As you read this, there are secret pedophiles all over Australia – men of all ages in all sorts of jobs – who are squirming with the news that the Government has finally announced a Royal Commission into child sex abuse. The rocks under which these vile men have hidden for so long are about to be lifted.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard has last night announced the Royal Commission, saying the focus of their inquiry will be on institutional responses to claims of sex abuse.
“It’s a vile thing, it’s an evil thing. And it’s done by evil people,” the Prime Minister said. Ms Gillard said there had been a systemic failure in the past to respond to allegations of child sex abuse in Australia and to protect children from it.
Ms Gillard said that the Commission will look into allegations of sexual abuse of children in care of various groups – not just the Catholic Church – but also state care and not for profit organisations. It will also look at the responses of child services agencies to allegations of abuse.
As for how long the Commission’s inquiry will take, Ms Gillard wouldn’t specify whether it would be days, months or years. She said: “It’s not knowable. I anticipate some time and it should take the time necessary.”
The Prime Minister said the terms of reference and commissioners were yet to be decided but would be worked through by relevant Government Ministers. Other types of inquiries are already under way in Victoria and NSW. This commission will not affect those.
So what is a Royal Commission?
By announcing that the Government will hold a royal commission, the Prime Minister is essentially establishing a quasi-court that can look into a specific matter, in this case, child sexual abuse. Unlike a regular court though, a Royal Commission is inquisitorial (i.e. they investigate a matter, like a detective) rather than adversarial (two parties each putting their case) in nature.
The Commission will have considerable powers that are restricted by their terms of reference (these are yet to be determined) but otherwise their powers are more thorough than a normal court of law. In practice, the Royal Commission will have the power to compel witnesses to answer claims and the usual rules of evidence won’t apply (making it easier to make an argument based on ‘hearsay’ for example).
Importantly rules that protect accused people from self incrimination are more limited than usual. Royal commissions have historically been extremely controversial and are a fairly rare occurrence in Australian politics. Once a Royal Commission is set in train, the Government essentially has no ability to stop it.
The news of the Royal Commission comes after a senior police officer made damning allegations about the Catholic Church’s concealment of child sexual abuse on ABC’s Lateline last week. Senior NSW Detective Peter Fox gave a horrifying account of the culture of cover-up he experienced when investigating alleged crimes within the church.
“I can testify from my own experience that the church covers up, silences victims, hinders police investigations, alerts offenders, destroys evidence and moves priests to protect the good name of the church,” the Senior Detective Fox told Lateline.
“In many cases that I came across, one priest who had previously faced paedophile charges was donating parish money to the legal support of another priest to defend himself from those charges.”
“I had other priests that hadn’t been charged with anything removing evidence and destroying it before we were able to secure it, and we just went around in circles. The greatest frustration is that there is so much power and organisation behind the scenes that police don’t have the powers to be able to go in and seize documents and have them [the church] disclose things to us.”
Late last week on Mamamia we had a post from a man who claims that he was abused as a child, by a member of the Catholic Church. This is what Pete Dillon wrote:
I was an 8-9 year old when I was sexually abused by a member of the Catholic Church. I was an altar boy at a small parish in regional Victoria, and I was forced to commit acts that I did not understand. I had no idea what I was being forced to do. All I knew was that I knew it was wrong, I knew it did not make me feel special like the priest said it would. I did know that I was being told not to tell anyone, for fear of getting in trouble, that no one would believe me if I told them and that I was bad.
I have contemplated taking the church’s hush money, but no amount will ever give me back my childhood. My father died when I was in my early 20′s and my father never properly knew his youngest son. I could never tell my father who I was, because of what happened to me as a child.
When I told my mother, she broke down and cried. I am the second youngest of ten kids and my parents clung very firmly to their faith, it was one of the few things that they had. I made a decision not to tell them what had happened when I was a boy. My mother wished that she could have helped me through, and realised that much of what I told her made sense – she had seen the change in me from that age but never quite knew why.
We’ll keep you updated as more information about the Royal Commission and it’s ambit are announced.




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i was sent to boystown in the mid 80;s , i never told my parents what happened there , untill just 2 yrs ago i had told noone , now all i can say is it is about time , to lend your support to the boys / men of boystown go here (fallenbrothers4life.webs.com
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It has been a long time coming and I suspect it will take along time to dig through all the lives that have been affected. I hope it does have them squirming. I also wish that the flow on effect is not just about institutions but sexual abuse that happens in people’s own homes, for me it was my father.
I hope the Royal Commission sets down guidelines to make it easier for abused children to come forward, even as adults. Only good can come of this, I am just saddened that it took so long.
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I also really hope the commission looks into why the Catholic church, and all other religious institutions, is exempt from paying tax.
When you visit the Vatican and see wealth on a scale out of this world, and walk a few metres outside the ‘country’ to see people starving in the streets it’s an eye opening scenario.
I don’t think for one second that catholics can’t be good people, I think there’s a range of people from sadistic evil abusing pedophile to salt of the earth wonderful folk, but there IS a serious problem that pedophiles are attracted to the catholic church, and it needs to be looked into and I am so thankful it will be.
What attracts these evil characters to certain institutions, where is there a systemic cover up at almost every corner, and why are these businesses (because that’s what they are, money making businesses) tax exemptions.
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Paedophiles are attracted to children, not to the church.
They can and are found everywhere from the ABC, celebrities, public schools, scouts, even dating sites looking for single mothers.
The first port of call for the inquiry shoud be the courts. I want to know how in God’s name they can handout sentences that are little more than a slap on the wrist.
Start at the top. Work backwards. And for heavens sake let thepunishmentvfut te crime.
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The comments on women abusers miss the point. Yes women can abuse but I am yet to read much about women sexual abusers in the contexts of abuse being discussed. This isn’t so much about how and why abuse happened but about the institutional cover ups and poor responses. You can bet many women would have been involved in that including care home matrons, staff of organisations religious and general, police officers, politicians, lawyers, medical staff etc.
This is a really sensitive issue I hope in future that mm write more carefully on it. Talking about men doesn’t acknowledge how important cover ups and responses are to the commission.
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I couldn’t agree more, I don’t understand why it’s being commented on so much when the issue is the systematic abuse and cover ups going on in this institutions – catholic church and otherwise.
It’s not to say women don’t abuse, but NOT in the way we’re discussing here – it’s missing the point.
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That is the way we should head into a RC, with eyes wide shut, stereotypes engrained, could not agree more
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Great, glad we agree.
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With the revelations from Vic and NSW Gillard had to act on a Royal Commission. Abbott would not have done so. As a country we need to ask a basic question-why have we let a medival institution like the Catholic Church come to own and run, with mainly public taxpayer money, a very large part of our education, health and social services sectors. Given what will shown to be huge levels of abuse of children in its schools and churches over many decades, will the state and fedearl government stop any new Catholic schools and hospitals being built while the Royal Commission is sitting? Will the commission recommend that the property trusts the CC hides its assets behind be open to civil action by victims to pay compensation? Many Catholic orders in the US are broke from victim payouts and this should be the result in Australia as the likely victims number in the many thousands and total compensation should run into the billions$$.
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I’m catholic and this makes me feel ashamed and sick. I really do hope that these vile people are caught and punished. Oh and I hope that they all burn in hell too.
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I hope they look deep into Boystown as well. My brother was sent there in the 80′s, he still finds it hard to talk about what went on there.
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While I wholeheartedly dislike Gillard and everything she does, I am so glad that this has happened. I’m happy that there were no political games or infighting and it was announced so quickly. May those responsible for inflicting abuse on all of us victims be held to account for what they have done. May the religious groups who have broken law after law be brought before the courts and appropriate punishments dealt to them. I doubt the God these religious groups supposedly serve would be impressed with what has gone on. The church is supposed to help people and encourage personal growth. Instead we are left with bottom feeders who are determined to destroy countless innocent lives. May the religious groups cop exactly what is deserved.
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I’m very excited about this but will wait to see the Terms of Reference before I properly exhale.
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Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox is An Absolute Hero.
* and I almost never use the word ‘hero’.
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afw, I wholeheartedly agree!
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It’s troubling that this has taken so long, but well done Julia Gillard for having the guts to get it underway. Congratulations to Peter Fox too, what an amazing man.
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Yes – you know what I found troubling watching Peter Fox on Lateline the other night? That the Catholic Church clearly has enough pull within the NSW government and Police Force to have someone removed from a case if they want. I hope the Royal Commission goes into this as well. Clearly the rot is far-reaching.
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That’s a really important part of it, and I think it’s one reason why a RC is required.
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It is disturbing. The power imbalance for these poor kids is outrageous when you hear what Peter Fox has to say. I hope the RC uncovers the people who covered it up, they are just as bad.
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Oh FFS. All of these people who feel that the most important thing to say is that ‘oh but women can be paedophiles tooooo!!!”. It’s like making 100 comments on an article about racism, saying ‘why are you only talking about whites – black people can be racists tooooo!’ Sure, it happens, but do we really need to derail & unbalance a discussion by giving 0.5% equal time with the 99.5%?
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FFS making exuses for female paedophiles! They ruin lives just as much.
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I’m not making excuses – just saying that insisting on giving them equal air-time completely distorts the picture.
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where do you get your stats from ?
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Total BS !
It doesn’t distort the picture. It makes it clearer !
As much as I welcome the royal commission, the article presents itself as “Look ! Here comes a male ! My child is about to be molested”.
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0.5%, are you serious? Studies suggest women commit 14 – 40% of offenses against boys (under reporting is an issue as well) and 6% of offenses against girls. And you want to ignore this? Seriously?
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The important thing is the Royal Commission will be looking at all forms of institutional abuse of children, no matter what gender the abuser.
Who cares what gender pedophiles are…as long as they are brought to justice!
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Too bloody right !
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I agree, it’s highly irritating and I am quite frankly quite offended at how many people have said this and hijacked what is a really important issue.
They read the article and THAT is what they take from it, I don’t get it.
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It says a lot that the people commenting make THAT the outrage factor in the article, and not the horrible things that happened to boys & girls around the country. Pretty shameful actually.
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‘how many’ people have hijacked it, or mostly the same person I wonder?
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I am not sure why my comments take so long to come up so sorry if this appears twice, but there are a number of published studies in the US that estimate sexual assult against boys is commited 14 -40% of the time by females, and that 6% of sexual assult against girls is commited by females. The references are on wikipedia for those interested. hardly 0.5% lulu, and hardly worth ignorring.
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My theory is the longer you spend on a comment, and the more thought you put into it, the longer it takes to come up.
Either that or there’s a holding pen for a lucky few of us.
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I think this is exactly the sort of banter that does derail the real issues…The fact that children are being sexually abused, and have been for such a very long time, within institutions that were often supposed to protect them and which have also had the power to cover up these crimes. The vast majority of this abuse has been endemic within systems. This I believe, though admittedly I do not have imperical evidence, is most often been by males. Of course women commit offences but I think that they do not feature heavily in this systemic abuse. The RC hopefully will break through and flush out these vile beasts and expose every last one of them.
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And what percent of those are slightly older woman and consenting teen?
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Regardless of which is the older or younger gender, you cannot give consent if you are underage.
In the instance where it is the female that is older, that doesnt make it OK. Don’t dismiss sexual abuse or excuse it away as “all young boys have a fantasy of their friend’s MILF”. That is like saying it is OK for a teacher to seduce his 14 year old student as it is likely to her ‘fantasy’.
Wrong – just wrong all over.
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I doubt if they were older and consenting that they’d be making submissions to a Royal Commission, though.
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Sorry I’m not trying to argumentative but when you say MEN of all ages are squirming etc etc..
Cant a women be a paedophile too?
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You are about the hundredth person to have said this, do people not have a skim of other comments before making their own ‘original’ comment? Not meaning to have a go, I am just interested why others don’t do this – it makes for a boring comment session when half the people are saying the same thing instead of perhaps just liking the original comment.
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I find it frustrating too. Maybe on mobiles?
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It’d be pretty boring if we just had a few people commenting with everyone else just giving the thumbs up. Can we all not have a voice?
I think it’s wrong to focus on men. I can’t understand why some commenters are so irritated that others have pointed out that women can abuse children as well. Instead we’ve got “Pfft, THAT’S what you took away from this?”
No. It’s not all we took from reading it but it’s important to remember that women abuse children too. How would you feel if you were a victim of a female abuser and saw a comment that basically negated your experience?
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You’re missing the point a bit here, it’s got nothing to do with the fact women can also be abusers, it’s that the same comment (literally) is being posted again and again when surely once or twice would do, there is SO much to take from that article – it’s a pity to point out, over and over, something so petty.
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I don’t think I’m missing the point. You’re saying the same comment is coming up again and again & that those people who have nothing different to say should say nothing. Instead they should just give a thumbs up to someone elses comment. Isn’t that your point?
Like I said, everyone should have a voice. It’s up to the moderators to approve the comments, not us.
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“everyone should have a voice. It’s up to the moderators to approve the comments, not us.”
Are you suggesting that some comments should not be approved if the moderators decide the point has already been raised?
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If we want to look at the Commission into child abuse in Ireland, it too had a similar scope suggested, and it took TEN YEARS to completely ferret out the truth.
The terms of reference in the Ireland Commission would be an excellent example to follow too.
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I encourage all people interested in this matter and how it will proceed in Australia should familiarise themselves with the Irish inquiry. This is a huge undertaking and we need to learn from the Irish experience if we want real justice for victims and permanent change.
Despite the length of the Irish enquiry it appears that many victims believe it fell short on both counts, not least that victims were not consulted on compensation and that the original TOR precluded prosecution of those responsible, perhaps to encourage full disclosure and cooperation (like in the case of the south african truth and reconciliation commission?).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_to_Inquire_into_Child_Abuse
And then we get back to the even thornier issue which no one seems keen to address – if people have these tendencies how can we stop them? The lack of research and funding on this matter has worried me for years, especially considering how widespread child sexual abuse is and the appalling repercussions for all of society. Surely this is worth some funding? This issue is so horrible but simply ignoring the people who commit these horrible crimes until they commit them seems to me to be like hoping a disease will go away without treatment until the only solution is amputation…
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What a great step in the right direction.
Expanding beyond the Catholic Church abusers and those within it who continue to cover it up seems like a pretty decent compromise, well worth it to get the bi-partisan support it needs. Kudos to Abbott for announcing his support in advance too.
Let’s hope the terms of reference are broad enough. If it’s going to be larger than a single organisation, then it has to be long enough to do a through job.
This’ll be eighteen months to two years long I’d guess.
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18 months to two years is unrealistic, if the terms of reference are going to be broad.
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Agree! My next comment (above) was that the Irish commission took ten years – quite possibly it will do this as well.
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If the royal commission is fair dinkum….it should go further than just investigating the Catholic church.
Then you’ll really see the child molesters quivering in their boots.
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It does, Bradley!
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Well done to Tony Abbott and Barry O’Farrell.
Despite mama mia’s best effort to portray otherwise, Gilltard was dragged KICKING and SCREAMING into this Royal Commission.
The press, the state leaders, the pundits and the chattering classes were all saying that pedophilia knows no state boundaries and that the fed gov was best to handle a nationwide approach. Last week Nicola Roxon gave the states the big kiss-off and said no, you states handle it. What a dope.
It was only when Tony Abbott said today that he would support a fed royal commission when funnily enough 4 hours later the feckless PM made her belated announcement.
So all you nay-sayers below saying Tony Abbott wouldn’t have done this blah blah blah blah, pull you heads an get with the current affairs. His judgement is not in question here.
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Way to make a bi-partisan action political.
By the way, there are no comments saying Tony Abbott wouldn’t have done this. If anything, he is being high-fived.
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It would appear that my original comment was gobbled by the spam filter, as happens so often.
The ALP have actively protected their own peodophiles. Despite a plea to thoroughly investigate the Heiner Affair, the Greens, Labor and Independants voted against it.
Gillian Sneddon was vilified for blowing the whistle on Milton Orkopolous, who is one of several ALP politicians doing time.
One hopes that the ALP will be included in the terms of inquiry.
An inquiry into the Catholic church is small potatoes compared to the epidemic that is destroying the lives of children in every suburb and town in the country. An Anglican school had a paedophile ring working there or years. All married men, I might point out. Scout leaders, swimming coaches, public school teachers, uncles, politicians, doctors … Paedophiles are everywhere. Making the Catholic church the public face of paedophilia is based more on politics than fact.
Its been well known for years that the children in the Hunter area are being abused and that it’s being covered up but it isn’t only the Catholic church – its a peodophiles ring that stretches from the bottom up and incorporates a network that are protecting each other.
Start that top and work your way down.
Start by looking at the defiantly lenient sentencing and work backwards from there.
A witchunt on the Catholic Church may be deserved and it will definitely dovetail beautifully with McTernan’s anti-Abbott agenda, but it will do little real good unless it pledges to leave no rock unturned.
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Did you miss this fairly important part?
“Ms Gillard said that the Commission will look into allegations of sexual abuse of children in care of various groups – not just the Catholic Church – but also state care and not for profit organisations. It will also look at the responses of child services agencies to allegations of abuse.”
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Whoa there! Before you go sprouting off and handing all credit to Tony Abbott my friend…
The Gillard Government could not have done this without first obtaining the Coalitions’s agreement and comitment to suport this, as, once a Royal Commission has started the government cannot stop it. Consequently governments are usually very careful about framing the Terms of Reference and generally include in them a date by which the commission must finish.
If the Coaliton win the next election, guess who has to finish this Royal Commission?
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This is probably the first decision Julia Gillard has made that I can say that I whole-heartedly agree with, and applaud. It is excellent, excellent news. I hope the victims affected by the vile crimes of these truly evil people can find some peace through this decision.
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I think one of the best things to come out about this is that Child Sexual Abuse is becoming a part of everyday conversation. Usually, it is a hushed topic, that nobody talks about. This secrecy is keeping it alive. It needs to become a topic of everday conversation, so that victims can feel more comfortable to talk about it. We need to talk about it to protect the children. My Mum asked me one day a few months back, if it happened to me, because I am so passionate about the topic. When I told her no, she was relieved, but also told me that she was a victim of two perpertrators in her childhood. I feel so incredibly sad, that my Mother (now 60) had noone to share this terrible story with as a child. She carried the burden all by herself. No child should have to deal with this alone. I am 40, and I feel I never really new her until now.
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Wonderful news!! But let’s not forget that most child abuse happens within families. We MUST have mandatory sexual abuse prevention education in all kinders and primary schools in Aust.. And parents need to come on board and teach body safety to their kids as a normal part of their parenting conversation. Be brave parents, teach body safety. Knowledge is a powerful deterrent to perpetrators. Remember 93% of kids know their abuser, and 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 7 boys will be sexually abused before 18. Go here for 9 body safety tips for parents http://www.somesecrets.info
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I agree.
My eldest daughter is seven and since about five she’s been told about inappropriate and uncomfortable touching. We talk about if anyone touches her skin anywhere where her cozzie covers, or her face and lips.She’s instructed that secrets with adults are wrong (unless it is about a birthday)
I HATE the paranoia that surrounds men interacting with young children, but I am not going to not teach my child this simple stuff.
But this Royal Commission is about places parents can’t typically control who has access to their children. It is a wonderful thing to be having.
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Bravo.
I just hope that in some small way that the victims can find some solace in the fact that the cover up will be no more.
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Wow. Can’t help but think there will be a lot of sleepless rock spiders tonight. Or will they be busy all night destroying letters and records and getting their stories straight.
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I can hear the shredders going in the back offices of these religious organisations and other institutions as we speak..I’m slightly cynical about what results will be garnered from this commission. Although I must add I welcome it – no stone should remain unturned to find these scum.
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Oh FFS! Enough of the BS about women being child sexual abusers too.
It is almost always men. Having said that we know it is not ALL men.
I remember watching an episode of Oprah where they detailed a facility where they incarcerated the worst of the worst sexual predators. They had hundreds of inmates, only one of whom was a woman.
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Because we finally have a chance to investigate this issue via a royal commission, and look under every stone in the process. Why bring a stereotype of who offenders are to the table day 1. This is offensive to the (minority granted) of victims of females.
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A family member of mine was abused by his female primary school teacher.
He has struggled for years with the attitude that women are not sexual abusers and that some how the abuse he suffered was not as damaging because the perpetrator was female.
The effects this abuse has had on his life is very real & not at all BS!
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” BS about women being child sexual abusers ??? ”
Wow. Do you realise you are denying victims’ reports? That you are empowering female predators? Open your eyes.
I am a female. I know of two young men I met growing up – one was sexually abused by his female cousin who was 2-3 years older. Another by his own mother in his mid-late teens. Don’t dismiss the unbelievable damage it can do. Their own feelings of shame were incredibly raw. I also had a relative who was in a home for a period in their childhood, which was run by a religious charity. They were abused by nuns (or nuns would abet the abuse).
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I welcome the Royal Commission, and was glad to see this come up on MM, but it is pretty OTT with the “men men men” in the report above. There are examples of husband and wife teams doing all sorts of crazy stuff. Why should women be discounted from suspicion? The Commission isn’t only about the Catholic priests, it’s wide-ranging – do you seriously think there are no complicit women to be found?
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To the original Anon in this post I thought you might be interested:
94% of sexually abused youth in correctional facilities reported being abused by female staff. From: Sexual Victimization in Juvenile Facilities, 2008-09.
* Among inmates reporting staff sexual misconduct, ~ 65% reported a female aggressor. From: Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates, 2008-09.
* 50% of homeless youth reported being sexually abused by a female. From: It’s Not What You Think: Sexually Exploited Youth in British Columbia.
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That’s a really good point – this will cover places like Correctional Centres and children’s homes, won’t it?
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A great day for victims. I am glad the terms of reference have been extended to include other institutions, not just the catholic church. This way, there is no where to hide, no way of suggesting a witch hunt. I hope they leave no stone unturned, including across all faith and state care. Well overdue.
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is this a good thing or just sounds good politically? I am yet to be convinced. Would the money for the commission be better spent on support to victims?
I would understand if this was happening now and the people were still Commiting crimes. if it was 30 or 40 years ago is it not just damaging institutions and church’s of innocent members? Tarring everyone with the same brush?
If the changes needed to prevent and reduce this have already occured I am not sure what value for money would be achieved.
Is it just showy political behaviour to make everyone feel something has been done but really nothing has been achieved?
I have not made up my mind yet but ago hold reservations
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It still happens in this day and age, it wasn’t all ’30 or 40 years ago’ so it’s good to keep that in mind.
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Yesterday in the SMH there was a story where a brotherhood had 70% of their members with child abuse allegations against them, and those brothers were still in leadership positions in 2007.
That’s only five years ago.
Australia’s experience will be the same, moreso because it will cover organisations that have stayed out of the limelight because of the Catholic Church’s monumental mismanagement of this issue.
Like the Wounded Bull says above – no stone will be left unturned.
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Oh my gosh, seriously – FOUR readers so far feel it’s important to point out ‘women are pedophiles too’, disturbing they can read this sad state of affairs and that’s what they choose to take from the story/comment on.
How about commenting on the catholic church, the events, the PM etc – just nick picking and quite ignorant too, please do some research and realise you’re talking about something incredibly rare and NON EXISTENT in this case. Catholic priests – men.
This is a case of politically correct gone mad, I find it offensive you’d focus on something so unimportant when Mamamia is bringing a hugely important issue to our attention.
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Anonymous, I’m sorry that you find the concept of female paedophilia a case of “politically correct gone mad” and that it is “unimportant”. Perhaps you need to talk to a victim of a female paedophile to realise it is just as important to recognise these victims, when it is views like yours that make them feel their story is not worthy of being focused on.
You also suggest this is only about Catholic priests – you might want to read the article again and realise a number of institutions are being focused on, not just the church.
Yes, this is a hugely important issue and I’m glad it’s being thoroughly investigated – however it is important to point out that it’s for ALL perpetrators of sexual abuse, not just men.
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I am a female. I know of two young men I met growing up – one was sexually abused by his female cousin who was 2-3 years older. Another by his own mother in his mid-late teens. Don’t dismiss the unbelievable damage it can do. Their own feelings of shame were incredibly raw.
I also had a relative who was in a home for a period in their childhood, which was run by a religious charity. They were abused by nuns (or nuns would abet the abuse).
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I agree – Though must point out (affectionately) that it’s Wounded Bull’s MO to point out unintentional reverse sexism
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Why single me out here when so many have commented on the same observation, and you also bring me up in a thread I have not even been involved in? It is nice to be so top of mind to you, but seriously.
Oh, and for the record, I comment on tons of things on here thanks, I dont have a MO, but like many on here I have certain topics I feel strongly about.
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I am intrigued as to why you single me out Distracted. It seems to be a rather popular observation regarding this post, not just from me.
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Exactly – I am a woman and I pointed that out below, Wounded Bull. You are right in this case.
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I’m not trying to single you out particularly Wounded Bull. When I commented yours was the first one from the top that I saw. You’ve got a distinctive comment name and I’ve noticed that theme in comments you make. It’s not a derogatory comment, I appreciate your perspective.
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It’s not “reverse” sexism – it’s just good old plain sexism.
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Sorry, but I’m feeling quite attacked here for no particular reason. Isn’t there something more controversial you could all correct?
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I’m not attacking Distracted, was just unsure why you picked me out. All good at this end now, back to the fun loving bull of old from now on.
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My heart goes out to all these brave victims who dared to speak up. It must have been shocking to have your experiences invalidated by such powerful institutions and organisations.
My very demented grandmother sat reminiscing not before she passed ……. … ” father (name) used to come down to the house to see the boys, he always asked after Kevin, he was such a good alter boy, Kevin was so popular with father (name)”.
My grandmother was so proud that the local clergy thought her family worthy.
My mother (Kevin’s sister), and I sat horrified. This was the power the church had over their congregations only 2 generations ago. They are still denying and invalidating it and using their power today.
Great news Julia!
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Long overdue leadership on this issue. The first step on a long road but at least Julia Gillard has shown some leadership and taken it.
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Sorry? Why will only men be squirming? The number of cases in the media recently of female teachers sleeping with their students might suggest otherwise.
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This is so sad, I am glad this man has spoken up like this so others can understand, when you notice children change go off the rails etc, it makes sense & he lived with this shame all this time.
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It is not only men who can be pedophiles.
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This is one of those silly comments that want to be politically correct but reality is the vast vast majority of paedophiles ARemen. And we are talking priests in the catholic church here who are men.
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I’m sorry but that is a very ignorant thing to say, it’s not only practically inaccurate (do you know how rare it is and how non existent it is in this case?!) but a very petty thing to say about a very important issue.
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I am sure the victims of females dont think it a pety point and I am sure they would be horrified to think that their cases are ignored. I can think of quite a number of publicised Australian cases of female teachers sleeping with students just in the last 12 months.
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How is this ignorant? Or petty? I was going to point out the same thing – there are actually females out there who are pedophiles as well. Yes, it is rarer and they are a minority in the pedophile world (which doesn’t only include the Catholic priests, by the way), however I would argue that you’re being ignorant to dismiss this issue as not worthy of our attention just because it doesn’t occur that often. I really don’t think that victims of female pedophiles would agree it should be dismissed so easily and I doubt that this Royal Commission is going to discriminate based on gender and only consider information about male pedophiles.
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But it’s the same reason they say brave firefighters and not brave men. It always swings one way and that way is to single out men when it’s bad and use a collective grouping that is gender neutral when it is positive.
If you are a woman, you probably don’t find it offensive, but you don’t get to pick and choose what other people find offensive.
When Mamamia single out women and children as victims in disasters it shows that either the public opinion of men is lesser or that sexism against men is entirely acceptable.
Only two way streets deliver equality.
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Yes, I agree. If it was positive and about say, police doing something good, people would never cop “policemen”. But because it’s negative, it’s OK to say men. Even in the PM’s statement, she said “people”. Because that’s who the perpetrators are. People. Not just men and not just women.
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Why is it petty to point out that women also assault children? I heard about a case of a female paedophile this weekend. Even worse, she’s a mother.
Lets not fool ourselves here. Men may be in the majority but women are also involved at times.
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Great move, Prime Minister! i just hope this uncovers the depth of this dispicable and disgusting scurge. Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled there is a royal commission on its way, but my concern is that it’s terms of reference will simply be too broad and the commission will be unable to examine any institution in a meaningful amount of detail due to the sheer volume of evidence. Also, it will be interesting to see whether each state runs their own inquiry or whether it is a national royal commission. My feelings are more will be uncovered if each state had their own inquiry, under the same terms of reference. I suppose this is a good start though, and Julia Gillard should be very proud of her actions today.
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This article refers to ‘men’ specifically twice in its opening paragraph. Not all paedophiles are men, even if most of them are. Just something to consider. Don’t exclude women – that is what they’d rely upon in concealing abuse, an assumption their gender doesn’t ‘do this’.
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You read the article and that’s the thing you take from it? Wow.
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It’s pretty hard to miss when the first paragraph pretty much announced, men, we are coming to get you.
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I commented above but felt the need to comment about this again – as someone who works in the mental health industry, this was also the first thing I noticed as I read the article. It wasn’t the only thing I took from it, but it is important to recognise that female paedophiles do exist! And that their victims are just as affected by their abuse as victims of male paedophiles.
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Yes, unfortunately it’s what I take from this article too. I think it’s great what Julia is doing but I’m glad she didn’t use such gender specific language.
My beautiful boyfriend was sexually abused by a woman he was under the care of. And so many years later he’s still unsure of whether or not he can class it as sexual abuse because he was a young teenage boy at the time and society tells us that teenage boys are just up for that.
It’s still caused him life-long damage.
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It’s women too don’t forget. I know they re a minority but just as damaging.
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Wonderful wonderful news!!!
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As a Catholic I think this is the best news. Get all of the scum out of the church and attempt to rebuild what should be a wonderful thing. Covering up the acts of these despicable people DOES NOT protect the “good name of the church” it instead creates a haven and attracts these predators. I would love to be proud of my religion, instead I am ashamed. Enough is enough.
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Pity the Royal Commission won’t also address the Catholic Church’s treatment of women. A lot more than pedophile priests has to change there before people should feel proud of that church!
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Yes, true, and sadly those two issues would still only be the tip of the ice berg….
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YES! Julia Gillard has restored my faith in the current Government in making this significant decision and taking action. Finally, something is being done that will make a real difference to people’s lives and to protect the vulnerable that the Government can and will lead. So many people must be crying with some relief tonight. The only people to feel fear in this announcement should be the guilty.
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I am concerned rather than overjoyed at the announcement. It is good news that a Royal Commission will be held. It must, however, have very specific terms of reference to address clerical sexual abuse. It seems to me that the Catholic Church will be diluted among the many organisations that can and possibly will be covered by this Royal Commission and there is the possibility that the answers and the truths we need to start to finally heal, will be diluted in a broader context.
I am concerned the announcement was a bit wishy washy and while there are many that will be very happy that there is a Royal Commission, I will be keeping a very close eye on what happens from here.
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The Irish experience was that anyone who had been abused as a child in any institution could approach the commission and tell their story and have it investigated, regardless of the organisation.
This seems completely fair to me. If anything, if I had been abused, and the terms of reference excluded me, I’d be extremely upset.
If the majority are from the Catholic Church, so be it, but if there majority aren’t, I would have hated to have missed those.
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Well done Prime Minister Gillard, if I was ever in any doubt of something you would do over Tony Abbott that has gained my complete respect, this is it.
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Whoo hoo! About time those b*stards got caught! I wonder how the Catholic church will fare after this is over..
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Don’t get too excited, Lozzy. It will be just fine.
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No it won’t. It will drive people away from the church, thats what happened at home in Ireland and it will happen here. When people realise the depth of depravity that these children were exposed to, from lay people as well as priests AND nuns, when those stories finally come out people’s stomachs will turn. I was never a religious person despite growing up in Ireland, but after reading the outcome of the inquiry at home I now HATE those bastard with a passion. Not only did they perpetrate abuse but they hid it and are still hiding it.
Oh yes the CC is heading for a huge slump and I cannot wait to see it.
Not to mention those lay institutions, I’m so glad they will be investigated too.
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Absolutely brilliant move.
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This is great what the PM is doing, but it irks me that at the beginning of this article you referenced that men are paedophiles, you never said anything about women. I am pretty sure that there are women paedophiles. There may not be many of them, but they are out there. How about changing it to the word ‘people’ instead of ‘men’.
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Did you read this article? Catholic priests. Men.
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The royal commission is across all institutions. Without trivialising the seriousness of the issue, women can offend too, a number of recent cases involving female teachers in Australia attests to that, and it is important we do not forget their victims in the process.
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Did you read the article? It is not a Royal Commission into Catholic Priests, although they will be one group investigated.
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Did you read the article?
“Ms Gillard said that the Commission will look into allegations of sexual abuse of children in care of various groups – not just the Catholic Church – but also state care and not for profit organisations.”
Not just the Catholic priests. Anyone.
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err, did YOU read it?
I quote directly: “… the Commission will look into allegations of sexual abuse of children in care of various groups – not just the Catholic Church – but also state care and not for profit organisations. It will also look at the responses of child services agencies to allegations of abuse.”
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Fantastic news! I hope they get what they deserve.
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Excellent news, it has been a long time coming. Thank you, Prime Minister Gillard.
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