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brendan and lola 300x199 Dealing with the loss of a child. A mans perspective

Brendon and his daughter Lola photo by Gavin Blue of Heartfelt

 

 

 

 

My wife, Tania, was lying back with her tummy exposed at our appointment for the twelve week scan. A grainy image of our new baby appeared on the computer screen and as I made a point to mention that we’d like a photo to take home with us I noticed the lack of activity in the arms and legs and before the ultrasonographer said, ‘I don’t think this is good news’ I knew it was dead. When she moved the probe and shook it across Tania’s stomach our baby floated lifelessly to the bottom of the womb. That image (which my mind stubbornly clings to) signaled the beginning of some surprisingly intense grieving.

I reached out and held Tania’s hand. She was asking questions about appointments, when exactly the baby might have died, the procedure that was needed to remove it. She was upset but she was handling it so well that I was almost angry at what was happening inside me. I was just about ready to fall apart but the thought of crying in front of other people had me fighting hard. I attempted to rationalize myself to a ‘stronger’ position; ‘It’s not even a real baby yet,’ I told myself, ‘Just a collection of cells.’ But my rational mind continued to be overwhelmed by that image. I saw my real baby there – the slope of his forehead, the promise of warmth in the chub of his cheeks, the limbs that should have been reaching and kicking.

Even though it was not logical I felt that I had let him die alone. That I wasn’t there to help him as he died. And to let him down even more, to completely abandon him, I was just going to let them throw him away.

Days of grief became weeks but to most people around me I was handling it well. Only Tania really saw moments of the raw emotion but even then I had a blanket over it. My main concern, right from the word go, had been to ensure that she was looked after – physically as well as emotionally.  I set up a bed in the lounge room, dealt with condolences and most enquiries into her welfare, took care of all the household and child related chores. Keeping busy and focusing on Tania steadied me and took the focus away from my own grief. When things quieted down the emotions became overwhelming, their intensity disturbed and confused me, and I was left to battle myself again – it wasn’t even a real baby, I had never held it, I didn’t experience it physically like Tania.

The questions and concerns were generally directed towards me but in nearly all cases were about Tania. And even though I appreciated the enquires into her welfare I began to feel as if I wasn’t entirely involved. It was as if this was only Tania’s experience. I’d already done enough to talk myself out of the grief I was feeling but every time someone skirted passed me to enquire about Tania an underlying belief was reaffirmed – as a man I wasn’t supposed to be feeling this way.

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Sally, Simon and baby Hope, photo by Gavin Blue of Heartfelt

Months later through a series of coincidences I met Sally and Simon Heppleston and learnt about their own story of loss. In 2008 they were prepared for their world to change when they attended a routine ante-natal appointment late in their pregnancy. They had created space in their lives – a new baby seat in the car, a new cot in the decorated nursery, a collection of infant jumpsuits and beanies. All of it awaiting animation through a new life.

Their pregnancy had been without problems and when Sally went into early labor there was the joyous feeling that they were almost there. But Sally became concerned when the labor hadn’t progressed three days later, and she couldn’t feel any movement from her normally active baby.

The world did change for Sally and Simon but not the way they expected it to. When the doctor performed the scan they could see there was no heartbeat. As Sally screamed out in disbelief Simon bottled an uprising of emotion to honor his overwhelming desire to lessen the impact on Sally.

Pushing his own grief aside became a common theme, especially in the early days. He displaced emotion by focusing on the new list of tasks that needed to be completed; phone calls, discussions with doctors and nurses, referrals, appointments, questions from well meaning family and friends. But even when there was a moment to spare Simon, understandably, still channeled all his energy into the care of Sally, who was suffering physically as well as emotionally.

The following day Sally was induced and delivered their stillborn baby, Hope Heppleston. The surreal experience for Mum and Dad was both horrific and beautiful. Hope appeared to be sleeping; a perfect baby in every way.

Inside, Simon had been torn apart but to the outside world he was doing his job and was in control. His experience of child loss mirrored my own. ‘I kept telling myself that I hadn’t really lost a baby,’ he told me. ‘I hadn’t carried her for nine months like Sally. I told myself that I hadn’t lost a real baby, just the idea of a baby.’

By devaluing the enormity of the loss Simon was trying to achieve a goal which is common of men – to harness control over emotion. His sense of duty towards Sally’s healing held him aloof from his own: ‘When Sally was feeling happier; I felt I had to appear happy as well, just to keep her there. And then when she was feeling down I still felt I had to put up a happy front to help her out of it.’

Gavin Blue is the President of Heartfelt – a group of professional photographers who offer their services free of charge to provide beautiful and tasteful photographic memories for couples who have lost children. After he and his wife lost their own daughter, Alexandra Charlotte Blue, in 2006 Gavin noticed a gap in the healing process – many couples went home with no tangible proof of their loss.

Heartfelt’s services offer a lasting acknowledgement of a baby or child’s life. They assist couples who have suffered stillbirths, or have premature and ill infants, children in the Neonatal Intensive Care Units of their local hospitals and children with serious and terminal illnesses.

Gavin’s work has brought him in to contact with many couples dealing with the trauma Simon and Sally experienced. As an observer I asked him how he thought most men coped. ‘Initially, it’s just about getting your wife through,’ he says, ‘Guys know they have a job to do. There’s really no chance at that point to focus on themselves or to even share their grief.’

When I ask Gavin how he thought men coped generally, the tone of his voiced underpinned the real struggle, ‘There is such pain but you just see hollowness in their eyes. You hear nurses whispering that he’s ‘just not there yet.’ You see the men get passed over a lot initially and you just hope they have someone to talk to when all the busyness is over and the go back to their lives.’

And long term? Are men able to grieve properly? ‘Lots of couples break up after the loss of a child. And I really think this has a lot to do with the gap in the grief experience of the husbands and the wives.’

Maybe the key here is the disparity between men and women when it comes to having access to grief. When Tania talked openly about the details of her experience with some of her female friends I found I was fighting a rising feeling of resentment. But it is only after writing this article that I can see that resentment for what it truly is – jealousy.

When Simon’s friends organized a day’s golfing shortly after his loss, he thought there would be some open discussion about what had happened to him. But some handshaking and backslapping ended a full day of ‘male bonding’ without the subject being raised at all. The closest I came to discussing my loss with male friends was to get an acknowledgement from a few mates that their wives had also had a miscarriage. My first thoughts on this were that ‘society’ makes it incredibly difficult for men to experience emotion. But now I think that’s only partly true.

At the height of my grief I was in my backyard gym, locked away from view. When family and friends came to visit Simon he would straighten himself up, dry his eyes and hide the depth of his emotion. He told me he felt, ‘left out and forgotten about’ but admitted to feeling ‘weird’ when friends occasionally asked after him, ‘I’d give a stock standard answer and then redirect it back to Sally,’ he said.

It’s true that people didn’t ask after us as often as they asked about our partners but maybe that’s because, as men, we have a way of ensuring that doesn’t happen. I’d imagine Simon’s buddies would have also felt a desire to bring up the subject that day on the golf course but then they would have had to deal with the very real possibility that Simon would have broken down. And now I’m remembering a phone call I received from a mate on the day the baby was ‘removed’ from Tania. I was offered something real from a man who had gone through the same experience but I fought back tears, avoided answering directly and ended the phone call with a forced steady voice.

From a very early age boys and men are directed away from emotion. When we express it we often feel embarrassment and regret. Getting past this requires a giant leap over generations of training.

Is there a way to take this leap?

Gavin thinks there is. He’s all for the traditional mate-ship rituals like attending a sporting event, or getting together for a beer but says it needs to be taken a step further. ‘The best response to my loss came from a man I didn’t even know that well. We were at dinner and he just asked me straight forward questions about it. He listened to my responses and delved deeper. He didn’t avoid anything and he didn’t let me gloss over anything either.’

Maybe that’s what’s needed. The gentle focus of one brave man at a time. As more men are willing to mark out the first steps – to reveal their emotion, or to sit with the emotions of other men – we just might be able to take that collective giant leap.

If this post has brought up any difficult or painful feelings or you need someone to talk to please call Kids and SIDS 24 hour bereavement support line on 1300 308 307.

 

 

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133 Comments so far

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  2. Sandra

    Thank you for sharing such a personal story. It was so beautifully written and has stayed with me all day. The images that is amazing organization produces are incredible. Full of love, respect and peace. I cannot imagine going through something like this, and I thank the beaUtiful families for sharing these touching images. My heart is full of emotions from these images. Thank you for reminding us how special and precious life, families and love are.

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  3. megsymes

    I cannot begin to tell you how pleased I am that there is Heartfelt in Australia. I had my sons Blake and Caleb in 1992 and while the nurses were wonderful in every way towards me and my then husband, the photos I have of my boys have them wrapped in chux cleaning cloths because the hospital had run out of baby blankets. I feel so blessed to be their mother but it would have made such a difference to my life had Heartfelt been involved. Thank you for providing this much needed service.

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  4. IsoftSuff

    Hi!
    like you post: to my @amsaquli twitter

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  5. Fiona Dixon @ Oh Gorgeous Baby

    Clint, this is an excellent article that you should be proud of for sharing. I am sorry that you and your wife lost a child. I also feel for simon,Gavin and their families as well. Heartfelt do such a wonderful job. I appreciate the insight into this situation as I have had no experience in loss personally but sadly know too many who have. I however had a premmie baby (27weeker) and I think it is the same for men who experience this as well. Men are often forgotten about but they also do a great job of not allowing people in as well. I’m not sure how we are suppose to fix this? I have a 10 year old son and he was 5 when we experienced this highly stressful time with his sisters premature birth. I hope boys and men in our future feel it is okay to open up and show their emotions.
    Well done again for sharing.

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  6. kelly30

    I have had both a miscarriage and an ectopic pregnancy in which I was told was a miscarriage and ended up in ED waiting 8 hours to see a doc to have a scan and then found out I needed emergency surgery as I had serious internal bleeding.

    Upon leaving the hospital I was told ” Keep trying and you might get it right next time” – that comment has stayed with me for 3 years – beyond the birth of my daughter 2 years ago – the feelings and emotions are still as raw as they were on that day.

    Baby loss is taboo – no one will talk about it and unless you have experienced a loss in any trimester you can’t understand the emotional roller coaster that comes with the experience.

    Bless all the babes who were too precious for this world

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  7. Anonymous

    Everyone should ease up on Isobel. I see what she was saying, which I don’t think was to denigrate the pain others were expressing, merely to put the losses of our western lives into perspective. I have just lost a dearly wanted niece at 39 and a half weeks, and I waver constantly between being heartbroken and teary, and thinking it’s just life, bad things happen to everyone, why should they not happen to my family? Sometimes putting it into a broader perspective actually helps with the grief, or at least, it does for mine. Interesting, also, that this story is being so discussed while elsewhere on the website there are people pondering how many children is the right number to have.

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  8. Guest

    I saw this article and a survey which was recently put out during mens health week
    http://godadgo.com.au/health/article.aspx?from=Family&id=48&subid=&aid=948 which everyone should read and fill in the survey linked to it.

    As everyone highlights it is difficult to find information and there does not seem to be much in the way of support for men going through this type of trauma and something must be done about it. (I know first hand after losing my second child at two days old).

    By filling in the survey attached to the godadgo article and providing your input may just begin to help change the face of mens support in Australia.

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  9. anon

    My wife and I have tried for a number of years now to have a baby, including several cycles of IVF – she did become pregnant on two attempts but miscarried – the first was the hardest as we had a scan at 7 weeks, and there was a heartbeat suggesting all was well, and needless to say we thought this was the time it was going to work, and the excitement was very high. But at 11 weeks there was spotting, and another scan showed the size to be only that of about 8 weeks with no heartbeat.

    We know the greiving you have had to go through, and I can definitely identify with your feelings of having to hide you emotions as a man. A few years on and seeing the scan photo or remembering the experience, I can’t help but burst into tears, but only in private of course.

    It’s hard, but I’m sure there are many of us out there with similar experiences – it is so how reassuring that we are not alone in what we have been through, despite the heart wrenching emotions it has brought upon us.

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  10. Clint-Greagen

    I’ve only just finished reading through the comments and I am blown away by the strong responses. This issue really does get swept under the carpet for some reason and contributes to a lot of (silent) suffering. Nothing worse than feeling a sense of shame – as if you’re weak, or unusual in your emotional response. It was a great affirming experience for me writing the article and learning about Heartfelt and the experiences of Sally and Simon, and Gavin and his wife. And reading the comments here is just as affirming. Thanks to everyone for sharing your stories and making it okay to discuss this topic. Please follow the links and join the Heartfelt facebook page.

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  11. Isabel's last word

    Pity me not
    with your contempt
    for my lack of passion
    shown to those
    whose sufferings
    I could not spare
    nor to whom no
    no timely condolence
    could be given.

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  12. Gavin Blue

    Thanks Clint for being open and sharing your story. It goes along way to raising awareness of this often silent pain and awareness about the very special services of Heartfelt.

    I have always been very open about our experience of our little girl dying, and I can’t tell you the number of people especially older people who came up to me to share their stories, often starting as if they were telling me a secret that has never been spoken.

    Having the opportunity to share about your child helps immensely with grieving.

    As a member of Heartfelt, it is an honour to be able to give this gift to families.

    Thank you

    Gavin Blue, Heartfelt President

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    • mamaofhope

      Thank YOU Gavin. We’ll always be so grateful you came in to our lives, even though it was under the most horrific of circumstances.
      And thanks again to Clint for writing this article and sharing his own personal pain. Glad to know you both.

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  13. Peanut

    I am so sorry for your loss, Clint.

    What a beautiful service Heartfelt is offering.

    It’s just so unbelievably devastating for parents to have to go through.

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  14. Amanda

    What a deeply moving piece, and how true. So often do we expect men to be tough and brave while it’s okay for women to show emotion, to greive openly and to mourn. It’s not the same but when my son was in NICU every comment and question was about me, my son or our older child at home, not once was my husband asked how he was coping.

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  15. bernadettemorley

    You are right, it does sound like “The gentle focus of one brave man at a time.” is what is needed. I am so sorry for your loss.

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  16. Anonymous

    What a beautiful and inspiring article. I am so sorry for your loss and for the loss of all the other beautiful babies that never got to live any more than in their parents hearts. I cannot possible imagine the pain and the loss these people must experience.
    I have wondered a lot about fathers and grief too. i have seen friends experience the tragedy of a loss,and I just see the strength of their husbands – they often continue to having to go to work, or go back to work fairly quickly, (perhaps there is stigma that does not allow them or thier bosses dont support them to take time off?) the husbands, look after their wife, answer the door to all the visitors, maintain the household and seem to just soldier on with little acknowledgement that they too have experienced the loss of a life they have created. Any grief services offered should def include both parents.
    It is so inspiring that someone who has lost so much themselves can then help others to remember their precious ones by using their professional skills as a photographer and provide this service.
    I will read the rest of these replies with tears streaming down my face rubbing my 23 week belly sending lots of love to my little one.
    Thank you so much for sharng

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  17. UnspokenGrief

    Such a beautiful & heartfelt post. Thank you for sharing your voice of pain and helping to remove the stigma of such a loss. I am so sorry. xxo

    Devan McGuinness
    Founder/Director
    UnspokenGrief.com

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  18. AllUCanBe (Barb)

    Just had to say this was one of the most moving pieces I’ve read on grief and loss. I was very touched by the tender stories shared by everyone and the amazing video by Heartfelt.

    I love posts that are thought provoking, and yours really brought up the point about how men are often ignored with a life shattering experience like this, and by you writing this article, you’ve shed light on this issue and hopefully will cause others, myself most definitely, to conduct ourselves differently. We as a society need to encourage men to express their emotions just as women do from an early age on. Let go of all the myths/stigma/beliefs that make them feel less if they do express these emotions. I have one son, always encouraged him to express how he was feeling and gave him the words to express the different emotions so he’d feel comfortable in expressing, discussing and feeling them. Makes for a much healthier human experience.

    Thank you to all those who came forward to share their very intimate and personal stories of pain and loss. My heart goes out to all of you for your losses. I am always moved and inspired by those who take a tragedy and help others with it.

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  19. Anna Sparkle

    Thankyou so very much for your story – i read with tears streaming down my face and am typing through them now. I cannot even comprehend the depth of grief of losing a baby – i have had one pregnancy and now have a 6month old baby boy who i am every day so grateful for. Even reading about other people’s loss and seeing these beautiful photos tears my heart out
    a couple of years ago my brother and his wife lost their first baby around the 12wk mark. it was heartbreaking, and yet i realise now that at the time i never really reached out and asked my brother how he was or if he needed to talk, i always just asked how his wife was. i feel awful about that.

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  20. jetmum

    Thank for sharing such a beautifully written & honest piece of writing. Every word rang true for me, and, I believe, described perfectly my husband’s experience when our firstborn son was stillborn 6 years ago.

    I found this poem in the very early days following our loss & gave it to my husband, as a small way of acknowledging that I knew he was hurting too. But, lost in my own world of pain & grief I never knew just how much, until much, much later when he was finally able to exhale & acknowledge the immense pain he had been suppressing for my sake.

    It must be very difficult to be a man in grief
    Since ‘men don’t cry’ and ‘men are strong’
    No tears can bring relief.
    It must be very difficult to stand up to the test
    And field calls and visitors so she can get some rest
    They always ask if she’s all right and what she’s going through
    But seldom take his hand and ask ‘my friend, but how are you?’
    He hears her crying in the night and he thinks his heart will break
    And dries her tears and comforts her, but stays ‘strong’ for her sake
    It must be very difficult, to start each day anew
    And try to be so very brave, he lost his baby too….

    Unknown author

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  21. Kate

    What a beautifully written story, thank you for sharing. My husband found the grief really hard too.

    The work that Heartfelt do is amazing. I think the world is a better place because people are kind enough to use their photography talent for strangers at such a sad moment. Being let into someone’s life at a time of such grief must be hard too.

    What beautiful photos of such precious little people who mean so much to their Mummy and Daddy.

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  22. Sandy

    Thank you for sharing your story, Clint. We had a number of miscarriages before our first living child was born. All during that pregnancy and the second we lived with our hearts in our mouths. We had two healthy children. Then more miscarriages. After 17 years we conceived another. At 22 weeks I began to bleed and I’ve never forgotten the heart stopping fear we both felt.

    Thankfully our last boy arrived safely and is a joyous child who brings so much light and love into our lives. My husband never got any attention on how he dealt with the miscarriages. He deserved to have his feelings and pain acknowledged.

    I see him now as he supports and mentors other men in his role as a nurse. He encourages them to express their feelings and allow themselves to be real. Even though there was no one to do that for him (including myself) he has stepped up to help other men over some of the rough ground in life. And there are many other men doing the same – thankfully.

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  23. Isabel

    Sally, running out of room for a reply. Of course your daughter deserves a name and I am truly sorry for your loss. I am aware that I am coming across like a hardhearted old whatsis, but I would like you (and others) to understand it is because some of us (as nurses) broke our hearts when delivering a still born baby who at that time was given no name nor a recognised place of burial. It is the accumulated rage and outrage which has brought about, or at least contributed to, the changes which enable today’s increased understanding. Personally, I have never found that a trouble shared was a trouble halved as it seemed to me that someone shucked their burden onto my shoulders without asking how great a load I was already carrying. Sharing my troubles with another has never seemed to lighten the burden, but only highlighted the fact of it being there. There are some things one simply cannot change.
    We none of us know enough about the other and we none of us fully appreciate the disparate attitudes which prevail between generations. More notifications popping up in my inbox. Perhaps instead of sitting here in retreat with other aging novelists I should write an article instead?

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    • mamaofhope

      Bowing out now. I should have gone with my gut on this one and just bitten my tongue. Because this is now taking away from the heart and soul of this piece, and that is the grief a father feels when he loses his child.
      You continue to grieve the way that works for you, and I’ll do the same.
      Good night.

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  24. Kristalee

    That first picture is of my husband Brendon and my daughter Lola. I’d love to see her acknowledged under that photo.

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  25. dkmum

    Thanks for bringing this to our attention! Both my sister’s have lost babies, one at a few days old, and the other through miscarriage, and yes, I cared about myself and my sisters, but never even considered the loss and grief their husbands would have felt. I feel horrible now…

    I hope through time you will find more outlets for your grief!

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  26. Amy

    Clint, your story is so sad, yet beautifully written. My father, once a councellor, used to belong to and later councelled a men’s group which focused on men discussing their feelings and worries and learning how to express them. To this day my Dad remains a fierce advocate for men to be able to openly share their grief, and he has passed this on to me. We often talk about how strong women are, which is so very true – yet sometimes I fear that we forget how strong men are also. You have helped your partner carry the burden of her grief, on top of your own, and for this I am astounded. I hope that for you and Tania your pain gets easier to deal with, and I am grateful that you have shared your story. I hope that one day men will more commonly feel they too can openly grieve, and I understand that in part it is to do with shouldering the grief of their partners, but I know right now part of it is how society treats men and their emotions. Just a gorgeous article.

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  27. Antria

    What a powerful story! Thankyou :)

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  28. Tara

    Wow thank you for bringing such am important topic to light. I can’t even imagine the pain you must go through

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  29. august

    So appreciative of this content, MamaMia team (and Clint). Thank you.

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  30. ladybird73

    I’m too scared to look at the Heartfelt site becasue I’m at work and I”ll cry, but I wish they had been around when I lost my daughter at 39 weeks 17 years ago…
    The father of my child, we broke up the month before it all went wrong at 34 weeks, was really messed up about for a long time, losing the baby brought back a lot of stuff for him about losing his father a few years before and ti’s tru ethere wasn’t the same level of support for him as there was for me. People were especially unsympathetic because he’d broken up with me so late in the pregancy. I didn’t feel badly against him though, it was too much for him to cope with and keeping the baby had been my choice. When I found out I was pregnant, we had split and he was away in Europe and there was no email, no way to contact him at all, so I made the decision on my own. Once I told him, he was on board but once he came home the reality of the situation sunk in and he realised he just wasn’t ready for so much responsibilty

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  31. Anonymous

    Thank you so much for your courage and generosity in sharing this. I recently miscarried and my husband was shocked at the amount of grief that both of us felt. There needs to be acknowledgement of and space for men to grieve such a loss.

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  32. chocolate aeroplane

    Thanks for sharing your story Clint – I’m so sorry for your loss.

    We have been blessed with three healthy children and every day I look at them, so grateful we have not had to suffer the loss that you have (and others who are commenting here). Both of my brother’s wives have had miscarriages. One brother who is fairly ‘no-nonsense’ and ‘what-you-see-is-what-you-get’ openly admitted to me that he ‘bawled his eyes out’ for a couple of weeks afterwards but it was in private as he needed to stay strong for his wife. In the case of my other brother, I found out from my sis-in-law that he ‘took it really hard’ and still has his moments all these years later. I remember feeling relieved that she was aware of how he felt as I can imagine in many cases that doesn’t happen. It certainly made me aware that men grieve just as much and need the space to do so.

    I watched a follow-up story on the Keep family the other day who lost their 23 month old baby girl in the Queensland floods. I could see the emotion in Matt Keep’s face and hear it in his voice. He seemed to just be holding it together as he spoke of their loss. I really felt for him as I imagined he has probably had to be so strong and hold it together for his wife who has been through such an horrific ordeal.

    Steve Biddulph has a lot to say about men in his book “Manhood” – he wrote it awhile back but I’ve bought a copy for just about every male member of my immediate family – including my husband. It’s a good read.

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  33. carolinehutchison

    Highly recommend blog called grievingdads.com for dads going through this.

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  34. JosieY

    Thank you for sharing your story. On a much lesser note (but similar idea) my husband suffered from pnd after the birth of our first child and is showing signs of it as again as I come up to 39 weeks. I would love for him to talk to someone about it but he won’t – he’s very non verbal at the best of times. I wish I could help more…

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    • Antria

      Maybe he is having difficulty with adjustment (this can lead to depression, and is common in dads). If he isn’t willing to seek help, you could call Parentline on his behalf and see if they have any good ideas :) .

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    • Elbe

      JosieY, encourage him to call PANDA on 1300 726 306. Support calls are taken from 9am to 7pm Monday to Friday and it would give him an opportunity speak with someone anonymously. We also have male counsellors if that would help him. Or, if he’s reluctant, check out Fact Sheet No 9 on PANDA’s website. http://www.panda.org.au/practical-information/information-for-men
      All the best.

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  35. SamGW

    This is one of the most beautiful and important articles that I’ve seen on Mamamia. My friend is in the middle of her fourth miscarriage and I am glad when I’ve spoken to her that I asked after her husband but I realise now that at the moment he is just focussed on her. I will make sure I ask how he is in a few weeks when they are past all the appointments.

    Beautiful article and that Heartfelt site is incredible.

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    • ladybird73

      Might be good to ask him personally how he is…rather than asking her? You sound like a good friend x

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  36. Ladybug

    thank you for sharing your painful experience. I have 2 children from a previous relationship. My new partner lost his child late in the pregnancy and he eventually broke up with his fiance. As a mother I can understand his grief but after reading this I realise he was never allowed to grieve, it was all about his fiance and supporting her through her grief.

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  37. Gabbie

    Thank you Clint for a new perspective on sadly, an all too familiar subject for me.
    Since losing our daughter Billie at 37 weeks just over 6 years ago, I have watched too many friends experience the same pain in losing a child who was stillborn. I have shared beautiful, bittersweet memories of our babies with the mums but never with the dads.
    My own husband was an amazing pillar of strength for me then and has only recently publicly acknowledged the fact that he is the father of 3 children, two boys and a girl. i think it was easier for him to say 2 boys when anyone asked if he had children than to deal with the pitying looks

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  38. Mango

    This is such a beautiful sharing. Thank you.

    In the interests of reciprocating, I felt my own uprising of emotion at the sentence: ‘Hope appeared to be sleeping; a perfect baby in every way.’

    The words ‘perfect baby’ are difficult for me. I thought I had a perfect baby when I gave birth but over the ensuing months and years a severe disability manifested. I love my baby and could not love more even if my child was what people normally mean when they say ‘perfect’ (that is, a regular child without a disability).

    I still feel aggrieved when people tell me they are lucky because they have a perfect baby (presumably, unlike me).

    Dealing with grief is difficult in every circumstance and my own partner’s grief at the situation was subsumed by my own. After I had adjusted, he had his own crisis of grief much later.

    The experience of my child is in a way an ongoing loss, and I have bad days. My partner is self-aware but I sometimes wonder whether he would benefit from a chat with the ‘gentle focus of one brave man’ every now and then.

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  39. bronwynmarquardt

    I’m so sorry for your loss, and your pain, but I thank you for sharing it. So important for men to talk about their own grief. They have their own set of issues – like having to be strong for the mother – that sometimes they get lost. It’s a reminder to reach out to Dads who have lost a child, and that they need our love and support just as much as their partners do. Bronnie (Maid In Australia)

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  40. Karina

    My husband and i experienced the same tragedy only 8 weeks ago. We lost our baby girl at 14 weeks. He hasn’t been open with his emotions even when i tried to talk about it which i don’t do any more.
    After reading this it is possible he is doing the “its about her not me” and “i should try to make her happy not sad” thing but i still wish he would talk about it. I try to bring it up and i hate the brushing over it thing people do, i ache over it and would love nothing more than to walk in the room and find him crying about it.
    This has made me realise he may be bottling it up rather than sweeping it under the rug like i thought he was, so thank you Clint for this moving uninhibited version of loss from a mans perspective.

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  41. marimba

    When I had a miscarriage at 20 weeks after a perfect ‘by the book’ pregnancy, my husband was my rock. After he left the hospital that day, he rang his mum, my parents and later admitted that it was only when he got home that he cried, I told him then that it was great that he did cry. His grief reflected on his health and two weeks later, a flu-like illness that he usually would have coped with easily, turned into pneumonia. It was pretty scary. In the end we got through it together, but it has made each subsequent pregnancy of mine a majorly stressful experience.
    Thank you for sharing your story and I hope it will mean that men everywhere will realise that they too need to grieve – women talk, men tend to bottle it up. the problem is, the issue surfaces sooner or later and the sooner the better I think.

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    • Karina

      Well said. x

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    • august

      Reminds me of my dad who got sooo sick in the weeks after my mum’s funeral.

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  42. katec

    This post has me rethinking a conversation with my husband last night. We lost our 9 week baby early in April and when people ask me how he has coped with it I tell them that he has seemed to be more worried about me than anything else. Which is true. He’s not someone who accesses emotion easily, but I think he might have tried to last night and I shut him down.
    He remarked, in response to a comment of mine, that he’d much rather have a miscarriage than a stillbirth because this had been hard enough. I got defensive, because I’ve become sensitive to people belittling my right to grieve and because he regularly says things without realising they are hurtful, but now I think he meant hard for him. I’ve given so much attention to the baby and myself that I think I need to put some effort in some time with him.
    Thankyou Clint.

    http://www.withoutpeanut.com

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  43. Isabel

    There was a time in the not too distant past when a child was not given a name until surviving the first twelve months. There is a place within Australia where I have sat with a woman who had lost 6 of her ten children and wondered how the hell she managed when I had such a hard time dealing with the death of one.
    A miscarriage? There was a time, for me, early sixties when a doctor would tell you that this was Nature’s way of dealing with a ‘mistake’ and it was likely that something had gone amiss in its development early on. Thus it was something for which one should be grateful. When did the expectation that all would be perfect arise?
    There was a time when we had to guess at the gender and the first glimpse was after birth. There was a time men went to the pub instead of the labour ward and I know that if my husband ever wanted sex again after seeing me in labour I would think the less of him.
    Some things were, and I believe should still be, women’s business. Reading all the responses, I think it must be wonderful to have lived a life where one can indulge in emotion. Hurt cuts deep; don’t keep picking at the scab and accept the scar such pain leaves behind.
    I appreciate I will be regarded as lacking compassion and accept that in the knowledge there are so many other people in this world who would love to have the luxury of such emotions instead of just having to get on with it.

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    • An Idle Dad

      You don’t sound like you have a lack of compassion, it sounds like you’ve got unresolved issues and perhaps, are a little bitter about society becoming a better place.

      It’s not about reopening wounds to give our life meaning, it is about cleaning them so they don’t fester.

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      • Isabel

        Not bitter in the least, just very grateful I am not of my mother’s generation where my second child would have died within a week of being born and I would have died giving birth to my third. As for society becoming ‘better’, better for whom? I am okay as are my children, but there are a great many in remote areas of Australia who have to handle ten times the problems with less than a tenth of the support or understanding. Any issues I may still have pale into insignificance by comparison to the point I would be embarrassed to complain.

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        • An Idle Dad

          Better for Dads. Better for their partners. Better for men and women in general. Better for children, with Dads who haven’t drunk themselves to death or without Mums with PND.

          I struggle that you’d be upset that women in remote areas have less support and your answer is less support for everyone? What kind of backwards logic is that?

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          • Isabel

            As I understand it, counselling for PND comes after the event. There is the normal 3-day “baby blues” while the hormones scoot around finding the best level. Then there is PND which can result in psychosis or suicidal ideation. The counselling comes after the fact of presenting with PND. (You better believe I know that of which I speak!) As for Dads drinking themselves to death as a consequence of going to the pub instead of being exposed to situations for which they would then need counselling and comfort. Going to a pub does not necessarily a drunkard make and not all drunks go to pubs.
            I guess the point I am trying to make about support is that some learn the hard way they just have to get on with while others take longer to cotton onto this fact of life and we all have to share watching them learn. It does not ease your burden of pain to know that I carry such a load myself. In the not too distant past almost every family/parent had lost at least one child. To parade this pain is no help to anyone. All anyone can do is say “I am sorry for your loss” and move on.

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            • An Idle Dad

              You misunderstand my comment about men drinking, on purpose, methinks. But in any case, I couldn’t disagree with your viewpoint more.

              A burden shared is a burden halved. It is exactly by sharing our experiences and having them reflected in others that helps people cope. (Or the opposite, reading a story and seeing ourselves in it). It’s called empathy.

              Men’s health is an important, deadly issue.

              Simply saying “Pffftttt, you haven’t cottoned on that you should just get over yourself, facts of life, harden up son” is most unhelpful, and costs lives.

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            • Anon

              Isabel, I am trying hard to see where you are coming from, but many of your comments are making me very upset. As someone who has dealt with very severe depression, the idea that I should help the pain to myself seems very unpractical. It may not necessarily be that sharing your pain with someone will make it all better, but I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that is does help. My partner also has suffered from extreme depression and before I met him, had attempted to end his life on three occasions. His depression went unrecognised for many years, until it was nearly too late, because of the stigma surrounding men and the apparent need for them to keep their worries and emotions to themselves. I am so grateful he finally spoke up and got help, and I know he was helped enormously by sharing his pain with others who could offer support. It is fine if you feel personally that sharing pain is no use, but please do not insinuate everyone should feel this way also. It may be that sharing pain with someone might burden them to some degree – but isn’t that what compassion is for? What love, friendship, humanity, is all about? We are social creatures and will always remain so. We share our pain because we can, and those that love us will always help carry that pain, even when they have pain of their own.
              As for your comment that you sound hardhearted – yes, you do, merely because this was not really the right place to share them.

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        • Melissa J

          I don’t really understand your point here? That people living in remote areas have harder lives so everyone else shouldn’t whinge when they lose a child???

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          • Isabel

            Melissa, you are the one who used the word “whinge.” the loss of a child is grievous, it always has been and it always will be. It is only now that there are fewer families than in the past who have gone through this experience, we seem to think the experience is unique. It is not. We live in a privileged society and it seems we complain more loudly when things don’t go the way we believe they should.

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            • Melissa J

              So you’re saying because we are fortunate enough to live in a time when less babies die than ever before, we have no right to complain when things ‘don’t go the way we believe they should’?
              I used the word whinge because that seems to be your point.. we are whinging because compared to how things used to be we have it so good now..
              Pretty sure no matter what era you live in you feel the loss of a child the same, and have the right to grieve that child and COMPLAIN LOUDLY that things didn’t go the way you wanted them too. The thing that has changed is now we have the resources and general social acceptance that it’s ok to grieve and not sweep these hardships under the carpet like we used to. Which is better for everyone involved.

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            • Kylie C

              Isabel, as stated in the Vic papers recently, the number of stillborn babies remains unchanged over the past 20 years (do we really need to go back 40 years?). My heart goes out to all who have lost their babies at any stage during a pregnancy as I certainly know what it’s like to be at an ultrasound and receive the comment “this does not look good”.
              Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but when someone opens up about their pain, I find it astounding that another would read it and offer anything other than empathy and compassion.
              But I am so pleased that most just send their love. My heart goes out to all those who are still suffering the pain of a loss knowing that some people would rather cross the street than have to speak to you and be confronted by your pain. xxx

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      • La Bella Figura

        And there disappears Isabel…it’s ok to disagree and have a different opinion.

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        • mamaofhope

          Sorry, but Isabel just hit a few raw nerves with me in her comments. Especially given this piece talks specifically about my husband, our baby, our pain. I’m not embarrassed at all to complain about my grief over the death of my daughter, and neither is my husband. And why should we be? I had a perfectly healthy pregnancy. I was almost a week overdue. She was our first child, and we were so ready for her. So excited. She was 8 pounds and perfect, but lets just say there was an avoidable “mishap” in my labour, and she died. And life has never been the same, even though we’ve been lucky enough to welcome a little boy since and are now 32 weeks along with number three.
          I know there are a great many people in this world who are far worse off than I am, but that doesn’t mean I don’t hurt and that my pain isn’t real. We miss our daughter and grieve for the life we should have had together. And we feel lucky we do live in an era where for the most part, it has been ok for us to talk about our shared hurt. And if I want to pick at my scab every so often, then that’s my choice. It has only been three years after all. To everyone else, that might seem like a long time but to us, that’s a drop in the ocean when we have to live the rest of our lives without her.
          Anyway, I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you here. I just shouldn’t have let myself get so offended by Isabel’s comment. Mostly, I just feel sorry for her.

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          • Isabel

            I think the key to the lack of understanding between us here is that you “complain about your grief” whereas I accept that grief is part of living. It is learning to live with loss which makes us more fully appreciate that which we have. Okay, it is only three years since you suffered that loss. For each of the first three years on the anniversary of the death of my 16 year old son, 37 years ago I was hospitalised with a condition best described as ‘dementia’ – remembering that the word comes from the Greek myth about Demeter’s loss of Persephone and her descent into hell to find her daughter. And then I went back to work.

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            • mamaofhope

              With all due respect, Isabel, you know absolutely nothing about me, how I conduct my life and how I grieve. I used the word “complain” because you first used it in another comment above.
              In three short years, I have come to accept that grief is part of life and my personal grief is certainly very entwined in my new life now. I’m not trying to shy away from that. It is what it is.
              I see it not so much as “complaining” but simply talking and keeping the lines of communication open. Talking about Hope, my daughter (who you may or may not think even deserves a name), helps me immensely. And my husband. So if it helping us in our healing process and to “move on” (which is obviously what you think is the main goal here) then surely that is a good thing?
              Anyone who knows me personally knows that I am hugely appreciative of all the good things I have in my life. And there are many. Wonderful husband, healthy, robust 19 month old son and another baby due to join us (hopefully alive and well) in a few short weeks.
              Again, I think I mostly just feel sorry for you. I appreciate everyone has an opinion and the right to express them, but how can any of us say what is the right or wrong way to grieve? We’re all just doing the best we can, myself included.
              I’m sorry for the loss of your son. Seems the best thing you could do here would be to say the same to me. That was after all, your advice in another comment above.

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          • Isabel

            Sally, you will find a separate reply further down – seemed to have reached the limit for responses?

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    • Anon

      Wow, women of this day and age are LUCKY to be able to “indulge in emotion”. Yes i’ve loved indulging in my emotion since my baby died.

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      • Isabel

        And is it any comfort to be told you will carry that loss with you forever? That loss is now part of the definition of who it is you are. A mother who has lost her child. Your baby died and nothing is ever going to change that. The only thing that can change is the way you handle your grief and respect the grief of others. And, in my opinion, the best way we can do that is with a bit of dignity. (that may be a small place on which I stand, but at least I own it.)

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        • An Idle Dad

          So the above story lacks dignity? Call a spade a spade here, Isabel. Should everyone above just harden the fuck up?

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          • Isabel

            call it a shovel if you like. No, not harden up. Just grow up.

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            • mamaofhope

              Let me assure you, losing my daughter at age 28 made me “grow up” quicker than anything else in life ever has. A pretty bloody hard life lesson to learn that young, if you ask me. I didn’t think at 28, I’d be organising my own daughter’s funeral.

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            • redballoon

              I find your comments and lack of compassion appalling.
              Don’t think the fact that you have suffered makes you an expert on the way everyone else should deal with their suffering.

              Can you just stop now?

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            • Anonymous

              Oh dearie me. This is all a bit unpleasant.

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    • mamaofhope

      Think I might just have to bite my tongue on this one. An Idle Dad, as always, has said it best.

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      • Amy

        Sally, my heart goes out to you and Simon. You have every right to be open about your pain and grief, and please never, ever be ashamed of it. If society begins to accept talking about pain and loss and more and more, then others who go through similar ordeals might find dealing with the loss that much easier to bear. Your photos are beautiful. x

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      • Kylie C

        mamaofhope, with people like you and your husband who are so brave to share their heartbreak, it can only help other couples who are going through the same thing – not to mention their friends and family. I cried reading the article as I did when I read the outpouring of support from people on this page. Thank you so much for sharing your story, I am sure this will help many people. ps. make sure you read the support responses again so this is the feeling you take away with you. xox

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    • La Bella Figura

      Isabel I understand where you are coming from I guess its not worded so perfectly to suit this forum and understandably this topic is wrought with sensitivity. I’m glad we live in a generation that can talk about these awful things that happen in life or are we? Doesn’t seem like we are especially in our roles as men and women. I do believe, and I’m talking from personal experience, that we are led to believe everything will be fine with our babies. We have the best prenatal care, medicine etc and still some things are horribly unexplained in life. We don’t hear enough of babies being lost, or miscarriages. We almost don’t think anything will go wrong and we hope for a healthy baby and safe delivery. This is something everyone finds hard to deal with the loss the parents, families, friends and workplaces. We don’t tend to see too many down syndrome babies in Australia either. Why not? It’s mother nature too. Talking is healing but I do understand by the scab being ripped off time and time again, sometimes not everyone wants to talk or copes in other ways that may also make people uncomfortable as it doesn’t suit their idea of healing. I don’t think you have issues, you sound a bit of a sharp shooter of an older generation where life was still tough an these things still happened. One woman losing 6 of her 10 children is mindboggling in it’s devastation and thestrength that people have to go on in life. But that doesn’t underestimate someone else and their pain and I’m sure u understand that and would empathize.

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      • Isabel

        Thank you for that recognition. I do empathise, but the only way I can demonstrate empathy is to put my arm about another and say not a word for each have our own pain and I refuse to insult someone by telling them I understand their pain. I understand they are in pain, but that pain belongs to them and is beyond my understanding. The best way to deal with this kind of stuff is in the doing, not the saying. The pain, for each of us, is beyond words. Yet here, in forums such as this, words are what we use.

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      • An Idle Dad

        In the above comment to Mellisa, Isabel likens losing a child to whinging about not getting our own way. That’s pretty callous in my book.

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        • La Bella Figura

          Idle dad I know (I get it and agree with you) she had some other points I related to from my own experience and I was trying to delve deeper into ‘isabel’. I’m catching up on all the comments now on my lunchbreak. Thanks for your comments on this piece it’s a sensitive one all round.

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      • Johanna

        While I’m not in complete agreement with what Isabel said, I can relate to and understand where she is coming from.

        Conception, pregnancy and childbirth has the odds stacked against it from the start – such a tiny proportion of fertilized eggs actually make it all the way to getting to take a first breath. In developed countries, people do often treat having children as something they can micro-manage and have complete control over. If we eat yam peels, we can have twins; if we take take folic acid, we’ll avoid spina bifida; if we use an approved sleep sack, our baby is immune to SIDS. But sometime things just happen, for no reason, without anybody to blame.

        None of this takes away from the pain in losing a much-wanted child. Of course it will be painful, for everybody involved. But as a society living in a developed country, we do seem to have a bit of a cavalier attitude – “It won’t happen to me” or “I don’t have to worry about that because I’m doing everything right”. It happens, and it seems a bit naive to go into trying to have a baby without realizing that the whole process is so fraught with the potential for tragedy. It’s not always going to work out, and people need to be able to acknowledge this. Not saying that this is the case with the OP at all – it’s a more general thing that seems to be the prevailing attitude here. Women in previous times would lose the majority of their children, and it still happens now in other places. We are so lucky for the healthcare we have access to, and I think we have forgotten what can and does happen in making a baby. All the healthcare, vitamins, birth classes and special products in the world can’t take away what a massive gamble it is to have a baby.

        Isabel wants people to grow up. I’m not sure this is a great solution. I think it might be more helpful for people to be more educated about what can happen during pregnancy and brace themselves for it. Nothing can make it less painful when it happens, but knowing what can happen and how common it is helps people know what a lottery it all is before they jump in.

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        • mamaofhope

          Johanna – I completely agree. I am no longer going to respond to Isabel, but I’m happy to chime in here.
          I was innocent, naive and completely blind sided in my first pregnancy. I was young, healthy, did everything by the book and wrongly assumed all would be ok, especially once I had cleared the 12 week mark and was in the “safe” part of the pregnancy. Hah, I can only laugh at my smugness now.
          I mean of course we all “know” deep down things can go wrong, but no one ever thinks it will happen to them. And I was the one least likely. Conception was easy, the pregnancy was easy, I went in to labour easily a few days past my due date, the baby was perfectly formed and healthy, but died unexpectedly during labour, due to an accident. If it could happen to me, it could happen to anyone. Yet I still think most assume that it was because I did something wrong. Or there was something wrong with the baby. No and no. These things just happen.
          I think obstetricians and midwives need to be talking about these things more with their patients. I have been told they don’t because they don’t want to scare people, especially vulnerable pregnant women. It is rubbish. If someone had “scared” me and possibly, in the process, made me more aware in my first pregnancy, maybe things would have been different for me and my daughter. She could have survived. I wasn’t in hospital when I should have been. There were several opportunities to act during my labour that most certainly could have changed the outcome.
          There was nothing mentioned about the possibility of stillbirth in my prenatal classes, yet the fact is one in 140 babies in this country is stillborn, and that stat hasn’t changed for years. Most only learn about this stat when it is too late – once they have already become a statistic themselves. The classes made out like the worst case scenario was needing an epidural, or a caesarean.
          So much of what Isabel has said here has been so hurtful to those who are truly suffering, but I do agree with your sentiments here.
          We take too much for granted these days, and I fully admit three years ago, I was exactly the same. I assumed, and I got burnt in the worst possible way. I always wished for a healthy baby, but I didn’t know I needed to wish for the baby to be born alive as well. I thought in this day and age, that was pretty much a given.
          My eyes have been forced wide open now and I certainly don’t view pregnancy in the same light. I’ve had a healthy son since I lost Hope and am due to give birth again in the coming weeks and I wont breathe out until a live baby is hopefully placed in my arms.

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          • Johanna

            You pointed out a really important part – ” I still think most assume that it was because I did something wrong. Or there was something wrong with the baby. No and no. These things just happen.”

            Thing do just happen sometimes. It’s tragic, but perhaps if people were made more aware of this by their prenatal care providers, they could be more prepared for the possibility and less likely to blame themselves for somehow causing it. My uncle died a few years ago; in his 40s, perfectly healthy, from an aneurysm – a weakness in a blood vessel in his brain that he had from birth. Just as with many miscarriages and stillbirths, there’s no rhyme or reason, and nothing that anybody could have done to prevent it. It just happens, and to put it midly, it absolutely sucks.

            Regardless – best wishes for the rest of your pregnancy, and I hope you’ll be breathing easy in a few weeks while cuddling a brand new, live baby.

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    • Faybian

      I may be flamed for this, but I don’t mind.
      I think Isabel is comparing the time when she was young and in her childbearing years to now. I guess now we appear self indulgent. There are better services for grieving parents now thankfully, along with better obstetric care for high risk pregnancies. The SIDS reccomendations have dropped the sudden death rate for babies and post natal mums can access help easier. Yet I feel dads, like Clint are almost ignored. I also believe that those in remote areas are grossly under serviced, to a degree which we in the city don’t fully appreciate. I do think while sharing your pain can be helpful, sometimes we need to accept that it’s not for everyone and that those listening may not always cope with it either.

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  44. Melissa J

    This is really sad. I think that men miss out on a lot not being able to, or being encouraged to share their feelings with friends. I am glad that my brother and all his mates seem to be very proactive in this way. When our mum died they were all there for him watching out for him, his one mate in particular sort of encouraged him to grieve. Whenever there is bad news within their wide group of friends they all band together. It’s really good to see

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  45. kateb

    I read this half an hour ago and cannot stop my emotions, thank you for sharing this story. I have 3 grownup sons and have tried to teach them to express their feelings but it is an uphill battle against social mores. One son separated from his partner and was devastated by only being able to see his daughter once a fortnight, which is a smaller loss compared to the death of a child.

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  46. dad of 3

    I have been there and I think about my lost little bloke every day even though it’s been over 15 years. It’s a times like this when I realise how much it did and still does hurt. Probably most people wouldn’t know how much it affects me but at the end of the day I have to be strong for my wife because I know it’s harder on her and this is my role as a husband. Should it be different? Don’t know, I think it’s part of what it means to be a man and a husband and father.

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    • Anonymous

      Firstly, I’m sorry for your loss all those years ago. We never forget someone we love.
      But these words, “because I know it’s harder on her”, I think this is a main issue in this article. Is it harder for the mother than the father? Maybe we need to have more acknowledgment that both parents are losing a child. I’ve never been pregnant so I don’t know about the bond a woman feels for her unborn child but maybe if we all showed a bit more concern for the fathers from now on things might change for the better and it would become more of the norm that fathers grieve just as mothers do.

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      • Melissa J

        I took the main issue to be that we as a society have a long way to go in dealing with men and grief, in particular following loss of a child in which the focus is very much on the mother.
        I don’t think it’s helpful to try and gauge who suffers most. The focus should be on why do we only support one party as opposed to mum and dad. I think both mum and dad have their own issues with the loss of a child, mum has the additional physical problems and the feeling of being so close to the child, while dad has the problem of feeling like they need to be stoic and care for mum and have no outlet to express their grief at losing the child. Also it can’t be easy for Dad’s to watch their partners suffer so acutely and go surgeries or delivering the child, they have both mum and baby to worry about as well.
        It’s a sad situation that we all will hopefully become a lot better at managing in the future.

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  47. Louisec

    The exact same thing happened to me last year, my first scan and the baby was not moving. My partner was overseas and it was extremely traumatic.

    A month or so later I attempted suicide and was found not breathing. My heart had stopped three times and I spent a week in intensive care. My partner who I still love deeply, left me a few weeks after that.

    There are days when i can barely get out of bed. My heart is so broken. It’s now been 12 months.

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    • Anon

      Life is full of possibilities. I sincerely hope you find yours and with it a reason to get out of bed. I am so sorry for your loss.

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    • Anonymous

      That’s so awful Louisec. I’m sorry you have had this happen. I hope you are getting some help and support from someone. If not I hope you will seek it out. It always help to talk about it. Much Love to you xx

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    • redballoon

      Even after a hellish experience like yours, life should not be this awful.
      After 12 months things should ease a bit but if you feel so raw and depressed you can’t function, getting help would be a great idea.

      As a person who has managed depression for many years I have a sensitive spot for fellow sufferers. And the “suffering” part is so f*cking awful and frequently can be somewhat ameliorated.

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      • Loumelc

        Thank you, I am on medication. There wr other serious events that happened before this as well. So a lot to handle. I see babies everywhere. My heart is broken and hurts like hell. I’ll be ok, time is a great healer.

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        • redballoon

          All the best on your road to recovery. Sorry that things are so very hard, I hope things get easier for you soon.

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  48. MB

    Clint, your story brings back some strong memories and makes me realise that I’ve never dealt with the issues arising from my similar story.

    We lost our first pregnancy very early, at around six weeks, which was very upsetting. Our second pregnancy progressed well and I can still remember how excited we were to be ‘meeting’ our baby at the 12-week scan. But we were confronted with the same picture as you and our reactions over the following weeks and months were eerily similar.

    After our first miscarriage, we decided against telling anyone, including our families, about the second. The only person I told about our second miscarriage was our boss, in explaining why we’d both be off work for a week. I told myself I had to be strong for my wife and went through the same processes of justification that you did. Only after the birth of our first son did I tell our families what we’d been through.

    We now have two happy, healthy and robust boys but it was difficult to enjoy those pregnancies after what we went through. We gradually let ourselves enjoy the ride but every appointment and every scan was difficult. Every time we heard that heart beat, we would grip each others’ hands in relief.

    I’m sitting at work reading this so again, I’m bottling up what feels like some pretty raw emotion. I’ll talk to my wife when I get home and see where I get … and I wish you all the best and congratulate you for this piece.

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    • Clint-Greagen

      Thanks for sharing your response MB. I am blown away and moved by some of the stories here.

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  49. minnie

    I shouldn’t read these things at work! I always end up in tears. Having experienced four early miscarriages after the rigours of IVF I can relate to a lot in this article. My husband is one of those men too who wouldn’t show much emotion in public and even at home he doesn’t often let his guard down. Last night we watched a recent episode of Offspring when one of the characters has an ultrasound at what looks like 12 weeks and the baby has no heartbeat. Watching it together brought back so many emotions for both of us. Predictably I ended up in tears and my husband’s eyes misted up. Going through all that disappointment together brought us both closer but it also highlighted the distances there are between our emotional responses. I have often wished there were more opportunities for men to talk openly about their disappointments and tragedies and frustrations, particularly around fertility, pregnancy, miscarriage and childbirth. Thanks for such an open and frank and honest post.

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    • katec

      We watched that episode, and while I sobbed, my husband told me I just shouldn’t watch these things that will upset me. I want him to open up and he doesn’t understand how I can’t just close it off to save myself. He’s been wonderful supporting me but isn’t someone who takes opportunities to talk about these things. I blame his Dad! If we end up with sons, I’m going to make them big bleeding-heart softies x

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  50. Alex

    What a beautiful article, thanks for sharing something that is do personal to you Clint. I feel like men really don’t get the support they need in times of crisis and hopefully by reading this, people will be more willing to push past that and not just focus on one half of a partnership that has lost a child but on both who have equally lost someone.

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