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Rebecca Sparrow

 

 

 

 

By REBECCA SPARROW.

It’s a jarring headline, I know.

When I saw an article on Jezebel recently entitled ‘How to bitch about having kids (without seeming like a total dick)‘ – I felt a mixture of horror and disdain. Good parents don’t bitch about their kids! Right? RIGHT?

And I sat there all indignant right up until Ava walked past and told my husband that I’d eaten his chocolate in the fridge.

Thank you, Dobby McDoberson.

Yep. I’d just bitched about my daughter to myself. In my own head. (And, now that I think about it, I’ve just sledged my three-year-old online). Not that I’d call it bitching. More venting.  Whinging.

And how could I not?  I live with a three-year-old.  Just today she had a Jennifer Lopez sized meltdown because I asked her to eat a fish finger that SHE ASKED FOR. (‘It’s too bumpy!’ she screamed at me in a rage more suited to, I don’t know, say Pol Pot.)

On days like that I don’t so much as bitch about my daughter as text my friends with the words, “Bring me scotch,” or “I now know what it’s like to work for LaToya Jackson,”  or  the somewhat more succinct “She’s three but I think she could take me.”

And I know I’m not alone. Even those paragons of parental goodness Mike and Carol Brady were guilty of it. They couldn’t get Greg out of the house fast enough to stick the knife into him when he was giving everyone the shits with his “I’m Johnny Bravo” routine. (Dude, it’s only because you fit the suit and frankly you have the guitar playing skills of a ham-fisted orangutan.)

We’ve often debated here whether or not parenting is hard.  Personally, I think that depends on your individual circumstances.  For me parenting isn’t hard but it is frustrating, challenging and mind-numbingly boring at times.  And being able to joke with a friend about how you’d rather eat a box of hair then negotiate with the verbal-terrorist you live with helps you find the humour in the situation. Or at the very least stops you from cracking open a Guava Bacardi Breezer before 10am.

Anyway … back to the ‘How to bitch about having kids (without seeming like a total dick)’ article on Jezebel. In the end,  I couldn’t help but click. Here are their tips on how to complain about your kids without looking like a complete tosser.

Apparently, the first step is to choose the right person to whinge to…

If the person is single and child-free, forget it. Pack it up. Shut it down. Move it on. No sympathy here. Even though they are working on a Tumblr about how hard it is to be both alive and pretty simultaneously while in your 20s, your whines will only sound like the whir of a vintage Mac slowing down their Pinterest page devoted to vintage beauty oddities. And hell, on the off chance one of them is interested in your foreign-sounding hot probs, you’ll have to spend so much time explaining the concept of willingly staying home on Saturday nights that it won’t be worth the kind nod.

If they have the same number of kids as you: Game on. Dive in, relishing that this is one hole that goes very, very deep. Also known as your complaining soulmate, you can hit all the high points with virtually no introductory foreplay here, and to your heart’s content: Explosive diarrhea, nightmarish sleep training, eye-bleeding lack of sleep, the fog — dear God, the fog. Don’t abuse it, but feel free to use it, amirite?

If they have more kids than you, shut it down. Nod and smile. They may as well be child-free for all the sympathy you’re gonna get here. They can give YOU great advice, but your complaining is the sonic equivalent of a rich kid instagram.

Now that you know who to talk to, you should still pay heed to how to dish on the dirt of childrearing.

 

You can read their full post here.

Let’s not say bitch.  Bitch sounds harsh. Let’s say vent.  How do you vent about your kids?  What did you vent about recently? And have you ever vented to the wrong person?

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160 Comments so far

  1. Caroline A

    I am careful how much I complain as i like to think I am able to use perspective to cope with the everyday challenges my 2 kids (soon to be 3 this Tuesday!) give me. They drive me to frustration many days but I just think about how much worse I could be off (eg no money, no home, no food). I still complain but normally finish it up with a “well this is what I signed up for”.

    The gem from my 5 yo last week was when I overheard him playing on his “mobile phone” saying “hello? Police? Hurry, come quick, my mum keeps saying no to everything!!”

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  2. Rushdie

    My little one says ‘it’s too fluffy’ it’s toast – how can toast be fluffy !!!!

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  3. Perthgirl

    Totally agree. I would really hate it if my good friends were walking on eggshells around me, unsure what to say….I would like to think that my crew and I would change the subject sensitively if the talk topic was too much to take…eg. One of my kids has multiple learning and attentional disabilities. I would hate not to hear about how my friends kids are going in school, just cause they thought it might upset me??? Be real people.

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  4. Anonymous

    Fine but you should put some thought into who you’re venting to. I’ve had 13 miscarriages & been trying for 10 years to carry a baby to term, so no I really don’t give two shits if your kids are giving you the craps on any particular day. Sorry but hey sometimes you just need to be more selective who you bitch to.

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    • Moi

      I’m sorry you have gone through this…I’ve had 3 and it’s no fun. XX

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    • Doesn't matter

      Irrespective of the process to having a child or children……. no-one is immune or unentitled to have challenging days with their children and being able to vocalise that without being made to feel ungrateful to be in that position.

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      • Sarah

        Really sorry to hear that and could not imagine how devastating it must be. The only thing though is sometimes its not always about you. Sometimes irrespective on people’s issues in life you want a few minutes of the conversation to be about ‘my 3 year old keeps throwing ‘insert whatever object you like, usually toys, shoes, cardboard box’ at me whilst the 6 year old is screaming her head off and freaking out because she loss a lip balm in her bedroom. Try explaining its not lost only misplaced as it can only be in the bedroom to a high pitched screamer’.
        Just to let off a bit of steam and to see the funny side of how ridiculous life can be with kids.
        It would be nice if a bit if thought could be put towards us ‘whingers’ at those times to feel that we can be allowed to speak without having to take in everyone’s situation before we sprout off about the latest antics from the kids. Last good one from yesterday was 3 year old saying “I see flames” whilst pointing at USB port in side of laptop with mini screwdriver in hand. “and smoke”. Who could resist whinging about that gem. Btw laptop ports stopped working.

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    • Harold

      Oh that’s so sad anonymous I do feel for you. But however much children are a joy they are certainly not always sweetness and light, and you can’t love them properly if you don’t own the frustration as well as the delight.

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  5. Mum of two cheeky monkeys

    My 3 year old is an absolute riot. I do sometimes need to have a bit of a whine to my husband, because he can be quite a challenge, but mostly he cracks me up. This weeks comments that made me laugh have ranged from “mummy why does everyone slow down at the orange light but grandad speeds up?” to “oh mummy I’ve tried so hard to be good this week.dont you think I deserve a treat?” and the ever amusing “no I can’t hear you mummy. I only speak Spanish now!” Hence the two cheeky monkeys moniker. And my little girl is a gem. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a whine once in a while, (or a wine depending on how hard the day was!) because we all get a good laugh out of our kids from time to time too!

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  6. JustJayne

    This article is so well-timed! The text I sent last night to my ‘select’ group of girlfriends was: “Is it wrong to want your husband to come home just so you can open the wine? I have decided that school was invented to separate siblings form each other and therefore prevent murder”. I’ve been house-bound with an infectious 8 year old who can’t go to school for 10 days and a ‘gorgeous when he’s sleeping’ 2 year old. It’s not impossible, it’s not something I can’t handle and it’s nowhere near what others live every day. But if sending a funny, silly text to an understanding group of friends means that I have one more smidgeon of patience for bathtime, that’s got to be a good thing.

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  7. snoozymum

    I work in a discipline where there are virtually no other parents (apart from men whose wives are at home caring for the children)(seriously). As the only mother of a child under 18 (mine is 4) I have learned that never, never, never should I mention topics like sleep deprivation, childcare shortage (I also live in a rural area – childcare = gold), miscarriage (I lost 3 little ones while in this position and work colleagues were just kind of… uncomfortable about it all) etc etc etc. All I can say is thank you to the online community of mamamia… ’cause without you, I reckon I’d be stuffed. Oh all right. Not literally. But ya know.. I loves ya!

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  8. Dan

    I absolutely vent about my kids! It’s like any other problem, sometimes just talking about it with someone puts it all in perspective and makes it more manageable.

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  9. Sienna

    Most of the commenters on this post have very young kids. Wait till you have teenagers then you’ll really have something to bitch about!

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    • becsparrow

      LOL!

      I’m scared!

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      • mc

        Oh Bec, I am raising three girls – my husband and are petrified of the teenage years.

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  10. StepUpToIt

    try being another type of parent: a step mum! No one, other than other step parents, really want to hear you complain about it at all…

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    • Sienna

      Some of us would listen. I think it would be much worse to be a step-mum of brats than to be their mum! lol

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      • miller

        Particularly when the ‘brat’ is 18 and lives with you – ooh boy, there is no step parent’s manual for that one. Most of the time you can’t even complain to the bio Dad. Lots of wonderful arguments happen in my head :-)

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    • Mia

      I never thought of that!

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    • MissT

      Fellow step mum here and a-f*cking-men!! I know, I know, swearing but by God it needs it.

      I actually wrote an article about being a Step Mum (the TRUTH) and the amount of responses of “I’d never even thought about it” both surprised and encouraged me.

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    • Anonymous

      I hear you. I am a step and bio mum and the difference in whine rules is remarkable. Other step parents are your only outlet. And if you don’t know any… You’re on your own sunshine.

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    • Jade

      Agree entirely. I feel that as a stepmum, I’m not taking seriously either by ‘actual’ parents, or those without kids. Definitely frustrating!

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  11. kateb

    I had a child who was diagnosed as ADHD ( I even had private testing done which cost me a week’s wage, to make sure this was correct). One parent teacher night I had a little gathering of parents with ADHD children and discussing the various strategies they could use, when a parent who had a child dying of muscular dystrophy walked past and told us how much she sympathised with anyone trying to deal with a disruptive child.

    She was being very honest,( i knew this because I worked with her with her son) but it made the rest of us feel very uncomfortable and realise that there are depths of distress.

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    • my thoughts

      A friend once told me – there is always someone worse off or better off than you but it doesn’t invalidate your experience. She has a 5 year old son and due to health issues he was born with most likely will not make it to his teens. She amazes me with how understanding she is when we complain about our kids driving us crazy.

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  12. Kate Hunter

    In our family, husb heads for the city each day and I work from home. I spend A LOT of time with our kids and by 7pm I’m often sick of the sight of them. Jim, however misses them and last thing he wants to hear is my stories about how horrible / rude/ spoilt/ lazy they are.

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    • HB

      Oh, I hear you Kate! My husband is away 2-5 days a week, and looks at me as if I hate my children when I complain about them…

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  13. G.J.

    I work as a governess on a big old sheep station in a remote part of Australia. I have found that other School of the Air govies understand the various joys and challenges of this job like no one else, so I totally get the advice to “vent” to ppl in similar circumstances. I can see how important it is for parents to talk to other parents.

    On the other hand, I also resent that implication that single childless 20-something’s are useless to talk to about parenting because they’re too busy being pretty and frivolous. My sister asks me for advice about her kids all the time, because she respects my opinion as someone who has worked with kids for several years

    Obviously there is a level of empathy and understanding that a childless person might not have, but it doesn’t mean we’re useless to chat to about kids either.

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  14. Jen

    I have two little ones, 14 months apart, and at 2 & 3.5 I must admit they give me, Dad & Grandma (who minds them two days a week while we’re at work) a good run for our money.

    Before I had kids I totally would have pegged me for being a stressed parent that would loose my cool every now and then. I’ve always been a very focused and determined person, and not shy of having a major bitch to my friends/sisters if something ticked me off. And yet, when I had my kids that part of me just seemed to… not disappear, but fade away a bit.

    Let me make it clear – I in no way judge other Mums (or Dad’s) for having a bitch/vent whatever you want to call it about the perils and frustrations of parenting. It’s a bloody hard job and if having a bitch about it to a close friend or someone who understands relieves some of that frustration and gets you smiling again, all power to you.

    But… I don’t know. They’re your kids. It’s not your job, or your friends, or public transport, or the reserve bank! All of those things are totally bitch-worthy. But when it’s your kids I think you need to be really careful. My kids pick up so much more then I realise (lord please help me stop swearing in front of them) and they are so sensitive to everything I do. The other night I was super tired and it had been a rushed day and after having taken 30mins to make them their favourite dinner they both refused to eat it. And even though I didn’t say anything at all (and no adult was around to share my frustrations with) I was shocked when my son came up to me and said “Are you okay Mummy? Is Mummy sad? I eat my dinner now. I be a good boy.”! He’s 3!!!! He could just tell by the sudden change in my mood.

    Anyway, I just mean a tongue in cheek joke between adults to relieve the stress is great. But ‘bitching’ about your kids – whether they can hear you or not – isn’t really cool in my book.

    PS – just one more tidbit and then I’ll shut it, my Mum seldom bitched about me and my sisters when we were little. But as a single Mum she would sometimes tell her sisters-in-law that it was hard. And I swear, for 15 years every single time I saw my aunts they would lecture me about “how hard it was for my Mum” and how I had to be “more helpful, better, not talk back, etc”. It really used to bug me AND my Mum! And I never forgot it either…

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    • Mrs R

      Hi Jen, I don’t mean this to sound harsh but wait til they are a bit older! ;) I vent about my kids a lot more now they are older! There is nothing a love more then catching up with a group of fabulous “mum” friends I have through the school. We all compare stories of what brats our kids are in the morning, how much we have to force them to do homework etc.
      Enjoy your babies while they are innocent and not asking to go to the movies with a boyfriend at 10 yrs old!
      :)

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      • Jen

        No no, not harsh at all :) . I totally agree with you, I’m pretty lucky at the moment but god… just wait until their tweens!!! I’m sure I will eat my words. My poor Mum had three daughters all one year apart and she literally went grey when we hit puberty!

        Like I say, it’s a hard job and we’ve all go to do whatever we can to keep a smile on our face (even when we’re getting weetbix thrown at us!).

        I think it was just the term ‘bitch’ that got me. Vent is fine, bitch just sounds a bit harsh to me. Silly point to make I suppose.

        :)

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        • Rabbit

          Hi Jen – loved your comment. I agree that mothers must be very careful when criticizing their own kids. I also think about my own mother, who raised myself and my sister alone much of the time (my father traveled for months at a time for work). Kids are very perceptive and the feeling of security that she gave me – knowing I could be miserable and she would never say a bad word about me to anyone else – is a wonderful and comforting feeling to have as a child. I’m sure she and my father regularly vented, but it somehow felt better that it was kept in the family. I am trying to follow suite with my children!

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  15. Amy

    Oh bec I just love your posts, you writing is authentic and you just come across as super sweet. I think I have a girl crush. Oh and I just love your top ! X

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    • becsparrow

      Aw, thanks!

      Top was about $30 from Sportsgirl (on the sales rack!)

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  16. amy25

    I had my 3 1/2 yr old yell out in the middle of Big W “You’re not the best Mum in the world….ANYMORE!”. Laughing seemed the more appropriate response rather than curling up in a ball murmuring ‘you are right, you are right’. When my friend (who has kids the same age plus one more) rang and asked how my day was, I told her. She doesn’t judge me, she supports me and I like to think I do the same with her. It’s a special thing to have friends that you can be honest with. No point in sugar coating real life. If my pre-schooler is is testing me, I am gonna need to vent/bitch/cry/laugh and all of the above! I am thankful to have a supportive group of friends who will listen without judgement. I think there are some Mums do bitch, and the rest just wish they had the rights friends to do it with.

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    • Anonymous

      haha, this has brought tears to my eyes laughing. The other day my daughter told me I am NOT invited to her party. Which is not due until next Feb.

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  17. Haven Maven

    My girls are 8, 13 and 20. When they shit me, I just tell them I only had them for blood or spare parts.

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    • chef

      HM, I think you are my favourite person on MM.

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  18. Justforkicks

    Having kids opens a pandora’s box of EXTREME emotions… guilt, fear, heart aching love, frustration, exhaustion just to name a few. Couple that with being at home with a non verbal vomiting, poo producing, dribbling albeit gorgeous sometimes screaming, sometimes smiling, always cheeky baby… no wonder when I manage to get clean (hell dirty) pants on and get our backsides out that door that I seek other sleep deprived like minded people to vent to. That being said, I have my fair share of gloating moments as I absolutely adore that little guy!

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  19. Lola'smummy

    Oh Bec, I hear you! My daughter’s response is usually “that’s too fruity” or “too yummy I don’t want it!” I try to explain that fruity and yummy is a good thing and she asked for it. Sigh….

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    • becsparrow

      Ava’s other favourite is “It’s TOO munchy crunchy!”

      Sometimes I look at her and think, “Who are you? No, really. WHO ARE YOU?”

      LOL!

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      • Cordeline

        I don’t look at my girls and think that. I actually ask them!

        “Excuse me, but who are you and what are you doing in my house?’

        It cracks them up and my 3 year old says ‘Mum! It’s me, Phoebe! I’m your daughter and Immy is your daughter as well!’

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    • Guest

      My boy’s response to food he doesn’t want (but did ask for) is “too big, too scary” or since he doesn’t yet know the difference between can’t and don’t is “I can’t want that”. Of course our response is Yes yes you can want it.

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  20. Lizi

    Not sure why my comment has gone to Spamland. Anyway, just wanted to say that you don’t necessarily have to have gone through the exact experience to be the recipient of a friend’s venting and/or to provide support.

    Recently a friend’s husband committed suicide. Obviously (and thankfully) none of her wide circle of friends had gone through the same experience, but their ability to listen sympathetically and not judge was invaluable to her at a time of grief and bewilderment.

    I’m childless (more or less by choice) but happy to listen to the (often funny) experiences my friends with kids have to share.

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    • Faybian

      I agree. It’s kinda the same with medical issues. I’ve had multiple brain surgeries, which freaks a lot of people out, but I still want to hear others vent about their health issues. It’s not all about me and when they have headaches I can jokingly offer them analgesia.

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  21. Lozcat11

    I could not imagine life with out my little manny (10 months old)…but I could imagine it without the pinching, slapping, hair pulling and the squealing (dear god don’t get me started on the squealing). Luckily I have a wonderful sister with 2 kids and a mothers group with 6 other first time mothers, all with kids the same age. So we can bitch, vent and brag every Wednesday away and all feel like we are not alone in the trials of first time parenting. I think that’s the important part….YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!! There are others out there who understand your need to share the bad as well as the good. Especially after a 2am-3:30am awake session with the hair pulling apple of my eye ;)

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    • Justforkicks

      Love my mother’s group.. our coffee day is Thursdays, so yay tomorrow. I look forward to it all week

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  22. lozzie

    I vent regularly to my friend who has teenagers the same age as mine.

    We vent via work email which means no-one (including my kids) overhears us. We a keep it brief and funny. I have to say it keeps me sane knowing I have a friend going thru the same dramas as I am.

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  23. chillax

    Yes, dont complain about how busy you are to someone who has more children! Especially when its self induced business full of extra activities that are just about competitve parenting and not a necessity!
    From watching friends with more than the average number of kids is they have the luxury of letting go, they dont fill their afternoons every day with crazy activities. Their kids just hang out and enjoy themselves.

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  24. Megan

    Presently, my almost-three-year old is ‘bandaging’ the lounge room furniture with a roll of paper towel, and my seven-month-old is ‘decorating’ the couch with the entire contents of a tissue box. Both are making age-appropriate noises. Loudly. I’m reading these comments and breathing deeply. At least they’re happy. :)

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  25. mumofthree

    I belong to a closed Facebook group for blogger parents of autistic kids. We say things in that group we can’t say anywhere else, even in many cases on our blogs. Parenting ASD kids is bloody hard, and as most parents don’t have kids on the spectrum so can’t comprehend what our days, and nights, are like, we know to keep our most difficult moments contained to the FB group where there will understanding and no judgement.

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    • Cordeline

      That’s great to have a specific group to discuss things. My nephew has an ASD and I know that my sister’s life is very difficult and different to mine. We love chatting about our kids but I am always wary of what I complain about to her as I know that, in most circumstances, it’s nothing compared to her daily challenges.

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    • becsparrow

      Now THAT is brilliant. Such a great way to let off steam in a safe environment of people who ‘get’ it.

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  26. Amelie

    Oh Bec… I snort laughed when I saw this heading on the main page! Love it.

    No children here yet, but I do love the the stories about children who dob their parents in, embarrass them etc. I’m sure when the time comes I’ll be bitching about the fact my kids ate the last of the ice-cream etc hehe.

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  27. Cordeline

    Great article Bec and super-cute photo too!

    My instant response to this as I read the article, has already been mentioned by ‘Dee of Adelaide’ below… my favourite saying in relation to most things is:

    KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE!

    Example: We would desperately love a bigger home (we are bursting at the seams here) but can’t afford it. We have friends who move to a bigger house every 2 years and still complain NO END each time they move. It shits me to tears! They are dear friends so eventually, earlier this year when they moved to their latest huge home and constantly complained about it, I just said it to them ‘Know your audience guys!’ I think they got the message :-)

    I work on the same principal when it comes to venting about my kids! God, if I didn’t vent to my friends (without my kids hearing) who are in similar positions to me, I would have checked out a long time ago. I try to balance it out as well, and tell those same friends about lovely, fun things the kids do.

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    • Sweets

      Yes that is kind of like my rule of: don’t complain that you don’t have enough money to people who earn less than you.

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    • becsparrow

      Thanks Cordy!

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  28. Seahorse

    Great article Bec. Something different!

    ADORE my children, but at 5wks old and 17 months old, and living overseas without help and with my husband currently away… I am in a whole new league of sleep deprivation. I have to say I’m struggling to dig down for support of friends with one (older) baby who are sh*tty I won’t join then for Pilates. Omfg.

    I have to say friends with more than one kid have been bloody amazing and I’d be completely stuffed without them. I figure everyone else might get their turn eventually and I can support them then even if they don’t get where I’m at right now. I constantly feel guilty for not understanding what it was like for those mates who did this before me. Great reminder to take a few mins to walk a mile in the shoes of someone in a v different situation.

    Also I have just subscribed to The Honest Toddler and laughing at that during night feeds has been AWESOME. Being funny is the perfect way to vent about your kids!!!

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  29. Another scotch lover

    I can’t tell you how many times a glass (or two) of JW Black have helped me little angels appear just a tad more angelic.

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  30. Kate

    Also pack it in if the person you’re venting to has a child with a disability and your gripe is about something their child cannot do. I wish my son would ask endless questions- it would mean he could talk, and have the cognitive ability to wonder how things work. I wish my child had endless play dates or sporting activities- it would mean he had friends and was capable of playing sport. Just a couple of examples. : )

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    • Luc

      Absolutely. There is some awesome stuff on the website “The Mummy Weekly” about kids with disabilities. One of the authors is a child development expert and the mum of a child with special needs.

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      • Kate

        Thanks! Will check it out. I’m a bit of an autism blog junkie already!

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  31. Anonymous

    I would love to read an updated interview with Jacinta and see if she still finds motherhood easy.

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    • Anonymous

      Why?

      Because your hoping she is struggling?

      I know parents who ahve one child and find it hard, but have met a few with several and find it easy!

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      • Anonymous

        I do not hope she is struggling! I am curious. I had two miscarriages prior to my first child and I love and value being a mother. I have four children – one is very easy, one has difficulties and the other two have had easy and hard stages.

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    • becsparrow

      Actually Jacinta did write a follow up post when she had her second baby last year. I’ll see if I can find the link because we posted it here on the site.

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  32. Megan

    Oh lord I agree

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  33. Deanna

    If its been a really bad tanty, I just tell people how it was. The way the conversation usually starts anyway is “You look tired” or “How was he last night?” so I just tell the truth. My 2yo woke up at 4am this morning and decided it was play time. When he was told that it was not playtime and that he had to either lie in bed and watch a movie with mummy and daddy or go back to bed and play in his cot, all hell broke loose. He kicked and screamed for an hour until I decided I had been paitent enough and put him back in the cot to continue on his own. Unbelievably, he fell asleep 15 minutes later. I on the other hand did not so I’ve been up since 4 now and am 6 months pregnant. Not happy at all.

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  34. Anonymous

    Another rule, don’t even “think” about bitching or complaining about your children within a 200m radius of someone who desperately wants children but can’t have them. It takes me all my strength not to bitch slap anyone who does that near me.

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    • Luc

      Agree – this is the GOLDEN rule!

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    • Jackie

      Here, here, that is a cardinal sin.

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    • MrsS

      The famous “oh you want kids!? Take mine for the afternoon and you will be happy u don’t any!” ouch…

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    • Cordeline

      Yes. It’s my ‘know your audience’ rule again :-)

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    • rudyroo

      I don’t know.
      Every one has a hill to climb, no matter what the circumstances are.
      When I was struggling to conceive I didn’t expect others to stop acting normal and venting their own frustrations around me. It’s frustrating raising kids.
      Parents need to vent sometimes. Just as I needed to vent about the pain and frustrations of infertility/ivf.

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      • Rachel

        Including the single childless people who desparately want both and aren’t writing nonsense articles.

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      • Loop

        I agree and thankyou Rudyroo! I would never want to hurt someone who was struggling with fertility, but if one of them asked how I had been on a day when the kids had been giving me hell, I wouldn’t even think to censor my thoughts for them. No hurt intended … and I would really hope they see my good intentions!

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        I agree rudyroo. I think everyone has pain in their lives one way or another, and it can be hard to censor yourself all the time. Obviously sensitivity never goes astray but most of my girlfriends that I would vent to would be understanding regardless of their circumstances as I would be to them.

        When I was on bed rest with my second baby and the prognosis was extremely bad, (luckily we proved the doctors wrong!) a friend came to visit and told me she was pregnant. She was surprised when my reaction was pure joy. She confessed she thought it would upset me. I was genuinely shocked – her happiness had no effect whatsoever on my pain. My situation didn’t change, but I got to see a good friend really happy and it took my mind off my own troubles. It was lovely actually. So definitely be sensitive. But if you are really good friends I reckon they’ll want to hear how you feel anyway.

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      • Anonymous

        Fine but you should put some thought into who you’re venting to. I’ve had 13 miscarriages & been trying for 10 years to carry a baby to term, so no I really don’t give two shits if your kids are giving you the craps on any particular day. Sorry but hey sometimes you just need to be more selective who you bitch to.

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        • Emma

          But people have to actually know that you’re in that situation before being able to avoid making comments they think might be insensitive. Do you inform everyone you meet about your reproductive health and experiences?

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        • Emma

          Yes but people have to know something about your personal circumstances before being able to avoid saying something they think is insensitive. Do you inform everyone you meet of your reproductive health and history?

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    • Ellen

      I don’t know. I complained about having a really sore pelvis to a lady who asked how my pregnancy was going and she said, very angrily, “well, at least you can get pregnant. Some people can’t”.
      I’m afraid I replied “have they tried having sex?” and walked away. Because her response was awful. My pelvis was freaking sore and she asked, I didn’t volunteer the information.

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      • Delly

        Yep, that’s just fishing for something to complain about

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      • Anonymous

        Yup, I would have bitch slapped you for that comment. Sorry but I would.

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        • Zepgirl

          That’s very unkind.

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        • Anon

          That is really nasty and uncalled for! The comment was regarding a situation where a woman answered a question honestly and was met with a rude and aggressive reply. Granted the situation could have been handled better but i find your response much more offensive! Moderator?

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    • megs

      I heard a really great analogy for this once (maybe even on this site?!) where a woman struggling to get pregnant said, “Telling me all the downsides of being parent is like telling a blind person, ‘Sure, us people with sight get to see sunsets and our loved ones, but we also have to see dumps and poverty and rubbish!’” It made me shut right up around childless couples, especially if I don’t know their situation – my poor cousins were hounded for 8 years with “when are you going to have kids….” by people who had no idea they were struggling (they eventually adopted!).

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  35. mobilemama

    great article

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  36. Gg

    My three year old will only eat fish fingers if they have their skins (crumbs) removed and placed on the side – they really are quirky little people!

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    • Suki

      Yeah, thats coz the crumbs are the best bit and have to be saved till last!

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    • Flowers in the Spring

      My daughter loves her fish fingers peeled so she can “eat the chicken on the inside”

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  37. leelee

    Hmmm I guess I don’t really …maybe that’s why I have developed Alopecia Areata..ho hum another story…
    – but really the problems that surface are often created by us ..kids are just being kids, copying, growing & responding..all parents need time out though..maybe this time could be spent doing stuff that feels good & not focussing on minor annoyances …which are just part of the spectrum of being a parent anyway!

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  38. Claire H

    Great post and handy rules for bitching that I will try and stick to! Having a 2.5 year old and a 4 month old is a seriously stressful business at times and when I can have a moan to a friend I do….and it is usually framed as a joke which somehow releases the tension. Now when I see mums/dads with one child I think wistfully that I never knew how good I had it! But I wouldn’t say that out loud! I also restrain myself from commenting on posts on FB pertaining to insomnia or hangovers for which I (now) have little sympathy! Its exhausting not being sanctimonious!

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  39. Emilia

    Don’t vent about your children where your children can hear you, and definitely don’t bitch about them in front of them! My mother is a very modest person and generally considers saying parents who rave about their kids to be bragging and boastful. So while her friends were the type who constantly built their kids up to other people, my mum would either be silent or choose something to vent about, and this always made me feel like she wasn’t proud of me.

    So mums out there: vent among yourselves all you want, just be discreet!

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    • MissRiss

      My mother is the same way. One of her daughters spent 5 years at uni studying to be a vet and graduated with honours, on of her daughters is about to graduate uni as a qualified midwife, and I’m 21 and about to buy my first house, but when she’s on the phone to her friends or extended family members all we ever hear her tell them is what horrible children we are. It’s not great for one’s self esteem :(

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      • Ros

        I’m sad to hear that. Sounds like you’ve all done really well in spite of her. When you’re a parent you’ll have learnt from that mistake!

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  40. Jo

    Love the practical tips Bec, I have a friend who has 8 kids – no use downloading to her….but of course I do and bless her cotton socks she can be very generous in giving me what I need including a reality check. When I was new to parenthood, I described it a friend as not the hardest or most complex thing I had ever done, more like being on survivor – where you had to keep going and going except you got to lie down (not necessarily sleep) in a bed each night after having a shower and putting on clean clothes.

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  41. picardie.girl

    Love this. Don’t have kids (yet) but will keep in mind for later.

    Thanks Bec. You are such a gem.

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  42. Sarah

    “For me parenting isn’t hard but it is frustrating, challenging and mind-numbingly boring at times.”
    Yes about 10000x.

    A prerfectly timed article!

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  43. KateMelbourne

    I fit into the childless bracket, but I just wanted to make an observation about something I find to be the ‘wrong’ way to bitch about your children – and that is facebook. The amount of statuses and updates I have seen parents, mainly mothers update about how sick of their baby they are and general derogatory comments about their children – that do not turn me off having children, but make me wish they had a more acceptable form of ‘bitching’ than such a public forum! It really doesnt sit well with me!

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    • Renee

      plus it’s permanent and your kids will probably hunt it down and read it one day….

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    • Loop

      Agreed! General rule is don’t bitch about ANYBODY on facebook … except maybe politicians.

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    • Anonymous

      My relative of mine is terrible with that. Snipey comments about her 12 year old stepson. He apparently wrote an email to his mother about how much he missed her and my cousin found it while checking his email account. Then she wrote on F.B. about how disappointed she was. Kids love their mothers, even if they are rotten people. She seemed to take it as a criticism of her. A total violation of the kids privacy and very immature on her part, in my opinion.

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  44. Leanne

    This is a great article! Thanks Bec.

    My kids are both adults and occasionally I STILL feel the need to vent about their behaviour!

    Luckily my sister has a 15yo so we can swap war stories.

    :)

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  45. Mumabulous

    My (almost) three year old daughter has given me alot of quality whine fodder this week. Thankfully tomorrow is a daycare day.
    http://mum-abulous.com/2012/09/03/the-unbearable-cheekiness-of-being/

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  46. Serial venter

    Anyone who says they never bitch about their kids is lying. But like any comic relief, it’s all about timing and context.

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    • K8e.

      Love this response… so true!

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  47. Anna

    My mothers group used to joke about putting the offending child out with the bins on bin night. We would joke that we might need to leave some biscuits or something for the garbo if we wanted them to take them! Of course to the wrong ears, we might have been frowned at, but it’s all in good humor and it made us laugh!

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  48. Violet

    Great article. Ironically though I am watching insight which is about parents of profoundly disabled children. I can not stop crying. Very conscious of Stella young’s article not long ago, and don’t really know what to say, but it’s making me think.

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    • Violet

      Just on al this though (the ads are on so I can be more reflective), if this was written by my mother and I was reading it when I was older I would think it’s hilarious! ‘they’re too bumpy!’ that is funny!

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  49. nathasthree

    bahahaha, great article, made me smile for the first time today

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  50. Anonymous

    Something interesting a friend of mine leanrt at uni. She ius now a psychologist. Apparently there was a study where a mother was aksed to describe her child. Then, they subsequently watched the mothers interaction with her child. Then they did all sorts of measures on how welll adjusted the child was.

    The results were interesting-

    They found that children with mothers who knew of all their quirks and spoke positively of them, were more intelligent and more well adjusted.

    I agree that venting is good and being able to be open and honest. BUT if you regularly feel negative, then that is going to show….And if we are honest with ourselves it takes alot of emotional regulation to get back into balance when we have a raging 3 year old. heck, I am miss awareness and still slip up, what about people who have no awareness?

    I do not agree that these days we can’t talk about our challenges. i think the opposite is the case. If we talk about our sheer joy and love, we get berated. Hence, remember that article from the reporter ( I can’t remember her name) where she admitted she found it easy? OUTRAGE!

    I think its become fashionable to bitch and whine about our children these days and if your a dotting mother, than your going to upset some people.

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    • becsparrow

      HI Anonymous

      That post was by Jacinta Tynan and there’s a link to her article in my post above. See the sentence (in blue) that says “We have often debated whether parenting is hard …”

      I agree that if you rave about your kids and motherhood some people find that nauseating!

      You can’t win!

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        It does seem that you can’t win sometimes. If you whinge to the wrong person they get offended because they aren’t lucky enough to have your problems, but if you say positive stuff that can be insensitive too. Unfortunately, just as not being able to have kids or being a parent to a child with a disabilityetc is your life, having two wonderfully crazy kids is mine. It’s what I do every day. It’s what I have to talk about. I don’t want to upset someone whose problems I don’t presume to understand, and I would of course live to hear about that and commiserate if I’m able. But we all talk about ourselves from time to time. (Hope that doesn’t sound insensitive!)

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    • ashamasha

      hmm … that study is a bit of a long bow to draw from one observation??, and feeds the usual parental guilt..

      It’s just as logical to come to the conclusion that if a child is well adjusted and intelligent, then the parent is able to be positive about their child, and their quirkiness? …not every aspect of child development can be traced back to a parent’s reaction/interaction to/with their child.

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      • Lana

        Totally agree – and more specifically, mother guilt. Studies that don’t tease out cause vs correlation (or are reported without an analysis of cause vs correlation) drive
        me crazy!!

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