By LUCY ORMONDE
When Mamamia reader Alisha Beuzeville emailed us about what happened to her when she went to get the Morning After Pill, we asked her if she would prefer to be anonymous.
Alisha thought about it for a short while, fearing that she’d be judged. And then she said no. She wanted her name to the story because she wants to end the notion that women should be ashamed to purchase emergency contraception.
Alisha writes:
I am a 28 year old, well educated, married woman.
I feel the need to give this biography before I continue as my recent experience with a local pharmacist made me feel anything but.
On Saturday evening I attended my local chemist and asked the woman behind the counter for the morning after pill.
I actually mouthed the words to her so that customers near by would not hear me. I did this, not because I am ashamed of my right to walk into a pharmacy and ask for this product but more so out of the fear of judgement I would receive if I said the products colloquial name out loud.
I needn’t have bothered because that judgement was going to be made but not by the strangers waiting by the register but rather by the pharmacist himself.
The woman behind the counter nodded and walked to the back to speak to the pharmacist.
She returned only a split second later and stated ‘I’m sorry dear; the pharmacist can’t sell this product. There is another chemist across the road though.’I was confused as she had taken the details of the product I was after as though she was going to get it.
I left and went to the chemist across the road.
On my way out of the second chemist I decided to return to the first chemist and speak to the pharmacist.
The pharmacist was a male in his late 20′s who very politely explained that he had refused to sell me this product as he is a Christian and it goes against his belief to do so. He believes that if there is possibility of a life, it was against God’s wishes to terminate this possibility. His words. Not mine.
He further explained that the product is a schedule 3 drug and as such he has discretion as to who he dispenses this product to.
Using this same argument, I asked him if he thought it was reasonable for a pharmacist who was a scientologist to refuse to sell a customer antidepressant medication.
He replied by telling me that he was not a scientologist and that he could not offer an opinion to that.
The whole incident made me feel extremely judged by a person who I believe should be unbiased in their job.
I fail to understand why somebody would work in a profession which clearly may not be aligned to their personal and religious beliefs.
I wouldn’t work behind a bar selling alcohol if I was a Mormon. I wouldn’t work in an abattoir if I was a vegan. I wouldn’t work in a childcare centre and refuse to work with children. I’m sure you get my drift
The whole situation has me now thinking: What if I was not fortunate enough to be in close vicinity to another chemist? Should this pharmacist be using his personal beliefs to dictate who he does and does not provide medical assistance to?
The professionals in these roles are trusted by people like me to provide them with a medication that I am, by law allowed to purchase. My need for medication should not be influenced by another person’s religious or personal beliefs. I thought we, as women, had come a lot further than that.
It may surprise you to learn that the pharmacist was well within his rights to refuse to sell the emergency contraceptive to Alicia.
Mamamia spoke to Dr Lisa Nissan, who is the the Queensland Branch Manager for the Pharmaceutical Society of Australia. She told us that “pharmacists as a group have the ability, due to their moral or ethical beliefs, to not supply the emergency contraceptive.”
Pharmacists are required to “supply a valid alternative.” (Which is what the pharmacist in Alisha’s story did, when he told her to go across the street to another store.)
That’s all very well but the question we couldn’t help but wonder is what if there was no “valid alternative?” What if the pharmacy was the only pharmacy in a small country town? What if accessing an alternative meant travelling for hours, skipping work or skipping school? You hate to think.
Imagine if the woman asking for the morning after pill wasn’t willing to question the pharmacist like Alisha was. Imagine if the woman was young and vulnerable and scared. Imagine what it would take for her to walk into a second pharmacist and make her request once again.
Dr Nissan said she was personally disappointed by the policy but that she also believed people were entitled to their personal beliefs. As a university teacher Dr Nissan said she often tells her students that “health is about helping other people…. If they’re coming to you, they’re coming for your help – and not your judgment.“
Note: We spoke to the pharmacy that Alisha went to (and, because the pharmacist was within his rights to refuse to sell the drug, we’ve decided not to name him.) A spokeswoman confirmed that the pharmacist refused to sell the morning after pill for religious reasons and that those beliefs did not hinder the sale of any other items such as the contraceptive pill or condoms. She said there were “5 or 6″ pharmacists at the pharmacy, “90 to 95 per cent” of whom would sell the morning after pill and that there was usually more than one pharmacist on duty.
The question is… is that good enough? Should medical practitioners be able to inflict their personal beleiefs on those coming to them for help?
For more information or to relay an opinion on this issue, contact The Pharmaceutical Society of Australia or Sexual Health and Family Planning Australia.
For more information on emergency contraception – what it is and when to take it – check out this fact sheet from Family Planning Queensland.









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385 Comments so far
I had a similar story trying to get a refill script for the pill at my local GP. My regular doctor was not working so I requested an appointment with the other doctor. Unbeknown to me he does not believe in birth control and was unable to issue me with a script. This is abhorrent in this day and age. I am happily married and did not want to fall pregnant, yes there are other options but for the sake of this mans objection I was forced to wait a week until my regular doctor returned from leave to get a script which had been safely prescribed for 15 years leading up to that!
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Our country chemist also refuses even though the next nearest Chemist is 8kms away.He sells condoms, contraceptive pills, methadone and every other legal drug known to man. It is done on religious grounds. Fortunately he doesn’t impose his other beliefs on his customers. I’ll be shopping elsewhere whenever possible.
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This pharmacy must be losing a lot of money because they wouldnt be selling the normal contraceptives, emergency contraceptive is not abortion pills. They are simply contraceptives but strong ones. I am surprised that we still have people like these good luck to his wife or girl friend.
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what you are really asking is whether people should be free to follow their conscience. When you restrict this right you are veering away from democracy. It is ludicrous to suggest that a person is unfitted to work in the medical industry because their religious beliefs about the sanctity of human life inhibit them from participating in termination of a pregnancy. Suggestions of the kind are reminiscent of signs from the not to distant past ‘blacks and Irish need not apply’. Having a right to access a service is not the same as demanding a person provide that service against their personal principles. When one persons ‘rights’ oppress anothers we are living in an unjust society.
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Was the pharmacist worryingly ignorant, or just bloody-minded? Most variants of the ‘morning-after pill’ are contraceptives (high-dose progestogen); only RU486 is an abortifacient. His prejudice in favour of the unborn over the mother is deplorable enough, but his lack of suitable morning-after options suggests a serious professional shortcoming.
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Vote for Tony Abbott for P.M. – this scenario will be replicated on a nation-wide scale.
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This is absolutely disgusting, and the thing I take the most offence to is the fact that someone is allowed to stop you from buying something you want/need. It’s none of their business what you decide to do in your sex life, quite frankly I would have told him to stick his beliefs and give me what I have a right, as a customer, to purchase.
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I really don’t see what the issue is here. The chemist provided an alternative and she got the morning after pill. He wasn’t rude, he just chose to not sell something he had a problem with. (which he is LEGALLY allowed to do)
I think people are WAAAY to precious these days. get over it. Its all well and good saying she ways discriminated against (i dont think she was but anyway…) but another to realise that if the chemist had to give up his business on the basis of his religion because the morning after pill was now allowed to sold in chemists, wouldn’t that too be discrimination?
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For me the issue is that the pharmacist violated their code of ethics (clause 2.2) which says that they will “NOT discriminate on ANY grounds”.
If the APS wants Pharmacists to have the right to discriminate, they should change the code to “NOT discriminate on ANY grounds, UNLESS it diagrees with their beliefs”.
At the moment it does NOT say that; thus pharmacists discriminating on the grounds of personal belief are KNOWINGLY violating their code of ethics, AND with the KNOWLEDGE AND SUPPORT of the PSA.
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I keep thinking back to this article as I am horrified people expect a man to ignore his moral ethics because of a job. What about when euthanasia is legalised surely you would not expect every medical practitioner or nurse to perform and feel comfortable with it. Just like not all obstetricians will circumcise boys or and not all gynaecologists will perform abortions. And just because they don’t want to participate In something does not mean they do not deserve their job.
Why should someone who has certain convictions be made to feel bad? I have used and dispensed emergency contraception and I feel comfortable with it but that does not mean I would expect someone else to feel the same.
A health professional does not agree to be a robot who suspends personal feelings and opinion when they sign up for the job.
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If they arent prepared to put the patient first, I dont consider them a health professional.
If they dont want to put patients first, maybe they should consider a different career choice.
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I visited a doctor who refused to prescribe me the regular, monthly contraceptive pill. She too claimed it was against her religion. I had to wait for another doctor to become available to prescribe me the pill. I was amazed.
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Mamma Mia should consider publishing the name of the Pharmacy and its address and allow people to have the choice to boycott it.
Alisha – I am sorry this happened to you.
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Catholic hospitals won’t provide prescriptions for the pill. This happened to my sister in law a few years ago after she had her 3rd bub and asked one of the drs for a prescription for the mini pill on discharge.
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Imagine a pilot who said “but I wont fly planes” !!
If people dont want to dispense, they shouldnt become pharmacists.
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Similar thing happened to me at a local medical centre a few years ago when I went to get pregnancy test results and found out it was positive. It was unplanned and unwanted and I was obviously highly distressed, yet the Dr told me he refused to provide information on abortion, and that as a woman in my mid 20s it was a good time for me to have a baby. I was in such shock I can’t remember what I said, but I was so glad to see my regular Doctor a few days later when she returned from holidays! Many years on and now a mother I still shake my head in disbelief that the encounter (with the Dr!) ever happened. I expect health professionals to support patients decisions providing they aren’t causing harm to themselves.
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I am a pharmacist of 37 years standing. I hear stories like these and I am also appalled. I have had young women come to my pharmacy and tell me similar stories.It is my personal opinion that our creed of “at least do no harm” should apply. I always treat these situations non judgementally and after discreetly, privately ensuring there is no medical or legal reason not to supply I always do so. What I, or others, think or believe is of absolutely no consequence. I apologise on behalf of my profession to Alisha.
I wish it was perfect world but somehow people stuff it up on a regular basis.
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In my annoyance that this happened… and all the time I have wasted commenting on other people’s comments…. I forgot about Alisha.
Alisha,
I want you to know that I’m sorry you were discriminated against. If I were in your hood.. I would be that friend who would 1.) Even though I don’t need the morning after pill I’d still go buy one at that pharmacy from that pharmacist and call him out for being prejudiced and 2.) tell all my friends not to go to that pharmacy and 3.) I would have your back.
Your story has not left me alone since I read it yesterday… I’m off to my favorite chemist where I will purchase the morning after pill just because I want to make sure that I can. Thank you for sharing Alisha.
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Amazing – the same thing happened to me on Monday. I am married with two kids, and well – mistakes were made. Anyway, for the first time in my life – I required emergency contracteption. Hard enough to ask – but I was told that was not sold at this chemist. I politely passed on my disgust (owners decision- and he wasnt there) and got it elsewhere. It made me so mad – how hypocrital that they sell the contraceptive pill! If you dont believe in something – apply it to yourself – dont use it to push your views on others.
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I’m neutral on this topic, but I do feel the need to clarify that selling the contraceptive pill is not hypocritical, due to the mechanism of action. The pill mainly acts through preventing ovulation, therefore sperm and egg do not meet. The morning after pill acts by preventing implantation of a fertilised egg – the pregnancy has already begun in the eyes of some (depending on when you view the beginning of a pregnancy – for many it is implantation). This is seen by many as more like abortion than contraception. Please don’t cut me down, I just want to clarify. It’s similar in action to an IUD – doesn’t prevent conception, prevents implantation.
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the end result is still the same prevention
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Thank you Kristen for some useful tips with rgaerd to medication usage, and tips to help as easy reminders, such as, the glowing bottle tops! I never knew pharmacies supplied them! Even though it’s a simple tip, it’s one that will actually help my family be better organized with our prescription needs! As a side note: Great Job! It’s wonderful to see you are doing so well and still doing a great service to individuals! Very inspiring! Thanks again, Danielle R. Montello
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But if it was in religious grounds then isn’t it hypocritical as using any form of contraception is a sin in many religions?
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I never really thought about till this article came along.
But when I was 19 with a new boyfriend, it was his first time and I had a break from the pill from the last month for some reason (I had been travelling and ran out while I was there or something). The condom broke, so to be on the cautious side I went to the chemist to get the morning after pill.
I was rather nervous, and when I asked for it the lady took me aside to sit down to ask why I was asking for it. I told her and she don’t worry! The pill takes about a month to get out of the system so you shouldn’t fall pregnant.
At the time I didn’t think about questioning her. But now I have heard some people can fall pregnant after missing the pill only for a day if they are very fertile! Thank god I am not one of those people, but hell!
I guess I was very lucky!?
I got my pill prescription re-newed pretty quickly after that.
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At the doctor’s sugery I’ve been going to all my life, there used to be a sign stating that one of the doctors was a Catholic and would not discuss abortion as an option for any of his patients, and requesting that any patients who wanted to discuss this should see another doctor.
I think that was a responsible thing to do, to make it clear upon entry, and give you the chance to talk to the admin staff and change your appointment if you needed to. And there were always other doctors around.
I do support the private beliefs of people having an impact on their work, and I think the pharmacist in this case was respectful in the way he went about it. He didn’t call her names, or say that he thought she had sinned, he didn’t threaten her with hell or try to convert her. He just didn’t sell her something that he had a moral objection to. And she was able to go somewhere else to get it.
I have a bit of a problem with one of the sentences in Alisha’s last paragraph: “My need for medication should not be influenced by another person’s religious or personal beliefs.”
Um, it wasn’t. You went across the road and bought what you needed. You weren’t in a place where you didn’t have any other options, and you didn’t have to pay more for blackmarket drugs, and you didn’t get ostracised by your community and it really wasn’t that bad at all. I’m really sorry that you obviously felt bad, and I hope you don’t have to go through that again, but the email to Mia, and this article seem like blowing something out of proportion.
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I believe the article is pointing out more that ‘what if’ it was a different person or situation that didn’t have these other options… Their personal needs and choices would be decided upon by someone else’s beliefs. A young woman/naive/feeling embarrassed/possible victims if rape may not have the courage,strength, ability etc to find these alternative options. It is wrong to be judged regardless and pharmacists have a duty of care to provide for this.. I think this article opens up conversation and big, serious contemplations for our society.
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Wow, so only 339 comments so far. Not really a hot topic much, is it ?!
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As someone who has just come out the other side of a long, protracted, serious illness – I find pharmacists to be on the majority, the most judgemental people in business out there. I have had many encounters with them second guessing my doctors prescriptions to me and in front of many customers. I was honestly made to feel like a street junkie, struggling to justify my illness and my doctors treatment of it.
I know that they have duties and ethical boundaries that they have to work within, however, I did not believe that this extended to the second guessing of an actual doctors treatment choices.
My husband on many occasions went to fill scripts for me and he was also subjected to this very obvious and embarrassing judgement.
I told my Doctors about this and they would often phone ahead to the pharmacist for me to ensure the process of filling their scripts was as easy as possible for me.
We still have pharmacy phobia! Even when buying over-the-counter products.
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Absolutely have this problem ALL the time as I have severe back pain. Have even gone so far as getting my GP to write a prescription for my non-prescription painkillers because of the pharmacy nazis. It infuriates me that I should have to go to these lengths – its not an illegal substance and therefore I have every right to choose to take it, how often and when (which I happen to do in accordance with my GPs advice but theoretically I could also choose to abuse it). They don’t impose limits on other legal substances you buy like alcohol or cigarettes or chocolate…
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Yeah some plots that veer off the main story are annoying but then its all part of it but if they didn’t put them in then the main story would be bleiztd in a short amount of time and then people would see all there is too see and be complaining that its too short Yeah true they can continue to write new stuff for it and continue it on but having a pause in the main story refreshes things so when that’s all done and dusted your ready for the next round other wise you would just get bored of the show and stop watching altogetherWhat bugs me to no end is when they add really annoying characters into story lines
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Firstly, a pharmacist is not a medical practitioner. That term is reserved for actual medical practitioners.
I don’t see why people are up in arms about this. Pharmacists, doctors, dentists, etc. were not put on earth for the sole purpose of giving customers and patients whatever they ask for without a second to spare. It’s just their job, as much as it’s just a baker’s job to bake or a mechanic’s job to fix cars. First and foremost, they are people, with their own morals and opinions and are as free to exercise them as much as anyone else is (it’s the law). They run private businesses – if you don’t like their offering or service, you go elsewhere.
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It is however a “service” industry.
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And as it was mentioned in the OP, what happens if you have no alternative. There is no chemist across the road. It isn’t always black and white.
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I’m a pharmacist and I’ve never met a pharmacist who refuses to sell due to religious beliefs. You must have been really ‘lucky’ to land on 1. I think he needs to restudy his medical books as the pill does not ‘unreligiously’ abort the baby. It just halts ovulation. What difference does it make using a condom? Ridiculous. The only time I don’t sell it is, if I think the person really doesn’t need it.
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There is a pharmacist at Seven Hills in Sydney which refuses to sell the pill (any pill, not just the morning after) , as the owner believes it has too many side effects.
Not as much as an unwanted pregnancy, in my opinion.
The pharmacy is across the road from a high school, and I wonder what the policy is on condoms. But, in this case, at least there are other pharmacies close by….
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328 comments about a pharmacist who made a woman walk an extra 100 metres, that’s twice the number of comments condemning the display of fundamental Islam threatening our safety and way of life.
Really?
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So discrimination is fine as long as you only have to walk 100 metres to not be discriminated against?
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It’s not discrimination. The pharmacist refuses to sell the MAP to anyone. If he only sold the MAP to married women, or if he refused to sell it to minors or countless other situations I can think of, then it would be discrimination. That’s not what this pharmacist is doing though.
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That’s exactly what discrimination is!
The prejudiced treatment of a group based on it’s membership in a perceived or real group.
That’s like saying someone isn’t discriminating if they refuse to sell all HIV medicine to anyone. That’s okay is it?
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Nobody’s beliefs matter. End of story.
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I’m so glad I live in a country (Sweden) that’s much more relaxed about this! The contraceptive pill is available at $5 per month’s supply, you can buy condoms at supermarket, and the MAP is sold without questions. I don’t think it’s caused any more promiscuous behaviour/unwanted pregnancies than if the supply of these things had been restricted!
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When I was a freshmen in college, I had a similar experience, although I was too scared to really confront the pharmacist about the issue. Over my Thanksgiving break, I needed emergency contraceptive, and the pharmacist refused to give me any, despite them having some. Normally, that wouldn’t have been such an issue, except that all of the other pharmacies around town were closed. I ended up having to wait till the following Monday and ran to Planned Parenthood, who got me the super emergency contraceptives that are effective for more days.
It still makes me so sad and angry that my whole life could have been completely turned upside down because one person doesn’t believe in emergency contraceptive. I agree that people in this kind of profession really shouldn’t be using religious beliefs to decide who can get access to medical assistance they need.
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I recently moved regionally from a large city. A few weeks after moving my baby needed to go to the doctor. While in the waiting room passing time I noticed a large sign that said something along the lines of: Dr Blank and Dr Blah do not prescribe contraceptives, please make an appointment with another doctor. I later read online while looking for another doctor that they are both ministers (or pastors). I feel this is a conflict of interest, shouldn’t it be whatever’s in the patients best interest???
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It might be a conflict of interest, but they have disclosed that and given the option of booking with another doctor. People here really need to choose their battles wisely!!!
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I am appalled to hear about this story. I am a registered nurse and I am not allowed to let any of my personal beliefs religious or moral or otherwise get in the way of treating patients. I have to look after and treat everyone the same way even if i dont agree with their beliefs. I think the law should be changed and they should have to dispense the morning after pill regardless of what they believe it is your boy and you have the right to do what you want with it!!!!
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If there are ’5-6′ pharmacists, how on Earth would ’90-95%’ percent of them sell the morning after pill? Even if there’s only one that wouldn’t sell it, that’d still only be 80-83% of the staff that would.
Name them – if for no other reason than that they clearly can’t do basic mathematics, which is concerning.
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I got to that paragraph and was thinking exactly the same thing. Was going to post a comment saying this but I scroll down and the first comment is already about it. Bad bad maths.
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I think there’s a lack of understanding here as to how the morning after pill works. For starters, you don’t have to take it on the morning after. Maybe we need a post on contraception & how it actually works?
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It’s ideal to take it the morning after. It can be within 3 days, but the sooner the better. It’s effectiveness slowly drops the longer you wait.
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I think Cold’s point was that calling it the morning after pill is misleading. Some women might think if they don’t take it the morning after they’ve left it too late. It should be called ‘emergency contraception’ because that’s what it is.
I do think there’s a lack of knowledge around this subject and a follow up post on contraception would be great.
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The position taken by the pharmacist even in light of his religious position seems unusual because the morning after pill acts to prevent sperm and egg meeting – in a similar way to a condom, diaphragm or the contraceptive pill etc. If he sells these products willingly then why refuse the morning after pill? This is seems different to me to the right of a doctor to refuse to perform a termination of a pregnancy because the woman purchasing the morning after pill is not pregnant. Schedule 3 Schedule 3 = “Pharmaceuticals which must be supplied by a pharmacist in a pharmacy. This category is for substances for which the safe use requires professional advice, but which should be available to the public without a prescription.” So whilst technically within his rights the pharmacist is going outside of the ways they would normally use their judgement as a pharmacists (e.g. not supply an adult medication to a child, ensuring a customer is not taking medications that may interact negatively with desired schedule 3 drug, perhaps a customer they suspect will abuse the schedule 3 drug due to a dependency or mental health issue).
As a health professional I also feel people should not perform procedures or operate in a way that ‘crosses the line’ for them in a moral sense – however this is a slippery slope and can have dire consequences for people in remote areas as this situation illustrates.
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If they have already met, it stops the fertilized egg from implanting. That’s probably his logic.
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OK, so the pharmacist doesn’t agree with certain methods of birth control. For whatever reason. That is his personal view, and he is definitely entitled to it. No-one is forcing him to use those methods of birth control, are they?
It is unprofessional for him to impose his PERSONAL beliefs on others, by denying medication. I think he made a poor career choice – perhaps he should’ve studied Theology instead of Medicine.
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This has reminded me of a visit to a GP I made several years ago that left me feeling humiliated and degraded. I was newly married, and my husband and I weren’t yet ready for kids, and I needed to renew my Pill prescription. I duly made the appointment, and as I had many times before, trotted off to the Dr. I had only been seeing this particular GP for a short time as I’d only recently moved to the area. He was very pleasant, and made small talk before asking the reason for my visit. He then stunned me in to silence by refusing my request for a script renewal. In his words I was a “young, healthy, married woman, with no reason to avoid pregnancy”. He told me he could not fulfill my request due to his religious beliefs. I was so embarrassed, I had no idea what to say. So I meekly thanked him, paid his scheduled fee, and left in near tears. Years later I wish I’d handled it differently – I should have complained, I should have challenged his right to deny my reasonable request. But, that’s hindsight – my 27 year old self wasn’t as confident. But I do remember thinking, what if that had been a young, healthy 17/18 year old? I don’t believe a medical practitioner should be able to deny anyone based on their religious beliefs – they’re in the wrong game if they do!
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Hanna I had the opposite experience – I went to my usual practice but saw a new GP. I asked to get my Pill script renewed (which is also used for keeping my anxiety and depression in check, not just for pregnancy) and the doctor asked if I was planning to have any more children (not sure yet) and that I was “getting on in age now and it will be too late in a year or two” (I was 33) and that I either need to think about having another baby or getting my tubes tied!! I was absolutely flabbergasted. And this wasn’t a religious thing, it was just an opinionated doctor sticking her nose in my business. RUDE!!!!
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I’ve had the exact same thing happen to me, I asked for a repeat script for the contraceptive pill and my doctor asked if I was in a long term relationship, I said yes Ive been with my partner 8 years. He then proceeded to tell me that I should think about having children while I can and that he was only going to give me one repeat on the script – I was only 27 years old at the time!
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Jesus christ your story just made me SO angry!
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I think it would be better if it was something pharmacies had to be approved to supply, has to be trained and had private space to discuss it. They could have a symbol on the door showing they are approved suppliers. Then people would know who offered the service and get told about it correctly. Maybe an online list of approve pharmacies?
It is an extra service – something pharmacies offer not a right of the patient. What would the patient do of they were out of stock or closed? Seriously a shop does not owe its customers a service.
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What? Yes it does! The MAP is legally available over the counter at all pharmacies. I absolutely DO think the pharmacy owes its customers a service.
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Pharmacies are retailers and they can keep what they want within reason. Pharmacies don’t keep every single drug available as they are a business and many would go out of date before use.
Some do not keep contraception or the MAP and they have no obligation to.
Customers can show they disagree by shopping with the opposition!
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I am astonished to read this. The 2011 Pharmacist Code Of Ethics Section 2.2 States “A pharmacist must : Recognise and respect consumer diversity, culture, beliefs, values and characteristics, and not discriminate on any grounds”.
I repeat “not discriminate on any grounds”. There is NO ambiguity. NO qualification. There is NO “wiggle” room. NO ambiguity.
On what basis is this pharmacist claiming to allow personal belief to override their code of ethics ?
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Thank you for this info Denis.
It’s not like anyone is forcing him or his wife (I presume) to use emergency contraception, is it?
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I’m completely outraged and don’t think that a Pharmacist’s moral view should even be a factor. He is providing a service. End of story.
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For what it’s worth, when I had a breast enlargement the surgeon flat out told me at my first appointment that he would not go above a natural size for my body shape. My best frien also was refused a scheduled c- section as her ob didn’t believe in it for non medical reasons. Medical practitioners often make judgement calls based on their beliefs.
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I find it really abhorrent that a medical practitioner can put their own beliefs above patient care. I am a nurse and I have had to do things that I adamantly don’t agree with – for example keeping someone who is clearly miserable alive with medications and tube feeding for years and years, when they can’t move or speak to advocate for themselves. They just lie in bed all day everyday fully conscious but unable to function. Or treating pedophiles and murderers despite what I know they have just been caught doing.
When you’re a medical professional you are there for patient care. Full stop.
In my opinion religion should not be a reason to not provide adequate patient care. If I can act professionally in those kind of situations that are violently at odds with my own personal ethics, then so should everyone else regardless of their own beliefs.
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This post has me furious. Since when did he JUDGE her? He made no comment at all about her decision or the kind of person she is – nothing of a personal nature at all. There simply was no personal judgement.
The only judgement he has made is about what he will sell – which he is totally within his rights to do. And he didnt leave her stranded either. I don’t see how he’s done anything scandolous? Unless its the part where a guy in his late 20s was caught sticking with his principles – there’s not enough of it around frankly.
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It wasn’t a personal judgment it was a broad judgment. Against all women.
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I believe that it is this pharmacists right to refuse sale. If we begin to force health professionals to act outside their belief system, where do we stop.
All obstetricians CAN do abortions, all surgeons CAN perform circumcision. Whether or not they choose to partake in these proceducres is a personal decision and personally I think it should continue to be so.
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I read a article from the US a year or so ago and it stated that because so many older doctors and hospitals refused to do abortions that a lot of new doctors could not learn the procedure and therefore there was a shortage of doctors overall with the ability as the older doctors with the training retire, but with hardly any new doctors taking their place.
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I have had to use the MAP in the past. Whilst I wasn’t denied supply, I did have to answer embarrassing personal questions within earshot of everyone in the pharmacy. This is very emotional when you have had an contraception accident and are feeling vulnerable.
Perhaps it’s best to buy the pills and put them away for use if required. That way you can buy them at a convenient time and place and have the comfort of knowing they are there if you need them. No emotional scenes required.
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This spokeswoman obviously doesn’t know her maths.
Let’s say there were 6 pharmacists who work there of which 5 sell the pill. This is 83% who sell the pill.
Anyway, I think a sign would have been nice. Perhaps, “the pharmacist on duty will not dispense the morning after pill”. This will save embarrassment for the customer.
I think it’s unfair to refuse it as the pharmacist is unsure of the customer’s story and mental state. I’d hate to hear this happen to a teenaged, a rape victim or someone who’s experienced an abortion.
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I went to a GP recently who refuse to prescribe the pill or any other form of contraception and wouldn’t refer people for IVF because of her Catholic beliefs. I wasn’t told of this when I made an appointment and wasted my time and Medicare’s money as that was what I went to her for. I never went back. I didn’t tell her that my partner and I weren’t marries, pretty easy to guess what she’d think of that.
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For better or worse, pharmacists in cities are businesses. If they choose not to serve you whatever (I wonder if the pharmacist in question sold condoms and the pill??) that is their choice. 25 years ago the local pharmacist would not sell condoms. It only ruined one night – I learned afterwards!!
Would you be a scandalised if a dress shop did not have a red dress or refused to sell it to you because the attendant did not think it suited you? A trite comparison but true.
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Again a fundamental principle of freedom is immersed in emotional argument with the refusal by the complainant and others to acknowledge its presence in our lives.
It is called freedom of conscience which functions in conjunction with freedom of religion or no religion.
It is not their belief that directs them but their conscience formed through it. Two people can draw different positions from the same belief. Such is the preciousness of conscience.
Rather than taking the subjective “poor bloody me” position here we should be celebrating its exercise. It is not judgement of another, but rather, it is right action guided by a faith that is informed by reason. If you care to not react but think, the reasoning can be followed and understood, even if not agreed with.
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So should teachers start preaching their religious beliefs in schools? My reasons for beings athiest are quite rational and reasoned, maybe I should be more honest when kids ask me questions along those lines? Or maybe I should keep my religious beliefs to myself and be a professional.
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The Pharmacist acted according to his professional standards. Where teachers act according to their prescribed standards then what is the issue? And if a child asks you a question, reason alone dictates you have every right to answer to inform, not to preach. Then again one person’s kind word can be heard by a third party as a political / religious response. I think we need to be more charitable and look for good will rather than agenda setting.
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I was sitting in a doctors office once and she refused to do a pap smear or prescribe the pill. Interestingly though when I originally made the appointment to see her for these reasons, I wasn’t told of her beliefs. Quite the awkward situation to be told ‘sorry I wont help you please go back to the waiting room’. No explanation why at the time.
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This is such a minefield.
As a pharmacist, I’ve noticed a number of my colleagues are very firmly in the “moral and ethical right to choose to dispense/prescribe”, and others very much in the camp that believes as a medicine of non-addiction, it should always be provided to a patient (unless unsafe to do so).
I don’t think there is any good way to ‘change’ the current situation – if the morning after pill becomes a prescription-only item again, it means women have to get to a doctor inside the 48 hour window to receive a prescription and then find a pharmacy to dispense it (and let’s face it, if your community is anything like mine – it’s hard enough to see a doctor inside the week, let alone on a weekend!), which often means time off work or similar. If it continues as is, there will always be pharmacists who choose either not to sell or not to stock items they deem to be controversial.
My suggestion? That instead of displaying a sign that reads that this pharmacy/pharmacist/doctor doesn’t sell/prescribe the morning after pill, instead have a way of advertising those who DO. Whether that be a sign in the shop window, dispensary bench or on the reception desk at the doctor, or a website listing the MAP-friendly pharmacies and doctor’s surgeries in your area. Just like places are deemed to be breastfeeding friendly, perhaps they could be “Female Friendly”? It’s not a perfect system, but clearly we don’t have a perfect system at the moment. At the same time it still wouldn’t have helped in this case – as mentioned above, the pharmacist on duty was the only one employed in this pharmacy who wouldn’t have sold the MAP. And I must admit, I’ve never been asked by an employer, the registration board or the PSA if I am happy to sell the MAP. So many things to consider, no one way to fix it I don’t think.
I’m so sorry to read that some of you have had some truly horrific experiences with the various health professions – it saddens me to think of the judgement and discrimination that seems to occur, and hope it’s a rarity rather than a common occurrence.
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As a pharmacist can you comment on the 2011 Pharmacist Code Of Ethics Section 2.2 which states, “A pharmacist must : Recognise and respect consumer diversity, culture, beliefs, values and characteristics, and not discriminate on any grounds”.
Please help us consumers to understand the phrase “not discriminate on any grounds”.
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I was recently in Perth and noticed a pharmacy that did indeed have Emergency Contraception listed on its front window as something that it offers.
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I find it ridiculous that this pharmacist is allowed to refuse sale of the MAP. Why should HIS beliefs and morals impact his customers? We live in a modern,secular society and I think it’s completely unprofessional to refuse to sell certain medications due to your personal religious beliefs. I think this law should be altered immediately. Women should be allowed access to legal contraception from any pharmacy. It is THEIR body and THEIR choice not at the discretion of the pharmacist!
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I’m a pharmacist & have often been disgusted at my colleagues behaviours towards these sensitive situations. I have long believed that healthcare & religion should not be mixed. And I have the greatest empathy as this should never happen.
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I’m a pharmacist too and I totally agree. Oh and I’ve also taken the morning after pill.
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Legally, a pharmacist can refuse to dispense any prescription. (I’m a pharmacist)
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Even if the doctor says its necessary?
If there is no negative issue for the pt, and it’s a reasonable request – can you still refuse it?
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Sadly yes. Lots of issues in rural areas with sensitive subject
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The 2011 Pharmacist Code Of Ethics Section 2.2 States “A pharmacist must : Recognise and respect consumer diversity, culture, beliefs, values and characteristics, and not discriminate on any grounds”.
On what grounds do you believe that a pharmacist can a pharmacist legally refuse ? [I am aware of some e.g. forged prescriptions]
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It is hardly discrimination to refuse a service based on your personal morals. Discrimination would be refusing certain cultures , not dispensing for gays ect.
All health professionals have a right to follow their moral compass within reason.
And those ethical codes are not laws. Would you rather the man dispensed it and felt lie he aided a murder which in his eyes it is? Hardly fair when the woman got what she wanted over the road.
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