This is not a post about sluts or slut walks. If you’d like to go there, go here. Perhaps it’s a post about getting older and taking a look around and wondering why some people are wearing no clothes.
In her editorial letter in Shop Til You Drop recently, Justine Cullen wrote in part:
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Obviously I’m getting old, because I still think the underside of your bum cheeks are for wearing inside your pants rather than out of them. It must be the case because everywhere I look, everyone else has their bum-cheek undersides hanging out for the world to see. Some of them look good (Erin Wasson), some don’t (the rest of the population), but this invasion of fleshy exposure has hit a tipping point I’m worried we may never recover from.
Being from Bondi, I’d been thinking it was just a hazard of the suburb, like sunburnt tourists and weekend garage sales. But recently I was away for the weekend and ended up at a country fair. I don’t know what I was expecting, but for goodness sake, it was a country fair: I had to restrain from wearing gingham. When I got there, though, I felt like I’d accidentally wandered down a wrong alley in Kings Cross. Bottoms, boobs, intentionally unbuttoned flies (what is that about?!)… vast amounts of skin as far as the eye could see. It wasn’t pretty, and the fact that the trend had clearly gone regional made it all the more worrisome. Why has it become so hard to tell your average twentysomething from your average streetwalker? When did we all decide to start dressing like skanks?
There’s something much more alluring about a bit of mystery — nothing Amish, just basic nipple and private parts-coverage. If you’re at a festival, there’s no need to prove that you chose not to wear the disposable G-string when you got your spray tan, going to the races does not require the same outfit as a Zoo Weekly cover shoot, pulling a stripper face is not truly necessary for your Facebook profile picture, and unless we’re in Cabo, I don’t want to see you on the dance floor in a triangle bikini, no matter how much you’ve been doing your Tracy Anderson. Even in Cabo.
Let me repeat myself in case you missed it the first time: this is not a debate about whether the way a woman dresses makes her a target for sexual assault (duh, IT DOESN’T. I think we’re all clear on that. Crystal.).
This is not about ‘judging’ a woman’s sexual history or reputation based on how she dresses. Please.
But it’s impossible not to notice that compared to, say 5, 10, 20 years ago, some women (not all) are pushing the boundaries between “clothes” and “almost naked”. More flesh seems to be being flashed than ever before.
So what happens when this spills (sometimes literally) into the workplace?
Adele Horin wrote for Fairfax recently:
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What young women wear at the weekend, at night, to parties, or clubs or pubs is their own business. Women can be as playful and outrageous as their comfort zone and creativity allow. What young women wear to work is another matter. Like it or not, there are unwritten rules that govern office attire that women should heed if they are to be taken seriously in their career.
Young women have taken to wearing ”designer” thongs to work as if the folly of paying a hefty price for Havaianas elevates the genre from beachwear to office wear.
They wear tights with a big T-shirt as if the absence of a skirt won’t be noticed.
Most disconcerting is the nonchalant flaunting of cleavage and orbs in barely there tops and shirts with plunging necklines.
The matter of breasts in the office was driving one boss I know to distraction. It wasn’t the sexual titillation; it was the inappropriateness that bothered him, and what he should do about it. He didn’t dare mention it to the persistent offender lest it be misconstrued as sexual harassment. But the woman’s sluttish dress sense was putting her career in jeopardy. When she was thought of, it was for her unsuitable exhibitionism. She was kept away from clients because it was thought she would not be taken seriously.
Finally a senior female colleague was prevailed upon to have a quiet word.
…Work dress codes have changed over the decades, and it could be argued young women are simply pushing the boundaries again.
Perhaps it should not matter if a young woman gives a presentation in a virtually see-through blouse without underwear to a gaggle of tittering men (so says my female boss friend), just as what she wears on Saturday night should not matter. If she has the skills and commitment, her superiors should ignore the package and focus on the content.”
Now just imagine for one minute that you are a man or maybe you are so this exercise will be much easier for you. Imagine you are at work around a meeting table and the woman bending down in front of you is wearing no bra and you can right down the barrel of her shirt. Not because you want to but because she is bending over in front of you.
You can’t say anything because that’s sexual harassment and you can’t choose not to see it because it’s in your direct line of sight. I’m not implying the woman is asking for you to look at her boobs, I’m not imagining that you don’t have the brain power to tell you not to act on that image but God it would be hard for me to work if I was presented with the sight of a man’s penis in front of me during a meeting. Not because it would turn me on but because it would be confronting and would make me uncomfortable.
So is that my problem or the person wearing the see-through pants?
Have you noticed people dressing in a more….overt way? At work? Going out?








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Thongs are not shoes, and jeans are not pants. And “no cracks, front and back” is a safe rule to go by.
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Today I saw a woman who looked 40+ on the train wearing a tight pink satin singlet, hot pink mini and high black wedges. I see older women at shopping centres buying clothes at “teenage” stores such as Supre and Valleygirl. I feel embarressed for women I see who clearly shouldn’t be wearing cropped t-shirts and denim hot pants. Dress your age. You had your turn at being young and carefree.
Before you judge teenagers for what they wear think back to when you were young. I bet you pushed the boundaries too. Let them discover their style, have fun with fashion and express themselves.
However I do think dressing this way in the workplace is inappropriate. Weekends are fine but a professional environment isn’t the place for showing skin. If you want to advance and be taken seriously you need to look the part. That goes for men too. Tuck in and iron your shirt!
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I keep trying to convince my Mum (who’s 60) to try places like Supre for clothes – if you can fit into them they can be great for tshirts and singlet tops and tights and stuff. Fluoro bra tops and mini skirts, not so much!
She refuses to set foot in there! She’s going on a trip to Egypt, and she’s been looking for cheapo stuff to be able to layer for her trip, hence the suggestion.
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Black Bra under white business shirts…. so tacky!
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Yeah, like I mentioned below – they actually had to make a it a published rule in the navy that coloured underwear under white shirts/bottoms wasn’t cool.
Black under white would’ve been the tip of the iceberg – think fluoro lovehearts and stuff.
The dumbest part is that we got ISSUED skin coloured and white bras as part of our uniform!
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I agree young women now look too slutty, and often try-hard. At the moment, our receptionist wears tops that are too large around the neck, resulting in full view of her bra-strap, or no bra-strap at all, I doubt any male she talks to hears a word she says.
I wonder- when did ‘sexy’ become a look to aim for? I believe my look ranges from cute, sporty, professional- but always elegant. I reckon- when in doubt, lengthen the skirt and shorten the hair.
And sure, show off your body- one bit at a time. So, in the picture above, the cleavage is low, but the dark colours and the hairstyle still make her elegant. So long as she is not wearing a short mini too.
. I don’t want to see thier bra straps, bellies,
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kids these days, eh? in my teens (the 80s) my school skirt was so short you could see my undies. in my twenties (the 90s) the wonderbra had been invented and i had cleavage for the first time so hung my puppies out of the lowest cut shirts i could find. in my 30s (the 00s) i spent a lot of time pregnant and jealous of low rise jeans and the availability of g-strings. nah, i’m not shocked by what the young ‘uns wear.
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Where I come from people dress a lot more casual than here. Jeans are considered appropriate workwear in most offices as are fashion sneakers. And perhaps because of this, people tend to not try so hard when dressing. Women take pride in themselves and usually wear amazing clothes, and men put that little extra something into their outfits past the safe dark suit and tie. And the rest of us just feel comfortable.
The tendency to show a lot of skin doesn’t seem as evident as in Australia. I”m guessing because we don’t feel ‘forced’ to wear certain outfits and then followingly feel the need to push that ‘look’ to the limits.
I would love for the short highwaisted shorts to be kicked back to the 70′s. In particularly when they’re worn by 8-year-olds!!
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The thing that gets me in Denmark is the banks. Everywhere else I don’t care what people wear, but I’m so used to either uniforms or suits in banks that I always notice what they wear and I hate when it’s cargo pants and sneakers.
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Most days I wear pyjamas to work. They almost always have weet-bix and other random sticky-toddler-food stains on them.
Yay for working from home!
On another note, I am starting a new trend where you don’t iron clothes anymore. Not ever. It’s really cool, you should do it too.
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When I was in the navy, they actually had to make it a rule (and point it out and enforce it) that people didn’t wear coloured underwear under our whites (shirts in winter, shirts and pants in summer). I thought it was just commonsense that you’d only ever wear a white/skin coloured bra under a white shirt for work, but apparently not! One too many bright red bras made appearances, I believe.
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Can I make one objection. I don’t think this is exclusively a GenY issue. I have come across people from all walks of life and of all ages dressed inappropriately for work. Equally on the streets, people who may not be dressing the best for the body shape are not necessarily young.
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Where do you draw the line? and why?
If someone at work uses offensive language, you have a right to ask them to stop and if they don’t, they’re bullying you. Behaviour is so much more easily defined as acceptable and unacceptable than appearance.
Personally, I believe that in the workplace you need to behaviour and dress in a way that suits the workplace image and is comfortable for the people around you. It may seem superficial but I have made business decisions based on a person’s body odour and the way they drink their tea because at the end of the day, I spend more time with these people than I do my family or friends and I want to be comfortable.
On the street, its free for all. I admit, I have made crude comments about what people are wearing (as I equally comment people I think are well dressed) but if you venture out into the centre you need to accept that you will see these things. As my mum always says, if we were all the same (in this case dressed the same, liked the same things) the world would be a boring place.
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I think we forget what we were like at their age. I had to think a bit to remember , myself, but if i’m honest, i was clearly naked from 1997 to 2001.
We used to wear those “above belly button” shirts all the time and i remember my cousin and I wondering if we shouldn’t buy longer shirts when our grandpa said he’d take us to church one ash wednesday. so we clearly didn’t OWN any belly button covering shirt. We used to unbutton and unzip our pants, and tuck the sides in our underwear, because hipster jeans hadn’t been invented yet. Belly button rings were very in, you see, and clothes were invented only so we could show them off. Nah, i used to be as naked as the kids are today. I just covered up once my hormones calmed down
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I am a lawyer and I am horrified at what some of our female grads wear into work these days. It seems that things that would ordinarily only be considered appropriate for casual Friday have crept into every day wear.
Today I saw a graduate solicitor in knee high boots, lacy floral stockings and a skin tight top and skirts. Not appropriate. At all. Another one wears dresses on casual Friday that look like nighties. I just can’t take them seriously.
Mind you, when I see what magazines describe as “work wear”, I’m not as shocked at what they turn up in. I have almost never seen anything in a magazine spread that was appropriate for a professional environment.
When I started (only 7 years ago) all of the ladies wore proper suits everyday (except on casual Friday). I miss those days.
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Just recently, I had lunch with a friend who is a teacher at the school we used to go to. She said they no longer have ‘mufti day’ because the girls have no idea how to dress appropriately – they can’t seem to come to school without looking like tarts. Times have definitely changed.
The girls should take a leaf out of Kate Middleton’s book. She’s the Duchess of Cambridge – hence, simply not allowed to dress like a tart – yet she always looks sexy and beautiful. Pay attention, kiddies!
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As a teacher, I like to look professional and sometimes wear skirts, tights and heels. However as my job often involves walking long distances between classrooms, herding groups of kids out on the oval and climbing on chairs to switch equipment on and off, the polished office look is sometimes not pracitcal. However I feel I owe it to my students and their families to reflect in my dress that I am a professional and it sets a good example.
Even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said once that ‘hair matters’ (quoted on Oprah.com). She’s right. Good presentation matters.
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Wow, and thought I was the only one who was a bit perturbed by this. I was watching an old episode of Friends a few weeks ago and rather than following the storyline, I was fascinated by how completely NORMAL everyone looked – you know, lovely and beautiful and nicely dressed and everything – but their clothes! They were baggy! BAGGY! Loose fitting! Un-see through! They cast hadn’t had a gazillion Botox injections of fake tans or whatever… They looked good, but normal. So somewhere between Friends and now, things went horribly wrong. (Personally I blame Ally McSkinny McBeal. )
I had a similar moment with two magazine photos recently too. One was of Demi Moore’s naked pregnant photo on the cover of Vanity Fair; the other was a more recent PETA ‘I’d rather go naked than wear fur’ ad. At one point, this kind of nudity – public nudity – was shocking. Now? My reaction was ‘meh’.
I’m sure there is a correlation between the global stock market, the desireable shape of women’s bodies, hemlines and social mores…
Now I’m going back to crocheting doilies.
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At school there are girls wearing tights (from dark stockings to leggings) with their school shirt and when they are spoken to about it they become argumentative, indignant and don’t see a problem with their dress. There is a sense of entitlement; that they can show their body to everyone with no consideration for the image they are projecting or the assault on other people’s eyes.
Today I ran a PE lesson and the girls had rolled up their shorts then had the hide to loudly declare that no one should look up their shorts when they were doing sit ups and stretches. When I made them unroll their shorts they argued and complained: apparently they are more comfortable rolled up (give me a break!).
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I don’t know.. I think it’s pretty fantastic that girls have a sense of entitlement about their own bodies, and what they wear.
Is it possible that they are rebelling because they don’t like someone else having authority to tell them what to wear? Seems pretty healthy to me.
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Yes, but it’s that ‘look at me!’ grab for attention, then bringing further attention to it by saying ‘nobody better look at me’, ugh. If the shorts are too long, buy ones that fit better.
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How come this has been re-posted – wasn’t this a post from a few weeks ago? Just curious…..
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Not quite, we posted it a few weeks ago accidentally (it wasn’t in our line-up) so we took it back to drafts until we were ready
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Thanks Rick! I’m obviously checking the site waaaaay too often….
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Oh, there’s nothing wrong with that!
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Boys are just as bad as girls in this regard. Some of them at my work wear their cycling nicks around the office until they feel like getting changed and at a work offsite, a guy was wearing a tight man boob mirror ball t-shirt. This was in an ultra conservative financial institution as well!!!
This also goes for older ladies/men as well… let’s not get picky about age!
I think a policy or setting some expectations up front is what is needed. Boy/girl, casual/sexy… whatever!!! Let people know what is expected of them clothing wise, performance wise etc. I am sick of bosses and others rolling their eyes at others when some people clearly (even though it may appear obvious) honestly do not know.
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Yes guys, a black shirt is not professional.
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People are absolutely dressing in a more overt way! I was talking about this with someone the other day. She is 17 and in her last year of school, and even she is shocked at some of the things the younger girls are doing – such as wearing a belt under your top to tuck your skirt over in order to make it shorter. She told me that she and another girl confronted one such offender who was in year 8, as she bent over and they could see her underwear. She said that this girl gave her an eye roll, said “oops!” in an insincere way, and went off hitching her skirt back up as high as she could.
Makes me worry for the women of the future.
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I remember my mother describing this when she was at school in the 60s! They would quickly unroll their skirts if they saw the principal coming and then hitch them straight back up again!
The idea of a 17 year old “confronting an offender” … that’s just funny! Someone should tell self-righteous teenagers that they miss all the fun …
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This week I saw a 20 somehting in platform spike heels, singlet with gaping openings under the arms, bright pink coloured bra, leggings and chatting with her uber conservative boss waiting for their morning coffee at the cafe.
I wanted to take her aside and tell her noone will take her seriously dressing like that to work. It made me feel old- I remember being outraged at being asked to take my nose ring out for the office in my early 20′s.
But seriously girls- youre doing yourself and the sisterhood no favours dressing like that. Individuality is fine. Titillation or confrontation is just silly.
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I think workwear should always be polished and professional.
In my very conservative industry that means – knee length skirts and dresses, stockings, covered shoes, no cleavage. I dislike suits and wear colourful dresses and have started buying more interesting jewellery, but still stick to the above rules.
I wouldn’t hire an assistant who dressed as if she (or he!) was heading out clubbing! You have to dress seriously if you want to be taken seriously.
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No sexy dressing at work please. Work is for….work.
However, I’ve no problem with dressing sexy in your own time. If you’ve got it, why not flaunt it? Enjoy it while you can I say. Life’s too short to be a prude.
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depends on what you do for a living
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First things first, as some other commenters have said I find using words like “slutty” and “skanky” problemtic. Those words are very demeaning and have long been used to shame women for their sexuality. I don’t think they really have a place in a meaningful discussion. I also think it is troublesome to frame the discussion as dressing “too sexy”. Dressing in revealing clothing is not exclusively about sex appeal. Just because a person is wearing revealing clothing does not mean they chose those clothes in a deliberate attempt to be sexy. It can be about being comfortable, staying cool or any number of other reasons.
This subject has really been interesting to me because my firmly held belief is that other peoples bodies are none of my business and this includes what they wear. However, I do think that there is such a thing as work appropriate attire.
People can dress how they want outside of work and it is none of my damn business. If there is something about them that is making me uncomfortable I can choose not to interact with them. I can walk away. This isn’t the case in a work environment. You have to work and interact with people and walking away is not an option. This is where I think some basic guidelines should be abided by. Any person can dress how they want, it is their body, but it pays to be considerate of other people and try not to make them uncomfortable (within reason).
The other thing is that many people that you interact with will not have ample time to assess you on your abilities. A lot of business interactions are fleeting and people often have to make judgement calls on first impressions. A company may offer a fabulous product or service but often a client will have to decide which company to go with on relatively superficial information. It may include phone manner, spelling in your emails, promptness of responses and the way you dress. What you wear will have an impact on your business. People will often extrapolate from your appearance. If you are dressed sloppily they may assume this extends to your work. If your shirt isn’t ironed they may think you lack attention to detail. This may not be true but sometimes people have to make quick judgements and what you are wearing may be all they have to go on.
To be fair to everybody I think businesses should have clear dress guidelines for everybody. This way there is no confusion about what is considered work appropriate attire at your place of employment.
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Even in what you said, i find some things that make me uncomfortable. the “deliberate attempt to be sexy” part. Some women dress in a deliberate attempt to be sexy. There is nothing wrong with that. They might like the feeling of power when men smile at them and access their every demand, they might enjoy feeling desirable in a sexual way, they may be ovulating and instinctlively feel in a sexual mood and dress accordingly, there is nothing wrong with sexuality. Even in females.
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Oh yeah I totally agree! I work at Best and Less on the weekends and our work uniforms is to wear all black; long trousers, knee length skirt, black short or long sleeved blouse and optional a black cardigan. Since when did knee length skirts turn into skirts just covering your arse. That is what I am seeing at work (and we’re in retail) and I find it disgusting.. what happened to respecting your body.. I also worry for when they go for a job interview when these girls are older!
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Heh, I was in Best & Less on Sunday, and I did actually notice how short and tight the skirts that the girls were wearing were! Man they have good baby clothes there!
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I was actually noticing the other day that soooo many younger girl can’t walk in heels. So much so that i was thinking of running workshops to teach girls how o walk and stand and sit (like the old school deportment courses). Besides Patrick Swayze did it. So i was talking to my mum and sisters about this phenomena. I wonder if some girls don’t actually know that the short skirt in itself is not the problem but if you in a formal environment then perhaps add some tan pantyhose. Or wear the lowcut top if you must but make sure you wear a bra and the top will not move past the area you are comfortable with. I danced my whole life and did a couple of Vegas style shows where you look like you are wearing very little but let me tell you there is NO WAY you are seeing more than i want you to.
Maybe it’s worth giving small bits of advice without judgement or maybe i should try and put together a course to help.
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And super high heels belong in a nightclub not an office!
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100% agree… I find the teetering heels more of putting than the tight top!
Oh and also agree about the right bra!
Basically everything you say.
But i felt i had to ‘say’ rather than just a thumbs up!
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I think every girl could benefit from a deportment course, as old school as it is, there’s nothing wrong with learning how to sit properly, walk with correct posture etc. We had one at our high school and it was great.
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Sounds like a thumbs up to the courses hee hee !!
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Do the course Missa – I know of at least five girls in my employment that I’d sign up!
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I would love to come gto your course. Are you in Melbourne? I always feel slouchy and I think I walk scruffily.
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As a priest in training I am very aware of what I wear on business. I am representing God and the Church, so the focus needs to be on what I am saying/doing rather than what I am wearing. Of course, because I work a lot with younger people if I dress too conservatively they won’t feel comfortable with me either! My rule is to try and think about what will make others comfortable. This means shoes, knee length or longer and no slogan tops. In my private life I can go as wild as I like (which to be honest isn’t very!) but I owe it to my calling to not distract people from the message by the way I look. This is of course why we robe up when we are presiding at a service – we are not there as individuals but as a representative of something more.
The only thing I miss is that I can’t wear bright nail polish anymore because I’m too lazy to take it off and reapply every sunday!
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I agree and I am all for women dressing to express themselves.
But there has to be a balance between that and consideration for the people who have to look at you.
I don’t want to have to come into my own workplace, or any other public space which might happen to be your workplace, and have to look at your bum or your boobs etc.
You might think that they are the beez neez, but that doesnt mean everyone wants them in their face.
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Best advice I was given was from a previous boss, who also took on the role of mentor for me: Dress for the job you want, not the job you have.
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I want to be retired…and dress that way!
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I can just see you now, retired, in shorts & monkey feet, on a deck chair, sipping a drink with an umbrella in it… No, wait, that was you yesterday
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Were you stalking me?
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Don’t tell…
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Someone once told me that they had seen me sitting by a pool with a monkey sitting on my chest.
I just happen to have a very hairy chest !
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Oh my, that made me snort.
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I always dress the same as my boss’ other direct reports.
It has worked well for me as a PA.
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I had a boss tell me the same thing. I currently work as the HR Manager in a very male dominated, blue collar industry where most people wear polo shirts to the office, but I will always wear business shirts with tailored pants or skirts and (sensible) heels because that’s the image I want to portray.
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In the early 90s I started work at an ad agency in North Sydney. I worked in the production department where everyone wore jeans and t-shirts. Nothing wrong with that, but I had come across from a small agency where we all met with the clients and was used to wearing business suits, shirts and heels. Very sharp. I continued to wear this attire at my new job and was teased (good-naturedly) for being over-dressed. 15 months later I was their boss. Just coincidence??
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yes!
i have always worked in pretty conservative environments, and at my current workplace im amazed at what 2 of the younger girls wear (they are 22 and 21, im 30).
They wear what i ‘might’ wear to a club – but even then ive always thought it way more sexy to ‘hint’ at my good features, not display them overtly!
Its a business environment, and they wear no bras, off the shoulder tops, unbelievably short skirts – im a woman, and im uncomfortable with it, i can only imagine how the guys feel.
They get spoken to all the time about it by our boss but no change.
You can dress in a feminine and attractive way at work without wearing a nuns habit or slut wear.
when did young girls stop noticing the line between sexy and skanky?
i think the proliferation of FB, Twitter, mobile phones as cameras etc have impacted this a lot. I feel like such a nanna but i cant believe how much has changed in one generation with this stuff.
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All the girls dress incredibly demure and conservative where I work, mainly because the new guy at work is a TP (tits pervert) you could be wearing a nuns habit and he’ll be gazing at your lady lumps. So yes, this perv has definitely changed how we dress around here- oh and encouraged us all to carry around folders.
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Ugh… what a creep.
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Yep its pretty gross, one of the more assertive girls has actually spoken to him about it but no change. We also race to meetings to avoid having to sit across from him (a bit like the short skirt lady story below).
Seriously if anyone has any advice would love to hear it
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I worked with a creep like that too, we nick named him Benny Hill. I got him for the office Kris Kringle one year and bought him an ice cube tray where the moulds were in the shape of boobs and penises. He went very quiet after that for a long time.
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Everything about you says something about you. We recently critters the PM for wearing a suit when visiting flooded QLD. she quickly changed to a more “appropriate” attire – jeans and a nice shirt.
When we go to weddings, we dress up. Why? We’re saying to the bride and groom (maybe one day bride & bride or groom & groom), we realize this is a momentus occasion and we respect that! Here I am in my finery showing you so!
So when we’re at work we should also respect those around us too. Want ppl to notice your work first and foremost? Don’t distract them with your clevage or the possibility of seeing your undies! Or on the flip side – leaving clients or colleagues to question your work care factor by turning up to important meetings (even interviews) dressed casually.
One of our writers neverwets clients so wears jeans to work. However he started out wearing suits until his work and work ethic proved to our boss how he cared for his role. His casual attire is never an issue.
I meet with clients all the time however, and so cannot wear casual even though I care just as much as our writer. In fact it’s because I care, that I wear appropriate work clothes!
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I remember my first job in a merchant bank in Sydney about 20 years ago, I laddered my stockings. My manager tapped me on the shoulder and advised me to go and buy a new pair and change them. Immediately!
I know a lot of women dont even wear stockings or pantihose today, especially in summer. Back then it was considered necessary to be well groomed in a corporate environment.
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I was amazed when people started wearing fishnets!!!
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When I worked at David Jones between 2002 and 2006, pantyhose were compulsory if you were wearing a skirt, even in the middle of summer. Knee highs or similar were to be worn with trousers as well. I’m not so big on this nowadays, but if I need to look polished, I definitely wear hosiery.
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When I worked at Big W – even as recently as 2003 – we always had to wear stockings with skirts. Even if they were skin colour, there was a level of respect associated with having a thin layer of fabric between your legs and the customers!
Now I work in an office in which the dress code is relatively lax. I don’t wear stockings with short skirts, but then I don’t wear skirts shorter than my knees.
The informal dress code is designed to allow employees to wear something practical like jeans and a polo shirt. Some girls, however, are just taking the pi$$. Short shorts with boob tubes and high heels – that’s not dressing for practicality – it’s dressing for attention.
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If that happened to me, I would be pissed.
They’re just stockings!
Why should you have to leave work, and get behind on whatever you were working on for such a silly reason. Just seems like the priorities are out of whack in this situation.
Can you imagine a male colleague being told to go and buy a new shirt if he spilt his lunch on it?
This is why I don’t work in a merchant bank.
(Down with authoritah!!)
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Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we brought in more ‘deportment’ training for both young men & women in the last couple yrs of school? I do genuinely think, that for many people they just don’t make the connection between what they’re wearing & etiquettes of a workplace. They need to be educated, particuarly if you are brought up by parents that have no idea and have no mentors to give you guidance on appropriateness.
I mean how many people iron, buff their shoes & so on these days….not many, it seems like a lost art (painfully boring), but the outcomes speak for themselves. I remember how absolutely anal my parents were about it, and they weren’t from the upper eschalons of society. It was important to them that we valued our possessions.
Now, I really must go and hem a shirt of mine that is looking really scraggy!
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That is a great idea, especially these days, many people to seem to have no idea that what they wear is considered inappropriate by others! I would go further and make it an entire grooming course with things like – never turn up to work with wet hair and facial piercings are not always the right image in some work places. If in doubt take them out.
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While we’re at it, basic email and communication ettiquette in a corporate environment wouldn’t go amiss either, and general manners. Surely at the very least this is something that could be incorporated into Business Studies?
Hygiene & grooming could be covered in PDHPE!
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That reminds me so much of an article I read in my mum’s Australian Women’s Weekly when I was a teenager in the 80s. Maggie Tabberer was the fashion editor at the time, and whilst I would have never taken fashion advice from her back then, she wrote an article about the sorry state of attire of the women going to work that she observed at a busstop she passed on her way to the office.
She lamented the lack of “polish” that these girls displayed and how important it is in an office environment. Specifically, she was talking about shoes that were scuffed, chipped nail polish, skirt hems that needed mending, laddered pantyhose and messy hair. It always stuck with me that it isnt the value of what you spend on your outfit for work, but how “polished” you are in your presentation.
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A close friend was a flight attendant for over 10 years and they were only allowed to wear 3 rings, including wedding and engagement rings and their earrings couldnt be bigger than a 5 cent piece. Thats why they always look so polished and tidy. I think thats a good rule to follow for professional dressing too.
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Totally agree with deportment and etiquette classes in schools. As a teacher we are trying to embed this in
Year 12, however it’s really not the role of schools. We have enough trouble teaching the curriculum and dealing with pastoral care. These values need to be taught at home!!
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Recently a young girl in my office (A creative studio with an average age of 25) came to work in short shorts on a hot day. I was shocked. She had short denim shorts on and a low cut t shirt which was revealed later in the day when she took her jumper off. It made me uncomfortable to look at all the skin! She went to her boyfriends mother’s place for tea that night and the mother said ” I hope you didn’t wear that to work today – that is inappropriate”. She had no idea it wasn’t work attire – she just dressed for how she felt that morning. She then came to work the next morning & asked my boss if what she had on the day before was inappropriate. They said yes it was. It made me feel uneasy as her workmate so imagine what a client would think!
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My bestie is in advertising, and she would be considered “ultra conservative” in an advertising agency, for what she wears.
Her clothes would be considered entirely appropriate for non-solicitor staff in my office (solicitors needing to wear suits or have suit jackets available), but at her agency, she was really conservative! I used to go to some of their events and the creatives (not the account management) wore those baggy jeans that guys wear around their bottoms, etc! It is a pretty relaxed atmosphere, but you are right, I don’t recall any of them ever wearing short shorts or short skirts!
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I also work in advertising and most of the creatives spend their days in jeans, t-shirts and a pair of cons! Account Service are generally better dressed but would not really be considered ‘conservative’.
When I first started at the Agency earlier this year, the MD took me aside and said that he really appreciated the effort I took in my presentation for work. He said that he understood nice clothes cost more, and that he appreciated my effort. I was secretly chuffed with such a compliment!
I guess it all depends on what you want to be noticed for – your skin/boobs/short skirts or your polish and work efforts…
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My husband works in advertising and all of the guys wear jeans (but what I would consider ‘good’ or ‘nice’ jeans) or casual pants.
Because my husband is the boss of his department he pairs them with a tailored jacket or button-up shirt so he looks a bit more formal/presentable/official – whatever you want to call it – but he often wishes that there was a more formal culture, particularly when they’re meeting with clients.
As a guy, he reckons that sometimes wearing a suit, or even just the tailored pants and the shirt, helps you to be taken more seriously .
He’ll often get to the weekend and want to go out somewhere nice just so he can ‘dress up’ – when there’s not much difference between workwear and weekend wear, it does get a bit boring for him.
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we have an awful woman at our work place who wear skirts 3 sizes too small, then sits and crosses her legs in meetings so her vag is at eye level… it is just horrendous. So well known that the men all play a game, and if you are late for the meeting you can garantee that the “hot seat” (the chair directly opposite her ) will be left for you. You cannot avoid looking straight up her skirt.
worse thing is, she tells other women off if they have “too much ” cleavage or their skirts are too tight/ short!!!
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Thankfully not an issue I have had to deal with at work, but my husband advises that it is not just a problem with young women.
Over the past few years he has had issues with female bosses. In the past he has one who likes to wear really low cut tops,so when you are in a meeting you don’t know where to look. The current boss likes short skirts and pull up stockings that don’t supply full coverage of the thigh area.
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I’m 28 and work in a field where I am able to wear smart casual, but I still wear slightly different clothes on the weekend. At work my top must cover most of my shoulder, I should be able to bend over without my shirt falling open, and I should be able to comfortably sit without having to pull my skirt down to hide my thighs. I always thought that was pretty standard, but obviously it isn’t.
At my previous job I made a point of not allocating more conservative clients to a particular staff member because of the way she dressed. I found it inappropriate and disrespectful, but I had no idea how to talk to her about it, and I’m a woman. It was unfair of me not to talk to her about it, but I was terrified of the potential backlash from her. It was also further complicated by the fact that one of our female managers dressed even more scantily (fishnets and thigh high boots with super short dresses/long shirts). She’d done it for so long that managers higher than her felt powerless to say or do anything about it.
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If you want to be taken seriously and you are ambitious then you need to dress the part and be appropriate for your office and industry.
When I started work I remember getting some advice “dress for the job you want, not the job you are in”. It has served me well over the years. It means you dont look to your peers for what is appropriate in your office, but you look to your mentors.
When I started working in the legal profession 20 years ago it was a dilemma whether we should wear pants to work, and I certainly would never wear bare legs. It wasnt until 5 or 6 years later when the older women started wearing pants and ditching panty hose that I ventured down that path.
What is acceptable to wear to work has changed significantly since the evolution of “business casual” in the late 90s, but I still think the basic advice I received 20 years ago still holds true.
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I still won’t go to work without panty hose on…
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Women should be allowed to wear whatever they feel comfortable in. Clothing is a form of expression. I personally love wearing outfits that are a little more sexy. If we are going to start judging women for what they wear, what is the difference between that and judging another woman for what they eat, who they date, where they live etc.
Dress codes can be put in place in a work contract. My work contract specifies what type of attire i can wear at work and by signing that contract i adhere to their policy.
Also, the type of work you do has a role in what you wear. I use to work at Tree of Life during univeristy and a lot of the dresses were flowy and backless, therefore it wasn’t classed as inappropriate.
My sister in law works in a corporate office but they have a work shirt and skirt provided for them and therefore noone could possible dress sexy as the uniform is quite ugly.
I think if it is that difficult, tighten the uniform restrictions. If someone is caught dressing inappropriately then they are breaching their contract and that’s a different story.
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I wish men were allowed more freedom of expression in the workplace…I hate business suits…they are SO BLOODY BORING…and yet so many men are expected to wear them in the workplace…they don’t have a choice…
It was like watching the Emmys Red Carpet yeaterday…all those women in exciting dresses, and a bunch of men in really boring B&W Tuxedos…they all looked the same…how boring!
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You may think that John, but to me there is nothing sexier than a man in a suit.
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…what about out of a suit?
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Depends on who the man is
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Since my boyfriend graduated and now has a corporate job I am loving him in suits!! I love meeting him after work for dinner or drinks, he is so handsome!
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I had to send an email out once to remind everyone to dress up because the big boss was in town. It was as easy as sending an email saying ties and jackets for guys but had no idea what to say about the woman. And in this current role we have a lot more younger woman than I am used to and i am shocked by what they wear.
I have had one or two admit to me that they don’t have separate outfits for work and going out. I used to be like that when I was younger but soon learnt that it was a lot easier having a work wardrobe and a weekend one. (oh and please don’t say you can’t afford both) I haven’t bought a new suit in about 3 yrs but yet still get comments on how stylish they are.
But my weekend clothes back then were nowhere near as skimpy as they are nowadays.
Even though one day I do recall being called into HR office (10 or so years ago) to be told not to wear Singlet tops. I was so horrified as I imagined a few discussion were had prior to me being called in and I never wanted to be discussed like that.
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Even though I’ve always been pretty boring and not into skimpy, I have always had work clothes and non-work clothes.
It would be my worst nightmare to be told what I was wearing wasn’t appropriate…hence my extensive black suit and light pink shirts!
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Ultimately we will generally always wear what we feel most comfortable in.
I say, wear whatever it is that snaps your carrot. But before you step from your front door do ask yourself if the sight of you in your favourite garb is likely to interfer with the digestion of someone’s recently consumed meal.
Some look good, some don’t.
As for the showing of too much skin thing, I’m always very conscious about dressing too sexily before I leave the house. Bless my cotton socks !
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said cotton socks are worn with sandals no doubt
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Oh no ! The cotton socks are reserved for when I’m home alone and want to sing “Old Time Rock N Roll” in my white y-fronts and a long sleeved shirt.
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Oh, my burning eyes!!!
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My fashion rules are basically dress appropriate for what you’re doing, and make sure it’s clean, tidy, and doesn’t show your pink bits.
On the way to the beach? Rock that bikini. Going to work with kids? Leave the short skirt and heels at home. In the office on a 45′ day? That spaghetti strap dress is fine.
Don’t turn up in dirty clothes that need ironing. Don’t turn up with baby sick on your clothes. Don’t turn up smelling of beer. Wear underwear with your skirt. These might seem obvious but they clearly aren’t.
For people of any gender, what you wear counts. It’s up to you how you want it to count.
*on a side note, can we not call women sluts, skanks, or streetwalkers in future please?
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….and I don’t ever want to read of males being referred to a man-ho’s !
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Umm so what should we call women who walk the streets as part of their job?
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Well, in this context it was meant as a derogatory term for a prostitute, so i guess we could call them that. Or a sex industry worker.
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the correct term – prostitute.
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Street Hostesses!!
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Sexual surrogate ?????
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I’m 22 and my friends always laugh at how conservatively dressed I am. I have big boobs but I NEVER get them out, to the point where people are surprised to discover I have big boobs. To be honest I just feel so uncomfortable if I’m wearing clothes that are too revealing, and sorry but I DO think it is harder for people to take you seriously when you’re wearing next to nothing!
That said, conservative certainly doesn’t have to equal ugly or boring dressing. I’ve worked in fashion retail throughout my degree and I think I dress really well in clothes that SUIT my body and don’t reveal too much.
When did sexy become about revealing everything anyway?? How is that sexy? I think its much more sexy to leave something to the imagination.
And you don’t need to dress in a revealing way to demonstrate “personality” at work – there are far more effective ways to do that by nice shoes, well cut blazers or statement necklaces.
And….ahem….I should know…..at my last internship I was voted “Best Dressed Intern” that they’d ever had. And guess what? I got offered a job
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It ain’t just the girls, kids.
I was recruiting for a reception position in very posh London restaurant a few years ago and a young man came for an interview wearing a t-shirt which said, in lime green script, ‘I want to f*ck you like an animal’.
Except without the asterisk.
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LOL that DID NOT happen!
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Tell me he got the job! After working in recruitment in the UK, I’ve also seen some crackers, but none as good as that!
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I work in Recruitment so I’m pretty passionate about this topic. I’m literally recruiting for a junior receptionist position at the moment and yesterday I interviewed a girl who wore a very short skirt, no stockings/tights, she had little flat flip flop shoes and her shirt needed ironing, she had her hair in a messy bun and no make up on. She presented in a manner that suggested she made no effort to dress appropriate for this interview and this in turn could reflect in her ability to make an effort at work. I’m sorry if that seems harsh. I don’t expect people to come in designer suits, I’ve seen young girls come in dressed in K Mart and look lovely. I do expect an effort and I’m afraid this isn’t discrimination, it’s expectation and I do think it is also respect.
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That doesn’t seem harsh, I would have felt the same way.
Did you give her that feedback though to help her dress more appropriately for her next interview?
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Ah yes, but then I got the eye roll. Interview ended soon after.
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At least you did your best for the girl by telling her what her error was – if she doesn’t take your advice it’s her fault but if you don’t give it it’s partly yours
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Ooh an eyeroll would have tipped me over the edge! Gah!! Well good luck to her finding a job, she’s going to need it!
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I’m in 2 minds about dressing for interviews…I think you’re correct for public-facing positions like a receptionist…but for someone like me who works behind-the-scenes…well, I hate dressing up too much for an interview…I’d much prefer to simply come as I am… because this IS who I am…mind you, I haven’t applied for a job for 11 years…
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That’s more or less how I am with job interviews these days – I will dress for the interview how I expect to dress for the job. If it’s corporate I’ll wear a skirt/pants, blouse and heels, because that’s what I would wear day to day. If it is a casual environment, I’ll wear jeans and a blazer. It’s both a case of comfort and of showing I understand the culture of the company.
My husband once had a recruiter try to pressure him into wearing his suit to an IT firm that had an openly casual work environment. The recruiter had told him that daily attire was jeans, shorts, t-shirts etc, but then expected him to wear his suit. It just didn’t make sense.
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I can see where you’re coming from with the messy hair and the clothing, but the lack of make up – this is discriminatory to me.
Women should NEVER have to wear make up to be taken seriously. It’s not a requirement for looking neat and tidy.
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You are absolutely right, my comment about the lack of make up referred more to the whole look of being a bit dishevelled. My highest performing employee, brilliant at her job, loved by clients, respected by all, a great worker – doesn’t wear a scrap of make up.
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I can see how it can represent the whole scruffy package though and that could come through in their work. At an interview you are trying to be selling yourself and what you can do and make your best impression. I dont know any woman who looks better without makeup than with makeup. Most people relax a bit with their grooming once they’ve got the job, so I think you made the right decision considering she was so terribly groomed and scruffy to start with.
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I agree that it’s probably discriminatory, but studies have shown that women who wear makeup do better in the corporate world, so there’s certainly something to the impression that it makes.
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She was obviously referring to no make up in the context of everything else this girl was doing wrong. Having said that, I don’t see how wearing make up will harm you in the workplace. I work in a very serious job and wear (subtle) make up every single day. It takes me a maximum of 10 mins to apply in the morning, it’s really not that much work but makes so much difference. It’s all a part of making an effort and in this day and age where so many women are comfortable in taking zero care in their appearance, I’d be most impressed with someone who is willing to make an effort and apply make up. And like another commentator said, there isn’t a woman in the world who looks better without make up.
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There certainly ARE women who look better without makeup. I wear a bit of makeup every day and after 15 years of that, I no longer have the confidence to leave the house without it. I ENVY the women who can look great without it.
Saying all women look better with makeup is like saying no woman’s face is good enough without it… and that’s simply not true.
Make an effort: wash your face, brush your teeth and do your hair. Nothing more than that should be mandatory because you’d never ask a man to do more than that.
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I disagree and stand by my statement that no woman in the world looks better without a bit of make up. If Angelina Jolie, Jessica Alba an Miranda Cerr don’t, then who on earth does?
However, that doesn’t mean that no woman’s face is good enough without it, I never suggested that. I wear make up but have no trouble going out without it and couldn’t care less who sees me without it. I am not hidious without it, I just look a bit nicer with it, that’s all I was arguing.
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I meant *Kerr*
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I really resent the expectation that women need to wear make up to look professional or that they have made an effort. The sam expectations are not placed on men. Yes, they are often expected to be clean shaven, but no one expects them to paint their face as if to suggest that the one they have is not up to scratch. I work in a boutique recruitment company and I never wear make up (not at the interview and not now), its not a big deal when you never wear it because then people realise your face is just fine the way it is! Having said that, if you still make the effort to dress professionally (as I do) then this diminishes the focus on whether or not you wear make up.
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I never wear makeup and never have. I’ve had no problems. And I really don’t think I’d want to work somewhere that would want me to. It doesn’t make me scruffy, I just don’t feel a need to slap on warpaint every day. Everything else is neat and tidy, I don’t need makeup.
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‘Slap on war paint’ I love it!!
Especially given that due to growing up with a mother that never wore make up and then following suit, when I do occasionally try and apply it for for the odd wedding, I feel like I’m going into battle to come out ok the other end
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LOL it feels so weird, doesn’t it? I hate it and the few times I’ve bothered, I’m really conscious of it and it hampers my good time! The only time I have ever advocated someone needing makeup was my sister at her wedding. She has almost invisible lips in photos, so I said lippy for photos.
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It bothers me that no one dresses up any more. I admit that I dress up more than the average person because I like to look good and I dress in a sort of 50s, lipstick and dresses type way.
But my boyfriend and I went out for quite a nice dinner a few weeks ago ($40 mains) and the couple at the table next to us were wearing tracksuit pants.
It’s like no one can be bothered making the effort to present themselves in a nice way. And I don’t know why, because I know that when I’m looking good, I feel much better.
I came to a realisation a few weeks ago that my boyfriend had scarcely seen me in anything else but pyjamas and gym clothes for weeks (I get up early for work and leave before he sees me and I go straight to gym from work) so I came out one night while cooking dinner in a dress, heels and red lipstick like June Cleaver! He laughed but it’s important to make an effort.
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But who’s to judge “nice”? What you consider “nice” might seem pretentious to other people, or conservative. (I’m not saying that’s what you are…you probably looked great!)
I like individuality. I just think it’s wrong to project your own personal expectations onto other people. I’m happy with people wearing anything they like so long as it’s clean, but maybe I’m being prejudiced against smelly, unwashed people….
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John, obviously everyone’s style is different and I agree to some extent that we can’t judge what’s “nice” but I think we can all agree that trackie pants, baggy jeans and thongs are not nice, specially if you are going to the opera. They may be comfortable and perfectly acceptable at the gym or the beach, but they are not “nice.”
Also, I agree with the others who have said that this is an Australian thing. When did we become so obsessed about appearing down to earth that we now consider dressing up to be pretentious? What is pretentious about putting some effort into your appearance? I used to live in Europe where everyone is groomed and polished and found it quite surprising how many women in Aus proudly boast that they couldn’t care less what they look like. It’s all about “I refuse to wear make up because I’ve got better things to do, I don’t care that I’m a size 20 cause curves are hot etc.”
It’s a shame that we live in a country where dressing up and taking pride in your appearance is viewed as being negative.
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I hate that too. I went to the opera a few weeks ago and was shocked by how people were dressed. I don’t expect people to wear tux’s and gowns, but 80% of the people were wearing jeans, t-shirts, jumpers, runners…it’s not that hard to make a little effort and put on a nice shirt or dress. A big part of the reason people go to an exxy restaurant, or to an event like the opera is the atmosphere. Which is ruined when everyone around you looks like they’re going to McDonalds or a movie.
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Nah, let people wear what they want…the Arts should be for EVERYONE, not just the “beautiful people” so-to-speak…I used to hate going to the Opera when everyone was expected to dress-up…I much prefer today’s relaxed attitude…
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That comment you made about the atmosphere is so right. John, I don’t expect everyone to dress the way I do but I think there should be some difference between the attire you wear to the gym and the attire you wear to a fancy restaurant or the opera.
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The arts should be for everyone, but can’t everyone make an effort? I’ve also been to the Opera in recent times and been so disappointed by the sloppiness of many in the audience. I think it’s such a shame that the culture of getting ‘dressed’ is gone. We don’t all need to look like we’ve stepped out of the pages of Vogue, but putting some effort in wouldn’t go astray. There should be some difference between what we wear to the gym/running errands to going out.
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Like I said, I don’t expect people to dress the way they would have 50 years ago. But if you can afford to go to the opera, or to a nice restaurant, you surely have something better than ratty jeans and dirty sneakers in your closet. A cheap shirt or dress from Kmart will do. Run a comb through your hair. Make sure your shoes are clean.
This really seems to be an Australian thing. When I’ve been to the theatre or opera in America or Europe, everyone makes an effort. Even if that just means making sure a thrift store shirt is perfectly ironed.
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The ‘I can’t afford to look good’ mentality is total rubbish. Many of my clothes are from Target and the outfit I am wearing today cost $48. Very few of my clothes would cost more than $100
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Agreed, I have many designer clothes found in op-shops that cost me less than $10. I always like to dress up (even if it is just getting the kids from kinda) but it would be unusual for me to be wearing an outfit that cost more than $50 including shoes.
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I went to a production of Shakespeare’s Richard III at the Savoy in London dressed in jeans and boots (no sneakers). As a backpacker, are you only meant to get drunk in exotic places, or are you ‘allowed’ to enjoy a bit of culture too? I’m with JJ, the Arts SHOULD be for EVERYONE!
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Just because you’re a backpacker doesn’t mean you can’t buy something from a thrift store or H & M and dress appropriately. I backpacked around Asia and I didn’t rock up to temples in short shorts with the excuse that I was ‘just a backpacker.’
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I never went to temples dressed inappropriately. I always respected the religious beliefs of the places that I visited. I was neat, tidy and respectable wherever I went – and that is achievable without having to ‘dress-up’. And really, were you so unprepared for visiting temples in Asia that you had buy clothes over there? Or did you utilise what you had to your best ability?
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would also just like to add that my travels extended through Europe to the Middle East, Africa and Asia, and that I have also visited North America, so I do have an understanding of respecting different cultures and religions. I also find extrapolating a comment about London theatre to Asian temples a little ridiculus.
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My point is that dressing up for the theatre is custom in Western cultures just as covering yourself to visit temples is custom. I don’t think you get to throw your hands up in the air just because you’re a backpacker. And I had clothes on me to wear to temples just as if I visited London, I would have something appropriate to wear to the theatre.
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Jess, I think we need to agree to disagree. Religion and theatre are different, and customs are fine – but whose? When the play I attended was originally written, the aristocracy would have sat in the balconies, and the great washed or unwashed masses would have thronged the central floor area below in their everyday clothes. Having “to dress” is a pretension from a later era such as the Georgian but definitely in full swing by the Regency and the Victorian eras. I live in C21 which affords me many more freedoms than previous eras – including choice on how to dress. You are entitled to have some fun and “dress up”. I am entitled to believe that being clean, tidy and respectable is sufficient to attend a play. What is “appropriate” can be very subjective!
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Agreed! I’ll go further.
Dressing well (meaning simply making an effort in whatever way you like to) can have a direct link to confidence and shows respect for both the event you’re attending, and for yourself.
At times in my life I haven’t been able to afford nice clothes, it has affected my self-confidence and my demeanour. You try going to Sydney Uni as a girl from the western suburbs and sitting next to the North Shore girls in their designer jeans when you can’t afford them!
To me it’s a bit of a middle class pretension to say taking care with your appearance doesn’t matter. It certainly matters to you when financially you can’t!
My great-granddad was a working class man who would never even go to the bottle shop for his daily beer purchase without a starched shirt and shined shoes. For him, it was about holding his head high and being as good as anyone else, even as an unemployed carpenter during the Depression.
It was about self-respect.
As for inappropriate clothes? Overdressed is embarrassing, under-dressed suggests you don’t care, too sexy either implies vanity, or an inability to understand social mores and what’s appropriate. None are a good impression to leave.
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I just came back from Paris, and one of the things I was inpsired by was their sense of style – all the time, not just for work. They dress nicely to go and grab a coffee. Or go to the markets. Or whatever takes them out of the house.
While I will never do that all the time, it did motivate me to make more of an effort, even if it’s just a bit of lipstick.
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My husband and I spent 9 days in Paris for part of our honeymoon last year and noticed that as well, Belinda. It was actually quite refreshing – especially we’d just come from a warm spring at home and we’d been to a few dinners out to very nice restaurants where guys were wearing jeans with thongs.
There’s a time and place for everything, and I think certain social situations require a bit more effort than thongs.
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I get so cross when I go to a function that has a ‘formal’ or ‘ black tie’ dress code and people wear the most casual stuff. Especially when I go to the trouble of dressing to the dress code and I then I look overdressed and feel self conscious. This has happened 3 times this year, luckily I wore the same long dress to all 3 ‘formal’ events as it made it good value and my husband wore a tuxedo….yet there were men there not even wearing a tie and women wearing casual dresses. There is no excuse not to get it right, you can google what a formal dress code is and every op shop has something appropriate thats cheap.
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A few years ago, Stephen Speilberg’s wife Kate Capshaw rocked up to the Vanity Fair Oscar after-party wearing jeans. BIIIIG mistake. She was pilloried for taking the glam down a few notches and for being disrespectful to the organizers.
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I’m in my early 20s and I have definitely seen a change in the way young people dress. Nowadays when I see school girls I am always shocked at how short their uniforms are. Back in my school days the best you could get away with was above your knees. Today they are barely scraping arse level and I wonder if their parents are fine with how their children leave the house every morning.
I think showing skin is all relative. I’m quite short and flat-chested so I often feel that I can get away with showing a bit more skin than some of my taller, bustier friends.
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It’s always depended on the school. 25 years ago my friends I got away with chopping inches off our already mini miniskirts and knotting our shirts to show off our midriffs.
There are still plenty of schools with strict rules on uniforms. I feel so sorry for the kids I see on boiling summer days wearing knee socks, long pleated wool skirts and blazers.
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I could not agree more Justine! I wrote a blog post a little while ago about dressing appropriately for the workplace (at the request of a friend who had an inappropriate dresser in her office).
It was my only blog post where I ever got someone being a cyber-bully! They completely missed the point of what I was trying to say (exactly what you are saying) and accused me of being a prude and behind the times, and being really mean and nasty about what I had said – so much so, they tried to post the comments several times because it was being blocked by moderation).
The positive thing that came out of it was that EVERYONE else who reads my blog, came to my defence, and agreed with what I had said. There is a level of appropriateness that needs to be adhered to in an office environment. For EVERYONE’S sanity and respect.
I’ve written a few posts on my blog about dressing for the workplace….
http://www.chasingcait.com.au if anyone wants to check it out
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Well girls can wear whatever they like, but inside the work place there are standards of dress that we should all adhere to. Depending on where you work – a cafe is going to be different to an office. But I imagine the general rules of no extremely low cut tops or really high skirts is universal. Just like no short shorts or singlets would be pretty universal for men.
But you can still be sexy without showing off the goodies. As long as your boobs aren’t exposed and you can bend over in your skirt without things getting awkward, then the sky is the limit fashion-wise.
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As I get older I’ve started noticing more women not dressing to suit their body shape. That’s something I love about growing up, becoming more aware of what flatters my figure and what I should stay clear of!
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