by ELLY KLEIN
Girl walks into a bar and sees drop-dead gorgeous boy who looks about 10 years younger than her. Girl immediately assumes he is ‘out of her league’, but she can’t help trying her luck anyway, despite the odds.
After a brief interaction, girl goes into the bathroom and scrawls cute note + her phone number on a piece of paper, comes out, hands it to boy and scurries away with her friend before the inevitable beetroot face ensues. Friend gives girl a pat on the back for being so bold, but girl thinks that’s as far as it’ll go. What are the odds of hearing from boy? Not good.
Cut to the following day. Girl receives text message from boy: ‘That was very brave of you to give me your number. Sure, I’ll have a drink with you.’ Girl is chuffed. But what are the odds of boy being attracted to her? Low, at best.
Girl meets boy for a drink with no expectations. The date goes better than predicted. Also, she finds out he’s 3 years younger than her – not 10. They talk, drink and eat. They jump in the car and go for a drive and then talk, drink and eat some more at the next bar. Then they decide to do something else with their mouths… They kiss. And it’s a GOOD kiss. Wow! What are odds of having a good kiss on a first date with a drop-dead gorgeous slightly-younger man who you think is way out of your league? Clearly, a lot better than anticipated.
They lock in a second date, and that goes well, too… Then a third date… Then a fourth date… Maybe he isn’t out of her league after all. And she is starting to like the odds…
Ladies and gentleman, that girl was me. (I know, right – you never would have guessed.) And the above describes a recent couple of months in my love life.
At 24, I felt confident I could attract almost any good-looking man I wanted – and I was right 9/10 times. (Ah, youthful optimism… and skin tone.) At 34, I feel confident I can attract almost no good-looking man I want – and I’m right 9/10 times, which is a shame, because at 34 I don’t look THAT different and I have SO much more to bring to a relationship than I did at 24. The above courtship with Mr Drop-Dead Gorgeous has now morphed into a friendship (and I mean a real friendship – not a ‘let’s be friends’ friendship and then the only time you ever see each other is on Facebook). We see each other about once a fortnight now. After spending a little time together, the feeling was mutual that we weren’t right for each other long-term, so there was no point in being an exclusive couple. But it had nothing to do with looks. It wasn’t a case of him being ‘out of my league’. Our personalities were simply not well-matched for the ‘happily ever after’ stuff.
Bloody break-ups: While you’re mourning the loss of what could have been (even though it couldn’t) while unconsciously devouring pints of ice cream and lamenting, ‘What did I do to deserve this?’, you never walk away empty-handed. The bittersweet consolation prize is that you are now the proud owner of some priceless life lessons.
My mini-relationship with Mr DDG taught me to have a little more faith in the possibility that someone I find extremely physically attractive just might fancy me back. He also taught me, inadvertently, that physical attractiveness is the least of it when you’re trying to find someone to share your life with. (As gorgeous as he is, I definitely felt as though there was something missing.) Common values, interests, direction in life and that intangible chemistry is what makes you go from ‘in like’ to ‘in love’ and sign up for a future with someone.
Having said all that, I’m currently on a health kick to get my slightly older exterior matching my still-young-and-playful interior (it’s not as effortless at 34 as it was at 24) – I know, the irony is not lost on me. But I figure if I can nab myself a Mr DDG, I’m hopeful about the odds of nabbing a Mr DDGARFM (Drop-Dead Gorgeous AND Right For Me). And from now on, I’m only going to assume that 7/10 good-looking men are out of my league… Hey, I’m a realist.
Elly Klein is the author of the relationship advice book, Men Are Like a Box of Chocolates. You can buy her book here, visit her website here, follow her on Twitter here and find her on Facebook here.
Have you ever dated someone that you thought was out of your league? How did it go?







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If you’re gonna put out your odds of getting the man you want are very good.
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I wrote a whole blog post about ‘down dating’ and why it always happens to hot women! http://urbandetective.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/dating-down.html
Totally agree with this post! x
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Really enjoyed this post. Love and romance are fun at any age!
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After dating some hotties with not-so-hot personalities (or personality disorders), I’ve just started seeing one of the coolest, loveliest guys I’ve ever met. He’s a bit shorter than me and on the portly side, and a few of my male friends have joked that he’s the one punching above… But, man, I am smitten and feeling pretty darned lucky
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Me and Freind were talking about this the other day. A Freind who is 5 years younger and absoutly stunning – is never approached and struggles to get a date. ( she is a beautiful person on the inside ) MYself however always has a handful of guys keen. And not without a boyfriend for long. We came to the conclusion I’m “just pretty enough” – meaning I’m pretty enough to be attract men – but not so pretty that I’m out of there league
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I’m 34 too and recently single for the first time since my early twenties. What I find strange is that I only get guys in their 20s interested in me, even guys aged just 20, which is a little freaky for me. I’m yet to meet a guy over 27 who will look twice at me. I guess I would be labelled a cougar but I’m not the one doing the chasing.
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I see your dilemma, but it’s kind of an awesome problem to have, too! Enjoy those youngsters while you can!
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I have the same problem – Im 32 and for the past year or so have really only been hit on by guys in their early to mid-20s… Im quite lucky (good genes and lots of money on ‘maintenance’) and look younger than I am. I tell the guys how old I am and they are totally fine with it… But to be honest I find it quite hard. Im used to going out with guys 10 years older than me, not 10 years younger…
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So I can relate to this and YES it is totally possible to nab yourself a DDG or two (or even 3!).
After ending my 9 year relationship at the age of 29, I was pleasently surprised, after finally opening my eyes, that the world was fill of yummy, attractive DDGs.
First up was my financial advisor, I stepped into his meeting room for the first time (unfortunately a bit hungover) and spent the entire meeting swooning over his stunning blue eye and completely missing out on prospective fund mgmt opportunities. Oh yes, Young Rich (as he became known) was a 6ft 5, strappingly muscly, chiselled, gorgeous blue-eyed, blonde, 25yo adonis (and I don’t even like blondes!). It wasn’t long before he asked me for coffee, to discuss how his firm might help me “manage my assets” when quite frankly I was only interested in managing his…coffee led to lunch (the same day mind you!) where over a glass of wine I poured out the whole story of my cancelled engagement…which promptly led to drinks that evening. Or more correctly, I had drinks with a girlfriend in the suburb where I live and he decided to crash them. One thing led to another and a night, or more correctly, a few minutes of passion ensued. Thinking that would be the last I heard from him, I promptly distracted my broken heart with mindless responses to fellow desperates on RSVP (hey I can use that term, I was one). But lo and behold, it was a mere 12 hours later before I heard from him again, with a few confessions…Turns out he he was living with his girlfriend. Also turns out, he broke up with her within a week and moved out, poor love. Despite all his best efforts, it was not at all the right timing for me (right place, right time definitely has some resonance here). He was stunning, adoring, committed – something I could not be. He was wanting marriage and I had just gotten out of one. And, at 25, he was what I considered WAY TOO YOUNG!!! So after a few, exceedingly passionate filled months, he packed his bags and left town(actually he left the country).
Next up was Cub, affectionately named as I was technically a Puma (<40, dating a younger man). As he walked into my friends housewarming party, for the first time in my life my jaw noticeably dropped, to the point where my girlfriends told me to pick my tongue up off the floor. Awkward.
I approached this tall, dark and handsome young man (only 24 this time! I was now 30!) and tried to engage him in conversation. He was French, he thought I was too old, said a polite hello and promptly left. Even more awkward.
So bold action was now required. I suggested to the party host that she text him, indicating my interest (but lets be frank, she took poetic license and sent him a rather suggestive SMS). So what guy wouldn't take that up? Turns out he also had a girlfriend, but she was in Germany so out of sight out of mind. He gave her the flick over xmas and come new year my girlfriend informed me he was ready to 'catch up'. Well, inhaling a few glasses of my fave Pinto for courage, I met him one Friday evening for drinks. He wowed me on the dance floor, plied me with more drinks and…you can guess what happened next. But it didn't stop there. We both thought it was just a casual thing as he was moving back to France in a few months. But a funny thing happened – we quickly started to just enjoy hanging out together, playing in the surf at Bondi, dancing in Paddington, taking a few trips away. Before long, he was being shipped to a new job in Singapore. We had been seeing each other seriously for only 4 months and I bit the bullet. 18 months ago now we moved in together in Singapore. And it just gets better everyday.
Moral of the story, its all about attitude, be confident and believe that they are punching above their weight being with you. Or as Steve Jobs would say "Stay hungry, stay foolish".
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‘Wasn’t long before he asked me for coffee to discuss how his firm might help me “manage my assets” when quite frankly I was only interested in managing his…’ Heh heh. That was my favourite line.
Thanks for this fab story! The fact that the relationship with your Mr DDG ‘gets better every day’ is inspiring to me.
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I guess the question of whether someone is punching above their weight is totally subjective, dependng on what you find attractive in a person and what other qualities they have. Your idea of DDG might be my idea of “yeah not bad, but a bit too [whatever]“.
My boyfriend and I both think we’re punching above our weight. Visually we’re probably on par – neither of us classically beautiful, him “rugged” and shortish, me overweight – but we see qualities in each other that we aspire to.
Can we both be right, both be “punching above weight”? The whole idea is nonsense as there can’t possibly be a universally agreed grading system.
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There is a grading system when it comes to partner selection. This is well documented in psychology and anthropological literature. In the grading system, features such as looks, wealth, social status all contribute to a certain score. We know from the research, that it is exceptionally rare for couples to be hugely different in score. So if you find an ugly old man with a young hot woman, it is usually because the old guy has a lot of wealth and status.
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3 years younger? Pah! Try 14 years and girls look at him wherever we go. But it’s 5 years later and we are still perfectly happy!
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Love it!
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Ah, my current boyfriend is gorgeous. And wears cool clothes, but never tries hard. I know girls check him out and it does irritate me a bit but why worry! I definitely think I’m punching above my weight, but for some strange reason he seems to quite like me so does it really matter?
We get on crazy well!
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I want someone I get on ‘crazy well’ with!
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It’s nice to have someone who I just “get”
We laugh and laugh and talk about crazy stuff.
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My partner is gorgeous; very charismatic and was a bit of a Fabio ‘back in the day’ (so was I, and back in the day was everything up to the 15/09/2009).
I punched below my weight for nearly my entire dating life- my inner snob rears her ugly head; not just looks wise, they lacked the pizzazz that my inner cave woman wanted. I was (*egomaniac*) embarrassed to be with them, but didn’t think that I was good enough to reach higher. They were safe choices.
How the tides turn!
I still feel like I’m punching above my weight; I knew that I always was going to feel like that; no matter the arena, I can’t stop the desire to pee on his leg or something similar to show the other ladies that I caught this hunk-a-spunk (amiright ladies)- yes he’s even better than Kel Knight.
When we engage each others friends, their perception of our similarities border on creepy; he is me with a penis and a cool side, and I am him with a propensity towards embarrassing myself (so he doesn’t have to).
Good on you thatgirlfiona; We’re totally winning!
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I’ve been thinking looks aren’t THAT important to me. Perhaps that’s because I don’t enjoy sex very much and I just really crave companionship/ friendship/ someone to talk to.
So what happens if you find yourself in the situation where you find out your husband is looking at pictures of women online (clothed) as well as porn?
Personally, I find it quite disheartening and offensive. I feel rejected and it feels as though he is having an emotional affair. Yes, I realise there may be some of you who think I am being a bit precious or a prude or what not. But this is how I feel. I’d love to hear from those who understand how I feel.
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Jess, it might be worth having some counselling to sort this one out.
If you don’t enjoy sex much, as you said, but your partner does, that’s a problem. With regards to him looking at images of other women, only the two of you can decide what constitutes an emotional betrayal in your relationship. I know how you feel, but it might also be perfectly innocent. Talk to him. Or talk to a professional. Or both. Best wishes!
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Thanks Elly I appreciate it. Yes perhaps counselling would benefit me.
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Many moons ago, my best mate and I used to ogle a guy at our work who we thought was Adonis reincarnated. We used to giggle and say Hi. We were all in our early 20′s. About a year later, gorgeous man and myself were put into a training group together that came together several times a week for about a month. We hit it off! Howled with laughter together, shared similar sense of humour. I really never I was in his league but I had been riding my bicycle everywhere for about 6 months and was in great shape and feeling confident, plus we just got along so well. We started seeing each other socially, having a few dates and mildly flirting. We finally ended up in the sack after a couple of months and guess what?! Worst sexual chemistry ever. And I lost interest instantly! Which is weird because I don’t even have much of a libido anyway. I wish we had of stayed good mates because in retrospect we were brilliantly matched that way, but once we crossed the line, I found too weird to step back and still remain close. Still amicable enough in the large workplace we were in; no dramas or anything. He was a cool guy!
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And what are you supposed to do if you save yourself til your wedding night then find out you’re not sexually compatible??
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Yikes! Did that happen to you?
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Been there – sort of. There have definitely been guys I honestly think are really good looking but with whom I have no chemistry.
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My husband is Vietnamese, and I’ve had countless women tell me that they aren’t usually attracted to Asian men but they think my husband is very handsome. And he really is, when I first laid eyes on him (in Vietnam) he took my breath away! And I wasn’t a girl to be swept away so easily. I’ve always thought he is similar to a Vietnamese Johnny Depp, if that makes any sense?? Not conventionally handsome, but amazing features and has some sort of aura or style that is soo appealing! He is also much taller than the average Vietnamese man which makes him more noticable too I think. Even after 12 years together I still admire his exquisite features.
I’m reasonably attractive, but I feel plain compared to the exotic features of my husband and our 3 children. We have 3 daughters, and I know I’m biased, but I have to admit, they are stunning looking, as many Eurasian people are. I’m so pleased my girls have inherited so many beautiful features from their father!
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I have this theory that anyone who is mixed race is gorgeous!
I don’t think I’ve ever met an unattractive (as far as looks is concerned, that is) mixed race person. I have no doubt your kiddies are gorgeous, bias aside.
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I think there are actually studies that back that up – in surveys that measure perceived attractiveness based on facial features, Eurasian features score highly (or something along those lines!)
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holy crap! A Vietnamese Johnny Depp!? mmmm lucky thing. He sounds gorgeous
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Most white women do not find asian men attractive in any way. However, most asian men find white women irresistable. Something about the cultural forces of the world.
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I guess you could say my husband is batting out of his league with me. I don’t mean to sound arrogant, I’m not a super model, but I would definately rate higher on the ‘looks’ scale than him. We’ve been together 15 years and only one girlfriend ever said I could do better, whereas I have had many guys, inc some of his mates, say that he is batting out of his league.
We have recently come to realise he may have a form of Aspergers. Before me, he generally dated the most popular, pretty girls even though he isn’t conventionalyl handsome. However what he did have was a lack of guile and an indifference to these social norms and etiquette about who asks out who. And he could never understand game playing in a relationship either. To him, it was as simple as this. You like a girl, you ask her out.
He may be batting out of his league looks wise, but I ended up the winner with such a wonderful, uncomplicated man as a husband.
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This is a great piece, Elly – love your wit, candour and honesty. it’s obviously hit a spot as everyone can relate one way or another.
personally, the most well-suited couples seem to transcend any obvious mismatches – such as looks or income earning potential. it seems personality and other intangibles can ultimately trump the more superficial aspects.
would love to see more of your articles on other relationship-matters. PS – your book is awesome and my girlfriends all agree as many of us have ‘been there, done that’.
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Aww. Thanks, Anita. Will you be president of my fan club?
Yeah, it’s amazing how some couples click. Chemistry between two people isn’t really something you can see from the outside.
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Good article Elly! I must say though, I relate a little differently. For me, dating “above my expectations” is not about looks. I tend to just get skeptical about whether the other person can keep me interested in the long term, and whether they will really be interested in me. Of course, if they happen to be Mr Hotness then I guess I’m not too concerned about the long term!
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I married my Mr. DDG…we probably married a bit young but 7 years on we’ve grown up together and most days ;o) i love who we are together and what we have.
The fact that he is DDG wasn’t what got me in the beginning and in fact I thought he had a bad haircut and needed some new clothes for the first little while after I met him-ha ha!
We’re relatively new to town and more than once I’ve had someone comment to me after meeting him that he is quite cute with a tone of surprise. Never know where to go with that.
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Another success story!
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I loved this article Elly. Well written and witty! My favourite kind.
I wish you lots of luck in your search. Please report back to us
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Thanks so much, Rose.
I’m kinda off the market at the moment… married to my work (I’m hibernating for the winter). Got lots of exciting things coming up. But don’t worry, I’ll thaw out in spring.
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Well said, Elly! I never went for guys that I deemed out of my league, but did end up with best. Having said thay I did meet him at a time when I was at my most fittest, looking gorgeous and feeling confident and relaxed (weeks away from turning 30!). I was in such a positive headspace at the time that I would have happily hit on Mr DDG…. with a PhD, as a CEO driving a BMW.
And for the sceptics, internet dating CAN work…. It did for us!! My husband always says it’s about luck and timing!
Been married almost 4 years with a baby son.
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‘I would have happily hit on Mr DDG…. with a PhD, as a CEO driving a BMW.’ That’s gold!
Yep, I’m a big fan of internet dating (although, I’m currently having a break from it). It works, people. It works. See above!
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Not a sceptic, just had bad luck.. but inspired that I should keep plugging away at it… my point though was I think it is harder for older women (40+??… 50?).. the ones with more history, kids (some consider baggage) etc.. and also men of my age seemingly like a trophy wife and 30 something women like a stable (read financially stable) older man. I would be curious about the actual stats but I just think internet dating works better for younger people (not that I want to consider myself ‘old’ at 46).. it is a means of meeting people and I just convince myself it is a numbers game… just don’t imagine myself on cougar.com (well, not yet???… LOL)
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This is a good post Elly. A nice way to generate light hearted dating chat that is more hopeful than self deprecating and cynical. I think most women could stand to value themselves a little more than they do.
As for me, 31 and single. I have 2 men interested in me, but feel no chemistry at all with them. They are both 4 years younger, one is a painter by trade and a nice bloke, not overly clever, but not unintelligent either. He is a gentleman, though very very ocker. Doesn’t read books, or ever clean anything, doesn’t drive. Not that those have to necessarily be dealbreakers, but I just don’t feel anything. The other is a guy who has been my mate for years, he’s a bit effeminate. I thought he was gay when I first when met him and he has the most irritating laugh I’ve heard in my life. Doesn’t read books, works in a hospital as one of those people that wheel the patients into surgery and stuff (forget what they are called lol) which is ok, though not exactly of high career aspirations. He’s a good guy. As my friend. But again, there is nothing else there. There just isn’t.
And yet I somehow managed to get myself a little too entwined with a man last year who had a partner, and kept saying he was going to break up with her but never did. I realised I was yet again becoming too emotionally involved with someone who was neither available, nor treating me the way i deserve to be treated. So I ran a mile quick smart!
I have decided to really just not worry about meeting someone. It is not the be all and end all, it really isn’t. Besides I have a back-up plan for having children anyway. My mum (a teacher) works with a young gay teacher who has been with his partner (a meteorologist) for several years and want someone to have a baby with. Kindly, mum suggested me as an option, and what started as a joke has actually become a serious potential plan. I mean why go for a sperm donor when you can you share the job and have financial support from two very handsome and clever (british) men. My mother is very fond of these boys, they are lovely. The most un-gay, gay couple you’ve met. Which i think disappointed mum at first because she really wanted to talk them about home decor and paint colours. She claims she has always wanted a gay son to share her interest in such things… she’s a cracker my mum. Love her.
Anyway i am totally rambling…
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Heh heh. Well, that all sounds hunky-dory to me.
Good idea not to get into a relationship with anyone you have luke-warm feeling for (and those guys don’t exactly sound like ideal matches).
The gay couple option sounds like a good back-up plan for having a baby. I’d give it a few more years, though. You’re only 31. I’ve changed a lot in the past three years (I’m 34), but that’s a story for another blog post!
Thanks so much for your comments today.
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Just make sure you have some iron clad agreements in place re custody, education, financial support etc or you could find yourself muscled out….Cynical? Yep. Not exactly experienced but was thinking along the same lines so did my research. Thankfully Mr Right came along at age 38 and baby born at age 40.
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Ooh! 38 and then 40. There’s hope for me yet!
Good advice re. agreements.
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Aw, glad mr right eventually came along Lexy. Just goes to show there is always hope. And you are definitely right, I would definitely have to have some formal and legal agreements going into such an unconventional arrangement… I’m not in a hurry. But hey it’s always good to have back up plan!
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I have to admit I find the term “punching above your weight” a bit off. It quite often refers to looks and doesn’t take into account the other qualities that each person brings to a relationship.
I know a lot of things an separate us, but each person’s worth is pretty much the same as anothers.
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Good thing I didn’t have that ‘Punching above my weight’ t-shirt made up to wear out with Mr Drop-Dead Gorgeous.
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My dad, bless his heart drummed into me as a child to NEVER go for a super good looking man because chances are thousands of other women will be flinging themselves onto him and he won’t be able to maintain his devotion to me. Miss Average. He meant well and I’m happily married to a good looking guy now but I never forget his advice and what a nutter he was setting me up to have such little confidence that I could do well!!!
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It’s like when parents try to steer you away from being an actor, musician or… eek… writer! They mean well, but they’re not allowing any room for having a red-hot go. (Note: My parents are not like that – hi, Mum!)
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I’m 47 and my grandmother has just announced to the family that she’s leaving me her diamond engagement ring in her will because ‘That’s the only diamond you’ll ever have.’ I now realise she’s probably right, at my age you can’t punch above your weight unless you look like Megan Gale.
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Your grandmother may be lovely, but what a sh*t thing to say about you. Your chances may be slim for all i know, but does she have a crystal ball? People find love at all ages. I can think of 2 women without any effort that are in new relationships, one close in age to you and another quite a bit older.
Besides, what if you buy yourself a diamond?
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Yes, yes, YES, Faybian! That sounded like the orgasm scene from When Harry Met Sally, but I was really just agreeing with everything you said.
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As I haven’t won lotto this week I won’t be buying myself a diamond but If I haven’t found anyone by the time I hit 50 I’m going to pony up for one and marry myself
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Just make sure you get some Manolo Blahniks out of it – that’s what Carrie Bradshaw did! (Check out Sex and the City episode: A Woman’s Right to Shoes.)
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Love that episode!
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Ouch! No, RedQueen. There’s ALWAYS a chance you can punch above your weight, Your Rose-Coloured Majesty.
Anyway, you don’t need to punch above your weight to meet someone nice, get engaged and get a diamond ring. You just need to find the right person.
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I visited my yiayia on Mothers’ Day. As I was leaving, and kissing her goodbye, she hugged me and said… “And I pray every night that god will send you a man.” (I’m 28, you see… Tick tick tick….)
Me: “Yiayia, I’m so so happy right now. Next time you pray, thank God that he has blessed me with so much and that I’m so happy”.
Yiayia: Pauses whilst she considers this info…. “You’re right… I next time I pray I will thank God that you’re happy. But I think I will still keep praying for a man”.
Hahaha
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Most single women I know are always trying to grab what is out of their league. Its called having delusions of grandeur. Unfortunately the older they get the more delusional they become, when in reality the older they get the more they depreciate. Then they wake up at 40 single and childless & wonder why..
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I agree many single 30-something women have delusions of grandeur when it comes to men, but I don’t. That’s why I was so surprised when this fella liked me back. Was NOT expecting it! But thought I’d roll the dice anyway.
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There’s nothing wrong with having a crack. I like the way you did it too, gave him your number but still left the ball in his court.
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Loretta – I’m sorry there is very little chance that this came from a woman’s mouth. C’mon, you’re a bit of a bloke, aintcha?
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Have you been watching “The Life of Brian”..?
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My partner and I seem to live this in reverse. We’ve been together for years but he still harps on about how I could’ve done better than him. But from my side of things? Ok I could’ve found someone buffer or typically handsome and in life there will always be someone richer or more successful. But it’s him that I love and connect to and it’s him who can make me smile at the thought of him. What ‘league’ matters when you’ve got that? Just go for it ppl.
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Right on!
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I’ve been with my bf 7 months tomorrow. I first met him at our sports prize-giving night (for hockey) in 2010, he sat at the same table as me. We talked for a bit, i thought he was hot (even though he had longer hair than me at the time!) and off we went separate ways. Then in 2011 we got talking again at another hockey social event. I started liking him but i thought he was too good looking, smart etc for me and would never be interested in going out with me, and i thought he’d have the pick of any girl he wanted (due to his good Eurasian looks)
Turns out he was interested, and we got together the end of last year!
And as for my thoughts about him having any girl he wanted- i couldn’t have been more wrong, he’s a big nerd at heart, has only had one other gf, and was single for 2.5 years before me!
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Aww. Cute story!
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I spoke to Mr DDG at a bar, only because my friend that I was with threatened that if I didn’t speak to him, she was going to speak to him on my behalf (“my friend over there likes you” was a horrifying thought) . He was decked out in my favorite winter combo of glasses and rollneck jumper.
I spoke briefly to him, so out of my league, and scurried away. He had my details and only emailed me a few days later to suss me out about the identity of another friend of mine that he wanted to chase. So we started to chat.
Fast forward 11 years, 8.5 years marriage and 3 kids. Still waiting for him to realize that I am still punching above my weight. He’s a better husband and father than I could ever have imagined when I walked over to him in that dodgy bar.
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My heart is fighting back the urge to burst into song. (It sometimes thinks it’s on Glee.) Love this comment! Thanks.
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I was set up with my now husband on a blind date and he is someone I would have never approached otherwise. If i saw him in a club i would have written him off as a good looking, gym junkie wanker who probably slept with anything that moved.
I was told we would be perfect together and had the same sense of humour so I gave him a chance.
He is probably the most sensitive man I’ve ever met, down to earth, honest, funny and quite frankly my soul mate.
If I’d gone with my snap judgement and met him under different circumstances we wouldn’t be married with a beautiful daughter!
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That’s awesome, Susie Q. Gives me hope!
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Everyone thinks I’m punching above my weight with my husband, so this article hits me in the guts a bit. Not the story, just the concept. Single women (most 30+) seem to think they’d be a much better match for him and dont seem to let the fact that he is married get in their way. I’ve joked that if I had my time over I would marry someone quite ugly. I wonder if I’m really joking though.
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He picked you didn’t he.
So whether it’s being older, or him better looking or whatever, you’ve obviously got something that he found interesting and lovable enough to commit to.
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Anna, don’t let those lasses get the better of you! I agree with Faybian.
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Your comment makes me feel sad somehow,Anna… not sure why.What is it that makes you feel that way?And what does your husband think about the subject-i hope it’s not his behaviour/actions which are making you feel so insecure…
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Hmmm…not that I can think of. But conversely – my best friends have recently told me that they thought my last 2 bfs were punching about their weight with me. I really was genuinely surprised.
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*above. *headdesk*
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I have this reverse-prejudice against good looking men. I have always assumed they’d be arrogant and ignore them…but its just because I’m intimidated. What have I missed out on?!
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What do you mean by reverse-prejudice? I thought any prejudice was just prejudice.
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My boyfriend is amazing. Incredible high achiever, handsome, fit. I’m still struggling to get back on my feet after some difficulties in life, including being overweight. He says he can see in me the person I was and will be, and he wants to support me and wait for me to become that person. It’s lovely, but I do struggle some times with wondering if I can measure up to him. It’s all in my head, he doesn’t do anything to make me feel this way.
I also think there is a kind of gender aspect to this – men punching above their weight is somehow more acceptable than a woman doing so. When people see a stunning woman next to an average guy they assume the guy has something else going for him – intellect, money, personality etc. When the guy is better looking I don’t feel as many assume the woman is bringing something amazing to the table on the inside.
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Sounds like you’ve got a gem who loves you for you. Enjoy, and don’t feel as though you don’t deserve him. You do!
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I guess it’s like everything else – fewer competition at the top because most people assume they aren’t good enough – same for jobs and promotions.
And you’ve always got a better chance to get what you want when you simply ask for it!
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Yes and yes!
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And often those at the “top” of the tree are the least approached. This little saying is a good one as to sometimes why the most “attractive” aren’t approached (it can be used for women and men)…
Girls are like apples on trees.
The best ones are at the top of the tree.
The boys don’t want to reach for the good ones because they are afraid
of falling and getting hurt.
Instead, they just get the rotten apples from the ground
that aren’t as good, but easy.
So the apples at the top think something is wrong with
them, when in reality, they’re amazing.
They just have to wait for the right boy to come along, the one
who’s brave enough to climb all the way to the top of the tree.
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Mmmm… apples.
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Great article Elly. It is interesting what defines beauty to another person.
I had a female teacher in high school that at the time I would have described as drop dead grogeous and I know a lot of my male classmates agreed! I recently looked at some old photos and objectively, she really was not that special. But she was funny, smart and she always had heaps of time for her students and went out of her way to make our learning fun. That clouded all of our vision because she was a beautiful person!
One of my best friends (a boy) unfortunately found himself single again in his late 30′s. He is constantly over looking fabulous women (DDG and otherwise) because he thinks he does not have a chance. I should send him this article.
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Thanks for your feedback and, yes, please do send him the article!
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If he is in BrisVegas, send him over..
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Try this senario in your mid to late 40′s – post divorce spat out after 20 years for the younger woman – space and your options are limited. Turn to internet dating – getting with the times right?.. nope!… Men want to trade up – it’s a 24 hour meat market – a moving feast of options for them. Why would they trade down with the free, never ending smorgasboard.
I am not a pessimist, I think I am a pretty good catch, stable, emotional and financially secure, nice home, own business… but not picture perfect and resorting to chemical assistance to maintain the hair, but not yet the face. So as a woman in her 40′s why would I think that I could trade up?… I am just bloody grateful if I meet a sensible, available (hopefully emtionally available) male, let alone one who is a realist and wants some sort of mutual respect and commitment… not necessarily of the everlasting love kind, more the ‘I won’t be banging anything that moves, behind your back and hope that you won’t twig to it’ kind….
And in my eyes anyone who can trade up?… you’re a bloody legend!
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Amanda, thanks for your comment.
The dating scene can definitely wear you down, but my advice would be to remain optimistic (force yourself if you have to!) and proactive.
With regards to internet dating, take the time to sift through those profiles and contact the men you’re interested in. It’s impossible to know what someone’s looking for in a partner (heck, I don’t think most people even know themselves until they find it). Then, one day, what someone’s looking for will be YOU. I promise!
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I come and go on the internet dating scene – sometimes over it, sometimes back with renewed optimism… Sifting through the profiles is daunting as so many people lie about all manner of things… including the single, widowed dad who’s wife died of breast cancer hitting on me then turning nasty when I wouldn’t put out on the first date – to being approached by the ‘dead’ wife with the photo of same husband, who had both been trawling for a third wheel to play with. Or the BDSM fetish guy asking if I wanted to be his goldfish…. there has to be a diamond (even in the rough) out there somewhere!… LOL… but I agree, he will find me when the time is right… let’s hope
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Yikes, Amanda! You’ve come across some doozies.
I know of many internet dating success stories (in every age group!), so hang in there. Go on and off it, as you said, if you’re not feeling up to it. Just don’t go off it altogether. It really is an effective way of finding love in this day and age.
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Just the tip of the iceberg Elly!… think there is a book in mid life internet dating!… and will let you know when I succeed!
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Start a blog!
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Internet Dating is rough. Its hell for the average guy in his 20′s. In that age range the attractive girls are being hit on by guys of all ages.
Things turn in the guy’s favour as they get older and thats when you see many guys getting this entitlement complex from all the female attention.
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Very interesting story Elly.This is great advice for anyone who feels insecure about their looks and is struggling to find Mr Right. I have a friend who I would consider to be drop dead gorgeous who’s wife is nowhere near his level of attractiveness.
It just shows that not all people who are DDG are after a life partner who is also considered DDG. There are so many reasons why you fall in love with someone and in the end, if it is attraction that has kept you in a relationship, the relationship is doomed to failure. I mean, we’re all going to get ugly and wrinkly one day.
Thanks for the interesting read Elly.
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It’s funny, I get on so much better with really really attractive people because I know I have no chance in hell with them. Doesn’t make sense does it? I can’t explain it, but I’ve always found it easier to chat with them.
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That’s so interesting…
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I know. I’m a freak. I’m at peace with it
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EvilCupcake (love that name!),
I’m like that with intelligent people. I prefer to be surrounded by those who can outwit me. It makes me feel safe to know I’m not the smartest person in the room. I, too, am a freak and at peace with it.
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I too like to not be the smartest in the room. I think I find comfort in it because I’ve grown up with a family who are all academically smarter than me and I’m used to sitting around a dinner table with people having discussions about science, maths, philosophy, politics and anything and everything in between. I have a need to be challenged, ignorance makes me feel trapped.
Gosh I sound like a snob lol
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“ignorance makes me feel trapped.”
I’ll join you in the ‘snob’ corner.
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I relate to you cupcake! I get shy and nervous around men, but if I think I have no chance, then I’m just there for the conversation and not out to impress them. Although it largely depends on their personality as well. If they are exceedingly charming and a bit of a lady killer then I may well just be reduced to a pathetic giggling girl haha.
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Haha this piece resonates very strongly with me!
I work in a fruit shop and lusted after this amazingly attractive customer for ages, to the point where I sussed his name on his EFTPOS card and swooned over him loudly to my co-workers when I finished serving him (we had had a particularly good conversation that day). He hadn’t left the shop. I know. I KNOW. Not long afterwards, a close friend who lives in the street behind me invited me out with her next door neighbours, one of whom is said boy. I couldn’t go as I had other plans, and vehemently insisted that even if I had have been able to go I wouldn’t have as I couldn’t possibly speak to him again, but sure enough when I was out with this friend a few weeks later, we ran into him. After a brief conversation, during which I am absolutely positive he connected the dots and recognised me for the stalker I was, we parted ways, and despite his geniality I vowed that I simply couldn’t handle his general existence and would endeavour to avoid him as must as possible in the future. In the meantime I realised that he was even further out of my league than I had originally thought, having been informed by my dear friend that he’s not only unbelievably attractive but is intelligent, loves surfing and snowboarding, sings, plays guitar, speaks German, dresses well, cooks obsessively, is well travelled and is kind, witty, thoughtful and generous.
Fast forward a few weeks during which I had started to run into him EVERYWHERE and where further embarrassments occurred within my workplace and at his mum’s birthday barbecue (don’t ask, I am too scarred to repeat such incidents), we ended up in the same place again while we were out. A mutual friend had urged him to go up and speak to me, with his response being: “No, no, I can’t- she’s so lovely but I know that if I go over there I’ll just end up doing something to embarrass her”. So I’m clearly a strong, powerful woman in his eyes.
Anyway after further encounters at the fruit shop, and vain attempts on my part to redeem myself and prove my normality, I succumbed to social pressure by adding him on Facebook. A few days later, after claiming to a friend that he would speak to me on Facebook Chat only “in my wildest dreams”, he popped up at the bottom of my screen! To chat! Of his own volition! What followed was a solid hour and a half conversation about literature, travels and food, an exchange of numbers, and a suggestion on my part to drop in my favourite book for him to read the night after. Of course, I went over and ended up staying for another hour and a half in incredible conversation. No moves were made but I took home the book he had in mind for me and texted him once I’d finished (just this Monday gone). We’ve been texting ever since. I still assert that he is so far out of my league it’s frightening, and that his lack of ‘move-making’ indicates I am in the friend zone, but I am continuously being surprised by his desire to know me. Me, the swooning fruit shop freak.
We’ll have to wait and see where this heads, if anywhere, but I thought fans of this post would appreciate this story! And any advice for decoding his advances, ensuring I’m safe from the friend zone and fathoming his confusingly positive response to me would be greatly appreciated!
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I think he thinks you’re out of HIS league! For goodness sakes just ask him out for a drink! You have nothing to lose. And then fill us in on the rest of the story haha
And it has to be said… men never talk to you for hours in any medium unless they are into you!
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Dear ‘swooning fruit shop freak’ (your words; not mine – heh heh),
Oh, it’s on!
I agree with LucindaInTheSky… men don’t waste their time with women they’re not interested in.
Just enjoy getting to know him. Whether or not you’re in the ‘friend zone’ will be revealed in a short amount of time… but I have a feeling you’re in the ‘romance zone’. Enjoy!
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Yes please please for the love of God woman ask him out! Don’t let this opportunity slip by. I’m pretty sure this amazing gorgeous man thinks you’re out of his league and is too scared to make a move. Do it!
Thanks for the great story, anyway. It has given me hope!
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That’s a great story!!!
This feels like a really I’ve just started watching a really good movie and now there’s a blackout!!
Please keep us updated on what happens!!!
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Yes! We’re all going to want to know how the story ends.
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Abbey,
What an awesome story, i love this! I’m a big believer in the universe setting our plans for us and judging by the amount of times you randomly ran into this guy its like you are supposed to be together!!
In my first year of uni after finally getting the guts to break up with a boyfriend who ticked all the wrong boxes I hooked up with an acquaintanence who was loosely in our friendship circle who we would see out at every uni party, and who I believed was totally out of my league – canadian, amazing body, tanned and V sexy! Its the best confidence boost!
Like Elly says, he is obviously into you, men certainly dont waste their time if they are not interested! You have to act on this!!! you sounds very suited to each other, and by the sounds of it you dont have much to lose and A LOT to gain!
Can we please have a follow up on this story, i would love to know if you’ve moved on beyond friendship?
x
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‘Canadian, amazing body, tanned and v sexy’… Ah, you’re taking me back to my uni and skiing days.
I studied and worked in Canada for two years – loved it! And Canadian men, as a broad generalisation, are gorgeous in every way.
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It sounds like he has been stalking you if you are running into him everywhere. I’m getting the signals and I am (probably) hundreds of miles from you.
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You’re a great writer abbey! Such an interesting read, thank you.
Please keep us updated. It all sounds very exciting and promising!
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Well said (and written) Elly. Approaching a woman that seems out if your league is something that guys have had to grapple with for a long time. It’s good to see women doing more of the approaching. My only regret from my days before I got married (very happily btw): not going up to every woman I fancied and giving it a shot. Maybe that’s a lesson for women too.
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Heh heh. Thanks, Gerald!
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What a great story, and so impressed you had the courage to give him your phone number! I hope you find your DDGARFM guy soon.
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Me too, Jane. Me too! I’ve been waiting a long time for him.
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I admired a very hot guy years ago but always thought he was out of my league. We worked together and I had admired him in the lift for ages – as had most women in my office, we would talk about him all the time! But it was a large company so we didnt know each other. We finally met at the staff Christmas party. We kept it a secret from colleagues as it was frowned upon to date other staff. Anyway, after a few weeks he took me back to his apartment and it was obvious he lived with his girlfriend, even though he told me he was single when we first hooked up. It made me feel sick, I told him and I left.
Thats my experience! So from then on I avoided the extremely handsome guys because he frightened me off them.
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Don’t let one hot guy put you off ALL hot guys… especially when dating hot guys is so much fun!
Trust me, while the world has its jerks, it also has its gems.
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Guys go through this all the time, but good on you for taking the initiative with giving him your number. It can be exhausting carrying all the risk everytime you want to meet a girl.
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Thanks. I try.
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Great post, interestingly some of the best looking people I have encountered are surprisingly insecure. A girl who is a stunning model once told me that she is rarely approached, probably for the very reason your post eludes to.
At the end of the day I think looks only get you so far anyway, if there is no substance beyond the initial chemistry it is probably not the stuff of lasting love.
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I agree. It’s all about the chemistry.
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