Long before all my girlfriends starting popping out kids faster than an African nation without morally-sanctioned birth control, I proposed to them that we should institute an annual girls’ holiday. Nothing fancy, mind you, just a weekend away. Away from our partners, whatever children we may or may not have, and just spend some quality time talking girly stuff. Cement our friendship. A little Sex and the City, and lots of wine. Our future husbands would probably be doing annual boys’ golfing holidays, so hey, why can’t we do it too?
Now I thought this idea would go off like a frog in a sock, especially since we were all addicted to Sex and the City back in the day. How much arm-twisting does one need to spend time on a beach with some of your best girlfriends (oh, and did I mention wine?).
The idea was shut down completely by my girlfriends, pretty much without any discussion. They had already envisioned that there would come a time when they would have children, and a girls’ weekend and children just simply did not compute. I didn’t even feel like I was able to protest, since it was as futile as being a lone climate change voice at a Conservatives convention.
I was pretty disappointed. Actually, disappointment didn’t even begin to describe how I felt; there was more bewilderment and hurt. I was bewildered by their refusal to even consider leaving their children in their husbands’ capable hands for merely one night. And I was hurt that they didn’t cherish our friendship enough to spend just one night out of 365 together.
Fast forward to today, and now that most of my girlfriends have children, I recently proposed the idea again. I thought that with the realities of parenting understood, they’d be more amenable to it. They’d be gagging for girl time, where they can speak like adults for a whole weekend rather than in kid-speak. And the dads would relish the opportunity to eat sausage rolls on the couch, possibly in just their undies, and watch 8 hours straight of The Simpsons reruns with their children.
I heard crickets. This time there weren’t even refusals. I was roundly ignored.
As a single and childless woman, it’s not beyond my comprehension that, for my friends, their children come first above all else, even above their husbands. But in life we should nurture all of our relationships, whether they be with family, spouses, or close friends. All of these people fulfill different yet important needs in our lives and, like cars, they need to be serviced regularly. A two-hour lunch or dinner every couple of months, like a top up of petrol, keeps the relationship humming along but to ensure longevity it requires more quality input and attention.
Perhaps they would feel guilty leaving someone that is completely dependent on them, even if it is for just one night. But unless they are still breastfeeding or a single parent, mothers aren’t necessarily the sole caregiver for their babies and children. Do they forget they have a hopefully-just-as-capable husband that also shares the responsibility of caring for their children? They may even be lucky enough to have willing and enthusiastic parents or in-laws who would love nothing more than to spoil their grandchildren rotten with sweets and cuddles.
There’s a reason why Sex and the City was so addictive. It portrayed a fantasy of how we wanted to see ourselves, even just a little bit, if it weren’t for the fact our normal lives got in the way. All that carefree shopping, hot sex, and above all, deep and rock-solid female friendships that are fueled by frank and open discussion and, let’s face it, many Cosmopolitans.
The reality is that, once your friends have sprogs, their lives are overwhelmingly consumed by them that there is little room for friendships after factoring in their spouses and mothers’ groups. Those that do manage to maintain close friendships only do so through persistent and dedicated effort. One just hopes that the friendships are valuable enough for both sides to put the effort in.
Ev is a Sydney-based blogger and traveller at heart. You can find her blog here.







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I don’t have kids and am unlikely to go down that path. My best friend has an almost 2-year-old and yes, our friendship rituals have had to change to accommodate a third but I love it. My friend is so happy, her daughter an I get along really well, and my friend is still interested in my life though I confess I filter the triviality – probably no bad thing. It’s all about understanding that life changes and if your friendships are strong, you can handle change and be the better for it.
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I have a 10 year old and most (but not all of my friends) have children and I really value girls weekends away! Makes me really sad when * some* choose not to come as they don’t ‘trust’ (their words not mine) their husbands/partners to care for their children. I can’t imagine building a life with someone that I didnt’t believe was as capable as me for caring for our children!
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I think you are being a little selfish. Maybe your friends didn’t acknowledge you because they are getting tired you pushing for a weekend away when they have clearly said no in the past. Why can’t you organise a dinner with your mates or a picnic in the park so the little ones can join in? If those things don’t suit you then maybe you do need to get some new friends that don’t have children and share your interests. I lost a close friend when I had a child because she didn’t want to change her lifestyle and I was too tired to stay out past midnight! Other friends have realised that day time activities or a dinner are better suited these days. I can’t even have a night away with my husband yet let alone a girls night/weekend away. Be patient it may happen soon for you but maybe stop bringing it up for a while : )
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I’ll go away for a girl’s weekend Ev! All my friends live in other state so I’d kill for a weekend away from the kids and husband.
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tkd6oR Thank you ever so for you article.Thanks Again.
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I think what happens ev is that mums get very comfortable in their new lives, comfortable and tired … Ever wondered why sex and the city started losing its sparke once kids were introduced into it? Your good friends will remain so but maybe you might need to stick with the 2hr lunch or dinners until the kids are a bit older … In a few years time I’m sure they’ll all be gagging for an overnight break.
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I’m a pretty crappy friend as it is so I am looking forward to babies eating away at my friends’ time and less opportunities to catch up.
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Ive got 3 little kids, and I’d pretty much give my right arm for 24 hours without them, but with my besties… But none of my besties have kids so they do their thing all the time..
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I would look for new friends that are up for a weekend away. I’m a single mum who doesn’t co-parent and even I manage it once a year. A group of us go camping – it’s not expensive and it’s bloody fun.
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Oh my gosh how I would cherish an annual weekend away with my girlfriends!!! I would have no qualms leaving my 2.5-year-old and husband home alone for a weekend except for this: I would hate if my husband did it to me!! For a number of reasons, mostly that I don’t appreciate the vast amounts of alcohol he would consume and what actions that consumption leads to and secondly because he works away 6 months of the year…
I can’t really have double standards like that can I…
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I am not married and do not children but the two women who were my best friends from uni are both married with two children. At one stage we said we would be best friends forever. I was closer to each of them individually than they were to each other, but as they started to have children things changed. I was left behind and they became closer to each other as they had more in common.
We all live in different cities and used to make an effort to visit each other at least once a year but that has not happened for the last few years. The last times we saw each other I travelled to them, because it was easier for me. I discovered (from facebook) that they travel to visit each other, but I don’t get invited to come along anymore, which was heartbreaking at first, but I have come to accept that it is the way it is now.
I see their updates on facebook and they have become completely immersed in mothers groups, breast feeding and spend a lot of time with their families and other people with children. That is the stage of life they are at. Unfortunately it doesn’t leave room for me, or our old close friendships.
I think if we lived in the same state it may have been different, but then again perhaps not. One of them came to visit some friends or hers with children who recently moved to the same city as me (which is only a few hour drive from where she lives). She did not tell me she was coming, and when she arrived she sent me a text to ask if I wanted to catch up for a coffee, but I couldn’t as I had already made plans. We had a quick conversation and I came away thinking that she hadn’t really wanted to catch up anyway, it was just that she felt obliged to try because she was in town, because of our history.
As some people have said below, it is time for me to move on and make new friends. They have now become acquaintances, not best friends.
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I haven’t read any of the other comments yet, so apologies if this is repetitive, but… get new friends.
Signed
Lisa, (lover of S&TC, Girls’ Nights Out, Girls’ Nights In, and most especially Girls’ Weekends Away.) Mum to 3 kids
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I find your friends’ attitudes puzzling. I am a mother of two adorable children. They are only one but when they are a bit older, I would absolutely like to go away without them from time to time. I guess it’s just the fact that something has to give and if you work, have children and want to spend some quality time with your husband, there’s not a lot of time leftover. In principle I would be totally up for it but I would want to make the quality family time and the romantic weekend away with my husband happen first.
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Well, I don’t know what sort of friends you have but I wouldn’t take them as typical of all mums! You need a control group I think…
My friends and I regularly go on winery tours and to the local races and holidays in dodgy Victorian caravan parks (we can’t afford Bali) where even more wine is consumed.
Girls weekends are essential for a healthy soul, and it should be mandatory at least once a year.
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You need new friends, my girlfriends and I have 16 kids between us and have a great night away on e a year, and I’ve also started Surf Angels where we take women away for a whole week ‘God forbid!’ to surf and do yoga and both Mums and singles mix beautifully and rejoice in each others wisdom and stories, it’s the sisterhood.
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Yeah, I wouldn’t want to go on a holiday with a friend who put conditions or expectations like that on me.
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Hear F***ing Hear! I truly want to applaud you Ev as you have taken the words right out of my head and writ them perfectly.
http://www.boughtbybirdette.com
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I think if the friends are important to you, you will do your best to make it happen….not that it’s always easy….. I am heading off to the sunshine coast on Friday( yippee) with 4 great girlfriends, the 5th couldn’t make it this time and thats ok.
We have figured out that over 15yrs of friendship we can’t always all be together at the same time.
We are all at different stages in our life which places different demands on us…… our current stages are!!
Birthday Girl…. reason for the weekend away… married 18yrs no children.
Organiser (searcher of lastminute.com and wotif), dress up party Go To!!!! she has a dress up box to die for and we love her for it. Married 27 years, two children 23 and 25.
Our Therapist, ( beautiful caring girl) and lots of fun!!, married 24yrs, 2 boys 17 and 15.
Thoughtful Girl …. who will make sure we have tea and coffee and sugar and butter for our toast, panadol for our (hopefully) hangovers, she will bring candles for our table, bath bombs, and just generally make us all feel loved
1 child 16
No nonsense friend. married 13 yrs, two children (can’t make it this time:), we will miss her.
And me…. married 21yrs 2 kids 17 and 5, who knows this weekend will feed my soul…
So excited to be spending time with this gorgeous group of very different woman, who all have demanding careers in nursing, mental health, childcare, teaching and airlines.
We have discovered over the years that if we wait untill all 6 can make it we would only see each other about twice a year….that just wasn’t good enough, so now we have a lunch/dinner ( as in lunch often runs into dinner) date every 3 months and whoever can make it that day comes, we always set the next date before we leave each other.
We will hit the sunshine coast this weekend and catch up with everything that has been happening in our lives since our last date, celebrate the birthday of one of our gorgeous girls, we may get out of our pyjamas…then again maybe not…. we will eat well, drink wine, laugh and probably cry some too…
Can’t wait
)))
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Me too, see you Friday
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OMG my mothers group just went to Bali for 4 nights and have had several small getaways!! Any excuse I say!! I love my kiddies but it’s nice to get away for a night or 2 and be able to hold a full conversation without being interrupted by the precious little children
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What a great idea!!
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Unfortunately I think you have a slightly un-fun group of friends! I’m quite shocked that they baulked at the idea of weekends away BEFORE they had kids… that seems weird.
Me, I love a weekend/night/day/hour away from the family so I would also feel put out by your bunch of friends.
Friendships are going to change throughout the years though, most them anyway. It’s not all going to bad changes, but changes all the same.
When your bestie gets a boyfriend and you are still single or vice versa.
When one of you is studying really hard and has little time for anything else.
When one of you is saving really hard for something and doesn’t have the cash to splash on something you want to do.
When one of you gets a high-pressured or shift-working job.
When one of you travels a lot.
When one of you has an ailing family member to care for.
When one of you has a baby.
It’s a shame that the friendships with your friends who are now parents seems to have such negative experiences. I’ve been on both sides of table. The last one in one group of friends to have a baby, and the first in another group to have one.
When I was baby-less I just loved seeing my friends embark on motherhood and watching their children grow. Sure, it changed our friendship in some ways. I wasn’t part of a lot of the conversations they had, our priorities were certainly different. But, I just, you know, accepted that their life had gone through a massive change that I didn’t know much about and if our friendship was strong enough, it would survive the changes!
And people approach parenting differently as well. That is what is going to make or break some friendships I think. You just need to make up your mind whether you accept your friends for who they are (right here and now) and go from there. It can be frustrating I know. I have loved a night out with the girls from when my children were only a couple of months old. But I have one friend who will not come to a girls dinner because she still feeds her 18 month old to sleep every night. She did it with her first and again now with her second. She just can’t leave them. Now that is completely opposite to me and every now and again I get frustrated by the fact she doesn’t join us for dinner.But at the end of the day, she’s my friend, I love her and I’d miss her if I stopped seeing her altogether.
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Hmmm this article leaves a bad taste in my mouth – so to speak.
Where oh where is her sense of sisterhood??!! Ie noticing others needs before your own.
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Something tells me this article has more to do with the writer and her particular circle of friends as if they were already saying No before kids… um…. maybe that is saying something!
I am a mother of two and I find the opposite issue… that often I would LOVE to be included in stuff but I think my friends often assume I cant or wouldnt want to go when they go out to dinner. When I am actually gagging to get dressed up and out of the house for a gal’s night!!! Yes, a whole weekend away might be more work to organise but I would sure thing give it a go! But coming from the other side, yes of course I am less free and have been able to do less things since the kids came along (though my hubby is great w the kids and very capable of flying solo with them). So, as much as this article is clearly trying to stir up friction, I think both sides (mums/non-mums) need to be understanding and not be afraid to speak up! Eg sometimes ive had to organise stuff myself or just let my friends know – hey id love to come next time! while I know they are also very patient when i cant do things or accomodate me around kids feeding/sleeping, etc. It cuts both ways but true friends can make it work!!
To be honest, I love (and neeeeeeed) both types of friends – my mummy friends to talk for hours about all the kiddy/mummy stuff, and my non-mummy friends bc they are the ones who can just Go and DO kid-free stuff without heaps of planning or hassle. I like it both ways
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most of my gf’s who live here in perth are all mum’s and im the only without a child (married tho) and i can say that children def do not get in the way of our girls nights out! we plan usually every couple of months for a night out
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Hmmmm….. are you generalising here? Or dare I suggest perhaps your idea of fun and their idea of fun no longer converge? I think only when you become a parent you will understand the complexities. I have three children and returned 3 days a go from an art retreat – not without guilty moments in the lead up. Its just life. If you are super keen to continue said friendship(s) maybe you need to persevere – like any relationship input waxes and wanes and sometimes you have to give and give and give. If you want to. Maybe a monthly coffee catch up – or something more aligned to what suits your friends and if not – que sera sera.
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I hear ya.. I am 31 and have several girlfriends who have children or are in the process (ie. pregnant) and recently I am quite annoyed at the fact that they don’t seem to have ANY time and constantly ignore invitations and are impossible to catch up with – even for coffee etc. One of them I haven’t even seen for her entire pregnancy – numerous refusals to catch up and she expects me to go to her baby shower. Yes I am going because I am excited for her and want to do the right thing, but it seems that marriage and children and all related events are the only ones people make an effort for these days.
I am in a relationship and have lots of things going on in my life and lots of commitments, but it’s a shame when the girls can’t let go of some of their responsibilities and just get away. It’s not just the ones with kids either I might add, technology has made it waaaaaay too easy to turn down invitations for silly reasons such as “im tired” or “i’ve had a busy week”. It’s just sad it’s getting so hard to see people..
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I love this article… I am in my early 20s and whilst none of my friends have children, a lot are very dedicated to their partners. Some I’m sure will be together forever, others will not, and sometimes you begin to question whether you even have a role in their lives anymore. One dinner invitation declined – that’s ok. Two – maybe something’s up. But continually refusals because you’re spending ‘quality time’ with your partner really hurts. The most important point that you make is that everyone has different roles, and I think that having a wonderful relationship with everyone in your life is crucial. Plus, I love the idea of a girl’s weekend… Beach, bar and wine.. here I come!
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I hear you. Surgically attached couples are nauseating.
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maybe it comes down to a cost thing? Kids are bloody expensive and spending a couple of $100 might seem like too much of a luxury once kids come along? Just a thought.
I’m pregnant at the moment and already feel a bit of a distance with my single, childless friends. I’m sure that will pass though… hopefully! I think we are all just caught up in our different stages of life.
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Oh my goodness, what planet are these chickadees on?
This motherhood caper has seen my annual girls’ weekend and monthly girls’ nights upgraded to Basic Needs Status.
I’ve lost my body, and some would say my mind. I’ve lost various autonomies and freedoms. Personal time, couple time. My economic independence and ability to increase my earning capacity is compromised. Um no, I won’t be giving up my mates as well thanks very much.
I can’t argue it’s not challenging when they’re tiny and / or breastfeeding but after that… see ya!
SAHM of 3
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Sausage rolls on the couch? Simpsons reruns? Having you been spying on my husband Ev?
I used to go on yoga retreats once or twice a year, two nights, bliss. Hubby loved being left alone with the kids – he got to prove he could do it and the kids would be so excited knowing it was a weekend of dim sims for dinner and Star Wars marathons (I’m still trying to explain the concept of “when dad says you can do something I wouldn’t, don’t dob him in”). I’d come back with my batteries recharged and that smug satisfaction of seeing how exhausted he was
Alas, my studio stopped running the retreats and it turns out none of my friends are up for the idea of even a night away. I am willing to make new (more!) friends…
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I am going to class myself as a almost mum (pregnant with my first) but I can already tell you I know I will definitely not be giving up on our girls weekends when my long await for bundle of joy arrives in a few months.
My closest 5 friends and I have been doing girls weekends ever since finishing uni nearly 10 years ago. The venue changes (usually it’s a wine weekend in The Hunter) but we’ve also done Sydney trips and rotating visiting each other (we live all over the State). Between hens weekends, the annual wine tour and weddings we end up doing about 4 trips a year together and they are the highlight of my year. Only one of my friends has a bub so far and yes she has been on every trip with us since. She is now pregnant with her second and me my first and we’ve already locked in two more weekends before we both pop because then we kind of plan to settle down for a while.
My friends and I are obviously very close (and very understanding) as when it came to the first weekend away after baby number 1 was born two years ago, it wasn’t an issue of if, but when the trip would be. We just waited until my girlfriend was ready – and it was her that initiated it, so I imagine it will be the same for all of us now as we all start planning families (4 out of 6 are married – the other 2 with long term partners). We’ll just wait until the latest mum or mums are ready and then wine region here we come! Whatever happens though I know these trips will happen – they may not be as often but my god will they still be awesome!
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Fantastic subject to explore. Thanks Ev and MM. You’ve tapped into exactly the thoughts rolling around in my head.
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I’ve got kids and getting some of my parent friends to do something child-free is quite challenging. Others not so much.
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No way! For realsies? Did they undferstand it was only for one night? A whole weekend might be hard but ONE NIGHT?
Dudette, the millisecond Babybird is weaned, I will be THERE! In fact I might start planning it now, he’s nearly 5 months old, only 8 months or so to go…
I know a chick who goes to Bali with her girlfriends, without their families, every year. She’s a SAHM mum and when her husband grumbled about the cost, she got a job stacking shelves at Woolies to pay for it. I say GO GIRLS. In fact, I might gatecrash HER party…
As to friendships between childed and childfree chicks – my very best friend is a fabulous singleton and we still see each other every single weekend without fail. if she’s off being glamorous somewhere in the evening, she comes during the day time and brings me take away coffee. If she’s got a rare free Saturday night she either comes and has dinner with us and we drink red wine and play games, or she looks after the sleeping baby while we have a date night.
It all comes down to attitude and of course, the love. We haz it.
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I have a great friend circle who love their husbands (most of the time), are devoted mothers (but not perfect) and all have good and busy jobs. We have always understood the importance of making time for each other to have regular girl dates in amongst the hectic family calendar. When the kids were younger we would book in a girlie lunch or a few hours to have a coffee or wine together. Sometimes we had to go with a majority vote on the time and place instead of waiting for when everyone was available. These days we all have independant teenagers living in the house. Which means more free time for us! Nights away, full day trips and breakfasts that start at 8am and turn into dinner have been the norm in the past few years. If you love them then don’t give up, just try and have get togethers that they can commit to without feeling guilty that they are skipping out on their families for too long and I promise that before long your times together will evolve into bigger, better and longer as their children start finding their own lives. The stage of new found independance comes swiftly and they’ll need their good buddies to hang out with.
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I felt so sad reading this. My best friend had her first baby 12 months ago, 11 years and 3 children after me.
She and I always make time for each other and have a weekend away (usually) once a year. Sometimes it is just a night staying in Melbourne, sometimes a weekend in the country, once we went interstate for a few days after I finished breastfeeding number 3. My husband was actually the one that suggested the last one!
It always gives me the opportunity to have that 1:1 time with her and have a small break from the hectic life of a mum which I do actually enjoy but always feel I am better at when I get a little bit of time to just be me for a while and not someone’s wife or mother which seems to end up defining your life sometimes. She was always wonderfully flexible in where we went and what we did as she had a lot less commitments than I did.
I saw her on the weekend to celebrate her baby’s 1st birthday and we have just locked a night in the city for next month. We will stay in a hotel, go out for dinner, possibly a movie, and just catch up with no kids, no husbands and get a chance to talk about the things that sometimes we don’t get to in a catch up for dinner with others.
My youngest is almost at school so now I give her the flexibility and choice but also understand that she needs it as much as I do. We are both lucky to have husbands who encourage us. They do not see it as a problem or that they are ‘babysitting’ their kids. Neither of them actually have boys weekends even though we encourage them.
I cherish this time with my friend and cannot wait for our next adventure, even if these days we tend to be tucked into bed early, rather than partying the night away. The upside is that instead of a hangover, we head out for breakfast and some shopping instead! Ikea, here we come…
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I’ve never really been into the whole “girl’s weekend” concept anyway. I don’t have kids and still probably wouldn’t agree to a weekend away with my friends… I’d far prefer the much cheaper and practical option of lunch or dinner with the girls and then sleeping in my own bed and dealing with my hangover at home alone the next day.
As for friendships post-children, I’ve obviously been lucky with my friends as the relationships haven’t really changed for me. We do tend to do more brunches and coffees than bars and boozey dinners with my friends who are parents these days but we still manage to catch up a lot, have a lot of fun and I actually really like all my friends kids so am happy when they can come along too.
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I am totally open to a weekend away and leaving my son with my husband. My husband would love it too. Luckily we are in a position financially where we could afford to do that. I have a friend who has a daughter who can’t afford to go away regularly and simply isn’t able to go for girls weekends no matter how open she is to it. Also, if she was going to take a weekend away, she’d want to do so with her husband, so they could spend some time together. I think its important to remember things like that as well. Matters like these don’t always come down to children being the priority, sometimes, its just not possible to do what we want.
On the parent side of things, I find it a little upsetting that some of my friends don’t seem to understand that I just can’t do things like I used to anymore. Sometimes, dinner for a few hours every couple of months is all I can do because I have so much on and I’m just really really tired.
I had arranged for dinner with some friends at a restaurant this weekend, and after dinner, one of the friends wanted to go dancing. When I explained that I just wasn’t up to it, and would actually need to head home shortly, I got this look like I had ruined her entire evening. I’ve lost track of the times I’ve explained that no matter what time I get home or how much sleep I get, I’m up at 6 and have to be alert and functioning the next day so I just can’t stay out until 3am anymore.
It wouldn’t hurt for those friends who don’t have children to try to understand that when I go out for dinner with them, I making sure I spend time with them, time that I could spend with my husband, who I don’t get to spend as much quality time with as I would like. It’s also time that I could use to get some much needed sleep but choose them over myself.
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This is spot on and what I was thinking.
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I don’t have kids but can understand this… have a pretty demanding career that means I am pretty knackered most of the time and need early nights (even on weekends) a lot of the time too…. my friends who are less career-oriented also give me the ‘look’ when I beg off early.
I hate it. I think some people just lack empathy.
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That’s exactly it Jules – it’s not about kids vs not-kids so much as being understanding of other people’s priorities, be that an early workout, meeting or the 5 am feed.
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I agree with you, in all the points you made here. I too have been given the dirty looks after turning down suggestions of clubbing, drinking, late nights too far away.. I am a single parent and the spare time I do have I love spending with my partner, as we do not live together so I see him about twice a week, if I am lucky.
My friends are young, from between 20-25 and they do not have children, and most are single. I love them to bits but cannot help but feel so so guilty when I say no to events that aren’t child friendly. Most of the time they are understanding but sometimes they play the guilt trip a little bit.
This is life I guess and we are always constantly trying to find our balance. I guess we should be lucky to have frineds and families in the first place, who care about us and want to spend time with us
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This is such a good point. I imagine it is hard to fathom if you do not have children how much money they cost you. Even if you are on a good wage you have to shell out a small fortune in childcare fees and that doesn’t even take into consideration how much you physically have to spend on them. When you have to scrimp and save to go away as a family or with your partner (if indeed you are lucky enough to do this at all) it seems the height of selfishness for one partner to spend a heap of money for just them to go away (regardless of whether they are the father or the mother).
The other factor is when you have young children you are just so unbelievably tired (you simply cannot fathom it before you have children) and the most exciting thing you can think to do if you are child free is enjoy some undisturbed sleep (I know sad but true). Not to mention organising to go away requires so much more planning when you are a parent even with a partner who is supportive and happy to do their share.
From a personal perspective I also felt so much guilt about leaving my child through the week while I worked that I simply couldn’t imagine giving up a weekend with them as this would just pour on more guilt. I know this is not particularly rational but motherhood guilt is not rational. Likewise, you don’t get to spend much quality time with your partner so again this seems like taking that time away.
I think that when women become mothers they tend to spend more time with their friends who are mothers not because they like them more or necessarily feel they have more in common with them it is that other mothers tend to plan social activities that are family friendly. The guilt factor is completely reduced when your social outing is a family barbecue or a morning tea at a play centre where the children are also socialising and having fun.
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It’s funny you mention the not being able to stay up so late aspect. I distinctly remember when I was the only one in a particular group of friends who didn’t have a baby and we would all catch up for dinners etc… and the mums of babies would start looking wearing during the evening and then announce they had to go home to bed to be ready for the next day. I remember thinking ‘gosh, you don’t even have to go into work or anything, how great to stay home all day etc…’ Now, I wasn’t thinking that nastily, it’s just that I had no idea. I din’t know what I didn’t know. And then when I became a mum, boy did I realise how much earlier in the evening I got tired and how much harder the mornings were, despite not having to race off to the office!
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wow, I’m about to have my first baby… this article is quite depressing. How about a night out? or a day spa? or just a planned coffee once a month? Does it have to be a weekend away? What if one of your single childless friends lost their job and didn’t have the money to go away? Would you still be cut about them not contemplating a weekend away?
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Don’t worry honey, I reckon the author just doesn’t have very fun friends, it’s not been like that for me, my girls and I are closer than ever, including my childless girls xx
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I’m in my early 30s so a lot of my friends have been producing offspring over the last few years. In my experience there are two reactions. Kids become part of their life or kids become their life.
Thankfully most of my girlfriends are in the first camp. Sure when we plan catch ups etc they may have to negotiate with their husbands about who is minding the kids or organise a baby sitter and now we often meet for brunch instead of drinks because it fits in better with their kids sleeping times, but essentially nothing has changed.
However there are a few who if everything is not centered around their child will not go out or do anything. They have generally found themselves a new set of friends through their mothers groups but I’m sorry to see them go. I will make every effort to visit them and have their kids to my house etc but if they make no effort in return, well friendships tend to wither.
In general however, I feel lucky that even though I don’t have kids, I still have my gorgeous girlfriends and I get to have the fun of watching their children growing up.
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I would love to have a weekend away with my girlfriends without our kids and hubbies, including my friends without kids! My issue is not that I don’t want to leave my kids, it’s that my hubby freaks out whenever I mention leaving him at home alone with the kids for more than one night. He doesn’t think he would cope and as I live in Tassie and my friends all live in Sydney, I couldn’t justify going all the way to Sydney for just one night. I am sad and my friendships have suffered but what can I do – being sorry doesn’t really cut it for my friends who don’t have this issue as they just don’t understand…
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Friendships after children. Is it possible?
Are you saying that your girlfriends not going away for the weekend with you means you can’t be friends anymore? Surely you can still see each other in other situations.
I’ll admit, it’s super hard for my best friend and I to get togther now she has 2 children. Living an hour away from each other doesn’t help, but was easy pre-kidlets. But we are still friends, yes we have different lives and priorities but always make as much time for each other as possible. Just because we can’t go away together or have nights out doesn’t mean we can’t be friends
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Good article, but as a mother of 2 kids and the 3rd due in July I’d like to say that I’m personally more than willing to have an annual trip away with friends and NO kids or partners! Being the first of our group to have kids I was more hurt and dismayed that friends stopped inviting me places on the assumption that I wouldn’t want to go because I was pregnant/had a baby. Other than family out friendships should be the longest lasting in our lives and need work and consideration from all involved. Don’t give up on your friend just because she has a baby, she really does still need girl time!
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Its not just about time or willingness, it’s about money and practicality too.
Speaking for myself, I always enjoy getting away without the kids for a couple of nights with my partner. Recently I’ve even thought about a solo weekend in Sydney (despite hating it) just so I can enjoy my own company ate few exhibitions.
Many women may have partners that are more than capable of looking after the kids, but that is ALL they will do. No tidying, cleaning, washing up etc. so when the woman gets home, all those delights await! It takes 2 days to catch up from the couple of nights away. For some women it’s not worth it!
Then there’s money. Probably something that not many people will admit, even to close friends. Money does get tighter post children, it’s just a fact. For some, many perhaps, finding the $150/200 for that night/s away simply isn’t possible, especially if there’s a bill due!
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As a Mum of three, I would have jumped at your proposal of a girl’s weekend away. Yes please!
My husband and I were the first in our groups of friends to start having children, and consequently our circle of friends has shrunk somewhat. I think you underestimate the intensity of the early years of parenting. As a parent, sometimes it feels as though we have taken a huge breath, dived right in, and are still waiting to come up for air. I don’t think the responsibility of maintaining friendships lies solely with the friends-who-are-parents – the friends we still have are the ones who were willing to meet us half way: if we couldn’t get away to meet them without kids, they came to us and accepted our busy, noisy, messy way of life, and even joined in to help! The friends we still have also accepted that sometimes, children do have to come first, but that we would make it up to them with a child-free catch-up soon. So, while indeed we have lost some friends along the way, which is sad, the ones we still have are definitely of the friends-for-life variety, because they didn’t leave all of the effort up to us, and waited patiently as we tried to work out what this parenting gig was all about and how we could possibly fit anything else into our new schedule. We did figure it out eventually.
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Everytime a friend announces their pregnancy, I say a quiet goodbye as their prioties change, so does the friendship.
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Sassy_lou – that’s just sad. Suck it up and be a real friend and show your love and support. You’re going to need it in return one day (whether it’s when you have kids yourself or simply find yourself in need of a true friend) and you’ll look around to find no one is there to help because you have turned your back on everyone.
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That comment made me really sad. I have a 15 month year old daughter and feel like all of my friends who don’t have kids have dumped me since I’ve had her. At a time when I’ve really needed my friends more than ever!
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I know how you feel, my friends made so many promises when I was pregnant, but since they have all been broken and all I can hear is crickets. Now my daughter is in kinder I am slowly making more friends I have things in common with, but I really miss the girls who knew me prior to kids. The effort I put in when I do see my old friends never seems to be reciprocated and financially with kids and a mortgage I just cannot justify spending the same kind of $$ on a night out that my mostly mortgage free, childfree friends can.
Just keep on going, it gets easier
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“Suck it up and be a real friend and show your love and support. ”
What makes you think she is the one turning her back on her friends, rather than the other way round?
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It’s sad but as a single gal it’s very true!
Talk of drinks, food, work and social lives go out the window and you’re stuck listening to details of their childrens bowel movements (that’s if they ever answer their phone again).
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It is true. It’s not that you aren’t happy for your friends, but things do change, no matter how much you think they won’t.
I have 5 close friends that have had or are having babies this year, and it can make you lonely if they were the people you went out with. Suddenly your social circle shrinks.
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I am currently childless and recently returned from a girls weekend where there were a couple of pregnant ladies, and mums with kids etc. We do have a tight knit circle and love the chance to spend time together, preferably without the kidlets. Before marriage and babies we regularly had girls weekends away. Sure, the advent of babies might have lessened the opportunities but we still make an effort.
If your mates didn’t want to go away before kids, of course they won’t afterwards.
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I think that if you want to stay friends with someone for the long haul, you have to be flexible Because life circumstances change and you need to adapt. As long as your friends are giving you some headspace, I would adapt to what they want to do. Because I think the point of friendship is the relationship, not the drinks or the nights away. Sometimes everyone can’t do that (children, money, work, tiredness) but if you maintain the relationship then the glam things will come back!
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In my circle, things lean the other way. There are lots of just-girls get-togethers – if not that much actual time away ($$$) – and it’s the partners that start to feel a little left out get-togethers-wise.
That said, I think a lot of parents do want holiday/weekend time with their kids so that they get some non-nagging/organising time to interact with them. Given the choice between a weekend away doing that (weekend time can be precious and hard to snatch) or doing a girls weekend away the family might win. Or the partner – when there are kids in the equation, it sometimes feels impossible to get a second to oneself, let alone 5 minutes straight without exhaustion/chores in the mix, with your partner. So maybe a partner weekend would come before a girls weekend – and maybe neither happen with much frequency for lots of couples.
Cherish the one-nighters with just the women friends, I say, and leave the longer times for when the kids are older. Or maybe, offer to have the kids for a few weekends, then cash in on a girls weekend away
I think real friendships can withstand these tests. That’s why we need friends and connections at all different stages of life and availability, or take the availability in the form it’s in – two hours here and there, adding up, not entire big chunks away.
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