Recently, my daughter Prima was asked the inevitable, “What do you want to be when you grow up?” question by my mother. Encouraged by her grandmother’s praise over her prolific art work, Prima declared that she wanted to be an artist. My mother duly affirmed her eight-year-old optimism with a, “That’s wonderful darling, you’ll be a brilliant artist.”
Prima then asked her grandfather what he thought about her career choice. Whilst I have always admired my father’s unwavering and unflinching honesty, I do wish he would calibrate his comments for his grandchildren sometimes. He said, “Well, if you want to be an artist, I will support you but I would really prefer it if you were a doctor, lawyer or accountant.”
When my father said “I will support you…” I wasn’t sure if he thought I was raising a dilettante; that Prima would never make a living and so he would have to do as all Sri Lankan patriarchs do and financially support her. My father seemed noticeably relieved when my son Secundo declared that he wanted to “be a banker, just like Daddy.”
After much thought, Prima then said she wanted to be a farmer’s wife. Not the actual farmer but the farmer’s wife. The Wife. Now I have never professionally aspired to be anyone’s wife so I was concerned*.
[*OK, this is not entirely true. When I was Prima's age, I aspired to be Han Solo's wife but that's because I wanted to be Princess Leia who was a fully emancipated woman, perfectly capable of leading an insurgency against the Empire.**
**OK, this is not entirely true either. In recent years I may have aspired to be Matt Damon's wife but we are ignoring that for the purpose of this post.]
My brain naturally went into overdrive (over-reaction). When I say naturally, I mean naturally for a highly-strung person. Where could she possibly have picked up this idea from and was it time to move Prima from her local state school to a more hardcore private girls’ school?
My poor little eight-year-old was then subjected to an afternoon of (attempted) re-education:
Me: Darling, women are allowed to own property now in most parts of the world; you could be the farmer, not the farmer’s wife.
Prima: But I want to marry a farmer.
Me: But darling, you will be as clever, capable and educated as any man. You could own and run the farm yourself. Actually the bank would probably own most of the farm but you could run it.
Prima: OK but can I marry a farmer?
Me: Yes darling, as long as you understand that generations of women have broken barriers for you, fighting for equal rights, equal opportunities and equal pay.
Prima: What’s a broken barrier, do they have them on farms?
Me: I don’t know darling, my point is that your generation of women, I mean girls, I mean you – you can choose to be anything you want to be.
Prima: OK, I want to be an artist. And a farmer’s wife.
Shankari Chandran is a recent returner after ten years in London. Formerly a social justice lawyer, she now uses her skills to keep the peace between her four children, a husband and a sometimes live-in mother-in-law. Shankari chronicles the day-to-day of her family’s return in her blog.
What did you want to be when you were growing up? Were your choices clouded by stereotypes?







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Let us not forget the barriers were broken so that we could have choice, not obligation.
Choice to have a career ambition, not obligation.
Choice to be a wife, not obligation.
If your daughter wants to be a wife, what is wrong with that? There is worse things she could have said.
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I’m a farmers wife, and an artist… after spending 15 years in corporate Australia in middle management I ran off and married a farmer.
Wouldn’t change it for the world. The older generation of farmers are still quite old fashioned, but the younger generations are a ‘one in, all in’ type, where you are part of the farm, not just the house/homestead.
Although there’s a huge amount of work involved in running a home/homestead for a farm – you can’t just drive down to the shops for a bit more milk, and your husband certainly doesn’t pick up bread on the way home. And farming men have often been raised with a deep respect for the work women perform in traditional homes – it’s a partnership, with the split of the work often linked to the fact that women are primary child carers due to breast feeding and stay in the home in the years after because it’s just as much hard work to keep the kitchen garden going, deal with the low water supply and blackouts etc, as it is to drive a tractor in circles all day.
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We recently had a similar situation, when my 10 yr old did an assignment. 20 years in my future. I was so excited until I read the first paragraph
10 years into my future I have 2 children a boy and a girl, and I am married to a rich man and I am a wife. WTF
I was so disappointed, why are you not the rich one? And ONLY a wife. I then calmed down and had a laugh, we want so much for our children, if my child marries someone that adores her and becomes a loved wife, I will be happy also.
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A four yo boy last year at the kids Christmas concert said he wanted to be a fairy. Most of the other boys wanted to be a TMNT.
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When my cousin was little he said he wanted to be a robber when he grew up. He is now training to be a policeman! Oh the irony.
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thank you for the smile this article (and all your other ones too) has brought to my face
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Just wondering if anyone asked Prima why she wanted to be a farmer’s wife? Sometimes the why can reveal so much more than the what.
I still don’t know what I want to be when I grow up and I’m 33! I have wanted to be various things including lawyer, journalist, forensic scientist, pathologist, psychologist, writer, graphic designer and makeup artist. Maybe one day I’ll finally figure it out.
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Prima said because “she wants to marry a farmer”. She’s eight. When I was eight I wanted to marry our dog. All very innocent.
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I understand she wants to marry a farmer, but WHY!!!
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I’m a mum of 2 preschoolers and prior to having kids I was a nurse with post graduate qualifications and also have a bachelor of science. Sometimes I wish I had no qualifications (although i am grateful i had the opportunity to study!) so that I could stay home guilt free, as being a mum and a wife is a busy jam packed full time job! I don’t want to not work as I feel it’s a waist of all my studies. My 4 year old wants to be a mum, and I said that’s a very important and teearding job, and you’ll make a good one! I think it’s most important kids do what makes them happy so each day isn’t a chore with the sole purpose of $$$!
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Julie you should feel no guilt for staying at home! If you screw up raising your kids nothing else will matter much so this is THE MOST important job I say!
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Thanks for another gem, Shankari.
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Can anyone think of a time they ever had a boy saying “I want to be a (something’s) husband.” Pretty much unthinkable I’d say. Isn’t that the point Shankari is making? Beautifully, as always. Looking forward to the next post!
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Thank you very much, I really appreciate it.
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My nine year old niece says she is going to be a dentist. Her and two of her friends have decided that they are going to invent the Royal Flying Dentist service and one friend is going to be the pilot, the other a second dentist. Their little entrepreneurial brains have worked out a whole business plan to visit schools in remote communities for dental checks and to talk to kids about dental hygeine. They have yet to recruit a dental hygeinist. These kids give me hope for a bright future for many young women in this country haha
(All three are identified intellectually gifted)
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The greatest gift that feminism has given us is coice! You can choose to do anything from gett married and raise children to be the PM and everything in between.
It makes me a little sad that feminism and the sacrifices of those that fought/fight for equal rights has somehow turned around to mean that simply wanting to be a wife and homemaker is a diminished choice. I hope my (yet to be born!!) daughters feel free to choose from either.
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I think (unconsciously) Prima has picked up on the current truths about Australian farming – that farms are extremely expensive to buy, that family farms tend to be inherited, that when they are they are passed down to sons, and that the most likely way for a city-born female to live on a farm is by marrying someone who owned a farm.
I am not suggesting that this is the fact in every case or even that this is the way of the future. In terms of ‘ownership’, in my experience of living in the country I have seen the following different scenarios:
* Women who inherited family farms from their fathers, and who own and run the farms jointly with their husbands
* A woman who received a farm as part of her divorce settlement
* Several women who continued to own and run family farms after the deaths of their husbands
* Some (city-born, professional) couples who made a tree-change and bought a family farm as a joint partnership.
I have also seen many other farms which were inherited by sons in the traditional way.
In my own limited experience succession plans for family farms are beginning to include daughters as well as sons, but not without a lot of negotiating and discussion and a fair degree of enlightened thinking.
All that aside, I don’t think Shankari was reacting against the notion that her daughter wanted to marry a farmer per se. I think she was reacting against her daughter describing herself in terms of her husband’s career – eg ‘a doctor’s wife’, ‘a lawyer’s wife’ etc. Many of my “farmer wife” girlfriends would never describe themselves as such – they would simply say they were farmers (or graziers if they ran cattle properties).
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Thank you very much for your comment. The only wife of a farmer that I know, describes herself as a farmer and rightly so. if there is anything to bequeath, it will almost certainly go to their son rather than their daughters – just as you say.
Personally I would like Prima to define herself by her self, her values, her achievements and her choices, not who she is married to (whatever his profession). She can choose to be a wife/partner and/or mother; and she can choose to be one/both of these things simultaneously with work/a career in the paid workforce. Equally she could choose not to be a wife, partner or mother. I really hope she chooses and works out some kind of income generating means (alone or with some one) though as I can’t see myself being able to pay for her forever!
Thank you again, I really enjoyed your comment.
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You’re welcome – I really enjoyed your article. It offered a fascinating insight into cross-cultural, cross-generational issues for your family. I admire the way you are determined for your daughter to have an independent and self-sufficient future. I have three daughters and hope the same for them.
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I’m really pleased you raised the point about values too Shankari. I personally find it kind of annoying that children are asked what they want to BE (expected answer: fireman, astronaut, doctor etc) as though when we grow up we’re the definition of what career we choose. In early childhood I think children perceive how adults behave (funny, nice, rude, cool, angry, gentle) rather than how they earn their money from 9-5. I believe far too much focus is given to career choices. We need to be focussing more on ethics/morals/however you wish to define this kind of stuff, and helping our children to be outward-looking, caring, generous and community-minded people. Oh, and whilst I am professional “career woman” I also think the choice of who you marry is far more self-defining than how you choose to earn your cash. So Primo might be on to something!
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I wanted to work in An Office (doing…anything, I suppose! I never established what ha ha) because I thought being an adult meant wearing a highly glamorous suit and swaggering around the city.
I then got a series of summer temp jobs in offices and realised that the whole thing bores me to tears, and having to find appropriate clothes is even worse.
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I went from wanting to be an air hostess, a lawyer, an airline pilot and then an army soldier. Didn’t end up anywhere near any of those!
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I am a farmers wife and it very far removed from the “just a wife” stereotype of the little woman in the kitchen baking pies.
I think roles have changed a lot over the past century and it includes farmers wives too.
I do anything my husband asks me to help him with and that is mustering, helping out with harvest, driving a tractor when he needs it, raring abondoned animals amongst other things.
In Australia, the woman has always had to help out on the farm where they could and I was told that my grandmother did all the work and ran the farm back when her brother went to war and there was no manpower available at the time.
Yes, women do all the domestic things too, but also as an aside to helping on the farm many women have jobs in town to supplement their farm income. Sometimes it is the only money coming in and having a second job for the wife is a necessity.
Times have changed, women and men on farms often work as a partnership and decision making is a joint thing.
Nothing wrong with wanting to be a farmers wife!
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“That’s wonderful darling, you’ll be a brilliant artist.”
…. this is when you should have said,”That’s wonderful darling, you’ll be a brilliant wife.”
However you spent time after hearing she wanted to be a wife re-educating her.
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I know, I wanted to point that out too.
Why not say “Darling you would be great on a farm!”
“What will you have on your farm?” etc.
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In recent months, after forking out lots of money to a solicitor ($200 for 45 min work) my dentist ($75 for 10 min work) and an excavator (I think I spelled that wrong, they rip tree stumps out of the ground- $400 for an hours work) I have decided my children can have any of these three careers!!!!
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My 24 year old recently graduated dentist friend makes around $200,000 a year. A. YEAR!!!
At 24.
When I grow up, I want to be a dentist.
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I wanted to be a writer/journalist/author. Still do.
My brother wanted to be a chef or a fireman. He now runs his own bistro. When my cousin was 5 she wanted to be a marine biologist. Now she’s 17 and wants to be a journalist.
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My mum tells me I wanted to be a Safeway check-out chick, and a part time ballerina and brain surgeon on the side. Bizarrely enough, I am none of those things today.
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But oddly enough apparently my grade four teacher told my mum I would be a lawyer one day. And now in my thirties I’m studying law. Sometimes they know us better than we know ourselves, I guess!
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Our 3 year old wants to be a horse with a pink moustache who is an elephant doctor – I hope she doesn’t grow out of it.
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We really need one of those around here. x
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I wanted to be Adriana Xenides.
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My 6yo daughter wants to be a tomboy rock star. Pretty cool I reckon.
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Two of my sons want to be a children’s doctor “like daddy” part of the time. The rest of the time they will share the driving of an ice-cream truck.
My 3 year old son wants to be a mummy. He gets EXTREMELY cross if anyone laughs at him or tries to tell him that this is not possible!! I think all he needs to know is that he can be whatever he wants to be!!
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My little sister wanted to be Mrs Whippy.
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LoL … I went through a Leia phase as well … can’t wait to see what my little lady comes out with, not yet 2 so a little young to be making life choices, although hairdressing appears to be the current favoured activity. My little man, proudly 4, wants to be a pirate captain, so at least we’ll be well looked after in later life!
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My 8 year old wants to be an artist and run an animal shelter. She says she doesn’t want kids. My 3 year old constantly talks about being a Mum when she’s big. They will both have my full support no matter what they end up doing. Feminism is about having the choice.
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Hah! LOVE this. My 9 yo wants to be a marine biologist or a ballerina. In her mind they are totally interchangeable- her only worry is about getting her tutu wet.
(Thansk for the comment on my last post- much appreciated! xx)
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She sounds wise and practical beyond her years. x
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My youngest say’s she is never getting a job or leaving home…her big sister told her she can still live at home but she needs to get a job because Mum and Dad will not have any money when they are old…
I wanted to be a Vet when I grew up…but there was NO way I was getting married or having kids…
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When my brother was young he wanted to be an Aboriginal. Then he changed to wanting to be the clown in the circus who drives the car and squirts water at people. I wanted to be a postie or a hairdresser. He is now a carpenter and I have a double degree in arts commerce and hold a complex admin role – things change – stress less!
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When i was little i wanted to be a Solid Gold dancer.
I am a graphic designer / stay-at-home-mum.
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I WANTED TO BE A SOLID GOLD DANCER TOO.
Snap.
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love this article Shank, My 5 year old’s current choice of career is ‘cooker’ or chef ( I think he has seen too much masterchef )
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We have one that wants to be a cooker too. I am seriously becoming a pressure cooker…
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I grew up on a farm and knew from an early age that I never wanted to be a farmer’s wife. With droughts and floods, locusts and mouse plagues there were just too many variables for my liking. I am now a teacher, I love the fact that my work can make a difference in the lives of young people and I also love that every fortnight I get a paycheque and my income doesn’t depend on the global economy or some freaky weather event.
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Honestly, I used to laugh at my friends who wanted to be farmer’s wives (having grown up on a farm, I knew it wasn’t all glamour and cute RM Williams outfits), but they wouldn’t be swayed. I even had one friend move to the bush to become a governess (after spending years as a professional). That lasted about six weeks as she didn’t appreciate the idea that she would be expected to actually do some physical work alongside being the governess, which is unfortunately the reality of the position. Actually, I’ve seen it a lot. Young girls moving to the bush to become governesses, hoping to snag rich station owners.
But good for Prima. If she sticks with it, she’ll absolutely learn the value of hard work. And like someone says below, isn’t this what feminism is all about – choice?
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I can’t help it, when I read governess I can’t help but picture someone making play outfits out of curtains while falling in love with a stern but spunky sea captain. Anyone? Just me then…
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I think this is sweet…reminds us of childhood innocence and how simple choices seemed to ne back then – even as a teenager-I had this great “life plan” and nothing has worked out exactly that way-I don’t know how I thought it ever would. It’s sweet that when we r that age all we want is to be a princess married to a prince-and that is all we would need to make us happy-because we are unaware of money and all the materials we will want and need In the future.
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When I was 3, we moved and our new GP was a lady. I remember being astounded at the discovery that ladies could be doctors – such an idea had never entered my mind before. I decided that day I wanted to be a doctor, which lasted until I was 15.
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I must admit I got a shock when I got on a plane in Europe and a woman’s voice came over the intercom: ‘Hello, this is your captain speaking’.
And this was only a few years ago! Funny how our brain decides (with help from stereotypes) that Doctor/Farmer/Pilot = man.
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I appreciate this piece is supposed to be a bit of light humour, but really….I fail to understand how women who consider themselves to be hard core feminists sprout this kind of shit. The message we should be giving our daughters is they can do whatever they want, which is the wonderful result that pioneering feminist gave us…CHOICE to be what we want and if a woman finds fulfilment in being a wife, then that is her choice – whether you deem it to be of value or not.
We have the choice, and I am so grateful to the women who went before me and made this possible.
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Growing up I wanted to be a farmer with a house on the farm for my mum to live in. I am now a teacher/homemaker and live 8 hours drive from my mums place.
My Miss 7 always wanted to be a vet, then after a school visit by an author, she now wants to be an author/illustrator.
Miss 5 has always wanted to be a babysitter. Not a teacher just someone who holds and plays with babies all day.
Miss 3 doesn’t want to have a job or be anything. “I just want to live at home with you forever.”
You just can’t win with some.
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When my now 6 yr old was 3 he said he wanted to be a frog when he grew up. He now wants to be Prime Minister. Think I liked the idea of a frog better.
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I wanted to be lots of things… a hairdresser, a shop owner, a vet, a ballerina, an olympic swimmer, a nurse, a teacher.
My 4 year old told me on the weekend she wanted to be an artist, a pilot and a vet. But that she will wear dresses when doing all of these things. No jeans. When she was a baby, this comment would have stressed me no end. But these days it doesn’t bother me at all. Everything is a phase…
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For the last couple of years my now 5 year old has been saying he wants to be a daddy when he grows up. Very sweet. One day we told him that he could be a daddy and something else. He was so very excited and said immediately Oh great, then I want to be a daddy and a builder!
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The four year-old me always wanted to be an artist (play group Picasso with the finger paints)… Then a story-teller (fairy-tale and Disney obsessed). That, eventually turned into illustrator and author.
Time passed and by grade six, it morphed yet again, into fashion designer (which I completed my studies in this year!) and more recently, post graduation (not to leave my literary dreams out of the equation) fashion editor.
I tell the tale a little more eloquently on my new blog:
http://thesagestylista.wordpress.com/about/
Ahhh, the signs were always there!
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I want to know what Prima thinks the life of a farmers wife would be like – in her mind it’s obviously AMAZING, if she can make that happen then power to her!
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I wanted to be a writer. Then a lawyer who would write John Grisham style novels. Then a legal aid lawyer or prosecutor. Now I am actually a lawyer but work in finance and desperately want to make a living cooking…
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I reckon if you wanted to write John Grisham style books, you definitely need legal aid or DPP experience…I mean, who could write a book anyone (other than fellow lawyers) would find exciting…about finance, commercial litigation or corporate law?!! I work in defendant insurance (i.e. acting for the insurance companies defending PI claims), so I can glean some fun stories, but I used to do commercial litigation and I could not find a novel there!!!
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I wanted to be exactly that – a farmer’s wife! It’s just a phase
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At age 2, my little sister wanted to be a crocodile…
At age 3, she wanted to be a fairy…
She’s 4 now and switches between wanting to be a witch or a princess…
My little sister is definitely embracing the concept of ‘you can be anything you want to be’!!!!
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I’ve always wanted to be a mummy and a housewife and stay home and iron my husband’s shirts and make the kids lunch and keep the house nice for the family.
I’m encouraging my daughter to do the same and telling her not worry her pretty little head with all this doctors and lawyers nonsense.
Choice sisters, choice. That’s what feminism is all about.
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This is a pretty harmless and cute story. But sadly I do think it’s just a little bit symptomatic of the shitty attitudes our society still generates about what we can and can’t aspire to be. Despite wearing a pretty loud feminist badge and being alive in 2011, I am told on a fairly regular basis that I should just marry a rich guy and not worry too much about getting a decent job in a field I find interesting (I’m a recent graduate trying to find my feet). My favourite line from a male relative was ‘don’t worry, women have it easier’ – meaning hey, it’s okay, if all else fails you can just settle down and be a wife. No need to win bread for the household if you can pop out babies instead! Offensive x many levels.
I just can’t imagine boys are growing up thinking, or being told, that a good thing to aspire to be is someone’s husband – or that they can cop out on a career by finding a nice rich wife to look after them.
also, I’m taking this opportunity to blame The Farmer Wants A Wife.
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I totally relate! Coming from a conservative, highly-academic Indian family, The whole ‘Marriage thing’= Security factor!
Apparently it is a less risky route for this fashionista girl who wears heels that puts her head in the clouds… Somehow, my dreams do not sound ‘reliable’ enough to my family (they have total faith in my intelligence, determination and abilities, YES, but they STILL see marriage as a safety net). Alas.
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I see a university degree/trade qualification/tafe qualification as a security net, not marriage!! Can’t take your qualifications away, but you’ve got a 1 in 3 chance the marriage might fail!
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Thank you, whippersnapper! I completely agree. I do believe Lady Gaga once said:
“Some women choose to follow men, and some women choose to follow their dreams. If you’re wondering which way to go, remember that your career will never wake up and tell you that it doesn’t love you anymore.”
― Lady Gaga
I graduated with an Advanced Diploma in Fashion Design & Technology mid-year, at 19, and I will be pursuing a dual degree in journalism and communication next year.
Definitely gonna make my own safety net
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When I was 3, I wanted to be an eskimo, because I believed that an eskimo was a woman who was both a doctor and a mum.
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How did you arrive at the conclusion that is what eskimo means? It’s a pretty cool word though, I know a lot of doctor mummys, Eskimo sounds better!
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