by DEVON CORNEAL
How do you feel when you get on a plane and there’s a baby nearby? While children on a plane are not quite as horrifying as, say, snakes, their presence does lead to a certain amount of hostility from other travelers.
Babies wail during take-offs and landings. Toddlers kick the back of your seat, talk too loudly, spill drinks, sneeze, and get in everyone’s way. Older kids fight with their parents, complain, and drown out their irritation at being forced to go visit a national park by cranking the volume on their iPods.
Parents anticipate this. We know, before we ever step on a plane that the other passengers hate us. They will roll their eyes, sigh, judge and glower. They dread being trapped in a metal tube at 30,000 feet with the under-21-crowd for any length of time.
I have seen the disappointed looks of my flight-mates when they notice Little Dude sitting near them. I’ve read the stories of children being kicked off of commercial flights. I even watched an episode of a PBS cartoon in which a woman on an airplane sighed and irritably requested that the family sitting across from her do something about their crying baby. When PBS thinks you’re a pain in the ass, you know there’s a problem.
To appease our fellow passengers, we parents consult travel guides, websites and blogs looking for tips and tricks to keep our offspring happy, calm, and, most importantly, quiet. Some of those ideas are useful: bringing new toys or books along, downloading movies or TV shows on iPads or DVD players, planning for snack and naptime. Some suggestions are horrifying. Like the advice to buy our fellow travelers drinks, offer earplugs and apologize over and over and over again to minimize the hatred coming at us from all sides.
Seriously? I already feel guilty. I’m weighed down by a carry-on filled with sippy cups, fruit snacks, board games, toys, crayons, stickers, coloring books, electronic babysitters (by the way, HUGE shout out to Steve Jobs for the iPad. I owe you about $5,000 in babysitting fees), blankies, pillows, stuffed animals, and my own earplugs. Now I have to carry 30 extra pairs and a cash reserve to get everyone else drunk so they don’t throw my kid out the window? These are my options?
I am not saying you have to tolerate out of control kids. As a parent, I try to keep Little Dude in his seat for his safety and everyone else’s. I teach him to be well-mannered and polite. Parents who don’t do that get no sympathy from me. I apologize when he misbehaves and I make him do the same. I understand that you want to travel in peace. So do I.
I am not, however, required to turn my kid into an automaton. I’m tired of feeling like I have to grovel for forgiveness every time my child doesn’t behave like a pre-programmed robot or a mini-adult. The expectation that parents owe our fellow passengers a flight devoid of any minor interruption or irritation makes me crazy. Society is comprised of all its members, including its messy and noisy children. Everyone gets to participate. Until we can all afford private jets, we’re going to have to learn to get along.
Believe me, we don’t want our children screaming either. However awful you think it is listening to a baby howl a few rows up, it is a thousand times worse for the parents. Not only are ear piercing cries louder when you’re the one holding the baby, but we know you hate us. We are embarrassed, harried and exhausted. We want it to stop. So give us a break, we’re not doing this to ruin your day. Instead of an eye-roll, how about some sympathy? Or a drink. Make mine a margarita.
I shouldn’t have to keep my kid at home because it might inconvenience someone who would prefer to travel in an adults-only environment. Besides, hasn’t anyone else endured adults who haven’t yet learned to play nicely with others, use their indoor voices or speak only when spoken to? Bad behavior isn’t limited to kids.
I’ve smiled through my share of snoring, drunken babblings and near-concussions from getting hit in the head by suitcases that are NOT going to fit in the overheard compartment. I’ve closed my eyes to inappropriate public displays of affection, sat through two-hour monologues about business deals, and been privy to fights and disagreements that could have waited until we landed. I’ve choked on cloying perfume and overpowering aftershave. Give me a dirty diaper, a kid playing peek-a-boo or dropped toys any day.
Little Dude does the best he can and so do we. Sometimes he gets restless, antsy or bored. He may talk too loudly, or need to burn off some energy. I’m not going to tie myself into knots trying to stop that. He’s a kid. That’s what kids do. So when it comes to normal, ordinary and sometimes noisy or messy children, I have only one thing to say.
Deal.
Oh, and buy your own earplugs.
Devon Corneal is a lawyer, mother, and step-mother who lives with her husband, two boys, and a dog named Max. You can find her on Facebook here and Twitter here.
This post was first published in the Huffington Post It has been republished here, with permission.
Have you ever traveled with young children? Did you find that other passengers appears to be disappointed that they were seated near you? Have you ever been on a flight where another passenger had very noisy or difficult children?







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A few hours ago I stepped out of a plane – my third today. I am exhausted. But I feel I must say something here.
After I finally got home today, I went on the internet to see what people think about this subject. Because guess what – on all THREE flights I had to sit either next to, or right in front of screaming babies. The last flight was the longest one and the screaming was the most terrible – the kid was hysterical, and kept screaming almost all the time. By that time I was already dead tired, so believe me when I say it was agony. Earplugs? I have yet to find such earplugs that would make the sound bearable. And believe me, I have tried whatever I could, because I’m a very frequent traveler. Also because I’m very sensitive to noise. School was hell for me, because of the other kids screaming during every break. Being bombarded by loud noise and not being able to escape is the worst thing that can happen to me. My boyfriend is also sensitive to noise, although somewhat less than I am.
Now, I understand that if you have a baby and you need to travel, you have to travel. And you try to calm the child down if he cries on the plane. There is not much you can do. But I sure wish that people – those without kids – would push the airlines to create a separate section on a plane specially for parents with small children. A soundproof section, if possible. That way everybody gets to travel, and everybody is happy. Adults-only flights would be even better, and I’m sure I would only use those. I’m sure in the near future this will be the most normal thing, just like not being allowed to smoke on a plane, a bus, in a restaurant or any public place – not just because it’s dangerous, but because it’s bothering other people. Because those other people have rights too, and compromises have to be made by those who cause the inconvenience, NOT the ones who suffer.
To sum up, no, it is not MY problem that your baby is making me crazy, and I cannot believe the tone of this article. No-one, and I mean NO-ONE should ever be subjected to hours of loud noise without an option to get out of there. I do hope we’ll see improvements soon.
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Hi Devon,
Great article! As a passenger who has travelled with parents with young children also aboard, I have felt for you when the air pressure irritates the baby and he/she begins to cry and don’t mind at all when the other young ones talk loud (who can hear them over the engine!?). Most of us are understanding as a lot of this is out of your control and you’re the one who has to face the worst of it.
The one and only thing that bugs me and that I ask parents to stop are kids kicking the front seat. I get it, the kid is bored but this is one thing that some parents can control.
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Hi Devon,
Great article! As a passenger who has travelled with parents with young children also aboard, I have felt for you when the air pressure irritates the baby and he/she begins to cry and don’t mind at all when the other young ones talk loud (who can hear them over the engine!?). Most of us are understanding as a lot of this is out of your control and you’re the one who has to face the worst of it.
The one and only thing that bugs me and that I ask parents to stop are kids kicking the front seat. I get it, the kid is bored but this is one thing that some parents can control.
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Yeah … it’s base stupidity when people imagine parents can (or would want to) FORCE children to stop crying. Children are programmed to cry, it’s part of growing up. I blame the segmentation that happens in cities now where singles don’t live amongst families – many live in apartments and urban housing where kids don’t hang. This creates an artificial intolerance and a lot of ignorance.
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As a teacher I have a lot of patience for kids. A lot. I deal with crying kids on a daily basis for a myriad of reasons.
However, I think there is a MASSIVE point being missed here. Kids cry. It’s a fact of life. If you choose to have kids and you choose to take them on a flight, it is your duty as a parent to comfort them.
I don’t care if your kid cries, screams, wails the entire flight…IF you are doing something to comfort them. If I can see you pull out all the stops – I’ll be sympathetic. Heck, I’ll even go over there, show you my working with children check and ask if you want me to hold your baby and walk them up and down the aisle so you can eat your dinner and have a break.
What I abhor is parents who have screaming children on a flight and sit there and do nothing at all. It’s irresponsible and the cold hard facts are I spent a lot of money on a flight to get somewhere and I shouldn’t have to deal with a child that I chose NOT to have/bring on a flight with me, if you aren’t. Plain and simple.
I think you’ll find most people are fine with babies/kids on aeroplanes if their parent/s are actively doing something to keep them entertained and comforting them if they’re upset.
Period.
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/parents-of-twins-offer-fellow-passengers-lollies-and-earplugs/story-fndo2j43-1226465297034
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One thing is certain: Flying with a little person can be hard on everyone concerned! One of our mums recently wrote about how Bebi came to her mid-air rescue http://tinyurl.com/8gjc5gt
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Last easter, on an eight hour long train ride, I was trying to keep 10y old (autistic) boy and 2.5 y old (loud) girl occupied by coming up incessantly with quiet sitting-down games so they wouldn’t start running havoc, and as we were quietly playing “I spy with my little eye” or whatever it’s called , not the loudest game right? some woman got up from two rows in front of us and came to tell us that some OTHER woman was trying to sleep and to please keep it down now because this was unbearable. I told her that I now felt relieved from any obligation to keep my children occupied for the benefit of ungrateful bitches and would take a nap myself, and see what happens. Being autistic myself, I can have some “temper tantrums” like that in the face of unfairness. Let’s just say she didn’t appreciate the following 4 hours. Screw them.
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I was just on a plane where a baby kicked my seat and screamed the whole time. I also didnt get upset like a self-entitled ***** because THATS HOW BABIES ARE! we were all babies once, and im sure you screamed and annoyed others so chill out! and FTR i’m a 23 year old single woman who has no interest doing in all that marriage/baby s***, but i still cant believe other people get angry at things like this when its perfectly natural!
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I love how mothers are so defensive of their children. They don’t seem to grasp the fact that others don’t think their darlings are as adorable as they do. Yes, drunken idiots are annoying, but they are far rarer in cinemas than screaming two-year-olds.
So, yes, parents with babies should ABSOLUTELY be politely asked to leave if the baby is screaming its lungs out. I’m not talking about a bit of fussing, or an adorable little addition to the movie’s dialogue, I am talking about disruptive noise. Adults are not free to do whatever the hell they like, and cause disruption whenever they want, so people with babies should be held equally to account. And if your baby IS screaming and crying, are you sure you’re doing it right? Parenting, that is?
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are you kidding me? how can you remove a crying baby from a plane? Please tell me you’re not a parent when you ask ‘are you sure you’re doing it [parenting] right? No parent would ask that question. Kids are kids – for better and worse. Rearing them with love doesn’t guarantee they will be angelic. And really, who wants a compliant angelic kid with no will left in them. They will have a much better life if they’re spirited. There’s more to life than being ‘well behaved.’
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When I was 4 mum my family and I flew home from QLD to Sydney – and I had a middle ear infection…Needless to say, despite being 35000 ft in the air, people on the ground probably heard me screaming. Mum still cringes when I tease her about it and still feels sorry for the other passengers – 26 years later – poor mum!
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Spot on! However bad it is for the other passengers, we still deal with the red-faced sweaty embarrassment and feeling everyone is either glaring at us or trying to ignore the big wailing elephant in the room. Next time i hear a crying baby i hope it’s not one of mine.
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Our 2 kids are old hands at plane travel, never really had an issue, even as bables, few hiccups, but nothing that turned the fliht into a nightmare.
have to say I used to get really annoyed before I had children if i had had one sitting behind me kicking my seat. After we had our first i realised that a 3 year olds legs stick straight out on the seat. In an economy seat (especially if you have you seat reclined) that childs feet will be touching the back of your seat. It’s not so much that they are kicking it, they just wriggle around constantly and bump the seat over and over. I was always really conscious of this and tried to make sure my kids didn’t do it.
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I don’t mind babies on planes, and especially not when I sit next to them because it means that I will get baby smiles and cuddles. Makes for a much more enjoyable flight.
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How timely! For the last couple of weeks my husband and I have been thinking about a last trip overseas before my son turns 2 and we have to pay full fare. Last weekend we flew Adelaide to Canberra and he was for the first time hysterical and could not be comforted. We are no longer going overseas. The main reason being I could not cope with the stress if this were to happen on a long haul flight. I am dissapointed but we will go when he is older and can watch tv for 10 hours with my full encouragement!
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This article was obviously meant to inflame, but I don’t think most people are intolerant of babies and children or feel any degree of annoyance toward parents when they are in a situation with crying or misbehaving children. It is human to feel irritated by the situation or desire some peace and quiet when children are screaming or being overly noisy, but that has nothing to do with ill feel toward the parents or the kids themselves.
And from just another “childless spinster”, I can assure that most of the time when I see your kids and babies being children and laughing or being noisy, I simply smile and think of how lucky you are to have them. I wish I had my own children. There will always be people who are rude or show their irritation at minor things, but that is part and parcel of having children. I don’t really understand why the author is so worked up, just let it go.
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One thing that amazes me is just how intolerant society is towards children!!!!!!!
How can anyone expect any child to cope well with long flights? As an adult it is difficult, let alone for children!!!!!!
Children are people too and just like we accept adults, we need to accept children and all that they do.
How can anyone feel annoyed by children for being children?
I am starting to wonder if society has more sociiopaths and neurotics than scientist have anticipated,
Children are beautiful wonderful humans and the more society accpets them and relish in them, the better the outcome for all our children!!!!!!!!
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Actually noone expects children to cope. Thats the point. its cruel to make a child fly for more than a few hours. Noone blames the kids, they blame the parents for forcing the child to suffer for their own selfish reasons.
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You are mistaken. There are members of society who feel this way just from children crying in a resturant or a toddler having a tantrum at the shopping centre!!!!
So what are parents supposed to do? Never go anywhere?
Just admit it! Some people do not like children and have unrealistic expectations and are therefore deficient emotionally.
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How do you know people are taking their children on a flight for selfish reasons? People go overseas for many reasons. Unfortunately there aren’t many places in the world you can travel to from Australia that are only a few hours by plane.
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Do you know what will make everyone accept that you’re right?!!!!!!! Lots of exclamation marks!!!!!!!
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So it’s selfish to take your family overseas so that you can work and feed them? Or so that you can study, in order to work and feed them? Or let them visit family who they’ve never met? Or to see a beloved Uncle and Aunt get married?
Sometimes, perhaps it is selfish, but having taken our small children on long-haul flights for the reasons like the ones above, I think you’re being ridiculous. Our kids coped amazingly well. They were brilliant. Most people were very helpful, kind and understanding when they did get a bit restless. But in the end, you don’t know how they’ll cope until they’re on the plane. We talked about it with them, planned and prepared well and it went better than we expected. But you just never know which way it might go.
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We flew from Australia to Germany with our 2 kids last year so that my father-in-law could see them before he died. I don’t think that is selfish. You’ve no idea what people’s personal circumstances are.
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how is taking a child on a long flight selfish?? My husbands parents live in Canada, and so for our children to be able to see their grandparents they have to fly across the world…we try to be prepared…but we are not selfish for wanting our kids to see their family…its actually the opposite….i would be happy to not ever see them, they drive me nuts, but they are my childrens grandparents and they cant afford to fly and are a bit older!!
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Embarking in Sydney, lots and lots of Indian women got on the plane, all with lots of kids. Mostly babies.
Some of the families were disembarking in Delhi, and some were continuing to London.
As we took off from Sydney, one by one all the babies started to wail.
As babies do.
Their ears hurt. So do mine, during ascent and descent.
When we levelled out in the air (there is probably a hugely ponderous aeronautical term for this) one by one all the babies stopped crying, and behaved perfectly for the rest of the flight, the way most kids do.
However, on descent to Delhi, one by one they all started up again.
And one by one, all the pax started chuckling as the symphony reached crescendo.
By the time we were on the ground, everyone on the plane was laughing and we were all best friends, said goodbye to those leaving, and resumed the friendship with the on-travelling pax in the transit lounge.
Great experience. Chill.
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I don’t think that’s what people are getting annoyed about. Everyone (well, I would think everyone) expects babies to cry during the take off and the landing, popped ears aren’t pleasant for anyone and the babies aren’t expecting it and don’t understand what is happening. I think people are annoyed about the babies who scream and cry for the entire flight.
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So, we’ve read lots of criticisms both ways. How about some advice – helpful – for people who travels with kids now. From babies to toddlers.
What are some tips we can share with the MM community that have worked for you, or you have seen work?
So far I have gleaned from comments:
* sucking lollipops during ascent / descent will help with ears
* timing food / bottles to the ascent / descent also works
* episodes of cartoons, movies etc on ipads (and I’m assuming the same applies for smart phones) to occupy children
* spare batteries for above items
Can anyone add to the list?
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*Snacks at appropriate intervals – bonus points if they aren’t too messy yet still take a little while to eat.
*I’ve heard a packet of post-its are quite handy. I’m going to test this one out in a couple of months. Probably best when you have a whole row to your family as I doubt your sleeping neighbour wants to wear them.
*Dummy for ascent/descent on a dummy chain if your kid uses them and you don’t mind them doing so. Heck use it during the whole flight even if it’s normally just for naps if it’ll help.
*Choose books that have several interesting aspects. The very hungry caterpillar worked well when my daughter was about 8 mths old as she spent quite a while sticking her fingers in the little holes on each page. Books with interesting things in the backgrounds that aren’t specified with the text are good also as you can ask the child to point to various bits, or ask them to describe what they see.
*Volume restricted kids’ headphones for the ipad/ipod/whatever so that you can actually use the thing with the volume on (and teach the kids what they feel like *before* you go – if they don’t like them then they’ll have to watch with the sound off).
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* a pharmacist in Australia suggested we squirt drixine (or similar) up our kids noses (age 2 and 3). We trialled it first to check it didn’t make them hyper! Worked a charm and no screaming on takeoff or landing. We still use it if they have been a bit sniffly.
* Crayola make mini colouring sheets. But they have textas with them. Even though they are washable, the still make a mess. Get retractable pencils instead.
* we have iPod classics for our girls. We download movies and TV shows onto them. They are in thick silicone cases with handles on the side that make them easy to hold. We also have kid sized, volume limited headphones. The iPod classic can be “locked” so they can’t fiddle with the dial and they have a 9 hour battery life…bonus!
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An iPad.
Filled with lots of new apps and vids.
Best invention ever.
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It is a simple truth noise pollution causes stress and health problems and the reason people get so worked up about babies crying is that we are programmed to become stressed and anxious when they do. I am not saying people should not travel with babies. As I stated earlier, it is the attitude of entitlement of parents who say things like “buy your own ear plugs” which is an issue for nearly everyone, not the actual crying baby. If people can see the parent is genuinely making an effort, most are sympathetic and even helpful.
However, those who try to minimise crying babies as simply a minor irritation are either unaware of, or choose not to be aware of, the fact that most of us are physically unable to ignore them. There is a reason this issue is such a bone of contention, noise pollution makes people unreasonable, angry and can actually make us ill, babies crying in particular makes us stressed and anxious. It’s in our hard wiring. Being in a closed environment with such a stressor exacerbates the problem, and, clearly, telling people to shove things in their ears is not an acceptable response of any kind, rather it is deliberately antagonistic. Good for you if you can get drunk, drug yourself or shove things in your ears to ignore your environment. Most of us do not consider those acceptable options, and these sorts of comments only illustrate that sense of entitlement which aggravates the problem so much.
The bottom line is that, regardless of your circumstances, when people can see you are trying hard to keep your child quiet and non-irritating, almost everyone will be sympathetic and helpful. Minimising and disrespectfully brushing off what is a genuine issue for many merely aggravates the problem.
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Sorry, but you need to regulate your feelings.
When I hear a baby crying or toddlers mucking around, I have nothing but love and peace in my heart.
Sorry, but if you think that a mother can keep her baby quiet, just because you wish it to be done, then your heartless.
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Dear Anonymous, sorry, but you need to regulate yours. that was respectful and helpful wasn’t it? No? Please point out where I said a mother can keep her baby quiet. That may prove difficult, since what I actually said was that if people see a parent is trying to do the right thing, most of them will sympathise and help. What I stated was, being disrespectful and minimising this and pretending it is not an issue – which is, of course, what you just did – only aggravates the situation. Thank you for helping to illustrate my point.
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With a two minute search, anyone can find the facts, it is not a question of “regulating your feelings”, as stated it is factual that we are hard wired to become stressed when a baby cries: Which is why this is an issue, and why being dismissive and disrespectful does no good at all: “Previous studies have shown that the sound of crying babies produces a physiological response in adults, seen in a higher heart rate, blood pressure and hand grip strength.This new work shows that this is likely to be part of a ‘high alert’ state where adults are primed to react rapidly to a baby’s distress”: http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_releases_for_journalists/120110.html
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regulating your feeliongs means you have the ability to detach from those intense feeling should they arise. if sonmeones baby is crying and your overly stressed about it, then you have a problem in regulating your feelings.
Secondly, what is a parent supposed to do wiuth a crying baby apart from confort them?
What do you mean when they do nothing?
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Dear anonymous troll, at no point did I say “when they do nothing”. As stated, most people will respond sympathetically and helpfully to any parent who is obviously trying to do the right thing and dismissive rudeness only exacerbates a genuine issue. Clearly, you know I have valid points, politely made. You have nothing useful to add, no rebuttal to make and are not responding to anything I actually said. So, our conversation is now over. Enjoy your day.
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Disagreeing isn’t trolling, amd. Neither is asking questions. Sometimes babies cry and there isn’t much you can do about it. Unfortunately some of them choose to do it in a plane.
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Troling: posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. As stated, this person was trolling, and now, so are you (perhaps the same person? Who knows with anons? Btw don’t bother responding, genuinely don’t care, just an observation). As stated, “nothing useful to add, no rebuttal to make and are not responding to anything I actually said. So, our conversation is now over.”
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What? You don’t like me singing showtunes on your ear for 12 hours? We’re both adults. You can squeeze noise makers our of your private parts and I can scream in your face non-stop. Don’t like that? Deal.
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I flew with my then 5 month old on a 3 hour domestic flight for a family emergency, I tried to time the trip with a morning sleep and gave him baby Panafon prior to the flight, which was his first, more for the ear pain than anything else, he drank a bottle on the way up, slept and drank a bottle on descent, I think I got lucky. He flew well, I have sympathy for babies on the ascent and descent. My ears get really sore, I guess mt point is parents can’t always predict wht their kids will do on a flight, you just do your best and hope you don’t get too many whiny people next to you,
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Here’s a genuine question from an admittedly completely clueless childfree person, but why is medication considered such a no-no if it can provide relief for both the kid and those around him/her? Adults take Valium for flying, didn’t people used to give kids Phenergen or whatever it is? Isn’t it just a mild sedative?
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Not for all kids. Some kids react in the exact opposite way – agitation, twitching etc. In addition, some people – like me, react intensely to these types of medication – a dosage recommended for toddlers is enough to send me into lala-land for 5 hours – in a manner of 10 minutes. Imagine what it could to to my now 5 year old daughter when she was 1 1/2 and we were doing the Europe-Sydney trip. I don’t know about you, but I’m not really wanting to try and see if she’s perhaps inherited by reaction to these drugs….because it could do more than ‘dull’ her for several hours.
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I would never let the judgement of strangers make me go so far as drug my child. They will have to deal with the noise. I will have to deal with the rude stares and comments. And it is probably quite risky to give your child a drug, and then send them up in the air for a few hours.
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Phenergen isn’t a sedative. It’s actually an antihistamine. It is used for things like allergies. But it is one of the ‘old fashioned’ ones that causes drowsiness (in some people). Whereas most antihistamines these days (Claratyne, Zyrtec) don’t cause the drowsiness. For some kids, Phenergen makes them hyper. Anyone thinking of trying to use this to help their kids sleep on a flight is advised to try it at home first!
And some kids wake after a Phenergen-assisted snooze feeling groggy and cranky – the last thing you want on a plane!
All that said, it’s a safe medicine and doesn’t have side-effects on a lot of people.
Another reason that some people would not want to sedate their kids on a flight is because if done at whacky times, it will stuff up their body clock resulting in lengthy jet-lag. Conversely though, some parents use things like Phenergen and Melatonin once they have arrived at their destination to help prevent the jet-lag with kids.
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Can I drug you if I consider you annoying? Oh, I mean, for your own comfort?
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People pay an incredibly large amount of money to go on a flight. I myself have only ever been on one trip overseas my whole life due to finances. If that flight had been tainted by screaming I would have been so upset. This is not a $2 bus trip. Flights can cost thousands of dollars. Why the heck would you travel with a baby? Its selfish, and rude, and the kid has no idea where it is. Other than travelling interstate/overseas for family emergencies, its nothing but selfish to travel with a baby.
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Really??? Our lives should be put on hold because we are a family. Get real! Parents have just as much right to a holiday as you do. The baby might not know where they are but I sure as hell do!
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Flying is unpleasant and uncomfortable for a child. You force your kid to suffer for 12 hours then you get stuffed cos youre clearly a terrible present. Planes are full of germs and recycled air so youre also choosing to expose your child to unnecesary germs/illness. So not only are you selfish for making your child uncomfortable and sick, but youre ruining other peoples trips.
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maybe I will wrap them in cotton wool while I am at. Perhaps I won’t take them to the supermarket either because of all the germs on the trolley’s or use public play areas.
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Why is flying unpleasant and uncomfortable? Not in my experience. It’s what you make it.
You are awfully fully oh wisdom and attitude for somebody who has been overseas once….. Phillip Island was it?
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I hate flying. It’s unpleasant and uncomfortable because I get motion sickness, so I can’t really read or concentrate, I’m stuck in a metal tube with 300 strangers in close proximity who are all in uncomfortable seats squashed in together too, with all the smells and noises that go along with that. Babies crying are the least of my worries on a plane.
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This is kind of funny because travelling with a baby is made out to sound like the end of the world. Perspective, people. Perspective.
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People pay a large amount of money for a holiday. The flight may cost a lot, but it’s just the means of transport to get you to your holiday destination. Nobody promises a quiet peaceful flight, once you get to your destination book accommodation with child-free spaces so you don’t have to put up with the pesky little beggers. Parents have as much right to a holiday as non-parents, and it’s nothing but selfish to say otherwise.
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I’m glad you can’t afford to travel because you sound like a NIGHTMARE. If you expect to travel in isolation, hire a private jet. Otherwise, get the hell over yourself.
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My 3 year old’s seat costs the same as yours on a plane. Planes are a mode of transport not a holiday themselves.
My Miss is about to visit her 8th country next week, she is a fab traveller but like any child can have her moments and I couldn’t care less what anybody seated around us thinks. We paid for the ticket and quite frankly I would rather deal with a 5 minute tantrum than some of the rude, obnoxious, drunk twats on planes who think it is there god damn given right to leave there manners at the door and treat the plane as a holiday.
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flying is nothing more than an expensive form of public transport. get over yourself.
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Urgh. People that give their kids names like ‘Little Dude’ annoy meeee. Go awaayy!
Why do you have to take long haul flights with little kids anyway? If they are not well behaved then stay at home till they are!
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You are rude and quite frankly ill behaved perhaps you should stay at home.
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I have a seven month old baby, and for various reasons he has already been on 8 flights. Two of those flights were over 14 hours long. Needless to say, he is the sweetest baby and during all of those flights, he only cried once for about 5 minutes.
Even before I had my son, I was irritated with flyers who believe it is their right to have absolute silence during a flight. Most flights are only a couple of hours long…is it really that awful for people to hear a poor little kid cry or play loudly for a couple of hours? I feel like society is out of touch with what really matters. Since when have people become so detached from the community at large that the sound of a child bothers them so much?
I firmly believe that nearly every parent who flies does so by preparing as well as they can for the flight. Timing naps, buying new toys, bringing the tastiest foods. It is more difficult on parents than anyone. As my own dad says, “I don’t care if a baby is crying, as long as it’s not mine!”
And one more thing…during the 14 hour flights I was on, I cannot tell you how irritated I was at the passengers who bumped my arm while walking by my seat, waking my baby. Or the two passengers talking non-stop and laughing like hyenas while everyone was trying to sleep, again waking my baby. And the person who crumpled their newspaper 1000+ times, waking the baby several times. I did not complain to you, because that would be ridiculous. I realize people make noise, even though your lack of awareness made my trip more difficult because I had to soothe my son to sleep multiple times. And my son didn’t complain either, although his sleep was disturbed more than it had to be.
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Exactly! Well said.
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Devon, you just wrote what is on my mind! I totally agree with what you said about “I shouldn’t have to keep my kid at home because it might inconvenience someone who would prefer to travel in an adults-only environment.” In that regard, I think it not only apply to plane trips but restaurant/cafe trips, and shops! Also, I agree that out of control kids should not be tolerated. But I am just sick of people rolling their eyes at me when they see me with my 2 yr old even before he starts doing anything that may be considered annoying. For all of you out there who have done that to a mum and her child/children, it is very rude! Please realise that as mothers, we do try our best to make sure our children are at their best behaviour all the time but sometime kids will be kids. I noticed quite many negative comments here and people who are offended by what Devon has written. For goodness sake, she is only expressing her opinion. You do not have to like or agree with every single piece of article you read.
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As someone who regularly travels for work, and does a long-haul flight at least once a month, I just wish Business Class was a kid free zone (or even better, a business traveller’s only zone).
Quite often I go weeks where the only time I’ll sleep is while on a plane. It’s usually my only chance to catch some zzz’s. I know it’s not their fault, but a screaming baby can fuck up my sleep pattern for weeks. Last week I had to go to California. Being school holidays, both the departing and returning flights were full of families going to Disneyland. I specifically booked an airline that’s more popular with business travellers than families, but to no avail. I’d been awake for 26 hours before I left Melbourne. Expected to sleep on the plane, but even three sleeping pills and ridiculously expensive, supposedly noise cancelling ear plugs couldn’t knock me out when 3 toddlers were having a shreiking contest THE ENTIRE TIME. I was in California for two and a half days, but only had 4 hours pencilled in as possible sleep time, and that didn’t happen. I didn’t sleep at all on the flight home due to crying babies and grumpy chair kicking older kids, and had to go straight from the airport to the office. So I didn’t sleep for over 5 days, and still haven’t caught up. This means when I have a few days free next week, they’ll be spent catching up on sleep, rather than catching up with friends.
A lot of parents here seem to have the attitude that whilst yes, a crying baby or toddler is annoying, it’s not really an actual problem for anyone beyond that. But for people who travel often, it can have a huge effect on their health and work. Even if they don’t need the sleep, I think parents are more aware than anyone that a crying baby is one of the most stressful, distracting things you can hear. A lot of people work on planes, and go straight from planes to meetings and presentations. Being on a plane with a baby that screams for half the flight can have massive negative effects on the standard of your work and your capability to walk into a meeting feeling composed.
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I feel bad for you. But mostly because you have a job where your sleep habits are dependent on the quality of sleep you get on a plane ride!!!! That is insane.
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I feel sorry for you. And agree its not appropriate for kids to travel business class unless they’e going to behave themselves. Business class is supposed to be for people like you who need to sleep and be able to function for business at the destination! If you’re forking out a lot of money to have a flat bed and a decent sleep its not fair that is interrupted by kids whose parents dont care.
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I agree with what you are saying, however the last two flights I did overseas were in business class, and ruined by an adult.
The first time, I was 6 months pregnant and travelling with my husband (no kids). We flew from Sydney to LA and I was unable to sleep for the ENTIRE flight, because the gentleman in the seat behind me had a really bad cough and coughed loudly at regular intervals the entire way. By the time we got there, I was exhausted, and quite pissed at the fact that we had forked out $5,000 of our own money (not some company’s money) to have an enjoyable flight which was ruined by the cougher.
The other time, I was again flying business class with my husband and no kids, and we were seated in front of two businessmen who were obviously work colleagues. They talked about work almost the entire way, in loud booming voices which I could tell was annoying other passengers as well.
So the moral of the story is, people in general are pretty annoying and often selfish on flights (not just kids) but it is just a means to an end – so we all need to be a bit more tolerant!
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You rely on the sleep you get when you fly? Seriously? Why is it a family doing maybe their trip of a lifetime’s responsibility to make sure you get your sleep that you (an adult in a presumably responsible position) haven’t managed to work into your schedule?
Most frequent travellers I know have something sorted to help them sleep on planes. If those kids’ seats have been paid for like yours have, why shouldn’t they be in business class?
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Bad behaved kids come from bad parents.
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Good kids have bad days. Realism.
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Half the time it is not even bad behaviour. Babies communicate their needs by crying. Since they do not have words, it sometimes takes parents a few minutes to figure out their needs.
Toddlers also go through a period where they have limited speech. And this can be frusterating for them. And it is perfectly normal for toddlers to have occasional tantrums. It helps them assert their independance.
It does not always mean bad parenting. If the kid it 6+, then I’d start to worry if they started screaming the whole flight. But I have flown a lot, and have never seen this happen.
It boggles my mind that people can be so judgemental.
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Gee I can’t wait to travel with my then 1 1/2 yr old girl, my sister and her five children in a year’s time! This is a real eye opener, and not fully for the better.
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God, flying with kids is a nightmare. Before I had kids I was one of those who begged at check in not to be seated anywhere near any children. Now that I have 3 of my own, I see it from the other side. I had a really bad experience with my youngest at 20 months getting on a midnight flight absolutely hysterical. I could not make eye contact with anyone, I could feel the daggers coming out of their eyes and stabbing me in the heart. I did everything I could, but it took him about 20 mins to settle down and finally fall asleep, the most agonising 20 minutes. I think it is really important as a parent of small kids in confined spaces such as planes or even restaurants, to do your best to make sure your kids aren’t negatively impacting on others. Obviously kids will be kids and they are noisy and messy at times, but there is a difference between parents who try to confine this behaviour as best they can, versus those who let their kids run riot. I recall working as a waitress and carring trays groaning with drinks, while parents let their kids run amuck and almost trip me up. Not cool. Or travelling with my sister and her kids on a plane and having her let them move around way more that I though was reasonable…these things do not help people’s frustration about kid behaviour in these settings. When I travel now, I get this strage enjoyment hearing a child who is not mine crying. I just sit there loving the fact that it isn’t my problem, while offering a sympathetic smile and asking their parent if there is anything at all I can do to help. How times change!
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Crying babies over extended hours = bad mother
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or colic, or ear pain, or anal fissure
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Made me chuckle!
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For god’s sake if your baby had an anal fissure, you’d be heading for the ER not Paris.
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Yeah, that’s exactly the point the author was hoping you’d made from the comment
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Bad fathers
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Mother? Parent, surely? (Not saying I agree with this comment, merely pointing out that there are often two parents travelling with a child).
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I know of a family with two kids under 3 that were flying to Paris and a young childless couple had something to say about sitting near them and demanded to be moved. The flight attendant said “Sure, no problem, but I’ll save you the hassel of moving, I’ll move them away- to first class”. Both kids slept and watched movies the whole way and no one even knew that they were there.
Let’s face it, other peoples children can be annoying anywhere but couple that with being squashed together for a hours on end with no escape and it can be a recipe for disaster! I must admit my heart drops when I get on a plane and I’m sitting near children and I have two of my own lol
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youre lying. i have heard the exact same urban legend except with a black man in place of a family. if you want to make a point at least be honest jeeeez
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Well, they enjoyed their first class flight. It happened to a close friend just last week as well. I guess when one half of the couple is a frequent traveller and has over a million Qantas points it does help you get an upgrade
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Well said.
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I recently flew overseas and sat near a family who felt it appropriate to put their child(no more than 3 years old) on the floor of the aisle to play with their toy cars while they popped their trays down and drank their beer.The child proceeded to crawl around and push his car under the seats of surrounding passengers. I’m sorry but what is that about? who feels that is acceptable behaviour? And when the flight attendant explained the child on the ground playing with their toys was a safety hazard the parents seemed quite perturbed.
I am completely understanding of the fact that parents want and need to travel with their children and think in 99% of cases the parents who try their best to keep their children well behaved and amused and/or pacified are well tolerated. It’s the parents who feel they deserve special treatment or that basic rules of social etiquette don’t apply to them because they have a baby that tend to cause other passengers to sigh and roll their eyes. And by that I mean, as gorgeous as you feel your child is,it is not appropriate to kick the seat in front of you repeatedly regardless of whether you are 4 or 40.
I find it insulting to insinuate that most people would truly be hostile towards a parent of a well behaved child. I think the vast majority of people are very tolerant of children on planes….and as for the few who aren’t, well let’s not generalise their attitude to being that of the masses the same way I won’t generalise that all parents allow their toddlers to jump on seats, run up and down aisles and scream during flights. I understand that most parents do everything in their power to make the flight as enjoyable experience as possible for both them, their child, and their fellow passengers.
I could be being overly harsh here …but if you are encountering widespread hostility towards your child on a plane it may be time to reevaluate what their behaviour is really like.
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Ah, another judgey whingy mummy post about how people don’t give mothers enough of a break. Yawn.
Look, if I’m on a flight and a baby is screaming, I’m annoyed at the situation, not the mother. Usually I’m thinking “God, this is annoying for me, but I’m so glad I’m not the mum!”. I put my ipod in and turn the William Tell Overture up loud.
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I will never forget flying with a wailing overtired 18 month old. A passenger offered us drugs (for the toddler). Thank heaven they are both past the toddler age.
And I don’t mind sitting near babies and toddlers at all, no dirty looks from me
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We’ve flown many times with our 3 and have fortunately had really good experiences. The only time we had comments was on a flight to Dubai ( 11 hrs ) and was before the plane took off. Our Kids were 3, 5 and 7 at the time. Getting settled in our seats a 20 something couple came on board and headed our way ending up across from us. The girl looks over at our 3 rolls her eyes and says ” I hope your going to medicate that lot, I don’t want to sit through 11 hrs of whining!!” I was speechless, but assured her that I would control them drug free and I also didn’t want to sit through a long flight with whingy kids. To her credit at the end of the flight she came up and apologised and complimented hubby and I on how great the kids were. I was fine with that, I guess she had only had bad experiences with kids on planes.
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Can’t believe someone said that to you.
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I would’ve told that I also wanted to sit through the flight without wining but that she’d already ruined that!
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I recently flew with my husband and ten month old to the USA and I was dreading it! In the end, my son was great, but I was uptight the whole way as when we got on, this horrendous girl across the aisle did that passive aggressive eye role thing (she had that down pat) and complained in an audible voice to the guy sitting next to her at how ‘lucky’ they were to be sitting next to two babies (there was another couple across the aisle). My baby and the other couple’s baby proceeded to go to sleep and she and the bloke proceeded to have a very long, very boring and very loud conversation for the next two hours… I know who was more annoying, my son or her!! Then, when as we landed, the baby across the aisle who had been perfect the whole flight cried as we started to descend. She then recommenced eye rolling and snide comments… it was the fact that she couldn’t give this couple and the little baby credit for being SO good for 13.5 hours that got to me! I guess what I am saying, and what the author is saying, is that so long as the parents are exterting control of their children, they are usually doing the best that they can and a little bit of understanding and a few less eye rolls would really be appreciated, afterall, we were all children once!
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Sometimes it feels like all the empathy is supposed to be directed toward the parent in any given situation. I am a parent and when I see parents get on a plane with kids I really feel for them – and truly admire other women who travel with kids. When next to me I can tune kids out with music or tv and can find peace in that chaos. But every now and then i just have a bad freakin day I feel more grumpy than usual. I get on a plane after working long hours away from family and I want to GO HOME. Mum with kids every now and then you have to be empathetic too. I am not judging you but you are awfully mouthy about everyone else.
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First flight with my kids aged eight and six, my six year old has ASD, someone suggested drugging him, but I had prepared him for what was going to happen and he loved it, take off and landing was spent looking out the window at what was happening, and he has been playing airports since we got home, the staff were wonderful to both kids and was a great all round experience, but I also had a bag full of tricks and treats to keep them happy!
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“I am not saying you have to tolerate out of control kids. As a parent, I try to keep Little Dude in his seat for his safety and everyone else’s. I teach him to be well-mannered and polite. Parents who don’t do that get no sympathy from me. I apologize when he misbehaves and I make him do the same. I understand that you want to travel in peace. So do I.”
Honestly, this to me is the crux of it. I have a bit of rep round these parts for being anti-kid. I’m actually not. What bugs me is the amount of people these days who indulge or don’t attempt to minimise bad behaviour. If I see you trying, you will have my sympathy and I will probably offer to help. If I see you beaming with pride over the cuteness of your kid’s tantrum, you will receive my loathing.
So in short, you try. That’s all most of us ask.
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One flight was with my then 12 month old. He was perfect. Didn’t make a sound the whole 13 hr flight. Scribbled with crayons, did some lego, ate, slept…
Same child 6 months later on a 90min flight. Would not sit still, cried, wriggled, screamed. Gave him a lollipop to suck (desperate) and he then used it to “paint” the shirt of the man next to me. Crisp, white business shirt & on his way to a meeting in Sydney. I could have cried I was mortified. The man was so kind and said with a smile “don’t worry about it, we’ll be there soon. It’s an ugly shirt anyway and could do with a bit of colour.”
An iphone app called “Flight hypnosis for children” would be useful.
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Aw, what a nice man. Honestly, if I saw you mortified I would try to be as kind. No point kicking someone while they’re down.
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“An iphone app called “Flight hypnosis for children” would be useful”
I find Play School or Peppa Pig on the iPad works well.
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Newsflash, children don’t cry for no reason.
If your baby/toddler cries, TEND TO THEM.
There’s no excuse for babies crying endlessly on flights.
And yes, I have 6 kids.
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Sometimes, there ain’t nothing you can do!
I flew long-haul with my then 14 month old and it was the 7 levels of hell.
My daughter is routine and awesome sleeper in her own bed, but on a plane, it was awful. She couldn’t sleep until she passed out exhausted after wailing for 15-30mins. It was horrendous. I was still breastfeeding her back then and I had my boob in her face so much, poor thing. Trying anything to calm her down. She’s always been very vocal when angry.
I was terrified of the trip back to Aus from the UK and sure enough, whilst it wasn’t quite so bad, it still ended in tears for both of us. The looks and comments from other passengers was disheartening. Nothing we tried to calm would work until she finally fell asleep from sheer exhaustion.
Fast forward a couple of years when I travelled long haul again with her as a 3.5yo and my 6mth old…. No problemo! She was old enough to watch TV and go into a cartoon coma. And my son is just a way more chilled out little dude and happily fell asleep in my arms, perhaps after a 2-5min whinge (not a full-tilt wail). We also learned that with very young kids, it’s best to stop over and sleep in a hotel along the way to top up everybody’s sleep, rather than just push through.
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Cartoon Coma – haha!
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are you joking? I have (unfortunately) travelled around the world many times over with my three. Yes, they generally don’t cry for no reason, but sometimes the reason is something you cannot do anything about – 2 year old suffering from extreme overtiredness due to a flight running five hours late, having to wake a sleeping baby due to turbulance, having to wake three very tired children to put their seatbelts on for landing, having to deal with a 2 year old who doesn’t understand why they have to turn off their music when you’re landing. Landing then taking an hour and a half. 18 month old spilling orange juice all over older sister. Sick child. Child with sudden earache. Dealing with a wet nappy situation with toddler while baby also wants attention and partner is in loo with oldest child. All of these things are beyond your control and no matter your level of planning, are all liable to lead to a child or baby crying.
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Agree, to an extent. But I think the loud noises and cramped environment of a plane can be really scary to some kids. Not to mention ear pressure. Can’t remedy that until they are off the plane.
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My then 4 year old about to sit down, last on board on a long connecting flight.
“Don’t worry Mummy! I won’t throw up this time!”
I wish I had a camera to capture the expressions on everyone’s faces…
(he slept the whole way)
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I think most reasonable people, and I put myself in this category, are loath to be on a plane with a screaming baby. It’s up there with nails on chalkboards left on repeat, but as a reasonable adult you grit your teeth and bear it because you understand taking off and landing are very unpleasant on small babies and their delicate sinuses and they don’t understand why they’re in pain. I’m also quite sure most parents with screaming babies wished their babies weren’t screaming as much as I do, possibly even more. You won’t get eye rolling from me if your baby is screaming, just stoic forbearance and perhaps a sympathetic smile if I catch your eye.
I’ve listened into some hilarious conversations between toddlers and preschoolers on planes, which have been quite delightful. I start feeling less benevolent, however, when small children repeatedly kick the back of the seat…
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You can definetly prepare for flying with children. I recently flew a return trip in business class from Melbourne to Brisbane with a 15 month old on my lap.
I made sure she had a belly full of porridge before each trip. Let her suck on a lollypop during take off and landing. I had several activities for her to do including snap-lock bags full of playdough, crayons & paper, small toys, snacks etc.
She didn’t disturb anyone, much to the relief of the guy sitting next to us on the first trip who turned a deathly shade of grey when he realised I was sitting next to him.
Parents who fly unprepared with children are irresponsible.
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Yes, but long haul is another kettle of fish. Even the most organised, responsible, prepared people can come undone on two flights of 12 or so hours. Cattle class.
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Oh yeah, sorry, 1-3hrs on a plane, pfft! Easy as.
Long haul… hell. And we were super organised… hell, hell, hell.
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Yep – anything less than 10 hours is easy as pie to us these days. 12 hours+ – preparation helps but the plans can come undone so easily….
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Wow Ellie you just really pushed my buttons! I am impeding on other peoples luxury time by plane travel and dare to take my child? Sorry forgot to read the fine print that mentioned that you can never travel again on a plane until your child reaches 18. We recently traveled to Europe with our 4 year old, he was an angel, slept for nearly all of it, used his headset with the iPad not to disturb anyone. People commented how fantastic and well behaved he was, he was certainly better behaved with better manners than some adult plane travelers I have dealt with. Plane travel also to me is a means to get to our destinations, not a luxury. Maybe your idea of luxury is commensurate to your current lifestyle, if you find that exciting, try some true luxury experiences, my son knows the difference and he is only 4. Might open that judgmental mind of yours while your at it, guess your children will never see the world, how sad.
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How about this: it is ok to be pissed off about crying and annoying kids on planes. It is ok to wish you had a quiet and relaxing trip. It is ok to feel annoyed about paying lots of money and having to deal with a kid. And it is ok not to want to wear headphones for hours.
These feelings are all perfectly valid. BUT you can have these feelings and still be understanding and compassionate. Not many parents actively want their child to be a pain on the plane or don’t try to sort the situation out. Feel annoyed, just keep it to yourself.
I feel for parents on planes with kids, but as you ask for understanding also understand my right to be annoyed. I don’t understand the comments from parents trying to invalidate those feelings of annoyance. It is fair enough to be annoyed. Why should I pretend to be a-ok with a screaming kid in a small space? What I won’t do is show it. I understand you can’t help it. But don’t try and tell me not to feel it.
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Guest this is a great comment. There is no point invalidating people’s feelings. People feel how they feel. I have yet to see a passenger march up to a mother and tell her off about her child. Most people will keep their feelings to themselves and not say anything. I also agree with Ellie that plane travel is a first world luxury. This is a fact. Very few members of my family back home have flown internationally and this could be said for a vast majority of the world’s population. And Sarah, most kids of a certain age like yours are probably fine to travel. But there are some kids/babies who find plane travel distressing, and parents may want to hold off on vacations involving long international flights (24 hours or more) until they can better cope.
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I wish I’d read your comment before commenting myself – my sentiments exactly, or though not as well expressed.
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Agreed, Guest.
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It is my opinion. If you find it so offensive then report the comment. It is that simple.
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