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kid at window 380x215 Is it unfair to raise kids in an apartment?

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My 4 year old son lives in an apartment. A unit. Or if you want to use the pejorative, “a flat”. On the third floor, up six small flights of stairs, far away from a lush green backyard. He has no cricket pitch, no cubby house, and no place to make mud pies.

We live in a beautiful old corner building built in the 1920s. It has high ceilings, polished floors, atmosphere to burn. But it is on a busy road, opposite a train station, above the shops. Not a place where kids would’ve lived a generation ago. No patch of lawn with sheets flapping on the hills hoist or a jacaranda tree dropping its blossoms. Our outside world is concrete and bitumen, with a couple of trees planted along the old-fashioned shopping strip. Our only backyard – a small, dank shared courtyard. Just the other day my husband spied some of the local wildlife lurking.  A dead rat –  he said as he snapped on the rubber gloves to  get rid of it – “as big as a cat”. Kid friendly? Not so much.

Before you snort, what a pack of w*nkers, pretending to live in New York when you live in Oz, I admit that in Australia, apartment dwelling can seem weird in a country with such great weather. But aside from the joy of not having a soul-crushing mortgage, at the moment, I take a perverse pleasure our small family unit living in a unit. Because not that long ago that they were thought as rather immoral. In 1920, when Australian poet Kenneth Slessor was a young man, he rented a flat. And In Slessor’s words, his mother believed that was  “only one step away from announcing that he was going to shack up with a prostitute, because flats in those days were looked upon as evil, something really evil.”

Although that view seems old fashioned today, there’s still a view that apartment living isn’t suitable for children. And if you don’t live near to a good local park, green spaces or something like a skate park across the road, which is our lucky situation, it can definitely be tough. But the reality is that with housing affordability at record low levels, apartment dwelling kids are a much more common group of children in Australian cities. It’s happened fast, in less than a generation. When I went to put my little boy’s name down at the local school,  there was a problem. “Your building doesn’t appear on our map” said the woman at the front office. Yes, because in the 1950s when the local area maps were drawn up for schools in NSW, no children lived in apartments, or above the shops. Now, there are 9 kids in our building, most under school age.

For my husband and I, because we live in a city where property prices are crazy, we could only afford a house if we moved ‘further out’ – to far suburbia. But to lose the luxury of being able to walk everywhere – to the supermarket, the fruit shop, the local primary school  – and to the train to take us to the city – at the moment, for us that’s too much of a trade off. For us, the thought of hours spent commuting each day would drain a lot of the colour from life. And it would be hours. Houses are so expensive where we live,  could start looking at around 20 kilometres from our suburb to find something we could afford. So right now we’re choosing what the planners call “walkability” over more space. But we have asked ourselves the question many times about our flat dwelling life. Is it worth it – and are we short-changing our little guy?

Without being able to retort ‘just go outside!’ to “I’m bored!”, the reality is that daily trawl to the local park takes a lot of effort. And like most kids, my son has the energy of a small freight train. So there’s been many late afternoons with our 3 year old neighbour at the ‘witching hour’  with 2 boys clambering in and out of his bedroom window  (an interior window!) and leaping up and down under a tent made of sheets.  Because I just can’t be bothered to drag him to that damn park.* A poor substitute for climbing a tree or doing cartwheels in the grass, right? Probably.

But the great part of living where we do is that our little boy is a part of something. Because we can walk everywhere, all the shop owners know him. He’s showered with free bread rolls, gifts of apples, and the lovely woman who runs the cafe in our building rushes out with a tiny teddy whenever he walks past with me. Sometimes it can even feel too much. As my mother described it when she visits  from Queensland – “he’s like the local rock star!” But aside from all the attention and smiles, he is getting a behind the scenes tutorial on life.

He understands that the Saturday supplements arrive on Friday and pile up outside the newsagent. He sees the left over bones being collected from the butcher by a gothic looking, open truck full of bones – enough bones to inspire lifelong vegetarianism. He watches the wood man stacking up the fuel for the wood-fired pizza oven at the pizza restaurants. He the council workers fixing the power lines, and the unwanted stuff piling up outside Vinnies. We spend a lot of time walking around the village doing our errands. We know our neighbours, and we are friends with some of them – and their children.  On the best days it’s like a larger version of Sesame Street.

But even in our urban life things can feel claustrophobic. If my little guy chooses to have a tantrum in the middle of the footpath, people remember it months later.  “Remember when he had a huge meltdown right in front of the gift shop?” Oooh yes, I do. I was there, dragging him up the street where everyone knows us,  stifling a primal scream of ‘stop looking at us! Haven’t you ever seen a 4 year old lose it before?’

Sometimes I wish for him a childhood like mine, with an empty block next door to roam in, and hours and hours of outside time, riding our bikes with gangs of neighbourhood children with no sense of time and no parents hovering. If we got hungry we’d go home for food, or as Mum described it – ‘you just came home when it got dark’. The suburban freedom of a 1970s childhood was a glorious thing in many ways. But unless you live in the country, that sort of life is over for many of our kids. It’s car-ferrying all the way, to and from school and activities, at least while they’re young.

His childhood is already quite different. Crafting is big. Jimmy Giggle is also big. We love our neighbours, and we leave the door ajar so the boys can run in and out between our places across the hall. But rainy days can feel interminable, and like being stuck in a large-sized box with the energiser bunny. Sometimes the dream of a fibro house on a battleaxe block does seem a better alternative. But at the moment, we’re up for this life.

Because kids all over the world grow up in apartments and turn out fine. And these days a lot of people in Australia are working with less space for their families – and bringing them up without the luxury of having extra bedrooms, or a media room, or a pool. If you want to buy a house, or an apartment, you have to work within your means. And sometimes that means smaller than you’d like.

*(and of course we do take him to the park. He rides his bike.)

Nicola Harrison is a Sydney based radio producer for the ABC.

What do you think? Are apartments for children? Did you grow up in one?

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  1. pando

    I am writing to tell you that the so called soul crushing life style you describe isn’t so bad. You can buy a house further out and spend 40 -45 minutes on the train in the morning.. and then you’ll have the yard and the house and the room. Its not a huge deal. You can also hop into your car and go to the supermarket or coles or a cafe… most suburbs have these within close proximity of your house (10 min drive).

    Besides this, one day you may want to have another child..and as an only child, I urge you to because growing up with NO brothers or sisters isn’t fun…especially when your parents are old and no longer your “friends”

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  2. TheMrsSmith

    Kids need to live in a home with people that love them and are dedicated to nurturing them as they grow up. Whether that be in a tiny apartment in the inner city, a fence-to-fence housing estate in suburbia, a quarter-acre block in a rural city, a property in the country or a mansion anywhere, it’s irrelevant.

    Kids will remember and cherish the experiences of growing up with their families. The location in which these experiences took place is merely the backdrop.

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  3. K-Fog

    Started out in the burbs, big house, big backyard etc, no mini-humans. Had two girls, never used the backyard, commuted everywhere. Not happy.

    Moved into inner city suburb, small 2bdr apartment with balcony. Girls sleep on their mattresses in study nook. Across the road from ovals, childcare, swimming pool, skate park etc. Five mins walk to two different train lines, local shops, school. Two stations into city centre.

    Can’t walk up the street without running into a school/childcare friend. It’s a real community.

    Couldn’t be happier with apartment living. In fact I wouldn’t want it any other way.

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  4. crackerpants

    Thanks for a thought-provoking piece. I read this (and comments) and few days ago, but have only just got round to commenting myself…

    I think a huge part of this comes down to our own personalities and backgrounds, and stemming from this, our values and how we choose to live our lives and raise our families. I grew up in a succession of small country towns before moving to one of the smaller capitals for uni, and staying for mt career (the course of which has changed once or twice). My husband had a similar childhood, lived for a number of years in one of the larger capitals, before moving here for work. For most people commenting here, the choice seems to be a pretty brutal one – an apartment in walking distance to work, or a gruelling 1.5 hour plus commute from and to a house – which confirms my (limited) experiences of Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. I can honestly say that faced with that choice of A or B, we would go for option C – a smaller city, which is where we are fortunate enough to be. Should we ever wish to move for whatever reason, it would be to a smaller city, not a larger one (think Albury-Wodonga, Bathurst). Where we are now, we are right on the edge of the city (well, 2 streets away!), will never be built out, we’re 8 min from work in traffic, and daycare is a further 2k along. There is a wonderful community here in the burbs, our kids will go to the local school down the road with her mates from mother’s group, and the older kids *do* play in the street.

    As for the personality bit – we’re homebodies. We get our energy from spending time with each other in our home. We have our quarter acre block which we’ve just had reconfigured to best suit our needs – space for the kids to play, vegie gardens, fruit trees, space for the grownups, and a grownup garden for me :-) A few people commented on gardens detracting from time with the kids/time for other things. Firstly, I LOVE gardening. Secondly, the kids do too – family gardening is one of our most cherished activities. I think gardening is really underrated as a way of getting kids outside, active, engaged, and learning about the world around them.

    I love getting out and socialising, with the kids too. Apart from our frequent visits to the local parks, we do have to drive – but not very far ;-) And when we’re done, we come back to our own space, where we have peace and quiet. I do “get” city living – I love staying in the centre of a big city like Sydney or London, with the attendant buzz…but after a few days I’m craving peace and quiet again, clear air, grass under my feet etc etc. So I do think a lot of it is personality – and if apartment living suits you perfectly, then apart from a few practical considerations, I don’t see why it wouldn’t suit your children either.

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  5. Charlotte

    I think the most important of all is that he is loved and encouraged and you sound very much like a mommy who does that.
    Enjoy !

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  6. chellebelle

    While I totally understand whta the author is saying, and completely respect the right of anyone to live the way they choose, I still wouldn’t trade our quarter-acre block in a semi-rural area for any other upbringing in the world.

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  7. gemack

    I grew up in the country, and I absolutely loved it. I really did have that stereotypical childhood of riding horses, playing outside, building treehouses… yes, it doesn’t just exist in the movies. I don’t have children now but when I do I plan to move back to the country because I really want my children to experience the wide open spaces.

    That said, there are sacrifices – I had to travel 70km to high school every day so I could attend a decent school. I moved closer to the city for university. I spent a lot of time feeling cut off from my friends who lived close to the city as it was such a hassle to go in & out, and as there was no public transport there always had to be someone who could pick me up before I had my licence. So it was a lot of stress on me and my parents. But I got used to it, and I did eventually move just 2.5km from my uni, and I downright hated living in an apartment. I stuck it out for 7 months but the lack of backyard just didn’t suit me at all and I moved away.

    So basically I think there are pros and cons and you just have to find what is right for you, though I personally am an advocate of country life :) But let’s be honest – if you’re living on a typical block in the suburbs, how much more freedom and space does your child have than if you lived in a unit with a courtyard? How much more time does the average kid living in suburbia spend inside on their computer anyway? So I don’t really think the debate here is city v country, it’s cbd v suburbs, and I personally don’t see much difference there!

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  8. Loz

    As a teacher in an inner city school, I teach a lot of children who live in apartments/units. Most are happy and well-adjusted and if they’re not, it usually has more to do with the family unit rather than the size of the land they live. That said though, I have seen the PE teacher many times in absolute awe at the lack of spatial awareness that our children have (eg. running into each other when playing on the oval) and their inability to co-ordinate their arms and legs to be able to run properly.

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  9. Mel M

    Nice post.We are in the middle of moving closer to the city, because out here in the suburbs, my husband i spend 3 hours a day travelling into the city for work.The main reason why we hadn’t before was because we couldn’t afford it and i wanted a large house and yard for the kids.But here we are moving to the city! We will be in a tiny tiny house you may as well call it an apartment, however we have parks across the road and the school is local.Because we are moving closer we have sacrificed the suburbian luxuries to be able to have more time as a family.I am happy you wrote this story, it brings me hope that we wont be the only family who can’t afford a large city home.

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  10. Livinia

    I don’t think it’s unfair to raise children in apartment living but I do think it’s unfair not be bothered to take them to the park. You choose your lifestyle, you make an effort , take them to the park……

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    • Nicola Harrison

      Hi Livinia, see my comment a little further down this page! Cheers

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  11. Jrn

    I think that we are spoilt in australia, we do have some of the largest homes in the world but for what purpose? We are in brisbane on a large block 10km from the city. Perfectly close to schools, shops, kindy and transport. A while ago I was all about getting a larger house, but to do that would cost a bomb. We are happy where we are. Kids love it. The kids love being near us. Even if we had a massive house they still want mum and dad. It’s been said, where ever kids are loved is good for them. Nothing wrong with apartments.

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  12. Beezer

    I think this is interesting, not necessarily a ‘first world problem’ – perhaps a misleading headline is what people are getting so narky about? I think the author is describing something new in bigger Australian cities – kids living in built-up urban areas. Prams and Mums and Dads are everywhere these days not just in traditional suburbia and that has to be a good thing.

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  13. rachael1260

    I didn’t read the article but I can answer your question.

    If your kids are well fed, clothed, and loved then of course it doesn’t matter a jot WHERE you live.

    How many kids in this world live in seriously deprived conditions? Such a first-world dilemma!

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  14. Michelle

    Your son is happy, healthy and from a loving family. That’s all he needs.

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  15. Siobhan

    Oh wow – thanks for this article!! Sometimes I feel like we’re the only couple with children living in an inner city apartment! Admittedly, things are a little cramped at our place – we have a three year old and a seven month old (both energetic boys!) and we are living in a one bedroom apartment! When I tell most people this, I see jasw drop, as most of our friends just ‘have to’ move into a four bedroom house once the second baby is on the way, so nobody seems able to comprehend how we could possibly be living as we are – two adults and two children sharing one bedroom! But there are many people in the world sharing much smaller spaces, so we don’t feel too hard done-by.

    There are some days when I feel like I’m going slightly mad (like the last days of torrential downpour in Sydney), but most of the time I love where and how we live. We have a great, light-filled ultra modern apartment in the inner west with a view all the way to the Blue Mountains. We have a large (and secure) balcony, a 50m outdoor lap pool, a 25m indoor pool, and two fully-equipped gyms. We have a village green area with a water feature that is great fun for kids, a great sushi restaurant in our development, and we are close to dozens and dozens of amazing parks and playgrounds that we visit daily. I know we get out and explore our local area a lot more than most of our friends who have big backyards, although there are times I would love the convenience of a backyard. Still, as others have pointed out, apartment living really is the way of the future. We are fast running out of space to house everyone, so the challenge will be for developers, urban planners and architects to figure out ways to make apartments more child-friendly, which admittedly, many aren’t at the moment.

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  16. Lyn

    Lots of kids I went to school with in the 70s (in a working/lower middle class suburb in middle ring Sydney) lived in flats. When I played at their places their apartment blocks seemed to be filled with families. I actually it was more common in the 70s to have families in apartments than now.

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  17. Allison Rushby

    I hear you! We’ve moved to the UK and are in an apartment and it hasn’t been easy with an eight-year-old and a five-year-old, I have to admit, especially with the weather, which means you simply can’t hoof it to the park whenever you feel like (too cold, too rainy etc.). We can’t wait to get back to Australia to let that kids have that seamless indoor/outdoor lifestyle again, with the back door wide open. The apartment has had benefits (smaller, easier to clean, can keep it warm!), but we really miss having a back yard, especially with older kids.

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  18. Emily

    We bought a house late last year, and we chose the outer suburbs; the end of the train line, and we still walk to the shops, library, pool, everywhere – we are a one car family, and my husband does the commute. So it’s hard on him, but I don’t think you can rule out walking just because you live in the suburbs. I love that we have 5 parks in toddler walking distance from our house. We have a backyard. Our house is small by some standards, but it’s ours. And it was cheaper than an apartment closer to the city. We chose this life over living in a unit, and I’m pleased we did. We dream of moving closer to the city one day, but for now, the train to the city is only 30 minutes. I think that we are really lucky with what we have.

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  19. Louise

    WOW! Some people are really taking this article the wrong way.. What I read as a warm article designed to provoke a bit of discussion has been interpreted by few people as so negative! Get a grip people and stow the vitriolic attack!

    As a mum, I wonder constantly if the things I am doing are right for my children – but wondering and ruminating over them is different to whinging, complaining and stressing about it. Nicola isn’t complaining – she’s raising an issue that is shared by thousands of other families and if you are living in an apartment it may feel great to know that other people are in the same situation and experiencing the same feelings.

    I think this little boy’s neighborhood sounds wonderful – in a modern world where so many people don’t even know the names of their neighbour, it’s lovely to picture this little boy, saying howdy to all the shopkeepers and storeowners as he wanders past.

    To flourish a child needs one thing: to know that they are loved. The size of the walls around them or the patch of lawn out the back are irrelevant.

    And this boy sounds loved to me.

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  20. Nicola Harrison

    Hi everyone, I just wanted to clarify a couple of things. Firstly I do take my kid to the park! (that was a joke in the original post – obviously not a very good one). Secondly, I understand that we are completely privileged to even have a mortgage, and a lovely place to raise our child in, and in that sense it is a ‘first world problem’. However what I wanted to do was point out that this is a new situation in Australia – of course kids have been raised happily in apartments all over the world for many years. But here in our inner cities it’s quite a new phenomenon. Australia until recently has been the land of the quarter acre block. So that’s what I was trying to articulate. And just for the record I personally don’t think it’s unfair that my son is growing up in an apartment, I consider he has a lucky life.

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  21. archie

    Sitting here with a one year old and a three year old, on a rainy day, with ABC2 broken, in a house with a backyard, a front yard, a courtyard, a veggie patch, chickens, and a park two doors down…. I can categorically say rainy days suck just as much in a house as in an apartment! Off to crack out the craft stuff, again…..

    http://the-accidental-housewife.blogspot.com.au/

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  22. Anonymous

    Is this article for real? I feel like responding “No – it is cruel and inhumane to raise children in a flat – basically akin to child abuse! If you can’t afford a big house and a garden then you should not be allowed to have children!!”

    Get a grip. Raise your children to be good people who succeed at life, and keep them safe. Who cares where you do it.

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    • Anita

      Thanks for the brutal response.
      I’ve been wondering the same question as Nicola, and you are quite right! Raise great kids regardless of where.

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  23. G

    I think its great to discuss the different ways that we parent our kids. But, I get the feeling from this article that you are too worried that people may be judging you for your parenting choices. Relax! I doubt that anyone is judging you! I know that in my parenting experience I often worried that people judged the choices I made (such as where we lived) but when I think about it rationally other people are really too busy with their own lives to think about yours. I hate to think about the time and effort I have wasted in my life worrying about what other people think about me!

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  24. Steph

    We are living in Budapest at the moment (childless) and heaps of families live in apartments – pretty small ones too! Right near our place there are lovely parks that have high fences and gates, and I see lots of parents sitting on benches reading or having coffee, chatting with other parents, while the kids play in the sandpit, on the playground, on the skate ramp, the basketball or soccer courts… it’s all divided up so that different ages can do their thing safely. Good urban design has a huge impact. People walk everywhere here, with prams and dogs, kids on scooters etc. High density living has perks just like the country living upbringing I had. And with housing prices the way they are in Aus., there is no way I will be able to have a happy partner AND a house, because we could only afford outer suburbs (Melb) or country, and that would mean a huge daily commute for him. Whilst I would love to live out in the open space, teach my kids to ride a horse and collect eggs from hens like I did as a child, I know that this is probably not feasible in my situation.

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  25. Cinnamon

    from birth until the age of 6 I grew up in an apartment in Tehran, with my older sister, that is before we moved to Australia. In fact all of my relatives over there still live in apartments, since that is the main type of housing over there. So no I don’t see it as a problem. I guess it really depends on the size of the apartment you are living in as well, I don’t have kids but I wouldn’t be against the idea of have kids and living in a flat/apartment whatever, I would prefer a house but if I couldn’t afford one as the writer says then it wouldn’t be a problem.

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  26. Dearest

    Relax. You have a First World problem. I’m 48 and this is what my 16 year old daughter said to me this afternoon, dearest slightly smug petal that she is. Her comments are valid tho’ . You have running water, electricity… and all the rest. Your child will not only be ok as you’re so caring and considered, he will prosper.

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  27. Katie

    My husband and I lived in a little apartment in Sydney when our daughter was born, we were walking distance to Bondi Beach and to the Rose Bay ferry so it took my husband 8 minutes to get to work. We had a little art deco apartment with no outdoor area at all but would walk to the beach or harbour (and surrounding parks) every single day.

    There was no way that we could ever afford a house in that area and we agreed that even if we ended up having 3 kids we would still prefer to live in an apartment where we were than ever move to the suburbs. (We told ourselves that people did it in New York and Paris all the time).

    BUT then our daughter turned two and we found ourselves longing for a house of our own.. a place with a garden where we could have friends over for a BBQ and a place to grow a veggie patch. We wanted space and (surprisingly) decided that it was time to head to the suburbs.

    We had to head about 40 minutes west before we could find a suburb in our price range and…

    Well, it was the wrong decision for us.

    It’s not that we were miserable, but we definitely regretted the decision we made. We loved having a bigger place and spend all our free time growing veggies and gardening.. but we missed being walking distance to the beach, we missed the coffee shops and the buzz that was missing in the suburbs. I hated the fact that it would take my husband over an hour to get home from work and my nearest friend was now 25 minutes drive away, not living next door.

    I know that it is important to consider what was best for our daughter, not just ourselves but I believe that it’s better to have happy parents in a small place than not happy parents in a big house.

    (In the end we ended up moving to a different city altogether where house prices are slightly more affordable.)

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    • apt dweller too

      Thanks for this post. My husband and I are always tossing up moving further west for more space, etc. But I think I too would miss walking to the beach and the shops and playground. We walk everywhere and bump into friends and neighbours along the way. I’m not sure I want to give that up for a “media” room!

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      • Jess

        Me too….although baby number 3 is going to push us out from my beloved bondi. My husband is thinking of moving over the bridge to the far northern beaches. I don’t think I’ll ever see anyone again. I’ll cry now. And yes I know it’s a FWP.

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        • JL

          Thats ok… i live on the North Northern Beaches… i will be your friend :)

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    • only one life

      I hear you Katie. It’s good that you figured out what was right for you and your family.

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  28. Pamela

    The only bad thing about raising my children in our apartment is feeling sorry for our neighbours when 2 year old chucks a tantrum! Ha ha. I’d hate to be the childless people living next door!

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  29. Bradley

    Raise your children in a flat. Raise them on acreage. Raise them on a 20 perch block of land in suburbia.

    Just raise them properly. Raise them to be decent human beings who aren’t obsessed by themselves.

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    • Lu

      Spot on Bradley. Not telling them ‘NO’ will do more harm than what they grow up in.

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  30. Wills

    I grew up living in an apartment. Never knew any different, apart from visiting my grandparents house on school holidays.

    As an adult, I’ve at times, alternated between apartment living, and being a house dweller. Currently, living in a house in the outer Bris suburbs.

    My long term goal is to return to an inner city townhouse or high rise apartment. The ‘walkabilty’ factor and convenience, can’t be beaten. I actually go to bed at night (sometimes), dreaming of living in a New York style loft apartment.

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  31. Kylie2

    We raised our 2 kids in a unit until they were 11 and 14 years old. They both did swimming, sport & music. We spent weekends at the beach, the park and the bike track.

    We got to have dinner as a family every night because their dad was home an hour earlier than he would have been if we’d moved to an area where we could afford a house. They got to hang out at their grandparents after school instead of after school care.

    They didn’t suffer. I actually think it was harder on us. There were times when I would have loved them to be able to play unsupervised in an enclosed backyard while we got on with other things. We now live in a house and I love the space and privacy.

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  32. Linda

    We recently moved from a 2 bedroom unit with a courtyard to a 4 bedroom house on a block. We needed more inside space – with 2 kids – and buying a bigger house in our suburb was too expensive.

    The irony though, is that we no longer have ‘walkability’. We drive everywhere, to other places, whereas before I used the pram for hours each day and knew the neighbours and shopping strip people. My boys may have more space to play now, but I spend less time with them than I used to, as now they go outside as I do jobs/work inside. Before, we would all go to the park together.

    By moving further out, I’ve lost the sense of community I had. The parks are now deserted, the streets empty whereas before they were filled with families who needed to get out of the house and didn’t have a backyard.

    I will be forever greatful that my twin boys and I experienced the first 3 years of their lives in that setting, as the interaction with the inner suburb neighbours was worth more to me and my sanity than having the garden space I do now.

    I actually think that your son is better off where he is. I dreamt of the 1970′s lifestyle for my kids, but the reality is that other people arent doing it. You can’t meet people and play with them if everyone goes from the backyard to the car. My only hope of meeting kids in this area is to take next year off work and get my kids to do 4 year old kinder at the local pre school. By being a kinder mum, we might have a chance.

    * I don’t live in the outer suburbs. I live in Rosanna in Melbourne – about 15 kms from the CBD.

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  33. amyintheworld

    Thank you thank you!
    My fiance and I are sick to death of his mother making us (and in particular, me) feel like rubbish because we ‘need’ to raise our children (when we have them) in a house. We’re in Sydney, and we both feel certain that we may never afford a house. We may never be able to afford to mortgage even a unit/flat/apartment. HIs mother is constantly telling me we just need to save enough for a deposit, then we’ll be fine. We currently live in a rumpus room converted to a granny flat. It’s underneath the house of my in-laws neighbour (yep, just 5 doors from my in-laws!), and it’s been wonderful while I was finishing my uni degree and we only had one income and my stepson to help support. There’s no room to swing a cat, that’s for sure (we have no oven, just a plug-in stovetop and an electric frypan!), but we’re lucky to have a roof over our heads and an opportunity to save a little. Despite this, we still haven’t been able to save a heap. We’ve both recently just got office jobs (haven’t even started them yet!) but the pay won’t be much different.

    We plan to live here another 12 months to continue saving, then move to an actual apartment! I was devastated when I realised how much money was involved in a deposit, then mortgage repayments – it was my Dad that finally helped me see that we might have to square with the fact that we might be renting well into our 40s, or perhaps forever. And forget renting a house! Unless we live, as others have said, really far out – and in all honesty, I figure… what’s the point? Yes, we’d have a house. But we’d be far away from our friends and family, we’d be tired all the time from all the travel involved in getting to our jobs which are both in the middle of the city. I’d much prefer to come home at 5.30-6 to have dinner with my kids and be with my family than stumble in the door at 8 or 9 to find everyone already in bed.

    Like others have mentioned, there are actually very few people in the world who do live in houses. I’d be willing to bet that that the majority of people live in very small spaces, and I’m tired of society making me feel like I will be a failure, or that I’ll be ruining my kids if I don’t raise them in a big house with their own bedroom each. I had that as a kid, and I suppose it’s why it’s hard to let it go (to be fair, I grew up in Tasmania, where house prices are far cheaper than here in Sydney!), but at the end of the day, I just want to have a space to call home that I can still be proud of – even if it means no backyard and no front porch.

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    • Elspeth

      Yes yes yes Amyintheworld! My thoughts exactly. I could almost have written your exact post. My husband, one-year-old daughter and I are currently living in very similar circumstances (including the electric frying pan). But we’re happy in our tiny place. I step outside and go to friends and family’s places and often feel really depressed that somehow we’ve failed, despite our hard work. And then I open the front door into the loving arms of my little family (cat included) and realise I am very blessed after all.

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  34. Em

    We have a backyard and we head for the park most days anyway. Whatever you have you get bored of and seek elsewhere I’ve found. Apt living fine. I know heaps of people with big backyards and the kids are never out there because they’re staring at screens!. This is going to make me sound old but I realise how lucky I was to have a huge backyard, reserves, parks abounding and a farm to visit on weekends.

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  35. catgirl

    I think that we are lucky in Australia where most kids are raised in a house with a yard. I feel that is going to/has to change as Australia can no longer afford that luxury, and we need to stop the urban sprawl and move towards higher density living.

    Over in Europe it’s the norm to raise your children in apartments. My European cyber friends all do it, they live in apartments with their kids and they don’t own a car. It would appear that their kids are all doing very well.

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  36. Belinda

    I think we all make sacrifices. We do have the big back yard with chooks and a dog and yes it is great. But, to afford this we live out of town (we live outside a large rural city so the commute isnt too bad) our kids friends can’t come over and visit of an afternoon or weekend with ease so they at times feel a little left out. They also need to get on the school bus really early and they get home a lot later than in town. Plus on the weekend we spend all our time running around for kids sport we barely see our backyard. My point is we all make the decision that is right for us and no solution is perfect. Your child won’t suffer from living in a flat as long as they are loved. I think there are plenty of kids with backyards that sit inside on play station games and never use them anyway.

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  37. mumof3

    there are many children that live in apartment all around the world and not big houses with big back yards. Your son knows that you love and provide him with all the necessities of life. Love, Food, Security.

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  38. essessesse

    I don’t see why the word ‘flat’ is pejorative. Am I missing something?

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  39. Josefina

    No i don’t think it’s unfair for kids to live in apartments at all. I’ve lived in Paris, and pretty much everyone in the city lives in apartments (people who live in the suburbs have houses though). It was great- there are so many parks which people wile away the hours in. Not once did i feel deprived for not having a garden like i did back in sydney- i’d just walk or take the metro down to Luxembourg gardens, ride bikes around the bigger parks, no wonder I lost 7kg living there!

    I don’t see anything wrong with children growing up in apartments, unless there are lots of children in the family and it becomes a practical issue of course

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  40. Anonymous

    Doesn’t matter where you live, rainy days are painful all round!

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  41. cw

    Flat, house, apartment, mansion it doesn’t matter where you raise your child as long as your raise them with love!

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  42. kateb

    Quite a few of my children’s friends have brand new houses , there is no back yard!!!!!

    They were amazed when i commented that the kids could leave dirty shoes etc in the laundry, no , why should their children have dirty shoes. They did sport elsewhere, they practiced through the week, they had a sports WEI why would they need a back yard.

    I can see the sense in flats, i think we should be doing more high rise apartments in inner cities and not expanding out wards, but if the suburbs dont have backyards why care? The answer was the house was big with plenty of rooms.

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  43. crazy

    It would be unfair to raise your son without food on the table, without clothes, without laughter. Worry about the greater things in life.

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  44. Yeah!

    My immigrant, Holocaust-surviving grandparents were partial to telling me, ‘When we came to this country, we didn’t live in a one-bedroom apartment – we lived in a one-ROOM apartment!’ My dad was primary school age at the time.

    My dad is now a wonderful man who also happens to be a self-made millionaire.

    You don’t need a house to make a home.

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    • G.J.

      I love this comment, yeah!

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    • missamoo

      Totally agree!! i am one of five and i spent a great many years in houses too small for a family of seven. Once we lived three in one room two in another and mum and dad in the lounge room. Smallest back yard in the world, my favourite place way better than the house we lived in with our own rooms

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  45. G.J.

    Everything has advantages and disadvantages. I’d sacrifice a fair bit to give my kids a yard, but at the end of the day I might not have much of a choice. Families do what they need to do, and kids are (imo) resilient.

    And like you pointed out, the community aspect is one of the perks of city living. I live in a complex where the townhouses don’t have their own yards, but there is a big communal one and I love looking out my window in the afternoon to see all the kids playing there together.

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  46. Anon this time

    I actually do think it’s a bit unfair to raise children in apartments. On Richard Fidler’s ABC program one day I heard a man being interviewed who had researched and written a book about the detrimental effects of children these days being disconnected from being able to explore nature without adults breathing down their necks. We live on 2 acres with chooks, cubby, trampoline, trees, grass, mud and loads of bushes to hide in, and I really do believe that my children benefit greatly from this.

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    • Karenagain

      big surprise – someone thinking they’re doing it right, and others are doing it wrong!

      You probably remember that interview because he was reinforcing your belief in your own actions!

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      • Anon this time

        Karenagain, The question posed at the end of the article was “what do you think, are apartments for children? Am I to assume from your response that unless you agree that it’s ok, then you mustn’t have an opinion? My opinion is that children are better off not in an apartment. I can see that my response will elicit the same old tired mantra of “don’t judge” that gets trotted out on is site whenever someone dares to disagree with someone’s choice.

        I suggest people check out Richard Louv’s book “Last Child in the Woods”, His comments are backed by 10 years of research into the negative effects on children who are not connected with nature.

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        • PippaPoppyPiper

          Can they not be connected with nature and still live in an apartment? Having a backyard or a large property is simply convenient and means that parents can send their kids to the backyard when they are jumping out of their skin instead of having to drive somewhere. It’s somewhat lazy and unimaginative. It doesn’t mean that apartment kids won’t get the same benefits from exploring the local parks, schools, excursions, beaches…..nature is everywhere. It just means that apartment parents need to set aside time to take them out. I actually think kids would find it more interesting to visit different parks than to explore their backyard a million times. The number of trampolines, swings, toys etc. that I see growing cobwebs in people’s backyards shows how quickly kids tire of these luxuries anyway. No 2 visits to the park would be the same! Kids like stimulation.

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          • Anon this time

            Yes of course they can be connected to nature living in a flat, it’s just harder and less likely. I would also argue that visiting a public park is not as good as just wandering in your own patch of yard. And i hardly think its lazy and unimaginative to send children out into the garden. Our children never get bored exploring and at least they can make mud pies there, dig around, look under rocks, plant stuff, grow veggies,collect eggs, none of which can be done in a public park.

            My sister and hvhusband and two small children live in a tiny house with a courtyard garden and with a new baby getting to the park is difficult so their 4 year old gets stuck at home most of the time.

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            • Junebug

              While I wrote a previous comment re how much we love living in the inner-city, my son and I, I still agree with this. Perhaps because I grew up in the hills and go back to visit the grandparents regularly so the impact of moving isn’t as great.

              Your original post reminded me of the research about city kids not knowing where milk’s from. Not that we had a cow. But we had fruit trees and saw native animals, and loved exploring our own backyard. It doesn’t compare with a few hours of supervised play at the park! (And who says kids with gardens don’t go to the park?!)

              I think no matter what the benefits are of inner-city living or, dare I allude to the McMansion debate, that it can’t be denied that our choices are trading-off our children’s natural connection to nature. Having a pet, or a chick that hatches in the classroom, having a (dare I say it again) courtyard vege patch or visiting a farm, is never going to be the same as living day-in, day-out with the cycles of nature.

              But we all make trade-offs in all our choices and we just have to make the best ones for our families. If we could be as socially connected as we are in the city in the same set-up as you, I’d do it. But, at least for now, what we gain in the city is worth sacrificing those things you describe :(

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          • Junebug

            I think it depends on the size/type of backyard you’re talking about. A patch of grass with a swing set on it isn’t the same as one with trees, chooks, native animals, etc. It’s all on a spectrum and you balance the benefits of being in your particular backyard/courtyard/balcony with what public spaces have to offer. Some people’s ‘backyards’ are national park!

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            • PippaPoppyPiper

              Thanks for sharing. It’s always good to hear other people’s thoughts.

              I guess that’s another topic: are kids better off living in the city or outer suburbs where land is plentiful (and affordable!)
              I just thought the author was comparing a unit with a house in the same area (inner city)

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    • S

      It’s not ‘unfair’ to bring kids up in an apartment if people have little or no choice, which seems to be the case. You just make the best of it and hope people who have 2 acres of gardens and pets don’t ‘rub it in’ when they get the chance.

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      • Anon this time

        Lots of other people were giving information about their living arrangements, why can’t I, why do you see it as ‘rubbing it in’? Your opinion is that it’s fine to raise children in apartments, I happen to disagree, why is your opinion any more correct than mine? We had made big sacrifices in career and income to live where we do in regional Victoria after moving from Melbourne. Why on this site do you get demonized if you don’t fawn over people and agree with them all the time? At the bottom of this story people were actually asked to give their opinion.

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  47. Fancy Pants

    I don’t get this post.. I think Nicola has a little issue herself with the “flat”. I too live in the city in a small space with the hubby and a very active seven year old boy. Really don’t spend much time feeling guilty about it, love it actually. I just get on with life, bigger things out there to worry about.

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    • Mish

      Me too… actually it had never occured to me that living in a flat with my daughter was depriving her somehow. We go out during the day and I don’t see the problem whether I have to walk out the front door or down the road to get to a patch of grass!

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  48. georgiepie

    I think this is kind of silly. Millions of kids around the world live in apartments – my french host sister lived in one her whole life, surrounded by parks, shops and friendly neighbours…it’s really not an issue! as if it is cruel! it’s different – would you call raising a kid in the suburbs cruel because they can’t play in fields like their peers in the country can?

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    • Julia

      I agree with you, it is silly. This post is timely in the context of Australia as the apartment market/occupancy is booming, but people have been raising kids in apartments all over the world for a long time now.

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  49. MellyB

    You are not scaring your child for life. I am 26 years old and live in Melbourne now but I spent the first 9 years of my life in an apartment in Croatia. Children all over the world grow up in apartments. It is only in Australia, America, Canada, etc where there is plenty of space that people have the luxury of open space. Kids are resilient and don’t really care where they live or what toys you buy them or what holidays they go on. They just want to be loved.

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  50. fleigha

    The old cliche “As long as your kids lives are filled with love and happiness, with a roof over their head and clothes on their back and food in their tummies”, what more could you ask for.

    We traded our apartment life, with a 15 minute walk to the office in the CBD, when our son turned 3. We now live on a steep block where I have to watch the kids like a hawk if they want to go outside and do cartwheels. I often wonder if it would have been nicer just staying in our apartment with the pool downstairs and the access to the city parks.

    Idilic upbringings hey……

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