Once upon a time, there was a porn video. It was passed from guy to guy and they watched it furtively on the VHS when nobody else was around. After a few enjoyable watches, they passed it on to a mate, or hid it under their bed for ‘special occasions’ (did they watch it together in groups? Or only if they were NRL players?).
Ah, the olden days. If you’re over 30, that’s probably the world in which you grew up, where porn was difficult to get hold of and reasonably standard. Boy meets girls. Boy has sex with girl. Some close ups. Maybe some girl-girl action. Minimal dialogue. Sparse plot. A money shot. The end.
But then the interweb came along and changed the game entirely. This cannot be understated. Now everyone could access unlimited porn, pretty much for free, any time of day or night on their computer and now on their phone. As something becomes more common and easily available, it has to evolve to remain interesting to an audience who quickly become jaded. Enter anal sex and the way ‘bottoms have become the new mouths‘ to coin a euphemism we discussed recently here.
But what affect is this having on a generation of men – adult men and young men, teenage boys and even pre-teens who are being exposed to full-on porn in all its permutations from an ever earlier age. Girls too. How is it going to impact up a generation who see all this stuff before they have sex themselves?
There was a brilliant interview in Sunday Life mag recently with feminist Naomi Wolf by Australian writer and author Emily Maguire. In part, Emily wrote…….
Pornography has long been a contentious subject for feminists, although it’s not, as stereotypes would have it, a case of anti-porn feminists screaming for censorship on one side and raunch feminists mindlessly swinging their nipple tassels on the other. In the past decade or so – a period in which we’ve seen the proliferation of free, easily accessible internet porn – feminist debate around pornography has been focused on the effects it might have, positive or negative, on the women in porn, the women who watch it and the women in relationships with men who watch it.
So when Wolf wrote an essay in New York magazine in 2003, centred on the effect of porn on young men’s sex drives, there was quite a stir. “The onslaught of porn,” she wrote, “is responsible for deadening male libido in relation to real women … Far from having to fend off porn-crazed young men, young women are worrying that as mere flesh and blood, they can scarcely get, let alone hold, their attention.”
In the past few years I’ve spent a lot of time talking to women in their teens and early 20s about porn, sex and body image. There is a profound difference in the context in which these women have come of sexual age compared to that of my adolescence only a decade earlier. The difference is that most young people now have witnessed countless sex acts long before they even get naked with another human being.
It could be argued that such exposure is educational, but only if you’ve never seen any mainstream porn, which is, most industry insiders and observers agree, getting more and more extreme. This may be, at least in part, a reaction to the adoption of soft-porn aesthetics by mainstream popular culture. Porn needs to be nastier and more hard-core to differentiate itself from beer ads and music videos.
Anal sex, for example, is now a standard part of heterosexual porn, and although this is not necessarily a brutal act, the way it’s performed in these films usually is. A bit of spit on the woman’s orifice is all the preparation and care the men take. On visits to college campuses, Wolf learnt from health educators and counsellors that women are coming in with anal fissures caused by sex. “I’m not making a [moral] judgement about it,” Wolf says.
“But it’s an intense act and on a first date, or on a hook-up on a Saturday night with someone they don’t know, girls feel like they have to provide anal sex. This doesn’t seem like the kind of thing they’d be doing if they felt, ‘I’m 100 per cent fabulous, I’m setting the pace, taking my time.’ It seems like the kind of thing girls do when they’re trying to live up to one ideal or another.”
The other big trend in mainstream porn is to end a scene with a man ejaculating on a woman’s face. Again, there’s nothing wrong with the act in itself, but there’s something disturbing about the way it has become the norm within what has become a widely watched and imitated form of media. This is especially worrying when you realise that the context in which it’s presented is often one of deliberate humiliation. The idea seems to be that no matter how hot and confident the woman is at the outset, by the end she’ll be a sticky mess, with smudged make-up, watery eyes and no hope of getting satisfaction herself now that her partner has finished with her.
Sexually experienced adults may understand that what they’re watching is a fantasy, carefully choreographed, performed by professionals and shot for maximum visual impact rather than physical pleasure. But many teenagers don’t know this; hence the horror stories of first-time sex that begins with rough, sudden penetration and finishes with semen in the eye.
To be clear, the concerns Wolf is raising are not about the morality or otherwise of watching porn or having sex of whatever kind; they’re about the effect that early, repeated exposure to pornography is having on young people’s sexuality. “Young women do compare themselves to pornography and they do have porn running in their heads when they’re in sexual situations. I’m not a prude, but I don’t think that’s good for their sexual confidence or confidence in their bodies.”
Indeed, young women I speak to often express anxiety about the appearance of their genitals, which seem to them so much “messier” than those they see in high-definition close-up on the screen. Although no statistics are collected in Australia, surgeons specialising in labiaplasty (basically a nip and tuck of the labia) claim it’s a growing field. One Australian surgeon recently told a cosmetic surgery conference that he used to see only “the professionals – the pole dancers, the strippers” but now he was seeing a lot of “young girls who are concerned that their partners in sex may in fact be put off by the appearance of their vulvas”.
Contributing to the problem is the fact that it’s illegal in Australia to publish images of vulvas that show anything more than “a single crease”. This means that even women’s magazines aren’t allowed to show real, un-pornified, un-photoshopped female genitals for educational purposes. I’m reminded of something Wolf wrote in The Beauty Myth: “We are asked to believe our culture promotes the display of female sexuality. It actually shows almost none. It censors representations of women’s bodies, so that only the official versions are visible.”
The Beauty Myth taught masses of women to question harmful media images and messages. The challenge now is to do the same for a new generation facing a new onslaught. And as we do so, we’d do well to remember that, as Wolf wrote in 1990, “Sexual explicitness is not the issue.” In fact, “We could use a lot more of that, if explicit meant honest and revealing.”
You can follow Emily Maguire on Twitter here.
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I thought this was so brilliant. As a mother of boys, I am terrified about what porn will teach them about sex and how a man behaves during sex and how WOMEN behave. Real women as opposed to the ones in porn who are portrayed as liking (even demanding) things that most women definitely do not.
Do you watch porn? Do you have sex with someone who does? How does that make you feel? Insecure? And I’m super keen to hear from younger MM readers who have probably become sexually active in a world where porn is practically wallpaper. What are your experiences and do you think porn gives guys a warped view of what women want? Do you think it gives WOMEN a warped view about what they SHOULD want and how they should look and respond?








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Do you watch porn?
No, I have actually never seen it. I’m 25 and wasn’t exposed at high school and since then decided not too as I don’t want the images in my head as I know they’ll be hard to remove and I’m not sure porn will make me more good sexually. (haha terrible english but i can’t think how else to put it!)
Do you have sex with someone who does?
My husband doesn’t look at pornography, we talk lots about our sex life and sexuality in general and both really belive/feel our relationship is better without it. I should say, some spiritual beliefs are a part of this too. We have some good sex books that are honest, real, helpful, fun and exciting to learn new positions/ideas/techniques – the philosophy of one book (A Celebration of Sex) is that you are to get a phd in your mates body, i like this phrase, so it is about having the best sex together, him and me. I am sure it is not easy at times for him, like most/all men he had seen porn in the past but pretty infrequently (and actually quite regretfully), anyway it is how we roll and I do think passing by the instant gratification of porn and working hard at having a great sex relationship together has been really good!
How does that make you feel? Insecure?
I know the supposed right thing to do is to just be cool with your partner looking at porn (aka SATC girls) but that is not how I am and I can’t help but feel insecure adn actually a bit betrayed by this.
Do you think it gives WOMEN a warped view about what they SHOULD want and how they should look and respond?
How could you not (as I said, I don’t have much experience with porn apart from the covers of mags in servos and what I have heard) but as a high school teacher (at an all girls school) I am very aware that many girls look at porn to LEARN about sex! They rarely view for sexual pleasure but rather so they can know about sex and be good at sex even before they’ve had sex. I think that is messed up. Sex is really a precious gift to us and I think within the context of deep love, trust and respect together two people can learn, explore and discover sexual pleasures. hmm, life is probably messier than that and that probably sounds too idealistic but I just feel for these girls and want them to know there is another way (a less anxiety producing way) to learn about sex than porn. Gosh, the first time I had sex (was with my husband) and it was pretty terrible! haha! But there was no pressure or shame or anything we could just laugh about what went wrong and say, better luck next time : ) and it was better, and ended up getting much better.
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At 29 I consider myself to be one of those people who has grown up with porn as part of the backdrop to sexuality. It has certainly meant that I have had to spend more time educating my partners about what is realistic and what isn’t and a good deal of that energy has been spent in explaining to them what women (but mainly me, because I can’t speak for other women) actually enjoy. And while most of the men I have met enjoy porn and I would never discourage my husband from watching it, I think that if women are willing to be more outspoken about what they actually enjoy, then we can teach men that real life sex can be so much more exciting than anything in porn. Why? Because most men will admit, there is nothing more exciting (and nothing that makes them feel better about themselves) than really making a woman enjoy herself!
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I had a boyfriend in my early 20s who would go on and on about wanting to ejaculate on my face or have anal sex. Thank God for my steely resolve to say no – I feel awful for all those ladies out there who give in to avoid feelings of inadequacy
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My current boyfriend – and the first and only person I have had sex with – asks every now and then if he can ejaculate on my face or have anal sex and every time I say no, he has this expression which is in essence his disappointed face. This in turn makes me feel guilty for not saying ‘yeah why not’.
And him watching porn makes me feel ridiculously self-concious. What if I’m not what he wants? They all have bigger boobs, are skinnier etc. And what if he just wants sex where I want love? I have no issue with him watching porn, but sometimes it makes me uncomfortable when we are together.
I am proud of myself for saying no, and for him backing off when I do, but I’m still anxious and don’t know what to think about it.
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I am very happy to see that this issue has been brought up as I also feel it has become a genuine concern for our generation. I am 25 and have just had a baby. My sex life with my husband is great and I would say that we both have very realistic expectations (when a baby comes along, you simply lower your expectations and have sex whenever/however you can lol). However, before having our baby and getting to a healthy stage in our relationship, we have had major issues with sex. My husband is very sexually active and we used to occasionally watch porn together. He never has put pressure on me to do anything I didn’t want to during sex but has mentioned to me some of his experiences as a young man which sometimes mimic porn very closely. Threesomes and anal sex are part of these experiences and that has always made me feel like I am somehow not entirely fulfilling his sexual fantasies. A couple of years ago, I was head down into completing a uni degree, work experience and working part-time as a waitress. I was very stressed at the time and found my interest in sex had diminished (although we still had very regular sex). This became such a concern that it led to us breaking up for a while as he constantly made a huge deal of the fact we wouldn’t have sex for 2 or 3 days sometimes. He was acting like very regular sex was a lifeline for him and he would act like he was on the verge of a heart attack if he didnt have sex for a couple of days. Feeling the pressure too much, and feeling abused, I opted out.
However, my most vivid experience in relation to how porn has warped our minds goes back to my teens. As a young girl, I had been bombarded with so many representations of perfect women, I developed a major complex about my breasts. Before breastfeeding, I had slightly inverted nipples and because they didn’t look the picture of perfection seen in most magazines/tv, I thought that men would be put off by them. I consequently could not take my bra off during sexual intercourse and I found that this ruined a lot of my sexual experiences as a young girl. Being so self-conscious made me unable to relax and enjoy the act. Thankfully, I figured that out after a while and decided that whoever I was sleeping with was not worth it if they couldn’t get passed such things as perfect breasts. Of course I realised that this was my issue as most boys did not even worry about my breasts and thought they were fine! Women’s body image is a real concern these days…. I now have a daughter, and hope that we can resort to this issue for future generations.
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the issue of internet porn really worries me as I worry about how it influences young guys my age(I’m 21). I have had the experience twice of being pressured to do anal sex. I said no both times but I worry that it is only going to get harder for women to say no as society increasingly promotes sex as if it is all about instant release and personal gratification. Sex can be about that but it is much more enjoyable to most women when it is about two people who want to express their love and respect for one another. A person that loves you should NEVER pressure you into anything you don’t feel comfortable about. I know a guy I work with who leaves Zoo magazines under the desk at work as if he wants us girls to read them….weird. Plus the girls in the magazine look ugly.
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I was so happy to read this post. I am 22 years old and believe porn is warping men and women’s view of sex. Porn has been a major issue in my current relationship.
My current boyfriend is completely absorbed in the porn world. It has been a major issue, our sex life has been completely damaged because of porn and he doesn’t understand. He is always trying to up the “kinky” factor of our sex life and it is never without rehearsed porn lines dripping in obscenities. Because I am against anal, spanking and objects being put in my rear I am somehow against the norm according to my boyfriend. The accessibility of porn I feel is already proving not enough. Boys are always wanting a more intense visual experience and women are unfortunately put in extremely degrading positions. This obsession has trickled into the social networking arena aswell. I found out my boyfriend was searching sites looking for girls that looked like girls in the porn videos. Adding them and pleasing himself over their pictures was to him porn in a local arena. These bikini clad girls lived in his city, where accessible, making the experience much more intense.
I constantly talk to my friend’s younger brothers about porn, explaining to them that that isn’t sex. Woman can’t be treated like that! I think porn can have its place in a relationship but when boys believe that that’s the bread and butter of sex then we have a problem, which unfortunately is becoming the case. Women need to stand up against being treated like blow up dolls even if it does displease their partner. Sex is a two way street, unfortunately women are constantly putting themselves in compromising positions to please their men and be the girl his friends know is freaky in bed.
ps…i love your blog mia, you open up dialogues on issues that need to be talked about!
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OMG Ava! Are we dating the same guy by any chance, because your man does the same thing mine does- adding the dirtiest, cheapest, easiest, sluttiest girls he can find on facebook and saving some of their pics on his PC so he wank off to them while Im at work???
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I think the porn culture is growing among the younger generation. It is definitely used more and more, and is seen in a more public,and open context. I think for younger men, such as myself, my expectations have been influenced by the videos I have seen. However, I am a considerate sexual partner. A lot of the stuff that the girls do in porn I am disgusted by and would never let my partner do to me, no matter how pleasurable. It seems inane and unfair to expect the a female to do such debilitating and self-disrespectful stuff.
I saw this video a few months ago, it is called Make Love Not Porn, by Cindy Gallop http://blog.ted.com/2009/12/cindy_gallop_ma.php
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I’m currently 20 and have been with my first bf for about 15 months. We are currently sexually active and he is not shy about having his sexual desires heard. He has himself confessed that he has a fetish for anal sex and always persistently tries to get me to do it with him. I’m very adamant that it is something I am not interested in although I do feel pressured as he constantly asks on each occasion as it does seem the norm for him, along with ejaculating on the face. One time, he was being forceful that he did manage to slip it in (despite no consent) and I was humiliated beyond words to say the least.
As mentioned by others, I think anal sex is not a negative act in itself but the way it is portrayed through the porn medium gives a wrong image to its viewers and the sexual community, particularly the growing young girls and boys. After reading on MIA, I feel more comfortable with my decision to not have anal sex but the pressure placed by those who watch porn to execute the same acts in order to feel domination is very strong and damaging and does nothing to help girls feel better about their own struggling body images and to feel confidence in their own decisions, morals and ideals.
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I don’t want to be rude, but I would be questioning my relationship if I was in one with a guy who behaved like this. Your boyfriend does not sound respectful or loving in the least. Have you addressed this particular incident with him?
I feel very grateful to have my partner if ejaculating on a woman’s face is regarded as a normal act by boys/men these days.
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Anon, of you think she should consider questioning that relationship, then I should be questioning mine, which I am. My partner of nearly 9 years is 110% into porn. It is so bad that he has actually joined a dogging site and also has a sex surrogate. I am 42 in low paid job with not many friends after moving from NSW to Vic. I am also on anti depressants and have had the implanon rod as a contraceptive every three years for nearly nine years. My libido is Zilcho. He told me that now that he is in his forties, that sex if a very important part of his life and he needs that to make him happy. But the problem is I won’t ever have the need to have sex with him now that he has a surrogate. He always says Im his soul mate and first choice for sex. But the worst part is if I have sex with him say in the morning, he will go out and have sex the the surrogate. I always thought it was about the frequency as he says he wants the average of three times a week, but I feel due to porn and the dogging sites its more the kinkiness and perverse of it all. I told him he should take up full time with his sex surrogate as obviously their libidos are in sinc. But he doesnt want to. Can u imagine what this is doing to me. I am in favour of the government introcing Porn filters. So can u imagine what this is doing to me?
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For gods sake (and your own) get rid of this guy. You look like a friendly attractive person that could (and should) have someone who will treat you with the respect that you deserve.
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Hi,
I am also a young woman and have worked in the field of violence agianst women for a number of years. Your post really concerned me as it appears that what you have expririenced is sexual assault and not in fact a consensual sexual relationship in which you are free to make choices and say no at any time.
It is not okay for someone to pressure you for sex or attempt to pressure you into sexual activity that you you do not wish to participate in. Your boyfriends behaviour is not okay and you don’t need to put up with this kind of treatment.
This website might be worth taking a look at…
http://www.dvrcv.org.au/whenlove/
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Mia
Think this is a thought-provoking blog. Unfourtunately I think your comment about NRL players (although probably a joke – still has the same impact) is unfair. Your are stereotyping these men based on the actions on a very few and this is simply wrong.
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It has been common in the 70s & 80s for blokes to have a porn movie night at Sports Clubs (usually amateur or local clubs who sometimes would also get a stripper). This is before the outrageous behaviour of NRL players had been revealed. I think this ‘culture’ and ‘group mentality’ that has come from this sort environment is the source of many sportsmen treating women in a degrogatory manner.
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Put simply. Husband watches alot of porn. Has unrealistic views on what women want & what women should do in bed. I feel inadequate. Husband needs to know not all women born looking like porn stars or needing to do porn-star-like-activites for money. Husband needs to grow the f*$k up and join the real world.
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Anna, it’s not about you. Don’t feel inadequate. Most guys who like porn are 1) a little fearful of true intimacy and so they stick with fake/easy or 2) feel unsure of themselves sexually. This might not be the case with your hubby but I reckon a little tactful (honest) praise in the bedroom might help him feel great about himself and gravitate towards the real thing instead of the fake moans and money shots. It sounds a bit manipulative but they say if you build your man up a it and make him feel like the big strong (grown up and mature) man he wants to be he might just start acting like one. Just don’t be fake yourself in your praise, be real and it will come right back at ya. Also, feel sexy yourself! At the end of the day, even a man who is fearful of a strong woman still finds her sexy no matter what. xx I’m sure you are sexy as hell.
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Doesn’t do anything for me. BF kindly sent me the infamous Pirates dvd which I gaffawed over with a couple of girlfriends. We chuckled at the fake boobs and story-line over canapes and chardy. Poor BF hadn’t seen it and thought it was pron specially for girls which is an oxymoron as I truly believe porn is really made for men. But hey I might be wrong on that one. My idea of girl porn is the BF doing my dishes and cleaning the kitchen with his shirt off.
Men watching these vids must feel a little insecure surely in relation to the size of the Woodsmens donga’s – lordy some of them are massive and scary and I wouldn’t let them near my lady-parts!
Seriously though it is a growing industry and I believe in part people become desensitised to it and sadly, many people strive to get a bigger fix (no pun intended).
Years ago, most young men would only be exposed to native boosoms in National Geographic – now it’s everywhere – anyone checked out Sat morning Video Hits recently? SCARY!
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“Woodsmen’s Donga’s”
i found this embarrassingly hilarious!
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I think it starts at an even more basic level. I am not a prude, but I think it’s amazing that news agents etc sell all those mags with boobs hanging out at kids’ eye level. How about putting them up high or in a certain section of the shop? What ideas is that planting in young girls (and boys) minds?
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agree totally. it’s all about exposure
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I’ve never been a watcher of porn, I don’t really get off on it. Haven’t seen that much, to be honest. I don’t mind reading stuff (thanks Cosmo for their features back in the day).
I can usually tell when the bloke has been watching it, because new moves appear in bed! I’m pretty open about it though, so will give everything a go once. If I don’t like it or it hurts or whatever, it stops, and there’s no drama from either of us. Always something else to do!
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Also, I wonder about the expectations that girls get from the books they read. Like, girls who are really into romances, Mills & Boons etc. Does that make them expect every encounter to be swoon worthy with a demi god?
Sometimes people feel like wham bam thank you maam (or man) and sometimes its a prolonged afternoon or whatever. Each can be good.
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So true, I have some girlfriends with checklists as long as their arms about the perfect man and how they will marry a well off man who will be romantic, but not soppy, sexy but not threateningly so, and drive a BMW and live in the perfect house and have perfect children that fit in with a perfect job (but one that still allows time to do life enriching things and have fun) and everything will be perfect.
They get those ideas from somewhere and instead of going ban mills and boon and magazines and movies that promote such unrealistic expectations we understand only some women are negatively affected and like the body image campaign we work to moderate the industry combined with educating women to be aware of the media they consume. But porn? Oh no the above approach can’t work, let’s ban porn. Seems very lopsided to support the complex approach to women’s issues with misrepresentations of life but not for men it’s the subtle as a sledgehammer approach.
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There’s another side to this discussion. The fact that porn is now so mainstream and accessible means that there are plenty of people out there wanting to cash in. What guys who watch porn probably don’t realise is that half the ‘women’ in the movies are actually very, very young girls – about the same age as their daughters probably. Also, if the porn was manufactured in Eastern Europe MOST of the girls in the film will have been trafficked, made addicted to drugs and forced to take part in the sex acts depicted. Not so sexy now is it? Groups like A21 fight against human trafficking and say that we need to educate our young men of these facts in order to help stop the trafficking of young girls (& boys). Check out the movie ‘Taken’ for more info on sex trafficking.
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Perhaps we should all start putting our own amateur stuff up online to even out the playing field a bit?
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Some observations about men and sex:
The men I am close to (ie, husband, friends, family) seem to be unrecognisable from the “men” some of these comments refer to (ie, men who ogle, men who are preoccumpied with porn, men who have a “typical high sex drive”).
Of course I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, I’m just talking about the ‘public’ aspect of these men’s sexuality. They are basically the kind of blokes who talk about sex with their wives and girlfriends, but otherwise keep it private. Of the people I’m thinking of, I can’t remember the last time I saw one of them flirt or sneak a peek at anyone other than “their” woman.
But these are men with wives, girlfriends and babies, so one must assume that sex is happening.
In trying to think about what might be different about these men, I’d say the following is (mostly) true of the blokes I am close with:
They don’t buy mens magazines.
They don’t watch commercial tv much.
They don’t use the internet for entertainment (very much).
They don’t see shopping as a recreational activity, and don’t care what other men are wearing/how they do their hair/what is “in fashion”.
Therefore, commercial society is the source of all evil! Only kidding. But it is an interesting observation – if I do say so myself!
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I should say that I’m not making a judgment about men who ogle, men who are preoccupied with porn and men with “typical high sex drives”. I just don’t think I know any
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I think that you may have been referring to my post. Let me just quantify that I have no idea about these guys *actual* sex drives, but having worked in hospitality, there is A LOT of graphic sex talk, innuendo, ogling, commenting, whatnot, so these are mainly the men I am talking about. They are unapologetic.
It may sound as if I was generalising, I don’t want that to be the case. There are so many great guys around who I have related to as friends and the topic of sex is never brought up in any context, let alone an offensive way, and they are respectful towards women. The majority of guys I know fall into this catergory.
In terms of sex and sexual explicitness, it is the men I have worked with who have put a *dirty* spin on everything and have influenced how I think about men thinking about sex. It’s all environment.
There was a time I couldn’t pick up a jug of milk, or a stick of salami, banana, carrot, cucumber… you get the idea.
I certainly don’t want to tar all guys with the same brush though.
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My boyfriend is one of those guys you describe. He doesn’t watch porn and doesn’t buy mens magazines. He actually tells me what is wrong with both of these things and about how lame they are compared to a real flesh and blood woman. He never ogles or stares at anyone but me or talk about sex or our sex life with anyone but me. I agree that it has alot to do with consumerism. My boyfriend and I dont watch much tv or read magazines and it’s amazing how your life changes in regard to how you feel about yourself when you arent exposed to all of the consumerism.
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I have a 14 year old son and we have strong internet parental security and filters on our home computers. I change the passwords regularly and run ‘tests’ to see if they are accurately filtering pornography. However these measures in our home don’t prevent him viewing pornography on his friends computers or on their mobile phones. All we can do is bring up the subject occasionally, when the time is right, and discuss how the women in these videos are usually drugged or coerced and sex between real-life, loving, consenting adults is very different to what is displayed on screen.
It’s a hard time to be a parent of an adolescent boy!
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If you’re filtering a 14 year old boys internet viewing you can guarantee they’re seeing it somewhere else. I’d much rather them watch it at home. Especially as you can usually find out what they’ve seen then too.
I’m a girl, so I think the drive is a bit different to a boy, but by 14 I was a regular porn viewer. Not full length movies or anything, but I would look up pictures and stories and sometimes small videos. I know a lot of girls even now who’ve never watched porn, so I may not be the norm, but I wasnt alone either.
Just to put this into perspective though… I’ve been interested in porn since I was 12 and started masturbating then too, but now, as a 24 yr old, I’m still a virgin by choice. I havent found the right guy yet so I havent had sex, even though I’ve been exposed to the porn industry for 12 years.
Seeing porn isnt necessarily going to make someone a sex addict or make them treat women like scum.
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I understand the theory of this issue, yet I haven’t really seen it in practice.
I never really watched porn, but I did read romance novels… which urrr in parts of kinda like porn. I did go out with guys who watched porn (obviously). Most were pretty excited to have sex.
One guy did hint around me for anal once. I said he was welcome to try it with someone else. He then quickly agreed it was disgusting and we never spoke about it again.
Maybe I’ve just been really lucky, but every guy I’ve been with has cared about making sure I had a good time too. Earlier on when it hurt a bit, I was amazed at how considerate my boyfriend was. He was the one backing off, not me.
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This post and the “is anal the new oral” post have really got me thinking about how I will talk to the kids about sex when the time comes (right now they’re only toddlers). The things I have thought about not only include the standard sex talk, but talking to both my son and daughter about the teenage girl experience of having sex and getting my husband to talk about the teenage boy experience. It sounds like if I’m going that far I should also be talking about the psychological impact of porn, especially to my son, most importantly how unrealistic it is when you are sexually inexperienced but also how it has the potential to deaden your appetite for real sex. Also making sure that I develop the confidence of my daughter to say no to anything she is not comfortable with.
When my mum gave me the sex talk she only asked me if I knew about periods, I said yes and that was it. How different is that? (i think if she had done a better job I would have made wiser choices regarding sex)
I just feel that because all this sort of info is so readily available that i’d rather my kids got it from someone they can trust with an adult perspective than see something and make their own interpretation of it.
Slightly off topic but still relevant i think, I read a comment to another post, can’t remember what it was about, but someone was talking about how she showed her daughter how photoshop works by talking a photo of herself and making her look ten years younger. This is definitely something I will do with my daughter when she is old enough. It seems to me that we need to seriously think about how we educate our kids about how media operates in porn, magazines etc. so they understand its not reality. But hopefully all of Mia’s hard work will pay off by the time my kids are old enough for this to be a real issue
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That was me with the photoshop thing, and it’s funny that you should bring it up in this context, becauase I overheard my daughter on the phone to one of her friends last night talking about Lady Gaga video. Neither of them have seen the video in question but they’ve heard about it, they were wondering whether Gaga actually does “sexy stuff” for the camera or does someone fake it on a computer. I don’t know whether it’s faked or not, but I’m so glad that they are now questioning the images they see and hear about.
She’s too young for the porn conversation now, but hopefully we can keep the idea faked images going so that conversation will be a natural extension in a few years time.
There are a few videos on youtube showing the sort of photoshop transformation I did if anyone needs it, this one is very good becuase it shows the hair and makeup process as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcFlxSlOKNI
(Sorry about going so far off topic everyone)
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I’m right on the tail-end of all the interesting & articulate Mamamia commenters so I apologise if anyone has already mentioned what I’m about to post.
Naomi Wolf’s second book “Promiscuity” deals with aspects of this very subject. I think it’s a better book in reference to porn, and youth, and ideals (The Beauty Myth is a “biggie” – and made plenty of inroads and waves in its day – but this one is more relevant to sexuality in our western developed societies. And porn, fortunately or unfortunately, is very much a part of that now.)
In context to delving in to what effects I believe porn has on the expression of our younger members of society (in both their personal and public relationships, and roles), this article reminds me why I get so saddened at how much has actually changed in a mere 10 years since I read “Promiscuity”.
In it, Ms Wolf discusses the very fact that most young boys and girls in their teens – yes, they are very much still boys and girls – have not met or traversed certain “life stages” (and she’s not referring to the obvious ones) until they are emotionally equipped. She states, candidly, that they are definitely not emotionally equipped by having sex in their teens (let alone some of them in their earliest teen years – try 12, 13, 14!!!!).
Ms Wolf has some very conclusive empirical evidence about male-female relations (and the inevitable demise of – statistically solid in her argument) and our societal responsibilities to our girls and boys (or lack of responsibility). She contrasts our western way of life to many less-developed, yet anthropologically significant cultures. She also delves into the notions of rites of passage in these more gender-segregated yet female-as-equal hierarchial societies. She questions where, if any, do our rites of passage lie…….. and if so, how healthy are they to and for our youth.
Unfairly to our western adolescents, so much emphasis (not necessarily approval, but silent apathy and tolerance as such) is placed on the “act” of “becoming” a man or a woman through losing one’s virginity.
Ms Wolf states that we don’t have any “formalised” rites of passage – no, not just completing school studies or voting, or working, which are all meant to prepare us for the world in some practical sense. She believes that we actually cheat our youth (I’d say stunt) by allowing them to “behave” in certain ways for our very floored versions of cultural rites of passage.
These usually include sex, and alcohol, and more often than not, they’re now including the subject matter of Mai’s post and this article. WOW, how did we get HERE??!!!!!!
So, in developmental terms, Naomi Wolf’s saying that western boys and girls have one of our most important emotionally intimate rites of passage to “become men and women” when we lose our virginity. Yet they’re still girls and boys, more often well into adulthood.
Going further on this: Prof Patrick McGorry (yes, our 2010 Australian of the Year) has essentially backed up Ms Wolf – in a roundabout kind of way.
Prof McGorry has publicly stated that youths’ brains do not cease their development stage – that is, those important areas that are still developing so as to help us with healthy decision making, rationale, insight, drawing on experience etc, areas such as the amygdyla, the hippocampus, the neurotransmitters, the neural pathways and many other technicaly hardwired, technically vulnerable areas inside the brain DO NOT STOP DEVELOPING – UNTIL A “CHILD” IS IN THEIR MID TO LATE 20′s. That would lead us to believe that at in the earlier years, when adolescents (and many adolescent-behaved adults) are making decision, they’re also rejecting authorty, questioning boundaries, and doing/thinking things that are rarely fully thought through.
Combine the studies about sex that Naomi Wolf refers to that most adolescents indeed are making (at some point in the varied spectrum of their 8 “trying” teen years), WITH the ongoing dancing-around-ideas we do here in Australia about where porn fits in society, and its no wonder that more and more teenagers and young adults utilise it, have an unhealthy ideation toward it and deem anything below this “benchmark” as potentially unworthy.
Am not meaning to sound like I’m on a theological or gender based rant here, but that translates into “not capable of having or making normal decisions” kinda behaviour.
Not just teens – but as I said above, some adults too…..
Something needs to be said or done in this country, to help preserve some moral foundation that is slowly crumbling. As I said, I not ranting theologically nor on a gender soap box, but it does worry me for my own nieces and nephews, god-children, and kids of friends.
What about the recently launched Healthy Body Image initiative and the issues of the range of normal body shapes, sizes, colours, textures. These get sidelined for more taut, tight, toughened, tangible “territory”, as the journalist mentioned above, when the effects of porn on how we see ourselves or are seen by others is more prevalent in the mind’s eye.
Porn is also quite likely to cause an eventual (premature) demise in one’s libido when sex or body characteristics don’t measure up to the obligatory barometer of “porn acceptable features”. One of the commenters below mentioned a former boyfriend or ex-husband who was declining sex more and more, only for her to later find out he had a storehouse of porn on the computer…… no, it’s not us sexy and sensate women who aren’t capable of having healthy sex lives and or keeping up with a myriad of different positions. It’s porn that DUMBS many people down because it heightens only their visual areas of the brain and the relevant neuro-transmitters that fire up at visual images (guys are already very visually programmed), while stunting all the other senses involved in good healthy sex. Porn doesn’t develop these other specific neural pathways.
So if it does that to “fully grown” adults I’d go one step further and say it’s truly risky for the ethics and values our culture is supposed to represent and is so desperately trying to hang on to. To allow the quantity as well as the variety of porn that is currently available here, to actually be here……
I sense some bigger problems for Australian society looming on the horizon if this isn’t addressed.
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I think some of the very long and indeed fascinating conversations below point to a big problem that resonates with me. A lot of women, myself included, don’t understand the predominantly male preoccupation with porn. Or, for myself at least, with sex. I like sex, but it’s not on my mind night and day.
I loved the comment way down at the beginning about men’s super strong sex drive being something that is tolerated and something that women have to accept. These are the exact quotes-
*The experience of sexual desire is not an entitlement to sexual release.*
*“When you’re horny, you’re horny” assumes that the male sex drive is so high/strong that it cannot be tamed and should not be expected to be.*
This is just a question, so don’t jump down my throat (innuendo free please-ew!) – Is it purely biological that men need/want sex (seemingly) so much? Or is society just set up to allow men to feel that their desire has free reign?
As a woman with an admittedly low sex drive, it is hard for me to reconcile that a guy I’m with would feel dissatisfied if I wasn’t putting out as much as he wanted. I guess it’s about balance and communication, but it can make life difficult when an otherwise healthy relationship is compromised by an issue such as this.
As for the guy friends I have who ogle women in my presence or make lewd comments and then when I object, say stuff like, “I’m a guy, get over it”, why should I have to get over it. Why is it allowed? Why do I have to sit through ad after ad of big boobs, almost revealed “hoo-haas”
and provocative, degrading language with those graphic phone line ads just cos I stay up late watching telly? Why do I have to see hideously fake images of silicone-lined women on the covers of magazines every time I go to pay for petrol?
A link that has been discussed here is how women feel degraded by porn and how women are portrayed and that I think is the big issue. It points to a larger problem in society, it is the reason these footy(and other sports including the horse racing industry) *gang bangs* take place and the water is so muddy that even the people who took part don’t know if it was right or wrong. Do women want to feel degraded? Of course not, but then you have these women who participate in the porn industry for example and are degraded on film and in life and men get the wrong message. There will always be people who are exploited, so I don’t know the answer I just know that something has to change because it does seem like a deep chasm is dividing us and it will be the future generations who suffer the consequences.
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Right on. The ‘I’m horny so I have to do it right now’ attitude is rife. Some men carry on like their crotch will explode if they don’t get busy right away.
Hey, I really want sandwich right now, I’m not going to force my partner into making it for me with the threat that my stomache may eat itself in protest and it will all be their fault. Men/boys just need to exercise some self-control. Unfortunately they won’t without our forcing the issue.
I hate being the grown up.
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That’s pretty patronising to men, don’t you think? A bit of a blanket statement, no?
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I find this article very interesting. As an adult store owner who stocks a wide variety of items for sale including pornographic dvd’s, when starting my business which is aimed at women I had to research quite extensively to ensure that I was providing women with what they wanted to see.
This lead me to an interesting research program funded by the australian government on the effects of pornography in our society. Titled “The Porn Report”
Its interesting that in 1877 a book was published on advice for women on there bodies, sexual pleasures and ways of preventing pregnancy it was explicit with an educational purpose. Everyone was persecuted that was involved in the publishing, men could deal with this information but women they claimed were simply not capable. This was looked upon as being obscene as women were weak minded.
Maybe this is a new dawn with sexual awakening and education being more public than ever before.
In the study a growing number of women are enjoying erotica, however through my research alot of this was instigated by a partner who is male and often this reflected the male dominated needs, e.g the cum shot, the fake looking porn star and the aggressive nature and camera shots with a long portion or going down on the male with little regard for womens vaginal pleasure or orgasms.
I think that some women really dont know what else is available to them, often couple and womens porn has a more romantic and erotic feel and may not always be so aggressive. The men in it are normally better looking with an emphasis on an natural looking women with a push on the women recieving orgasms and being gratified by being gone down on. These films are often made by women. I stock some great titles by Erika Lust, Candida Royalle, Betty Dodson, Tristan Taromino who are all award winning pioneers in making porn for women. Comstock films provide wonderful documentary erotica that are real peoples accounts of there sex lives and are very sensual and sexy.
Sex should be about the people involved and what they want to do and try, nothing should be taboo as long as both parties are comfortable..whatever your thing is your probobly not the only one but you may be one of a few. A more useful question is if its hurting anyone? If the answer is no then its okay the pressure to be normal is a real buzz kill for sexual happiness which has so much to do with letting go.
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Maybe we need a reality check video to hand over to our son´s if we find a seedy porn stash. One with pictures of real women, and a real version of what sex really is, with normal people doing normal things.. Switch the dvd in the case while they are out. Then again thats what late night SBS is for isn´t it?????
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Loving the cat picture.
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A friend of mine is a teacher in year 6 and is the lucky person teaching sex ed to her kids… Yesterday one of the kids asked why women make such loud noises when they have their legs in the air and the man’s head is between them. While she handled the answer with grace and caution, the key thing she had to focus on was why was this kid even watching something like that to know about it!?
I think porn’s pretty horrible and it’s sad that it’s become so normal and readily available everywhere (hello internet!). If the above comment came from an 11 year old, I’d hate to think what my teenage brother is getting up to!
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As a teacher myself, the comment by that child should have been reported by your friend to a higher authority – the principal or DoCS. It suggests something disturbing in the home if a child in year 6 (11-12 years old) is knowledgeable about pornography. Hopefully your friend followed correct Department of Education procedure and reported this incident.
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Every child that age knows about pornography.
They havent necessarily watched it, but you can be sure that some have.
Some children that age have even had sex.
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Thanks for your reply Kathy W. I think the regulations and procedures are slightly different over here in the UK, however my friend definitely did take the comment seriously and reported it to the principal, as well as having a conselling session with the child to ensure that he wasn’t being forced to do or watch anything like that. We’re lucky that we have teachers like you (and her) who have the children’s very best interests at heart
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One of my friends is a primary school teacher, and a couple of years ago, she received a pornographic card from one of the Year 6 kids, detailing what he wanted to do to her. She also had a kid at her school go off to high school an expecting parent. Sad but it happens.
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I used to think that porn was no big deal, but then I had a boyfriend who watched it so much it desensitized him to actual sexual contact. It was all about the fantasies, not the touch. And when he did make love it was so detached. Add to that he would almost never approach me for sex because he masturbated so much and it was evidence of just how damaging porn can be in a relationship. We tried to work through it, especially since outside of the bedroom he was a great guy. But his sexual problems just slowly deteriorated any intimacy between us. It really was a shame and it changed my views about porn and its potential for harm.
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Thanks for this Mia, this exact question has been on my mind recently. I am concerned that porn is causing my boyfriend to be less interested in me and sex with me because I don’t look like the girls in porn
I have to say I am comforted by others’ comments because I know I’m not alone. I hope my relationship doesn’t end because of porn but some days I feel like it’s a real possibility
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I’m not a fan of porn and I’m also not a fan of people who like porn (males or females).
I think porn is degrading to women. I think it ruins marriages and it is evil.
There is no good purpose to it at all IMO.
Mia, I think this was a brilliant article.
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Evil? Sure, it can ruin some relationships, but it can and does spice things up for people in relationships. I think ‘evil’ is stretching it.
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I found the article a really interesting read and agree with a lot of what Emily (and others here!) have said – there’s just so much porn available out there now (and music videos masquerading as porn) that I find it a bit overwhelming – and I’m a 26 year old female!
I have watched porn occasionally but was always on my own and I guess kind of curious more than anything – I only lost my virginity this year (yep that’s right, can anyone out there beat that?!) to a guy who is 16 years older than me and made it enjoyable for me. He still does! At one stage he worked as a driver at a brothel so saw a different view again of the porn industry, so I don’t think it has a lot of interest for him now. I don’t have a problem with watching it (me or him) but don’t particularly find it sexy watching people I don’t know banging away accompanied by lots of moans and groans!
I’m still working out my own views on sex given I haven’t had years of experience at it – I have to say I feel confused and pressured a bit that I’m supposed to be gagging and desperate for it all the time (when we probably do it 1-2 times a week and that’s enough for me) because if I’m not, I’m a prude, and if I am, I’m a slut. Don’t get me wrong, I *like* it all and he knows what he’s doing and never pushes me (he hasn’t even brought up anal sex and I’m not keen on it) but I much prefer lying in his arms, sleepily talking and kissing in the early hours to anything more physical. Am I insane?!
I know Emily Maguire’s also written the book Princesses and Pornstars which I think I’d get a lot out of – anyone read it?
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I remember accidentally stumbling along some pornographic pictures on the home computer! Obviously my now ex-husband had been viewing porn sites whilst I was in bed or maybe even whilst I was awake and I thought he was working!!!! I was appalled at how young some of the girls looked! I thought that was bad…..the worst was yet to come…..there were porn sites upon porn sites that he had viewed dedicated to Grandmothers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew he had mother issues but that was beyond the pale.
Then I found lady boy pictures!! Transsexual (I think…..the woman had (fake) breasts (obviously) and a very large penis!!) porn! When I confronted him he just blamed our relationship problems (yet I wasn’t looking at it!) and told me I was a prude because I was repulsed by what he had done. The worst part for me were the grandma sites. I apologise to all the grandmas out there reading this!!!!!
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if i ever find any such things on our computer i will be changing my locks and booting him. poor you i feel for you.
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Thankfully now he is my ex-husband! Phew……Somebody elses problem now!
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Random related story: a hospital in the UK is in trouble for hiring out a ward to for a big budget medical themed porn shoot!
Well that’s one way to make up a budget shortfall, considering how many public services have a big following on porn we could rent out schools, hospitals, fire stations, police stations….
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Wow! Hahaha
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I haven’t read the comments yet,so forgive me if this has been raised already, but another interesting, if no doubt controversial article which you could quote on this topic was on the ABC Drum website the other day talking about federally funded porn. Made some sense to me.
My husband has always watched an amount of porn on the internet, and recently we have started downloading some “female friendly” variants. I quite like it, but I certainly don’t confuse it with reality
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I think I’m going to take the side of a “normal male” here for a minute. I’m a girl. 24 years old. Unlike some young people these days, the internet didnt exist until I was 12. But it was around this age that I found in a magazine of websites (do these things still exist?) a site with kama sutra on it. That was the beginning for me. I looked it up, I then looked up naughty pictures. I had my first orgasm, by masturbation, at 12. Like many boys do. After pictures I started reading sex stories, then more photos, then eventually videos. Some people would have gone straight to videos.
I would say that on average I watch porn once a week. Always online. I watch the sort of porn men watch. Nothing where the girl dominates. Although I fast forward gagging, and I dont even click on a video with full body fishnet or leather, and definitely no masks. I also fast forward kissing.
I enjoy the parts of porn that arent what goes on in a bedroom, I guess. I enjoy watching the guy dominate. I enjoy watching group sex. I enjoy watching anal and DP. To me, they’re all things that dont necessarily go on in the bedroom, especially not with me.
So I sort of justify what I watch and get off on by saying “I like it because I know I’ll never do it”.
A lot of my male friends feel this way. They watch graphic porn because they know it’ll never happen to them, so they can sort of “get it out of their system”.
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That’s the view i take of porn, that for most people it can just be fantasy and a healthy way to express some desires you don’t want to act out or see in real life and most handle it well.
You don’t have to be in the yes or no camp on porn, i have a fence stuck up my arse (the fence had been watching porn….)
For me the problem isn’t porn it’s how people handle it. Use it right or lose it is my philosophy and i have personal experience with both sides of that.
I am reminded of the pokies thread, not everything is the fault of the machine, or porn, or the drugs, or the work stress or whatever it is that is a part of your bad behaviour, there has to be some personal responsibility and acknowledgement not everyone turns into an arsehole when they do what you do so why is that?
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Apart for all the guys who go and act the porn out on women or children. For them it was getting it into their system.
Many many studies on peadophiles have shown that they watched porn as a way to get the nerve up to try it on a real child.
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My first boyfriend and first lover, had an intense relationship with porn – not sure I would go as far to say “addicted” – but he was enamoured by it. He had a library of porn that could fill a small book case. I was 17 and not too concerned about it, I thought it was normal. However, in hindsight, I know now his fascination with bald vaginas and anal sex was a direct correlation with this constant stream of pornagraphic images and dialogue. “Oh but the girls on the video love anal sex – we should try it.” I’m glad I had the sense to say no…
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Reading this article and many of the comments I keep coming back to the same issue. What has happened to self-respect and respect of our partners. I’m not a huge fan of porn but I understand for some people it’s something they enjoy and I don’t have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is that some men feel it’s okay to degrade a woman and some women expect nothing better. When/How did porn become our moral barometer for how we should treat our partners?
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I should clarify that whatever a couple chooses to do in the bedroom is up to them, as the saying goes “whatever floats your boat”. But both partners have to agree, and be okay with whatever they do. It should never be the case of one ‘forcing’ (physically or emotionally) their needs on the other.
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Many women’s problem with porn is that is that women are commonly degraded in it. Most men and women are happy to leave their desires in fantasy only, but for some an interst in degrading porn or other kinds is actually a legitimate sexual interest and while you can shut down the porn and say don’t watch it you can’t stop the interest.
I think s&m needs to go back on the agenda from the perspective of submissive women. Whenever s&m comes up in the media it is pretty much always from the perspective of a female dominatrix dominating men yet millions of men around the world are watching degrading porn in huge numbers. It seems to be taboo or unpolitically correct to say some women like to be dominated or degraded and some men like to do it and it can be done right in real life. Why is it when this kind of porn is so popular there is no discussion of why men are interested in it? Some, not all, but some of these men are using it as substitute for s&m.
Perhaps your partner does not have a porn problem he has a repressed sexual interest problem. You can fix the porn thing and ban if it you don’t like it and maybe bring a version of the interest you are comfortable with into the bedroom but you won’t stop someone watching porn if their motivation is as an outlet for a sexual interest or act or type of woman they are not finding in their lives.
The only way we can tackle the degrading porn issue for for viewers to feel comfortable enough to say ‘you know what i watch this because i like it and it turns me on’ and for the response to be ‘let’s find a healthy way to express that desire’. Not saying women should now have to do s&m, just that some men might benefit from an open discussion of why they watch what they watch rather than just ‘it’s bad don’t do it’ which doesn’t seem to work. Same goes for people watching other specific kinds of porn, not everyone is watching solely to get off but because it is something missing from their own lives.
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Think of it this way…swap degrading women for foot fetish porn – wouldn’t you ask a few more questions beyond ‘please don’t watch porn’. Degrading women is a fetish or sexual subsector for some, and a mighty popular one. Perhaps your partner has a fetish not a porn problem.
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But the problem with porn is that it isn’t a fantasy. It’s real sex acts happening to real women who are most of the time ending up damaged in some way by the acts they are doing. Many of these women have been trapped by drugs and pimps and have no way of escaping this life. They are someones daughter, sister, mother or friend and we are ignoring them just to get our rocks off? It may turn some people on but it ruins other people’s lives and I just don’t think that it is worth it when people can get sexual pleasure without porn.
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I agree with so many of the comments here and I really enjoyed the Naomi Wolf article when I originally read it in the magazine.
I guess I’m in 2 minds about porn – I want to be liberal and forward-thinking and from the “free speech” perspective I think if people want to partake then who am I to tell them they can’t?
But…
I do feel that it has the potential to be very destructive in a relationship. I was particularly taken with how many stories below talked about the husband or boyfriend “hiding” the porn from them when they raised concerns. I think any time one person in a relationship begins to hide something like this then it becomes a problem. Because, the bottom line is that we’re talking about deception…you sense it’s going on, he denies it, you find it, confront him with it, he gets angry and defends himself…etc.
In any relationship there has to be compromises but there also have to be ground rules that all agree on. I don’t think banning porn is the answer. I think a clear and honest discussion about what both parties feel is acceptable is a much better way to proceed.
Ha ha…having said that I still haven’t had that particular conversation with my better half!!
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My husband and I have watched porn occasionally together, for something different to spice things up in the bedroom! Same old, get’s a bit boring after 30 yrs!
He works in an industry where he is away from home for a few weeks at time and for a lot of his co workers, watching porn is as common as sitting down and having a beer. They all swap dvds!
We have a couple at home that are hidden, we have a dvd player in the bedroom that no longer plays Dora or Toy Story for the kids,but is for more adult movies!
I watch porn when he is away for 3 weeks at a time,when the needs arises. Not dvd’s but online porn.There are some very “normal” porn sites that don’t feature unrealistic sex scenes. I watch it as well as making use of “BOB” when Dh is away.
Porn has made us more adventurous when it comes to our sex life, has given us ideas and made us try new things.
I think too, that coming from a generation where I was told that sex was purely for procreation and that to enjoy it was disgusting and immoral and that women simply aren’t *meant* to enjoy it, that porn has given me the licence to do so, along with giving my Dh different techniques to ensure that we both do as well!
*OMG* if my poor Mother could hear this, she would die of shock! Her daughter talking openly about sex and SEX that is not just of the ‘missionary, lie back quietly and count the cracks in the ceiling until it’s all over’ variety!!
As a Mother myself though, I DO worry about the effect of porn and the different, some what unrealistic expectations that kids have today.
My eldest son(24) watches porn/reads adult magazines as if it’s a very normal thing to do. He doesn’t even try and hide it, which I’m sure is a good thing in a way. Is he desensitised to that whole issue or are we out of touch?
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I’m a 20 year old female, and I used to watched Porn. I started to become fascinated by it when I lost my virginity to my boyfriend. I knew it was morally wrong and gross but I thought, If I was having sex surely it wouldnt make much difference if I watched someone else have sex. I didn’t really like it. It didn’t arouse me, make me feel good or anything. It did however make me uncomfortable. If you watch porn, look carefully at the women’s faces and see for yourself: they don’t like it. They’re doing just what they are paid to do. Most of the time, the women didn’t orgasim! That doesn’t sound like fun! I expected both partners to have sex, and have fun. Instead the women just took whatever the man did, without any sense of real pleasure.
I stopped watching also because it did warp my ideas with sex. I stopped wanting to have sex with my boyfriend, because the sex that the actors were having was so blunt, and brutal. I thought it would be intimate, I didnt realise how un – intimate sex could be. Instead I saw men grab the heads of the women as they were giving blowjobs, pushing the penis as much into their mouths as possible, gagging them and making them vomit sometimes. I saw men spit into womens vaginas to make them wet – because there was no foreplay, and the women were just doing what they were to get paid. I saw the men ejackulate into the womens faces, and the womens humiliated faces. I don’t think I will ever watch porn again, and I now hate it.
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I was engaged to a man who steadily became obsessed with porn to the point that he harboured literally gigabytes of it, catalogued and placed in “hidden” folders on his computer. Within seconds of finding it, I knew there was a connection to his obsession and our diminished sex life (I definitely know there was a connection to his fail-grades in law school), however when he was confronted about it – he claimed he “didn’t know” how it got there and tried blaming it on popups and viruses before eventually admitting defeat.
It had a massive impact on our relationship but I stupidly married him anyway, and in the end his obsession corroded our marriage beyond repair. It breaks my heart to think that the warm, gentle loving man that I met, could become so obsessed with watching unrealistic portrayals of women performing similarly unrealistic sexual acts, to the point that he was no longer interested in the 26 year old woman that he was marrying.
I am so incredibly passionate about this topic – so thank you for posting about it. I am NOT a prude, and I am NOT AGAINST porn. But I am wary of the impact that such readily available material is affecting our relationships.
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I used to be addicted to porn. Did it set me up for a healthy, mutually appreciative and intimate marriage? Certainly not. I had to undo all the negative hard-wiring and memories in my brain, and create a new and intimate way to relate and connect with my husband.
Regular pornography users engage in their mind with unreal images. There is no relationship with this virtual world – no conflict, no risk and no rejection. It is an illusion of a safe environment. Because of this, users find themselves drawn and captivated by the virtual world, and it becomes the preferred choice over the real world and the normal challenges of intimate relationships.
Science has proven through SPECT scan imaging the dangers of prolonged use of pornography. Just like addiction to drugs, brain scans of a high use porn consumer clearly shows the well beaten pathway, eroding massive areas – particularly in the temporal lobe area. The evidence speaks for itself. More info for those interested at getagripteenz.com
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Your are right that pornography can be addictive. It is sad to hear that some people become addicted to porn and would rather be sitting at a computer and masturbating to various images than having sex with their flesh and blood partner.
Porn is about the objectification of people. There are porn sites focussing on large breasts, big bums, etc, women are just objects for sexual pleasure. When it comes to porn, face it women are just things for men’s pleasure. Men who watch porn should just get an inflatable friend.
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This has been an issue that I have been passionate about for some time. The question is how do we force men to listen to us and respect us without being seen as a “femi-nazi”? I have raised this issue with men (boyfriends, brothers, friends) on a number of occasions and I have been either accused of attempting so send us back into the sexual repressive middle ages or of being a man hating lesbian.
Sadly I feel the issue has gone too far and it cannot be reversed…
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Mia thank you so much – to you, Emily Maguire, Niomi Wolfe for highlighting such a alarming and important topic. I am 36yr old woman of liberal views. I can’t help but notice an obvious dramatic swing to the extreme in the latest evolution of porn.
I’ve been silently outraged while noticing this disturbing trend. In particular just how extreme and hardcore mainstream porn had become, and the influence this has on what is considered the norm – or more importantly the numerous affects this has on girls/women both physically and mentally. I’ve wondered how this can be, and if anyone cares, and how could anyone not care.
A ‘free porn’ google search, brings up a landing page of a porn site which contains many thumbnails. The thumbnails are of course all explicit and ‘extreme’ and also include several on ‘girls who are wasted’. Here the girl is clearly young, drunk, and is not only being penetrated by one or maybe two men, but is also being strangled.
I find this terrifying. What is going on!?!
Then there’s the ‘Girls Gone Wild’ series. Where a guy has actually made millions out of creating an environment for young girls to get drunk and making it cool to do all sorts of extreme sexual things – like grab a random girl off the street and bring her back to ‘the bus’ and have sex with her – on camera.
It makes me feel nauseous. The only thing I could think to do was to try share stories of successful women and try to share some alternative role models through my blog copingwithjane.com
Thanks once again for the post.
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Most of the “grab a random girl off the street” stuff is scripted though. They’re already a porn star. Watch enough porn and you even get to know some of the “actors”.
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WHAT! Are you saying when the pizza boy delivers a pizza to the two hot chicks watching a sexy movie together in lingerie in their apartment and then want to act out a threesome with him that’s fake??
….I did always wonder what about how he could just throw in his job and the rest of the nights deliveries….
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Hahaha, sarcasm noted.
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I wasn’t being sarcastic i was joking with you and agreeing about the silly scenes in porn that pretend to be real, just adding another one alongside the ‘grabs hot girl off street’.
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This is an issue I often try to raise with friends/my boyfriend but no one seems to quite get what I mean. I’m 17, and every one of my male friends and boyfriend have been on a steady diet of porn since they could get alone in a room with a computer. They send it to one another, have it on their phones, chat about it … the list goes on. The thing is, they don’t know anything else other than these images and when I try to raise some of the points above , it just makes zero sense.
I’ve never had someone try to, for example, ejaculate on my face, (if they did, they’d probably end up with a broken penis) but I know girls who’ve had it done to them. The way they speak about the certain girl I’m thinking of is degrading and horrible. I can affirm everything Wolf has said. I know girls feel insecure about their breasts because they are not round and their vulva because it is not small. Boys have no idea women require care and attention in the bedroom and are rough and vile. They’re under the impression a woman has an orgasm every time she has sex, and it causes damage to relationships and self esteem.
It’s really unfortunate I can’t ever communicate this to my friends, both male and female, because they’ve had hard-core porn at the tips of their fingers since before they even hit puberty. Very sad. Great article.
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Im 17 too, and I have the same problem. For a lot of my girl friends, any kind of conversation on this topic makes them squeamish, where as my guy friends have these unrealistic expectations because of the porn they have seen. And I don’t think they will realise until they are much older that it is unrealistic, which effects how they treat girls now, which effects girls expectations and their ideas of what is right for them in the future. It’s this whole horrible cycle. Because guys (and girls) aren’t given proper education on it, and there’s still a “boys will be boys” attitude.
Another effect it has is that there are “pro-raunch” women who say we should celebrate our sexuality. This is great, but the thing is, for most of us, and especially as a teenager, we have no idea what this means. When porn is so pervasive, what is “sexy”?
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Such a sad indictment of current mores from one someone not long over the age of consent… what will these boys be needing to get off on by the time they are 35 or 40? Or will they be completely jaded by 25?
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In my young womanhood I was cool about porn. The sort I saw was realistic, the women looked like me and my friends, the sex was realisable and the women in the porn enjoyed it. Not so good stuff was around but harder to access. It was a “now and again” thing.
It’s easy now to see women being humiliated in a myriad ways and often being hurt or looking as if they are. When a woman has a toilet seat over her head, is gagging on a hard penis and has tears and mascara running down her face, and then vomits, is she just acting? If so, she deserves an Oscar. (Edited to say sorry if this is too much information. I’m sure if so it will be deleted.)
Many men who like porn will continue to do so thoughout their lives and you can bet the women they watch won’t be ageing along with them. They will be masturbating to women whom their current wives/partners no longer much resemble. I guess you have to get there before you can begin to know what that feels like.
And I won’t even begin to talk about general respect for women in society when so much of straight porn is about power over and degrading of women.
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This article has absolutely reverberated with me based on a relationship I was in recently which last almost 2 years. My ex was obsessed with anal sex, constant oral sex (me the giver) and the whole coming on my face thing and he basically couldn’t climax unless i submitted to what felt like often degrading acts. Let me just state I am by no means conservative and am willing to engage in most things from time to time but sex was all about his pleasure and rarely about mine and he made me feel bad by saying that all his exes were always up for these acts. When he dumped me (I had dumped him on the two previous occassions) he told me it was partly because he though we werent sexually compatible. Now I realise it wasn’t me, it was his expectations! I never even considered the possbility that his behaviour could be due to porn but this article has definitely made me think it must have. In defence to men in general in my experience these kinds of men do not make up the majority and even if they do, they are able to keep their desires in check rather than having these ridiculous expectations of their partners on a consistent basis.
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When I was in my early 20s I dated a guy who watched a lot of porn, and used it to masturbate frequently despite having frequent sex with me. He would masturbate at least once a day. He used to look up weird internet sites depicting pregnant women having sex among other sex topics. I usually enjoyed our sex life but his addiction to porn most definitely came through – he wanted anal sex, was obsessed with the size of his penis and sometimes had sex in a very detached manner that had very little to do with pleasing me, and more to do with his inflated sense of sexual prowess. Another friend dated a guy who was so affected by porn that he couldn’t enjoy regular sex and it took something extraordinary for him to reach climax. This overdose of porn affects not only the poor women who sleep with these men, but the men themselves, who are missing out on the wonderful world of mutually enjoyable sex.
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Ellie you have so hit the nail on the head. Men themselves are force fed this fantasy rubbish from such a young age that even they are not able to enjoy normal sex.
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Firstly, I have a lot of respect for Naomi Wolf and I generally agree with her on a lot of topics.
The digital/internet thing really kicked off while I was in high school, and in my experience it was more about amateur porn than anything, that is, letting your boyfriend or the guy you were hooking up with take confronting, graphic images of you, sometimes even videos, which he would then share with his mates, who you also knew. I let my boyfriend take one photo, on my phone, more out of my own curiosity than anything (you know, seeing what intercourse looked like from that angle) but it didn’t include my face and he never had the chance to distribute it. So my experience seemed to indicate that what used to be private was no longer private. One time I caught my boyfriend at the time chatting to his friend on the internet that we had just had oral sex, and his friend gave him a virtual high five. At the time I didn’t know how to react – was it any different from me chatting to my girlfriends about my sex life details?
Another anecdote, on the anal sex topic, of the group of guys we were close with in high schools, one of the guys was a particularly misogynistic, really sexist etc, but also one who could turn on the charm with drunk girls when he tried… long story short, he had sex (and anal sex) with a girl in the group who didn’t particularly like him (it was more of a conquest for him) and sent an sms around to all the boys the night it happened. When I expressed my disgust to the same group of boys later, one of them (17 at the time) explained to me how it was: there are girls, who are you friends, who you make your girlfriends and treat with respect etc, and then there are those girls who are there just to have anal sex with on one night stands and generally treat with disrespect. It reminded me the whole virgin/whore complex…
Funny end to the story though – she got her revenge when she later invited him around for a hook up, got him drunk and convinced him to dress up in her sexy underwear (corsets, hosiery and all), put a bit of make up on him and took photos… which she also sent to the same group of guys.
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Hahahaha that is an awesome revenge! Hilarious! Good on her for doing that. What a jerk.
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