Do You Like This Story?
Carly Findlay 380x506 I was born this way.

Carly asks: is it ever okay to gossip about someone's appearance behind their back?

I was recently at an event with my parents, not knowing many other guests there, surrounded by pretty young things wearing gorgeous dresses. I glammed up for the occasion too – my pink Cinderella skirt from St Frock, and my silver jacket and floral top that I wore to the AusBlogCon (though I always seem to feel really overdressed due to the amount of layers I need to wear!).

While I was talking in hushed tones with my Mum about how beautifully dressed some of the girls were, it turned out some of those beautifully dressed girls were talking in hushed tones about me too.

Later on in the night, after a few wines, I went to the toilet and got talking to a girl I met on the way. We talked through the toilet walls, small talk – that we liked the food, that the event was a great one, that our shoes were killing us.

Then, out under the fluorescent lights as we washed our hands, the girl turned to me, looked closely, and said,”So what happened?”. What happened to my face, she meant. “I was born this way,” I told her. “And what happened?” she asked again. Drunk people can be hard to reason with. “I was born like this, that’s what happened,” I told her. Again.

She asked me if it was a skin condition, I said yes, and I told her the name. Drunk people are also quite honest. “I thought it was a skin condition,” she said. And then she added, “The people I am with were arguing about whether it was a burn or sunburn all day”.

Right. So while I was probably complimenting some of those girls, they were discussing my appearance.

I know this happens. People ask me all the time. People stare. People ask friends or family or colleagues what is “wrong” with me. It’s curiosity. But I didn’t even think people would be spending more than a few seconds thinking or commenting about my appearance or discussing appearance in general in a negative way. Certainly not when there’s so much beauty and fabulous personalities and wonderful acts of kindness to compliment. And I thought about the shallowness of being so image focused.

I went back into the room happily laughing with the girl I met in the toilet. We went on to discuss the cute boys in the room, arms linked like old friends. She wasn’t meaning harm. But our toilet discussion left me feeling a little self conscious, and got me thinking.

Is it ever appropriate to negatively comment on someone’s appearance (how they look or dress, or their race or disability)?

When I think about my own behaviour, I can guiltily admit that there have been times when I’ve said quietly to a friend, “What is she wearing??” or even made a comment about someone’s weight. I know. I shouldn’t. But it is rare. And the comments never turn into a conversation. It’s an instant reaction, and I wouldn’t then give their appearance a second thought. And I’d certainly never make judgment about someone’s face, disability or race. Never.

Glossy mags thrive on the way celebrities look. They criticise, point out ‘flaws’ and persuade readers to aspire to an ideal. Too thin, too fat, too much cellulite, acne scars, best diets, beauty treatments are the secret to happiness. Hell, even my appearance was (positively) highlighted in a women’s mag. Image sells.

I was thinking about the way we encourage positive body image in the media. The National Body Image Advisory Group (chaired by Mia) was an Australian Government initiative, “committed to tackling negative body image from a national perspective, by helping young Australians to build confidence and resilience against the body image pressures that they face.” The group recently launched new initiatives to promote healthy body image in Australia. These initiatives include the establishment of a voluntary code of conduct for the fashion, media and advertising industries.

The discussion of my appearance at this event made me wonder how far the media has come with portraying a diverse range of people realistically. And wondered whether the media is still giving the public permission to discuss and criticise peoples’ flaws. Like the colour of my skin.

It’s never ok to negatively comment on the way someone looks. Even telling someone they look tired may be taken as criticism. If you are going to comment on someone’s appearance, tell them they look beautiful. Compliments are far nicer to give people. And I think it’s about time the media started paying more compliments to celebrities’ appearances, instead of criticising them. Perhaps this act by the media will mean every day people will be less critical of those who look different.

Have you ever overheard people discussing your appearance?  Do you routinely gossip about the way others look?

Carly Findlay is a 20 something Melbourne woman working full time as an events planner/writer and a freelance writer on the side. She studies part time and volunteers at the Royal Children’s Hospital for a program called ChIPS. You can follow her on twitter here or read her blog here.

Comments

Comment Guidelines : Imagine you’re at a dinner party. Different opinions are welcome but keep it respectful or the host will show you the door. We have zero tolerance for any abuse of our writers, our editorial team or other commenters. So if you’re rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy, your comment will be deleted (so will any replies to the original comment – so don’t bother arguing with rude people, instead just hit the ‘alert moderator’ button).
And if you’re offensive, you’ll be blacklisted and all your comments will go directly to spam. Remember what Fonzie was like? Cool. That’s how we’re going to be – cool. Have fun and thanks for adding to the conversation…

Use your profile to comment: Or, comment as a guest:
(Max file size is 150kb & jpeg's only - if you need help resizing go here »)

126 Comments so far

  1. Kate

    I was born with a congenital cataract and as a result I have a ‘lazy eye’. I’ve had people stare at me, call me names, even flinch. It still bothers me but now if someone asks what happened I say it’s a blessing. I call it my ‘d*ckhead detector’, why? Because if you are rude enough to ask me or draw attention to it, I automatically know you’re a tactless d*ckhead and not worth my time.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  2. Anon

    The thing which struck me when looking at you, Carly, is that you have one of the kindest smiles I have ever seen :)
    I try not to gossip too much about people and how they look because growing up, my father criticised every part of my physical appearance. I now, still hear his awful words and suffer from a very negative self-esteem.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  3. Rebecca

    I don’t think I’ve ever talked about someone’s skin, as there’s so much variation every day that nothing is surprising, but I’m definitely guilty of talking about peoples’ appearance. Just this weekend about 5 of us were commenting on the weight loss of a friend who’d just left the party, we were speculating about her wellbeing but obviously her appearance at the same time.
    Like another commenter below, I have the stupid habit of mistrusting people, especially women, who are really well-groomed and expensively dressed. It makes no sense to judge them on their appearance, it’s just an instinct. I also am intimidated by men with those weird bogan beards, or rough-looking women in tracksuit pants, when they might be perfectly normal underneath the surface.
    A friend of mine was born looking different and has spent her whole life thinking that people are staring at her. Whether they are, I don’t know, I’ve known her so long that I forget she’s different.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  4. Megan

    I went to a party a few nights ago and the first thing one girl did as she entered was run over to me and gossip and complain about what other girls were wearing and I realized the gossip would have been a-grade entertainment for the 13 year old me and as I’m still an immature 18 year old I think I have grown up and stopped judging and gossiping people upon appearance.
    As for people discussing my appearance, I often hear people complaining about my veins being visible through my pale skin around my eyes and jawline. People also have a mope to each other that my nose looks like it’s been broken and feel confident enough to let me know to stop wearing short skirts and shorts because of my disgustingly pale legs.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  5. mayberry

    and in answer to the second question, yes (though i’d like to become a nicer/better person than that. i’m still a work-in progress!) but generally in the opposite direction to what you’d expect – i really really mistrust and am wary of well-groomed, perfectly made-up and expensively dressed women.

    my immediate assumption is that they’re stuck-up beatches, and i won’t even bother talking to them because they’re so obviously obsessed with looks and presentation (and i’m not really – feral scientist who goes to work in jeans and tshirt) that they couldn’t possibly have anything interesting or fun to say/talk about, and that they’ll be mean to me and judge me (like all the perfect girls at school did) so i’ll just avoid them.

    and i’m probably missing out on meeting genuine and lovely people! so yeah, it’s something i’m working on – software man thinks it’s hilarious – he finds it endlessly entertaining to tell me i’m pretty in order to stir me up because “i’m NOT pretty, how dare you call me that” cos of my biases

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  6. mayberry

    yes to the first question – i have (really bad) genetic acne – it started when i was 8 (!) and is still going now at 25 (!) both my rents had it when they were younger, and i’ve gotten the double dose of “bad” genes from them! thanks mum and dad! :P hee

    i had more rude comments directed at me when i was younger (teenagerish) mostly by teachers or parents at the school i went to. and mostly along the lines of “you must eat too much chocolate” “you should wash your face more often”. ummmm, no, neither of those things affects my skin – it’s genetic, and there’s not a lot i can do about it except try to damage control! but it’s kinda hard as a 15 year old to explain this to the 40 year old mothers of the other girls in your class (all of whom had perfect, clear skin. rargh).

    little kids are kinda funny about it – when i was swim teaching, i’d get kids ask me if i had chicken pox or the measles or express concern about the “owie” on my face :) which kinda cracked me up laughing and crying at the same time.

    it’s gotten to the stage where i don’t even like people giving me compliments about how my skin looks when i have good days – that means that they are noticing it, and i am forced to aknowledge that yes it does look awful most of the time, that’s why you notice when it’s good :(

    it took about two years of being in a relationship with software man before i would let him touch my face – the skin there is surprisingly sensitive cos i’ve never let anyone touch my face, so it’s kinda nice now when he strokes me :)

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  7. oliveblanche

    I generally don’t notice or try not to notice other peoples appearance. It may just be because I’m oblivious and maybe self a sorbed? I don’t really know. But it can get quite weird. I don’t notice race. So so many times I’ve had friends and they have mentioned that they are of a particular race ie Indian or Chinese (and they do look it) and I have that little light bulb moment where I’m like “WTF how did I not notice that?!” not that it matters but it’s just a weird quirk I have or the result of always being around different races and
    cultures? I also don’t notice peoples weight which CAN be quite rude when someone has been working so hard to lose weight and they ask my opinion and i have no idea! I can’t play “fashion police” because if I friend says something to me about what someone is wearing I haven’t got a clue I only notice if it’s really obvious or something I love! I do however pick up on a persons personality traits and feelings very very quickly. I’m all about body language and facial expressions and tones. And usually if I get a bad vibe from someone I’m usually spot on. Which I hate! You never want to meet people and feel like they might be a mean person and then be proved right. It’s oh so akward when meeting a friends new boyfriend! I think I’m a bit weird.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  8. carlyfindlay

    So I went to see Gotye live in concert this afternoon, and as I was buying a cider, a girl came up to me (I think her name was Lucy) and said she saw me on Mama Mia :) How cool!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  9. Annie

    I can sort of relate to this post – I have a skin condition called icthyosis vulgaris, which means that I have really dry skin and it’s worst on my legs, where it’s actually scaly. I’ve had it since I was born but it didn’t bother me until I was maybe 8, when a girl didn’t want to hold hands with me in a circle because my hands were dry.

    Now, at 16, I’m still self conscious about my legs, which is partly why I have a lot of coloured and patterned stockings :)

    I’ve never heard people gossip about me or anything, but at my school we have to wear short socks in summer and people often stare at my legs. I can understand if they look once or twice, but if they keep staring while we talk, it’s kind of off putting.

    Anyway, I just wanted to say that I can understand how Carly must have felt.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • carlyfindlay

      Hey Annie – I know that our forms of ichthyosis are similar.
      I also wear a lot of funky stockings – they are awesome!!
      :) thanks for commenting

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  10. who's that girl

    This is a really interesting post, I do think that pople can be so harsh… I’ll never forget when I was at a club with a close friend about 2 years ago and after a couple of drinks we went to the bathroom and were looking in the mirror when my dark blue dress that I was wearing came up in the convosation I mentioned that I had bought it that day and wasnt too sure how it looked lol I proceeded to ask her if she liked my dress and she shook her head from side to side and said no! I was so shocked it was very surreal especially since we had, had a couple of drinks that night lol, I didnt say anything back to here and promptly changed the subject lol but i remember thinking back the next day to that situation and thinking ‘did that really happen’ lol

    Its very true that when people get some drinks into them they are definatly alot more open and honest about things lol I dont think they mean to be but they dont think before they speak lol I really dont agree with gossiping about someone, I have heard it being done but taken no part in it because I always try to think positively and always find something positive to say but I do have to admit to making a remark here oand there about something someone was wearing or doing.. Oh yeah and I never did wear that dark blue dress again lol

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Anonymous

      I don’t know…asking for someone’s opinion is kind of asking for a honest response, isn’t it? I get that you wanted to be reassured about your dress, but it’s probably best to be prepared for a negative answer when asking someone a direct question. Not really the same as being gossiped about behind your back for a physical trait you had at birth.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  11. Zara

    People are so rude. It’s like everyone needs to gang up against someone else to feel ‘normal’ or to feel good about themselves. I have strabismus in my left eye and no, there’s nothing that can fix it (after many surgeries etc), and I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve overheard people talking about me. I’ve been asked by strangers why I don’t do something about it, like it would never have occurred to me in all my 28 years to investigate surgical options. A prospective employer asked me why I didn’t disclose my disability by ticking ‘disabled’ box on my application form, when actually my vision is fine and it’s just a cosmetic problem. Back in high school a boy told everyone I was mentally disabled. And my strabismus is quite mild on the scale of things so I can only imagine how awful it is for other people to be ridiculed.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  12. Tabitha

    Lovely post, Carly. Good on you for choosing to focus on the positives of the situation with the girl. Frankly, I don’t think its anyone’s business if you were born that way or if something happened later in life.

    I think people feel justified in judging the appearance of others because they constantly feel that they are judged on their appearance. We are all encouraged to judge people and ourselves based on appearance.
    It’s sad but true that there are billion dollar industries associated with making people feel like crap because of their appearance. Embracing your inner beauty costs them money.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  13. NiceBoulder

    About 10 years ago I had gallstones and had to go on a totally fat-free diet before the sugery. Consequently, I lost 15 kilos in 4 months. I used to get so many comments – “You look fabulous”, “You’re so slim – have you lost weight?”

    I think it’s just as inappropriate to mention someone’s lower weight as it is to mention their higher weight.

    So I used to say, “Yes, I have lost weight. I have cancer”.

    Just to see the look on their faces. I know it was mean and probably not that funny to people who really have/have had cancer.

    My point was just that it’s inappropriate to comment on someone’s appearance in any way if you don’t know the details.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • That Girl (Fiona)

      Hey, that reminds me of a story that the comedian David O’Doherty told when I saw his show at the Comedy Festival this year. He was explaining that last year when he was doing his gigs at the comedy festival, he had got very bad food poisoning and was “Exploding from both ends”. Consequently he lost a LOT of weight and was feeling super horrendous. He said that whenever he was walking around after his shows (hyped up on temporary medication just to do the show each night) people would come up to him and compliment him insanely. “You look so good!” “Wow, your body looks in great shape!” and he just thought it was such a ridiculous way for society to think.. Just because you lose weight doesn’t mean it’s healthy. Found it a very interesting story.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  14. Anonymous

    I went through primary and high school with a girl who had a beetroot coloured birthmark covering half her face, at primary school no one really commented about it but in high school it would become the centre of cruel taunts to the girls face and behind her back even though we had all been together since prep and she was a lovely quiet person there just seemed to be a certain age were real bitchness begins.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  15. Lisa

    I use a wheelchair and am use to STUPID comments! People have said “oh, you don’t look disabled”…. um, so what does a disabled person look like?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • fionadonaldson

      I use a wheelchair too Lisa and I’ve also had that said to me… plus a million others! It’s like if your a little bit different it seems to make some people feel as though they just HAVE to say something to you… bizarre really :)

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  16. Lauren

    Like everyone asking Mia if she’s pregnant recently… How rude!!!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Mia

      Doing some sit-ups today! Lol

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • janellec68

        You’re allowed to have a food-baby, Mia. I’ve got one. Sadly, it’s getting old now :)

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  17. bee

    “Is it ever appropriate to negatively comment on someone’s appearance ?” – No its not but unfortunately everyone (myself included) do it.
    Im not sure this will ever change but the difference is between the rude people who talk loudly and stare and the others who just quietly ponder things in their head.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  18. Lucy

    I am guilty of commenting on people’s outfits sometimes (although never directly to them, unless it’s a compliment!) but I generally don’t comment on things that are/might be beyond their control (e.g. disabilities, weight, disfigurements etc.). Nobody’s perfect, least of all me, so who am I to judge someone else on something that’s not their fault?

    I’m not saying I don’t NOTICE these things – I think we are programmed to pick out things that are different or not “the norm” in our society – but surely it’s not that difficult to understand and accept that people come in all shapes/sizes/appearances? Why do some people have no much difficulty with this? And why do they CARE so much about other people’s bodies anyway?

    Also, who the hell are these people who outwardly comment/ask questions TO THE PERSON about their appearance? Seriously, who are they?! Thinking something is one thing, but I think it’s the height of rudeness to vocalise it, and the fact that people do this astonishes me. Some people’s lack of empathy is frightening.

    On another note, it’s interesting to consider this issue in a cultural context, e.g. in some countries, babies who are born with disfigurements are thought to be extra special, and heralded as gods on earth. Here’s an article on the topic of Western prejudice against deformity, for anyone interested: http://kcl.academia.edu/RichardSullivan/Papers/259052/Deformity_-_a_modern_Western_prejudice_with_ancient_origins

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  19. melissamitchell

    I can understand a one off question, Carly. I imagine (though I’m not in your position, so who knows?) I’d rather be asked outright than have it talked about behind my back.

    When I first ‘saw’ you online (pics of the Bloggers Conference in March, where everyone raved about how amazing you were) I wondered if you’d suffered burns. Later, I found your blog and of course, clicked on the link to see what the story was. Other than worrying about you when you’re sore and stuck in hospital, that’s the extent of it.

    But that’s as far as it ought to go. One question, easily answered. “No, it’s not a burn. It’s a skin condition I was born with”.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  20. Kylie L

    Fabulous post- as anticipated! My 9yo daughter has just woken up and is reading this over my shoulder. Cue excellent time for a mother-daughter discussion about valuing people based on their heart, not hwo they look. Thank you! xxx

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  21. Tripitaka

    I try not to judge people based on what they look like, and I have become accustomed to the fact that first impressions are almost always wrong. But if someone makes a comment to me that I deem to be shallow or mean, I instantly judge them. I don’t want to be friends with someone who is small minded, I don’t want to have a conversation with someone who remarks about things that I deem to be unimportant. I want to be around people who are full of love and compassion and kindness and interesting experiences.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  22. Em

    Wow… you are one strong lady.

    I dont think my appearance has been spoken about, maybe once or twice because of weight gain. But my 1 year old has. Shes got really bad eczema -shes had it since she was about 5 months and her skin can go bright red. Ive had people ask if shes been burnt or if shes got measles. Ive seen mothers subtly move their children away from her at the playground in case shes diseased. She often wears sewn-up sleeves that cover her hands and people ask if shes got broken arms. I know people mostly mean well and are concerned for her but it can be hard to see people looking and talking about her, wondering whats wrong, especially when they dont even smile at her or look friendly. I hope that her skin is better before she starts kindy/school as I know how horrible children can be.

    Without sounding like a biased mother she truly is extremely cute and has the most beautiful smile. I appreciate it when people look past her sometimes very red, itchy skin and give her a smile or comment on how lovely she is.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Katie

      Hi Em,
      My 9 month old also has severe eczema flare-ups and yes I have had similar comments/reactions. My 5 1/2 year old was similar as a little one and has been clear for about a year now… I believe the majority of kids grow out of it by about school age. I know it is only a ‘skin deep’ issue but most people don’t realise how debilitating it can be, particularly for babies and toddlers. My baby screams every night after his bath as I apply a dozen different lotions and then have to restrain his hands to stop him scratching (which happens as soon as I let them go), then off course there is the dribbling which negates it all. Anyway, I bet your daughter is just beautiful! Clear skin is over-rated anyway.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  23. missamoo

    Hmm i am going backwards and forwards on this one. On one hand i have been known to say “i cannot back that person on their fashion choice today i make have to call the fashion police”. I am on ever playing when i say this and i would never EVER give some one the disdainful ‘shoes to haircut’ that most women give each other mostly with pursed lips. On the other this talk of scars and such reminds me i have a good friend how had a horrible horrible thing happen to her and she now bears a few scars i cannot imagine her having to explain how her ex husband stabbed her left her for dead then hung himself. Ooooooh i feel strangely conflicted. I personally like to dress in a relatively flamboyant way knowing full well that some will like and some will judge. Plus i’m busty so there is that as well so my defence mechanism is to playfully make a game of mine and others fashion sense. Wonder what level of nasty that makes me???

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  24. Sally

    I don’t get any bad looks but my mum is a quadriplegic. She doesn’t give a flying phuck what people think and she milks it to hernown advantage when she is out and about eg. She goes to the fish shop and they prepare all her fish with an added discount, she goes to the butcher and she gets all her meat diced with fat taken off and then they weigh it for her, she gets free coffee etc…..bless her

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  25. MissT

    Great post, Carly!

    I suffer from no condition but I know what it feels like to have inappropriate questions or comments. I was once very underweight and copped “Are you anorexic?” and likewise. Finally got into the healthy weight range & copped “You’re really getting very fat, babe”. Sigh.

    What makes you beautiful is who you are when you open your mouth.

    This post was a timely reminder for me considering a faux pas I made recently. Thank you xx

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • cmx

      I agree. I am slightly overweight. I was having a conversation with a male friend of mine about his wife who was training for a triathalon (her first). I made a comment of the “good on her, that’s a great challenge for her” variety, and he replied that I should do one, that I would lose heaps of weight, and maybe even meet a man.
      None of this was said maliciously, but inside my heart sank, thinking “OMG, I’m so fat I’ll never meet a man and I’ll die alone”

      I’ve also had another friend (who is bigger than me, and apparently delusional) say to me, and laughed, after we walked through a narrow and crowded corridor, “Gosh, that was a tight fit. Don’t know how YOU made it!” Not funny.

      People often don’t think about how what they say flippantly can make others feel.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  26. Cabbagefairy

    I’m guilty of having a second look or two at people that look different. Not because I am thinking negatively about them but because I’m curious. I find anything different from the norm fascinating so maybe try not to think because people stare they are thinking nasty things :)

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  27. Charlie

    ” If you are going to comment on someone’s appearance, tell them they look beautiful. Compliments are far nicer to give people.”

    Agreed. I was on a weekend away with family about 8 weeks after my baby was born. My mum and I were shopping, and a lovely woman stopped us. She was very well presented, polished and on trend, but what struck me most was how generous she was. She first commented on my son (how gorgeous he was, etc), then spent the next few minutes telling me how fabulous I looked for a new Mum.

    I’d had a c-section, still had quite a bit of baby weight and was not getting a lot of sleep so felt quite selfconsious, but she made my day. I often think of her (it was more than a year ago), and try to limit negative thoughts and comments and instead hope to make someone elses day by being complimentary and positive.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • MotherR

      This is so true. I have never forgotten horrible things that have been said to me but I have also never forgotten compliments and who said them. It sounds like an exaggeration but I am very grateful to those people. Because of this I always try to compliment people if I think something good about them or their appearance. I don’t do it in a false way but instead of keeping a complimentary thought to myself because, let’s face it, giving and receiving compliments can become uncomfortable, I say it to the person.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  28. clarinette

    I don’t think you can stop people from noticing the differences they see. People are animals, we live in groups, and our instincts are here for survival. People see different and go directly to “possible threat”, only after that reason comes into play and the person assesses the threat or lack thereof.
    So, yes they notice of course, whispering is rude, though, but when they have no idea if what they are seeing is a danger to their safety or not, herd animals will turn to their peers for confirmation or infirmation. Let the group decide. I think asking you directly about it was a pretty brave move, but yes she might not have been so brave sober :p People never ask me. They just whisper that i’m weird, because that’s the only word they can find to express that i send alarm bells through their “social radar”. And they don’t make friends with me of course, because someone who doesn’t look people straight in the eyes 100% of the time might as well be a serial killer :D Ah well. What are you gonna do ……

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  29. carlyfindlay

    I have often been asked whether I mind well meaning people come up in the street, or ask their friends about the way I look. I’ve just written a few paras on Facebook about this:

    While I don’t think there is any need to ask someone why they look the way they do, I will answer peoples’ questions to stop the assumptions and educate them. it is tiring.

    It is not good etiquette to not to acknowledge someone’s race or size or sexuality when talking to them.
    So why should disability be different?
    I went out to a band with a friend. She was in a wheelchair. I met another friend there. As soon as she left, my other friend said ‘is she always like that, in a wheelchair?’
    Why would you ask?

    While a person without a disability may think it is fair to ask about someone’s disability because it is educating them or making it ‘easier’ – most people with disabilities just want to get on with their day. I just want to get groceries without being stared at or commented on.

    It is a tough balance between providing education and not pandering to nosiness.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • clarinette

      Lol to be honest that’s something i’ve never understood. Why do wheelchairs make people uncomfortable?? they’re chairs with wheels for people who cannot walk. Lol. people are strange i swear.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  30. elli

    Agree with previous commenters – it would be ideal if she hadn’t even noticed, Carly, but is it preferable that she asked you straight up than if you saw her whispering with her friends? Perhaps this is one person who will look past someone’s difference next time?

    I work for a GP so it’s somewhat different for me. If a colleague or patient says I look tired or pale, it’s usually an expression of concern about my health rather than bitchiness about my appearance. Today, for example, I was back at work after 2 days off sick and was told I looked pale because… I looked pale. And we know the patients’ medical history, so their appearance isn’t a subject of conversation except as a reflection of their health. Eg “Mr Bloggs is looking frail lately” “Yes, Dr said he’s been getting worse, he might be coming more often.”

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  31. Kairam

    I enjoyed your article. My adult daughter has an intellectual disability and occasionally has stares in her direction for her lack of poise and general girliness. She has difficulty tying her laces ( hence most of shoes have unfashionable Velcro ). She is slow giving change at the counter. She has a tendency to act like a little old lady, taking a long time to find her money, then, hearing the huffs & puffs of people, invariably women, will offer her debit card, because, heaven forbid, she hold anyone up. I know, we are all so busy, aren’t we?
    What is interesting is our son, who is 6 years older, has the same genetic condition. He has the same IQ. He doesn’t receive the same negativity my daughter does. Women are not nice to other women. Particularly when it comes to looks. Ironically, my daughter spends a fortune every week on bloody mags with great “catchems” as ” so and so’s bikini body” etc. It makes me want to cry.
    I have been going to comment on this for about 4 years. I read MM everyday. Thanks for providing the perfect opportunity to do so.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • clarinette

      Well, if she’s interrested, couldn’t you try actively teaching her about body language? I have no idea what your daughter has of course so i don’t know if this is at all possible for her, but even if she will always be slow at the counter, she might become a little more invisible to others by learning some “girliness”. Just basics as “stand with the shoulders pulled to the back and your head up and hips tilted a bit back, do not allow the knee to bend backwards but hold it still , right between “bent” and “straight”, etc”. Buy her ballerina flat pumps, no laces there (that’s what i wear). I’m only saying this because she seems to be self conscious,, so it might work (someone who wants to learn something will learn it, it was long and frustrating for me and still is but, i’m looking a bit more “acceptable” to people than i did at 14 now. )
      ETA: I pay with card, too. You’ve just made me realize just why i do it.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Kairam

        Thanks Clarinette. I know you are coming from a good place, so I won’t respond individually to various points you have made.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • clarinette

          I was asking if this was possible…..i gather you mean it’s not? Not good with clues lol…..

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Tripitaka

      I thought this was really interesting, Kairam. It’s such a shame that in both instances people can’t just let it go and smile through it. I wonder if it’s to do with the situations – grocery shopping being seen as a woman’s job, so if a man does it people might expect him to be less adept at it, but assume that he’s helping out his wife, so isn’t he a lovely guy… Similar to how men might receive more compliments if they look after the kids (what a great dad!) whereas mums who do this all the time don’t get the same comments, as this is just what is expected of them and nothing more. I guess in some ways this attitude can actually be seen as quite patronising to the men…
      Anyway, stories like this are good because they remind people to try and see through the outer layers, so good on you for commenting.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  32. Anonymous

    ” If you are going to comment on someone’s appearance, tell them they look beautiful. Compliments are far nicer to give people.”

    Couldn’t agree more. A lovely lady stopped me at a shopping centre recently and told me how radiant and beautiful I looked. At 35 weeks pregnant, she absolutely made my day. She didn’t have to stop, she didn’t have to tell me, but that gesture said so much about who she was as well – someone who looks for the positives in life and is open to sharing it with others.

    Her actions made me think that I should do more of the same to others and be more positive and less negative in life. Your column reinforced this. Thanks

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  33. daughtersisterwifemother

    I had surgery at 15 for scoliosis (curvature of the spine), and have frequently been asked “oooh, what did you do to your back?” when people notice the scar – which smacks you in the face by the way. I politely tell them .. “oh that, my brother went at me with an axe, thank god I wasn’t facing him”!
    One woman, a nurse of all people, came up behind me once and ran her finger down my scar saying … “did you know you have a scar all the way down your back?” To which I replied, “yeah I do, its an extension of my crack!”
    You have to laugh … my daughter now has the same condition and she too is learning to “have fun” and enjoy the humor … we’re not ashamed of our appearance, however some people do have an “isssewww” or two with it!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • MissT

      “Did you know how have a scar all the way down your back?”

      I’d be so tempted to recoil from their touch and scream “NO! WHAT SCAR?!”

      Ask a stupid question…

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Chrissy

        I have a decent scar on my lower back from spinal surgery in my mid teens.
        I went thru a stage where every time I went to the beach someone would feel the need to comment on it.
        I got so fed up I just used to tell people that is where the doctors removed my tail :)

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • Melissa J

      omg WHO would say ‘did you know you have a scar down your back??’ As if you would somehow be completely unaware it was there or how you got it?? It’s a SCAR! What an idiot!
      Lol I cannot believe that!
      Anyway, you’re awesome. My mother had a lot of physical issues with the illness she had and she was exactly the same making jokes and enjoying watching people squirm. She enjoyed it a lot actually, she had a tiny evil streak in her :-)

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  34. Anonymous

    Great article Carly.

    I do not comment on other people appearances because I *know* people comment on mine and I don’t like it.

    I hate what a judgmental society we’ve become. When did we decide that it was fine for us to pass judgment on someone else regardless what that judgment is? It’s not and shouldn’t be tolerated, regardless of whether it’s human nature to gossip.

    One thing I did want say in regards to a part of your post -

    “I can guiltily admit that there have been times when I’ve said quietly to a friend, “What is she wearing??” or even made a comment about someone’s weight. I know. I shouldn’t. But it is rare. And the comments never turn into a conversation. It’s an instant reaction, and I wouldn’t then give their appearance a second thought. And I’d certainly never make judgment about someone’s face, disability or race. Never.”

    Why do we find it’s fine to occasionally make a comment about a persons weight but think commenting on someones face, disability or race is off limits? For some people their weight issue is classed AS a disability and even it it’s not, weight is such a sensitive issue for some.

    Like you don’t like people commenting on your skin condition or guessing why you look the way you do (which is beautiful by the way), I don’t appreciate people making comments – even if they are instant reaction comments about my weight. I know I’m fat, I don’t need random people I don’t know commenting on it.

    I think if we all learned to be a little less judgmental or “gossipy” maybe there would be less people with self esteem issues?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Jt

      May 28, 2012 – 7:59 pm Reply
      I know I’m late commenting on this but whilst the message in this story was not lost I have to admitt Carly when I read that u comment on people’s weight I put you in the same category as those girls whispering about u. I am obese and to be honest I find if I point out the elephant in the room to others around me (no pun intended) they usually relax (not something everyone would be comfortable with but works for me), is it right that different is such a big show stopper, no but until society changes we all have to find our own ways of dealing with it.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  35. Brooke

    Wonderful article as always Carly…..

    I have experienced a similar situation at the supermarket, just waiting my turn as you do and the woman behind me made the following comment directed at me loud enough for everyone to hear “You must have done something pretty bad to your back to be way that you are” well what can you say to that! I haven’t done anything to my back at all I actually have a rare bone condition and I was born this way baby!

    Rather upsetting though but I think she was more curious than anything, I just didn’t have a comeback for her

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  36. Cordeline

    Hi Carly, I loved reading your post, thank you for it :-)

    I once worked in an organisation that had three women who kind of ‘took me in’ so-to-speak when I started there. For the first few days it was nice to have people to go and grab a cuppa with or join for a lunchtime walk, but I quickly learned that they were interested only in having a (nasty) laugh at other people’s expense.

    In the morning, as everyone else would arrive for work at walk past our offices, one of them would email the little group and make a horrid comment on that person’s choice of clothes for the day or their hair, makeup etc. The comments always included something about everyone’s weight, size, food they ate, even they way people spoke or walked.

    It made me physically ill to read and hear what they would say about everyone. It was a job that I very soon started to hate, because of them. I would wake up in the morning and cry at the thought of being in the same building as them. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.

    On another note, I know a few people have asked below if you would prefer it those who are curious about you, would ask you directly (and hopefully politely) as opposed to you knowing that they are talking behind your back?

    I’m not for a moment saying that these situations are the same, but one of my daughters was born with a hip condition that required her to wear a brace for a year. She managed to learn how to walk and climb around at the park wearing her brace and of course he appearance at the time always drew attention. I really appreciated the people who would just come right out and ask me what it was that she was wearing and why. And those that I could see just staring at her… well, if I was a fragile day, it would really upset me. Do you feel similar sometimes?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  37. The girl from the carnival

    Do yourself a favour and go read Carly’s blog. That is all.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  38. girly

    Hmm.. I don’t get many comments on my appearance, except for my boyfriend thinking I have similar eyes to Cameron Diaz!

    One guy I was seeing kept asking me if I exercise or go to the gym and made me feel very self conscious!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  39. La Petite Chou

    I’ll come right out and admit it, I was bitching about the WAGS on the blue carpet lazy susan on Twitter on Brownlow night with the best of them. It was the biggest trending topic of the night and I promise you the commentary wasn’t all about football.

    It’s human nuture, a primal response in fact, to notice the differences between various humans in the group. What sets us apart as civilised grown-ups is when we don’t see difference, we simply see the person. That said, it’s a learnt behaviour. Thank you Carly for reminding me that I need to reinforce it more often than I do, across all settings.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  40. katec

    So, just how awful is it that one night some rude chick made a comment about my weight and i told her she was too ignorant to know that some cancer treatments can make you put on weight- really awful? I’ve never had cancer, but it is a fact and I usually take that shit lying down. Sometimes you just don’t want to. In any case, my point is that even though I was lying, I may not have been and she judged me without knowing a thing about me.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  41. Claudia

    I can appreciate this. It’s amazing how a small comment can have a big effect.

    The other day I was shopping and tried on some pants which, frankly, looked awful on me. The shop assistant asked how they were and I said they didn’t suit me and she said ‘who wants skinny legs anyway!!!’

    Hmm, thanks.

    For all she knew I meant the colour didn’t suit me, but she went straight for the area I don’t like about myself. I’m a small size, but I don’t have ‘skinny’ legs, so this comment hurt.

    I think what it boils down to is some people are just rude – some mean to be, and some are just a bit clueless. I suppose we should try to brush off the ones who are clueless, and try not to be around the ones who mean it.

    Thanks for a great post :)

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  42. Elle Tee

    Carly, you are beautiful – inside and out.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  43. marmalady

    Just today my daughter (age 5) saw an obese woman who also had a great deal of facial hair (a downy beard). She said to me “that lady is weird”. Fortunately, the woman didn’t overhear (at least I don’t think she did) and when she’d passed I explained to my daughter that it is not OK to comment negatively on other people’s appearances. I explained that the woman probably had a medical condition and also that it would’ve hurt her feelings if she’d heard the comment. My daughter said “Oh. Poor lady”. But ideally, its be great if there were no pity, just acceptance that we’re all unique and different.

    Carly, I think its great that you were able to say that the woman in the loos meant no harm. You seem a very gracious and open-hearted person and I wish there were more people like you around in this appearance -obsessed culture.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • elli

      “Poor lady” is probably a pretty good start, coming from a 5 year old. Many adults wouldn’t be as sypathetic.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  44. fender4eva

    Carly, you are an inspiration…… :-)

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  45. Jelly

    What a great honest post. Thank you so much for sharing with us!

    I must say I’m guilty of the same curiosity, but proud to say I’m the the first to jump on someone when they are judging people. That is never ok, and such people deserve a pu ch in the undies!

    My question – would you rather people ask you directly and satisfy their curiosity in a tactful manner?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  46. Catwoman

    I wear the niqab so I’m used to people looking and talking about me. Usually I don’t mind and try to give them my smiling eyes or chirpy ‘hello’ as a sort of comfort for what I understand might be an intimidating appearance to them. Most of the time it’s curiosity so I don’t take it negatively.

    Today though I got really peed off, as I passed two girls (around early 20s) in the shopping center, one caught my eye, said something to her friend then both did a total 180 turn just to get a look at me and kept staring for about a minute. Maybe I’m PMSing, but I just gave her a “what the hell is your problem” type of look and kept staring back til they looked away (annoying because my face is covered so it’s hard to show an annoyed face through eyes only, should have put my hand on my hip and swerved my head or something lol) .

    I felt like an idiot staring at someone like that but I wasn’t going to just go about being stared at like a freak. I find that so rude and would never do it to anyone else, no matter what they looked like. Some people lack basic etiquette.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • katec

      Fair enough to be peed off. Once you’re 20 you should have some awareness of the niqab and realise that staring is not okay.
      Should have given them hand on the hip and some sassy finger snaps!

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Rcpfg

      You know this is a great point. I wad in the city with my 3 yr old son recently. We were in the shops getting him some pants. There were 2 young mums with small kids- mums wearing head scarves. And I observed them getting ‘tude from the lady behind the counter and other people pretty much looking through them/ you know no eye contact, not sure what to do thing that people do. Anyway, they were leaving walking towards us and I noticed one if the kids was missing a shoe, so I asked her, like I would with any other mum ‘do you know he only has one shoe on’- she nearly jumped! We ended up in a small exchange but it saddened me that they must feel invisible walking down the street because people don’t know ‘ the right thing to do’ . And the answer to me is simple- treat people with respect and give them dignity- scarf, burqua, niqab, disability- what does it matter? And also I agree that women can be nasty to each other, but really- we are sisters!

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  47. kerrisackville

    Carly, as you know, I love your work.
    I do tend to notice the way people look – I think that’s just how people are programmed – but I can honestly say that once I know people and love them, their looks become irrelevant to me. Some of my best friends, both female and male, are conventionally good looking, some are absolutely not, but they are all beautiful to me, as totally sappy as that sounds.
    On the other hand, if I dislike someone, doesn’t matter if they look like a movie star, I will find them unattractive.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  48. Pip73

    What a great piece Carly. Thank you!

    As much as I don’t want to admit, I do make the odd comment or remark. I ask questions, mainly because I am curious. I also do the odd judgemental glance at someone with what they are wearing.

    I admit it, I can’t help it, I’m human, and human’s are essentially curious beings.

    Anyone who says that they have never thought or commented on someones dress, features, disability etc are down right lying!

    I am Chinese with a thick Australian accent, I have had racial slurs said about my family and I without people knowing our story. Water off a ducks back – we are who we are. I will say something back if the need arises otherwise I let if go to the keeper!

    I am looking forward to following your blog Carly. Well done!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  49. Tutu Ames

    Carly, you are wonderful! You brighten up my twitter feed and I hope one day to meet you! Brilliant post as usual.

    Also, you go to SO many weddings ;) I nearly bought the Forever New dress you wore to the other wedding thanks to the photo you posted.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  50. Jen

    I understand so much of what you say! I deal with this kind of thing daily. I’ve got an asymmetrical face and it’s amazing what people will say/ask/do, etc!

    For the most part, the human race are just plain curious. And that’s ok. I am always happy to chat about it and give information but it all depends on how I’m asked. Take “Oh my God, what happened to your face?”. That gets an “Oh my God, what happened to your manners?”. If asked in a way that expresses genuine interest or especially concern, it doesn’t worry me. You get used it it :)

    I find that through being open, comes understanding and acceptance. I really enjoyed this article, thanks!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • anon

      Totally agree about people being curious. I wasn’t in Carly’s situation, but it sounds like the people at that event were generally more curious than critical.

      Thinking about this, I feel people tend to get their ‘gossip’ out when it’s about a choice someone has made – i.e. ‘what is she wearing?’, ‘check out her hair!’, ‘he looks like a homeless bum’. But it’s not often I’ve come across someone who blatantly criticises a bodily anomaly that is beyond the owner’s control.

      In my experience, it’s always simple curiosity that brings forth a human need to discuss or find out about someone’s interesting physical quirk.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • B.B.

      I have an asymetrical face too and i hate comments on it. They cut me to the bone. They don’t happen very often, but they always shut me down for days. I wear glasses so it isn’t that obvious unless i take them off…and I rarely do.

      The worst was “you’d be really attractive if your face wasn’t so damaged”. I was furious, I AM NOT DAMAGED!!

      Needless to say I’m getting married next year and in all my wedding picks, I’ll be wearing glasses.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Anonymous

      My cousin also has an asymmetrical face due to being born with Torticollis, a shortening of the muscle on one side of her neck. Is this what cause yours? I’m asking out of a Health Professional’s curiousity.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Jen

        I also had torticollis but as far as every doctor has ever told me, the two are not related. At least in my case and with the condition I’ve got.

        I’m very happy to tell you more. Just shoot me an email at vandixon@mail.com
        x

        GD Star Rating
        loading...

So, we have $1000 to give away... oh, would you be interested? Well step right this way.

To go in the draw to win, just LIKE us on Facebook, enter your email address and tell us in 25 words or less why you love reading Mamamia.

Close this popup



Full Terms & Conditions