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Do you have scales in your house? Are you a weigher? Obesity has just overtaken smoking as the leading cause of preventable health problems in Australia so it may be time to take a good hard look at ourselves. Or the scales.  Last week I read a column by Wendy Harmer who posed the question: Would you make your family hit the scales each week (and we’re not talking the frustration kind of hitting)? That’s what a friend of hers does. Wendy writes:

scales 300x250 A weekly weigh in. Would you? SHOULD you?

Scales: good thing bad thing?

My friend Val began the weigh-in when she came back from a solo trip overseas to find her 11-year-old son had stacked on two kilos in just three weeks. This was no “growth spurt”: there was the corroborating evidence of a pudgy muffin top. (Do boys have muffin tops? Let’s call them Kettle chip and Coke handles.)

Val vowed no kid of hers would miss out on the best things in life because he was fat. “We try to make a joke out of it,” she says. “But if the family’s putting on too much weight, we walk the dog a bit further or we walk to school. I cook low-fat meals, and treats are off the menu. My husband takes the boys to the park for soccer after dinner. They’re pretty quick to let me know if I’m letting the side down.

“But I enjoy the challenge. I know the boys are all happier when I’m skinnier, because I like myself more. I’m nicer to be around when I can fit into my jeans. And when my husband’s slim, he’s happier – probably because we’re having more sex!”

When Wendy told a group of friends about the idea, they all gasped in horror and she quickly realised it was because they were all the mothers of girls.

I understand this. When you have a daughter, it often feels like you walk an impossible line between obesity and anorexia. Say the wrong thing and you’re going to catapault her down the road to an eating disorder. Buy her McDonalds and she’s on the road to teen gastric banding.

Our awareness of the importance of giving our kids (espesh our daughters) positive body image messages has made many of us fearful to say anything if your child is overweight, or heading that way.

For some, the result can be a kind of paralysis, where the subject of weight becomes the ultimate no-go zone.

It’s not just with kids. The idea of telling your partner or friend that they’ve put on weight is almost as fraught.

I wrote a column about this a little while back:

bandwidth 300x297 A weekly weigh in. Would you? SHOULD you?

How do you handle weight conversations?

…..when someone you love is dangerously overweight and risking their health, the stakes are higher than hurt feelings. At myfatspouse.org, a site “for discussions about obesity and relationships” the advice is to tread carefully. “Attempting to change a wife or husband’s behaviour ranks up there with, “let’s invade Russia”, on the stupid idea list. Your attempt may very well backfire, and it’s likely you’ll end up with an angry and fat spouse.”

I have a friend who is neither fat nor angry although she does insist she’s put on about 6kg since Christmas. “The other day I was grumbling about how my legs looked like sausages and Ben said, “Yes darling, they do a bit and I seem to have stacked it on too. Shall we start pilates together again?”

When my friend told me this story with an easy laugh, I was struck by how rare it is for a man to be able to answer a question about their partner’s weight honestly without triggering an emotional meltdown. Not that every man who replies “Oh noooo, you’re bum doesn’t look big” is lying but hey, some of them are.

And they lie because we make them. When we ask ‘Have I put on weight?’ what we’re really asking for is reassurance that we haven’t, truth be damned. Men understand this and they comply.

For them, it’s different. Telling a man he’s gained weight registers about the same low frequency on the self-worth indicator as telling a woman “Gee, your hair got long”. He may not greet the news with a happy jig but it’s unlikely to send him into a spiral of self-loathing. There will rarely be tears or slammed doors. He won’t go on a sex strike. Mostly, he’ll just grab a handful of gut, shake his head a bit to process the information and then either do something about it or ignore you.

But women?  Like, whoa. Tell us we’ve gained weight and watch us shout or cry or go really, really quiet. We’ll prickle with shame or embarrassment and we’ll feel terrible about ourselves.

The reason men have learnt to be so fearful around the subject of our weight is because –unfortunately – our body image is so interwoven with our sense of self. This is why we often announce: “I feel so fat!” when fat is not technically a feeling. Remember that the next time you ‘feel’ fat because what you’re feeling? It’s something else. Boredom, frustration, anger, disappointment, despair, depression, loneliness….all feelings. Fat? That’s a description. You can’t feel it.

The weight conversation between my friend and her partner was refreshing because he respected her enough to be honest and she respected herself enough not to freak out. It was an observation not an indictment and she recognised it as such, knowing that her self-worth doesn’t live in her muffin.

So. My point is this. For so many women, an aspect of our self-esteem IS tied up with our weight. Shouldn’t be but often is, even if it’s just subconsciously. We’re obviously keen not to give our kids any complexes about their weight but does that mean turning a blind eye to weight gain for fear we might say the wrong thing?I’m not sure about weekly weigh-ins but I do admire the way Val is able to have such a no-nonsense attitude to weight. Gaining a few kilos in her household is not cause for hand-wringing or poor self-esteem. It’s just a prompt to move a little more, eat a little less. And is there anything wrong with that message?

Also, I don’t believe that the idea of being in a healthy weight range is in any way contradictory with the idea of positive body image. Despite what some suggest, I think it is absurd to think that images of skinny girls plastered across every aspect of pop culture will help keep people thin. People with poor body image are highly likely to binge or emotionally overeat.

How do you handle this very delicate subject in your family? And how was it handled in the family when you were growing up?

Personally, I’m not a weigher. We have scales in our house but they’re rarely used and I’m very conscious of not wanting the kids to weigh themselves regularly. Perhaps that’s wrong.

Do you find yourself walking a fine line between a fear or obesity and fear of eating disorders with someone you love?

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  1. Safzoro

    People still assume that the advice – “eat less, move more” – given with pity, distain or a patronising sneer, will help people lose weight. News flash: It doesn’t. The amount of people who can lose weight and keep it off is very small, and it’s not like people have never heard the advice before. Nor are they lazy. I’ve been unsuccessfully dieting for some 20 years – last year I lost 19 kg, but have put back on about 9. I exercise every day. I eat my veggies. I cook every meal from scratch. I don’t eat junk, at all. Statistically speaking, the likelihood is that I will have regained it all within 5 years. Preaching at me is NOT going to help. Eat less, move more? Ikr. Doesn’t work.

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  2. J

    Everyone has a weight range that they feel comfortable in, whether it’s gauged by scales, the mirror, a pair of jeans, or their five year old.

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  3. Donna B

    Its interesting that the body debate is still so in our faces. I wrote about this on my blog, The Motherhood Truth, recently – the more this is in the media, the greater the problem is going to get, and its not just an issue with teenage girls anymore. Lets focus on health. Happiness. Morals. And unless somebody is getting into danger, maybe we can stop focusing on weight.

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  4. Fi

    Two kilos in three weeks? That’s called a big meal. My weight flies up and down during the day – I can, and usually do, go up and down about a kilo in the course of a day.

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  5. ozinuk

    Whilst I don’t own any scales, I’m still inclined to be a “weigher” if the opportunity arises.

    Both my Mum and my sister struggled with their weight and still do – fluctuating to both the upper and lower end of what is determined as a “healthy” weight range. As a child/teenager, I was always the skinny sister and vividly remember being in a changing room with my sister in tears as she couldn’t find anything to fit… and wondering why we were so different despite us eating pretty much exactly the same thing, day in and day out.

    I think being comfortable & HEALTHY in how you feel is key. The focus on how you “look” shouldn’t be the issue, the focus should be on how healthy you are.

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  6. Eliza

    I think it’s a bad idea for children because you don’t want to impose body image ideas. If you’re worried about their weigt, you’re the parent, control their diet.
    However, I weigh myself everyday because research says people who weigh themselves everyday are more likely to either maintain or lose weight. It’s worked sinse I started, I’ve lost 5kg and kept it off for 4 months now

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    • Anonymous

      I agree, weighing myself every day works for me, otherwise the kilos creep on.

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  7. MM

    I am slim and watch my weight but avoid the scales, rather I find the fit of my jeans and clothes in general the best measure of weight gin/loss. I guess I am kinda against family ‘weigh ins’ I think this might be because I feel that yes it can lead to an unhealthy focus on weight for some individuals and even obsession/addiction to diets and weighing oneself. I believe there needs to be a shift from the short term focus on scale weight to weight being seen as a reflection of LONG TERM lifestyle habits. If people like weighing themselves its up to them but I would suggest monthly rather than weekly or daily….

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  8. Georgie

    I’m a small-all-over person. Both short and thin. I think we had scales in the house when I was a teenager and they were mainly used by my Dad. Mum never used them, I can’t remember the kids using them either. Our lives were vastly different to the average kids of today. For starters we walked a few kms everyday to catch the bus to school, to the supermarket, everywhere. This was a necessity because my Mum didn’t (still doesn’t) drive.
    Fast forward 25 years and my Mum is in her 60s and still the same weight. I’ve only recently learnt to drive but I dislike it enough that I walk my daughter to and from school, and walk the 3kms to the nearest shopping centre for grocery shopping. It takes about 20 mins each way. Great weight bearing exercise on the way home! If I need to go further or buy heavier items, I catch the train or bus. My parking phobia means that I always park a long way from the station. Everyone always seems so obsessed with getting a “close” park. I’d prefer to walk. I guess there’s a real “walking” theme to my whole life and my Mum’s.
    There are definitely no scales in our house. Occasionally (a few times a year) I weigh myself either in a shopping centre or on a wii balance board. Except for pregnancy, my weight has been within 2 kgs since I was 16 (39 now). I enjoy my food, as does my family. How much and what we eat has never been a focus, but I think we have a balance between the healthy and unhealthy food groups. I’m hoping my daughter learns to enjoy a life of walking everywhere like her Mum and Grandmother.
    Ok, I’m off for a walk.

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  9. Stella

    Great post Mia and I have so many thoughts buzzing through my head right now, I won’t be able to cover them all. Here are a couple though:

    I love Val’s approach to her family in regards to health, weight and exercise.

    I don’t think anyone needs to step onto the scales for confirmation that they are overweight. Even a couple of kilos makes a difference on how your clothes fit you.

    We were never weighed as children but I do think that the issue of weight should have been considered and talked about in our family. Here is why… My sister started to get quite big when she was about 13 and year after year, she kept getting larger. She was an emotional eater (like a lot of people). Our mother has also put on weight continuously over the years. Both mum and sister not interested in exercise at all and never mentioned that they themselves had become larger.

    Fast forward 20 years and my sister has just last week reached her goal weight of losing 30kg over the past 12 months. For the first time in her life she became focussed on nutrition, portions, daily exercise. She has been inspirational.

    During her weight loss journey she told me that she learnt to eat the way had been all those years from our mum.

    I am a mother of 2 girls and want them both to have a healthy relationship with food, nutrition and exercise. It’s going to be a huge task but I’m up for the challenge. I will absolutely do everything in my power to keep them healthy – and that includes fit from exercise, and at a weight/size that allows them to be happy and partake in physical activities.

    Kids learn everything from their parents. If a child is unhealthy (fat or not), it’s the parent’s fault. I’m ready for the onslaught, but I truly believe this.

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    • Nada

      Stella,

      Please, for your children’s sake, read the experiences of people for whom weight was made a big issue of when they were children.

      You and ‘Val’ might think it ‘no-nonsense’, but what you perceive and what your children will perceive are entirely different matters. Children are extremely sensitive to what their parents think of their bodies.

      Certainly, do ‘everything in your power’ to keep them healthy. But don’t do ‘everything in your power’ to keep them thin. You seem to equate health and thinness – but health and weight are not one and the same – please do some research on this. Your believing things to be true does not make them so.

      And the bigger the deal parents make of their children’s weight, the more they hurt them.

      Re your sister, she will have a hell of a time keeping the weight off. Something like 98 percent of people who lose weight will not succeed in keeping it off for longer than two to five years. Make sure you let her know you love her for who she is, regardless of what she weighs.

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      • Christie

        Nada I didn’t see anything in Stella’s post that indicated she equated health and thinness. Not anywhere. In fact she wrote of desiring for her daughters a healthy relationship with food, nutrition and exercise, devoid of scales.

        I found your comments re. her sister very generalised and negative. If she has learned healthy nutrition and exercise habits and has lost her weight gradually (as she obviously has – 30kgs in 12 months is signficant but not drastic by any means) there is no reason she shouldn’t be able to keep the weight off.

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      • Stella

        Nada
        I think you need to re-read my original post. NEVER, did I even mention the word ‘thin’. And I certainly never said I ‘would do everything in my power to keep them thin’. Please, don’t put words in my mouth. In fact, I would find such a comment made by a parent quite worrying.

        I will not, as you put it ‘do some research’ on health and weight being the same thing. You are assuming you know what knowledge I have (or don’t have).

        I also never said I would make weight a ‘big issue’ with my children. FYI, my 3 year old (with a vast vocabulary) doesn’t even know words like ‘thin, skinny, fat, ugly’ – that’s because we don’t use these words in our house.

        It sounds like you are assuming that because I will educate my children on a fit and healthy lifestyle, that I am going to bang on about weight. I did already mention in my original post that I don’t even think people need to hop on the scales to know if they have gained weight.

        Re your comments about my sister – your negativity about her recent loss is astounding. Do you always retort to a success story (of any kind) with such negative comments? Also, I take offence that you think I need to tell her I love her no matter what her size. Did I make a comment somewhere to make you think I love her more now that I did a year ago?? For gods sake, she is my sister, I love her no matter what. Being proud of someone’s achievements (weight related or not) does not mean you loved them before they reached a goal.

        Lastly, two causes that I am most passionate about are Stephanie Alexander’s Kitchen Garden Foundation and Jamie Oliver’s quest to educate youth around the world about consuming fresh, seasonal foods. Neither of these causes promote anything about being ‘thin’, but about eating good, nutritious food to help prevent and fight obesity.

        Thoughts Nada?

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      • Nada

        Stella,

        Forgive me: given that your third, fourth, fifth and sixth paragraphs of your post (ie. the majority) were addressing weight specifically, and then your seventh – the corollary – was about health, it did seem that weight was the thrust of your argument, in the context of health. Apologies if I misread that. I didn’t misquote you or put words into your mouth at all; I agreed that doing everything within your power to keep your kids healthy was great – but that it was a mistake to equate weight with health.

        Re your sister, see my thoughts below. The reality is that dieters overwhelmingly lose and gain the same 10, 20, 30 kilos over and over again, resulting in a higher weight each time, and creating a whole raft of health problems. If they didn’t, weight loss industries would go broke overnight. In reality, dieters would do better to maintain a higher weight than repeatedly stress their bodies with such drastic losses – and regaining – of weight.

        Christie,

        The vast majority of people who lose weight don’t keep it off. That’s a fact. Sorry if you don’t agree with it.

        There are plenty of reasons Stella’s sister may not be able to keep the weight off – many of which have nothing at all to do with her behaviour, nutritional knowledge etc, but instead has to do with our bodies doing everything within their means to defend a weight that may be much higher than we would like it to be.

        Sure, mine may be a negative portrayal of the process of weight loss – but that’s because the process itself is usually fraught with failure, and dieters generally get blamed for their ‘failure’, when they’re not to blame at all. Sorry, I’m not going to paint a rosy picture, because mostly, there’s just no rosy picture to paint, no matter how much everyone likes a happy ending.

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      • Stella

        Nada

        In response to your reply to me:

        Yes, I did mention ‘weight’ several times in my originl post. Because, isn’t that what this whole post is esentially about?

        I don’t think it is a mistake to equate health and weight at all. Quite the opposite in fact. Please note, nowhere am I mentioning (or have mentioned) the word ‘thin’. Obesity can lead to all sorts of health problems: diabetes, heart disease, musculo-skeletal problems, high blood pressure, sleep apnea, gall bladder disease, liver disease, asthma – shall I go on?

        It is my opinion that anyone who thinks that weight and health are not directly linked, is kidding themselves.

        For any person, age and height, there is a ‘heatlhy weight range’. Even with my sister losing 30kgs (she weighed over 100kg a year ago and was obese), she is at the high end of her healthy weight range. She has (as Christie put it) learned about nutrition and exercise. She is now training to run a half-marathon by the end of this year.

        For the record, I personally am at the mid-high end for my helthy weight range. As long as I am pysically fit and eat healthy (non processed crap) I am happy. And this is what I would wish for my children.

        To use your phrase ‘for the sake of my children’ I will absolutely teach them about health, nutrition and exercise. I feel sorry for children whose parents don’t teach them about health.

        Who would not wish for their child to be fit, healthy and happy?

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      • Nada

        Stella,

        ‘Obesity can lead to all sorts of health problems: diabetes, heart disease, musculo-skeletal problems, high blood pressure, sleep apnea, gall bladder disease, liver disease, asthma – shall I go on?’

        Wow – you have conclusive evidence that correlation equals causality in all of these illnesses? Not everyone would agree with you.

        ‘In recent years, most rich countries, and some poorer ones, have seen a massive rise in so-called “metabolic syndrome”, whose symptoms can include insulin resistance, high blood cholesterol and an increased risk of diabetes, heart disease and stroke. That the syndrome goes hand in hand with obesity is well known, but exactly how all these conditions are linked is unclear.’

        http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527513.700-obesity-food-kills-flab-protects.html

        ‘… a remarkable change in perspective has come from the discovery that obesity actually provides people with temporary protection from the harmful effects of fat.’ Editorial, New Scientist, March 10, 2010

        ‘In the 12 years during which the subjects were followed, Blair’s study found that the risk of dying was more closely linked to fitness than fatness. People who were fit but obese had a lower risk of dying than people who were unfit but of normal weight. That’s important, says Blair, because while many overweight people find it hard to get slim, they could still become healthier with more exercise. It’s a point he would like doctors to bear in mind when advising overweight patients.’

        http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527421.800-can-you-be-fat-and-fit.html

        Kidding themselves? Or wanting to know how the pieces of this puzzle *really* fit together, outside of our cultural perceptions of thinness, health and beauty?

        You say: ‘Who would not wish for their child to be fit, healthy and happy?’

        As far as I’m aware, nobody said they – nor you – wouldn’t.

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      • Stella

        Nada

        Actually, there is a huge amount of research and evidence that obesity CAN lead to SOME of these problems for SOME people. I certainly never said there was causality in all of these illnesses.

        Interesting article you copied there as well, it is certainly the first I have read like it. I do agree that fitness is hugely important, but personally find it hard to think someone can be ‘fit but obese’. But, I’d be glad to read more research and evidence on this topic.

        I am aware that you didn’t suggest I wouldn’t want a healthy and fit future for my children, but you did suggest that I ‘equate health and thinness’ (mis-quoted) and that ‘it was a mistake to equate weight with health’. Sorry, I think we just have to agree to disagree on this point.

        If you believe in the findings in the article you copied, then that is your choice. But as you said yourself ‘Your believing things to be true does not make them so’.

        From your post Nada – “You say: ‘Who would not wish for their child to be fit, healthy and happy?’ As far as I’m aware, nobody said they – nor you-wouldn’t.”

        But Nada, you did say ‘please, for the sake of your children…’ I’m all for a healthy (excuse the pun!) debate, particularly on subjects that I feel strongly about. However, I do ask that unless people know me personally – and my children, they refrain from using phrases like ‘please, for the sake of your children’ – it sounds as though I am going to put them in harms way. But hey, I’m probably just being sensitive here because my girls mean the world to me and this is a topic close to my heart! 

        Lastly, regarding my sister again and your comments re the diet industry. I do agree the diet industry would be dead tomorrow if ‘diets’ worked. My sister, on the other hand didn’t buy into any ‘detox’ or ‘slimming program’. Instead, she educated herself with much research on nutrition and exercise and ultimately reached a goal she set for herself. Lucky for her, she doesn’t have people telling her at this point that she will ‘have a hell of a time keeping it off’.

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      • Nada

        Stella,

        There were a few articles/research papers I quoted from there. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Go for your life in researching more. I think you’d find it most intriguing.

        Of course, you have the right to “find it hard to think someone can be ‘fit but obese’”. But do be aware that it wouldn’t be so strange to find that prejudice, ridicule and public scrutiny/shaming is also one very strong factor in keeping people who are ‘overweight’ from exercising. As one of the researchers said, it can be a vicious circle.

        Yes, I did say that you seem to ‘equate health and thinness’. I think we’ve covered that already.

        ‘If you believe in the findings in the article you copied, then that is your choice. But as you said yourself ‘Your believing things to be true does not make them so’. Like many others who believe in the process of researching ideas from many different perspectives, I’m interested in hearing multiple viewpoints on ideas that we tend to take as ‘commonsense’. After all, only 400 years ago, most people believed it was ‘commonsense’ that the Earth was the centre of the universe.

        What I’m saying is that the evidence is far from conclusive about these issues – including the relationships between obesity, health and illness. It’s prudent to investigate the different ideas that researchers and peer-reviewed journals put forth about these issues. That’s what I believe.

        I’m a parent too, and I do believe that your children are the centre of your universe, and that’s exactly how it should be. I didn’t mean to infer that you’d put them in harm’s way. I’m sorry if I offended you with my words. I’m sure you’re an utterly awesome mother.

        Unfortunately re: the diet industry, so many euphemisms are used. Detoxes, slimming programs, eating programs, eating plan… The reality is still that, over the years, your sister will most likely have a hell of a time keeping the weight off. And I do hope that somebody tells her that, because if she does in fact find it to be the case, she might not feel so terrible about herself. The harsh reality is that there’s very little evidence to support ANY weight loss method/approach that allows people to keep weight off permanently. But, hand on my heart, I truly hope your sister proves me wrong.

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      • Stella

        Nada

        Yes, there are certainly many papers, studies and outcomes that could be researched. Both from your side of the argument and mine (ie: that obesity can lead to an array of health problems).

        At the end of the day though, this whole debate really began because I believe you misconstrued some things I said. You suggested I might do ‘everything in my power to keep my children thin’. Something which I never, and would never, suggest. And also that I might ‘make a big issue about weight’ with my children. Again, something I never actually said.

        Providing your children with an education (on various subjects) does not mean a parent is going to ‘make a big issue’ about it. Just now I have been playing with my 3yo who brought an alphabet puzzle out from her bedroom. Because I was playing a game with her that was about the alphabet, does that mean I am ‘making a big issue’ about her learning to read? I don’t think so. I was just playing with her, a game that she chose and is interested in (today anyway – you know how fickle 3 yo’s can be, tomorrow she will only want to play in the sand!)

        Going back to your first reply to me, I am certainly aware that children are extremely sensitive to what their parents think about their bodies. I am someone who now as an adult, is asked if I was ever teased as a child about a couple of particular physical attributes of my own. And I can honestly say that I wasn’t. I believe this is because such attributes were never highlighted to me throughout childhood and I was therefore never made to consider myself different or in the minority. I know I am lucky in this case compared to some, but I would like to think that those aspects of my upbringing will shine through in my own ever-discovering-parenting skills.

        And I realise I will probably sound like a broken record here, but it is still my belief that a child’s education about nutrition, health and fitness starts in the family home.

        Forget fancy clothes and toys, the most important thing I can give my children is a taste for healthy, un-processed food and a positive, fun view on physical activity – which in turn, can lead to a long healthy life.

        But, like with everything, each to their own, right?

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      • Lulu

        Stella, in your first comment you said : “I love Val’s approach to her family in regards to health, weight and exercise. ”

        Now, considering that ‘Val’s approach’ included the idea of weekly weigh-ins, please understand that this might be why you gave the impression that you might ‘make a big issue about weight’ with your children. You may not have used the actual words, but there is no mistaking what message weekly weigh-ins would give.

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      • Stella

        OK Lulu, good point and I apologise for any conflicting message I may have sent there. I actually didn’t even remember the point about weekly weigh-ins in Val’s story. Sorry, lots of informtion running through my head.

        I did still say though in my first post, that I didn’t think anyone needed to hop on scales to see if they had gained weight. I thought this indicated that I was not into weighing-in, but maybe not. Sorry.

        I did say I liked Val’s approach but didn’t say I would do it with my own family…. so…. can I refresh my comment about liking Val’s approach EXCEPT for the weekly weigh-ins? I don’t do it myself and wouldn’t do it for my kids.

        Hope this clears it up a bit and thanks for pointing it out to me.

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      • Spilt Milk

        Stella, you sound like a parent who is committed to your kids’ wellbeing, and you’ve thought about these issues. That’s great! I would like my daughter to learn about health too. I would like her to enjoy plenty of exercise (because it’s fun, good for her and will make her feel good) and eat a varied diet, including plenty of fruit and veg (because it’s yummy, will fuel her body, will make her feel good, and set her up for healthful eating habits her whole life.)

        BUT I don’t equate thinness with health, and I am extremely skeptical of any diet (‘lifestyle change’ is usually a euphemism for diet). I would never encourage my daughter to equate thinneess with health, either, even subconsciously.

        Since you are interested in health and nutrition and the wellbeing of children, you might like to do a bit more research about the supposed link between obesity and health, and the Health At Every Size approach. There are resources available at Bri King’s website mentioned here, and plenty of books by Linda Bacon, Ellyn Satter, Kate Harding and others. The Fat Acceptance community is full of fit and fat people – some of whom run half-marathons and also measure as obese! So whilst I’m happy that your sister is feeling healthy and fit now, I think it’s important to think of her ‘achievement’ in terms of reaching fitness goals, not in kilos lost.

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      • Stella

        Oh my goodness!

        Spilt Milk, once again, I also NEVER SAID I equate THINNESS with health! Why do I keep getting comments indicating that is what I think? It’s making me dizzy. Do you think that is what I have said somewhere?

        I really don’t understand how a parent wanting to to educate her children on health, nutrition and fitness and also a woman who is proud of her sisters’ achievements has turned into such a hoo ha.

        Re your comment about my sisters weight loss, I never said I wasn’t proud of her achievements in relation to health. I also mentioned how she is now training for a half-marathon – that’s a positive comment about fitness, not weight. Obviously I need to apologise for mention the XX amount of kilos she lost because it is offensive to some people. Forgive me, but I couldn’t think of another way to describe how she had reached her goal. And it was HER goal after all.

        On a softer note, I hope we both keep working towards our goal of teaching our own children about health.

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      • Spilt Milk

        Stella, you did state that you “personally find it hard to think someone can be ‘fit but obese’.” Right there, you’ve made a statement about how someone’s size determines their health/fitness. If you make statements like that, of course the assumption will be that you think fat=unhealthy. You’ve also said you’d like to read more evidence and information on the topic, hence I suggested some places to start. I’m sorry that my response made you feel dizzy – it was well-intentioned.

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      • Stella

        Yes, I think we have already determined (many times now), that I don’t think it is a mistake to equate weight and health. I don’t think there is any need for anyone to keeping bringing that up.

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      • Melanie

        You are contradicting yourself a little there, Stella. First you say you don’t equate thinness with health, then you actually state that you don’t equate weight and health in your next comment. Which is it, exactly?

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      • Stella

        Melanie, the word ‘thinness’ is not the same as the word ‘weight’. ‘Weight’ refers to the heaviness of an object – light or heavy.

        As I’ve stated several times, I never even used the word ‘thin’ and DO NOT equate health with thinness (these were Nada’s words, NOT mine). I can equate the word ‘weight’ and the word ‘health’ though. In my opinion, being vastly overweight is not healthy (yes, yes, I know many people do not agree, but it is MY opinion) and being vastly underweight is not healthy. There, I have mentioned two vast ends of the ‘weight’ spectrum.

        Obviously, when some people read that I think weight and health are directly linked, they have read into it that I think thinness and health are related. I never, ever said this.

        I have been advocating all along that a combination of nutrition knowledge and exercise is healthy.

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      • Melanie

        So you wouldn’t call “normal” weight (you know, the range between the two extremes of overweight and underweight that you keep referring to)”thin”? Most people would.

        Also, you want her to be not overweight (not fat). That is commonly referred to as being thin.

        I do think you are either being disingenuous, or you are having some serious cognitive dissonance here.

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        • Stella

          No Melanie, I don’t see ‘normal’ weight as being the same as ‘thin’. I would see it as being ‘average’. To me, ‘thin’ is the same as ‘slim’ which refers to a person having very little body fat. An ‘average’ size person has more than ‘very little body fat’ (like myself for example).

          Do you really have to turn this into an attack on my sincerity? I find your words in the last paragraph upsetting to be frank.

          What happened to be people being allowed to have opinions of their own? You obviously have your own opinions on this subject and I’m not attacking your mental state.

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          • Lyka

            I woundlt. 8bilion are way too muich for me, even if i had i woundlt u_u’btw i am 15 years old and i am a very smart someone. Unlike you that hide the facts that all humans are greedy no matter the situation, thy always want, its a fact.

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  10. L

    As a child my mother never put any focus on food or weight. There was never any emphasis on “good food” vs “bad food”. There were also no “treats” and we never got food as a reward. We had a house full of fruit and snacks and we would eat what we wanted, when we wanted.

    I don’t think my mother did this on purpose, but it seems to have been effective. My family are healthy and weight has never been an issue, food is just not a big deal for us.

    The only rule I have, is that I would never give my kids food as a reward, it creates the mindset that unhealthy food is special or a “treat” which is ridiculous. There are far more suitable rewards for good behaviour.

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  11. andanotherthing

    When I was a kid my mother incessantly told me that I was fat, ugly and stupid. I kid you not she counted every biscuit, piece of fruit etc in the house to control my eating and prevent me from snacking. Whether it was healthy snacking was irrelevant. I was never allowed to eat between meals, we never had takeaway and I never had a lunch order or money to spend at the canteen. She made a wardrobe of glamorous clothes for herself, but told me incessantly that she would get no joy out of making me anything because I was fat. And because I was too fat I did not deserve any nice clothes. I was supplied the basics and despite having large breasts a friend of hers gave me a bra because she refused to purchase me one. Her and her partner ate treats in front of me that I was denied because I was too fat. Ironically, if I was overweight it would have only been by a couple of kilo’s. There was absolutely no nutritional or physical reason for me to be carrying that weight.

    To cut a looooong story short, suprise, suprise, I have had serious weight, body image and self-esteem issues my entire life.

    Whilst I realise that my mother’s behaviour sits on the extreme end of the scale…PLEASE, PLEASE BE VERY MINDFUL OF THE MESSAGES YOU GIVE YOUR KIDS!!

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    • Julia

      OMG, this is awful. It actually sounds abusive. Stay strong – I hope you will be able to overcome this.

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    • Amy

      I’m am so sorry for what you had been through. x

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    • MM

      this is so sad, stay strong, I am glad you recognise the negative impact this has had on you and I hope someday you can work your way through it, best of luck
      M x

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    • andanotherthing

      Thank you Julia, Amy and MM, you’ve made a difference.

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    • Spilt Milk

      I’m so sorry to hear this. I hope things are much better for you now.

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    • lebay

      This also happened to me. No treats, no snacks, the smallest dinner (even though I was the oldest child). My mother even counted the lollies! But still I was fat, to her standards, it was more stocky. I didnt get my 1st pair of jeans till I was 15 cos she said I was too fat to wear them. No fashionable clothes. I left home at 18, married at 19, first child at 20. I piled on weight. After my second child I went to the dr, I was starving myself and no weight loss, only gain if I ate. I discovered that I have an underactive thyroid and other health problems, including a slow metabolism that was made worse by the food restrictions as a child. Thanks Mum. Took my parents 10 years to accept that I had something wrong (and the Dr taking them aside and yelling at them) My parents have a child who is a drug addict and one who is fat. They are more embarrassed by the fat one.

      Please please PLEASE be careful what you say and do, hurts like this never go away. There are many things worse in this world than being fat. Watch their intake, watch the level of excercise (I was not allowed to do sport because I was incordinated and embarrassed my parents) but please be mindful when speaking about weight and size.

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    • Kathleen/magikquilter

      You have my empathy and I am pleased you shared this as a friend of mine is doing that now, but with her adult daughter who has in her mind and words, “become disgusting and unsexy.”

      I refuse to accept that from my friend and constantly confront her by saying so you must think I look disgusting and unsexy, as I am a similar size. She says no, but she stands by her victimization of her daughter.

      She says her daughter was beautiful and sexy but not now. Her daughter believes it and now has a daughter herself, which is frightening.

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  12. Charlotte

    I weigh once a week. I never, ever used to weigh…we didn’t even have a set of scales in the house, but once I found myself trying on new clothes in a size 16 I knew I had to do something.

    Since changing my “lifestyle habits” (I don’t like to use the word diet in my house) through one of the programs that is in the media, I can honestly say that I have never felt better. More energy, sleep better, not an absolute biatch to everyone around me.

    My daughter seemed to be getting bigger which saddened me, becuase at 8 years old, she was beginning to get self conscious of her tummy. Even she has slimmed down and is feeling more confident.

    One of the most important things for my family, is that we have ALL learnt the importance of healthy eating and PORTION CONTROL (we used to eat waaayyyy too much).

    As an aside, I can see how obesity has taken over smoking…I gave up smoking and piled on the kilos!

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    • BlackSwan

      I have a similar story; never use to weigh until i bought a pair of pants in a size 16.
      since then I’ve made some big lifestyle changes, have MUCH smaller portions and weigh at least once a week (sometimes more) its been great so far, I’ve lost 10kg and still have some more to go to get to my healthy weight range and I haven’t felt better for it!
      What parents do when were kids have a huge impact on us but everyone can change there outlook.

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  13. Missamoo

    i was 15 and doing ballet fulltime, i was put on a FAT list which was pinned to notice board with directions for peopl on the list to see the director of the school. EVETY monday morning i was put on the scales and told to lose weight (i’m 5’7″ i was supposed to weigh 48kgs i weghed 55kgs) i know have serious problem whenever i try to lose weight even though now i am considerd overweight. Measuring is better as it fluctuates less

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  14. Grrrrrr

    In our house it’s the truth. Mummy has had to lose weight a few times and so has gone on a diet and visited the gym more. This is explained as Mummy needs to be more healthy, not because I worry if my bum looks big!
    I like the effect that losing weight has on my looks but I am happier with how I feel and the good it does my health and energy. Gaining and losing weight has been a natural response to pregnancy and having small children. It is a battle for me at the moment but only because I’m not at my best energy and health.
    The children can weigh themselves if they want but they are still quite young so I guess this makes it easier. I like the straight forward approach and don’t put stock into the “how I look” factor, hopefully this will put my three in good stead, girls and boy!

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  15. Melanie

    “The two major causes of child overweight are 1) misinterpreting a child’s normal size and shape and labeling it overweight and 2) imposing food restriction.”

    — Ellyn Satter

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  16. Jaded Vixen

    There were always bathroom scales in our house growing up but I can never remember weighing myself as a teenager. I just knew I was larger that most of my peers and didn’t feel empowered or motivated enough to change it.

    It’s funny but since loosing kilos last year I went out and purchased a set of scales. I promised myself i’d check my weight weekly…to monitor it between my gym weigh ins but to be honest its become a bit of a temptation and I find i’m hopping on them most mornings…Just to check i’m still on the right track.

    The weird thing is even though I haven’t dropped a huge amount weight wise…I have in terms of cms, my fitness level has rapidly increased, an injury has strengthened and my cholesterol and bloodsugar levels are in the healthy range (they always were) so while i’m still motivated to shed the excess kilos and get within the healthy weight range I think I still have a pretty positive body image.

    Thin doesn’t always mean healthy and overweight doesn’t always mean unhealthy.

    http://jadedgymjunkie.blogspot.com

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  17. EmilyR

    I disagree with weighing children. I had a bit of puppy fat when I was about 9 or 10 and I vividly remember doing an activity at school (I think it was for maths) where we measured everyone’s height and weight. I was the heaviest girl in the class and it really bothered me. The next year we did the same activity and I weighed 2kg less (dropped the puppy fat). I was really happy. My aunties told me how skinny I looked. These memories are still with me 18 years later.

    Children don’t know that they’re fat until somone tells them so. That’s when the trouble starts. Teenagers know if they are overweight and don’t need to be told. I gained almost 20kg between the ages of 16 and 20 – and I knew it. But my friends or family never criticised me for it and that meant a lot. I’ve now lost those 20kg but only because I was ready, not because of anything anyone else said to me. It makes me really sad to see my 20 year old sister going down the same path that I did (gaining weight after finishing high school) but I won’t say anything to her and I discourage my parents from saying anything because I know I would have been mortified if they’d done it to me. I’m confident that she will gain control of her weight when she feels ready (probably when she finishes uni and stops working stupid hours as a checkout chick.)

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that yes Mia, it is a very, very fine line between fear of obesity and eating disorders. I would never raise the issue of weight directly with someone (particularly a child)because you could be opening Pandora’s Box. Better to create an environment that makes healthy choices easier and preferrable. A healthy weight will be the natural result.

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    • Spilt Milk

      “Better to create an environment that makes healthy choices easier and preferrable. A healthy weight will be the natural result.”

      This is absolutely true, especially of children, EXCEPT that what is a healthy weight for one person will not be the same as for another person.

      Also, it is very normal for children, especially girls, to gain weight before puberty and become ‘chubby’, even though they may have been slim before. It does a great deal of harm when parents make a big deal of this instead of accepting that it’s a normal part of their growth and development.

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  18. LauraS

    I weigh myself weekly. For me, I find that if I don’t keep a close eye on it I put on weight very quickly. I put on 8kg 2 years ago after not paying attention for a few months. I knew I’d gained a little, but I thought it would be more like 2-3kg. I’ve only just got back to where I was.

    I don’t have children, but I think the healthy eating and exercise approach is better than focusing on the scales. My mum had a terrible relationship with food/weight/her body, and I learned from her that fat = worthless. I want desperately to make sure my future children don’t learn that lesson from me.

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  19. Jess B

    I like this post, particually because i am overweight, i could lose about 10kgs or more. I am short and became overweight when i didnt grow height wise anymore. The problem is, i love my food, i have tried going to the gym, walking everyday, but cant seem to shake the weight. My fiance loves my curves, and i must say that im rather comfortable with them. I cant say that i dont have fat days, i do, and i hate it, but i think i dont want to fix it because i know that i can fix it down the track by exercising and eating healthy. At the moment i am a stable weight, i havent gone up or down in years!

    I’m now wondering is this kind of thinkning ok? or am i just avoiding my weight problem? Does anyone feel the same way? Be Kind!

    Also, dont own a set of scales, but would like too so i can keep track of my weight. And i think it cant hurt to check your weight from time to time. I think the most important thing though is feeling comfortable in your own skin, and being healthy and happy!

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    • Ella

      If you’re that worried, go to your GP ever few weeks and get them to chart your weight. Simple. There’s no need for anyone to have scales in their house.

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      • Jess B

        Thanks Ella! I might just do that! Seems as if a lot of people are the same way inclined!

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    • Spilt Milk

      You might find Linda Bacon’s book ‘Health At Every Size’ really helpful. She’s a nutritionist and exercise physiologist who has done a lot of research into weight. Basically, if you are active and eat a range of foods, your body will settle into its preferred weight range, which may be fat. This is normal and healthy. By all means get your health checked by a GP (which would include blood tests and blood pressure measurements etc.) but there is no reason to think you are unhealthy just because you are curvy.

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  20. WS

    Speaking for myself, I’m a weigher. I know the idea of the perfect number seems ridiculous (and also always ‘just’ out of reach – by about 2/3kg!), but for me it’s my guage of how i’m going. Clothes are a great indicator, but sometimes those jeans allow you to gain 3kg without noticing and then wham, you’ve got 3kg to lose (oh why so much harder to lose, than put on??!).
    Scales are my security and I use them for my own piece of mind. My gym recently challenged me not to get on the scales for 4 weeks. I did it, but it almost killed me, and at the end of the 4 weeks, my scales came back out of the cupboard. [Result of the challenge was I weighed exactly the same after 4 weeks].
    As for kids; I have 6 yo daughter and 3yo son. They jump on the scales a few times per year, and I don’t think I’d ever resort to a weekly weigh in for my kids….

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  21. Julie

    There is far too much emphasis on the supposed notion that being a particular weight means you are healthy. The fact is, only in very extreme cases can you tell if someone is healthy in body by simply looking at them, and you can NEVER tell if someone is healthy of mind based soley on their appearance.

    We need to throw away our scales and instead focus on mindful eating, fun movement and aiming for balance in all we do.

    Healthy, beautiful people come in all shapes and sizes but I highly doubt this is a positive sentiment that Val is teaching her children by engaging in these stupid ‘Biggest Loser’ style weigh ins.

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  22. Edlie

    Just a follow up as well.
    My understanding is that anorexia/bulimia are mental illnesses. And from personal experience i know how life threatening mental illness is – it can be a daily, hourly, minute-ly battle, to force yourself to stay alive, to ‘out-trick’ your brain and your thinking.

    Given the choice between good mental health or good physical health, id much rather be a size 12, 14, even 16 if it meant id never have to suffer another day of mental torture.

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    • Carmel_m

      Funny you should say that, Edlie. I saw an online poll from the US just last week that asked whether people would be OK with being fat if it meant they were happy (this was related to weight gain through antidepressant medication).

      Nearly 13,000 responses – 75% said NO. I realise this wasn’t a highly scientific study, but sad nonetheless.

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  23. YoungVintage

    As someone who’s struggled with an eating disorder, I don’t own scales and I never weigh myself.

    I won’t ever own scales – especially if I one day ever have kids.

    Me and my boy are both healthy and eat well.. And if we ever have kids, they’ll know about good nutrition and the importance of exercise. The numbers that scales give are, to me, unnecessary…

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  24. Anon.

    I’m sixteen, and once complained to a male friend that I was fat, when I was having one of my ‘fat days’. His quite honest response was ‘you’re not skinny, it’s not your body type. But you’re not fat, you’re just bigger than normal’. Which, at first, shocked and upsetted me, because I was looking for the ‘no, you’re as skinny as a supermodel’ response. But, after some thought, I loved it. I loved it because I believed it. I am obviously NOT skinny, for him to say so would have been a lie, and make the comment redundant. By telling the truth, he made me feel better, and believe him at the same time.

    I do believe that weight can be a problem, but I think we need to tread carefully. I’ve got a friend who goes through stages of not eating for anywhere between 8 and 14 days, I kid you not. That’s serious, and unhealthy. And I do believe something that helped that behaviour to form was the way that her family treated her in regard to her weight.

    This is an extreme case, and shouldn’t put people off having honest discussions. But I recommend all parents out there take it easy, and look for the reactions of their children. I believe it’s better to have an overweight, happy family member than a depressed skinny one.

    EDIT; I was just thinking, and had to add this. I am sixteen years old, a size sixteen, with stretch marks. From this, I know that parents don’t need to talk to their children about weight, we know our size. We’re not stupid, and you can trust that even the most self-assured of us are going to be tougher on ourselves than you. Luckily enough, my parents are both supportive, and my mother and I especially have very honest conversations about weight.

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    • Fat Heffalump

      Good on you hon! You hit the nail on the head! Teenagers get enough messages that their bodies don’t fit some kind of arbitrary norm, without weigh ins every week. But make that a kid who is bigger than others, and it’s like people think “Fat = stupid.”

      It sounds like your Mum is encouraging you to grow into a healthy, happy woman.

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  25. Alex

    Just want to say that I am loving your work in this post Bri King, knockin’ down these wrong assumptions with every comment :) I am a nurse and I see many of my colleagues display really judgemental attitudes both behind their patients back and to their faces. Um, if making people feel like sh*t about their weight made them skinny we would be a teeny tiny nation. I really do feel horrible for patients whose doctors don’t even listen to their complaints, but just blame everything on their weight.
    Oh, you have a headache? Lose weight! Itchy eye? Drop the kgs. Extreme but not nearly as much as you’d think…

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    • Bri King

      Thanks so much Alex! I really appreciate the support. I am so glad there are some fat accepting health professionals out there because health professionals are well known for their negative bias towards fat patients. I often say that self loathing causes people way more damage than being fat ever will.

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  26. Jane Shaw

    We have bathroom scales, but as far as I know the kids have only ever used them as a joke (“look mum, when we all get on and hold the dogs and a glass of water and an iron we weigh more than 80 kilos” *rambunctious laughter followed by crash/yelp/splash*).

    We try to talk more about health than weight – health v unhealthy food and activities. If someone has been doing a bit too much of the unhealthy and not enough of the healthy we talk about it in those terms and make changes along those lines.

    As far as my own weight goes, I’ve noticed that I only tend to weigh myself regularly when I’m feeling a bit down, so it’s more of a signpost on my mental state than my physical state. I also tend to have dual thoughts about food and weight loss – “I shouldn’t value myself according to looks/size” (hooray I can have an éclair!) vs “If Demi Moore can do it then FFS, surely I can too” (salad for lunch today).

    Sometimes I wish I could wave a wand over the whole thing and make it all just disappear.

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  27. Meg

    I’m 21 years old, just moved out of home, and have recently gained about 7 kilos. I’ve never really gained weight before (as in, I’ve grown, but never gained weight), and my boyfriend is a massive gym junkie – and luckily for me he is perfectly honest about my weight and it doesn’t offend me. I will admit that I do feel a little sad when my jeans only *just* do up (but I’m more frustrated that I’m too broke to buy new ones at the moment!) but I can also tell that my hips have gotten bigger, along with my boobs, and even tho that means I’ve got a little bit of a belly now its not the end of the world. But weighing myself.. I don’t own a set of scales and when I discovered I’d gained the weight it was the first time I’d weighed myself in at least 6 months! I’ve always been the ‘skinny’ girl and the fact that I’ve started going to the gym has prompted some interesting responses from my friends – some trying to tell me the best ways to lose weight, others telling me I’m stupid and I don’t need to worry. I’m NOT worried about losing weight, I haven’t joined the gym to do that – but I have realised that I need to start excercise and the comment I’ve gotten for years “age will kick in and you wont be able to eat pasta 3 meals a day” has just made me realise that I can’t do that and I need to do some excercise and probably not eat so much macdonalds and other unhealthy things is true. Maybe I am just lucky that skinny girls, fat girls, whatever they want to put on TV isn’t going to make me freak out about my weight – but I want to ensure that I’m healthy.

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  28. Ella

    Excuse me while I just go and jump off a cliff….

    Far out. If anything that’s potentially the MOST stupid idea ever.

    It’s not weight we should be worrying ourselves with. It’s health. For heaven’s sake – go and get a blood test and compare your cholesterol levels around the table…but let’s not engage in family weigh days.

    I’m a recovering anorexic/bulimic. Maybe that just makes me particularly sensitive to this topic. I don’t know.

    But I do know that at school when I was 14 (I’ve had my illness since I was 12), having my weight called across the gym during PE and written up on a whiteboard with all the other weights triggered a relapse which saw me passing out in PE twice a week, and my weight to plumet far below healthy. Competition at home saw me “winning” – but the cost of that “winning” is still being paid.

    I’m advocate of health, measured medically; through blood pressure, heart rate, blood test results (cholesterol, triglycerides, hormones, potassium, sodium, etc.) and through fitness. Not through weight.

    (Can you tell I’m nearly a nurse?).

    I see no reason to incite obsession, terror and competition in one’s children. I do see reason to promote good eating behavior and fitness behaviors in children.

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    • Jen

      I agree

      Its not weight – its health.
      Skinny people can be unhealthy and be at risk of serious health problems

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      • Ella

        Yeah exactly Jen. Some of the skinniest people I know are the most unhealthy and unfit people I’ve ever met!

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    • Ella

      I should also add. I don’t own scales – although I frequently wish I did.

      The other night I chucked a massive temper tantrum because my ‘fat’ jeans actually fit me and my ‘thin’ jeans – which this time last year I could slide off me without me unbuttoning them and needed a belt to stay up (and even then slid down) didn’t fit. At all.

      But it’s HEALTH I want. And health is not synonymous with killing myself in a hospital bed.

      HEALTH! Families, take note. H-E-A-L-T-H.

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    • Nada

      Thanks Ella. I’ve been trying to compose an adequate response to this post (and failing) but yours does my feelings justice. As a bulimic whose parents and extended family were totally obsessed with weight, and where only thin people were worth ANYTHING, I can only feel like shaking parents like ‘Val’ – and I can only wonder at how good her children will feel about themselves in ten years’ time.

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    • SarahLouise

      Ella, I read your post with interest and really feel for you. Congratulations on your progress, I’m so glad you’re training as a nurse :) It’s wonderful to still have you with us!! Good luck with the rest of your ongoing battles xx

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      • Ella

        Thank you SarahLouise! That means a lot :)

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  29. Bri King

    I think that a Health At Every Size (HAES) approach should be encouraged for everyone. HAES is about learning to trust your body to tell you when it is truly hungry and what it is hungry for, as well as finding a physical activity/ies that you enjoy and WANT to participate in rather than exercise being a punitive measure that you hate. The number on the scale really doesnt tell you anything about your health and neither does the BMI. Fat may be a risk factor for many health conditions but fat itself does not CAUSE these condition. Check out books like Bacon’s Health At Every Size; Kolata’s Rethinking Thin and Campos’ The Obesity Myth, you might find your current thinking (and assumptions) challenged somewhat.

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    • Phillippa

      I am so pleased (and relieved!) that you have joined this discussion Bri! I’m a big fan of your blog! Other interesting books for those interested:
      Fat Politics by Eric Oliver and Screw Inner Beauty: Lessons from the Fatosphere by Kate Hardy and Marianne Kirby.

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      • Bri King

        Thanks heaps Phillipa! It’s always encouraging to hear that people read along at Fat Lot of Good!

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  30. Anonymous

    Upfront, I did have an eating disorder. This is a topic close to my heart.

    I feel very strongly that watching your weight with scales often leads to an unhealthy obsession. I can not stress enough how dangerous I think it is to “diet” your children and teach them to watch their weight on scales.

    The alternative in most cases is to simply be smart about eating healthy food most of the time, and keep active and busy. If your kids watch you NOT watching your weight they have a much better chance of seeing food and weight in some sort of healthy perspective.

    I tell my daughter to listen to her tummy. Eat when you’re hungry, stop when you’re not. Simple as that. I’m hoping if she learns to listen to her body now, she has a much better chance of avoiding both obesity or eating disorders later. When she’s sad, I don’t give her a food treat, I give her a hug, talk to her, do something with her.

    I can’t help but think, so what if a child has a holiday and puts on weight. If they are having healthy food once they get back home and back in their routine, it will all work itself out without planting the seeds for an unhealthy attitude to food and your body.

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    • SarahLouise

      Thanks for being brave enough to share Anonymous, I’m glad you pulled through it and made it to today :)

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      • Anonymous

        Thank you SarahLouise.

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    • Ella

      I love that “listen to your tummy” thinking. That’s awesome :) Being in tune with your body is so simple and so important! Well done on recovery!

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      • fatadelic

        That’s an important message for ALL kids, regardless of weight.

        From my own experience, observations and the stories of other people who were fat kids, children who are fat are often counselled by parents and others in authority to ignore their hunger (aka diet). This only sets the child up for a lifetime of trauma around food.

        When denial is seen as “good”, a child will often see themselves as “bad” if they eat normally (which shame is often added to by well-intentioned, but thoughtless adults who chide the child for eating what his/her siblings are eating). Or decide that if a little restriction is “good”, then more is better and self-restrict without their parent’s knowledge.

        Ellyn Satter’s Division of Responsibilities seems to me the best approach to children and food. See => http://www.ellynsatter.com/

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  31. Kato9Tales

    See the Sunday Life pic? That’s me on the right, after I lost all that weight.

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    • Response to Kato9Tales

      Kato9Tales

      what happens after the ‘after’ photo?

      nonsurgical interventions have been shown to carry a 98% failure rate after 2-5 years.

      surgical interventions carry multiple health risks- even years after surgery. (and still, the majority of longitudinal 10 yr studies show weight gain back to higher than starting weight)

      it seems permanent weight loss may just be a paradox.

      the good news is that you can be healthy – by engaging in a healthy lifestyle (exercising, eating well) – independent of weight.

      as jon robinson writes, there are only ever 3 things we can predict about your weight. it will either go up, go down, or stay the same.

      being thin and being healthy are not always the same thing.

      I commend your efforts though.

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      • Amy

        Good on you Kat o 9 tales. While it may be true that people often regain weight, it seems a little harsh to point it out like this.

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      • Melanie

        Why, Amy? It’s the simple truth. Weight loss is not permanent for the vast majority of people.

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    • Spilt Milk

      I agree, it’s not harsh to state these facts.

      It’s very important to acknowledge this. A lot of people who lose a lot of weight (I have done this in the past too) get positive feedback for it. When they put it all back on and more, they might feel that people will be disappointed in them, or love them less. They might find that people told them when they were thinner that they were ‘now attractive’, so when they regain they might feel very judged.

      It’s important to remember that weight regain is not a failure of will, it’s normal human biology.

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  32. JennyWren

    I like the idea of the way Val normalises the family’s way of dealing with health and weight, by not making it a big deal, this approach makes sense to me. The scales are merely a tool for this family, rather than a positive/negative mood changer.

    I also have boys, but having said that why should we treat boys and girls differently? If exercise and healthy eating are treated as ‘the family’s way’ it should instill positive messages.

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    • Jane

      Good point, Jenny. Hadn’t thought of it that way!

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  33. Redhossy

    I’m a weigher.
    I bought new scales just before Easter. I didn’t take them out of the box until after Easter and after my luxurious birthday weekend away of eating and drinking. Also in there were a few kids’ parties with homemade sausage rolls, a wine and cheese night and a degustation.
    And wouldn’t you know it! I unpacked them on the weekend and I’m 2.5 kilos heavier than on my old scales.
    They’re obviously faulty. I want my money back…

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    • Kato9Tales

      Redhossy rides again. Welcome back, Red ! :-D

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    • WS

      LOL send them back!

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  34. Beatrice

    Generally speaking I am not a weigher and there are no scales in my house but I had a baby 5 months ago and I’m still looking a bit too preggers! Considering some scales so that I can face the cold hard truth…
    In our house we all love food except for the various vegetables my children keep telling me they hate. (No matter how often I keep serving them they still hate them! ) I have 3 daughters and I do not want them to have hang ups about their bodies so I just try to be health conscious about what we eat and keep up regularl outdoor activities. We have movie night on Friday nights and that’s when we have a fix of chocolate and chips.
    Every once in while we have fish and chips or pizza.
    Saying all this though I have to confess I am an emotional eater and there are times when I feel in crisis and choose to self medicate with twisties and chocolate. Works a treat!

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  35. Olivia

    Well, I weigh myself with scales but depending on where I place them in the bathroom (weighing myself after going to the toilet, naked first thing on a Monday morning) I can be anything ranging between 62.9 to 64.7 so I think they might need new batteries.

    As for going by how my clothes fit… would that be the size 8 clothes I still have from when I was 22, the size 14 clothes I bought when I was pregnant, the size 12 clothes I have and love because they are all loose and thus make a weekend of indulgence seem non-existent or the size 10 clothes I squeeze myself into and hope one day fit “well”?

    hmmmmm,
    I don’t remember growing up with scales in the house, mum never talked about her weight (she didn’t need to, she’s a hot mumma even after 4 kids – PILATES!!), never talked about diets but when we raised it as teenagers she’d say “okay, I’ll get you up for a walk in the morning but don’t tell me off” or “well it’s not the food I give you” (and it wasn’t, it was the chips and gravy I’d buy in free periods or the Crunchie bars to get me through the maths double period).

    Anyway, I wouldn’t weigh my kids, and probably won’t leave scales in the bathroom either. When they go for check ups I’ll let them be weighed if need be. I guess you can’t really say what you will do though as if your child is getting bigger and bigger you’d have to deal with it somehow… on the other hand if they’re getting smaller and smaller… What would be harder to deal with – a child becoming obese, or a child not eating at all – Hmmm, why does this website always make me aware of something else I may have to face when my daughter grows up… very worrying… thank god as a one year old she now eats everything put in front of her and that her chubby dimply legs and tummy are seen as cute… if only mine were…

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  36. pt

    only kitchen scales in our house, not interested in having them. Every now and then I’ll get on a set if I spy them in a mate or relo’s bathroom but other than that I really see no need for them and use clothes. That being said Mr PT Ms 11 and I are all naturally thin… we have a wii fit balance board and it tells you anyway but we tend to skip through that part as fast as possible and get to hula hooping!

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  37. emmywhy

    I keep a food, exercise and health diary, in which I count calories going in and out. I weigh myself every two weeks. This is a bit of a habit of mine, that started when I was training as a serious athlete. I find it a really helpful indicator of where I’m at … all the research shows that we underestimate what we actually ate the other day when we ‘hardly ate anything at all’. If we actually WRITE it down, we cannot lie (or forget). But I can see how for someone else, what I do might be destructive.

    One of my absolute pet hates is seeing children, whose parents are often very overweight, eating crap food. I really would love to stand at the supermarket and pull the food out of people’s trollies, if only so they’d understand a little more about nutrition and the way that food affects your body. I really hope that when I have children, I can instil in them a knowledge and understanding of how our body uses fuel to run efficiently, and a love of being active and healthy.

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    • Bri King

      How do you know that is not the one time they are eating out for the month? How can you pass judgement on people without knowing anything about their personal situation? You are making a lot of assumptions, the primary one being that fat people eat junk all the time. It is not as simple as calories in and out, anyone who has done any research in the area of weight can tell you that.

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      • emmywhy

        You’re right, I don’t know that overweight or obese people with bags of soft drink and chips and white bread and sugar-dense breakfast food in their trolley buy that stuff every week. My frustration is that a lot of people don’t know that that’s not the best food for you to eat. Sure, calorie-dense or sugary foods are not the only ones that will lead to weight gain. Any food can do that, if you eat enough of it. And a lot of people don’t know what portion sizes are. I see all of the above as serious flaws in our schooling and public health education systems.

        On your last point, I disagree. Biologically, it is as simple as calories in and calories out. Yes, there are a raft of medical and mental health (and medication-related) issues that can lead to uncontrolled weight gain. But, in a lot of cases, eating less and exercising more is the way to ensure weight homeostasis.

        And just a gentle point. Please don’t accuse me of judging ‘fat people’. I didn’t use the term. I used the correct, non-judgemental term of ‘overweight’.

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      • Phillippa

        I would be very suprised if most overweight people don’t know about portion sizes and nutrition as you imply emmywhy, given that we are bombarded everyday with weightloss, anti-obesity and nutrition/diet messages from the popular press and public health experts. Not to mention the research into the stigmatisation of overweight and obesity that demonstrates that people often don’t think twice about commenting on larger people’s appearance and eating habits to their face. While you may not be making the assumption that overweight people eat and buy junk food all the time (although arguably this is implicit in your first post), it does appear that you are making the assumption that overweight people don’t know what is best for them nutrion wise and this could be why they are the size that they are (despite a wealth of research showing that a person’s weight is the result of a complex interaction between genetic, biological, behavioural, social and psychological factors). In my opinion, I would equate this with judging fat people.

        Also the term ‘fat’ isn’t always seen as a derogatory term. In fact many people involved in the fat accceptance and health at every size movements advocate for using the term fat and reclaiming it as positive term.

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      • Bri King

        emmywhy I think most people DO know what food is ‘good’ for you and what isn’t so great, I think you don’t give enough credit. There are a host of reasons why people may choose not to buy the sorts of foods that are generally considered to be ‘healthy’. As for the calories in and calories out thing, ‘a lot of cases’ really doesn’t mean much. There are hosts of studies that show it is often impossible for people on psych meds to maintain their weight. Unless you have been there (in the shoes of each and every one of those people) you cannot sit there and say that eating less and exercising more will help them to maintain their weight because you simply do not know what it is like for each and every person. You only know what it is like for YOU.

        And re the ‘fat’ thing, have you heard of the Fat Acceptance movement? We use the word fat with no shame so please don’t tell me, a fat woman, what word I can use to describe myself. Cheers.

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      • PanPan

        emmywhy, I am someone who doesn’t put on weight. It doesn’t matter what I eat or how much i exercise, my weight does not change. I have been this size since my last growth spurt and leaving school about 10 years ago.

        It is not always as simple as calories coming in and out.

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    • EmilyR

      Not trying to add fuel to the fire here, but I work in a healthcare organisation and last year we reviewed all our consumer info and removed all the mentions of “overweight”or “obese” as this was considered negative/offensive. We changed it to something wanky like “above a healthy weight” and “far above a healthy weight”. It’s interesting what some people consider offensive these days (overweight and obese are clinical descriptions but in the lay community, they are loaded terms).

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    • Lulu

      emmywhy, in relation to the question of ‘Why oh Why don’t people buy fresh healthy food”, one of the answers is that it can be expensive & is becoming more so.

      http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/wellbeing/healthy-food-not-so-great-for-the-wallet-study-finds-20100412-s43r.html

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      • emmywhy

        Yes, that’s a good point, Lulu. I know that I am fortunate to have both the knowledge of what is good food and what is bad food, as well as the resources to buy food that is good for me. And to live somewhere that has shops that stock the kind of good food that I want to buy.

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    • Char

      I liked your comment Bri King, “There are hosts of studies that show it is often impossible for people on psych meds to maintain their weight”.

      I had my thyroid removed 3 years ago and maintaining a healthy weight is a constact struggle, not to mention the continuos mood swings. I eat very healthily, exercise but it makes no difference unless my little white pills I take daily are the correct dose.

      Judging people on looks alone is just plain ignorant.

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      • emmywhy

        Char (and others), I understand that psych meds and a whole bunch of other medications and conditions can impact on weight. I was in a similar situation some years back when I was on the wrong pill dosage – no matter how much exercise I did or how healthily I ate, nothing changed. And I do know how frustrating that was, and how awful it is to walk into a clothes shop and have people give you the once over. I do.

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    • emmywhy

      So if, as people have commented, Australians understand portion sizes, are bombarded by healthy eating messages and know what foods are ‘good’ and ‘bad’, why are our rates of overweight and obesity so high?!

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      • Phillippa

        Perhaps because it’s not as simple as exercise and eating that determines your weight, as many other posters and stacks and stacks of studies show. And the fact that being overweight and obese doesn’t necessarily equate to poor nutrition and being unfit.

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  38. Kato9Tales

    Forget the weigh-ins. Be happy in your own skin, even if it HAS stretched a bit. KFC and Maccas need our business,or there’ll be Red Rooster stores everywhere. Their chicken tastes like shit.

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    • Jane

      Haha I can’t say I TOTALLY agree with your viewpoint but you did make me laugh. And I do agree that KFC shits all over Red Rooster.

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      • Kato9Tales

        Ok. Race you to the nearest KFC !

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      • Jane

        You’re on! Last one there can shout us all popcorn chicken!

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  39. rainbow

    i think weekly weighing is a good idea for adults. i try to do it as it gives me a good idea of how i am going. i think weighing more often is not a good idea, a good weight makes you feel better, a bad weight makes you unhappy. and both are pretty meaningless.

    when my children get to an age where this is more relevant, i think i would do as the author suggested, like cut down on treats, eat more fruit and vege if i thought my kids were becoming unhealthy. i don’t know what my mum did, i know she never discussed her weight. i wouldn’t discuss it with them though, just make subtle changes. i knew someone whose mother bought her clothes a size smaller than she was so she had motivation to lose weight, she was 12 years old.

    i personally find people who talk at length about their diets so boring. it is not interesting!!! i don’t talk about my weight, or my diet or my exercise regime, i think it is private and boring to others.
    it is however a big part of my life at the moment. i am trying to lose weight, but you won’t find me talking about it! i have said before about my MIL who talks about it a lot, and has a tablespoon of dinner when she comes over, and that annoys me because i have two little girls and i don’t want them picking it up.

    one of my granny’s did that when i was young, she was always on a diet, always talking about her weight, would have a piece of cake and say “i really shouldn’t…” the funny thing is to me she always seemed the same size, no matter what diet she was on, that was in the days of pritikin ( not that i actually know what it is i just know the name).

    and re self esteem, it is really tied to my weight. which at the moment is a real shame. but as i have also said before i actually wasn’t happy with myself when i was skinny, so i am trying to work on that and not focussing on my weight.

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  40. Jane

    It’s all about balance and setting a good example. I don’t have kids so I can’t speak from experience in that regard, but I was raise in a very healthy, balanced home.

    Weight was never really mentioned when I was growing up. We were encouraged to play sport, ride our bikes etc, but Mum didn’t have a problem with us watching TV either. We got Maccas once a week but were cooked healthy meals for the remainder of the time.

    As a result, I’m now really healthy but don’t stress if I eat a bit of junk once in a while. A Quarter Pounder meal once a month or a Tim Tam after lunch won’t kill me.

    I judge how I feel based on my mood, my energy levels and how well my jeans fit rather than by the number on the scales.

    As boring and cliche as it sounds, its all about doing everything in moderation! (Except on Easter long weekends. Don’t even get me started about how many eggs and bunnies I powered through during those 4 days…)

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  41. anon

    Recently my 5yr old affectionately patted then kissed my belly and said – “you’re going to have a baby, I will love the baby and I will put her in my pram”.
    I am now weighing myself every morning upon rising and exercising each day at the gym, watching the numbers go steadily down is a fabulous incentive and reward so I love my scales. I know lots of people hate them but I just see them as a truth telling device which I appreciate when I am working at creating a skinnier body.

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  42. Ruby

    I have never owned scales or been a weigher, I’d just go by my clothes. I’m 38 with 2 kids and just last week I bought a my first set of scales. I’m starting to find my clothes tighter than usual, and honestly, I can’t afford to be buying new clothes to fit my expanding waistline, so for the first time in my life, I’m going to be more aware of my weight. Having said that, I am typing this whilst eating an ice-cream! Yum-o!

    Having just re-read my piece, no need for the scales really, just a standard pair of jeans to ‘standardise’ the waistline.

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  43. Cindy

    When I had an eating disorder, I weighed myself about 15 times a day… after a meal, before exercise, after exercise. It was this obsession that ruled my life, because if the scales told me a number that I believed was not acceptable – then the self hate started, followed by binging, purging and then half an hour jump roping it outside. If the weight had not gone back down after that, then I skipped the next meal.

    These days I’m way more relaxed – obviosuly, but still very conscious of my weight RANGE. I do weigh myself every few days just to make sure I haven’t gone outside a range of numbers that i now KNOW are healthy.

    Like over Easter, I ate more chocolate and carbs and meat then usual. So last Monday I weighed myself to check that I wasn’t over the range.

    After a holiday in Bali I got a bit sick, and becuase we were busy, I didn’t eat as much. I came home and weighed myslef to check that I wasn’t under the range.

    I know from experience how regular weigh-ins can be dangerous mentally, but I also think that it’s important physically to maintain a healthy weight range – and if you don’t check how do you know exactly?

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  44. Lawless

    I’d just say that once a week is a bit too often, because of the non-fat-related fluctuations your body goes through. Once a fortnight or once a month would be more accurate. I do it the week after the period, seems to be the low point for me.
    And there are other ways of measuring fat levels, like callipers, or a measuring tape.
    Anyway, as others have said there are less formal ways to gauge body shape and fitness, the way your clothes fit, how far you can run before getting puffed or a stitch.
    But I like the philosophy of just needing to eat less junk and more getting out and having fun.

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  45. Jo

    Scales are great if you’re on the Biggest Loser but as everyone has said, it tells you nothing about your health.

    Having had a pretty inactive lifestyle for most of my 28 years, I started cycling to work and doing yoga at the beginning of this year.
    I weigh myself about 2 times a week and after losing a kilo or two in the first couple of weeks, my weight’s been pretty steady despite the fact that my clothes are looser and I have more energy than before.

    If only people would start focusing on BEING healthy rather than APPEARING healthy (oftentimes confused with “skinny”) as the optimum goal.

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    • jojo

      I LOVE the way you phrased that – “being healthy rather than appearing healthy”

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    • ellipsis (...)

      I know plenty of people who are ‘skinny fat’… never exercise, eat lots of junk, but by the luck of genetics are really skinny. I wonder how their cholesterol, heart rate etc are when I see them downing buckets of KFC.

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  46. L

    I always used to say ‘it’s just how my clothes look’, i don’t own a set of scales and had no idea what i weighed – but i knew over the last year or so i had put on a few kilos and wasn’t happy. I recently went to a friend’s place and decided to step on the scales in her bathroom out of curiosity, and i was shocked at what i actually weighed! It gave me a push and a focus, and the past couple of weeks i seem to have more discipline to eat healthily and exercise, whereas i was very wishy-washy before. I found my BMI and turns out i’m just i the overweight bracket by a few kilos – another thing to give me a push. IN REGARDS TO CHILDREN, i actually think weighing might be better for their mental health than deciding whthere they need to lose weight based on their physical appearance. If you make them understand that to be healthy they just need to be roughly a certain number rather than telling them they look plump makes it less tied to their emotions.

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    • Ruby

      I like your point on weighing children so the focus is on the healthy, medically endorsed number rather than focusing on emotions. Good one L.

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  47. Edlie

    I’m in my healthy BMI range at the moment but am currently working on losing about 5kg so all of my clothes fit nicely and comfortably. To lose 10kg puts me at my ‘golden weight’ – the one where I look great, and undisputably slim, and sexy etc.
    When I have kids i hope to just be healthy and happy and pass that on to my kids, esp daughter/s if i have them. The pressure on females gets bigger every year, and starts earlier and earlier.
    My own mum wasnt great at this so for a lot of years I had issues, seesawing between scary skinny and a little plump. One memorable comment is when she offered me a pair of her pants saying “Here these’ll fit you, Im far too skinny to wear them now they fall off me!”. Words stick in the memory when it comes to Mums.
    I read that Mums know how to push your buttons because they made them. So true.
    My mum has a love/hate relationship with her body, seesaws between slim, overweight, and scary skinny, and comfort eats. I am the same. You pass it on, definitely.
    The summary of all of this is – when it comes to girls, tread carefully, and, like most things, when in doubt err on the side of caution!!

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    • Ms. Butlertron

      Your mum reminded me of one of my elder sisters, who has always been very petite and shorter than me since I was fourteen. After the birth of her second child, she gave me all her maternity clothes, reasoning that because I have reasonably broad shoulders and larger breasts maternity wear would fit me like a glove. Argh…

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  48. miss carly

    i weigh in most days. and post them up on my blog http://worththeweight.tumblr.com

    i dont have children so i cant really comment any further.

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  49. Kylie2

    I think it’s a mistake to base your decision on whether you need to eat well and exercise on what the scales are saying. Even if you are a naturally thin family you can still benefit from good food choices and regular activity.

    My husband and children are very slim, healthy and fit. They seem to be able to consume vast amounts of food without gaining a gram. That doesn’t mean that it’s OK for them to eat junk food all the time.

    My kids regularly stay with my in-laws for a few days during the school holidays. My MIL loves to treat them with pizza, KFC, chocolates etc. They also let the kids watch a lot of TV and take them to the movies to keep them entertained. There may be no difference on the scales when they get home but there is a huge difference in their mood and general well-being.
    I can really notice the change when they have been home for a few days, eating well and being more active. I suppose if they always lived like they do on holidays I wouldn’t realize how negatively bad food impacts them.
    We don’t have scales at home. I have no idea what my children weigh. I do know they need constant encouragement to eat well. It’s expensive and time consuming to be constantly shopping for and preparing fresh, healthy food. I really hope it gives them good habits that they will maintain throughout their lives, not just when they want to lose weight.

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    • Stella

      I couldn’t agree with you more Kylie2, in every point you make.

      I have a friend who was losing weight a year ago and she watched what she ate very carefully. Yet, she still allowed her kids to consume what I would consider to be a large amount of junk daily. She used to say it didn’t matter because they were overweight. I just don’t get that!! What about their blood sugar levels, the teeth, their behviour and ability to concentrate at school?

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  50. Candi

    I don’t think weight is the best way to guage ones overall health.

    1.) Looking at how your clothes fit.

    2.)Measurements on a tape measure.

    3.)Blood and other medical tests.

    4.) How you feel about yourself (physically [e.g. are you puffing and panting from a 2 minute walk?] & mentally [e.g. do you like yourself?]).

    Those 4 things are what will tell you if you’re healthy.

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