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miranda kerr breastfeeding 380x511 How your social media choices affect your loved ones.

Will Miranda Kerr's baby son Flynn have a problem with this at his 21st?

Privacy has become a slippery little bugger. There’s so little of it left. But it’s not just being devoured by faceless corporations and airport body scanners. You know who’s most likely to breach your privacy? Someone who loves you. Your friend. Your partner. Your mother. Your cousin. Your flatmate. All well meaning. All potentially compromising.

I spent a lovely hour one night this week watching the birth video of a woman I’d never met. I was supposed to be writing this column but in the spirit of modern procrastination, I followed a link emailed by a friend and ended up on a blog belonging to a Brisbane woman who took photos of her child every day for a year. She wrote that it helped her see her daughter “in a different way” and they were indeed gorgeous, interesting photos. The birth video was an added extra. I cried. I may have also ovulated.

I loved the site but another friend included on the same email felt uneasy. She liked the photos but was concerned by how easily she’d been given intimate access into a stranger’s life. “What about the choice of the child?” she asked. “As parents, do we automatically have the right to put our kids’ lives online? What will she say when she’s 21…. or even 10?” Another friend disagreed: “If the worst thing in your life is that your parents posted some photos of you dressed up as a frog or breastfeeding …. I mean, first world problems. “

This isn’t new, this desire to share. We’re just documenting our lives in different ways. Instead of diaries or scrapbooks or photo albums, we post pictures and blog and tweet. Social media is the modern version of cave paintings. The key difference is the scalability. Unlike the physical and geographic limitations of scrapbooks and caves, anyone anywhere can hop online. In fact, that’s the point. The more friends, followers, readers, the better. That’s how social media works.

The town square never shuts down in 2011. People are broadcasting details of their lives constantly and even if you’re not a broadcaster, every point in the day where your life intersects with another person who has an Internet connection, your privacy can be breached.

Privacy Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim has recommended stronger laws to punish those who publish damaging images on social networking sites that could get someone fired, blacklisted by future employers or put them in physical danger. If you were a victim of such publication, you could sue that person for damages.

But that’s not what we’re talking about. The greater danger to your privacy is more innocuous and likely to come from someone who ISN’T trying to hurt or harm you at all. The opposite.

Privacy now comes in 1000 shades of grey and everyone’s line between private and public is different. And this is how someone’s privacy can be unexpectedly breached in a click.

Choose to share a photo of yourself bleary eyed and tell the world about your hangover? Go for it. But what if your hung-over flatmate is also in the photo? And what if she called into work sick that day? Or skipped a family lunch under the pretence of having to study? And what if her co-worker or sister see it on Facebook and discovers she wasn’t sick or studying after all?

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Heather Armstrong from Dooce.com

The most successful Mummy Blogger in the world is a woman called Heather Armstrong. Writing about her personal life for a decade, she’s learnt a thing or two about public vs. private. When Dooce.com first began, she was working as a graphic designer and was soon fired due to the indiscreet observations she made about her boss and colleagues.

This caused her to recalibrate her privacy line and now she only writes things that she’d be prepared to say to someone in front of 20 people. Smart. As for her kids, Heather is constantly asked whether she’s exploiting Marlo, 1 and Leta, 9, by writing about them and publishing their photos by the hundred.

Here’s her take: the experiences of babies and little kids belong to their parents because they’re pretty universal. All babies eat, sleep, cry, poo etc. All toddlers say cute things and put stupid things in their mouths and by sharing these stories online, new parents are simply replacing the village we’ve lost.

Heather says: “That’s why I feel like it’s okay to write so much about Marlo, because it’s the same story of a million other babies hopefully told in a way that we can all laugh about it enough to want to wake up tomorrow morning.”

She knows this to be true. After she wrote emotionally about how she was unravelling after having her first child, readers who had experienced post-natal depression told her she needed to seek help urgently. She did and credits the blog and those readers with saving her life. But as her elder daughter grows up and becomes more self-conscious, Heather has respected this and responded by writing about her almost never.

As for the exploitation question, she notes that all teenagers resent their parents for something. And if her girls’ ‘thing’ is that their mum loved them so much she chose to document it publicly then hey, she can live with that.

How much do you share online?  Do you put up photos of your friends and family ? Do you have boundaries that you will not cross or do you just put up what you think people will enjoy looking at ?

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    Marnie

    I just recently made my family blog private and opened 2 new blogs (one about food the other a beauty blog) as my 9 year old didn’t want his photos on the internet for everyone to see (everything is embarrassing when you’re 9 …remember?) I also had a few “overly interested” people enquiring about my kids. So I removed the posts instantly. Was building a really nice group of ‘followers” too. But none of that matters. I respect their requests for privacy, even though I don’t see anything wrong with people posting pics of their kids on the net. x Marnie

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    Kel

    I have my photo settings on private, but have seen that my FB friends can still share and download the image. So if it’s a photo I don’t want the world to see, I don’t upload it.

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    Spud

    Mia, i hope you investigate legal action over Rebecca Wilson’s article today. I think you’d have a good case.

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    Mary

    Anything I’m about to tweet or facebook, if I have a hint of doubt, I don’t do it. My gut feeling is usually pretty spot on. I don’t put barely any photos up on facebook as I simply don’t have the time. Even in my own blog (which I’m sorely neglecting at the moment) I even refrain from putting my partners name. I guess I feel like it’s my blog and my thoughts…not his…

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    miltmacfarlane

    Keep your thoughts positive because your thoughts become your words. Keep your words positive because your words become your behaviors. Keep your behaviors positive because your behaviors become your habits. Keep your habits positive because your habits become your values. Keep your values positive because your values become your destiny.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi

    Think you owe an apology and a reply to people in high places…at what point did you go wrong in the Mahatmas time line

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    camillapeffer

    I don’t think that people realise that the internet is actually a part of real life. Because we can’t exactly envision its boundaries and it basically occupies this non-space, and because we can’t see it or physically travel into cyber space, I don’t think people actually consider it a public domain. Thus status updates become more like journal entries.

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    Shannon

    I’ve recently closed my facebook page and have found the extra time I’ve got has helped me put more effort into my real life friendships. I do miss it, and yes, I probably did spend way to much time on it, but my friends are my friends whether I am on facebook or not. It’s refreshing to catch up with someone in person or over the phone and actually have them tell you what’s been going on in their life. Try it for a week and see how much you really need it….

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      Jess

      I closed mine at the beginning of December. I am so glad that I did it, as it enabled me to step back, but I will probably re-activate because i REALLY miss all my OS friends.

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    Anonymous

    On the Miranda photo – of course she looks beautiful – she is a supermodel in full makeup. I am sure it suprises no one that she got her body back so quickly – these women only put on a bump and a bit of fluid! I think she looks very smug in this photo. I know that sounds mean and jealous but she does. She like other models have been blessed with good genes that has enabled them to make pots of money and live very nice lives. Any new mum looking at that photo would feel a bit crappy. I also wonder what she is trying to achieve posting that photo…

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    cupkate74

    I like FB. I think it is a good way to stay in the loop with people. I post photos of my children as do most of my friends and I personally see this as no big deal. On the other hand -a few years ago a friend posted photos of me on a big night out. I was absolutely stunned and horrified when I saw them. I was so ashamed. I rang her immediately and told her to take them down which she did straight away. She thought they were funny and cool – showing how we can still ‘party’ in our thirties, the photos actually just looked awful, drunk, pathetic and very undignified. Just shows how people see things differently! If she had not been a good friend and taken them down it would have been awful. I have a daughter on FB and I would have died if she had seen me like that!!

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    Melinda

    Giving our kids a “digital imprint”, sometimes even before they a born by the posting on an ultrasound pic on facebook, is bound to be a debatable topic around coffee and dinner tables. I’m pretty sure I know the blog you’re referring to….I came across it over a year ago whilst researching waterbirth before the birth of my second child … the video was originally (and still is) on youtube.
    Here’s a different angle on it – that video and others I found on youtube, that mums like her have been courageous enough to share, gave me the confidence to have a natural birth myself…and I’m sure it’s inspired other mums who saw it to do the same – that can only be a good thing right?

    Anyway, I’ve followed the blog ever since and have found it a wonderful resource for parenting, mothering, “lovering” (I know that’s not a word!) and learning to be more present with my two young daughters – I look at it as a gift that this woman has given to other women around the world … and I’m sure her daughter and son will be very proud of that when they grow up!

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    Bec

    Regardless of the privacy settings I put on facebook photos, I’m very aware that facebook still owns the image data that I’ve uploaded. There are likely to be a fair few facebook employees who have access to that data.
    If I’m not happy for that image to be seen and potentially used by complete strangers in the facebook factory, I’m not putting it up there.

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    ClaireC

    I have removed most of the photos of my kids from my facebook page, there are only a handful there, just of them in their school uniforms. I wouldn’t ever post a photo on FB that included anyone else’s children and I would be furious if anyone did so with photos that included my children. I have deleted lots of my facebook friends that I really don’t care if I keep in touch with and my privacy settings are on maximum. I am constantly amazed by how much people share on FB, not to mention bored by it.

    I think we live in a culture of oversharing and I am totally over every tom dick and harriet having a bloody blog. I have friends who have blogs which read like personal diaries full of total wank about what they’ve been doing, what their brilliant kids have been doing and their boring musings on, well, just about everything. I have other friend who take photos of their lates shoe and handbag purchase and put them on their blogs, or they take photos of dishes they are about the eat in restaurants – seriously, I don’t give a toss what you are wearing and eating, so stop showing off and being so tedious and self involved, go out and do something useful with your time.

    Rant over.

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      Anonymous

      i have pictures of my kids on fb, but not in their school uniforms: i think that’s quite dangerous as it identifies them and where they are during school hours. sorry to be alarmist, but just thought i’d give you the heads up.

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    becauseimthemum

    I will never post any photos of my children online. My children can decide for themselves when they’re old enough whether they are happy posting photos of themselves. I have friends who regularly post photos online of their children. I have had to explain my decision to them and ask that they respect that by not posting any photos which include my children.

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    Lily

    The biggest social media mistake I’ve seen is a WA girl I know Tweeting that she’s now a New South Welshman by posting a pic of her new NSW licence – complete with name, DOB, address and licence number. I think that’s everything a stalker or an ID fraudster would need to cause some trouble.

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    em

    this pic of Miranda annoys me. i get that you’re breastfeeding which is great, have just had a baby and are back at work. we get it, you’re very lucky, girl-power and all that.

    but is this type of pic really necessary? i mean, seriously.

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      DC

      Couldn’t agree with you more em. I’m not a hater by any means and Miranda certainly looks beautiful in this photograph but to me it’s just a little unnecessary and as a fellow (recent) first time Mum it’s hard to understand exactly what she wanted to achieve by posting this pic to the world.

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        Jancy

        Didn’t her husband post/tweet it? I think it’s cute!

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    protecting my identity

    I put up a lot of photos of my new daughter on facebook. Because we live interstate, 98% of my friends havent seen her, so facebook is so valuable for me. It is easier to upload a photo, that to CC everyone on an email. I wont be going back home for at least 6 months, so its he only way that people can “see” her. Ive adjusted my settings so only friends can see my profile, and NEVER accept a friend request unless i know them and they have been in my house. Social networking can be a useful tool. But safety is key… keep personal details to yourself.

    Ohhh i do have a line i dont cross…no naked photos of my daughter. Even in our private collection for just myself/husband/parents, i cover my daughters privates with a wash cloth. But i do put up lots of cute photos in cute dresses :)

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      Anonymous

      You do know that Facebook now own all your photos and can do whatever they want with them? Naked or not, you have signed away the rights to those photos.

      Plus, I know this is going to sound mean but endless FB photos of someone’s new baby is incredibly boring. I’ve blocked a few friends status updates because of their endless boring baby photos.

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    Miss T

    I have a blog, my husband has 3 (one is a gaming site, one for his music and 1 for himself). We both have facebook and we both have twitter (he has 3 of those too). He is a teacher at a private school so his rule is that we will never put anything up that we wouldn’t be comfortable with his students reading, seeing and quoting at school. So with that in mind, I’m more than happy to make fun of myself and share things about myself, as long as they can’t be used against him or me. The safest thing is to never post anything (blocked, private or otherwise) you wouldn’t want public. I wouldn’t care if a photo of me pulling a stupid face were public, so I don’t care about posting it. I would care if a video of me giving birth was seen by anyone – I wouldn’t even want doctors looking down there when I’m doing it – so that I would never publish. Or even take for that matter. Like a sex tape – if it doesn’t exist it can’t get leaked!!

    For me, when I post something really personal on my blog, my biggest worry is my family reading it rather than strangers, friends or work colleagues. I try not to name people in my posts that are more intimate for that very reason, I wouldn’t want my family or friends to read it and be embarrassed or hurt by something I said, even if it’s true. For example, when I wrote a post recently about being ridiculed for my weight (both being underweight and then being called fat), I did not name anyone who said anything, I only posted how it felt and general comments I received.

    The biggest worry for me is if you google my name you get photos of me, no worries, but you also get my work position, title, and (eep!) PHONE NUMBER! I hate that.

    I am intrigued by people’s views regarding pics of their kids – I have one friend who’s child is currently in a few TV commercials and another who posted one photo of her baby when it was born and won’t post any others. Such opposite views. I would like to say I will leave it up to my kids and not post any pics of them without their consent, as I like that idea in theory, but I’m naturally a very open and honest person so I doubt I will be able to resist documenting my baby as it grows. I don’t see how it’s much different to the fact that I now work where my mother does, and have to hear all the terrible stories she told all her colleagues (she’s been working there since I was born) about the embarrassing things I did. I just laugh. People will always embarrass you, social media is just another way of doing it, I don’t think it’s worth getting too precious about it.

    But it’s safest to only ever ridicule yourself or post things of yourself, you can’t know where other people’s boundaries are.

    T.

    PS: That comment was a lot longer than I intended…

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    Nat. A.

    I had FB for about 2 weeks back in 2007. I deleted my account because it was so highly addictive and the most incredible procrastination tool I’ve ever come across. Frankly I find FB extremely creepy. I refuse to even have a photo of myself along side my work profile because I find the idea of a total stranger looking at my image alarming. Amongst my friends I’m considered an oddity because of my lack of interest in social media (I’m 27). I connect with the people I love the old fashioned way.

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      ClaireC

      You do realise that total strangers see you when you walk down the street don’t you?

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    kristy

    A huge pet peeve of mine is that I put photos of my kids up on my Facebook mainly for our extended family who don’t get to see the kids all the time to see photos of them but my SIL either copies them off my page and puts them on hers or tags herself in photos of my kids!! So even though I have my albums set to private because she tags herself in them all her fb friends can see those photos. I started watermarking any photos that i put up :) but both her & MIL also put photos of the kids up without asking either my partner or me and that annoys me.

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      L

      That totally annoys me too!
      I had to ask SIL to please remove my professional wedding pictures from her Facebook page, she took it upon herself to make an album of them. Issue I had was I had decided NOT to make an album of them on my own page…so I didn’t feel like she should have them on hers either…without even bothering to ask permission?! We had a massive argument about it, but I really didn’t care. They were my property, I had conciously decided not to share them on FB and she somehow couldn’t understand why I had an issue with her sharing them on hers.

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    Anonymous

    I recently took myself off FB – and am not sorry. I was spending far too much time reading trivial details about people I don’t socialise with, whilst the ones I love – my sister, my partner, my best friend – rarely post anything or in the case of my sister, don’t even have an account.
    I don’t miss FB at all.

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      Lola

      I’m thinking of doing the same thing.

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    anti social?

    L O V E this photo of Miranda

    I worked with a guy who had a blog detailing very graphically the birth of his first daughter, it was very, very off putting and made me feel akward to know so much personal stuff about him and his wife. His wife even later came to work in our office for a bit. The blog was also named after his childs FULL name! I have a feeling it may have been moved or removed, I do hope so for the sake of the child.

    I have a particular FB friend who no matter how many times I tell her she puts the most inappropriate things on FB, she once wrote on one of my photos that was of me and a girlfriend sitting inside the pub “kicked out and banned from the pub again” this was not the case and it was all the talk at work the next day and my boss was not impressed when I didn’t come in to work the following day and I was honsetly unwell. I have to delete anything and everything she comments.

    Also my real pet peeve is people that ad friends after meeting them once. I had a party and a friend outside of my main circle came along and everyone loved her which was great but a handful of them FB friended her the next day, kind of annoyed me as they don’t even know her and I feel like it mixes the privacy thing for me and blurs the lines.

    Rant over!

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      Miss T

      I don’t like that either! People have a tendency to add me immediately after meeting me. I try to take it as a compliment but sometimes I feel like yelling “You don’t even know me!!” I usually accept on a limited profile (my facebook is locked down with several levels of security), leave it a few months, then delete.

      Or adding work colleagues. I only have 3 colleagues on my facebook, 2 I’m very close to and 1 who’s leaving at the end of this week and we only added each other last Friday.

      You can set your FB so that you have to approve photos tagged of you before they’re posted, which may help with that one friend although it sounds like it’s her comments. In which case I’d give her a limited profile only and a stern word.

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        BCH

        There’s no right or wrong – just different people out there. Some people are very open, friendly and ok with social media and sharing of pics and updates, others are more private and not into sharing online. You do what’s right and comfortable for you… the fact that social media has taken over the world like it has shows there are many people who love it. Personally only a very small handful of people read my updates and see my pics (I use the ‘specific people’ option to choose out of my friends I want to share with) and that makes me feel a bit more secure (don’t need hundreds of people reading baby-type updates when they’re not in that phase of life!)

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    Anonymous

    I’d never post stories about my kids on my blog. Baby stories yes, because baby stories are all the same and 99% of the time they are a story about mum not bubs. But once they are their own little people I don’t think their experiences are mine to share with the world.

    My mum is an oversharer. When I was growing up she would tell all her friends, work mates, randoms she met in a supermarket queue etc. ‘funny’ (read embarrassing) stories about me and my siblings. It sucked. Often the stories would filter down to our peers, and we’d have to deal with it at school. My mum didn’t mean any harm, but us kids didn’t trust her and censored ourselves in front of her because of this. To this day it weirds me out that some old friend of my mum’s who I couldn’t pick out of a line-up knows all about my most embarrassing adolescent moments.

    I know I wouldn’t write about a friend saying or doing something stupid if they weren’t in on the joke, so I don’t know why people feel like it’s ok to do this with their kids. One day their peers will google them and stumble onto your ‘funny’ blog posts.

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    rainbow

    i never looked even one millionth as glamorous as miranda when breast-feeding.

    can the next photo she tweets at least make her look slightly like a new mother?

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      Deb74

      Look behind her … nappy bag on the floor! She IS normal (-ish)!!

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    Bek

    Again your column manages to tap into exactly what I’ve been thinking about lately!

    I was actually musing over the whole concept of ‘taking’ someone’s photo. I think we forget that when we snap an image, this is what we’re doing–we’re taking part of someone, and I think that puts the responsibility on us to treat it with respect when we’re on social networking sites–or any other public forum for that matter.

    I actually wrote a post on this a few days ago (not sure if it’s cool to post the link here — if not feel free to remove it)

    http://blog.tickyes.com/the-facebook-babies/

    –Spurred on by the couple who named their baby ‘Like’ (don’t get me started!) I started thinking about this whole generation of babies who will live most of their lives out on social networking sites! I like Heather’s take on it–that she respects her daughter’s wishes now she is old enough to express them.

    As someone who doesn’t yet have kids, the issue I often have is logging on to Facebook to find I have been tagged in a hundred photos by my snap-happy friends. I then have to go through and untag myself in the ones I don’t like or wouldn’t want my wider network to see. Even as I write this I acknowledge it sounds really vain and trivial, but honestly I can’t help feeling a little bit uncomfortable with the lack of control I have over which images of me end up online. Even once I untag them they remain visible to all of my friends’ networks, and while they’re pretty good at taking down any particularly heinous ones, no-one wants to be the party pooper by not posing for photos! And while it might be vain to want to cull the double-chins, the drunk eyes or the mid-sneer poses (I truly am gifted with the bad photo gene) I don’t want to experience that pang of self-consciousness knowing that hundreds of people are looking at them!

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      mrsfox

      Hey Bec, The concept of ‘taking’ someones photo reminds me of this scene from Zoolander:

      Matilda: Derek, I don’t know if you’re familiar with the belief that some aboriginal tribes hold. It’s the concept that a photo might steal a part of your soul. What are your thoughts on that as someone who gets his picture taken for a living?
      Zoolander: Well I guess I would have to answer your question with another question. How many abo-diginals do you see modeling?

      Just sayin’

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        Bek

        Brilliant! Still one of my favourite quotes from any film!

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      Miss T

      You can set your privacy settings so you have to approve photos before people can tag you in them. That may help you.

      Also I recommend practicing some good photo faces in the mirror. It is vain but it will save you if you’re not naturally good in photos. I’m not naturally good in photos! I always get a double chin (even though I’m thin, I just have a bad chin) so I have practiced my ‘photo face’ & whip it out whenever a camera is pointed in my direction.

      T.

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        Bek

        Thank you Miss T! I will change the privacy settings immediately, and as for my ‘photo face’ I’ve got one, it’s the ‘candid’ (shudder) pics that really get me!

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    Melissa J

    This is bordering on silly. Nobody in their right mind is going to care who saw their baby pictures. Babies all look the same and all do the same stuff…
    And on facebook you can control who sees your photos and who doesn’t, so it’s not like the entire world is going to have access to your photos unless you allow them to. As far as blogs go if you don’t want the entire world seeing a photo then don’t post it.. it’s not hard..

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      Anonymous

      But Facebook own your photos which gives them the right to do anything they want with it.

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    KateA

    Some of the ideas here are a little paranoid. Putting photos of your kids on facebook for family/friends to see is not endangering your child. Who has a facebook friend list full of paedophiles and kidnappers? Even if you are the kind of person who befriends anyone with 2 legs, what are the chances of one of them being a paedophile? Even if they are a paedophile, would they really be interested in your kids running around at a party? Even if they are interested, do you really think they are going to drop everything and come and get your child?
    If you’re concerned about baddies looking at your child, then you shouldn’t take them out of the house.
    Who wants to live in a society based on fear? It makes us bigoted and suspicious. Everyone needs to have common sense, but sharing family photos is not going to unleash a wave of suburban criminals.

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      Mish

      I completely agree. My rule about posting pictures of my toddler is that if I’d be happy for complete strangers see her that way in real life, then its OK. I’d never put up naked photos though- I don’t think its right to put up photos of anyone naked without their permission. If one of my friends tagged me in a photo where I’m naked I’d be mortified, so I don’t see why I should be sharing pictures of my daughter naked either.

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        Mish

        Not that my friends take photos of me in my birthday suit, by the way!

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          KateA

          I wasnt thinking that at all…!
          I dont post naked pics of my kids, mainly because i don’t take many. But at the same time, i dont mind if they are naked at the beach etc because they are little children. I do hope that we don’t capitulate to the paedophiles by sexualising children and making their cute tiny bodies shameful.

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          Faybian

          Are you sure??? Lol

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      redballoon

      The thing is, it’s hard to know which people (friends) are pedophiles. You might not have a friend list full of them but there might be one in there somewhere.

      I don’t want live in a world full of fear and paranoia. That why I take reasonable precautions to protect my kids- so I don’t *have* to keep worrying!

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        KateA

        It is hard to know, and extremely unlikely, so best to assume that everyone ISN’T a paedophile.
        It’s because of this fear that men find it difficult to be primary school teachers, child carers, sport coaches etc. It’s also why we ‘helicopter parent’. That’s sad – and it means we are hamstrung by fear.
        Sexual abuse is most likely to occur in the home, and by a relative (or other male living in the home). Facebook photos are not a big instigator.

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          Mish

          Well said… and like you I don’t want to live in a paranoid world where everyone is a paedophile. I have noticed when my 2.5 year old daughter has stripped off at the beach or at a friend’s house and run around naked, that my female friends will say how cute she is, and the men look the other way. Because they are afraid if they comment, someone will think they are a paedophile. And that’s straight from the horses mouth when I asked a few of them about it. Its awful that they should feel that way.

          Having said that, I still feel its inappropriate to post naked pics, not because it is sexualising them, but because its a privacy issue and I want to respect my daughter.

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    Felicity Moore

    The issue for me is not my own children (my view is very similar to Armstrong’s) but when those pics of my kids doing cute things include other children. Are they OK to post on my private Facebook page? I would never post them on my blog or my ‘public’ Facebook page but it can be a tricky line.

    I filmed my kids at their sports carnival the other day and put the link on YouTube for my mum and dad in Mackay to see their grandkids. But there are other kids in the video and their parents may not want the video on YouTube no matter how strictly the privacy settings are applied. But my parents have a right to share in their grandchildren’s lives, right? So where does the line get drawn?

    It’s very murky.

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      Free Human Being

      Thats a really decent point. It’s probably faux pa area to place other people’s kids photos in your own facebook album.

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        KateA

        But that means no photos of kid’s bday parties, sports events or anything involving a gathering. And why? I know about the apparent sex predators lurking throughout the internet, but seriously – is there any evidence that posting a photo of your child and a few others at their bday party is in any way harmful? Or is it just our ridiculously paranoid society? In any case, it’s legal to take photos of anyone in a public place, but polite to ask if it’s a portrait.

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          Faybian

          I have been to kids parties where the parents have said that they will post the pics on the net and ask if I’m ok with my kids being in those photos. I’m quite fine with that approach.

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          Free Human Being

          Yeah, It’s okay to ask nicely

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          xanderley

          What’s wrong with just emailing photos to family and friends?

          My son recently participated in an ice hockey event … I wrote a brief post for facebook, but emailed the photos to family and friends that would be interested.

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            KateA

            Emailing takes much longer..! Yes, I’m lazy when it comes to uploading photos. But we live on the opposite side of the world to all mine and my husband’s families, so regular photos are important. I try not to ‘overshare’ but if we go on holiday or someone has a bday party I put a few photos up. I know most of my fb friends don’t really want to see my kid’s bday party, but it means a lot to the family that can’t be there.

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    Anonymous

    I really wanted to read this article, but I got distracted by the accidental penises on the right hand side of the screen!

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    Anonymous

    I doubt I would have seen all the adorable photos of my niece’s 1st birthday in the UK, if it weren’t for Facebook.

    My sister and BIL wouldn’t have been able to email all the hi res pics to so many family members.

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      xanderley

      But there are other ways to share photos privately online – it doesn’t have to be a public forum like facebook ie SmugMug, photobucket.

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    Anonymous

    “Choose to share a photo of yourself bleary eyed and tell the world about your hangover? Go for it. But what if your hung-over flatmate is also in the photo? And what if she called into work sick that day? Or skipped a family lunch under the pretence of having to study? And what if her co-worker or sister see it on Facebook and discovers she wasn’t sick or studying after all?”

    Umm don’t lie in the first place and you won’t get caught out!

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    nf

    Its good to communicate but try face to fac
    this blogging etc is for bored people who write as they feel

    obviously bored…

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    jackstarbaby

    such good timing for this post.
    My biggest pet peeve is when people post on facebook
    “congratulations on your new baby girl Jane Jo Smith at 2.15 this morning weighing 7 pounds”
    Yes say congratulations but dont post all the details for everyone to see! and dont ever write conratulations for anything until you are sure the couple has announced it!

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      Eternally

      Yes, I hate it when people do that! It is abusing the privileged position they are in by being among the first to know. Perhaps that is why some people do it, to show off?

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        Chook

        Yup, sadly this is how a lot of our extended family found out that I was pregnant. We told a few people and planned on telling the rest as we saw them, one friend within minutes of being told had posted it on facebook! We asked him to take it down but the damage had already been done.

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          fee283

          i was told of my amazing friend’s 2nd pregnancy when she was 7wks along with the request i keep it to myself until i saw her facebook announcement which would be after she told extended family at 12wks – was the most exciting secret to keep knowing i would soon have another niece or nephew to spoil completely!

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      Sweet-ness

      Ohhh, pet peeve- posting photos of people’s weddings before the bride and groom get a chance.
      If you MUST, at least only post photos with other guests until the bride and groom have put some of their own up. Then put up the rest.

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        Melanie

        Oh my gosh! I can go one better. I photographed a close friend’s wedding and one of the bridesmaid’s boyfriend tagged along to the location shoot. Apparently whilst I was composing shots and working very hard at what I do he was over my shoulder with a camera, as evidenced by all of my lovely shots (taken very dodgy-like) all over facebook the next day for all to see. The bride and groom tagged in them and all. Still fuming two years later. Not only did they steal my intellectual property (and undermine my gift of professional wedding photography to my friend) they also got in there and posted before the couple got to share.
        This happens all the time. Just the other day i was saying to my friends that when I have a bubba I will be letting people know and adding on for them to PLEASE not announce anything on facebook. It is amazing that people are so freakin’ dense to not realise how rude they’re being!
        Sorry, rant over haha :P

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        Mostly

        I got married just a few weeks ago and I can tell you that multiple guests went home and uploaded their photos that very night. And tagged us. Some photos quite unflattering. Where have good manners gone? People who couldn’t come to the wedding have said to me ‘oh yes, I’ve already seen some pictures on FB…’ Yes. Unflaterring ones that I couldn’t control!

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      Anonymous

      Yes I hate this kind of thing too… I’m not on Facebook but my sister is and she posted a photo of she and I and my baby bump could clearly be seen (cause, let’s face it, second pregnancy, bump showing much sooner!)… I hadn’t had the chance to tell everyone yet and then I was receiving phone calls from friends saying congratulations because they had seen my tummy on her FB page. Not happy Jan…

      For the record, she would never have done it intentionally taking away my joy of telling my own friends about being pregnant, but it just proves that nothing is private anymore!

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      lisajensen

      Sadly enough there’s also been quite a few instances where family members have found out about the death of a loved one via FB – there’s been quite a few car accidents where people have posted the news before police have told the next of kin.

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    courtney

    My ex-boyfriend kept over 200 pics on his FB account, i had to make my dad ring him and threaten legal action because i had no idea how to make him take them off or what my rights were with a technology thats ever changing and the laws aren’t so current…

    I ask all my fiends if i can upload photo’s on to FB, most of the time they say no because they consider it a bad shot.
    being courtious and asking people if you can use them on YOUR social networking sites will go along way and maybe keep you out of trouble.

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      glutenfreelissy

      That’s a really nice idea to ask people! I’ve stopped posting photos on FB, but I guess it’s okay if you ask.

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        Anonymous

        or I put them up – but so only the people in them can see – then ask if they mind others seeing..

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    Bookworm

    I feel like I’m still in the process of working it out.

    My facebook consists of close friends and family. I regularly post photos of my kids and talk about them on there (no naked photos, and all my album privacy settings are set to be viewed only by my friends). A friend of mine doesn’t want me posting any photos of my kids that include her kids, and I respect that. I don’t post any photos that show my house number or car license plate.

    On twitter, I use my real first name, and talk about my kids, but only identify them by their age, not name. I don’t share photos of them on twitter.

    On my blog, I use my real first name, and identify my children by the first letter of their first name. There is only one photo of them on the blog, taken years ago, and doesn’t show their faces front on. I’m not planning on putting any more photos of them on my blog (which is about op shopping).

    Still trying to decide whether that’s enough, or whether I am too cautious. I enjoy reading mummy blogs and seeing pics of their children, and seeing pics of my twitter friends children. I figure it’s easier to err on the side of caution for now.

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    Jackie Katsianas

    I have a blog read by about 4 people; nevertheless I never post pics if my kids and don’t use their names, and tell only sketchy details and stories that wouldn’t embarass them. I think kids now will grow up with it being normal to have their lives documented and archived online; I have even thought maybe our kids might grow up to resent us NOT having created an “archive” for them to mine as they like later. But I’m erring on the side of caution so far

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    Free Human Being

    Privacy in the home is so important. In Oz our homes are our castle/sanctuary.

    I’ve never been a fan of sharing my kids photos on face book other than a couple of family pics. I don’t understand people who post naked pics of their children and the like.

    I’m not so stuffy about privacy in public, personally I feel that the more cameras we have the safer society will be and the less crime we would have.

    In fact if there were a bazillion cameras everywhere, you couldn’t commit crime ever in public without getting caught.

    ………..Pondering…………….

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    Angie

    I thought Leta was 6 or 7? Anyhoo, I have been thinking about starting a blog myself because I love to write, but have been apprehensive because blogging is so incredibly public. Is it ok to have a blog that is authentic except for using your own names and the names of your kids?

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      JohnJames

      I think if you’re honest about not using your real names, then yes…

      I think in this type of case, my idea of owning your online identity by using your real name is clearly mitigated by a need for privacy…

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    JohnJames

    As I commented on a different article this week, I used to use nick-names and funny photos on most of my social media, but have recently decided to use my real name…because I’ve come to the conclusion that if you are going to share your life online, then you better be prepared to own it!

    I think its a good attitude to have…realistically, privacy is shrinking…so if you are going to have an online presence, be yourself…don’t hide behind nicknames and avatars…because by being honest about your identity, it makes you really think about how you are presenting yourself online…

    Sure, there are times when posting anonymously is an important right…and I don’t want people to do something they’re not comfortable doing…but by owning your online identity, I think you empower yourself somewhat…

    But I do draw the line about how much I mention other people in my posts. For example, I never post details about my partner, apart from the fact that I have one. She is a decidedly more private person than I am, so I respect that and never repeat things she’s said to me, or post about things she’s done, or things that have happened to her…unless she agrees to first.

    This is why I’m a little uncomfortable about people posting images and stories about their children. (I should point out that I don’t have any children myself, so I may not be the definitive expert on this topic.) I’m not sure it’s fair to make your children’s life public beyond your immediate family or close friends when they don’t have any say in it…at least while they’re too young to make that decision. I have archived many of my family photos on my FB account, including many photos of my Nephews and Nieces…but I only share these galleries with my FB friends…they are not public galleries.

    When your children are older and can make these decisions for themselves, then sure…make their life public if the want. It can be fun to share your life with other people…but only if your children are happy to do that.

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    carlyfindlay

    As a blogger I am always careful when I write about and post pictures of friends and family. I always ask them before doing so. I only mention their names if they give me permission/already blog. When I wrote about a boy I loved, some things rather personal, I showed him the draft and he said it was ok to post. I recently met an American singer with a friend, and he begged me to put the pic of us meeting her on my blog!

    I only post pictures of me with other people on FB if they are on FB too. And I feel uneasy putting pics of children online. Over easter I found a heap of pics of me as a baby onward to primary school. Some pics featured other children. I blogged and FBd some. Even though these pics are 25 – 30 years old and we’re now all adults, I worried about putting pics of children online.

    As for revealing TMI online – it amazes me how much people reveal online. Something that made my jaw drop this week was a friend openly suspecting her partner was having an affair – through a series of FB updates. And then she apologised to him – on FB – when it turned out he wasn’t. I wondered if she’d had any discussions with him in person about the probs in their relationship, or if living it online is the new thing?

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      Fiona

      I agree completely. Never put online what you wouldn’t be prepared to admit to face to face with someone. I blog also and sometimes put my older kids in, mainly as an aside to myself, or to a story I’ll write about.