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Screen shot 2012 09 03 at 12.45.32 PM1 Mamamia has a new commenting policy.

This is technically not our commenting policy however….

In the five years Mamamia has been going, comments have been a really valued part of the site and we’ve always asked that you imagine you’re at a dinner party when you’re commenting.

That means that “differences of opinion are welcome but you need to keep it respectful or the host will show you the door”.

Here’s the thing: this year the dinner party has grown. A lot. In fact we’re not so much hosting a dinner party any more, as a giant pot luck get together with 500,000 or so of our closest friends.

And that’s great. As Mamamia grows, so does our fantastic community of readers. That means more wonderful and insightful writers on the site and more interesting and diverse opinions being offered in comments.

But it also means more family tiffs. A few more invited guests who don’t particularly get on and some gate crashers who come to deliberately cause trouble (it also means more technical bugs that we try to fix as soon as we can).

So we’re changing our comments policy. Mamamia is no longer a one-woman-in-her-lounge-room-with-a-laptop-show and we’re amending our dinner party rules accordingly.

darth troll Mamamia has a new commenting policy.From now on the Mamamia Team and our Community Moderators will be more actively deleting any comments that are rude or disrespectful to the author, to the MM team or to other commenters.

This includes comments that are mean-spirited, aggressive, snarky, bitchy and comments that try to bait, mock or taunt other commenters or Mamamia staff.

Tell us your opinion. Enter the debate. But if you can’t make your point without being bitchy or snarky or just downright mean  – we don’t want to hear it. And we won’t help you broadcast it to our wonderful community.

Please be clear: you do not have a RIGHT to have your comment published here on Mamamia. Just like you get to decide what comments from other people you leave up on your Facebook wall, we get to decide what is published here. As does every other website.

We carefully choose the posts we want to publish acccording to the tone we want to promote on the site. And the same goes for the comments. We are not prepared to provide a stage and a megaphone for people who simply wish to abuse us or others. Would you?

And no, this has nothing to do with disagreeing with the writer of the post or the views of anyone on the editorial team. At Mamamia, we have never shied away from diversity of opinion and that will not change. Discussions are dull when everyone is in violent agreement. But when that diversity becomes unnecessarily negative and adds nothing to the discussion, it will be deleted immediately.

Mamamia has always been a warm and welcoming place to be and that’s something we are determined to continue. So the vast majority of our readers can feel safe and comfortable to express themselves thoughtfully and constructively in the comments section.

These new rules will ensure that remains the case. Our commenting policy – that you will see at the bottom of every post now reads like this:

the fonz 177x236 Mamamia has a new commenting policy.

Just. Be cool. Like the Fonz.

Imagine you’re at a dinner party. Different opinions are welcome but keep it respectful or the host will show you the door. We have zero tolerance for any abuse of our writers, our editorial team or other commenters. So if you’re rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy, your comment will be deleted (so will any replies to the original comment – so don’t bother arguing with rude people, instead just hit the ‘alert moderator’ button).

And if you’re offensive, you’ll be blacklisted and all your comments will go directly to spam. Remember what Fonzie was like? Cool. That’s how we’re going to be – cool. Have fun and thanks for adding to the conversation…

Of course your feedback is important to us and we want to hear it – as long as it’s constructive and expressed politely. So we will also be introducing a fortnightly ‘Ask Mamamia’ post. Is there something you want to ask the Mamamia team? Anything at all?

Well – here’s your place to do it. This is the first one. YOU ARE IN IT RIGHT NOW. TODAY.

Here is the place for you to let us know story ideas you might have, to make suggestions about the site and tell us what you’d like to see more of. We’d also like to know what you really love. Let’s try to keep it constructive, OK?

We’ll be checking in regularly and responding to your questions as much as we can.

Peace out.

 

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Comment Guidelines : Imagine you’re at a dinner party. Different opinions are welcome but keep it respectful or the host will show you the door. We have zero tolerance for any abuse of our writers, our editorial team or other commenters. So if you’re rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy, your comment will be deleted (so will any replies to the original comment – so don’t bother arguing with rude people, instead just hit the ‘alert moderator’ button).
And if you’re offensive, you’ll be blacklisted and all your comments will go directly to spam. Remember what Fonzie was like? Cool. That’s how we’re going to be – cool. Have fun and thanks for adding to the conversation…

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547 Comments so far

  1. Betsy

    I am so glad you have done this, I had stopped visiting as the comments were ruining my day.

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  2. Tony

    I agree, it is possible to disagree with respect and manners …

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  3. marniequin2

    I am very glad that you will reject “comments that are mean-spirited, aggressive, snarky, bitchy and comments that try to bait, mock or taunt other commenters or Mamamia staff.”

    I’d like to think contributors could also express themselves without resorting to words such as ‘bitch’ : ‘douche’ ; ‘douche bag’ and teenage talk e.g. ‘putting on big girl pants’. Let’s grow up. Thank you.

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  4. kiks

    I’m a little worried about this new policy. I can understand wanting to delete abusive remarks that don’t add to discussions but deleting “bitchy” and “snarky” is very subjective. Sometimes one person sees something as snarky or bitchy and another sees it as humorous. I have always loved it here and enjoyed the discussions even when I have been criticised and I realise no one has a right to their comment being published but my concern is the subjectivity of some aspects of this new policy.

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  5. Jess

    Oh! I have an idea to save you the hours of mediating comments. Put a little ‘report’ button next to the ‘reply’ button on the bottom of comments. They can get sent to you and save you a lot of time.

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    • Fiona Hogan

      Jess you need payment – that’s a great idea.
      And MM, good on you, accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative

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  6. Differing opinion

    Love Jamila. All her articles have real -guts- and there is this real ‘humane’ feel in her words. I have really only started to read this site regularly since she came on board.

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  7. Gin & Tonic

    Happy Happy Happy

    Ive mentioned many times that I left a well known parenting website, after 8 years of loving it, when I copped abuse for my sausage roll recipe. It just got too big and it lost its community feel so people started being mean.

    I have started to feel that MM was heading in that same direction. Thanks for rescuing it, and i might even share my sausage roll recipe one day.

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  8. Anonymous

    I think it’s fine to delete replies to other peoples comments when they’re snarky, rude, etc
    But if MM is going to start deleting whole comments – we deserve a reason. Because otherwise how will we know what it is about our comments that you don’t like. Was it the tone, language, or was it just that we are really passionate about a subject and you don’t agree with us??
    I hope these changes make MM a nicer place.

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    • Mia

      I’m afraid time does not permit us to email someone with reasons every time we delete a comment otherwise we would never be able to run the site or publish anything!

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  9. mobilemama

    awesome

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  10. Anonymous - sorry!

    Hmmm….now I’m getting a little worried. So the MM team are also considering pre-moderating?? Therefore never will I be able to read the responses to an article and trust that they represent a good cross-section of the community. The ed team may have all the good intentions in the world to be objective but they are human and I am concerned that this website will simply be a one-sided viewpoint, or at least very heavily slanted towards one view-point.

    The passionate responses are the most interesting, in fact 90% of responses on MM say nothing at all except “yes, me too” which is tedious.

    Haven’t we got enough control of our media in this country? The MM website was one place where we could say what we wanted and know it would be published. Couldn’t you just settle for our promise to be polite in future?

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    • Bradley

      I’d say….please….no pre-moderating. It could lead to 47 people saying the exact same thing because they didn’t know that Fred or Freda Bloggs had already said it. Must say, I do have some concerns, like Anon-Sorry, that pre-moderation could turn the site into a yes, me too, love what you’ve said one stop shop.

      Trust us all to play by the rules. :)

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  11. Casey

    Brilliant new policy. I love reading the articles and some of the comments they attract, but every time I read a comment taking a dig at the author or the site, I would think “then WHY do you keep coming back and reading the articles if they bother you that much?”.

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  12. Miss Finance

    I personally love Jamila’s contribution here. She’s funny, intelligent and knowledgeable… I always enjoy her articles. I also enjoy the glimpses we get of her clothes, a lot.

    As for MM reserving the right to “mould the tone/opinion of the comments”… First off, I don’t agree that they’re doing that at all, I think they’re just trying to keep it civil – something many commenters on here have requested over the past few months. Secondly, even if they do have some big conspiracy to have the commenters here appear to be agreeing with them on all matters then that is their right! It seems unlikely and counter-productive to do so but if that’s what they really want then they are allowed to, it’s not up to us to tell them how to run their business.

    A lot of commenters on here seem to have a real feeling of entitlement when it comes to this site. They seem to forget that they are simply one of many, many readers and other stakeholders involved in this site and that sometimes their *very important opinion* and their *very important demands* are not the first thing on the MM team’s list to attend to (or even on the list at all!).

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  13. amyspeak

    I’m really glad there’s been an update to the commenting policy, hopefully it helps foster more engaging discussions.

    My only concern with the new policy is the blacklisting and automatic spam treatment. Snark, aggression etc can be very subjective (especially online where it’s harder to convey tone)…So what if the moderators deem a post snarky, aggressive etc and then blacklist a commenter that may have had good intentions?

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  14. Jane*

    Haven’t read all of the comments here yet, so it could have been mentioned, but how about a managing your money post or series — could cover stuff like superannuation, saving tips, etc. and have a female slant.

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    • amyspeak

      Hi Jane, I agree completely with you, it would be great to see finance topics covered here.

      I’ve written personal finance articles for a range of different websites over the past five years and it’s definitely a male-dominated field, despite being relevant to everyone.

      So if you do run with this idea Mamamia, I’d put my hand up to contribute!

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  15. Hannah

    Bring back the Expat Files! As a person who has been an expat, I think these are always a really interesting read

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    • londoneye

      Oh yes please. As an expat myself I love reading about the trials and tribulations of living abroad :-)

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    • Selina

      I loved those posts!

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  16. ameliastclair

    So so pleased that this has been implemented. Having been on the receiving end of some horrible comments (‘the author clearly agrees with killing babies’ and the like) I’m pleased to see a system which will help protect the integrity of healthy discussion and weed out the unnecessary and blatantly mean comments. Bring it on!

    Amelia, MM Community Moderator

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  17. ameliastclair

    Sorry to hear you’ve not been enjoying the site as much lately Alana, Lana certainly is missed! You can pop over to iVillage if you miss her, she’s still alive (and lovely!!)

    Personally I think Jamilia is great fun – maybe give her another chance! She’s engaging and doesn’t shy away from anything on here, I’d say she’s found her feet and is up and running! Just my opinion of course and you’re entitled to your own. The site has undergone a lot of changes of late so maybe there was something else you haven’t been enjoying?

    Regardless, I hope you dip another toe in the MM pool :)

    Amelia, MM Community Moderator

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  18. Bryter Later

    I totally get that Mia’s News Ltd opinion columns need to have more of an edge and a hook (that what sells papers and drives web hits), but sometimes the opinions and writing can be so exaggerated that it often sits at odds with the “dinner party” intentions of the site. The News Ltd column has obviously resulted in a hell of an increase in site traffic but it’s also been a direct contributor to the heated nature of the comments. If you want a more respectful audience, you need to provide less sensational content.

    For what it’s worth, I prefer the more down-to-earth Mia, such as today’s column about the word ‘sexy’. It was honest, funny and straightforward and seemed to kickstart some interesting, collaborative discussion and commentary. Not every post needs to be like this, but I did appreciate it’s “realness”.

    On another point, I really like the work of Jamila and Bec in particular, but I have noticed that their style of writing, as well as the other members of staff and freelancers, has (unintentionally?) started to imitate Mia’s. They do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but it does make the site seem a little one note.

    Perhaps the site would benefit from cultivating a more diverse pool of writers — more male voices in particular — as well as an experienced sub editor; a dedicated editor who stays away from moderating comments but simply focuses on subbing, i.e. checking the columns for stylistic and factual accuracy, suggesting better structure and form, writing snappy headlines, etc. As a publisher, I’d love to see Mia champion old school standards and practices in her new media startup.

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    • amyspeak

      I would definitely like to see more male voices on the site! Actually, yes to your whole last paragraph Bryter :)

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    • Jess

      Bryter, I agree completey. I noticed the same thing about Jamila and Bec’s writing. I remember reading one of Jamila’s articles on feminism and thinking – this may as well be written by Mia, it sounds exactly like her. Obviously, I understand that two people can feel the same way about a certain issue but to write an article in the exact same manner is a bit much. Perhaps it could be an unconscious thing like you suggest.

      And yes to more male voices, I think even just having one regular male writer (like when Rick was around) makes such a huge difference.

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    • LadyChaka

      Agree with you. If you look at a site like, say, Sarah Wilson’s, mostly there aren’t bullyish comments because her content is, albeit rather zen, but she herself very much avoids being overly critical of or towards others. It’s a two-way street – you really do get back what you give out. I wholeheartedly support the new commenting policy, and I hope it means the tone of some regular writers is raised too. :)

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  19. Bradley

    I’m still waiting for Jamila to respond to my request to become a community moderator.

    Patience is a virtue !

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  20. Regrets...

    Have been reflecting on why im not liking this site as much as I used to. And yes, a lot of it comes down to the snarky comments. But what I find interesting is that the snarky bitchy comments really started to take off when the regular male commentors left. Hilarious! it was like this chick’s forum needed a few blokes to keep the bitchiness in check. Just like real life, I guess.

    Oh, and I think if I see another post on bloody vaccinations I’ll stab myself with a needle.

    When this site was devlopeing there were lot more posts by ‘readers’ who wrote in with problems and everyone would comment on them and make suggestions. Mia always said that there would be follow ups to tell us what happened to these people. But nada.

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  21. kaufman

    would it be possible for mamamia to do a post on how to meet new people if you are shy/awkward amongst company?

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  22. Anonymous

    More fact-checking, more proof-reading, and less sensationalism, please.

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  23. Bradley

    Let me guess….the spell caster is really a prince from Nigeria and he only needs a small amount from each of us to help save the throne ?

    Sorry Mary but I’m one of those people who believe in the old maxim, if it seems too good to be true…then it probably is.

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  24. A-nonny-nonny

    I would like to see (more) posts on:

    * education and schooling – particularly in light of the Gonski report and Julia Gillard’s recent announcements. Given that parenting is one of the topics of focus on this site, I would think it a fairly natural ft and something that would be of interest to lots of readers.

    * “sealed section” questions and issues – they seemed to be a weekly event until fairly recently, but then stopped. Where did they go? Or have I just missed the postings?

    I would like to see fewer posts on:

    * “mummy wars” – apart from being inflammatory, they are very divisive. Plus these ar the sorts of posts which attract the most “anti-dinner-party etiquette” style comments.

    * vaccination v anti-vaccination posts – neither side will convince the other via sites like this and, like the mummy wars posts, these sorts of posts are primarily inflammatory and divisive. Additionally, following the dinner party rules, if I knew there was an anti-vaccinator present at my dinner party, I wouldn’t go on and on about my pro-vaccination views (as much as I might like to) or vice versa.

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  25. D wilkinson

    Great idea guys wish all sites were like this

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  26. Polly

    Bother. I came to this article late and it is a subject near and dear to my heart. I live in hope that someone has expressed my view.

    I understand the policy as stated. I don’t always understand it as it is applied. I have had many a comment deleted that I did not consider disrespectful, snarky etc. Sometimes it seems that they were deleted because they went against the trend of opinion. More often than not, it is just simply inexplicable.

    Perhaps the Mamamia Team could give an explanation before deleting? I don’t think abusive needs an explanation but snarky most certainly would.
    And we all learn by example.

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  27. Mum of 2

    I am the mum of 2 beautiful toddlers, and once when I was getting stressed about something, someone kindly said to me “little people, little problems, big people, big problems”.
    I would love to read an article, maybe from you Mia, about the differences in parenting a toddler and a teenager, esp since you do it at the same time.
    Thanks.

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  28. Vanessa

    Good on you MM! I’ve been turned off the site by the general horribleness of comments recently, and often too afraid to post. But I shan’t be any longer!

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  29. neola

    I thought Lana was really nice and sweet to everyone, much like Bec – but I think Jamila’s got real chutzpah – a bit like Kate Hunter! Both styles have something to offer.

    I like Jamila, I find her comments and posts well written, funny and interesting. I also like that she doesn’t shy away from stating her opinion and she knows that it’s only hers. The diversity keeps things interesting.

    Speaking of diversity – I know we can’t have Rick back, and we can’t clone him, but I loved him. Nice to feel like there’s someone in the team who isn’t gushing over sparkly shoes. Same reason I loved the comments and occasional posts by John James (atheism) and Idle Dad (marijuana and kids). Oh, and Sean Power is great too!

    Would love to see a smart, savvy, funny guy who goes against the grain becoming a regular in the MM team.

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    • Mia

      Good points Neola. We try to feature blokes writing here for diff viewpoints. Will look harder!

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  30. graciousr

    Excellent! I don’t always comment, but I do like a good read through them. I relish reading robust discussion and debate but the narkiness was pretty awful. I wrote a comment once, saying as a younger woman with no kids yet, I find it difficult to cope with the slightly lecturing tone of parents.

    Someone commented on my post telling me to ‘shaaauttt the f*ck up’.

    Granted, I was having a whinge, but I read that comment at 10.30pm, just before bed, and it really upset me.

    I’m not saying people can’t tell me that I’m being a bit of a whinger and if someone had pointed out that I’m probably being a bit oversensitive without the swearing then that would have been ok.

    It stopped me from visiting mamamia for a few days, and I certainly never went back to that particular article to read the comments.

    Anyways, just wanted to share my experience, and say thanks!

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    • Phoodietweets

      Shame man, that sucks…..

      I’m so sorry you had to have that experience just before bed…. I can TOTALLY relate to that…. I once got an incredibly nasty email in the middle of the night (I was up feeding my newborn) and I just could NOT get back to sleep….. Was horrible…

      We’re glad you’re back and we will definitely be on the look out for people who are here to cause upset…… As the team have said a thousand times, bring on the debate! Bring on the billion different ideas and opinions! Bring on disagreement! But it all has to be expressed respectfully.

      :)

      Phoodie – MM Community Moderator

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  31. Anon-y-mous

    “So if you’re rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy, your comment will be deleted ”

    Oh yay, MM is turning into a rainbows, fairyfloss and happy happy joy joy website, where only happy comments will be allowed.

    What ONE person deems rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy, another may not and vice versa.

    Anyone who diverts from the “sheep” and comments as a minority on this website is often described as rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy to name just a few.

    Having a differing opinion or one in the minority is often seen as being argumentative or worse trolling. A website that borders on a forum such as MM, needs the minorities commenting, needs their voices to be heard otherwise this website is going to get boring very quickly.

    And as someone else said earlier, if you expect YOUR commentators to be adhere to these new rules you’ve created, then your writers, editors and contributors must too and you really need to seriously think before you publish an article if it will incite a heated response in the comments section that you may consider rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy because if it’s likely to, then really the blame should fall back on the person who hit publish on the story.

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    • ameliastclair

      Hi Anon-y-mous, thanks for the feedback! MM is just trying to find a way to make commenters feel more welcome and have a community with less nastiness! Can’t be a bad thing, right! All comments will be allowed – as long as they’re friendly :)

      Amelia – MM Community Moderator

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  32. Snow

    This is good news :)
    I would love to read more articles on medical issues, babies, children and relationships. I love the articles like “is my kid normal” etc. I feel like I can really learn from others when the post is so open

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    • ameliastclair

      Sounds great, Snow! They’re my favourite articles too – medical and babies!

      Amelia, MM Community Moderator

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  33. Anonymous

    I second the idea that you should have to login to leave a comment.

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  34. Lucinda

    It seems there is a general consensus that articles written to inflame incite inflammatory comments. Sounds like we are voting for a two way street. Let’s hope MM are listening.

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  35. Crystalanne83

    My question is – can someone please give me the link to the story that you ran on refugees and people smugglers a while back. From memory it was about how we hail the people smugglers who helped Jews escape etc. I can’t find it :(

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  36. Happymum

    I have been a long time commenter here, and I must say as the site has grown and more people drop in it has brought a lot of people who aren’t as respectful when they debate on here. I have stopped commenting so much, because I feel I would be shouted down into submission anyway. I welcome the new commenting policy and I hope that it brings the change that the site needs.

    I do think that it would be great if everyone could choose a name. I like to have the choice of commenting under anon too, as I am worried about being “outed” if I do talk about stuff that makes it easy for people to figure out who I am and where I llive.

    Anon is ok if there isn’t 20 or 30 on each post when it is tricky to figure out which anon on a thread. I think the “we are only a team of 5 people” is overused and if the site has tech issues because of the traffic, you either need to limit the amount of people on the site (which would never happen). Or, upgrade the servers and infrastructure to accommodate the visitors. It shits me to tears when I write a comment and it disappears. Or whilst I am writing one the site reboots itself for no reason and the comment is gone. Also, the comment box is hard to write in when the cursor disappears and it seems like it is too slow to handle things too.

    I used to like when you could see who liked your post too, I guess it wouldn’t work to bring it back due to the size of the site.

    I will applaud you on the Coal Seam Gas article Rick wrote. I bleated for a long time about it and I am grateful that you constructed a cheat sheet about it. More cheat sheets, less political stuff from Jamilla (as it is too biased) More balance and less mummy war stuff and I will be a happy camper.

    I likes the post today Mia wrote up asking for advice about the sexy talk with her daughter. I remember when Mia did a heap of posts, and she was the reason I turned up here every day to read her posts on life and motherhood. I really like posts like that as they don’t pit women against women for the choices they make. I like a bit of fluff as I have abandoned gossip rags for good. I also like a bit more news and some differing opinion without hearing from Catherine Deveny ever again. I find her posts pretty off and her opinion drags this site down a bit.

    I would like to see a post on commenting ettiquette too. For the broader community who have never posted on a website before. I think the rules are good, but we need to be able to have some guidance – lots of people would benefit from it.

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    • becauseimthemum

      Well said Happymum. You took the words right out of my mouth! :)

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    • Olympia

      Fully agree with all you have said. Less Mummy wars, less Catherine Deveny, more Mia, more intelligent discussion please. And if Rick was still there, I’d say lots more Rick too!

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    • Bradley

      Less Catherine Deveny ?

      No Catherine Deveny, please !

      Without doubt, one of the most divisive “commentators” out there.

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      • Jess

        I agree with no Catherine Deveny please!

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  37. ish

    Great idea and it is your site so you have every right to set the tone and delete inappropriate comments. I love that section you used to have documenting bargain finds. Something like that but focused on fashion could be really fun. I also think a wedding section would be interesting. I am getting married next Jan but have.always loved weddings and love mamamia so that’s my choice. Either way keep up the great work !

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  38. Kerr

    Please find sometimeskaren and tell her to come back and play! Better yet, get her to host a weekly post where we can all ask each other for help/advice, hosted by her.

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    • Kerr

      The group thearpy post, that one!

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    • sometimeskaren

      Hi Kerr! I was told via Twitter that someone was asking about me! Aren’t you sweet – and yeh I’m SURE I’m qualified to start handing out advice ;-)

      I made the decision last Dec to stay off MM for a few reasons, but mainly because of the enormous amount of time I’d spend reading everyone’s comments. Hopeless!

      In the meantime, I started my own little family blog (which is currently on hiatus but will be resuscitated next Monday) at tinytrifles.blogspot.com.au Please stop by and say hi, I’d love to chat to you!

      And thanks :)

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  39. Anonymous

    Go to ABC1 website and check out Tara Moss on Q and A last night. Sophisticated, articulate and extremely gracious in the way she expressed her opinion on a range of topics.

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  40. Alex

    I would love to see more political articles, possibly on how the various policies/promises may affect your readers – I realise that politics is always shaky ground at a dinner party but its always (ok, not always, but often), interesting to read the comments. I also love the frivolous articles, the quandries of motherhood, and the best/worst of the week always brings a smile (and often a tear)
    I love mamamia, it’s my nightcap (as in- instead of whiskey), and also love the varied comments
    keep up the awesome work

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  41. Bradley

    I do recommend that you take a look at Joe Hilderbrand’s blog. He has written an article about the anti-offensive offensive. Every word that could possibly cause offense to someone, somewhere has been left out.

    A fine example of what could happen….

    Bound to raise a smile, here and there.

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  42. Anonymous

    Let’s not turn into sheep!

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  43. Lora

    That’s great! As a long term reader of Mamamia I’ve watched as some of the comments have grown bitchier and snarkier over the years/ months, so I’m glad to see that you’re enforcing a polite policy.

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  44. K8e.

    Excited by the ‘new’ dinner party/potluck rules, thanks MM.

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  45. Anonymous

    This is awesome!!!

    but does this mean that you will be nice as well?

    I found you have incited hatred towards some people and minority groups too. So, will you play nice too?

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    • Anon

      So agree. Mia left a comment after one of my posts that I found to be just rude and sarcastic. She didn’t convert me to her opinion. She just made herself sound opinionated, unpleasant and ungracious.

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      • Sydgel

        Well Mia is just like us human, and I completely understand that she would get frustrated (not at you of course but in general). We have to understand that she is experiencing this – the criticism and the whinging, bitching etc (again not referring to you) a thousand times more than any of us.

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    • Anonymous

      I hope this question gets addressed. Most people have the ability to read between the lines and recognise a snarky or bitchy attitude when they see one.

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    • Kate Hunter

      Hi Anonymous, Mia and the ed team and the moderators are human, not robots. There’s interpretation involved in replying to and deleting comments. There’s no absolute formula – we’re having a conversation, not marking maths exams. Just as commenters are sometimes surprised at what people read into their comments, so are we when people detect a tone we didn’t intend. Everyone is doing their best.

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  46. carosmile

    I totally advocate this. Different insights, opinions and perspectives do not need to be conveyed in an aggressive, inflammatory nature.

    It becomes more about the emotion and anger when people feel the need to belittle and demean others because they are not liking what they are hearing/reading.

    It can also get in the way of what may be a very interesting contrary or controversial perspective that may be worth considering.

    Personally I like to consider, learn, grow etc. Rather than having to bear witness to a dummy spit or vitriol.

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  47. Leah

    Love it! It is your website and if people don’t like the stories simply don’t read them. Many people are telling you guys what not to write about and that people are judged or crucified by specific stories – DON’T READ THEM! The ‘Mummy Wars’ are happening in reader’s comments not by a story written. I loved the Germaine Greer story – Mia’s opinion! I have also really appreciated the stories about immunisation, formula feeding . . . I could go on . . . that as a first time mum have really helped me out!
    Thank you Mamamia!

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    • Bradley

      I respectfully disagree with you. Telling people not to read an article if they don’t like it is the same as the cliche that I detest the most….if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Ultimately, there is no polite way to say “p**s off”.

      As I have previously stated, some of the best comments happen when the writer is not a fan of the subject of the article.

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      • Leah

        My point is really about the comments on this story where people have said that MM should change the content of their stories. Why should a select few dictate what I and others enjoy reading?
        I like reading people’s varied opinions and debate. However, I find it boring reading attacks on the writer saying that they are inciting conflict amongst the readers, when the real issue is that they don’t agree with someone else’s opinion.

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        • Anonymous - sorry!

          What we were saying Leah is that the ed team need to follow the dinner party rules too. Would Mia really say to a mother at a dinner party that she is a bad parent for not immunising her child? Think not. So the rules apply to everyone. And btw, how can we tell that something is offensively written unless we read it first? It is not the topic that offends but the spirit in which it is written. So for all of us, let’s just respect one another.

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          • Leah

            They are the host of the party. So they get to determine the content of discussion, whether the guest likes it or not. I suppose it is like being at their home – their rules. At a real dinner party you can argue and debate, but if you don’t like the line of conversation you can leave or choose to not partake in the discussion.
            I’m not sure what Mia would say to a parent at a dinner party about not immunising their child if that was a point of discussion. However, I stand by what I said – if you don’t like the content why read it? I personally read a title and if it interests me I read it, if I read half way and it is not something I want to read – I stop. Likewise I know Mia’s opinions on immunisation so I read the stories about this topic. If I didn’t agree with her opinion I wouldn’t be bothered reading.
            So what I am saying Anonymous – sorry! is that I don’t want other people dictating the content of MM just because you don’t agree with it. I like the diverse content. In my original post I only cited a couple of stories that I enjoyed reading which also had (to me) the same boring reader comment of the writer being offensive. Really if the spririt, tone, opinions offends – don’t read on.
            If I had a dinner party and we were discussing immunisation, I would personally tell my guests they were a bad parent if they didn’t immunise their children. I would also tell them how they were putting others at risk because of their negligence. Furthermore I would probably show them facts and data from the MM website to support it!

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    • Lisa66

      Totally agree Leah. Mamamia has a huge readership and obviously we are not all going to like the same things. I love the political commentary and stories about current issues like asylum seekers, changes in education etc. My kids are older so I’m not so interested in things like breast vs bottle etc, but I just don’t click on those type of stories. I know that as a young mum I would have loved to be reading about the issues that affected me at that time of my life. Surely there’s room on here for diversity.

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      • Bradley

        I agree with your point about diversification, Lisa.

        It keeps things interesting, even if you don’t have a huge interest in the topic of some articles. I personally think that a negative comment here and there will encourage new thoughts and ideas amongst the readers.

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  48. Claire

    Thank you for making these changes. Let’s hope others follow.

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  49. Emma

    This is so good! If people cannot debate constructively and politely then I agree their comments don’t belong here. Well done MM!

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