Take a look at this picture.
The woman is 28-year-old Irish student Emer O’Toole. As part of a social experiment, she quit waxing and shaving for an 18-month period and then debuted the results on national TV last week.
It was a daring move and the reaction was huge – but not all positive.
Disgusting, horrible and revolting were some of the words being thrown around in the days following the show.
An online “hairfree or carefree?” poll showed 80 per cent of viewers were appalled by Emer’s body hair. And columnist, Amanda Platell, from the Daily Mail who believes “the only hair that belongs on a woman is on her head” wrote, “watching her I nearly parted company with my breakfast”.
“And we’re not talking a bit of fluff here — she revealed underarm beards that would have made Osama bin Laden proud,” she wrote.
Ouch.
Here’s the clip from the show:
Admittedly, the clip is slightly shocking. But not necessarily in a bad way. And not because Emer dared to “get her pits out for the lads”. It’s shocking because seeing a woman with body hair is about as common as a romantic comedy that ends in divorce.
Why then did she do it?
Emer said she believed shaving or waxing was anti-feminist; that there is too much pressure on women to “conform to artificial gender norms”.
“All around me my friends were getting laser hair removal, Brazilians, some of them were getting Botox … I just thought where does this end?
“I started examining my own relationship with beauty and with my body. Why did I have to shave?”
“I thought back to when I started shaving and I realised that when I was 14, you know, the hair started sprouting and I didn’t think, ‘Will I keep these or will I shave them off’. I knew I had to shave them off or everyone would think I was disgusting.”
WARNING WARNING DANGER DANGER. The words: “hairy armpits” and “feminism” in the same conversation. Jeez, aren’t we past that?
Self-described “strident feminist” and bloody brilliant author of bloody brilliant book How To Be A Woman, Caitlin Moran thinks hair on parts of your body other than your pubic area, have nothing to do with feminism. Like many women, she eschews the Brazilian but shaves her legs and underarms.
She writes:
“‘But what about underarm hair?’ people will say – usually 40-somthing men, who look uncomfortable when you use phases such as ‘lovely big Hair Bear Bunch-style minge’, and then downright alarmed when you bring pornography unto it.
‘If you don’t believe in Brazilians, do you shave your armpits? Do you shave your legs? And your eyebrows? You look like you pluck to me. What about your lady moustache?
And then they sit back, a little smug – as if they have just put a sausage roll in the bottom of a trapping pit, and are fairly confident you’re about to go in after it and be captured.
But the crotch, the upper lip and the armpit are miles apart – well, on average, 43cm apart. What happens to them, and why, is wholly different – primarily because armpits aren’t intimately associated with sexual maturity or, indeed, sexuality at all, unless you’re on some seriously specialist websites.
So what you do with your armpits is just an aesthetic concern – and not really part of The Struggle. Given this, I have, over the years, experimented with different looks for my armpit. Some days, a shaved armpit just looks a bit … boring. If I’m wearing jeans and a vest top, and I’m hanging with my homies, it’s quite nice to go a bit ‘Faith’, with a flash of four-day fuzz. There’s something pleasingly musky about it – like you’ve been too busy living the bohemian dream, and souping up your hot-rod, to do something as mimsy as shave.”
When it comes to hair – legs, upper lip, eyebrows, chin, nipple, pubic – the desirable outcome would be an expanding of the aesthetic lexicon: like when Eddie Izzard explains his transvestism as ‘equal clothing rights for all’. He doesn’t want to wear a dress every day – he might not wear stilettos for a year. But whenever the mood takes a man to wear a dress, or a woman to go furry, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be part of the range. There are some women out there who are just going to look better with a moustache: that’s statistics. There are a lot of armpits that will look better with a silky curl of fur than they do stripped, or plucked, depending on what outfit is being rocked at the time. A monobrow can be magnificent: my six-year-old – raised on pictures of Frida Kahlo – is militant about hers. ‘I do love it, because it never ends.’
On ‘dress like a character from history’ day, at school, she dresses as Kahlo, and applies mascara to the centre, ‘To make it even better.’
She is so much saner than I was at her age.”
So body hair. Your thoughts?








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223 Comments so far
I like hairy bush and I’m 27.
In fact, I’d go so far as to say I prefer it and don’t like it when a woman’s shaved. Put the razor down. I don’t understand how guys can shave down there too, gross and disgusting – I mean what are they aiming for? To look like children?!
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i think she is very beautiful and so much sexy with hair in her armpits.
Hair in woman and man bodies are NATURAL and it is NOT ugly(nothing
natural is ugly). BUT in our Hypocrisy society we are living in, we call fat the woman’s round(from femininity)body, and we call ugly and
dirty hairs in woman’s body.Wooow then woman are born dirty and ugly
right ? and man too ? and what about hair in head ? in what world
are we living …!
HYPOCRISY and BRAINWASH…
Woman(like man) should focus to become better person and not spend so much time to create a fake body…
Can we think what woman do today JUST to be “acceptable” woman ? and
all this have been master in society not from life needs BUT FROM GAY
fashion creators..! are our society so idiot ?
Personally i adore woman the way NATURE CREATE HER. Woman’s nature is the
miracle not the fashion icons… Hair in woman is natural and i love it
too. My girlfriend isn’t less woman cause see have hair in armpits or
she isn’t dirty for the same reason (dirty is someone that don’t clean
her self).
I adore the nature smell of woman body (even sweaty armpits) cause this
is natural=REAL woman’s smell. Have we ever thought that nature GAVE US
NOSE to USE IT , and not just to have it for decoration ? and LOVE is
something we HAVE TO USE 5 Senses if we want to live it 100%…
Also at the and i want to add the freedom of choice that i want for all
people (yes woman too). woman must be anyway she feels better, and be
sure we love her or like her, NOT for some hair she has or hasn’t, BUT
because of the WOMAN SHE IS…. It is time to focus in human values and
quality and not insignificant cosmetic details… Time to discover real
things again and ignore for nonsense created by interest..
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One of my in-laws confided to me that he found armpit hair to be a turn on.
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OMG when will we get it – feminism is about the choice to do what you choose because it’s what you want to do (not just because it’s the norm or you think you’ll be “wrong” if you don’t) without judgement! Wear pants/wear a skirt, stay home/go to work, hair removal/no hair removal ALL WITHOUT COMMENT! When we stop spending energy on this self-doubt & judgement then we’ll (females) run the world. The fattest, hairiest, most badly dressed bloke can think he’s god’s gift – we need to be more like that!
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Hi. I am 49 now but I remember times where we did not have to shave.Where hair was not disgusting. Now if you have hair on your legs. (even arms!!!) it is not done. I think it started when the bikini’s got cut higher? I notice how disgusted my 22 year old daughter is when she sees hair anywhere except on people’s head. Now even men start to shave, not just the cyclists.
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I didn’t grow up in this kind of culture, and at that time, in that place, brazilians didn’t exist and I had never even thought of shaving anything . I used to lie on my bed in a ray of sunlight , a bottle of hydrogen peroxide in hand, trying to graduate the colour from baby blonde at the edge to dark gold in the middle . I did the same all over my arms and legs, so that whenever I was in the sun I would glisten
those were nice times.
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Society is really stuffed isn’t it? To say that women shave for hygiene reasons is really, really daft! Most women, shave and pluck and wax and polish and etc. just to impress other women. As the joke goes, how do you impress a man? Show up naked….and bring beer! It’s really that simple
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Sorry folks, this is a big post! But here’s my experiences of the past few years as a ‘young person’
I started waxing my legs and shaving my armpits when I was twelve, after years of being pestered to do so by girlfriends. Mum delayed my forays into hair removal as much as possible, informing me that once I started I’d have to continue for the rest of my life. I didn’t mind, I just wanted to have the legs my friend wanted me to have.
Once I was thirteen, after a year of hair removal, I became more relaxed with my approach to it – I’d wax my legs every season or so and shave my armpits when I remembered. Whilst friends would still occasionally comment on the ‘wonderful feeling of freshly smooth legs’, there was no commenting on the legs of others anymore, and on the odd occasion it happened I’d feel very uncomfortable that this was what girls were being judged for. By now I’d had a few boyfriends and none of them had ever seemed to mind (in fact, when, after a month of so of dating I had my legs waxed and asked my boyfriend if he liked it he said ‘yes, but no more than before – legs are legs’).
Once fourteen came around I’d still wax my legs (but only every few months), but shaving my underarms became more a case of “I’ll do it if I’m wearing a singlet or going swimming, but otherwise it doesn’t bother me. I tended to wear long socks or stockings quite often, so my legs were even less of an issue. Boyfriends still didn’t seem to mind what my legs were like, usually only noticing change if I pointed it out.
Fifteen, sixteen, and now seventeen have come around. I can’t remember the last time I waxed my legs (certainly not in the last six months, although I’m lucky, having fair hair that is only really visible in direct sunlight..) and I haven’t shaved my underarms in at least a year (I trim them every now and then, but I don’t see this as giving in – I trim the hair on my head every now and then too!) – I find I feel less ‘pretty’ without it.. I trim my pubic hair, but only so it doesn’t get matted when Ms Period comes around. I removed my pubic hair once, to see what it was like and my boyfriend and I both decided that while it was an acceptable experiment, it should never be attempted again – the prepubescent look was confronting, I felt like I was dressing up as an amateur pornstar, and the stubble as the hair grew back was so irritating!
Yes, I will admit, the first time someone runs their hand up my leg watches me undress, I will inwardly cringe, thinking ‘Please don’t judge my hair preferences. Please don’t think I’m gross’.
But then I stop myself and think ‘this person is here because they think I’m sexy regardless, so dammit, I’m FABULOUS!’
Ps. On the hygiene thing: I wash regularly and use deodorant. I sweat no more than I did when I had shaved underarms. Also, I don’t smell bad. In fact, I am often given the slightly disarming compliment, ‘you smell great!’!
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I’m glad that you have a positive outlook on this and you’re very lucky to have such fair hair. Being Italian myself, I am hairy and it is also dark. I, on the other hand, have developed an obsession with being hairless. However, no one ever really pushed me to remove any body, and just like your mother, my one didn’t even want me to shave my legs but wanted me to wax them. I just never let them grow long enough to have them waxed. I think I’m just extremely insecure about any hair on my body and I find it disgusting if I have any. I find also find it weird that people who have commented assume it is unhygienic or smelly to be hairy when sweat glands are from your skin and odor escapes from the pores in your skin, not hair. If our hair on top of our head doesn’t smell then why would our legs or underarms?
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I’m curious to know if any of the commenters here that have said don’t find body hair on women disgusting or think its still hygienic to have hair or generally just dont condone what they’ve, shave or wax themselves? Most of you that have commented probably do shave body hair, maybe not as often as some, but its still likely you do. Maybe think before you write in favour of this image because you are just contradicting what you do and its a little hypocritical to be so quick to judge the people that are commenting here saying they think its a personal choice or unhygienic or whatever because its their bodies and their lives.
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We should ask men what they think of this image. I’m interested to know. In the end women either get rid of body hair for themselves as a personal choice or perhaps for men? Don’t know because i think it would be awkward to bring it up in conversation. Anyone ever asked any men in their lives about this? Do men like body hair on women? If they did say, ‘ooh body hair is such a turn-on’ will women actually stop shaving?
This comment sounds like it only caters to straight women, but seriously, lesbians should ask these questions too. Would you actually be disgusted if your partner had underarm hair, etc?
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As a lesbian I’m not offended by body hair. My own or my partners. I’m lucky to be fair and live in a cooler climate so I shave my legs 3 or 4 times a year. Armpits a bit more often. My pubic hair gets a bit of a trim every couple of months. The only thing that’s off putting is body odour, and you can have that if you’re hairy or not. Each to their own. Feminism is about choice.
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In today’s society waxing and shaving on any part of the body for women is a social and gender norm. Yes, a hundred years ago they didn’t do this, but that’s because there was no exposure to media in regards to fashion magazines, etc, that have resulted in these newly formed expectations of women. It is NOW seen by most women as hygienic to shave or wax because the idea of not doing this has been drilled into us for so long as being ‘disgusting’ and ‘natural’. If there is anything to understand about society today, its the idea of eradicating anything natural about ourselves, this includes getting rid of body hair, the introduction of photoshop and plastic surgery. This is how the world is, and that is why this image is so shocking to women because most of us have been lead to believe that once you reach puberty and discover body hair, it needs to go.
I don’t really find this image that disgusting though because its not as though many people would have noticed her body hair unless she showed them in this way because Ireland has a relatively cold climate. It’s probably constantly been hidden underneath layers of long-sleeved clothing. If she’d never shown her underarms, no one would even be aware of this.
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I commented on the first day this was posted that growing out body hair wasn’t just a case of “each to their own”, but rather a life choice about how you were prepared to be percieved and treated. The comments I got back were along the lines of “no one reacts to that sort of thing!” and “those perceptions are just in your head!”.
I really hope that those people have read all the (very many) comments below about how “disgusting”, “unhygenic”, “unfeminine” and “natural” it is. Not so I can say told you so, but so they realise how prevalent and entrenched this kind of cultural beauty normal is.
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What a girl. I wish I was that brave. I think the whole idea of trying to look like a prepubescent girl by removing all pubic hair just ludicrous, but I would be hard pressed to go out with hairy legs and armpits. On the other hand, I think she’s absolutely right and a feminist after my own heart. If she was my daughter I would be very proud.
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It’s funny to see such shock and disgust at this when it wasn’t that long ago – maybe a hundred years or so – that no women shaved. I might be wrong but I understand that shaving became essential when Gillette decided to tell women (who were only just starting to show some skin generally) that hair was disgusting and they had to get rid of it. You can see the same thing happening with young girls and Brazilians – the older generation is confused about why you’d want to shave it off completely, while the younger ones thing no hair down there is normal. It’s more than a little bit scary how influenced we are by advertisers and marketers.
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Once upon a time, women didn’t wear sleeveless tops or high cut bathers. And even now, uniforms are designed with some kind of sleeve that hides the armpit because sleeveless requires “a high standard of grooming”.
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One day, I will click onto an article that is vaguely related to feminism and NOT see Caitlin Moran quoted everywhere. One day….
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It’s cold, long sleeves, boots. The only reason I shave anywhere this time of year is if I’m going swimming. – so usually about once a week. Otherwise I wouldn’t bother much, probably once a month or so.
There will probably be an age differential in the reactions, older women (and men) will be much less concerned.
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Agree with you Cleo, this is a age differential thing, most women over 50 will be like Emer O’Toole, probably one better e.g never shaved in their life, unlike Emer who did shave up to 18 months ago. Too many younger women are being ‘taken in’ by the advertising industry making them think that all women should look like little girls under the age of 10.
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Yuk. Yeah it’s natural and all but so is faeces. Stop it.
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she is so pretty why would she do that to herself?
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This has nothing to do with feminism or stereotype or whatever the hell you want to equate it to, its about hygiene. This is disgusting. I don’t care what people say, we are used to seeing women as seemingly hairless in places like underarms, why oppose it now? Anyone who decides not to keep clean and hairless under their arms needs to re-evaluate their lives, go back a little to the 1800s, do us all a favour and stay there forever.
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I don’t understand the comment about hygeine. Do you mean perhaps that you shouldn’t eat off a hairy armpit? Do you normally eat from a shaved one?
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So the vast majority of men are unhygenic and disgusting? You can wash hair, you know!
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I’m curious to know how you feel about men with hairy arm pits? If it’s a hygiene issue, then you think it’s wrong for them too?
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I wasn’t talking about men or eating from armpits. And if you actually read my comment completely without trying to be sarcastic that I said ‘we are used to seeing WOMEN hairless’. And this is true, today its considered normal for women to shave/wax body hair because thats what we’ve been influenced to believe. Im sure most of your mothers talked to you about shaving or waxing your body hair once you reached puberty. So next time read my comment properly.
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Hi Anon,
I know you only commented on women. And you said it was about hygiene. Which is why I was curious to know your opinion on men – and whether you think having hairy arm pits effects their hygiene.
You haven’t answered that. Don’t worry though. When you write on forums you can’t tell tone so well, but I’m not at all worked up about any of this! Like I said (if you read my comment properly ;oP) I was just curious.
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You make no sense. You say it’s about hygiene and then it’s about what people expect (ie societal norms). I shave my underarms sometimes, and sometimes they are hairy. I run and exercise a lot, use roll-on aluminium-free anti-perspirant sparingly, and notice no difference in odour depending on how hairy or hairless my armpits are. It’s not like I don’t *wash* them. If I was showering once a month, maybe body hair would be unhygienic, but I prefer to shower most days.
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To me, saying that hair on parts of the body other than the “crotch” have nothing to do with feminism is as ludicrous as saying that that women’s concerns with “back-fat” have nothing to do with it either because the back is not a sexualised zone. Well, how many men stress over back fat? Or for that matter, how many men stress over fat as much as your average woman does? I certainly see the distinction, the crotch is a sexual area and the others are more…utilitarian. But let’s be frank, women are sexualised to such a degree that there is really no part of us that is left neutral territory anymore. Every centimetre of us, from our (polished) toes to our (silky) hair is sexualised and it is demanded that we are beautified. (By the way, how silky is your hair, and are your toes perfectly polished while you’re reading this?!) To me it is the distinction between what is expected of us and what is expected of men that make this a feminist issue. At the crux of it, different things are expected of us when it comes to our weight and hair removal (and a myriad of other things). While there certainly has been a surge in this metrosexual business of men waxing etc. the great distinction here is that they can take it or leave it. Some men develop eating disorders but the overwhelming majority of eating disordered patients are female. Why? Because of the different expectations society places on women. So while I see that certainly the armpit is not (usually) an object of sexual desire like the vulva or even the legs for that matter, women are expected to tend to this area very differently to men. And if she doesn’t, well she had better be one tough fury cookie. Different expectations, different standards and different treatment if we don’t follow these norms. Armpit hair and all sorts of body hair is most definately a feminist issue.
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fully agree
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Oh Lordy that looks like one of the tackiest TV programs ever! Can’t believe the producers asked her if she’d show her bikini line on the program! What low lives…
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Firstly, I think she’s fantastic.
She discusses arbitrary gender roles and makes a compelling argument about body hair. However, she’s sitting there looking gorgeous with flowing hair, a low-cut dress, a lot of makeup, and heeled boots. Every one of these aspects holds the same amount of weight when discussing gender roles. While I don’t think anyone should have to give all that up, it’s interesting that, yes, we may be strong enough to grow our armpit hair out, but will we ever be strong enough to reject *all* the aspects of gender conditioning? I doubt it. It seems like it was an interesting story because she was an otherwise gorgeous, feminine woman, who had this ‘freak’ side that the producers wanted to exploit. Anyway.
Google Judith Butler for a far better argument than I could ever make!
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Judith Butler! <3
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It looks like she shaved her legs. Why not make a point with the legs as well??
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Her legs are unshaved.
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Take another look, Anon. Definite long hairs happening on the legs!
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The argument that hair removal is just ‘personal hygiene and nothing to do with feminism’ seems to come up a lot. Does this mean that the people making these arguments also expect their men to remove all their body hair as well? If hair removal is a hygiene issues, rather than a gender one, surely hairy men are even worse than hairy women as men tend to have more body hair than women.
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Hair removal is a personal choice,maybe because of hygiene or just because…… If you feel good by doing it or not, why making it complicated by looking for deeper reasons then just that.
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How often are you supposed to shave your armpits? I only shave every couple of weeks or special dress up occasions cause I can’t be bothered! What frequency do the MMers out there shave?
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I shave when I feel a bit of stubble. I never understand why woman find it such effort. I always have my razor with me in the shower, to me it’s the same as soaping my body.
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Once a week in winter and twice a week in summer. I only shave more in summer as it’s hotter and I find my pits smell if they get a bit hairy – and that’s even with a good deodorant.
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Every morning in the shower. I hate stubble.
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I still have stubble after shaving
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All I can say ladies is….. laser hair removal!! Amazing!!
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My husband calls these woman’ Hamster smugglers ‘ , which says enough..
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My grandfather calls hairless women “children “. Anything “says enough ” if you decide it does !
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Perhaps there’s an opening in a niche market for underarm hair shampoo?? ^_^
http://www.boughtbybirdette.com
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I’m going to cop flak for this post, but I wanted to put my view out there.
I find women who shave more attractive and feminine. This makes it more likely I’ll want to get with and stay with women who do shave. I know many other men share my view.
If women want to shave or not shave, its their choice, but no one gets to tell men what they can and can’t find attractive in their women.
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” but no one gets to tell men what they can and can’t find attractive in their women”
Oh but they do.
The women presented as ‘sexy’ in mainstream American and Aussie media (and a lot more besides) are generally hair-free, and body hair is code for ‘gross’ on women (and men too, depending).
Nobody is immune form the normative. We may still exercise personal taste and choice, but it is in the presence of what we understand to be the standard, and somebody out there is defining that. If you look at a lot of other European media, on the other hand, body hair is perfectly unremarkable on women, also because that’s what people are shown. None of us exist in a vacuum.
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No,
believe me if hairy legs and armpits were attractive even in the slightest then they WOULD NOT BE IN THESE MAGAZINES!
These photos arne’t taken by robots, they’re taken by a person- a whole team of people who know what they and many other people in the world find attractive.
Lots and lots of underarm and body hair is unattractive, simple as that. And if you want to do it then fine, but don’t start hating everyone that does ….. we actually have a BASIC level of respect for ourselves!!
I find this disgusting
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In renaissance Italy it was considered beautiful for women to pluck their eyebrows and hairline right back, at the same time in Japan the neck of a woman was considered her most beautiful feature, in medieval europe white skin was beautiful and a tan was ugly, and a man’s best feature was his calf muscles (hence all the tights). In the kayan culture women artificially extend their necks with rings to the point that their spines can no longer support them in the name of beauty, and have you ever heard of chinese foot binding?
For centuries people (most often women) have been doing bizzare things to their bodies in the name of beauty which, funnily enough, has morphed and changed over time. You have grown up in an age where body hair on women is considered unfeminine and unattractive and, not surprisingly, you subscribe to that view, and thats fine.
However; to say that any alternative view of beauty is impossible and ridiculous, or in your words, “disgusting” is narrow minded, bigoted and, frankly, quite wrong.
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Spot on, perfect, nothing to add to this!
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To some degree we are conditioned by what is normative at the time. I accept and agree with that. At one point in history ‘Rubenesque’ women were the height of beauty.
I believe that both genders are ‘hardwired’ to find certain things attractive though and this can’t be changed. If you did manage to get all women to stop shaving, men would still only go for the ‘hotter’ hairy girls. It wouldn’t change anything except women wouldn’t have to shave.
This would never happen though because some girl would quickly figure out that by shaving she could have better looking guys compared to her hairy sisters. You can’t unionise sexuality and many people will use whatever advantage they can get to get more attractive partners.
If you could enforce it you would end up with some weird feminist Taliban where people that shave get punished. Crazy.
If its any consolation I hit the gym mainly for confidence and health, but also because I’m competing against strong toned guys for the affections of beautiful women. Guys have their own expectations to meet.
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To N: Absolutely spot on. I can’t help but think of reading somewhere that people did, once upon a time grow their pubic hair very long and even attempt to braid it. I know it sounds nuts to us now. But our concept of beauty is utterly subjective. We just feel that its “right” because we’re accustomed to it. Anyway, one of the best posts I’ve read so far
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Oh for God’s sake its just hair, nothing else, just hair. And most of the men I have come across have it too!
Most women (I know a few that don’t shave) don’t grow that much hair under their arms, but really folks, its just hair – no less hygienic that on your head or your vulva! Just hair.
Any bye the way maybe women would find more men attractive if their removed all their hair too (hope you enjoy the waxing experience)!!!!
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Bleccchhhh…
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I wax/shave- arms, armipits, legs, brazillian, eyebrows.
I like the feel of it- fresh,smooth, clean.
its a personal choice.
My Partner also clippers and waxes most of his body…
each to their own i say!
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If she likes being hairy, go for it. I shave, put on make up, do my hair, to feel good about myself. I’m sure as hell not doing it for the general public. Everyone should work on the principal of doing what’s right for themselves. I’m blown away by how many comments are in favour of the hairiness. I personally can’t stand being hairy – you smell more, it’s itchy and irritating…..I could go on. I don’t want to see it on other people, but I’m not going to give them a hard time about it…..unless it makes smell badly……then it’s just about basic hygiene.
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It’s called personal hygene and it shouldn’t even have ANYTHING to do with feminism.
It up there with showering, it shouldnt be anyones ‘personal choice’. Is having a shower a personal choice? No, not at all, its part of basic hygene.
Frankly I think if you’re going to let your underarm hair grow to that ridiculous length, and your leg hair aswell to grow to that resembling a gorilla then you frankly and quite simply have NO respect for yourself whatsoever.
It’s disgusting and I don’t think she should condone it at all…… WHat a disgrace to all women she is!
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There is nothing inherently dirty about armpit hair. It gets washed like everything else in the shower. It’s not about hygiene, it’s about aesthetics, and as such, should be a personal choice. No-one should be vilified for not shaving something!
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Um… men’s underarm hair is that length. I assume you’re happy to include them in your ‘unhygienic gorillas with no self-respect’ accusations?
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I did think about men and why don’t they shave too….. but men’s view on hair and womens are VERY different
It’s like comparing apples and oranges. Men grow hair in many more differnet places than woman like their face and chest. You cannot compare
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hmm yes and women grow hair under their arms.. so it is quite natural to leave it too! just how it’s natural for a male to want to leave his facial and chest hair…
you’re incredibly conditioned
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For the sake of hygiene, I do hope you shave your head regularly.
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I’d sooner be hairy and ‘a disgrace to all women’ than be completely ignorant. I swear, where do you get your information from?
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Um, having a shower is a personal choice it’s just that most people choose to do it every day – if they didn’t then that would be entirely up to them, just like choosing to grow ‘gorilla’ hair under their arms.
Yes, due to society’s ‘rules’ Emma does not look attractive to most and it is quite a confronting sight but, to me, you calling her a disgrace to all women is the most confronting thing of all.
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Guess you’ll have to tell the entire male population that you find their underarm and leg hair disgusting as well then hey? Tell them they’re a disgrace to all manhood for their lack of hygiene? Tell them they have no self respect?
Far out.
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I find it sad that so many commenters are simply replying ‘gross!’ or ‘disgusting!’ and it’s widely accepted. How insecure must you be in yourself to start judging others on their aesthetic choices? Like tattoos or piercings – it’s only the people that don’t have tattoos that even care about tattooed people… it’s kind of icky.
Personally, I rarely shave my legs, I don’t get too fussed about my pits and sport a full bush. My husband still bangs me like a screen door in the wind, because I don’t allow hair to impact my confidence or sexuality. I don’t care if you do or don’t shave your naturally growing hair, but I do care if you start judging people based on your own personal choices. Seriously – grow up! It’s women like that who appear not to have grown out of the teenage conformity bubble.
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I heart you. Brilliant and hilarious – you go girl!
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Sarah, I LOVE the phrase “bangs me like a screen door in the wind.”
A little armpit hair is indeed good for you, because it absorbs sweat and doesn’t stink. But with regards to stinkiness, there’s always deodorant!
So you can grow that shit like a jungle if you want (as Amanda Palmer would say)!
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I LOVE Amanda Palmer – what a wonderful role model for women she is
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no need to say more – well put
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Good on her. I am really only concerned about my lady mo, I get that waxed every couple of months but the rest gets left weeks, even months at a time.
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I tried going hairy for a while, for the same reasons as Emer. What I found is that I was a lot more stinky/sweaty feeling and I didn’t like it. Yup, I know I’ve been conditioned against hair and smell but hey, you’ve got to pick your feminist battles and in the scheme of things it really doesn’t seem that important.
Also agree with other posters who pointed out the contradiction of her wearing full make up.
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I wonder if that depends on the person’s own sweat glands or something? I run 3-5 times a week and obviously get quite sweaty … sometimes I shave & sometimes I can go a good few months without doing so. I have not noticed (nor has anyone else commented on) an increase/decrease in odour related to the amount of hair I have. The biggest difference in odour I have found was when I went from using standard commercial spray anti-perspirant to more natural roll-on – possibly a little more sweat but MUCH less smell when I was sweaty.
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Gross. No excuse. Get rid of it
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My friend’s four-year-old asked me last week why I had a beard growing in my arm-pit. Clearly, it had been a while since I’d shaved. Oops.
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Lol. Gotta love the honesty of kids.
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My first reaction was “Eeek! Gross!” But I’m highly aware that my reaction is the result of social conditioning. Actually, I’m particularly sensitive when it comes to body/facial hair (i.e. arms/legs/brows/mo), having copped a little bit of teasing as a young tacker (“Hey, you’ve got really hairy arms. Did you know that?” One of the downsides of my Greek heritage, but hey, I did grow up having fetta in my sandwiches when most of my mates got stuck with Kraft Singles).
Kudos to Emer for having the confidence to go out there doing her own thing.
On a side note, I have just changed my bed sheets to flannelette for the cold weather. Flannelette sheets + freshly waxed legs = heaven!!!
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my first thought seeing this clip about Emer, were a bit divided. Somewhat she isn’t very convincing. She stopped shaving her body hair, but is wearing make-up, which kind of contradicts that whole image of her, because she believes that shaving or waxing is anti-feminist. Maybe the make-up is because she is in tv, but she could decline the make-up I guess.
Personally for me I like the look of my legs without the (gorilla)hair, and the armpits is a hygienic thing, just less smelly without the hair, as well as bikini zone. And since waxing my ladymo, I felt like a new life began(which was back when I was 16).
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I dislike underarm hair mainly because it leads to more body odour – the bacteria that causes BO has a greater surface area to hang onto when there is hair, so for me shaving my underarms is mainly for personal hygiene.
My legs, on the other hand, is because I like the feel. But I started shaving because I didn’t want to be left out, so maybe that says something else?
I will say that I like the fact thicker eyebrows are in vogue. It’s refreshing, and despite the fact that mine have always been thin, I like that it means younger girls are less likely to over-pluck.
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I have no problem with her being natural if that is what she chooses.
I choose to shave/wax because it makes me feel cleaner in myself, and I am always very conscious about my sweat and even with showering I don’t think I could comfortably be around other people if I was hairy.
It’s a personal choice and we shouldn’t judge others by what their choice is either way.
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I think it’s gross. That’s just my opinion.
I do think it’s strange that women are meant to be the hair-free ones and I wonder where that first started and why. But, in saying that, I’m glad we’re the hair-free ones! Waxed, shaved, whatever, hairless women look much more attractive!
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I look at it this way: if there were no men in this world would women care about their hairy legs/armpits? The answer is a resounding ‘no.’
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I disagree… women are the worst judges of other women, and so with no men in this world it would be just as bad.
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not a fan of the armpit hair, but gee she has great arms!
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There are plenty of women out there who don’t shave their legs or under their arms – my mum never has. Personal decision, these women don’t feel the need to go on TV and show the world that they have body hair. Why would they? Body hair or lack thereof is a small part of a person’s whole really…
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Well as a bloke I really don’t mind either way, the presence or lack of hair is not what attracts me to a woman. In the case of this story Emer is far more attractive than the salon owner who looks completely artificial.
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I’m Chewbacca in winter and a peeled boiled egg in summer. My choice. Partner likes it either way.
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This discussion reminds me of a novel I once read about a time traveling 20th century woman who goes back a couple hundred years and gets together with time local. She goes to great lengths to remove her body hair assuming her new man will be impressed. Instead he’s horrified and forbids her from doing it again, stating “I love ye the way ye arghhh”, or something to that effect. On the one hand I was slightly grossed out, but on the other, I’ll admit that the thought of someone loving every part of me made me feel just a little warm and fuzzy inside. (Sorry, couldn’t resist
It just puts a different spin on the discussion, would we grow it out if all of a sudden, men found it irresistible?
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Goodness, who cares enough what someone else does with their armpits to the point they feel ill? How pathetic.
Can’t say that what she does to herself really bothers me, but I’m not sure her experiment makes the point she’s trying to make as long as she’s still using makeup, wearing dresses and doing anything else which is seen as making herself attractive. Or maybe I’m just a bit obtuse today.
Personally, while I do shave my legs and armpits partly because my husband would no doubt prefer it….I mostly do it for me. My armpits because I find I get sweatier and smellier if I don’t, a d my legs because I just prefer how it looks. I’m not always vigilant about my legs though, so I wear jeans if it’s been a while….I have pasty pale skin and black hair – I find it looks a bit odd. There is no way in hell I’m getting brazilians. Sorry, but I’m a woman, not a 12 year old girl, and I’ve heard way too many first person horror stories.
I’m all for taking some pride in my appearance, and I hate the smell of body odour (and am paranoid about anyone else. Being able to smell me), so I’m always showered, deodorant-ed, perfumed and dressed neatly (if not always attractively lol) when I leave the house. That’s all would hope for from anyone else. I’m not sure where this desire to be plucked, tanned and plastic-ed into Barbie doll like appearance came from, but it’s bloody disturbing to see. It’s like the modern version of Brave New World or 1984….everyone thinking the same, trying to be the same and any individuality is something to be looked down on.
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The picture is a little shocking at first because we’re conditioned not to see that on a woman in this country. But then..meh. It’s not a huge deal. Just hair the way our bodies grow it. I say good on her for giving this subject more attention.
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