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by REBECCA SPARROW

I have no clever or impressive way to open this column. And nor should I.

Jacintha Saldanha is dead and – it’s fair to say – the news of the British nurse’s suicide in the wake of a meaningless radio prank – has broken all our hearts.  In Australia we woke yesterday morning to the news and it made us shudder. The tragedy – that a woman potentially felt so humiliated by a inane prank phone call that she would take her life because of it – left us devastated. And speechless.

Well temporarily speechless, at least.

Because after the shock wore off, almost instantly the recriminations began.

We blamed the radio hosts for being so completely thoughtless and juvenile to do such a disrespectful prank in the first place.

We blamed the hospital for not having better protocols in place when it comes to access to the Royal family.

nurse prank The Radio Prank Tragedy: This is the lesson we must take from itWe blamed the radio station producers and management and even the network owners for airing a pre-recorded segment that had clearly gone too far (since the second nurse did end up giving away private details of the Duchess of Cambridge’s condition).

But I think all this finger pointing misses the point.  As the blame shifts like fetid smoke, there is a bigger, more important lesson to be taken from Jacintha’s tragic death and it’s this: Nothing ruins your life forever.

And it’s a message – more than ever – we need to drill into our nieces and nephews, our children, the teens in our lives and frankly, ourselves.

It goes without saying that I don’t know Jacintha’s story. None of us do yet. Perhaps in time we might. Currently we do not know her mental health history (I am not suggesting for a moment that Jacintha was mentally ill), the degree of humiliation she felt from the stunt, whether her death was a cry for help or a determined attempt to take her life. It matters little. A husband has lost his wife. Two children have lost their mother. No amount of speculation is going to change the unbearably sad outcome.

But here’s what we do know, there is nothing any of us can do to protect ourselves from humiliation and embarrassment, from heartbreak and disappointment and devastation.

Would it be prudent for radio stations everywhere to rethink their culture of  ‘Gotcha calls’ and stunts? Yes, of course. (Let’s face it, prank calls are purely designed to leave someone looking stupid. And today, thanks to social media, that humiliation can go global within minutes).

But banning prank calls is probably not the answer. Not really. The real answer is teaching ourselves, our children, our students, our nieces and nephews to be resilient. To build up our emotional armour.

Because the real truth is this: Life can be wonderful and joyous and thrilling but it can also be unspeakably awful at times. The third guarantee in life after death and taxes is that there will be at least one moment in your life when you don’t think you can possibly survive the pain you feel. There will be a time or times, when life feels inescapably bleak.

[NOTE: If you are ever in a situation where you are considering suicide, please call Lifeline on 131 114. You can also visit the Lifeline website here and the Beyond Blue website here.]

An email of complaint you thought was private gets forwarded by a company to hundreds or thousands of people.  A wardrobe malfunction sees photos of your nipples making the rounds of the internet. You discover your long-term partner has been having an affair. Rumours snake through your workplace about a drunken night with your supervisor. You gain a reputation – deserved or not – for something you did at your university college O Week. You lose a loved one. An ex Facebooks naked photos of you in an act of revenge. You lose your job.

I could, quite easily, keep going.

I’ve been there myself many, many times. I’ve been dumped as a newspaper columnist three times in my career.  I’ve lost a child. I’ve embarrassed myself in front of thousands of people.  I’ve had bad reviews of my books.  And bad reviews of plays based on my books. And in 2010 I humiliated myself on statewide radio when during a celebrity NRL  tipping competition I oh-so-confidently proclaimed, “I’d never tip the Broncos. I can’t stand that Brendon Fevola”.  It was at that point the host gently pointed out that I had the wrong, er, code.  But the humiliation I felt was epic.  I was teased by friends and colleagues for months.

We’ve all been there – or we’ll go there in the future. As will every person we love.  And at the time – whatever the cause of your pain – all you want to do is camp out in your bedroom and eat Milo from the tin. To not see anyone. To just disappear. When life goes dark, you become convinced it will be that way indefinitely. And when you have humiliated yourself, you feel that this event will haunt you forever.

But it won’t.

Because nothing ruins your life forever.

Pain dissipates. Hearts heal.  New opportunities cross your path. And when it comes to gossip and scandal, people move on. Mostly because we live in a 24 hour news cycle and you can guarantee that someone else will do something stupid (or have something stupid done to them) and the world will quickly forget you and your story. And so it goes.

If you have a family who love you or a tribe of friends who adore you or even just one great friend you can count on  … you can survive anything. Anything. There are counsellers and help lines you can call.  And there is time, which when it comes to tragedy and humiliation, is always on your side.

Yes, you have a digital footprint. Yes, we all need to be careful.

But not matter how badly you screw up, no matter how embarrassed you feel about something, no matter how bleak life seems  … nothing ruins your life forever.  There is always light ahead. I know that from repeated personal experience.

For Jacintha, it’s a message we all dearly wish we could have whispered to her in person with a hug and a squeeze of her hand. To say, “You will get through this, Jacintha. We promise, it will pass.”  It is an absolute tragedy that this dedicated nurse and mother of two, was left feeling like her situation was helpless.

But for those two Australian radio hosts, it’s a message I hope they too take on-board as they deal with the fall-out from a silly prank turned tragic.  Tomorrow is another day.  You will survive this.

Nothing ruins your life forever.

If this post brings up issues for you, or you just need someone to talk to, please call Lifeline on 131 114. You can also visit the Lifeline website here and the Beyond Blue website here.

 NOTE FROM BEC:  I want to make it very clear that this post is not about blaming Jacintha, expecting people who are mentally ill to just “buck up” or implying that Jacintha wasn’t resilient enough. None of us know the facts nor what Jacintha was living through last week. My concern now is for the thousands of vulnerable people (particularly teenagers) who are absorbing this story. The message for all of us is that no matter how bleak and painful life seems, things can and do get better.  Nothing is worth taking your life. And there is always someone ready to listen – be that a friend, a teacher, a colleague or an anonymous counsellor on the other end of a phone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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244 Comments so far

  1. Pharmc897

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  2. KS

    Another insightful, thought-provoking and compassionate piece of writing from you Bec. Bravo, and thank you xx

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  3. kate in wellington

    awesome post and great message too

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  4. Lila

    Isn’t it really about society? How we think it is ok for someone to derive pleasure at the expense of another. And if so, where is it ok to draw the line?
    “At the expense of another”. It means that someone gains through another’s loss. Be it a good feeling at the expense of someone’s self esteem, or personal wealth gain at the expense of slave labor…..the list goes on – (you can put the banking institutions in there too).
    If anyone is to blame it is all of us who contribute to making an uncaring society. The more important question is ‘what is the alternative?’
    The state of the planet, and our level of globalization is boomeranging back to us the consequences of a world based on ‘personal gain at the expense of another’. We must at least try to be mindful and caring of the whole, and teach that to our children. They need to be rewarded by society for a caring attitude rather than for ‘getting the most by ripping off the helpless’.

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  5. Niconic

    God, you write so utterly beautifully, Bec.

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  7. Kirsten

    So perfectly said. None of us exists in a vacuum. Just as we need to be aware of how things we say and do affect those around us (in intended and unintended ways), neither are we ever as alone as we sometimes feel.

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  8. Andy

    I still think that “don’t screw around with other people’s lives for the sake of your own fifteen minutes of fame (and fortune)” is a pretty important message.

    I was horrified by this stunt when I saw it being discussed on morning TV, on Friday, as a victimless prank. How could anyone not see there was a victim and that, at the very least, she was going to have an incredibly bad day because someone on the other side of the world decided she was a perfect subject for ridicule?

    She wasn’t a royal or a politician or a Hollywood star. She wasn’t going to profit from this stunt. She didn’t even know she was participating in a joke. She was a private person doing her job. And while I realise you’re not saying she should have just laughed it off, it appears management at 2DayFm thought she should – if they considered her at all before Saturday’s headlines broke.

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    • Sarah

      Yep — agree. Even when they were first playing the prank call on Sydney ABC radio (which for some reason Adam Spencer saw fit to do repeatedly on Friday morning, all along tut tutting it), I was thinking “this is not something I want to hear” and knowing the nirses would be in deep sh&t.

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  9. Sue

    Beautifully written. Thanks. We all need to be resilient

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  10. picardie.girl

    Bec, I love this article so much. Thank you for your eloquence and clarity. At a time when many are losing their heads, you are talking pure sense – it’s a great tonic.

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  11. Bea

    Beautiful piece Bec, I love it.

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  12. megs

    Great piece and a perspective I hadn’t considered Bec.

    I hope that somehow, that madness of this entire heartbreaking situation shines a light on what power the media has to impact people’s lives. And that the media and paps and the general public (because we’re the ones who buy the magazines and click the internet stories) calm down on the Royal Baby, and give the Duchess the space to just be a pregnant woman, without constant surveillance. Probably not likely, but wouldn’t it be nice…

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  13. Andrea

    Beautifully written.

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  14. Anonymous

    i like this article but i think it should have been a separate article about resilience

    not linked to this story

    the lesson from this tragedy – in my opinion, is that we should think about our actions and how it will affect other people. Think about the things we do for fame, popularity, money, power, status etc. Esp in the media.

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  15. Ambercat78

    I find it very sad, that given the consequences of previous media invasion of privacy in William’s family life, that the decision was even made to send the prank to air.

    Beyond insensitive.

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  16. Alex

    It was the Australian and British media that gave the ridiculous prank airtime on the first place. It would now appear there is more front page news and airtime from the nurses unfortunate death. It would appear the media has a lot to answer for in this situation. This includes MM.

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  17. Dany

    “Treat others the way, u want to be treated”
    I’m learning this to be true in my own life and with positive outcomes

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  18. another guest

    It shits me that the UK media are all blamey on the Aussie media when they are the worst in the world for phone tapping, stalking etc.

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    • Petal

      Totally agree. Who are the British media to condemn these DJs? They themselves are no role model on ethics.

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  19. mel

    Firstly, as someone who was in and out of hospital for hyperemesis gravidarum during my last pregnacy, I don’t understand why Kate was even in hospital Surely she could have been cared for at home by a private nurse. All they can do is hook you up to a drip to rehydrate and give you antinausea meds through an iv. This could have been done at home and kept her pregnancy private for a few more weeks. Secondly the fact that anyone even believed the call and that the queen would ring herself is astounding. Thirdly, that the hospital had no protocol in place for calls is just crazy. Imagine when she is in labour. I’m sure there will be reporters who will try anything to get info and be the first to report the baby’s sex. The radio prank was stupid but clearly a joke. Britain should be looking at the hospital protocol with regard to patient privacy. I wouldn’t want my husband’s grandmother given personal information without my permission so even if the Queen had rung, why would she be given info without Kate’s ok anyway? They should also be looking at how the nurses involved were treated by the hospital. Before the suicide none of us knew who those involved even were. There was outrage at the hospital-not the nurses. How harshly were these nurses being reprimanded by the hospital for one to take her life? Now there is talk of the police being involved. This is crazy. From the country that made Sacha Barron Cohen famous by making people look stupid and fooling them by pretending to be someone really shouldn’t be so disgusted with the DJ’s. Prank calls are stupid but common on all radio stations -even Hamish and Andy. Giving out patient info over the phone by the hospital is what is more outrageous.

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    • Kris2040

      Maybe, because it’s private, that wasn’t all she was in hospital for?

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    • Anon

      You weren’t pregnant with the baby who will become the monarch.

      Your mother in law isn’t Queen Elizabeth II

      Apart from that, there are questions for the hospital to answer regarding their privacy protocols. However, do you know if they had been told that the queen and/or Prince Charles would call? I doubt it.

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      • Nad

        It doesn’t matter who the caller is, the queen, the prime minister or a celebrity.
        Information is NEVER given out over the phone. It’s even more important when the patient is a famous.

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    • Rebecca

      It is the hospitals protocol to not give info out over the phone. This woman made a mistake that the radio station was more than happy to fully capitalise on

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    • Andy

      “Giving out patient info over the phone by the hospital is what is more outrageous.”

      The station prerecorded the prank and chose to put it to air knowing how far the call had gone.

      All the “after-the-fact” assessment of how the hospital or media or anyone else responded does not absolve the perpetrators from the fact they carried it out. Blaming a failure of hospital protocol for the “success” of the stunt is akin to blaming victims of robbery for not having good enough locks.

      And “everyone else does it” is not much of a defence for willful stupidity.

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  20. Molly M

    Oh Bec, so beautifully written as always. x

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  21. chillax

    Are people missing something here?
    If the hospital had a receptionist on duty overnight who could actually adequately screen all calls, as all professional receptionists do, this call would have never made it past the front desk and the nursing staff would have never been placed in that position in the first place.
    Yes the DJs did the wrong thing, however the hospital and its lack of adequate staffing allowed it to happen.

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    • chillax

      In my first job years ago, I had to do relief reception while our receptionist had lunch and did the mail. We had a list of responses to certain questions. Calls were never allowed to be put through to certain people without adequately verifying who they were. And even then we often took details and had the call returned.
      This is what should be happening there.

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  22. kate

    wow……beautifully written, thank you xxx

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  23. Anonymous

    For the many people that have miscarried pregnancies before the 12 week period is up, know that this can be a really hold your breath time for expec tant parents. It is a NO GO area. That is why most people wait for this time to pass before sayin g anything. As with Kate and William. The radio station involved should have had more respect for the newly pregant couple.

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  24. Anonymous

    In regards to who “fault” it is: obviously the narrow minded people will start pointing their fingers to the radio station 1st – but here’s the thing: why would a nurse (mother of 2) kill herself over a prank call!

    Pardon my language or if i go overboard but it’s how i roll:::
    - I believe there are other forces (many other forces at work) here: alot of things could of happened in between the call and death… and if it’s going to be a blaming game and who should be judged – I’d like to suggest a few suspicions (some assumption with no evidence obviously):

    Maybe it’s the overly sensitive people who threatened her over a mistake (over the phone, facebook?) – very possible due to the power of media today?
    Maybe the stress and pressure and power of the media had an effect ?!?
    Maybe she was going through something we don’t know her life story right ???
    Maybe the hospital that told her off for her mistake – who know what they could of said after all it is the princes (so i guess its a “big”deal) maybe threaten her job or something?
    How do we know it was suicide after all you weren’t there to judge for yourself – maybe someone killed her, could be a biiig cover-up anyone with money can do this (even the royals – anything’s possible?) ???

    So once again who’s to blame right now – so many factors that could have caused this: stess, pressure, media, cover-ups, royals, life, retarded people, job related
    And don’t start judging me due to my language , punctuation. I also too feel sorry for her…

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    • Kris2040

      Maybe if those idiots at the radio station hadn’t done the prank call, she’d still be alive?

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      • Lisa Jensen

        Maybe if Kate hadn’t married William they wouldn’t have been at the hospital in the first place? Maybe if we didn’t live in a celebrity obsessed society it wouldn’t have gone viral? Maybe if the internet was never created it wouldn’t have gained as much attention? How far back do you want to go with this?

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        • Andy

          “How far back do you want to go with this?”

          To the perpetrators of the idiocy that possibly led to it. The radio station.

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    • Anonymous

      Without wanting to sound racist, maybe it was a culture thing, as in she brought shame on the family. Isn’t that still a big thing in many non-caucasian cultures?

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      • Nice Boulder

        It has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with humanity.

        Bec, I agree that people need to develop resiliency but let’s face it – some people are always going to be more sensitive to criticism, humilation etc. than others. It’s part of being a unique human.

        Instead of pointing the finger at the hosts, the hospital, the British media – why don’t we stop for a minute and look at the core issue here – two humans (for whatever specific reason) performed an act that was unkind and unneccessary. As a result, another human was emotionally damaged and lacked the adequate mental fortitude to withstand the shame, humilation and embarrassement resulting in her ultimately choosing to die rather than experience those emotions any more. Are we to blame the woman for that? Or are we to look at the behaviour of the first two humans and say, “That’s not acceptable behaviour and it has directly contributed to the death of another human being and the ruination of the lives of many others connected to her”.

        Unkind and unneccessary. Why can’t we evolve and realise that we have a responsibility to each other that includes a “do no harm” morality?

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    • Anonymous

      “He was already on the edge of the cliff, your honour. I just pushed him”.

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  25. Anonymous

    i remember thinking that prank phone calls were funny when i was 12… i made them with my friends when we were bored. it is really sad to think how infantile popular culture is.
    this is no individual’s fault… but it should prompt, although it isn’t going to, a long hard look in the mirror on a really broad social level.

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  26. Chopsinc

    Thank you for writing this article! Valuable, meaningful reading.

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  27. Amandarose

    I find this need to apportion blame for everything troubling- part of our compensation / pain has a price society.
    It isn’t terribly helpful is it?
    Things happen in life we wish we could undo and look at with fresh eyes but we can’t.
    A chain of events happened and it ended in tragedy – All we can do is be kind to everyone involved and learn from it.

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    • Anonymous

      So do we get rid of the entire justice system?

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  28. jem

    You are so right “nothing does ruin your life forever” you do somehow manage to smile again thats the wonder of life. This story however theyre are no winners. Im sad for Jacintas family its just a tragic situation. I also feel for the DJs although they were skylarking and being smart arses about this prank i bet you they never wanted this to happen!! Who in theyre right mind would.

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  29. Awesome article

    Great article thank you I’m going to have that conversation with my two teenage boys tomorrow .

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  30. Punkernickle

    My rational self agrees with you Bec, but my emotional self is on a bit of a rampage.

    Frankly, I want the DJs and the management of the radio station to feel bad. I want them to feel for every single person who has been on the end of a prank call and felt humiliated. I want them to remember this feeling for the rest of their lives. I want them to make better choices because of it.

    I can’t claim to have been a regular listener anyway, but today, I removed all Austereo stations from my presets. Enough.

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    • Mel_89

      I agree but I don’t think anymore blame needs to be placed on the radio hosts; most people in their position would feel absolutely horrific and I bet they’re constantly running over the events in their head. This is something they will live with forever.

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      • Punkernickle

        Yes, they will, and I hope it governs their future decisions.

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      • cool beans

        They’ve been making deals. They’ve already sold their story. Shameful behaviour.

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        • Punkernickle

          I don’t know whether they were paid for it, but I’m certainly not surprised they’re doing it.

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    • bec

      What would make you think that the radio staff involved don’t feel exactly as you “want” them to feel. But be careful what you wish for, there was probably someone who “wanted” that nurse to feel bad for her mistake too, and look how that ended up.
      Personally I think the only lesson we need to learn from this whole incident is the one the author has written so well.

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      • Punkernickle

        I don’t need you to point that out, bec. I’m already at war with myself on it. I’ve already said that I agree with this article.

        It doesn’t change the way I feel, though. As much as I’d like to, I can’t seem to feel like a decent, rational human being on this one. The way I see it, these two people have caused so many other people emotional distress, and now they are suffering.

        Let them.

        Maybe this was my final straw in a year which has really seen some of the worst behaviour from public figures including so many radio hosts, but I seem to have run out of humanity for people like this.

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    • Sarah

      I honestly do not think that a reasonable person could have predicted this outcome so I cannot agree that the radio station is responsible and I think it is particularly unfair to blame the hosts. They will be feeling terrible anyway and they had no way of predicting what would happen. I agree that their stunt was mindless and stupid but they cannot be fully responsible for her actions. I think we should look more closely at our need to blame someone in situations like this. We should be showing sympathy for all concerned and ideally talkng notes on how not to bully and humiliate others.

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      • Punkernickle

        I honestly don’t think that a reasonable person would have made this call in the first place, and hosts and management alike should be held accountable.

        As they kept saying in their own defense in their current affairs interviews this evening, no, there is no way they could have predicted this particular tragic event.

        I think if they can gloat and accept responsibility for the ‘success’ of this prank – and they did – then they can be held accountable for the chain of events it caused.

        And I think we should look more closely on WHY situations like this even occur. What is wrong with our society that THIS is a preferred form of humour? Are people not clever and civilised enough to understand anything better?

        I have no forgiveness or understanding left for these two because I have given it all away already in similar situations, and because in this case, somebody died. While there is no way they could have known their prank would result in death, they – and by “they” I do include the entire team responsible, not just the DJs – did have choices both during the call and then again in broadcasting it.

        Their choices have brought them here.

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  31. Anonymous

    I am so outraged and upset by this dismissive article. First of all to call the prank ‘meaningless’- well maybe it’s meaningless to you & everyone else, but perhaps not to the victim! And the examples of humiliation are not even on par with what Jacintha must have gone through! To go through public, worldwide humiliation cannot compare with being “dumped as a newspaper columnist three times” or “bad reviews”. Are they awful? Yes. Did they cause you pain? Yes. Can I sympathise with your pain? Yes. Humiliating on a public worldwide scale? Not so much.

    “But banning prank calls is probably not the answer. Not really.” Umm.. yes it is the answer. While pranks can be funny for the pranksters, they can be devastating for the victims! Apprenticeships used to be rife with pranks – some ended badly for the victims. Hence, why there are now laws against them!

    Before performing a ‘meaningless’ prank, think about how you would feel if you were the victim of the prank. Then think about how you would feel if it was made public on a worldwide scale and millions of people were telling you that you are a gullible fool.

    Don’t blame the victim for not having enough resilience. Don’t perform the prank in the first place! It doesn’t matter if it’s funny, meaningless and inane to you. To the victim it may not be that way and whether or not there were other mental issues at play or that Jacintha did not have resilience is not the issue!

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    • Jo

      Exactly. The number one lesson from this whole saga should be compassion and respect.

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    • Anon

      If you read the article properly, Bec not only said “bad reviews” she has lost a child. I think she is an amazing woman to write this article and many others. I know myself, that is something that I think does last forever and she would know what it’s like to be on the brink better than anyone I know! I don’t know this woman’s mental state and yes, it is devastating that there is a life lost over this, however, I know I would rather be the victim of a prank call then loose a child! Think Bec knows pain better then most people!

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      • Anonymous

        true. But you have to consider this woman’s mental state (was she already depressed, suffering from anxiety etc), protective factors (family, friends etc) and level of reslience (easily emotional and affected by humiliation, failure etc) in this context. You can’t compare one person’s experience and pain to another. It doesn’t work that way. Everyone is in a different situation in a particularly point in time, so comparing this women’s situation with Bec’s loss is not fair.

        Yes with supportive famil

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  32. Heather

    I am at a loss to understand how some people think that a sick pregnant women, and the staff caring for her, is an open market for such an appauling “prank”. It never fails to alarm me at the lack of emotional intellegence of people in the media. Shame.. shame to the DJ’s. An apology now is a little too late and is inappropriate.

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    • Anonymous

      They’re too busy setting up deals to sell their story. Actually the deals already done according to the news report. Yes, very shameful behaviour.

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  33. Anonymous

    If only we all had such good family and friends that could support us and love us unconditionally at a desperate time of need…
    If only we could all find the courage to call and speak to counsellors…
    If only after such bad horrific experiences life always gets better…
    Sometimes it doesn’t and sometimes you don’t have the support to get you through.
    And sometimes the loss, loneliness and feelings of helplessness are so unbearable…
    Everyone experiences anxiety differently.
    It’s not an easy topic and there are no easy answers. It doesn’t always get better for everyone. Not everyone can get help. Another way of thinking about things is – let’s think about the consequences of our actions. Let’s be compassionate. Let’s stop being selfish.

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  34. Lisa Jensen

    THANK YOU for writing this Bec! I have been arguing with people all weekend that instead of demonising the DJ’s involved and pointing fingers (which, ironically, is pretty much doing exactly what they are criticising the radio hosts involved for doing – not anticipating the consequences their words and actions have on others) we should be trying to use this to open a dialogue about how to identify when you (or someone you know) is not coping and needs help (for whatever reason) and where to look to seek the assistance you need. We need to be talking about how something we deem funny, whether it be a prank or making a nasty comment to someone in front of others, could impact that person and end up being the straw that literally breaks the camels back. And we need to be providing EVERYONE involved – from the radio hosts, to the producer who decided to air it, to the nurses work mates and friends – with support and understanding.

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    • Anonymous

      Maybe the radio hosts involved can give a portion of their fees they have made for their story ( just heard it on the news), and give it to the family of the deceased nurse.

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      • Lisa Jensen

        The hosts involved have not sold their stories.

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        • coll beans

          Yes they have. it was on the news last night. Even the news presenter said this won’t go down well with the public.

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  35. Janette

    I hear what you are saying! And it is commendable! But the media that pursues these stories should be thoughtful as well!

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  36. S H

    I totally agree with all you said but I also think it is a reminder to us all everything we do has consequences no matter how small or Unintended , life is a series of consequences , perhaps we can all be more mindfull .

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  37. Anon

    Bec,

    While I’m pleased that you have written this piece, I’d have to say that I’m pretty disappointed with the hypocrisy of Mamamia on this subject.

    It was only a couple of days ago that Mamamia published the interview in all it’s glory, and went to great lengths to say how funny it was.

    Anyone with half a brain could have worked out that the two people who spoke on the phone to the idiot DJ’s were going to cop a flogging from their employers and everyone else for not checking the bonafides of the caller/s.

    Mamamia thought it was hilarious. Now Mamamia is being “respectful” by not allowing the audio to be heard.

    The horse has bolted.

    It was ridiculing behaviour by media outlets (and Mamamia is not alone in this) in splattering the story all over the world and the idiot DJ’s boasting of their achievements that have really annoyed me.

    Not just the DJ’s, and not just Austereo, but every media outlet, and Mamamia is included in this, are responsible in some way for the death of this poor woman.

    To publish a disclaimer such as this (not having a go at Bec here, I’m blaming Mamamia management), smacks of abrogation of responsibility and I’m quite disgusted with it. What Mamamia should be doing is publishing an apology for being so damned insensitive in the first place, and acknowledge some responsibility for the death of this woman.

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  38. Nic

    this is a really thoughtful, excellent article. I especially like the very real examples from your own life.

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  39. Kris2040

    “If you have a family who love you, a tribe of friends who adore you or even just one great friend you can count on … you can survive anything. Anything. There are counsellers and help lines you can call.”

    Yes. IF you have all that, and can manage to get yourself out of the pit. IF.

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    • Kris2040

      And you know what? In my experience with depression, it’s not the people close to you that you reach out to. You just don’t.
      I also agree that comparing bad reviews is nothing compared to what this poor woman has had to go through.

      I also didn’t have a comment published yesterday on the other thread, about how this isn’t bullying. Oh yes it is. As soon as these types of calls are done, it’s bullying – they’re people in the know wielding power over others who don’t have that power. Then playing them on the air? And podcasts that can be shared and accessed anywhere? Not harmless, not meaningless. They’re disgraceful and should be banned.

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      • Vivian

        I don’t even understand your point.

        Okay, so some people are so depressed that they cannot bring themselves to ask for help. And? What? The point Bec is trying to make is to encourage people to REACH OUT. What else is there to say to people? She is trying to say “Hold on. Things can get better.”. Should the message be “Oh, god, you’re like is f*cked, so good luck with that”.

        I would also say that people (like you) “catastrophising’ this prank is part of the problem. It was a stupid prank but at the time no harm was done. Prince Charles had a laugh about it

        Three days ago nobody knew the names of the British nurses who put the calls through and by today the story would have blown over. Of course the nurses involved felt humiliated but in time they would have realised that people had forgotten about it.

        But when the UK media and people like you (and others on this site) keep going on and on about some global humiliation and how her life and career was ruined … it’s a ridiculous over-reaction that compounds the problem that the people involved then do feel that they cannot bounce back from it.

        Finally, I think it’s insulting that you are insinuating Bec is comparing losing a job to being the target of a prank. The woman lost a child … in the scheme of things that pain is lifelong … not a temporary humiliation that the world would quickly forget.

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        • Kris2040

          I think that the suicide of a person who was the target of this prank is a catastrophe.

          I am speaking from experience about my own and others’ depression. You may very well know that you need to ask for help, but the people who are closest to you are the LAST people you want to go to for help.

          I’m pretty sure that if it was you who this had happened to, and saw stories on every news report, newspaper, website… then actually, yeah, it would feel like the world is against you. People in the media learn to cope with this type of scrutiny over time. Regular punters don’t.

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    • Molly M

      In understand your point, but I agree with Bec that it is so, so important that we send a strong message, to teenagers in particular, that they CAN get out of the pit. Even if they don’t have supportive relationships, there are help lines and support programs. This is such an important message, as suicidal thoughts can escalate very, very quicky in teenagers.

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  40. RD

    Sorry Bec but your article doesn’t sit right with me.
    I could understand using a positive life story to highlight your message ‘nothing ruins your life forever’. e.g. someone overcoming suffering and pain to be happy with their life.
    The fact is Jacintha Saldanha is dead and her’s and her families lives are ruined FOREVER.
    I believe you’re not blaming the victim and you are trying to leave a positive message. It is a pity though it’s easier to teach people to be more resilient than it is to teach the world to be more thoughtful and compassionate.

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    • elle

      No one would argue that Jacintha’s death hasn’t had a tremendous impact especially on her family but I don’t think that means their lives are completely ruined! Yes, nothing will ever be the same but there is still hope for a worthwhile life after tragedy.

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      • Kate Hunter

        I agree with you Elle, I think it’s terrible to claim more lives are ‘ruined forever’. Melodramatic, unhelpful and untrue.

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    • Kylie

      My thoughts exactly!

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  41. Kate

    I sometimes feel people’s empathy/sympathy in these situations can make things worse.

    I’ve written about this on MM before, but when I was younger my ex’s new girlfriend found (very old) video of us having sex on his computer, dumped him and and put the video online on one of those websites where women name and shame ex boyfriends. It was one of, if not the first time that had happened and it basically went viral. To this day it will come up if you google me. Now I didn’t particularly give a damn about people seeing the video. I wasn’t happy about it but I certainly wasn’t ashamed or embarrassed either.

    What brought me to the brink of suicide was the well-meaning comments by friends, family, colleagues and acquaintances. People just kept harping on about how humiliated I must be, what an obstacle it was going to be and so on. I’d been ready and willing to laugh it off, but everyone around me convinced me it was a life-altering, world-shattering thing. They convinced me no one would hire me when the first thing that came up in google was a sex tape. They kept saying how hard it would be to meet a good guy now, how tough it would be to gain people’s respect. No one was trying to be mean, I think they thought they were being understanding, but it was their comments that utterly wrecked me, not the video.

    Given my experience I can’t help but feel that the reaction to this prank made things so much worse than they had to be. Reading the comments here and elsewhere it was all “oh those poor nurses, they must feel so stupid”, “why did no one think about how this would affect the nurses careers”, “they’ll never live this down” etc. etc., when in reality it wasn’t such a big deal. It got media attention because it was the first reportable thing after the announcement by the royals. If not for this tragedy it would have been well and truly forgotten as soon as Kate left the hospital. The nurses jobs were never in any sort of danger. Even if the hospital wanted to take action, there’s no way in hell the Royals PR machine would let a well-meaning, naive nurse be fired in the lead-up to Christmas. It would be an absolute PR nightmare.

    I think many times in our rush to condemn someone’s bad or simply ill thought out behavior we make too big a deal of what are actually relatively minor things. In thinking we are defending or empathizing with someone we’re actually just piling on, making things far worse.

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    • Guest

      Well said. I actually remember your post about it a while ago because it changed my perspective entirely (having never met anyone who has gone through such a thing).

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    • siobhanc

      This is a really interesting perspective, and you’ve made some excellent points. Thanks for sharing your story.

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    • Amandarose

      I feel the same about sexual abuse. the shame comes from everyone telling your life is ruined, treat you like the worst thing possible has happened to you, that your world, sex life and future and completley ruined. Pity is a terrible thing when voiced out loud.

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    • Kate Hunter

      I thought this was such an important contribution Kate, thanks for making it. I’m disturbed by all the hysterical statements that Jacintha’s children’s lives are ‘ruined forever’. As if they have no hope of happiness, ever. Yes, my family, like many, has been touched by suicide. Also, a schoolfriend’s mum took her own life when we were 9. My friend’s life was forever altered and immeasurably sadder, but it was not ruined. School life was happy and she has lots of friends and a great career as a teacher. She has four fabulous kids. Perhaps my friend is the exception. I hope not, but she’s proof that a ‘ruined life’ is not an automatic consequence of losing a parent by suicide.

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      • CJ

        I remplied to this earlier but it was from my phone and disappeared… at least I think that happened as I don’t think it broke any rules!

        Anyway, I wanted to agree with Kate Hunter that suicide doesn’t have to mean the family’s lives are ruined forever. I know someone who has turned it into something positive:

        My mum’s cousin comitted suicide when her two kids were in their late teens. Her daugher (my second cousin, I think – must check on a previous post) is now in her early 40s and has a family of her own, has made a career (well, several) from her creative skills, has been a teacher and inspired many people to follow their dreams, has exhibited her work all over the UK and beyond and is now running a successful craft-based business which helps people to make their creative ideas a reality. By all accounts she is leading a positive, happy life, perhaps prescisely BECAUSE of what happened to her mum, – life is too short and all that. She’s certainly an inspiration to me.

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    • CJ

      I agree with you Kate and Vivian (a couple of comments above who talks about people ‘catastrophising’ issues like this.
      I was badly bullied at high school, for various things – appearance, shy personality etc, but there was one particular chant which followed me everywhere (still too painful to go into details), kids my age, two years older and two years younger taunted me with it. My dad made things worse by going to complain to my teachers in full view of the other kids. My mum had made me scared of the high school experience before I even went there, with tales of her own bullying at the same school and efforts to get me into a private school (which they couldn’t afford in the end) – she expressed openly that she thought I would get crucified at the state school because of my perceived sensitive nature. Naturally I was shit-scared of high school and her predictions came true. By the time I was 13 I would tell mum I was too ill to go to school, she would let me stay home and after a while I didn’t have to lie, she knew why, and every time it happened she bought me a cream cake to cheer me up. Almost every day by the time I was about 15 (I was so ill with worry at that time that I didn’t put weight on, was painfully skinny til my 20s). Around the same age our school introduced a birthday message section for assemblies – you could submit a message to be read out. One day there was a message for one of the worst bullies, supposedly from me but using a nickname that everyone bar the teachers used for me, although my dad had been up the school so often I’m surprised they didn’t twig. When it was read out the entire upper school laughed and ridiculed me. I ran out and straight home to my daily cream doughnut. Found out later that a boy in my year had gone to the head of year expressing concern (never thanked him, not sure how to now as he doesn’t know I know). Problem, in hindsight made much much worse by my parents, in particular my mum turning me into a victim and not teaching me how to deal with things. To this day (I’m 38), I cry at the drop of a hat, I eat cake when I have even a hint of a bad day, even if the first half of the day was good. A row with my husband is the end of the world to me. I’m trying to bring my daughter up differently, she has my husband’s confidence and I hope she stays that way but there’s no way in hell I’ll be letting her be aware if I’m still scared of her going to high school when she gets closer to that time. She doesn’t need me putting fears in her head. As for the humiliation in that assembly, I’ve got past it, but never over it, when I think of it (as rarely as possible), it takes me right back to that scared, lonely young girl I used to be. I don’t recognise that person, I left school, met new people and reinvented myself as a confident young women. I don’t talk to people about that time, my husband doesn’t know details of the bullying or about that incident. Thinking about it makes me feel like a fraud, but the thing is I got past it by NOT dwelling on it, because that only prolonged the humiliation (my mum still feels the need to talk about it sometimes, despite me living on the other side of the world and our phone time being precious – I change the subject, I won’t define myself as a victim of something that happened 25 years ago), yes it’s nasty, but it passes. I’m not that person any more.

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      • pennypacker

        CJ, I’m so sorry about your school years and what you went through.
        I’m glad to hear that you don’t let it affect your daughter by putting unnecessary fears into her. You sound like a fantastic person and a great mum. Best of luck to you and your family. :-)

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        • CJ

          Thank you pennypacker, I am trying my best. I love my family but I find them very negative sometimes (perhaps why I’m better off thousands of miles away) and I’ve been shown a lot of examples of how not to do it!

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  42. Lidia

    This article brings to light the real problem here. This is not about blame or even discrediting the humiliation and emotional turmoil this woman felt- but we need to teach our children/younger generation that you can come back from anything. Nothing is worth your life.

    Well said Rebecca Sparrow!

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  43. Luella

    I make this comment in a very general sense, as I of course, don’t claim to know the mental history of the victim of this incident or the writer of this piece. I completely 100% agree that resilience is a life skill we all need to develop…that the ability to see the light, even in the darkest of times, is a life lesson and emotional skill we should try to instil in ourselves and our children.

    However, I sadly do not agree that everyone experiences the life ‘truth’ described here….that of life ‘being wonderful and joyous and thrilling but also unspeakably awful at times. ” Sadly, this is not a universal truth. For some people, life genuinely is not wonderful and joyous and thrilling experience with some awful parts along the way…many people experience an existence very different to that description of life.

    Perhaps too this extends to why there is a vast difference between a traumatic life experience that causes you to want to ‘camp out in your bedroom and eat Milo from the tin’ and one that causes you to take your life.

    Resilience is certainly necessary. But so too is compassion.

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  44. Roz

    Wow, this is so wisely written! Should, that we all live my ideas such as these!

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  45. Anon

    I think you raised some good points.

    One of my biggest concerns was the fact that the DJs thought it would be funny to find information about a young woman who was very ill in hospital with a pregnancy related condition. So to pursue the prank, knowing very well that Kate was ill, is quite shocking to me. Anyone with sense SHOULD have realised it wasn’t appropriate and Kate should have been given the privacy that any ill pregnant woman is entitled to.

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    • Rebecca

      I agree, is she not entitled to ANY privacy at all? As well as bothering hospital staff, who I’m sure have better things to do

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  46. Sarah

    Perfect article Bec.

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  47. Sarah

    Over 90% of suicides are people who suffer from some kind of mental illness, often depression. What gives these shock jocks the right to haze strangers? How well would you hold up to a tabloid storm? They walked up behind a stranger sitting on the edge of a cliff and gave her a hearty push, pure and simple.

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    • Social worker

      i would strongly dispute the claim that 90% of people who suicide have a mental illness, I work at a Women’s Centre & this is certainly not my experience

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      • Concerned

        I agree with social worker.
        I have known 4 people in my life since teenage years that have commited suicide and only 1 had depression.
        These cannot be correct figures surely?

        People can just reach break point, not take anymore, we are human, they do not have to be suffering a mental illness to commit suicide under extreme conditions.

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        • No name

          In my personal experience the few times I have felt like suicide was not due to never ending depression but a fit passion- sudden feelings of the untolerability of life due to the circumstances at the time. Ie been dumped, just lost my job. a moment of deep humiliation. A moment in time when feeling a moment of sudden despair it seemed like a good idea.
          I would not be surprised if other people reacte like this.

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  48. Edify

    Can people please stop calling this prank “harmless” or “inane”. It clearly wasn’t. What is acceptable and “harmless” in our culture isn’t necessarily to another and clearly, the ramifications in this instance are just so sad. Our country has no right to tell another nor the people involved that they should take a joke or develop thicker skin.
    Even before this sad outcome, I thought it atrocious that they did this, let alone put it to air. No matter who the person is in hospital they have a right to and deserve their privacy.

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    • Forty Cents

      I couldn’t agree with you more Edify. It ceased being a “prank” or “harmless” the minute the call was put through. The horrifying part is it was pre-recorded. So its not like the hosts had seconds to make the call on whether to press the ‘mute’ button or not.

      They had hours to decide. Hours in which they sought their legal counsel, then he/she researched the issue and gave an informed response. (No it wasn’t illegal – immoral and unethical, but not illegal).

      They had hours in which if just one cool head stopped and asked “hmm, will broadcasting this cause distress to the nurses involved?”

      Hours in which they determined “yes it probably will but shit imagine the coverage and ratings!”

      All it would have taken was one person to show a bit of leadership and say ‘no’.

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      • Georgia

        Exactly, HOURS to decide. As in, it was decided that it was harmless enough because none of the information was risky or explosive, it was actually quite funny AND it was decided the prank wasn’t going to hurt anyone.

        Prince Charles said he found the prank hilarious (his statement was made BEFORE the death of the nurse)

        I maintain that you cannot blame the radio hosts for this woman’s death. There is no blood on their hands. It was deemed harmless by legal counsel obviously – and as someone who has studied law, I’d say the chances of a nurse committing suicide from this prank call is reasonably unforeseeable and therefore not their fault.

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        • Me

          I clicked the like button on your comment without meaning to. I actually disagree. They should have realised that broadcasting the prank would have had some sort of repercussions for the nurses involved.

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          • Me two

            I agree Me. If we use Georgia’s law example above of “forseeable consequences” then the fundamental legal test of any action is the “reasonable man”. Could a “resonable man” have forseen this action would have consequences for the innocent party? Abso- bloody – lutely.

            No, I don’t think anyone expected a suicide but any ‘reasonable man’ with half a brain would know it was bound to cause distress.

            For me, that’s where the line in the sand is..

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            • Andy

              Me too.

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        • Edify

          If they deemed it harmless (on the basis that they didn’t need to get permission as it was overseas, not in Australia) then they clearly misjudged the situation.
          You also don’t know how Prince Charles and more importantly the actual patient whose privacy was breeched feel and what is being said in private between the Royal Family and the hospital. It’s concievable that they took a jovial line in public to starve the story of oxygen but behind closed doors, I’m sure they are seething. Just like I would be if my privacy was so publicly breeched.

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          • Andy

            Charles’ view on the matter is irrelevant anyway. His life involves being the butt of worldwide jokes. It goes with the job and he has the tools to deal with it. But he didn’t take the call.

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  49. Anna

    A timely and insightful piece…with an important message.
    I do think you speak for all of us when you offer comfort to the radio hosts – I only hope they can find strength in this time – such an incredibly difficult situation. You never know what others are going through, and the effectiveness of the coping mechanisms they possess.

    Thoughts and prayers with her family.

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  50. Lauren

    I think the idea of teaching resilience is an important one, but as per many of the comments below, I believe it takes away from the bigger issue of teaching that it is NOT ok to laugh and ridicule at other’s expense.

    I don’t understand the reasoning that this outcome could not have been reasonably foreseen or considered. When I first heard the prank I thought, ‘Goodness, those poor nurses’. It immediately made me think of the film ‘Elizabethtown’ where Orlando Bloom’s character comes close to committing suicide after a global humiliation (of his own cause). I thought certainly there would be a good chance they would lose their jobs, and with the current economy in the UK this would have been a terrible prospect so close to Christmas.

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments about TV shows such as Australian Idol, where contestants are ridiculed on national television. It is a terrible practice that encourages viewers to laugh at other’s expense when they are just trying to have a go and follow their dreams. I have to say as well Mamamia, that I’m a little disappointed to see the galleries ’43 Ridiculously Awkward Holiday Photos’ and ‘Awesomely Awkward Photos: 80s Hair Edition’ on ivilliage. I would be mortified if I saw a picture of myself on a gallery like that.

    Yes, nothing ruins your life forever, in theory. But let’s put some more focus on showing compassion and empathy to everyone. Even strangers that do something silly.

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