away from private education to better fund public education. To that end, yes private school parents pay their taxes too, and should be entitled to get some benefit from the government spending of those taxes…
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I don’t disagree with any of your points. But it’s about the level of funding and the rates and who needs it most. I’ve never argued that privates should get nothing
I think the Gonski report is fair. I think it makes good sense.
As the Govt said, the privates won’t lose a $ under the new arrangements. But the public schools and some regional independents need a significant cash injection.
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I really hate this argument. We all pay taxes. Taxes are for the society’s good. If I choose to drive a car rather than take public transport I don’t expect the government to subsidise me. The same should apply to schooling. I actually feel that all the parents who have taken their children out of the government system and put them into independent schools have missed an opportunity to help shape the system into a better education for all. Whilst most people don’t think beyond the 13 years of their own child’s education, we really do need to be concerned about the educational standards of the general population. We and our precious darlings don’t exist in a vacuum. When we vote with our feet and go to a private school, smart/rich/moral people miss an opportunity to influence and shape the government system. We give the government an opportunity to invest less in a public system. As the public system disintegrates the major part of our population becomes less educated. Is that the world we want to live in? Where only a select few have a great education and everyone else is unemployable, turning to crime, drugs, etc. As I get older I really don’t want to see our society unable to educate our citizens to be the kinds of adults we need around us. So the discussion is much broader than no private school parent being worse off… if those parents can afford a private education then they can buy it. If they can’t without government help, then they should stay in the state system and lobby the government to improve the public schools. Not just for their own precious darlings but for the other kids that will one day be the doctor, lawyer, computer scientist etc that gives them something they want or need.
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Ok Rick you nailed it. Bravo.
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I agree with you Stephanie. Middle class people do benefit from this system. But what’s the solution? Flee to private schools, or do something that will help students from disadvantaged backgrounds achieve better? If we pay mor:e tax then we can have a system where everyone benefits. Pockets or enclaves of disadvantage are not pretty. I work in one. I would love to pay more tax if I knew these kids got a decently resourced education, along with the middle class. How about you?
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I heard a great comment the other day in response to those that say government contributions to private health and school funding is middle class welfare:
“in fact, government funding to the middle and upper class who use public education and public health care is middle class welfare. It costs the government far more for those people than the ones who take some personal responsibility and contribute to these costs themselves.”
I agree. People who can afford it should be made to contribute more to public education than they do currently.
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Actually there’s this thing called taxation which is where the government gets most of the money it uses to fund things like health and education and do you know what? The more you earn, the more you pay.
So what you’re saying is that as well as paying a big percentage of their income in tax, the ‘middle class’ should be excluded from benefiting from the government expenditure it funds?
Yep, that sounds fair *sarcasm font*
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You realise that public education and health is meant to be for everyone right?
I actually don’t have a problem paying more taxes (really!) but the term middle class welfare gets bandied around way too much.
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Those who send their kids to private schools are already doing the government a favour… the government couldn’t afford for those kids to all be going to public schools.
I agree with Chookie, where’s the fairness? It’s a triple whammy – ‘middle class’ pay more taxes, plus private school fees, and in return their kids’ schools receive reduced government funding. What a thank you that is!
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Of course the government can afford to educate all Australian children. It can also afford to provide universal health care. Maybe we just spend our money unwisely sometimes.
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People who send their kids to private schools are not doing it for the benefit of the government. The government SHOULD afford for all those kids to go to government schools… they just got a lucky break because some people choose private education. As Gonski said, we should pay what it COSTS to educate our people, not set a budget and give them only education to that level. It’s important BEYOND just your own kids… it’s important for society as a whole that we have a well educated population.
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The fairness, Anonymous, lies in the fact that people have a CHOICE to do what they like with their discretionary income. Some middle class people choose to send their kids to schools outside of the public system. Some middle class people don’t. I didn’t realise that the middle class people who do send their kids to private schools wish to get a ‘thank you’ as well from the middle class people (and others) who don’t make that choice!
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“Classrooms should support innovative approaches to learning, not only through the curriculum, technologies and infrastructure, but also through the culture of the school. Principals and teachers should encourage a culture of high expectations, continuous learning, and independence and responsibility for all students”
This is critical. I’m so relieved to see it in the report. I can think straight away of one school where I worked where those in charge know their school is seen as ‘ghetto’ in the community, and yet they choose to do nothing about it.
Not sure about the philanthropic involvement. What would we see then? “Food Technology – proudly brought you by your local McDonalds’ It would have to be carefully managed.
Still, we have a report recommending many changes but no cash promised to make these changes. Interesting days indeed.
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It’s a good point. Many of the greatest education programs I have seen (I used to work in education) have been started by individual teachers or schools who know their families and their kids and know what makes them tick.
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Rick, I just wanted to say that your reporting on this issue is 1,000,000 times better than the article on ABC online. Thank you for consistently providing high quality information in these cheat sheets. I couldn’t agree more with Kate Hunter’s comment below – it’s such a pity that there is no concrete policy announcement with the release of this report. This is just another case of the current political / economic climate preventing us from getting on with what needs to be done.
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Oh gosh that is so nice. Always a worry when speed-reading that you might miss the essence of something. And yes, this review represents an enormous opportunity to do some good by education in this country.
I sure hope the Government doesn’t fumble the insight.
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Except for your Simpson’s reference. sigh.
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I meant to say, excellent writing but *rolls eyes* at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
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Looks like I need a better Simpsons education! I had no idea that is where that line came from. It was just rolling around in my head from a previous life!
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Why oh why does the Government commission such a big-thinking review and then not want to do anything with it? Makes me mad. I would love to see an election where this issue of education funding gets as much airtime as border protection.
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Exactly Kate! Or instead of spending all this money on consultants and inquiries, that they are just going to ignore, just divert the money to something worthwhile like education or health in the first place!
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