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By MIA FREEDMAN

So there we were, sitting in front of the TV yesterday watching the Oscars red carpet and composing social media updates about the actresses and their frocks.

Apparently there were men on the red carpet too but nobody notices them. A suit is a suit is a suit. Pretty much. Armani? Whatever.

There were some dresses we liked (Naomi Watts) and some we didn’t (Anne Hathaway and everyone wearing white strapless which was almost everyone). But when we were composing our tweets and facebook updates, we didn’t want to be bitchy so we chose our words very, very carefully.

We were ducking imaginary punches from accusations of “anti-women!” if we dared to say anything negative about any of the dresses.

I’m always torn about this.

There are those who insist any discussion of red carpet fashion is sexist and demeaning. They claim it’s shallow and trivialises the work these women do as actresses and (less often) as directors.

Well, sure it does. It is a bit weird when Dame Helen Mirren or Dame Judi Dench or Merryl Streep or Tina Fey is asked ‘who are you wearing?’ instead of about their work.

I can think of few things more intimidating than having to walk a red carpet and have your frock judged by the world when you signed up to be an actor not a model. No question, the stakes and the pressure and the scrutiny has become ridiculous.

As a recent article in the Guardian pointed out:

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Tiny Fey & Amy Poehler

Such is the emphasis placed on the dresses female celebrities wear to these things that they are now deemed to “make” or “break” a career. One poorly chosen bright pink sheath dress and there goes your cover interview with Vogue and, with it, your movie deal. One chic little vintage Jean Dessès dress and, no matter how many bad Bridget Jones sequels you make, your place in fashion’s hall of fame is for ever secure.

Because there is now such a fuss about who wears what, this then means that the women – understandably, really – wear extremely safe and boring things, thus undoing the primary feminist joys of fashion, the previously mentioned individuality and self-expression.

Instead, female celebrities are asked to water themselves down even more than they already had to just to become celebrities, rendering themselves into Identikit fembots, all looking as thin, bland and indistinguishable as possible.

Frankly, I think those adjectives describe this year’s Oscar’s looks pretty accurately.

Which brings me to this.

What if you don’t like a dress? If you don’t think it’s flattering or does the actress any favours? If you think they could do better or have more fun or show less flesh or more? And if you say that or write it? Well how very dare you, some will say. You and your JUDGEMENT. Stop being a BIATCH.

And  yet.

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Joan Rivers on Fashion Police

I don’t want to be a bitch and I’m not one. Even though I watch Fashion Police on E!, I find Joan Rivers a punish. Occasionally she has a funny line but most of the time she’s just graceless and senselessly horrible. Calling someone a ‘stupid c–t’ is not clever or funny. It’s just lazy and foul.

Having said that, I don’t think it’s necessary or justified to gag all commentary about red carpet fashion or that saying a frock is unflattering or ill-fitting or just…dull makes you ‘anti-women’.

Because look, for more than a decade now, the red carpet has been as much of an industry as the movies themselves. There was US$100m on the Oscars red carpet yesterday – from the frocks to the stylists to the jewels, the publicists, the designers, the media.

I think it’s very different to critiquing someone who dressed themselves. But that’s not what this is. Every actress employs a cavalcade of professionals who themselves are inundated with the best possible selection of frocks, jewels, shoes and hair and beauty gurus to choose from. Studios pick up the bills. The dresses and accessories are loaned for free. There’s even free Spanx.

There is not a single person on a major red carpet who is wearing her own clothes. So we’re not discussing the PEOPLE wearing the clothes. We’re just discussing the clothes.

Can the two be separated? I think they can. I have no problem with admitting I’ve worn some ridiculous things in my time. I’m probably wearing something right now that I will look back on (next week?) while laughing, cringing or vomiting.

I don’t confuse ‘who I am’ with ‘what I wear’. So I don’t see it as feminist sacrilege to say there are some Oscars looks I liked more (Jackie Weaver) and some less (Amanda Seyfried).

Sometimes stylists just get it wrong with the outfits they source for the celebrity and sometimes the celebrity herself gets it wrong – just like the rest of us (if we had stylists and designers falling over themselves to dress us) and I think it’s OK to have an opinion.

The comments on our Oscars red carpet post [read them here] are the perfect example of that.

I’m not suggesting we be nasty, bitchy or focus on the faces or bodies of actresses because those are things they cannot change without radical surgery and we really don’t want to encourage them to have any (more) of that.

But discussing red carpets hits and misses is pretty harmless. So long as everyone keeps their head and doesn’t lose their shit over a frock being life or death.

Anne Hathaway in Prada, Armani and custom Saint Laurent

Do you watch the red carpet arrivals at major events? Do you like commenting on the dresses? Do you watch television shows like Fashion Police?

 

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  1. Anonymous

    I thought Melissa McCarthy’s dress was hideous, she would be my pick for worst dressed by far. Wasn’t a fan of her hair either. But this is the first time I’ve ‘said it’ to anyone because I feel like people will think I’m making the comment because of her weight… And I’m not! I think she looked lovely at last year’s Oscars, MUCH better than this year:
    http://www.popsugar.com/Melissa-McCarthy-Pink-Gown-Oscars-2012-21929664

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  2. Emma

    I’m sorry, these women, and men, have money money money, access to stylists, hairdressers and make-up artists and they STILL can’t get it right. I can’t decide if they’re blind or just plain stupid.

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  3. Danica

    I was disappointed with the Oscars, mostly because of Seth MacFarlene (spelling?). Many of his jokes were very sexist – the boob song (of course), joke about the 9 year old actress being “19 years away from being too old for Clooney,” jokes about actresses getting the flu and losing weight now ‘looking good’….it went on and on and on. Yes, they are jokes. But the joke feels very tired now. I guess i have had too many girl friends who have been sexually assaulted, and had too many sexist comments come my way for it to be funny to me anymore.

    The dress judging stirs it up a bit for me too. I watched an entertainment show that poked fun at Anne Hathway’s dress because it made her boobs look funny. It just seems too ridiculous to care about, yet it is appears to be so important for so many people.

    I agree, Mia – why are we asking Tina Fey or Meryl Streep or Helen Mirren or Judy Dench about their dresses when their careers are so much more interesting? However, I also add to that list ALL the other actresses in attendance at the Oscar’s, even if they are the classic beauties. Wouldn’t it be great to take the focus off looks for once?

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  4. LJ

    Yes, it is possible to discuss fashion without being bitchy. This level of fashion comes akin to the actors performances themselves, so are open to honest critique. I love reading the fashion blog called gofugyourself for entertaining and non-bitchy fashion coverage.

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  5. Guest

    Joan Rivers is an Insult Comic, that’s her gig.

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  6. Bradley

    One thing to remember here, in most cases the gowns have either been especially made for the actress to wear or the gowns are on loan. Therefore the decision to wear or not to wear has been made by the glamorous red carpet walker herself. Always take note of the question “who are you wearing” ? It’s like the big free plug for the designer.

    In other instances, a paid stylist has found a number of gowns that he/she believes will best suit the VIP clotheshorse. The star again makes the final decision what to wear on the big night.

    So as my old pal Joan Rivers would say, if you’re a poor nobody…no one cares about what you wear because you’ve paid for the frock with your own money and you’ve bought what you believe that you look best in. But if you are filthy rich and you have paid someone a fortune to select a dress that you are going to wear free of charge and you look a mess….then it’s you’re own darn fault”.

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    • Sasha (the new one)

      No actress or date at the oscars buys their own dress. Don’t comment if you have no idea. Even the partners of Aussie’s nominated for logies get dresses loaned to them. Every designer wants the opportunity for free publicity.

      They might have a limited selection of dresses, or can’t pick the dress they want as someone is already wearing it, or they might just have a s*** stylist (or s*** taste). Why does that mean they should be attacked over it? Sure, have an opinion, but personal attacks are never necessary.

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  7. Kate

    Forget the fashion, what about that pathetic song about ‘boobs’? Let’s not let these female actors think they’re on-par with their male equivalents – why not remind them that while they were acting (that artistic craft so beloved of the Academy judges), we saw their boosies. Yep, if judging them for their clothes as they parade down a red carpet doesn’t make them feel like cattle at the State Fair, we’ll sing a song that says ‘your acting doesn’t count as much as the blokes’ cos we just want you to show us ya tits.’

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    • Bradley

      The boobie song got my goat up, too. Not because it was a pretty ridiculous song but because of the number of actresses who have felt it necessary to get the girls out in order to pursue their art.

      Like, is it really that hard to say “no” ? What surprised me the most was the number of big names who have exposed themself for the sake of their careers.

      Even Merryl Streep !

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      • Alice

        You never stop revealing your ignorance, do you? They can say no to everything – but in doing so, they exclude themselves from the roles.

        The actresses can’t control whether they’re forced to show their boobs when they’re in a role (there may be extreme exceptions if the actress has a huge influence for some reason, but this is very rare) – all they can do is turn down roles or withdraw from the running. Then some other actress takes the job and shows her boobs, and while the movie and industry doesn’t change, the original actress is down a job.

        Acting jobs are extremely hard to get, as the industry is so competative, that you’re REALLY making it hard for yourself to compete against other applicants if you have a no nudity policy.

        How many actors have to show their penises in films? Compare that to how many actresses are expected to bare their boobs, then tell me it’s the women creating the problem, and not the writers/directors/producers.

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    • Alice

      The song p***ed me off, because it overlooks the fact that the actresses HAVE to show their tits if they want the job, even if they desperately don’t want to show them. Guys don’t (or extreeeeemely rarely) have to show their private sex organs in films, and never on TV – but for chicks it happens in every second film or tv show.

      When I saw the song, I was thinking “way to rub it in actresses faces that the industry and society is sexist and wants to view them as sex objects rather than appreciate their talent in portraying characters and stories”. Nope, we just want to see their tits.

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  8. Lizi

    Once upon a time, almost everyone big in the fashion industry was a man – not sure if this is still the case, but playing the percentages, that means a lot of these dresses (good, bad and ‘arggghhh-what-was-she thinking?’) were created by men.

    So yes, I’ll diss them if they’re wrong wrong wrong for the woman who is wearing them. Her choice, maybe – but his creation, and to me, not a reflection on how gorgeous most of them are when wearing something different.

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  9. Jess

    Last night I was watching the Oscars and was just blown away with all the beautiful gowns, because I realised I was sitting there in my PJ’s that honesty my husband threw away this morning (that is how worn out, washed out and stained those old faithfuls where)
    There are plenty of fashions I don’t like at the moment (but as a op shop kind of a gal, this is no news) but those women last night rocked it, even the lady who won the Oscar for best makeup effects, wearing bright pink hot pants! At first I was like WTF and then I was like “yeah you go girlfriend” Don’t be a slave to fashion, the most interesting people in the world are the ones making trends, not copying them. So I vow never again will I judge someone else’s fashion choice…because I really want to dig my PJ’s out of the bin.

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  10. Chelsea!

    Yes we can judge the dresses, but Fashion Police et al are just plain bitchy.
    I think it all comes down to personal preference.
    I seem to be one of the only people on the planet to absolutely adore Anne Hathaway’s dress.
    But maybe that comes down to a few factors that influence how we perceive the person and thus the dress. Maybe because I’ve been a huge fan since the Princess Diaries? Maybe because I loved Les Mis? Maybe because I love baby pink and backless dresses?? Whatever – it just goes to show that we all have different tastes and opinions and if you don’t like something it doesn’t mean that someone else (especially the actress that chose it) can’t love it.
    (Admins/tech: not sure if it’s just me/my computer, but I’m using safari and for the past couple of days, it’s been really difficult to type comments, just thought I’d let you know in case it’s a wider problem)

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    • intern

      Thanks Chelsea. We’ll bring it up with our tech department.

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  11. Darrell Milton

    As a guy I’m going to “judge” a way an actress dresses differently to how woman will.

    Having said that, I read many negative comments about Jennifer Aniston yesterday. I’m not a big fan of hers, she’s not a poster girl of mine, nor is she on my laminated top five (in reference to a joke she was part of on Friends). In short, she’s not my Bradley Cooper (to most, if not all of you girls).

    But I thought she looked great on the red carpet yesterday.

    Am I missing something?

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    • Mosquitonet

      She did look great, but she doesn’t take risks with her looks and we girls like to see risk takers who show us something different.

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  12. susanbrennan

    I was watching Susie O’Brien discuss the frocks on the Nine Afternoon News yesterday and I was almost upset at how nasty she was about some of the frocks and hairstyles. I grew up being taught, if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all!

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  13. Bradley

    Joan Rivers tells it like it is. She knocks a few sacred cows down from their pedestals with her biting wit and sarcasm.

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    • Sasha

      Bloody hell bradley, a few “cows down from their pedestals”?? How many of these “cows” have you actually ever hung out with, so they had the opportunity to reveal to you their horrible natures? Or are you just assuming their cows/bitches/whatever else because they’re beautiful, rich and successful? Why do they need to be brought down a peg?

      These women act for a living, and part of that is promoting themselves as a brand/product, and promoting their films, which requires them to make appearances at red carpet events. It doesn’t mean they think they’re better than anyone else – they’re doing their job. It certainly doesn’t mean they need to be abused into lower self esteem, as punishment for some crime you bizarrely seem to think they’ve committed.

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      • Bradley

        And for the record….I put quite a number of male movie stars/celebrities in the sacred cow department as well.

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        • Sasha (the first)

          for the record the Sasha above is not me (the one who normally calls you out on stuff).

          Guess I have some competition :D

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          • Bradley

            Two Sasha’s calling me out on stuff !

            I am the original lucky little vegemite, I am.

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          • The new intruded Sasha!

            Haha sorry Sasha! I didn’t know there was another one, and I don’t usually post! I’ll have to come up with a new name :)

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    • Jess

      I adore Joan Rivers, she is hilarious, and more often than not, just says what everyone else is thinking but is too afraid to say out loud. I can’t believe there are people who don’t find her funny.

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      • lara

        agreed! She is hilarious, Hollywood takes itself so seriously. Love a bit of good biting humour, Ricky Gervais style.

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  14. Anonymous

    I want to discuss celebrity painting whilst being a bitch.

    Mia, I dare you to pan out that headline photo and show us the good oil.

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  15. fifi-lulu

    It comes down to choice.
    With the Oscar’s, some made good choices (Watts, Obama) and some made bad (Klum, Hathaway).

    These ‘stars’ have so much choice for every aspect of their appearance, that’s why they hire stylists to make the choices for them.

    The problem is when people make the wrong choice based on:
    - designer name (“but it’s Valentino” – no, Jen bad design choice, you are lost in that fabric),
    - wrong fit for body type (Weaver is too short and rotund to pull off a fishtail)
    - inappropriate for the occasion (Klum)
    - what ‘works’ for them so they never try anything different (Renee Z – looking at you)
    - or just poorly made clothes (Hathaway the movie – Darts Gone Bad).

    I think this is why we get worked up about the fashion; they have so much choice to look fabulous and when they look ‘meh’ we, the common people, are somewhat disappointed.

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  16. Bea

    I love the red carpet and fashion blogs but I don’t watch Fashion Police. I just find it too nasty. I think you can talk about fashion and be funny without resorting to lazy jokes or making it personal and nasty. It’s definitely a fine line – the Go Fug Yourself girls had me giggling through their Oscars live blog (though at times they get a little snarky) but Joan Rivers always has me cringing.

    I’m also painfully aware that somewhere, lurking out in the world, are photos of me in questionable sartorial choices. The threat of one of those babies resurfacing (black satin and tuelle anyone?) is enough to stop me from ever making a mean outfit comment on my blog or facebook.

    http://www.thegoogleyear.blogspot.com.au/

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  17. Anonymous

    Catherine Deveny, Joan Rivers. The twins of lazy and foul.

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    • Jackie

      But….sorry bitchy comment….Joan is better dressed

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    • Jess

      I can’t believe you put Catherine Deveny and Joan Rivers in the same sentence. I think Catherine is vile and Joan is a genius but I guess it’s all subjective.

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      • Bradley

        I’d say that your comment is pretty accurate.

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  18. LPlates

    My friend loves Fashion Police. I however find Joan Rivers to be vicious. I don’t feel you need to resort to base level and be cruel in an attempt at humour. I don’t find it funny. In fact Joan is a bully and hides behind excuses like “nobody has a sense of humour anymore” and “we have gone to far in being pc”. It’s the same with her swearing. In my opinion if you have to rely on swearing and insulting others to be funny you are only displaying the lowest form of wit and low self-esteem.

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  19. Boo

    I LOVE watching the red carpet. I’m a well educated woman, mother of sons and a daughter, interested in current affairs and world events and feel strongly about many issues. However I also feel strongly about a gorgeous frock complimented with jewels and makeup. I don’t think there is anything wrong with admiring fashion and a well put together look as long as you don’t get personal about it and if you don’t like something to not be vicious about it.

    I do watch Fashion Police because I enjoy listening to their opinions and seeing if they match with my own. I agree Joan can be quite unfunny at times but she does have some wit…enough to not make me switch off.

    I think it’s the whole fantasy thing. Most of us will never get the chance to wear designer frocks, millions of dollars of borrowed jewellery and have a team of people buffing and fluffing us before we walk out the door so it’s entertaining to watch those who do have that opportunity. And never underestimate the emotional response a beautiful look can bring out. Last year when Gwyneth rocked up in her white dress and cape I just couldn’t stop looking at it and loving it. Simply stunning. A bit like when I watched the Royal wedding…that’s never going to be me but gosh darn I love to look and admire.

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  20. justvisiting

    Gosh I love Joan Rivers – and when did everyone become so precious about dissing celebrities’ clothes?

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  21. Anonymous

    yes, its possible … but why would you want to discuss it at all?

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    • Jess

      Because most of us can’t discuss cancer research and world peace 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Sometimes you need a little fluff in your world and there is nothing wrong with that.

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      • Alice

        Haha nicely put Jess!

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      • lucinda

        Agreed. And also most of us like to feel beautiful every now and again. Seeing as we don’t get many chances in real life to dress up in designer gowns and have our hair and makeup done by world leaders in their field, we get to live this through the stars.

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