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Hannukah and Christmas coexisting.

 

 

 

 

by AVI VINCE

It is on every magazine at the newsagent…TomKat is no longer.  While speculation continues to run rampant, you can’t help but decide the reasons for the sudden split.  In the weekend paper, it was reported that the split had everything to do with Scientology.

That Katie Holmes didn’t want her daughter, now school age, to enter that world.  So much so, that Katie has enrolled high-heel wearing Suri into a Catholic school.  Whether it may be true or not, it begs the question, does it work when parents are from different religions?

As a product of parents with completely different religions, I can confidently say yes.  My parents are still married after 38 years. But it isn’t easy.

My mum is Christian and my dad is Jewish.  When they got married, and even today, this set up isn’t acceptable to many.  Mainly with the fact that my mum isn’t Jewish.  Which means I (and my siblings) can’t be Jewish.  In the Jewish faith, kids can only be mums religion…mainly because there is no doubt they are hers.  Not the most trusting of religions.  Anyways, it means that my dad’s Jewish sperm is completely wasted in creating Jewish children to continue the faith (and do a silent “screw you” to the previous Nazi agenda).

And while there were people who gave my parents grief when they got married, you would think it would’ve ended by the end of the seventies when free love was firmly in place.  Not quite.

I remember standing in line at primary school ready to enter the classroom (do you remember those days).  A line for the girls and a line for the boys.  It just so happened that two of the popular boys of our year stood opposite me in the boy’s line.  Never belonging to the girl’s popular crowd, I was amazed when they talked to me, “So, what religion are you anyway?”

At 9 years old, I had no idea what they were talking about.  No one had really taught me anything about religion.

I mean, I went to bible studies during lunch hour.  Not because I wanted to learn about the bible, but because my best friend wanted to go, and really, who else was I going to hang out with at lunch.  So I did my best friend duty and went along.  I didn’t even really understand what they were talking about.

All I remember was that there was someone called God, he apparently lived in the clouds (most likely with Care Bears who were up there too according to Saturday morning TV), and if you did something bad it was called a sin and you had to beg for forgiveness by saying a prayer.

I remember during one lunch time without bible studies, my best friend swore (I can’t remember why) but I think it was a pretty mild “Hell”.  I do remember the fear on her face for sinning and how we quickly said a prayer so that one day we could join God and the Care Bears.

“Well, do you celebrate Christmas?”  This answer I knew, “Yes.”  “So then you’re Christian.”  Great, I was Christian.  That seemed like a good one to be.  “So then why is your name Jewish?”

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Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes have different religions.

Thankfully, God looked down and prompted the teacher to come out and lead us into class.  Thanks God.

The boys, who turned out to be Jewish, were right.  My name is Hebrew and therefore, people often assume I am Jewish.  When I respond that I am half Jewish and half Christian, there is rarely a nice expression as a response.

In high school, I attended a school that was predominately filled with Jewish kids.  Not because it was religious but because their parents could afford it.  Being a little older and knowing more about religion and who I was, I enrolled in Jewish studies.

My mum was shocked why I would choose Jewish studies.  Not because she didn’t want me being Jewish, but because she didn’t think I had any interest in religion.  This was true.  But I figured if I had spent my lunch hours learning about Christianity, I should at least know a little bit more about the other 50% of me.

While the rest of the class (all 100% Jewish) were looking for an easy grade, I found it interesting.  So much so that the teacher started to like me because I did well in the class.  Until one assignment.

We had to write a report on our parents Jewish names and what they meant.  Apparently, when a Jewish baby is born they get a name (like John) and then a Jewish name (like Moses).  So I rushed home and asked my dad what his Jewish name is and wrote a killer assignment using all my available resources (e.g. encyclopaedias and my dad – this was pre-internet).  When the assignments were handed back to students, mine had big red writing saying “See me after class”.

So I saw the teacher after class, “Why did you only do half the assignment?”  I didn’t understand. “Why did you only write about your dad, you forgot to do your mother?”  Without thinking of the insensitivity of her question (I mean what if my mum was no longer alive?) I answered truthfully, “Oh, she doesn’t have a Jewish name.”

“And why is that?”  “She’s not Jewish, just my dad is.”  From the expression on her face, and the way she ignored me for the rest of the semester was my first lesson that my parents’ marriage wasn’t happily received by everyone.  And as a product of that marriage, I was the sin.

Thankfully, my skin is a little thicker now than back then, and I don’t care about which religion would please the popular boys or the teacher.  And I don’t pray for forgiveness after each sin I commit.Screen shot 2012 07 14 at 5.54.01 PM e1342269464736 One family. Two religions. Can it work?

I am proud to say that I choose neither religion.  But I chose both traditions.  I don’t go to church or the synagogue.  I battle the crowds every December at Myer for the latest, shiniest, glitteriest Christmas tree ornaments I can find.  The Christmas decorations would be up all year if I didn’t worry about looking crazy.  And I fast on Jewish New Year (Yom Kippur) to remember my Jewish grandmother who survived Auschwitz and all those who didn’t.

As a family we hide our Easter eggs in the garden, even though we are all adults and I always will.  And I eat like only a real Jew can at Jewish holidays (which usually includes 3 starters, 5 mains, 3 desserts and just a little more to finish the feast off).  I also pray each night to a God who has no name and no religion, but I am sure still hangs out with the Care Bears.

Regardless of how many times people ask me to choose a side, I don’t. But I can only confidently do this because of my parents, who have never shown favouritism to either religion or taught me that one is better than the other.

And that is why I feel for Suri, 50% Scientologist, 50% Catholic, with no one loving both.

Avi Vince works as a manager in a non-profit organisation. She is starting her freelance writing career and you can follow her blog here or at twitter here.

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  1. Anon

    Honestly, I am atheist and I don’t think I could marry someone religious. I just feel like fundamentally we would clash, including over how to raise our children. My partner is also atheist and it is something we discuss often – I don’t think I would be able to remain quiet with the person I was married to about my views, but I also don’t think it’s my place to try to tell someone else what to believe in, so it would be very hard.

    That said, if my kids asked to go to Church (or a mosque, synagogue or anything else!) I would take them, same as if they wanted to read any holy texts I would have no problem with that. So I’m not sure why I feel differently about my partner!

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  2. Evelyn

    What a well-written, insightful article. I really enjoyed it.

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  3. Caz Gibson

    Loved this article – I’m Agnostic I guess, simply because I don’t think anyone knows the real truth about these matters. Most religions have been contrived by men with an agenda (suppress the women – treat them like the hired help and NEVER let them be the “boss of anyone”, criticise and revile those who don’t subscribe to your religion, devise ways to get people to hand over their hard-earned cash in the form of donations, tithing, guilt-money etc.).
    I’m a lot like Mia though in my practical attitude towards religious festivals & holidays and my view is that it would be respectful to celebrate all of them if we want to – I don’t make judgements about people who find peace in some of these “belief-systems” but it sometimes baffles me as to how they could with so much guilt & punishment flying around. I often see them as being manipulated by the very people they trust. I also resent the accumulation of “holy brownie points” by doing “good deeds” – not exactly ethical in my book.
    Can a couple with a differing religious upbringing make a successful marriage ? Of course – particularly if their families “butt out” of their lives.

    I see lawyers’ footprints all over Katie Holm’s divorce strategy. Her public shift to the Catholic Church must purely be to get the Scientologists to back off – I can’t see them “taking on” the might of the Catholic Church, can you ?
    This story is useful as a trigger for discussion amongst us ordinary folk and in fact, anything that sparks a move to get people communicating is fine by me.
    Our lives really are short so try not to give away your precious freedom to anyone and “Keep it Simple”…lol.

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  4. punkie

    I guess it’s like everything in a relationship. If there is give and take then in theory it should work. If there are strong ties to each religion, particularly with the extended family (parents and in-laws, grandparents etc) I would imagine it would become testing.

    I was born in Northern Ireland – protestant. My mother’s family is baptist. My father’s family are Anglican. When my parents emigrated to Australia (I was only 9 months old) it was mainly due to the “troubles” in N’Ireland. We were brought up with no religion – both my parents felt that religion had caused so much pain and angst that they simply advised us that we were of no religion and to not discuss it with others.

    Coming from Northern Ireland, people who know this, immediately assume I’m catholic and that I would be really religious. I have always been astounded at the level of hatred aimed at me, on the assumption that I’m catholic. I have actually had a beer poured over me in a pub because a guy in the group thought I was Irish catholic and he hated them!

    When I married my husband (now ex – but nothing to do with religion) we were both non-religious, but if push came to shove I suppose we would declare Anglican. We were married 13 years until the issue of religion raised itself. And of all things in the naming of our first child. He wanted to call it Siobhan, which is an Irish Gaelic name. In Ireland, the name of your child will indicate what religion it is. And Siobhan was a very catholic name. I didn’t like the name myself, mainly because of the spelling (which makes no sense in this country). But my father went berserk when my ex told him what name he was considering. He ranted and raved and all of a sudden religion became an issue in naming our child. My grandmother, still living in Ireland, who I had always cherished and adored, mentioned that Siobhan was probably not the best name to choose, with all the other names out there. As I was not fussed on the name, I unashamedly used my grandmother (who my ex adored also) as an excuse. We settled on Abby, but my father still went nuts as it was a shortened version of Abigail (another recognised catholic name in Ireland). I got around it by saying we were calling her Abby and that was more American (it shut him up, sort of, as he also disliked the Americans – a very difficult man to please). Yes, I should have stood up to everyone – but sometimes I just choose to pick my battles and only choose battles where I need to end up winning the war! And don’t even start me when we started to name our son……….!

    When I met my now-hubbie’s aunty for the first time, it was on Good Friday.She was very standoffish with me. She took my husband aside and announced that she had made a vegetarian dish for me. He asked her why. She said because I was one of those “prickly catholics”. He told her I wasn’t. She then threw her arms around me and welcomed me to the family. This was in outback Queensland! She was Australian!

    I would imagine that if the extended family made it difficult it would take a very strong relationship to withstand it. It can and has been done, but it would definitely be a challenge. Unfortunately in a lot of marriages there are more than just the couple – and their views and issues often plague a marriage.

    Personally, I would love to think love can conquer all. And with that comes love, courage and respect of each other, including your beliefs.

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  5. AK

    I wrote a post here last night and it’s not here..?

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    • Mostly perplexed

      Probably censored by Mamamia for some obscure reason only apparent to the Mamamia team.

      Happens to the best of us.

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    • Anon

      Yes me too. Did you write something about Islam eg being married to a Muslim?

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  6. Anonymous

    I originally skipped over reading this article. Not sure why. Just didn’t sound too interesting to me – I’m have no religious background whatsoever so can’t identify with it, I guess.

    Very pleased that this has turned out to be an intelligent and well written piece that hits all the right notes – and that it didn’t turn out that one of the religions trumped the other.

    Nice, different piece MM.

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  7. Primaballerina

    I think 2 religions can co exist provided each person respects the other’s beliefs.
    My mum is catholic and dad an athiest (not really a religion but whatever). They were married in a church cos it was important to my mum. They had trouble finding a priest who would marry them though, cos my dad refused to ‘place himself before god’
    Me and my siblings were baptized, but it was important to my dad that we weren’t sent to catholic schools- he thought we’d be brainwashed and has this thing about ‘paedophile priests’.

    Generally, it works quite well, aside from my dad making occasional snide remarks about the catholic church. I dont mind because I join in too! I used to be catholic, but i have since moved away from it, as I disagree with the church on so many levels.

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  8. DLMY

    Just a slight clarification in the article. Doesn’t really affect the article but it’s niggling on me. Jewish New Year is Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, which is 10 days later, is the Day of Atonement.

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    • Anonymous

      Yes, I was trying not to read too much into that, but it was pretty glaring.

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  9. mumof4

    I wasn’t raised religious, mum tried to a little bit, but we were too busy surviving . (violent, alcoholic stepfather). I am an Athiest and have been for years. I have raised my children as atheists too. God and religion play no part in our lives. My kids can make up their own minds when they get old enough if they want to believe in something, but I refuse to put the fear of god in them.

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  10. Sarah

    There will always be some sort of conflict!! You just have to work through it.

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  11. Faybian

    Love your story. It would be nice to imagine that prejudice against one or another religion has gone, but that bias may just have shifted.

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  12. Ren

    What a great piece Avi. It’s always interesting to see other people’s views on religion.

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  13. KP

    As an adult I am not at all religious and I think this stems from the fact that my paternal grandfather was very, very religious and was always going on about God when we were kids. When my dad was a kid his parents refused to come and watch him compete in sport if it was on a Sunday. They didn’t believe in drinking or dancing so they never came to watch me complete in Physie or Ballroom dancing comps when I was a kid. At family dinners/events, he was forever getting up to have his say and making big speeches about God. He donated thousands and thousands of $ to the church and left them a hefty donation when he died. The priest didn’t even come to see him in his final days,
    Anyway, my mum was bought up Catholic and my dad as a Baptist. Neither my mum or dad’s side liked the fact that their child was marrying someone of that particular religion. When my brother and I came along we were both christened in the Uniting Church. Years ago I asked my mum why this was so and she said there would have been WW3 if we’d been christened Baptist or Catholic.

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  14. May!

    Hey MM team – Just letting you know I posted a comment here a couple of hours ago and it’s not up…

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  15. Emmat

    Great article! Thank you.

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  16. Anonymous

    My father was Jewish and my mother wasn’t. I was not raised with a religious upbringing either way. However, the circumstances did contribute to a very deeply felt identity crisis and I made the choice as an adult that my heart, mind and soul belonged to the Jewish tradition and I converted. Not for everyone, and it was a really difficult process.

    It’s not that easy to say that kids will choose ‘when they grow up’ because it’s hard to make a choice if you are ignorant about (either) faith – you have to be very motivated to learn what you missed out on as a child. People need to do what is right for them and there are great positives to pluralism and universal values. However, just remember that the effects on your children might not be wholly positive and may possibly lead to identity issues down the track.

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  17. SuperLadyjuliet

    To be honest I detect resentment about your Jewish background.Is it because you’re not technically Jewish?

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    • Super Whatahooha

      SuperLadyjuliet, I think your super powers may have gone awry. My super-resentment-detector did not pick up any author-subconscious-resentment while I was reading this superb article.

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    • Anonymous

      The fact that she didn’t commit wholeheartedly to the Jewish faith exclusively doesn’t mean she harbors some kind of resentment towards the faith as a whole.

      Maybe to the dodgy teacher who was clearly prejudiced against her ‘half blood’ nature, but so would anyone.

      I don’t think the sentiment “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” applied in this article like you insinuated it does.

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  18. Jennome

    To answer the question, it probably can work, but probably only if one party doesn’t care much one way or another.

    Back in the day (a looong time ago), my husband’s family were split like this. The oldest son was Protestant, the other two siblings were brought up Catholic. It was a disaster as far as my husband – who was the youngest – was concerned. A terrible thing to do to kids – what were the parents thinking?
    The result, of course, is that no one has attended any church for decades.

    We got married in the Catholic church, only ‘cos we were friends with the priest, and have never been back. I’m a devout athiest, was never christened, never went to church or Sunday school. Mum was a lapsed Catholic and Dad hated the Church who had hounded her for years. So that didn’t really count as a mixed marriage!

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    • Xanthe

      Could you please tell me what a “devout” atheist is?
      I’m not being snarky, or I don’t mean to be but the tone of “voice” is hard to convey in print I think. I’m really curious.
      You would have to be “devoted to” something, wouldn’t you, to be “devout?”

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      • elli

        Devoted to the belief that there is no god. Would ‘staunch’ make it easier for you?

        I’m a staunch agnostic – firmly of the belief that there may or may not be a god but, until I die and see what happens then, I won’t know.

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        • Xanthe

          Thanks for that, Elli – none of us will know until it happens, will we? Or doesn’t happen, as the case may be.
          Stay safe and happy, and may your god go with you…

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      • Mum of 2

        I think the use of ‘devout’ is tongue in cheek. They just mean that as devoted as the various religions are to their beliefs, the poster is just as ‘devoted’ to their version!

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        • Xanthe

          But what IS it, actually, that atheists don’t believe in?

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          • elli

            The presence of a god – any god – and the rituals that surround him/her/it/them. They believe that the world exists purely through natural means and that, when we die, we become worm food.

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          • JustAnotherGenY

            I agree, think the “devout” word itself is somewhat tongue in cheek…being an atheist myself, I can tell you that being one doesn’t JUST mean we don’t believe in God. We believe in science, predominantly, and that the presence of a God cannot be categorically proven. I love to point out too, that I have friends of many faiths and I would never judge them for their choices. I just think it would be nice if our identity wasn’t predetermined by a religion and in teuton I try not to be defined by my atheism.

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      • Jennome

        “Devout athiest”?? Merely a figure of speech.

        This athiest doesn’t believe in any god. I’m always astonished at the millions who spend their lives bowing and scraping, dressing up (the Catholic heirarchy in particular) and praying to their mythical friend in the sky with such solemnity. It’s laughable. And has caused most of the trouble in this world since time began.

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        • Anon

          Oh shut up.

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        • Faybian

          This, Jennome, is where you lose people. There is no need to make fun of other people’s beliefs. When you do this you become as bad as those that are biased against religions other than their own.

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        • princesstan

          Charming. I believe in God. The fact that you say ‘mythical friend’ is truly disgraceful.

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        • Mets

          Jennomme you’re laughable and narrrow minded.

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        • Anon

          *atheist

          My definition (as a member of the Atheist Foundation of Australia) is that though you can absolutely never be certain, I feel the evidence that God does not exist is so strong that I will live my life as if there is no God.

          I agree Jennome that religion has caused many problems in the world. However, it is the fundamental ‘I am better than you because of my belief (or lack thereof)’ that has led to most of these atrocities. I believe in open and frank discussion about religion, BUT never in belittling people or ‘laughing’ at their beliefs.

          There is a way to get your point across without being nasty.

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  19. Cinnamon

    I was born into a non-practicing muslim family. My sisters and I didn’t grow up with my parents teaching us a lot about our religion, we didn’t go to Islamic schools just general public schools. There is a lot of interfaith marriages within my family, both of my dad’s sisters are married to Catholics, my older sister is married to a Catholic and her children are baptised. I am not a religious person, I want to believe in a God but sometimes I’m not sure, I definitely wouldn’t label myself as anything even though my parents would say I’m a Muslim because I was born into it but if you don’t practise a religion can you really call yourself that? I had a traditional Persian wedding ceremony when I got married which involves some Islamic traditions, but I also had a church ceremony in the Hungarian Reformed Church for my husband’s side. Yet neither of us are religious so I don’t believe we will have any issues when it comes to kids. I know my husband wants our kids to be baptised but only because he was and I don’t have an issue with this.

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    • Kitten

      I would love to know what is involved in a traditional Persian wedding. I’m growing interested in learning more about Persian culture!

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      • Cinnamon

        Hi Kitten,

        Well first of all traditionally the ceremony is held at the bride’s parents house and is mainly attended only by family and relatives and of course very close friends as well, but mainly family (both from bride and groom’s side)

        There is a set up called ‘sofreh aghd’ which is a decorative spread (can be either placed on the floor or on a low table) – which the bride and groom sit at the head of.

        There are a few items placed on this spread:

        1- Mirror and 2 candles: Representing the bride and groom and their future.
        (before the bride sits down her veil is covering her face, when she sits next to the groom she removes her veil and her reflection is seen by the groom in the mirror).

        2- A tray with 7 herbs (poppy seeds, rice, angelica, salt, nigella seeds, black tea leaves and frankincense).

        3 – Seven sweets/pastries – served to guests after the ceremony.

        4 – Blessed bread – specially made with calligraphy style writing on it.

        5 – Bread (think like turkish bread), fetta cheese and greens – symbolising basic food to sustain life. Again served to guests after the ceremony.

        6 – Decorated eggs, walnuts, hazelnuts and almonds – symbolise fertility.

        7 – Pomegranates, apples and grapes.

        8 – A cup of rose water with rose petals inside – to perfume the air.

        9 – A bowl made out of rock candy.

        10 – A cup of honey: Straight after the bride and groom are married they each dip a finger in the honey and feed each other.

        11 – Esfand – this one is hard to explain it’s a type a seed that is set a light to smoke and the smoke is said to ward off evil eyes (I don’t know what the seed is called in English).

        12 – A bowl of coins – representing prosperity.

        13 – Holy book (depends on religion of the people getting married so either a Qu’ran or a Bible or Torah – yes there are Christians and Jews in Iran too – they are a minority but do exist). Some people also add poetry books like Hafez or Rumi.

        14 – Some Muslim families also add a prayer rug and prayer beads.

        15 – A long scarf/shawl made of silk is held above the bride and groom’s head during the entire ceremony, this is held up only by female relatives (traditionally single but nowadays doesn’t matter). Two large sugar cones are gently ground together above the bride and groom’s heads (the people holding the scarf take turns to do this) – symbolises showering them in sweetness.

        Another female has a needle and thread and sews through the scarf (just passes the needle and thread in and out) – this symbolises sewing the mother in laws tongue against saying anything bad (lol).

        Each bride’s spread is different of course depending on colour scheme etc. And not every one has these exact same items, though most do.

        Most of these traditions are set from the Zoroastrian period.

        Sorry it was so long hope it helped!

        P.S I attached a picture of my spread from my wedding to give you an idea.

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      • cinnamon

        Ahhh Kitten I sent you this longgg reply and it didn’t show up! Grrrr

        Anyway I’ll write it again lol:

        So traditionally the ceremony is held at the bride’s parents house and is attended by immediate family and close relatives (sometimes friends but only very close friends attend as well) – of course this is from both the bride and groom’s side.

        There is a spread that is set either on the floor or at a table called ‘Sofreh Aghd’ – There are different things set on the table to represent different things, and because I can’t be bothered to type it all out again here is the Wikipedia cut and paste version:

        The Seven Herbs: Khashkhash (poppy seeds), Berenj (rice), Sabzi Khoshk (Angelica), Salt , Raziyane (Nigella seeds), Cha’i (black tea leaves) and Kondor (Frankincense).

        The Seven Pastries: Noghl, Baklava, Toot (Persian marzipan), Naan-e Bereneji (rice cookies), Naan-e Badami (almond cookies) and Naan-Nokhodchi (chickpea cookie) are placed on the spread and traditionally served to the guests after the ceremony.

        Mirror of Fate and two candelabras, symbols of light and fire. When the bride enters the room she has her veil covering her face. Once the bride sits beside the bridegroom she removes her veil and the first thing that the bridegroom sees in the mirror should be the reflection of his wife-to-be.

        The Blessed Bread: A specially baked bread with calligraphy written on it.

        “Naan-o Paneer-o Sabzi”: Bread, feta cheese, and greens are also placed on the spread to symbolize the basic food that is needed to sustain life. They are traditionally served to guests after the ceremony.

        Symbols of Fertility: Decorated eggs, almonds, walnuts and hazelnuts.

        The Heavenly Fruits: pomegranates, grapes, apples.

        Persian Rose: A cup of rose-water and a rose extracted from the Gol-e Mohammadi (Mohammadan flower). This is to perfume the air.

        Shakh-e-Nabat: A bowl made out of rock candy.

        “Honey”: A cup of honey should be on the spread. Immediately after the couple is married, the bride and groom each dip one pinky finger in the cup of honey and feed it to one another.

        Esphand: The esphand and frankincense are sprinkled on a brazier holding hot coals producing a smoke to ward off evil eyes and purification.

        Coins: A bowl of gold or silver coins representing wealth and prosperity.

        The Sacred Text: The Avesta, Qur’an, Bible, or Torah is placed in front of the couple on the spread. Some families also add a poetry book such as Rumi’s Diwan-e Shams-e Tabrizi, Hafiz’s Divan, or the Shahnameh by Ferdowsi.

        Prayer Rug: A prayer rug (Jaa-ye Namaaz) or a traditional Iranian Termeh is placed in the center of the wedding spread. The prayer rug, open in the Aghd-cloth is to remind the couple of the importance of prayer to god, the prayer carpet also includes a small cube of clay with prayers written on it (Mohr) and a rosary (Tasbih). Non-Muslim families may or may not omit the prayer kit.

        A scarf or shawl made out of silk or any other fine fabric is held over the bride and bridegroom’s head (who are sitting by the Sofreh) by a few *unmarried female relatives (bridesmaids). Two sugar cones made out of hardened sugar are used during the ceremony. These sugar cones are softly ground together above the bride and bridegroom’s head by a happily married female relative (and/or maid of honor) throughout the ceremony to shower them in sweetness. The sugar drops in the held fabric, not on their heads.

        In spirit of humor, sometimes a few stitches are sewn on the cloth which is held over the bride and the groom’s head. The needle will have seven threads of seven colors and will symbolize sewing the mother-in-law’s tongue against saying anything rude or unholy to the bride in her future life.

        *traditionally it was unmarried female relatives but now it’s just any female relative married or not.

        These traditions are all stem from the Zoroastrian era and religious parts like adding a Qu’ran or other holy books came after (depending on the faith of the people getting married and yes there are Christians and Jews in Iran as well – they are a minority but they do exist)

        Each bride and groom has their own unique sofreh aghd depending on colour scheme etc.

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      • Cinnamon

        Oops my comment came up twice- wasn’t showing at all at first but got MM to fix and now there’s two replies.

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  20. OssieLeo

    Wonderful and well written article. I am Jewish but my kids dads aren’t. My children grew up knowing they are Jewish by birth but were raised by both traditions. I believe that my kids can choose for themselves what they want to believe in but so far, like me, they believe In God, a God that has no religion, just love..

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  21. Sharon @ Funken Wagnel

    I was raised without religion, so I doubt I’d be able to handle marrying someone with a religion. I think it’s great others can make it work, I just know I couldn’t. I like to think I’m tolerant of other religions etc, but I don’t want to have to raise my kids with beliefs I disagree with, or have all the pressure of it in the family

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  22. eternally

    A thoughtful, interesting article, thanks

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  23. Jay

    Great piece, Avi. I know a lot of people say that religion is no longer an issue ‘in this day and age’ but that’s just not true. I’ve seen relationships end over different beliefs, and even in my own relationship, my boyfriend has mentioned baptising our future children in his religion (interesting considering he doesn’t practise it!).

    I do agree, though, it is possible to co-exist — your case being a good example, where as a child, you weren’t forced into anything.

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  24. Elizabeth...

    This reminds me of my own parent’s marriage. They married in the early 60s when sectarianism was rife in Australia between Protestants and Catholics. My mother was Church of England and my dad was a Catholic. Each side absolutely LOATHED each other. There was bigotry on both sides.

    But what was important that they both shared the same values…ie…how to raise children, money, outlook on life etc. Thats what made the marriage work. Mum doesn’t agree on some aspects of Catholicism such as no to contraception or no to abortion but she could recognise that tenants of Catholicism was pretty much in align with her own faith and her own morals. My dad had no problems about her not converting to Catholicism because he understood her being Church of England was part of who she is and she shouldn’t have to change that. They were married for 43 years until my dad’s passing.

    Avi…I really loved your piece. It was well written and had a balanced viewpoint.

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  25. Rebecca

    Great write-up. My parents were raised Catholic (mom) and Protestant (dad). Due to conflict that occurred before they said their wedding vows, my parents decided to wed outside of the church. And to never bring religion into their marriage.
    They raised myself and their children with the religious basics – celebrate Christmas, Easter… Although Santa and the Bunny factored in just as much as religion did. It worked for them. And I had the chance to make up my own mind about religion.
    I believe there is a God, but that is the extent of my religious beliefs. I believe those who a t kindly in this life – no matter their faith – will have peace after death. I do not choose a religion because I have yet to find one where I agree wholeheartedly with its viewpoints. And it disappoints me that so many religions are intolerant of other religions.

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