Last month Ashley Judd appeared on a Canadian talk show to promote her new television series Missing. After the show was aired the media began to speculate. Not about the TV series but whether or not Judd had had injectable fillers.
Judd usually ignores the media “I do not want to give my power, my self-esteem, or my autonomy, to any person, place, or thing outside myself. I thus abstain from all media about myself…. casting one’s lot with the public is dangerous and self-destructive, and I value myself too much to do that”
But the furor about her ‘puffy’ face has caused Judd to react and to set the record straight. She writes for The Daily Beast
A brief analysis demonstrates that the following “conclusions” were all made on the exact same day, March 20, about the exact same woman (me), looking the exact same way, based on the exact same television appearance. The following examples are real, and come from a variety of (so-called!) legitimate news outlets (such as HuffPo, MSNBC, etc.), tabloid press, and social media:
One: When I am sick for more than a month and on medication (multiple rounds of steroids), the accusation is that because my face looks puffy, I have “clearly had work done,” with otherwise credible reporters with great bravo “identifying” precisely the procedures I allegedly have had done.
Two: When my skin is nearly flawless, and at age 43, I do not yet have visible wrinkles that can be seen on television, I have had “work done,” with media outlets bolstered by consulting with plastic surgeons I have never met who “conclude” what procedures I have “clearly” had. (Notice that this is a “back-handed compliment,” too—I look so good! It simply cannot possibly be real!)
Three: When my 2012 face looks different than it did when I filmed Double Jeopardy in 1998, I am accused of having “messed up” my face (polite language here, the F word is being used more often), with a passionate lament that “Ashley has lost her familiar beauty audiences loved her for.”
Four: When I have gained weight, going from my usual size two/four to a six/eight after a lazy six months of not exercising, and that weight gain shows in my face and arms, I am a “cow” and a “pig” and I “better watch out” because my husband “is looking for his second wife.” (Did you catch how this one engenders competition and fear between women? How it also suggests that my husband values me based only on my physical appearance? Classic sexism. We won’t even address how extraordinary it is that a size eight would be heckled as “fat.”)
Five: In perhaps the coup de grace, when I am acting in a dramatic scene in Missing—the plot stating I am emotionally distressed and have been awake and on the run for days—viewers remarks ranged from “What the f–k did she do to her face?” to cautionary gloating, “Ladies, look at the work!” Footage from “Missing” obviously dates prior to March, and the remarks about how I look while playing a character powerfully illustrate the contagious and vicious nature of the conversation. The accusations and lies, introduced to the public, now apply to me as a woman across space and time; to me as any woman and to me as every woman.
Just imagine reading that about yourself. Seriously.
But what irks Judd about all this vitriol directed at her is where it is coming from. And it’s coming from women. She says:
“This conversation was initially promulgated largely by women; a sad and disturbing fact. (That they are professional friends of mine, and know my character and values, is an additional betrayal.)
News outlets with whom I do serious work, such as publishing op-eds about preventing HIV, empowering poor youth worldwide, and conflict mineral mining in Democratic Republic of Congo, all ran this “story” without checking with my office first for verification, or offering me the dignity of the opportunity to comment. It’s an indictment of them that they would even consider the content printable, and that they, too, without using time-honored journalistic standards, would perpetuate with un-edifying delight such blatantly gendered, ageist, and mean-spirited content.
…Why was a puffy face cause for such a conversation in the first place? How, and why, did people participate? If not in the conversation about me, in parallel ones about women in your sphere? What is the gloating about? What is the condemnation about? What is the self-righteous alleged “all knowing” stance of the media about?
If this conversation about me is going to be had, I will do my part to insist that it is a feminist one, because it has been misogynistic from the start. Who makes the fantastic leap from being sick, or gaining some weight over the winter, to a conclusion of plastic surgery? Our culture, that’s who. The insanity has to stop, because as focused on me as it appears to have been, it is about all girls and women. In fact, it’s about boys and men, too, who are equally objectified and ridiculed, according to heteronormative definitions of masculinity that deny the full and dynamic range of their personhood. It affects each and every one of us, in multiple and nefarious ways: our self-image, how we show up in our relationships and at work, our sense of our worth, value, and potential as human beings.
Are women overly critical of each other? Do you ever comment on the looks and “suspected” cosmetic surgeries of other women?






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I don’t get why people are so yay for this mammamia piece. It’s as awful as network news reporting: 1) here’s the story. 2) Here are massive chunks of what the subject had to say, no real opinion or discussion by the reporter/s. 3) Let’s see what the audience has to say!
How about instead of asking everyone, put forward a view, or a number of views, and THEN ask the readership? I don’t have an issue with Judd or this piece, but the presentation or lack thereof.
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“If this conversation about me is going to be had, I will do my part to insist that it is a feminist one, because it has been misogynistic from the start.” and “This conversation was initially promulgated largely by women; a sad and disturbing fact”. So females are misogynists and hence hate females.
Now we are getting some where.
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OH M Y GOD. Enough already!
Ashley Judd is an incredibly talented actress & drop dead gorgeous to boot.
This stupid society/world we live in places WAY TOO MUCH emphasis on looks. We need to stop this for our daughter’s and granddaughter’s sake!
I feel for Ashley Judd. She has so eloquently portrayed what a viscous animal other ppl can be.
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All the speculation about looks, pregnancy, whos snogging who etc adnauseum, is one of the grubbiest aspects of the modern cult of celebrity facscination. Ashely Judd is clearly an intelligent and thoughtful person (sadly, something that will never be of interest itself to the gawking masses) and perhaps her best bet is to simply rise above and ignore the speculators.
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I have to disagree that ignoring the speculators is the way to go. I’m glad she’s called the media out on what they’ve written about her. If more celebrities did this, the more chance there will be of fair treatment (particularly for women) and balanced media reporting.
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I didn’t think I could love her more than I did when she wore a ‘This is what a Feminist looks like’ T-shirt, but I love her even more now. She is just great.
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Just became a huge fan of Ashley Judd!! In particular because she doesn’t really get into whether or not she has had surgery, but more so focuses on preconceptions and the unfair scrutiny that is forever surrounding us all.
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The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it’s real because that’s how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it’s very brightly coloured, and it’s very loud and it’s fun, for a while.
Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question – is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say ‘Hey! Don’t worry, don’t be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.’
And we…kill those people. Ha ha ha. ‘Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and family. This just has to be real.’
It’s just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn’t matter because: it’s just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It’s only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings, and money.
A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourselves off.
The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here’s what you can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defence each year, and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, for ever, in peace.
-Bill Hicks
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Um, on what planet is this writing considered erudite? It reads like a first year sociology paper. Don’t be fooled by the big words, kids. It’s embarrassing how hard she’s trying to be considered ‘smart’. Like, using 10 words when 3 will suffice. Promulgated? Ffffff cut the fluff and what’s your point exactly?
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Jeez. Harsh, much? As a postgrad Sociology student, I think her response was both erudite and accessible.
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I think her point is loud and clear; that she is being torn down in a misoginistic fashion in spite of her credibility and goodwill. Her expression is poignant but probably the least interesting thing about this article.
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Who cares if it reads like a “first year sociology paper” she makes a valid piont. Lets not get all high and mighty about it.
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People talking smack about ‘all the work’ Ashley Judd has had done makes me rage *almost* as much as the movie critics who say Jennifer Lawrence is too fat to be in The Hunger Games.
Note to self:
Dear Self,
Be glad you don’t work in Hollywood, because people won’t tear you down for how you look for the rest of your life.
Love, self.
PS – You’re a bit of alright just the way you are.
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i think ashley judd is not only beautiful but smart and has gorgeous values, thanks ashley
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Loved that response! Go Ashley!
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What a wonderful woman!
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AJ has always had big cheeks, you know the ones that when you smile reach right up to your eyes?
I just thought she looked older. I’m guessing as she gets older and puts on weight, then her cheeks will look bigger making her eyes look smaller.
If her cheeks dropped and started looking like jowls, wouldn’t the media start up the “How does she leave the house looking like that?” jibes?
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Can’t wait to hear what they (the media) say about her brain, or level of intelligence after the response above.
Or wait, maybe the media will just put it down to Ashley having a bad case of PMT!
We should be demanding so much more.
Go Ashley!
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I don’t care if she’s had surgery or not, I think this is a great piece of writing and I think she’s made some brilliant points.
On a side note: I HATE having my photo taken when I’m a on prednisone. “Puffy face” is an understatement – I’ve had a lot of comments along the lines of “you look.. different..” and even had people assume I’ve only recently had my wisdom teeth removed! Being in the public spotlight whilst on it, having people make assumptions about your life while you’re trying to deal with your illness would be the absolute pits. Hats off to her for just dealing with that!
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Prednisone is the WORST. I have to take it more often than I would like for chronic sinusitis (waiting on surgery… still), and it does make you puffy.
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While public discourse about what women look like is able to flourish, women will never achieve true equality. Germane Greer’s recent attack on the Prime Minister is a case in point. Puffy, big bottomed.. who cares? It is what people think and do that matter. Unfortunately the indoctrination whereby it’s ok to judge women on their looks is very deep. I especially feel for women in the public eye as they are really “damned if they do” and “damned if they don’t”. Well said Ashley Judd. The challenge for us as individuals and for media outlets is to make sure our public utterances are working towards building the world we want to have. For me this is a world where there are many ways to be beautiful, where we celebrate achievements and where mean-speaking finds no audience.
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Here’s the reality:
An actor wants to have range and age is part of that. In order to keep playing roles of a certain age they have to compete with people who really are “that” age. In order to keep getting 35-45 year parts and actor might try surgery to stay that way for 20 years and earn money as such.
It’s actually pretty simple, the thing is, people are distrusting of those who wish to fool us, so when we think someone has been under the knife, we are suspicious and curios. None of these are necessarily arrogant characteristics, and it’s certainly not misogyny which is trotted out every single time.
Men go under the knife in hollywood frequently, in fact look at the anything-but-gentle ribbing Mickey Rourke has received.
Being attractive and staying attractive has been a mainstay of vanity for centuries, which will not change. We all want to look younger, none of us want to be a wrinkly old prune and that’s just the way it is.
Sue me.
Ashley Judd is an intelligent, stunningly beautiful women, but she won’t nor should be spared from the judgement by people who know her age, know what normal people age like and are suspicious of her having surgery.
Her face is how she makes a living playing roles of an age. If she’s had the chop, then it’ll likely show and people will likely comment.
Pass the peanuts.
Haters gonna hate, there’s one in every box. Haters are the problem here, but whattaya gonna do?
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That’s what I was thinking too, these actors need to stay youthful to get roles so surgery is needed almost as an investment.
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Poor girl. She’s probably had to have Prednisolone (steroids) for some ailment. I have an autoimmune disease and I was on it for about 6 months. It gave me the puffiest face ever!
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I’ve yet to meet a woman, man or child who thrives and blossoms from constant criticism.
What it all boils down to, for me, is that I am glad to be a woman and glad to have lots of women around me. We have too much in common to go tearing each other apart … such a pointless exercise! Well said, AJ
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I hate to say it but I have been guilty of looking at Ashley Judd and thinking she does look like she has had too much surgery. I don’t think badly of her I just think its a shame as she is so gorgeous. The same goes for Meg Ryan and Courtney Cox, they don’t look less old they just look the same age but like they have had surgery so I just don’t see the point of it. I think they would look better with a few wrinkles. Who says that is what we (the consumer who watch their movies and buy their magazines) wants to see actors/singers who look like this. There have been many articles written on mamamia that have said exactly that so no sorry won’t be jumping on the band wagon here and saying “good for you Ashley Judd” even though I do love her as an actress.
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I think the point here Jayd, is that it actually has nothing to do with what you (the consumer who watch their movies and buy their magazines) want celebs to look like.
The idea that we think it’s okay to comment (good or bad) on a woman’s appearance and then judge her on it (which is what you’re doing here by stating that you won’t be jumping on the ‘bandwagon’) is more the issue than whether she’s had surgery.
We have no right to comment, judge or even really think about what she may or may not have done to her own body.
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Agree with you to a point and yes I think I did go off on another topic a bit. I do feel that we all judge people on their personality though and I think AJ has put herself in that positiion by being in the public eye by her own choice. Yes she did stand up for herself and I think thats a great thing to do and she does have a right to have plastic surgery (whether I think it looks good or not).
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sorry that should say “we all judge people on their looks” not personality, tried to edit it but I couldn’t.
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Girl-crushing on Judd right now… pendulum swung too far perhaps?
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After thinking about it some more I don’t think her points are entirely valid. Sometimes criticism does have a place. She clearly has had work done, and if a close friend of mine or my imaginary daughter wanted to that shit to her face I would show that friend or daughter pictures of Ashley, Madonna, Kylie, Goldie, Farrah and all those women and beg, beg her to reconsider. Because that’s what good friends do. They support in you in the choice you ultimately make but they are there to tell you – yes your bum looks big in that, no please don’t get fillers.
So many people in Hollywood do this stuff and celebrities are so often surrounded by yes-people that perhaps the public has a place in saying ‘No, stop, please, what are you doing you are not looking normal’. Or we end up with more Michael Jackson’s. It is her business, but perhaps getting a message from the normal public isn’t a bad thing (minus the nastiness).
How come it is ok to tell someone leggings are not pants, something so harmless and easily changed, but it’s not ok to say please don’t permanently alter your face in a weird way that sends unhealthy messages to women around the world and ruins your looks?
The level of nastiness is not ok, but this is another mixed message on when judgement is ok or not.
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It’s wrong because you think it’s okay to tell someone what to do with their body and their face when really it has nothing to do with you or the media. You say you would do the same for a friend but I am pretty sure all the people who commented on Judd’s appearance were not her friends nor would they have had her best interests at heart.
I think we need to take more responsibility for the fact that celebrities are getting plastic surgery. We buy the magazines that point out celebs’ cellulite, body fat, flaws etc. We help breed this insecurity. If people who we already deem to be the cream of the crop in terms of beauty don’t feel that their beauty is enough then we need to take a stand and stop this ridiculous judgment.
As for the pants/leggings analogy, it’s a little bit silly. You can change your pants but you can’t as easily get over your insecurities about things that you can’t change and have no control over i.e. your face and your body.
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And you just proved her point. “She has clearly had work done”. Clear to whom? You? How can you possibly state that as if it is a well known fact? Did you not read the article AT ALL? The point is you DON’T know a damn thing about what Ashley Judd has done to her face, you have no right to make that comment, its judgmental and frankly, plain rude.
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I do think it is clear. She looks much different in a number of photos not this ‘one day’ she is claiming. And as has been stated in a better way above by someone else judgement is not necessarily women focused. Hollywood men get it too when they go too far.
I also find it mixed messages on this site. On the one hand we can’t criticise Ashley Judd for her drastic change to her face but we can judge about what a woman wears (nowhere near as important as altering your face!) and we can judge if a woman calls her child a ‘bogan’ name (that post exploded!) or drink drives. Judgement is a natural part of life. MM seems to have a selective memory when it comes to judgement.
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But the judgement is coming from ignorance. The fact still remains that you DON’T know what has happened. Therefore it is wrong for people to judge and make assertions that are not accurate. Judging a woman’s clothing is different, obviously they can take of the jeggings. How would you feel if I said your nose looks awful and you shouldn’t have had the surgery, when you just had a cold and it was a bit swollen? Not cool.
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I LOVE Ashley Judd. She is beutiful and talented and I seem to always enjoys movies that she is in. Good on her for defending herself I say.
But I am SERIOUSLY over reading that men don’t care what women look like! Seriously it is bullshit! EVERY man I know comments on the looks of his partner and other women. My husband has two brothers and I regularly hear them commenting on the appearance of friends, lovers, actresses, models etc. It is simply not true that they don’t care.
Personally I don’t think that it is a bad thing. Respecting and looking after my body and feeling as attractive as I can makes me feel good, my husband appreciates it and even after 13 years together he is constantly wanting to grab me on the arse, kiss and touch me. It is no secret that if I stopped looking after myself he would be really disappointed and I have no problem with that at all. I think it is sad when people stop making an effort but that is just my opinion of course.
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Your husband commenting on other women; models actresses etc, shows a serious lack of respect for you. You are kidding yourself if you think all men are like this; many men I know love and respect their wives and really do not care what they look like.
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Jane, I think you are kidding yourself. Where are these men who don’t care what their wives look like? We must live on different planets. I would love to hear from a man who genuinely doesn’t care if his wife turns into a massive slob and vice versa, a woman who doesn’t care if her husband does.
Also, I’m not sure how my partner commenting on Miranda Kerr is disrespectful to me. I don’t take myself that seriously.
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Totally Trish! Every man I know cares what his wife looks like. It is healthy to find your partner attractive.
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It’s you who needs a wake up call if you think that my husband commenting on the looks of other women is disrespectful to me Jane. It doesn’t hurt or bother me in ANY way if he finds other women attractive because I know that he loves me deeply AND finds me very attractive.
My husband totally loves and respects me of that I am very sure, but thanks for your needless, and very misguided, concerns.
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ALSO Jane just to be VERY clear, nowhere in my intitial comment did I say that my husband, his brothers and friends comment DISRESPECTFULLY on other women’s looks. They just, quite simply, appreciate looking at attractive females. For that matter I appreciate attractive males. Obviously we are in the majority. Most people I know appreciate physical beauty.
Obviously there are more kinds of beauty but for the purposes of this debate we are specifically discussing outer beauty as opposed to any other.
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I hear ya! I remember at (junior) high school, nearly all the boys had ‘I love xxx’ with xxx being the names of the two prettiest and thinnest girls at school. When my dad claimed that all the thin worshipping was purely a female thing I got really angry at him because it clearly wasn’t true.
Of course women are involved too, but as Ashley Judd says in the full article, we’re both to blame for participating in the silly game.
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Back in high school the most popular girls with the “in crowd” boys were the same girls that were popular with the “in crowd” girls – in other words the “queen bees and wannabes”. It had nothing to do with their looks but everything to do with their popularity ( which therefore equalled power in the peer group.
On the argument about men objectifying women – I know many many men who do not give a rats about a woman’s cosmetic surgery, clothing weight etc. the men I do know who make comment though are the shallow kind, similar to the high school boys mentioned before, who are simply looking at the female as an object, similar to an accessory or trophy….not at the woman as a human and a whole person who owns her own body.
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This is brilliantly written, the key messages are hit home, they’re exactly right but a) this is written by a PR Strategist not Ashley and b) she is very careful to neither admit nor deny cosmetic intervention.
Brilliant piece of PR
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I think you may have missed the point. As an adult she has the right/choice to do what she wants to her body without having it questioned. When she is highlighting the intrinsic superficiality of this “journalism,” of course she wouldn’t confirm or deny surgery. Why? Because it’s absolutely none of our business.
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Ummm I didn’t miss any point at all – I get it. It was the most convoluted semi-denial in the history of PR and many people bought it hook line and sinker. No need to condescendingly make your “points” – I work in PR and I’ve had cosmetic surgery.
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Firstly, you cannot possibly verify that the piece was not written by Ashley. Considering that she is a published author (yes she has editors etc, that does not mean that these are not her own thoughts and words) and a human rights/development activist who gets right into some of the issues of our world, I would imagine that she is very educated and articulate. The point is that she doesn’t need to confirm or deny surgery, and the awful stance of some of the most popular and ‘reputable’ ‘news’ services!
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Agree with you aura.
It’s terribly ironic that Anonymous is tearing the validity of AJ’s response apart without any evidence because Anonymous “believes he/she can tell” that AJ did not write it, did not or did have surgery, blah blah blah… just like all the other media, commentators etc that AJ is talking about.
You really did miss the point, Anonymous.
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Not sure why you would assume she didn’t write this. Have you read much of her writing or seen many interviews – she is always very articulate and intelligent.
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She’s very articulate! She also didn’t say “By the way, I did/did not have surgery.” Either way, she has the right to have or not have surgery if she wants to!!
I think there is a lot of pressure (particularly in Hollywood) on women to look ‘good’. I also think the definition of what ‘good’ is is so distorted and completely misunderstood.
Facial surgery is not for me. I personally don’t get it, because often people turn out to look a lot worse than they did beforehand (and is just me, or do they all start looking alike??) and it’s very difficult to tell how much is too much.
I won’t say I’m opposed to other kinds, because you never know, I may need it one day and it’s much easier to camoflauge it. I would want it to look quite natural though, it has to fit in with the rest of my body!!
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I agree with you Lauren91 and I am not anti plastic surgery but I think a lot of actors etc are just going too far and end up with a weird clown face type look about them. What these actresses are trying to achieve is ending up making them all look the same and not in a good way.
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It is true; tearing down women is a popular sport.
There are many examples of media & marketing business models being based around it.
People will always be interested in gossip – who is cheating on who etc. It helps inform our social knowledge and mostly is no big deal.
But the continued assault on women through their appearance is different. It is the most instinctual playground insult for a reason – because it is known to do damage to a girls /woman’s self-esteem and confidence in the world.
My main problem with women who attack other women based on their appearance is – do they not realise what suckers they are?
Someone hands you a club and instead of using it to knock down a few walls you look for a fellow traveller and whack them around the head instead.
There are no winners.
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PS steroids do give you a puffy face.
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Always loved her. Love her even more now!
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Grown women aren’t supposed to have the bodies of 13year olds and in fact, if the man in your life is encouraging you to have that – show him the door (and warn the police)…….Hollywood is full of men like that and it’s sickening………you simply can’t have a size 8 arse without a scrawny size 8 face – after a “certain age” that is……….medication, illness and pain prevents many people from being their desired weight since they’re unable to move significantly enough to burn off modest amounts of food……..’want to look younger ? First of all – meditate (spend some time in pleasant “timelessness”) …Don’t lose too much weight….Don’t cut your hair too short……….Don’t let it go grey,………colour it with a warm shade……..Look after your skin (stay away from too much sun), cleanse & moisturise daily,……wear a little make-up at least (light mineral powder a shade paler than usual) a little blusher and some curling mascara and use a lip pencil and a pearly type of lipstick…….maybe get your eyebrows dyed in a natural shape (they fade with age) “mad” eyebrows are very ageing ..lol…….oh yes, and the voice – when I have to play young voices in a recording studio I “lighten & brighten” my voice and add more warmth and smile…….when I want to age my voice I do the opposite and I deepen it and sound more jaded – should make you think a bit I guess…….’sorry about the “novel”….lol.
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Wow Caz, way to turn it into a man vs woman debate. I can’t think of a single man who doesn’t think Ashley Judd is beautiful as she is. The last thing i’d be doing is asking her to lose weight or gain weight or do anything that she didn’t want to do for herself. I’d be pretty sure that if you read the article again she’s pointing the finger at female gossip writers and “journalists” who have spread the gossip mongering and innuendo.
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“you simply can’t have a size 8 arse without a SCRAWNY size 8 face”
How utterly disgusting.
I’m so angry, I’m actually lost for words
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I’m a size 14 and I second that
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Great, is that all I have to do, is it?
Thanks, but I’d rather use my time to get on with living my life. I owe it to myself to keep myself healthy and dress in a way I’m comfortable with, not to look younger than a ‘certain age’.
*stalks off muttering to herself*
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So ingrained is the idea that beauty is best that women are commenting and judging other women not to be mean, but to make themselves feel better about themselves.
On the one hand we all believe that aging gracefully is the ideal, but we are not happy with how that actually looks. So the alternative is get the help and enhancements, but not tell anyone about it. I do think Hollywood etc need to start fessing up to their real beauty!! I admire Ashley’s stand, but I wonder how she’d feel if her real 40+ face was on the cover of Vogue untouched?!?!
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She looks pretty natural to me!
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Whilst not fair, I can understand why media immediately jump to what surgeries she may have had. There are so many actresses/celebs out there who have had work done who deny it, so i think people automatically assume that something changes, that it must be surgery. That’s why people who do have surgery should just own up to it. And I mean that if it’s their decision to do it, if the question comes up, don’t sit there and lie and say you just have good genes and drink lots of water or it’s a new product or what not.
I think women are overly critical of each other and it’s something that I’ve been trying to change in myself for the last few years. However I have found it difficult because appearance is such a large part of meeting someone for the first time and if it’s someone just passing by, it’s the only part of them that you can draw any conclusions about them on. It doesn’t mean judging them is right but it’s difficult to find something to compliment about someone that doesn’t involve their appearance in any way.
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oh wow – awesome! what a beautiful brain she has. Now I will remember her name
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I think whether she has had surgery or not is irrelevant to the point she is trying to make – women tear each other down far too often and every time it happens as publicly as this it sets us back decades. Why not comment on the body of work she was promoting rather than how she looked whilst she was promoting it. I think its women who stand in the way of women, not men at this point in time
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… I think I am in love!
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Have you ever listened into the conversation of a group of men when they didn’t know you were doing so?
Trust me. The stuff they say about women (and these are ‘nice’, regular guys) is sickening.
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Yep. I’ve heard the same before from guys you definitely would not expect to talk about women that way. It’s very disturbing.
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Agree completely. Some of the judgements I’ve heard my male friends make about a woman’s appearance are so much harsher than anything I have heard from my female friends. My female friends are just far less critical, more supportive and sensitive.
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Um have you ever listened in to a conversation women have had when another woman isn’t there? Talking about their looks and weight? Please, this isn’t simply men objectifying women, it’s women objectifying women too. Please don’t reduce this into “only men do this.” This is global sexism. We are taught this from day one. Every supermarket magazine blaring at you while you wait for your food- this woman is too fat now. This woman is too skinny now. This woman has had surgery and looks terrible. This is what these women look like without make up. It’s endemic and depressing. I’m not saying men don’t participate but she clearly expressed that a lot of women were the instigators of this.
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Yes, both sexes are capable of sexist and judgemental criticism. It’s everywhere. That is the point. Everyone needs to stop making critical or hateful comments about others.
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Please don’t generalise. Stating that men in general say horrible things about women is no better than saying all women are bitches who make catty remarks about other women.
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I don’t buy it. I’ve seen numerous pictures over the last few years of Ashley with that distinctive surgery face look that women get when they have certain procedures done at her age. Madonna and Kylie also have it.
Should women criticise her for it is another issue and she makes valid points about criticism of her looks.
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She was careful to not say whether or not she has had surgery. Which is her right, of course, and beside the point of what she was trying to say.
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Ah – are women overly critical of each other? Go back and read the comments from mamamia readers on that Samatha Brick post. There’s your answer.
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Agreed, women need to stop being overly critical of each other and band together to fight the beauty myth. We live in a society which places a huge emphasis on beauty yet at the same time we are not supposed to let it slip that we may occasionally think we look pretty good, or that we may invest a large amount of time and money on our appearance or that we care too much about our appearance.
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She is awesome! Full stop!
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Bravo. What a brilliant, articulate role model she is. We need so many more voices like hers.
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Good on her, I say. She’s so articulate.
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Go Ashley! That was a great spray.
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Just when I thought I couldn’t love her anymore!
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Oh yeah – she is amazing! Good on her for taking a swipe at all the sh*t flinging that media (and others) do.
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My son takes steroids as part of his treatment for Leukaemia, and in only 5 days he can go up a waist size and look like a baby Buddha. Good on her for even wanting to go out when she’s beefed up on roids. I know several little girls who get bloated and won’t leave the house. Ashely Judd is right! Why should any of the above matter?
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I am the same age as this gorgeous woman and a while back I lost a lot of weight.. My arse looked great but my face looked gaunt and old. I have since put on 4kgs and all of a sudden people are saying how good I look.
As we get older it is a choice between your arse or your face!!
A few extra kgs on the face takes years off without having any surgery/botox/fillers.
Dump the glossy mags – give your cellulite a little pat of acknowledgment – love the stretchmarks and stop looking at yourself thru the eyes of the media and start looking at yourself as your husband/partner/children see you – a strong wonderful wife and a wonderful mother – that’s more important isn’t it??
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Best comment ever!!
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your comment brought a tear to my eye. why can’t everyone think like you & the always beautiful Ashley.
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Recently a very slim friend of mine commented on how well I was looking and how no wrinkles show up in any photos I take (we are the same age). I said outright – yeah but I’m 10 kilos heavier than you – the extra weight makes my face look younger! (Thank God I don’t photograph my butt very often!) But despite the extra kilos I have and the wrinkles she has – I think our faces/bodies tell our life story and the happy shiny eyes we have in our photos are more beautiful to me than any media driven perfection will ever be.
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I don’t think it’s a gender thing necessarily. I have many blokes say pretty horrible things about the way women look.
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We all comment on people’s looks, we usually can tell when procedures have been done to enhance and we also get slightly peeved when women deny they have had them. Firstly they look slightly foolish and they dont come across as authentic. Think Kylie Minogue with her ponds cold cream, Nicole Kidman with her sunscreen , Sofia Loren and her pasta diet, Elle McPherson drinking her gallons of water , Apparently all 4 are all natural and put it down to 4 different items. Best I be investing on all 4 of the above. Good to know water from the tap is free..
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Why should we care if they lie? How does it affect our lives in any way whatsoever? We all lie about something (mostly age!) I don’t think it’s any of our business to start with if they’ve even had plastic surgery so why do we condemn them for getting it done it lying? It’s not our judgement to make.
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It just makes them look a little foolish thats all. Especially the products they promote that supposedly keeps their ageing at bay. No it does not affect our lives, but it affects their credibility as a person. Most women warm to other women who are honest and admit to certain procedures. Most women dont lie about their age. Thats crapola.
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They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. We hate celebs lying to us about plastic surgery but we don’t like them if they do it. And we’d probably forget about them if they aged naturally.
I think it comes down to our love of tearing people down. They’re attractive, rich and successful and this is one way we can make them seem human and flawed.
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Good on Ashley Judd for standing up for herself and articulating her thoughts so brilliantly!
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So, Samantha Brick was correct in her assertion that women hate beautiful women????
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No I think Samantha Brick was still wrong about the effects of beauty.
This story just proves that women can be bitches given the opportunity – whether the victim is short/tall/curvy/fat/’beautiful’/'ugly’.
Us women need to remember that our glass houses are not impervious to stones – and that you are less likely to get a stone thrown at yours if you didnt throw one first!
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